🧠｜serious-chat

[flat wigeon]

Which is false

[lavish finch]

You didn't correct me. You said what I'm saying is irrelevant.

[flat wigeon]

False

[lavish finch]

No, now you're going backwards.

We already settled that.

[flat wigeon]

Okay

Then now I don’t have a goal

But it used to be my goal

[lavish finch]

Anyone is going to create problems for themselves by correcting people in this manner.

[flat wigeon]

I don’t experience problems lol

[lavish finch]

I don't believe you

[flat wigeon]

Well then we have reached an impasse

[lavish finch]

This is where the personal and the topical distinction becomes relevant.

I'm talking about the topic of creating problems for oneself by correcting, competing, not having a clear goal, etc.

Alex is taking what I'm saying just personally, unable to see the topic.

And also unable to lead a different topic, without a goal.

[flat wigeon]

I am not participating in the topic at the moment

Thus it’s impossible to experience problems related to it

[lavish finch]

Saying you're "not participating" over and over is true, and is also a kind of noise.

[flat wigeon]

Noise is relative

That’s why it is abstract 😂

[lavish finch]

This is the serious chat.

[flat wigeon]

I am very serious

[lavish finch]

Glad to know it.

I

have

[flat wigeon]

?

[lavish finch]

noticed

.

I have noticed that you react to my comments.

[static pivot]

...

[lavish finch]

Vivek

[static pivot]

(Marking my presence)

[lavish finch]

Always a pleasure

[flat wigeon]

Isn’t that needed for a discussion what are you on about

[static pivot]

I noticed few of hairs started to be white, today is a sad day.

[lavish finch]

Time waits for no man.

[lavish finch]

Dont' get me wrong. I love your attention.

[flat wigeon]

Good

[lavish finch]

But I'm not here primarily to get attention. I'm here to be useful to the group, to members like you.

Am I being useful to you?

[flat wigeon]

Hmm

I suppose you’re taking care of my boredom

[lavish finch]

It might help you in answering my question to say, if you know, what your goal is for being here.

Boredom is a disconnection from oneself.

[flat wigeon]

Could you elaborate on that

[lavish finch]

When we're connected to our feelings, we're never bored.

When we're connected to our feelings, it also becomes easier to determine our goals.

So I'm assuming that by talking to me you're getting more connected to your feelings and goals, which I would consider useful.

If you're not bored, what are you?

[flat wigeon]

Hmm

[lavish finch]

Take your time.

Comprehension is knowing something analytically. Apprehension is knowing something intuitively.

I'm asking you to shift from one to the other.

The ability to do so can change a person's life.

And the inability to do so can destroy a person's life.

(leaving)

[hazy tinsel]

You make some very interesting points, but I disagree on that. I think that's actually quite far.

[lavish finch]

What do you think boredom is?

Much of philosophy is building definitions.

Building good operational definitions is a skill.

It’s fine to disagree. It’s also fine to disagree without an alternative.

But until someone provides an alternative, no matter how bad the first proposal, it’s going to win.

Disagreement is not just personal. We all have the potential to interpret things differently.

I’m encouraging you to orient to the topic as well as the experience of having a personal opinion.

In reference to the SAVI grid I posted, that would mean shifting from the left column to one of the two columns on the right.

Would anyone like to try that?

In other words, what might boredom be if it’s not disconnection from oneself?

Even if it’s not your personal opinion, what could be a hypothetical opinion about boredom?

How about, boredom is a feeling!

I don’t believe that. But it’s certainly possible to believe that.

And I’m able to see it because I’m not taking my opinion just personally.

It’s just a matter of fact.

The definitions of words are not at all written in stone.

We all have some ability to interpret their meaning. Sometimes varying greatly.

Even for some of the most common place words.

Once you begin to seriously interrogate the definitions of words you discover puzzles all over the place.

It is still very much a mystery of modern science and language that despite all of these puzzles the average person is able to understand what we’re talking about when we speak.

So don’t be surprised when people disagree about the definition of boredom. Or the definition of accent. Or the definition of a chair.

That’s not a problem exclusive to second language learners. That’s everyone’s problem.

Is anyone following what I’m saying?

(leaving)

[static pivot]

...

[lavish finch]

Vivek is competing with me in exercising my superpower of remaining silent.

[hazy tinsel]

Yeah sorry, I should have provided an alternative with my disagreement that's the right way to do it.
But I'm just too busy to start such long philosophical & scientific conversation.. Maybe in 5 days

[lavish finch]

Five days. That gives me five days to elaborate on my own definition. Which I’m happy to do.

As I said, boredom is disconnection from oneself.

In that case it would be useful to say what I mean by oneself.

I propose that we have a true self and a false self.

Boredom therefore is identifying with our false self rather than our true self.

We create a false self as a survival mechanism.

In an attempt to comply with outside pressure and expectations.

In order to make this false self believable and convincing to others we internalize it so deeply that we cannot distinguish it from our true self.

In other words, in order to effectively lie to others we first lie to ourselves.

Unfortunately this strategy creates more problems than it solves.

And we continue to identify with our false self past the point of it being useful.

Boredom is a passive orientation to the world. An expectation that the world will entertain us and engage us rather than that we will find what is interwsting and engage the world.

it’s a kind of role

a survivor role

A set of behaviors that served us in the past - enabled us to survive - but no longer serves us in the present.

There are countless examples of these false selves.

[arctic hound]

Anyone 🤙 call me. We can to discuss interesting topics like politics,language, culture exchange

Or write to me

[lavish finch]

No, this is not a bulletin board for arranging private conversations.

Please participate in the group.

[junior dune]

Hey James, this is serious chat, dont goof around

[thorny steeple]

Loved this place!

[lavish finch]

Hello Bruh, Welcome Angeline.

[thorny steeple]

And they all kept archived in our brain, that's crazy!

Hello, Mr. Green!

[lavish finch]

Yes, they are archived in the brain. Probably since childhood all throughout our lives.

[thorny steeple]

Our entire history, actually! I forgot the name for it, the reptilial brain I guess!

It's amazing because it proves the existence of some kind of metaphysical "cloud" where all of this kept archived for the humanity. Collectively thinking, of course.

[lavish finch]

The reptillian brain is different. The brain is categorized into three parts. The brainstem (so called reptilian, the oldest), the limbic (common with all mammals) and the neo-cortex (neo, meaning new. the most recent evolutionary step and unique to humans)

[full river]

(following)

[lavish finch]

I'm not making any proposals as to which of these three parts the survivor role memories exist.

I'm talking about human psychology and a human identity. But no doubt other species also have psychological survival mechanisms and even a sense of self.

All life, down to single cell organisms have mechanisms for survival.

In all our cells we have thousands of mitochondria, with distinct non-human DNA that date back 1.5 billion years.

[thorny steeple]

Yesss! This is amazinggg! 🥰

It makes me think that everytime I say "me" I'm actually refearing for alot of "mes" inside of me. 😹 Ok, this wasn't a brainy sentence, but this is how I feel.

We are all part of everything, right. Like a couple of beings are part of us.

[lavish finch]

Yes, we do have many selves.

You can have the part of you that enjoys studying and the part of you that hates studying. And so on.

[thorny steeple]

Makes sense, and it manifests depending on the context.

[lavish finch]

Depending on the context and depending on which part you give authority to.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, this too! And this also makes me think that there is a third party then making this concessions of authority. 🤔

[lavish finch]

We are constantly making ourselves through our decisions.

Yes, that's right.

[full river]

(A part of me that enjoys being here, and another part that says I should be with my guests 🙃 )

[lavish finch]

There is a part of us that observes all the parts of ourselves.

It's the source of our common sense.

I call that the self-observing system.

As we activate it, we are able to integrate the different parts of ourselves together for a common goal.

[thorny steeple]

Me, when I spend alot of time on Discord. 😹

[thorny steeple]

Conscience? Our conscience could be or is collective at some point?!

Or maybe are two types. 🤔 But this is me wondering.

[lavish finch]

conscience? an inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior?

or do you mean consciousness. the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.

If you mean conscience, I think common sense is a more appropriate term than conscience. Conscience implies decisions of morality. But common sense includes both morality as well as simply matters of fact.

I think of common sense as a partnership between our analytic-thinking mind and our intuitive-feeling self.

[thorny steeple]

I never thought of these words as different. Thanks for correcting me!!

[lavish finch]

Yes, conscience and consciousness are different words, but easy to understand mixing them up or thinking they are the same.

[stiff storm]

Hello gentlemen

And ladies

[vocal bear]

Hello bud how is it going

[urban aspen]

[lavish finch]

"Hello..." "How's it going?"
Box 2, social rituals

ritual; (of an action) arising from convention or habit.

"a sequence of activities involving gestures, words, actions, or revered objects. Rituals may be prescribed by the traditions of a community, including a religious community. Rituals are characterized, but not defined, by formalism, traditionalism, invariance, rule-governance, sacral symbolism, and performance." (wikipedia)

Falling under the category of "Obscuring" or hiding, what do you imagine such rituals may hide?

[thorny steeple]

OMG, I think I have something wrong with myself because I didn't understand the question.

[elfin fractal]

@thorny steeple me too 😜😁😁

@vocal bear hello, i am good, if you

[steep cosmos]

[lavish finch]

Angelline. I didn’t recognize you for a moment. You left and have returned. Welcome back.

There’s nothing wrong with you.

It’s a hard question.

[thorny steeple]

Ohh! Thanks prof!

[lavish finch]

Would you like to think it through with me.

What social rituals do we use.

What social rituals do we use language to perform.

[long sphinx]

chat?

[lavish finch]

Chat?

Please

Please feel free.

[long sphinx]

i wanna learn english

i was a FRESHman

[lavish finch]

Try #🫂｜beginner-chat

[long sphinx]

ok

[lavish finch]

“native”

You seem to have taken the incorrect role.

[long sphinx]

wait

Sorry，I didn't pay attention to that when I filled out my personal information
@lavish finch

[ashen comet]

Hi mr.

[worldly radish]

Good Morning

[bold sun]

Gn

[urban aspen]

ge

[ivory vale]

I imagine that the ritual to say "hi, how's it going, good night" may hide a desire to be a well liked member of a group.

[urban aspen]

cant imagine

[ivory vale]

Hi The_sup3rdj

[urban aspen]

hlo

wassupp

[ivory vale]

I'm interested in the question James has asked

[lavish finch]

"using ritual to hide what I feel" in a midjourney prompt;

[ivory vale]

This is pretty

When I enter a chat, I often feel ambigous about saying "hi" or "how are you".

On the one hand I am annoyed by everyone just saying those words and not anything else.

and by the expectation that I say hi before I start talking about what I want to say.

on the other hand, I feel outcast and impolite if I don't use those words.

I feel shame.

[lavish finch]

Shame is the barrier between our false self and our true self.

A curtain which hides the unknown parts of ourself.

Unknown, because we have split them off.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting fact about shame!

I'm sad because I saw today's class was about it and I couldn't catch it from the beginning, lol! Seems interesting!

[lavish finch]

Don't worry. I'd like to continue the discussion of shame here.

[thorny steeple]

I think I'm having therapy here, lol! In my language, it's common to misconcept the meanings of shame and shy, for example. They definitelly not the same thing, but somehow I was thinking shame as the feeling of shy. 🤔 Somewhat they feel closer.

I think it can be somehow like a spectrum of the same feeling.

Oh, I got it, like shy is like a personality trait. Shame is a feeling.

[lavish finch]

I'm not a therapist, and for many reasons this is not therapy. But developing a better understanding of psychology can definitely be therapeutic.

Shame is the distress we feel upon discovering that we are banishing a part of ourselves.

It might start from the outside, from people telling us we are bad or unacceptable for some reason.

Then we internalize that belief and do it to ourselves.

[river stream]

shame is like the opposite of honor

(to simplify it)

[thorny steeple]

That's what I meant, when we understand ourselves better it can be therapeutic!

[lavish finch]

While honor is usually held up as a positive experience, I’d like to suggest that it’s the other side of the same coin with regards to our false and true self.

Something we begin doing for the approval of others.

Which we eventually internalize.

That’s why for example in a culture like Japan, someone who loses honor may kill themselves in extreme cases.

I’m thinking for example of a high school principle who committed suicide when one of their students was accidentally killed.

[thorny steeple]

I think we need balance in making things for approval of others. If we fear this too much, we don't do anything and humanity never evolves. If we do it too much, we become "non sense", depending on what. 😂

Facts is there sometimes we need approval, but we can't rely all the time on this, otherwise we can lack authenticity. At least speaking in a general way.

It's like Taoism says: the path of balance, the middle way.

[civic reef]

there was even one samurai warrior who propagated this idea very widely, Miyamoto Musashi, in his work called "Dokkodo" (which translates to "path of loneliness"), it was a set of rules for a warrior who wants to succeed in his art and master it, and the idea was precisely "You may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honor"

and it all sounds very beautiful and so deep, poignant, but the history has proved that idea to be pretty extreme, maybe too extreme for human beings to handle, if we consider what happened during events from 1939-1945 in japan due to that principle, and maybe not only on japanese soil, how that idea was spread from japanese soil to korean, and also chinese one, and how the "warriors" who belived in the honor were actually shameless and absolutely pathetic due to their very, very questionable actions...

at one point there is no coming back i think, if the whole crowd of people believes in "honor" to that extent, then they would rather lose their lives than admit they were wrong and they did wrong the whole time, losing honor in that case is way worse than losing life

[civic reef]

the frightening part is how it all has not been solved, the people who committed absolutely terrifying crimes were in a huge part unpunished, and the representatives still keep on refusing facts of what has been done, just to not lose their credibility and not lose the honor of the whole nation (even if the ordinary people can acknowledge the mistake and can apologize, losing their own honor)

[thorny steeple]

well, what are you guys discussing about? May I help, I'm a native.

I'd like to join too.

[thorny steeple]

Just follow the chat and contribute. 🥰

[prisma cipher]

They do ugly things

[civic reef]

yeah i dont mean the modern political stuff that much cuz thats not a politics server, i meant the history of what happened, especially how japanese army created... well, i mean, i feel like this area that ive entered is just full of landmines of controversy on every step, just the general behaviour and what happened is a hideous show of what honor can lead people to do

[sharp zinc]

this is something serious

1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1

[thorny steeple]

That's cool! I think the color suits his style! 🥰

Hey, this car is the one from the movie Gone In 60 Seconds?
The Eleanor? Looks so similar! 😹

[lavish finch]

...

[thorny steeple]

😹 Ikr! It was supposed to be serious chat! But I like this movie!

[lavish finch]

I'm keeping an open mind

I don't know what's serious about it

[thorny steeple]

I remind watching this with my sister when I was 8yo!
Things that are remarkable for Heart reasons. 🥰

I think he was joking and I took it serious. 😹

[lavish finch]

I don't know the movie

I also guessed he was joking

And I accept that it's possible to joke and be serious at the same time

[thorny steeple]

Yes! Haha!

[lavish finch]

serious humor is the best humor

one kind of serious humor is called "dead-pan"

[thorny steeple]

I saw a video those last weeks that a psychanalist told that deep inside of some jokes are actually the real truth without the heavy weight it can carry from the person.

[lavish finch]

Bill Murray is the master of dead-pan humor

[thorny steeple]

I truly believe in this!

[lavish finch]

The Royal Tenenbaums

He plays a psychologist doing experiments on his son.

absolutely hilarious

Married to a beautiful woman who he doesn't know at all and who has no interest in him.

Simultaneously tragic and hilarious.

Every character maintains the utmost serious countenance throughout the film.

Yes

...

you deleted your comment

but yes

humor makes it possible to deliver some messages that are otherwise to difficult to hear

[thorny steeple]

WHAT like most men actually

I deleted? No!

[thorny steeple]

Here's my comment!

[lavish finch]

oh...

[thorny steeple]

I never watched this movie as well!

[lavish finch]

That's odd. That message moved in the order...

[thorny steeple]

Do you have a bachelor in phylosophy or humanities or something?

[lavish finch]

Mark Twain, the famous American author, was both a humorist and a very serious observer of American society.

[thorny steeple]

Can we say bachelor or the correct is degree?

Oh, cool!

[lavish finch]

He said "The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter."

[thorny steeple]

It makes sense! Haha!

[lavish finch]

I have the honor of being kicked out of graduate school for being impolite to students.

[thorny steeple]

YOU? What? 😹

[lavish finch]

Basically, for telling them they were wrong.

[thorny steeple]

Tell the story! LOl

[lavish finch]

I told my students they were wrong. They complained and I was removed.

Now I teach in the back alleys. 😁

[thorny steeple]

Wrong about what?

[lavish finch]

About language

Back to Mark Twain

He is the author that gave Americans their own voice.

Who taught us not to see ourselves as inferior to the British.

You're from Brazil, right?

I imagine Brazil went through a similar process of cultural identify crisis separating from the Portuguese.

[lavish finch]

Why is this?

[static pivot]

...

[thorny steeple]

Nvm! Stupid random comment. Because I see alot of men interested in me because in their perspectives I'm beautiful but they do know absolutelly nothing about me. So I made a bad assumption, lol! Let's switch the subject. 😹

[lavish finch]

Slow down

No need to put yourself down

Seems to me like a reasonable comment

[thorny steeple]

Did I? 🤔

[lavish finch]

Calling your own comment stupid and a bad assumption? Yes

[thorny steeple]

Because I generalized. 😹

But it's what I see the most.

[lavish finch]

Yeah, give it a chance.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I see it now. I never cared too much about this tbh.

[lavish finch]

(I'm smiling at you, Vivek)

(And you, Angelline)

[thorny steeple]

I'm unsure if I like my own culture, I like some public ffigures, but the culture itselt, the main cultural stuff are not good oriented. It's like keeping everyone poor, sad and drinking like crazy. And of course, making kids to have cheap hard workers. 😹 But they will not it at the sunlight, right?! They manipulate through other things like music and stuff. For the lazyness of human nature... "let's go with the flow" is what mostly everyone don't even think, but does.

I am highly critical, I feel bad thinking like this, but this is what I see and I dislike it. 😣

[lavish finch]

All the intelligent people I can think of have been highly critical of their own cultures.

[thorny steeple]

I am sad, because we have alot of beautiful things like Nature, food and stuff. But the wrost robbery is that one you collaborate with! 😣 It's like they're taking your soul out of your body and you're enjoying it without even think.

[lavish finch]

It's not just personal. The world faces many crises.

[thorny steeple]

I think our language is also super beautiful. It's fancy and complicated. 😹 I remember when I was learning this, amazing feeling.

[static pivot]

[lavish finch]

(I'm standing next to Vivek)

[thorny steeple]

Lurking me bashing my own culture.

[static pivot]

Pt?

[thorny steeple]

Yes!

Brazilian portuguese, more specifically. It's different from Portugal. We can comprehend each other, but the accent and some words are different.

[lavish finch]

Each moment in human history has been unique and contained both beautiful and ugly things.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, but if you're different, you kind of feel like you're alien, LOL

[lavish finch]

Yes

[royal stratus]

Thoughts on FNAF?

[static pivot]

Wdym by different?

[royal stratus]

Different, the way you act, you are, you think, you feel, etc.

[lavish finch]

Alienation

the state or experience of being isolated from a group or an activity to which one should belong or in which one should be involved.

[static pivot]

Whats that?

[thorny steeple]

João defined well!

[lavish finch]

Last week I mentioned the novel The Metamorphosis. By Kafka. About a man who wakes up one morning to discover that he is very different. He has become a giant beetle.

[royal stratus]

It’s not necessarily bad. If a moose goes south instead of north, like all the other mooses, it doesn’t necessarily mean he has a lesser chance of surviving, maybe over north there are more pastures, or more potential mates with less competition.

[thorny steeple]

I read that, lol!

[royal stratus]

I don’t know the plural of Moose.

[lavish finch]

It's moose

same as singular

[royal stratus]

I see.

[royal stratus]

Five Nights At Freddy’s.

[thorny steeple]

I read The Metamorphosis in 2008. 🤔 15 years ago, omg.

[lavish finch]

Gregor, the main character of The Metamorphosis, is just too different. He cannot fit in. He will never fit in.

[royal stratus]

I read it recently, a few months ago I think.

[lavish finch]

The theme is alienation

[royal stratus]

He did fit in, he just turned into a giant cockroach.

[thorny steeple]

😹

I better choose a butterfly or something, LOL!

[lavish finch]

well

His sister is

[thorny steeple]

Sad thing is they have a short life.

[lavish finch]

at the end of the novel she changes from a young woman to a beautiful woman

she fits in

[thorny steeple]

But she dies quickly.

[royal stratus]

Even like that, he still tried to fit in.

[thorny steeple]

Almost a metaphor for the end of the soul. LOL

[lavish finch]

he tried, but cannot

[thorny steeple]

What animal would you be if you were one?

[lavish finch]

he is forgotten. he dies. and no one cares. the family is relieved he is dead.

[royal stratus]

Nah. His parents and his sister were heartless, but it really makes you wonder what you would do if you were in that situation.

[lavish finch]

How nah?

[lavish finch]

What would I be? Who wouldn't be the beautiful butterfly, if they had a choice?

[lavish finch]

Yes, what would you do?

[royal stratus]

Gregor was a really good guy, he retired his parents, he endured a almost dead end job with a crappy boss, and loved and cared for all his family members.

[lavish finch]

He was "good". He didn't complain a wit. He was the "victim" and he did his utmost to make things easier for his family, who didn't return the favor.

[royal stratus]

I don’t actually know.

Sure.

[thorny steeple]

Any animal, not exactly related to the book.

[lavish finch]

Human

I would be human

[thorny steeple]

But you already are! 😹

[lavish finch]

I know

[thorny steeple]

👀

I guess! 😹

[lavish finch]

What can I say. I love my neo-cortex.

[thorny steeple]

I love my spirit, lol!

[lavish finch]

I love your spirit too.

Do you know what the word spirit means originally?

breath

[thorny steeple]

Probably different than the one you will explain next! 😹

[lavish finch]

(smile)

life

the animating principle

[thorny steeple]

That's cute!

[lavish finch]

that which brings you to life

(looks around for Vivek)

[thorny steeple]

He's gone, he doesn't likes Franz Kafka and me talking about portuguese. 😹

[lavish finch]

He and Joao have gone away to contemplate what they would do if they woke up as giant beetles tomorrow.

[thorny steeple]

I gtg! Gonna finish a soundtrack now! 🥰

Thanks for the fun chat and reading me ranting! 😹

I hate when I do this.

[lavish finch]

Bye, Angelline

It's my pleasure

[ornate siren]

Hello

[fair crystal]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Where are my brainy cyberfriends?!

[ornate siren]

Wdym

[full river]

I liked the conversation about humor. It is much easier to accept the truth when it is said in a humorous manner, with a friendly smile.

[lavish finch]

If you have to ask…

(Can anyone finish my sentence?)

[ornate siren]

@lavish finch Sorry, but I couldn't understand you

[lavish finch]

Let me walk you through it.

[ornate siren]

Yes, please do. @lavish finch

[lavish finch]

Before I do, are you sure you don't want to give it a try?

[ornate siren]

Give what @lavish finch a try?

[lavish finch]

Come up with an appropriate end to my hanging question.

[ornate siren]

@lavish finch Of course, of course. I think it'll be "...please do so a little more precisely and in an expressive manner."

[lavish finch]

Great, thanks for trying.

And for giving us all an opportunity to learn something.

[ornate siren]

So, @lavish finch I take it that this was actually an instruction?

[lavish finch]

No

Not quite

More like an invitation

[ornate siren]

I don't think I offered so great an opportunity. But anyway, glad to hear it.

[lavish finch]

Hold on, I'm just getting warmed up.

[ornate siren]

I'm ready, sir

[lavish finch]

Don't take what I'm about to say just personally.

[ornate siren]

Of course not.

[lavish finch]

Your answer is grammatically correct. And there are an infinite number of way to complete the sentence.

But what your answer misses is an understanding of the context.

It's out of tune.

[ornate siren]

It does.

[lavish finch]

"If you have to ask..." is usually said of something which is obvious to everyone but the person to whom the remark is directed.

As in... "If you have to ask...then it's not you."

or
"If you have to ask how much it costs...then you can't afford it."

[ornate siren]

In my opinion, one needs to analyse a conversation rigorously to understand the context on the basis of which the speakers are conversing.

They need to have a complete understanding of it.

[lavish finch]

or
"If you have to ask if you're very smart...then you're probably not."

[ornate siren]

Yes, I agree.

[lavish finch]

It's a kind of joke.

Angelline asked "Where are all my smart online friends"
You replied "What do you mean"
I joked "If you have to ask what she means...then you're not one of her smart friends."

[ornate siren]

There's the context.

[lavish finch]

Humor requires apprehensive knowledge

intuition

[ornate siren]

Yes, it does, but not always

[full river]

(here, reading)

[lavish finch]

Do you notice that you "Yes, but..." me?

box 3 competing, yes-but

"Yes it does, but..."

[ornate siren]

Not when a guy like me ventures to sincerely ask another person if she had purposefully or out of grief insinuated at the passivity or triteness of the conversation I was then having with yet another person.

[ornate siren]

It all depends on context.

[ornate siren]

And sorry, I didn't mean to compete with you. It was just a polite objection that you can still dismiss.

[lavish finch]

That doesn't sound very funny to me.

[ornate siren]

I don't find it funny too.

[lavish finch]

Nocturnal

[ornate siren]

Yes?

[lavish finch]

Would you allow me to complete my point about apprehensive knowledge?

Before disagreeing

[ornate siren]

Yes sir, you can go on

I anyway have to take a bath now

[lavish finch]

That's different

You're leaving

[ornate siren]

It's just that I couldn't understand that you were about to start a serious discourse

I took it casually, my fault

[lavish finch]

Oh, well, this is the #🧠｜serious-chat

[ornate siren]

I imagined you would say that

[lavish finch]

Now THAT would be apprehensive knowledge!

[ornate siren]

But last time I entered the channel, I did not find serious talk

[ornate siren]

I'll take it as a compliment. If it is, thanks.

Your Kafkaesque conversation attracted me

[lavish finch]

Feel free to take your bath. But I hope you'll return, as I think what I'm about to say about the difference between analytical knowledge and intuitive knowledge may interest you.

[ornate siren]

Yes

[ornate siren]

Such things never fail to interest me

[lavish finch]

Comprehensive knowledge or analytical knowledge is our thinking. Apprehensive or intuitive knowledge is our feelings. Common sense is the combination of the two.

Take the character of Data from the tv show Star Trek: The Next Generation. He's the extremely intelligent android who is always asking the human crew to explain ordinary, everyday things. He can explain the most complex scientific theories, but cannot understand a simple joke. He lacks apprehensive knowledge, feelings, and common sense.

[ornate siren]

Please to inform me when you have finished, sir

[lavish finch]

I will

I'm done, Noctural.

[ornate siren]

okay

[lavish finch]

(Thanks for letting us know. Would you also let us know when you leave, too?)

[full river]

(sure)

(leaving for now 🙃 )

[lavish finch]

Nocturnal, are you about to say something?

[ornate siren]

I am now

Some minor problems occurred

No, let it be

You told me not to take anything personally, so I'll not bring up anything of that level.

Apart from that @lavish finch I agree with every punctilio of your statement.

[lavish finch]

(I actually said not to take it JUST personally. It is personal. It's also more.)

[ornate siren]

Yes, it appertains to every aspect of the human nature, I agree.

Since common sense is required everywhere.

[ornate siren]

I think if I bring up an example regarding myself, and then object to you with that, I would be breaching the staidness and making my house in the red boxes which I don't want to do. @lavish finch

[ornate siren]

And so, what was the reason behind this question? What made you ask thus?

[sharp zinc]

Epistemological

[gray spruce]

An epistemological endeavor...

[static pivot]

Hello nagriz

[gray spruce]

yoo vivek hello there

[full river]

Were you also going through the messages?

[lavish finch]

Hello Nargiz, Buzz, Vivek, STARS, Noctural, StillTyping and Angelline.

Epistemology is one of the main branches of philosophy, concerned with questions about knowledge.

How we distinguish fact from opinion.

[thorny steeple]

I was checking if some of the people I like to chat were online at that time. 🙂

[ornate siren]

Of course. The main interests of mine that I take in philosophy are regarding semantics, realism, universals, causality and logic. Epistemology also can feature in that list.

[sharp zinc]

when I mentioned: Epistemological.. was when I read this:

[sharp zinc]

here

and.. also was thinking movie: The Matrix as well.. same applies there

[ornate siren]

Yeah

[sharp zinc]

hmm.. that terminology will be applied later on... bear with me

accidentally I came across this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dAWuwRT7_PA

[thorny steeple]

This dude books are amazing!

Life changing for real.

[sharp zinc]

and I was wondering: what Robert Toru Kiyosaki is talking about? so I had to look into it more

and so.. again.. I came across another "but" longer vid.. so I'm gonna ask u to watch from where I copy exact time, up the the minute: 31:35
"u will watch less than 3 minutes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDheNy_Swbk&t=1745s

so, I got the answer for: rich people study different things!

[sharp zinc]

applied!

[thorny steeple]

Liked your bio, Stars. I agree!

Now keep typing, lol!

[sharp zinc]

now.. if you take the red pill and not the blue one "within The Matrix conception" and once u start that video where I asked u to begin watching it " 😅 " and you hear him saying:

"the fed as we know is the third central bank is not us it is not federal it has no reserves there's nothing it is a cartel owned by the Rothschilds"

u might notice as I did "or haven't I" that the title of that video up there is lacking more to be added into it..!
it should be called: DEBT AND TAXES MAKE YOU RICHER... in the right corrupted system!

that's a case for Sherlock Holmes that I would call it: The Eligible Manipulator. 😅

[charred trail]

Hi 👋 everyone

[thorny steeple]

Hii

[charred trail]

Hi 👋 how are you?

[thorny steeple]

Sleepy today and you?

[charred trail]

Fine

@thorny steeple my name is Okbi what about you?

[thorny steeple]

Angelline! What a different name you have.

[ornate siren]

@thorny steeple Hello.

[ornate sorrel]

Hello ppl

[charred trail]

I don't understand

@thorny steeple I am 23 years old what about you?

[charred trail]

Hello

[ornate sorrel]

I speak English well 👍... Just came here to increase my vocabulary.

[thorny steeple]

Heyy Nocturnal! How are you?

I think we're having a general conversation here and someone will scold us soon because it's serious-chat place. 😂

[ornate siren]

Then you can DM me @thorny steeple if you want

[static pivot]

Hello there

[severe crow]

Are you dev? Why are u mentioning 404 error?

[severe crow]

Hi, @static pivot

[lavish finch]

Hello

[civic reef]

hello!

[lavish finch]

Stars, I wonder if you would elaborate on the eligible manipulator.

Some thing about the mystery of the US federal reserve?

And government corruption

The matrix and the metaphor of the red pill or blue pill.

One pill awakens you to reality harsh though it may be.

Another pill allows you to continue in blissful ignorance.

[civic reef]

"eligible" sounds like... permitted to do something, so what is the manipulator eligible for? for manipulating other people, like they're qualified enough just for that, that's why they are "eligible"? pretty odd

[lavish finch]

I do appreciate the metaphor that knowledge of reality is a choice.

Eligible manipulator is STARZ term so perhaps he can fill us in.

Personally I will take harsh reality over blissful a irreality.

[full river]

following

[full river]

They study how money works.

I heard about using loans to avoid taxes a couple of days ago from my son. He rushed to me excited, saying " Mom, do you know how much debt R. Kiyosaki has?" 😄

Something new for me. I used to hear about rich people sheltering their assets in tax heavens before.

[lavish finch]

20 ritual English expressions;

1. "Bless you" - Said when someone sneezes.
2. "Cheers" - Used as a toast before drinking.
3. "Happy Birthday" - Said to someone on their birthday.
4. "Good luck" - Said to wish someone success.
5. "Safe travels" - Said to wish someone a safe journey.
6. "Congratulations" - Said to express praise for an achievement.
7. "My condolences" - Said to express sympathy after a death.
8. "Best wishes" - Said to express hope for someone's future happiness or welfare.
9. "Get well soon" - Said to wish someone a swift recovery from illness.
10. "Merry Christmas" - Said to celebrate Christmas.
11. "Happy New Year" - Said to celebrate the New Year.
12. "Good morning/afternoon/evening" - Greetings used at different times of the day.
13. "Sweet dreams" - Said to wish someone a good night's sleep.
14. "Bon appétit" - Said to wish someone enjoyment of their meal.
15. "Thank you" - Said to express gratitude.
16. "Please" - Said to make a request more polite.
17. "You're welcome" - Said in response to 'thank you'.
18. "Excuse me" - Said to politely get someone's attention or to apologize for a minor fault.
19. "I'm sorry" - Said to apologize for a mistake or offense.
20. "Goodbye" or "Farewell" - Said when parting.

what do these ritual expressions obscure?

Ritual expressions can sometimes obscure the real emotions or intentions of the person using them. They are often used out of habit or social expectation, rather than expressing genuine feelings. For example, saying "I'm sorry" might not always mean the person is truly remorseful, and "Thank you" might not always reflect genuine gratitude. These expressions can also be used to maintain social harmony and avoid conflict, even when there might be underlying disagreements or tensions.

what are the consequences of obscuring the truth?

Obscuring the truth can lead to:

1. Misunderstandings: If the truth is hidden, it can lead to misinterpretations and false assumptions.
2. Distrust: If it's discovered that the truth has been obscured, it can erode trust between individuals or parties.
3. Poor Decision Making: Decisions made based on obscured truths may not be in the best interest of the individual or group.
4. Conflict: When the truth comes out, it can lead to arguments or conflict, especially if people feel they've been deceived.
5. Legal Consequences: In some cases, obscuring the truth can lead to legal repercussions, such as in cases of perjury or fraud.

(c/o Chatgpt)

[spiral falcon]

Oh, it's good one

[thorny steeple]

Good points!

[jaunty mesa]

When you lie to someone and they understand it, that's gonna lead to problems such as distrust!

Which is a bad thing, of course.

[thorny steeple]

Yes.

100% and it's hard to regain trust tbh.

[full river]

What I find interesting is that Social rituals are given in the red row of the Savi grid. Meaning it is something disruptive for a healthy communication.

[jaunty mesa]

Absolutely

[thorny steeple]

I don't think it's ever regained.

For me for example, I don't recall a time when I did it.

[lavish finch]

The red row indicates a high level of noise in the communication.

[jaunty mesa]

What I was thinking for a few days 🧐

[full river]

I dont consider social rituals as something harmful compared to blaming, interrupting and others

[lavish finch]

Noise in the technical sense of high amounts of contradiction, redundancy, and ambiguity.

[jaunty mesa]

The rows of the SAVI Grid are based on information theory as framed by Shannon and Weaver*, and on the principle that communication behavior either approaches or avoids solving the problems inherent in information transfer (derived from Howard and Scott**). The Classic SAVI Grid uses the language of theory to label the rows: Avoidance, Contingent, Approach. The Traffic Light SAVI Grid uses a traffic light metaphor to convey the idea of approaching or avoiding information transfer: Red Light for Avoidance, Yellow Light for Contingent, Green Light for Approach. Each Grid is useful in different contexts.
-Savi's website

[jaunty mesa]

that explains almost nothing

[full river]

As you stated before. It is probably related to the cases when social rituals contradict the reality or when excess amount of social rituals are being used.

[lavish finch]

#📚｜english-questions

[full river]

And maybe neutral types of social rituals could also be included to the grid to avoid misunderstanding

[spiral falcon]

Oh, get it

[thorny steeple]

It's impolite in fact.

[lavish finch]

Most groups obscure a great deal.

[full river]

Oh. Do you mean social rituals or my statement?

[lavish finch]

And would react to a sudden shift towards transparency.

[thorny steeple]

Noo! I was agreeing with your statement. 😂

Like interrupt others when speaking, etc.

[full river]

yes, much more impolite compared to a sorry when I'm not actually sorry imho 🙃

[lavish finch]

Groups have different norms

[thorny steeple]

YES! Haha!

[lavish finch]

Many may absolutely have the norm of avoiding conflict, preferencing politeness over authenticity, compliance over disagreement,

[thorny steeple]

It makes sense, it all depends on the context.

But I believe there's always a way to say the truth and be authentic.

[lavish finch]

They are usually very severe consequences to going against group norms

[full river]

I've gone through it in some other group. When it was so opposite to what I was used to in my social environment.

[lavish finch]

It takes a very high level of skill to challenge authority without being received as a threat

In other words to have an impact on a system

Systems are self preserving

They will remove, neutralize, or isolate any perceived threats.

That’s true at a microscale like a single cell organism, and a macro scale like the US government.

[thorny steeple]

I was thinking in a more personal way.
What you're saying is valid, of course!

[lavish finch]

It applies at the personal level of course. But when you understand why it applies at the personal level you have some freedom to make choices that are informed.

[thorny steeple]

That's why we have arts, books, scifi social critics books, professor Green and movies with subliminal messages, right! 😂

• humor.

[lavish finch]

Well yes. When you close the door on reality it has a way of coming in through the windows.

[full river]

They would try to get rid of anything that is alien. There is relation between what we're taking about and scapegoating, right?

[lavish finch]

Even the largest most powerful systems you can imagine cannot defy reality.

[thorny steeple]

Just like our shadows.

[thorny steeple]

I think too!

[lavish finch]

Scapegoating happens when a system attempts to manage a problem by projecting the problem into one person or group.

It’s a very common strategy.

Most groups struggle to avoid it.

The problem with scapegoating is that it’s not usually an accurate assessment of the problem.

And so all the same consequences of obscuring the truth result.

[civic reef]

sometimes they will remove the threats by making the potential individuals, who could possibly threaten, love their servitude and never question the reality they are told is real, like in "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley

i bet you've read it cuz it's very classic

[lavish finch]

Brave new world is the perfect complement to 1984.

It describes a type of totalitarianism built on pleasure.

Everyone has as much sex and drugs as they want. You just can’t find a copy of Shakespeare anywhere.

[civic reef]

For me its very challenging as a book, like the english Huxley used was very hard for me... and it still is, am like in 40% of the book and ive already discovered a ton of new words, but very rewarding since the image he created is really interesting and terrifying at the same time

[lavish finch]

There’s another good book related to that idea called amusing ourselves to death.

[thorny steeple]

Another books from my teenager years.
You guys made me nostalgic.

[civic reef]

oh yeah, like there was a paragraph about books, specifically that "as the history, they are an absolute non-sense", this is not a real quote literally taken from the book, but it conveys what was written in the original

[thorny steeple]

And it was the highest way of control them.

[lavish finch]

That book also brings back good memories for me of my high school advanced English literature class. With Mr. G. He told my mother I was his best English class student. I loved that class. It was basically a one on one conversation between me and the teacher and all of the students staying silent.

[thorny steeple]

"Don't let them think, let them astray".

Somehow its what happens today.

[civic reef]

so sweet you enjoyed it! i really found this book recently and also it was recently that i started reading it, i bet it will be a nostalgic memory for me too, because before i used to read only e-books in English, but "Brave New World" was the first physical book in english i purchased and ordered for delivery, feels so different to be able to touch it in real life and feel it in real life

[full river]

I'm not surprised 🙃

[jaunty mesa]

Quiet old but I'll paste a result from ChatGPT:

[thorny steeple]

James Granger male version.

[jaunty mesa]

its too long to send

[lavish finch]

Who is that?

[jaunty mesa]

Asked "Why social rituals are in this box, aren't they good?"

[thorny steeple]

Granger, Hermione Granger. 😂

[lavish finch]

ooooh

ha

[thorny steeple]

Ha!

[jaunty mesa]

so, i think this might be helpful

about social rituals

[lavish finch]

Groups need ways to manage conflict. And they will use the best method available to them. If their method is not very good they’ll use something much more crude.

[civic reef]

if we think about this then the "soma" drug from the book is nothing odd anymore, drugs are in common usage outside of the medicine only, same as alcohol, and the sexual relationships became more of a sport than a serious commitment which means a very stable bond between two people

[thorny steeple]

And how do you all personally hand it in your lives?

[lavish finch]

Yes of course. That’s why you hear the comment that 1984 and brave New World were meant to be warnings, not instruction manuals.

[thorny steeple]

Yes! And if you know a bit about the publicity/advertisement techniques and stuff, you'll see that it's encouraged everywhere.

[lavish finch]

For me managing conflict begins with managing myself.

[thorny steeple]

Because people seek pleasure.

[thorny steeple]

I guess they understood it wrong 😂

[lavish finch]

Even when it’s my responsibility to manage the conflict of a group, for example when I’m teaching, the work of managing the classroom is built upon a foundation of my ability to manage myself.

[civic reef]

am an alcohol abstainer since i was born, like ive never drunk despite the peer pressure (am native polish, and alcoholism in Poland is a major issue), so this one will not be a coping mechanism for me... am honestly terrified of drug usage, so this one doesnt work either, and the sex i view as a serious thing which is pretty dangerous if done without real cautions and not with a single, stable partner, so, i like to manage the problems when they emerge without escaping into addictions

[thorny steeple]

It's crazy how's in my country people complain about the prices of my classes and say nothing about others selling them drugs and stuff, even if it's legal. I think like: "ok you don't complain about something that destroys your health but is against someone trying to contribute to your life?!" The programming is deep! Generational ig.

[thorny steeple]

Yes!

[thorny steeple]

It makes sense!

[royal stratus]

I got shot today.

[thorny steeple]

There are so many risks beyond it (specially emotional, which I value alot)! I think you have a valuable and admirable virtue! I hope you're always proud of yourself! 👏🏻👌🏻

[lavish finch]

It’s about time. Most people got the Covid shots years ago.

[royal stratus]

Indeed, also, there’s a documentary series called “How To Become a Tyrant”, which despite formulating itself as a instruction manual, it’s really a warning.

[civic reef]

by the way, i bought both of these recently, i didnt even finish Brave New World yet but am trying my best, they are so nice together!

nostalgic picture for some of you i suppose

[royal stratus]

I’ve already had my COVID shots, I got another one, the type you’d get on anual basis, to prevent common diseases.

[shut loom]

@civic reef are you girl or boy

[thorny steeple]

Shot? What?

[lavish finch]

I was just joking since your comment was a little ambiguous. I didn’t know if you got shot by a gun or what.

[civic reef]

am a guy, why are you asking?

[thorny steeple]

What it means?

[thorny steeple]

Now I know how your sense of humor works 😂

[shut loom]

Hehe nothing I am looking for girl 😁

[full river]

Can be interpreted in many ways 🙃

[royal stratus]

I like the cover arts that include the rats, even though they’re only really featured at the end of the book.

[civic reef]

niceee! i really have it hard to purchase soo many of english books... they are very unavailable in my place

thats why i usually have them as e-books

[thorny steeple]

Shot? I understood he was shot by a gun, LOL!
And I thought it could be a joke like:
Why is he joking here on Discord instead of going to a hospital? 😂

[royal stratus]

Great ending, really, happily ever after sometimes feel phoney.

[lavish finch]

This isn’t a dating group.

[jaunty mesa]

uhhh

[thorny steeple]

He's not a girl or a boy, he's a black cat. 💅🏻

[jaunty mesa]

I teached chatGPT about savi, I'll send you the link: https://chat.openai.com/share/6d08d92e-2e86-438b-a896-775048828e0e it now responds me about my questions @lavish finch

[royal stratus]

Actual, physical, books are amazing, ebooks are also great.

[civic reef]

meowkes perfect sense for me-ow

[thorny steeple]

I am sorry brainy cyberfriends but I have a thing for books that has a nice cover and physical design too, it's like twice pleasurable to read and leave in the shelf. I know... Wrong. 😣

[lavish finch]

I’m still wondering how other people deal with conflict.

[thorny steeple]

It depends on the conflict.

[lavish finch]

I’m also curious how you might categorize different kinds of conflict.

[thorny steeple]

By intensity and context.

[civic reef]

i like the cover of battle royale, this one you see in the photo is a polish edition, i dont have the english one despite the fact that the two books from the top are in english

[sullen sandal]

#🛂｜report-help May I have permission to switch my video call on?

[civic reef]

it's hard-cover, 800 pages in polish version

[thorny steeple]

Very good!

Must be heavy, lol!

[jaunty mesa]

Read* 1984 but never heard about Brave New World.
*Correct me if I used it wrong

[lavish finch]

Please elaborate

[full river]

Today I was very close to starting a conflict. Chose to connect to my feelings instead and avoided acted them out.

[thorny steeple]

There are different kinds of conflict for example. In transit, with other unknown people, with family and friends, with internet, with myself, with society stuff. Etc!

[thorny steeple]

You're a higher spiritual being. 🥰

[full river]

Avoiding attacking, blaming, being sarcastic which was very tempting

[full river]

Not always 😄

[thorny steeple]

Most of them I ignore, others I made a self reflection to discover why they are bothering me, with others I want to kill them and leave their souls in hell, with others I don't mind... Etc, etc. 🤣

[lavish finch]

Shut up and take a compliment

[thorny steeple]

YES

[full river]

ok ok. So kind of you 🥰

Now it would be a ritual used to obscure my disagreement 😄

[thorny steeple]

😂😂😂

[lavish finch]

I have a fork for you

[full river]

getting serious again..

[jaunty mesa]

Sorry for interrupting but I feel so foreign to stuff you talk about 😦

[thorny steeple]

It's ok, but it's also criticizing ourselves too much. Why we are alot confortable with critics but very uncomfortable with praise?

[lavish finch]

Thanks for letting us know

[thorny steeple]

Why?

[civic reef]

maybe we are so used to critics that it became the norm and now praise is a new thing, which is not inculcated inside of us as strongly as taking the blame

[thorny steeple]

It's praise or compliment the correct word? 🤔

[lavish finch]

Do you feel the excitement in the chat channel?

[full river]

well I checked your conversation with chatgpt, you didnt seem to be a stranger to the topic 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Yes, and it's sad because I believe we evolve so much more through this than criticizing. 😣

[civic reef]

and we seek validation, not reassurance, like we want have our feelings understood and validated as absolutely true, not told that "its ok, you're wrong but fine fine, am gonna comfort you"

[jaunty mesa]

Couldn't get it, sorry 😦

[thorny steeple]

Until you learn to do this to yourself. 😂

[jaunty mesa]

I feel like A2 now

[lavish finch]

The fork would be to recognize that you were in a different sub group, contain your experience and find a way to bring it in that doesn’t interrupt the current sub group.

And also does not drop yourself.

[thorny steeple]

Let's give Bora a hug so he/she can't feel foreigner 🥰

[lavish finch]

People here care about you Bora

[jaunty mesa]

That makes me happy 🙂 and gives me courage to speak

[civic reef]

hm yeah i think it's like this sometimes, people in my surroundings don't even know i speak english so they just automatically assume i am monolingual, so i feel like i dont even speak english, but then i realize that there is no possible way i dont speak the language when i used it so many times, and literally read books in it

[thorny steeple]

Yes, we just talk too much and get excited about a topic going deep on it! 😂

[jaunty mesa]

yes

[lavish finch]

Bora and Nargiz💬 are learning how to let themselves be cared for

[thorny steeple]

At least you're like home, in my own country people think I am a foreigner. 😂

[jaunty mesa]

I don't know vocabulary for spesific topics, so even just watching you guys talk improves it, i think.

[lavish finch]

We will feel like a foreigner anywhere if we don’t make peace with ourselves.

[thorny steeple]

It's a journey! The hability to speak is already a step!

[full river]

Ahh the thing that I dont like about the joining game. To contain my disagreement 🙂

[civic reef]

why is that? dont you speak your native language?

[jaunty mesa]

Thank you

[lavish finch]

You need a little bit of my superpower.

[thorny steeple]

No, it's the way I look. It's not very Brasilian I think. 😹

[jaunty mesa]

You have a magic hand, sir. You give us courage 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Poetic.

[lavish finch]

It takes two to tango. It’s true that this is my specialty. But if you’re not interested my specialty is useless.

[thorny steeple]

Iam glad for the creation of this channel. Another level of convo! 🥰

[civic reef]

my understanding of "brazilian" appearance is a person with a kind of darker complexion, possibly tall and possibly at least a tiny bit overweight, and for some unknown reason naked all the time, maybe its just too many movies

[thorny steeple]

The stereotype. I know. 😣

I'm taller alot than the usual here, white alot than the usual and with dark hair. I'm literally a vampire. 😹

[jaunty mesa]

I am, just need some more time to study about the stuff you talk about. Since I'll start high school this year, I don't have enough knowladge even in simple topics. That's not a barrier but makes me harder to understand 🙂

[full river]

a pretty one 💜

[lavish finch]

You’re already too late. You should have saved the world by now.

[thorny steeple]

Thank you!! 🥰

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhhhh you're a babyyyyy

Enjoy this phase of your life! 😹

[full river]

With this speed, I'm sure he'll achieve a lot

[civic reef]

oh yeah, for me am very pale too, but am an average height for polish people, like 1.78cm, so i dont really stick out so visibly, am just a bit too skinny for a male but am working on the weight gain lol

[jaunty mesa]

Not really, since I'm fired.

[lavish finch]

Don’t puff him up it’ll get to his head.

[civic reef]

i started learning english when i was your age haha, you're gonna be better than me when you turn my age, incomparably

[thorny steeple]

Just the fact you want to learn more is a good sign!

[thorny steeple]

Ohh! Got it! I hope you achieve your goal! 🥰

[thorny steeple]

What you mean by fired?

[jaunty mesa]

Thanks 🙂 But I'm getting distracted so easily these days that I can't even study from book. Anyways, that's enough talk about me. I'm starting to feel selfish

[jaunty mesa]

I was working at a windsurf school

[lavish finch]

Now that you’re free you can join the board of directors of my English school.

[jaunty mesa]

Really?

[lavish finch]

We’ll have to vote on it but yes.

[thorny steeple]

Working is a better way to enjoy it than wasting time with other unusual stuff. Around your age like 14/15 I liked to teach older people how to read and write, I wasn't even getting paid. I love that I did that, I feel like some part of me had lived with them!

[lavish finch]

Child slave labor is the future of the economy anyway. Better to take advantage of it now rather than later.

[jaunty mesa]

Cool, I was saving for my dream bicycle. Price of it went up, my salary went down to 0.

[thorny steeple]

The important is that you're good in English right! ✨

[civic reef]

nah you're better but thanks

[thorny steeple]

Fun question: what do you guys did with your first paycheck?

[civic reef]

i saved it and i actually still have it, like the money from it

[thorny steeple]

Stop comparing yourselffffffffffff aff 😹😹😹

[lavish finch]

I bought cards called garbage patch kid cards. I was 10 years old and it was my first allowance. These are cards of pictures of children that look disgusting. My mother marched me back to the corner store and made me return them.

[sharp zinc]

@lavish finch wow, what a Huge Wall of text went by while I was away... the Eligible Manipulator I referred to here is every single person regarding that specific matter that can evade paying taxes and yet yes he/she among the richest (watch the less than 3 minutes I mentioned) @civic reef I think that also answer u.. and yes.. I'm a red pill kind of a person.

[thorny steeple]

I bought a giant book from Marvel to recreate the drawings as paintings. 😂 It took all my money.

[jaunty mesa]

Oh 😦

[thorny steeple]

Allowance is not paycheck. Answer again. 💅🏻

[jaunty mesa]

Framed it, my brother stole it and I don't know where it is now.

[jaunty mesa]

Now it makes sense 😅

[thorny steeple]

I still have this book, I don't want to sell it. 😹

[thorny steeple]

Your mom were right LOL

[jaunty mesa]

Strange...different, that's why it's strange 🙂 unusual

How to mix a sentence in a minute

[thorny steeple]

Ok cyberfriends, call of duty! I talk with y'all later! Thanks for the fun constructive chat! Time in this channel worths it. 🥰

[jaunty mesa]

Take care

[civic reef]

i actually have a ton of memories regarding it, because it was like a year ago, a bit more, and it was my first job, i was an intern in an office which belonged to a huge furniture market, but they made me work physically as well, so one day i ended up ordering buckets with paints for sale on shelves in an aisle with paints for homes, and there was one guy who really got a lot of attention from my whole team of co-workers, they gathered next to him and tried to talk, i was also interested so i approached the guy, he asked me "do you speak english?" and i said i did, they all had no idea how to talk with him cuz they spoke no english, and later we had a small talk, turned out the guy was straight from new york and happened to be in poland just cuz his wife was german and he lived near the border

a long story lol

[thorny steeple]

@full river show up more!! ✨

[lavish finch]

Please tell her. She doesn’t listen to me.

[jaunty mesa]

Cool

[civic reef]

poor guy was looking for a paint for his walls, and he didnt use google translate cuz his battery was dead, later my co-workers kept on asking me why i speak english so well, they couldnt get the american accent lol

[full river]

With pleasure 🙃

[thorny steeple]

She's a rebel independent woman who only listens who she wants. 💅🏻😂

[lavish finch]

Tell me something I don’t know.

[thorny steeple]

Impossible you're Green gpt 😂

[thorny steeple]

Noooo, do the polish accenttt

More different! 🥰

[lavish finch]

That’s a keeper

[jaunty mesa]

Walking AI

[thorny steeple]

Yes 😂

[lavish finch]

I’m human. I promise.

[thorny steeple]

I don't even risk my explanations anymore.

[civic reef]

i will remember that guy for the rest of my life, like it was so stressful cuz he spoke english all of a sudden in a huge market full of only polish customers and only polish staff

[jaunty mesa]

You're filled with knowledge, I shouldn't even discuss with you as an 8th grader if you weren't a teacher 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Now I vote for his new nickname as Green-gpt. 😹

Ok! Let me go, alot of stuffs to do and I'm here like a lady who already won her life. 😂

👋🏻

[civic reef]

we are all filled... not sure what with, but i think you're filled with water same as a high percentage of my own weight too

and call me crazy but i think James Green is also made of water

[full river]

Same here. It is 1.20 am and I'm still chatting 🙃

[jaunty mesa]

Same 🙂

[lavish finch]

Good time to call it quits for me too.

[jaunty mesa]

I'll probably stay awake till morning because im at home for weeks now, full of energy.

[thorny steeple]

Ohh where is it?

[jaunty mesa]

And made myself a latte sooo

[full river]

Azerbaijan

[jaunty mesa]

Oh, also I have sleeping problems. Great combo to not sleep

[full river]

guess so

[lavish finch]

I need to recharge my batteries…I mean eat dinner.

[jaunty mesa]

Corn on the cob

[full river]

Loved the conversation 🙃 talk to you all again ❤️

[thorny steeple]

So cool! I want to visit Baku one day! I learn alot from a teacher from there! 🥰

[jaunty mesa]

I didn't even know what it was until I googled it

the word I wrote wrong*

[full river]

Oh interesting. And I'm friends with a teacher from Brazil 🙃 Would love to meet you some day

[jaunty mesa]

Take care!

[thorny steeple]

Deal! Let me know when you visit here! I'm currently in the northeast but I'm from the south!

Bybyeee guys

[lavish finch]

Bye everyone. Until next time 🧠✨

[thorny steeple]

In the sentence "The swings were swaying with the wind, like a leaf in Autumn's breeze." is "The swings were swaying with the wind" the independent clause and "like a leaf in Autumn's breeze" a dependent clause? And the entire sentence is a compound sentence because it is the combination of a dependent and independent clause?

Oops, I should've probably sent that in #📚｜english-questions.

[jaunty badger]

sup

[scarlet knot]

Wass!up

[thorny steeple]

Hrllo

[thorny steeple]

Good morning

I am new with this app, what have I to do there?

[ornate siren]

Hey, would anyone like to friend me? Because I'm looking for partners or friends to discuss various subjects with. I'm looking to share and receive knowledge. Anyone like @civic reef ? @full river ? @thorny steeple ? @royal stratus ?

[thorny steeple]

🗿

[full river]

Hi Nocturnal. Of course we can be friends, but I dont promise being so active in DM

[tardy vale]

hello, I'm wondering if anyone can help me to paraphrase something, AI detectors have been going crazy about it and I've tried using online tools but that didn't help much :/

[full river]

Post here and see. Maybe someone will help with it

[tardy vale]

I'm no longer in need of help, I just had to reaaaally use my brain haha

thank you!

[full river]

Good choice 🙂

[lavish finch]

Who would like to study some philosophy with me?

https://youtu.be/8ZoQ7wh9pSQ

[dark lily]

hey guys, how is it going?

[thorny steeple]

Oii! I already accepted your friend request, but same as Nargiz, I'm not so active on DMs. 😹 I'm having ALOT of classes now, I feel like I'm transcending this reality and entering into the realm of insanity at this moment. 🥺🤣 (My own fault). Haha! What are those subjects? I'm curious!

[thorny steeple]

What's the subject?

[thorny steeple]

Hi

How are you all

[frozen terrace]

Fine. What about you?

[thorny steeple]

Good. Thx for asking 🙂

[ornate siren]

I could use some discussions on philosophy, albeit privately, if that's okay for you.

[full river]

I would love to read discussions on philosophy. Why not do it here? I think many people could benefit and maybe join descussions as well

[full river]

Sounds compelling to me

[thorny steeple]

Agreee!

[static pivot]

I've masters in philosophy

[ornate siren]

Yes, why not?

[full river]

Would be interesting to read you then. Why are you so silent? 🙂

I studied philosophy in the university years ago. Then joined some of the philosophy classes James was condacting

[static pivot]

I'm no expert.

[ornate siren]

In what fields, specifically?

[static pivot]

Just reading through all chats

[full river]

I'm not an expert either, but it is always interesting for me to listen to people discuss it

And sometimes take part in it when I have something to say

[static pivot]

Hmm

[thorny steeple]

is this an advanced english chat?

[thorny steeple]

Kind of, you can think it more as an "advanced chat" in english, LOL

oh

I am an advanced englsih speaker if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

advanced english is what i meant

Thank you! That's nice of you! 🥰

[prisma cipher]

I think it just for serious talk

[thorny steeple]

makes sense

they did name this serious chat haha

[prisma cipher]

I mean you can talk about religion or something even with basic English

[thorny steeple]

very true

[prisma cipher]

Don't be shy

[static pivot]

English*

[thorny steeple]

let him be advanced

[lavish finch]

Here

[thorny steeple]

.

yes m joking

u are supposed to laugh

i am very indeed laughing

[thorny steeple]

Don't laught it's serious chat.

the limitations of a text based conversation does not allow one to laugh

😆

[thorny steeple]

Waffling Waffles when he said “i am very indeed laughing”

thats not true(maybe)

Mr Green and his pic of the day. 📸

[thorny steeple]

Don't laugh.

My apologies😅

😂

Still laughing.

[ornate siren]

Stop laughing, guys.

[thorny steeple]

Laughing has been stopped.

[full river]

(reading the chat, smiling, feeling affection, leaving to teach)

[ornate siren]

Bye then, good luck with the teaching.

[lavish finch]

The lecture I posted, Introduction to the Problems and Scope of Philosophy, is an introduction. No specialist knowledge is required.

[ornate siren]

Okay.

[lavish finch]

But if you listen to the lecture you will learn some specialist knowledge.

Words like metaphysics and ontology.

And epistemology, which I mentioned here a few days ago.

If you listen and have questions about words or phrases, you can bring them here and ask.

[thorny steeple]

(Wishing to do it, but with alot of things to do and feeling sad for not being able to do it now).

[lavish finch]

No worries, it's an ongoing invitation.

[ornate siren]

Excuse the audacity, but I seem to have already studied these things.

[lavish finch]

Yes, I can see that you're not a beginner to the subject of philosophy, Noctural.

Is there a specific area of philosophy that interests you?

[thorny steeple]

Don't be shy @ornate siren !

[ornate siren]

I mentioned: causality, logic, semantics and of course ontology.

I'm not shy, I'm just wary of the moment when Mr. Green will land a sudden sarcasm on me. LOL sorry

[ornate siren]

You should check my DMs

[thorny steeple]

Here is only serious chat, not sarcasm and laughing.

Ok, let me break the rules: 😹 😹 😹 😹

[thorny steeple]

done with my last class for the day an hour ago, good luck to you

I smell Anarchy.

why

Angelline going against the chat rules and laughing

This is peak anarchy moment

I am a rebel. Don't be like me, I was banned alot of times. 💅

Even me banned myself sometimes.

I respect your sacrifice

[lavish finch]

Yes, those are great subjects to learn. They are going to be too difficult to tackle for students who are just being introduced to philosophy. But we can begin talking about them here. I suggest we use this lecture as a starting point for our discussions, Noctural.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvp9QmqrMiE

[ornate siren]

Of course.

[ornate siren]

I'll make sure that I watch it.

[lavish finch]

I'd like to know more about your rebellion.

[thorny steeple]

I told them not to laugh, but I was laughing myself. 🥺

It wasn't anything serious, I was just being Angelline.

Let's get back to the serious chat! 🧠

[lavish finch]

I see a connection.

[thorny steeple]

Tu hablas español, @lavish finch ?

[lavish finch]

Non

[ornate siren]

Um, Español in the serious chat?

[ornate siren]

Parlez-vous Francais?

[thorny steeple]

Si, estoy send rebel again. Hablando español donde no puede. 🤭

(Ok, let me go to my class! LOL! Talk later cyberfriends!)

[lavish finch]

Não. mas eu falo portugues

[thorny steeple]

O QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

💀

[ornate siren]

okay goodbye for now

[thorny steeple]

Goodbye,happy teaching.

[ornate siren]

gotta sleep.

We'll talk about linguistic skills later.

[thorny steeple]

In spanish I'm a student, but thanks! I felt like someone who knows alot of spanish.

[thorny steeple]

well what i meant was happy teaching your brain those spanish words...i guess😅

phew that was close

LOL

[lavish finch]

Quando tiver tempo podemos conversar sobre filosofia

[thorny steeple]

agreed

[lavish finch]

e linguística

minha especialidade

#1006565255192776704 message

[static pivot]

Hello serious members

Umm

[sharp zinc]

@lavish finchthat was a nice video to share, and it proves many points I once discussed with some friends. that's a rich All-In-One introduction in Philosophy by a professional "yet easy going and smooth" lecturer.

[thorny steeple]

No sarcasm, it's serious chat.

[sharp zinc]

Philology and Textual Criticism

[full river]

Stars, elaborate

But please dont send any more video links. I'm swamped with them 😄

[static pivot]

😄

[sharp zinc]

consider it a matter of Logos and Mythos 😛

sry.. anyways it was kinda self reminder for myself

[full river]

OK. let me finish with my previous tasks. I'll come to it

[crimson ledge]

yp

yo

wassup

trying to improve my communication

anyone wants to talk?

[chrome laurel]

Hallo. New member here. 👋

[next flame]

hi

uhm so ill be graduating from highschool two months from now.
and im just kind of lost what to do after graduate.
I wanna pursue my dream to become an english teacher here in Japan
but at the same time im thinking its too impossible if i wanna enjoy my life.
i love partying,hanging out with friends and making out.
but if i became teacher i cant do the things i love because i have to protect my reputation
which is a really big deal in japan when your aiming high.

im really lost in my path right now and i dont know what to do.

[lavish finch]

A lot of respect for teachers in Japan and also a lot of expectations.

[toxic plover]

You should do what's best for you, something you really love

If teaching is something you love, just go for it, don't do a job that you'd hate doing for 20+ years

[sharp zinc]

@next flameu mentioned two words: Dream and Enjoy. decide which is most important 1st.

[toxic plover]

Also it's very impressive to see Japanese people learning English considering it's very hard and different than Japanese, so i admire you for that.

[next flame]

thank you moxy.

[toxic plover]

どういたしまして

[next flame]

so even if i graduate or not i still need to pay my debt which is really stressing me out.
im also paying my own tuition fee my parents wouldnt even help me.

[next flame]

and im still 18

[toxic plover]

How much is your debt ? (If it's ok to ask)

[next flame]

i dont really know what to do.

[next flame]

2,136.90 in usd

300,000 in yen

[toxic plover]

That's a lot, your parents aren't able to help you ?

[next flame]

yeah because it was in my name so im responsible

[toxic plover]

Do you have any source of income ? To pay for it ?

[next flame]

so basically there is no free school here in japan i barely got in highschool because its so expensive. so my parents borrowed some money just to get me in highschool. we also wrote a will that after graduating the money that we borrowed need to return it as soon as possible and im not allowed to changeschool. but i broke that will and changed school. it almost got us arrested. we even went to court because of my mistake.

[next flame]

for daily expenses? no its not even enough for one person.

[toxic plover]

That's rough...

[next flame]

yeah..

[toxic plover]

Darn it....

[sharp zinc]

why did u change school?

[next flame]

oh because i was bullied

[toxic plover]

It must be really hard to live in japan

[sharp zinc]

and what about that school administration itself towards u being bullied? any actions taken against those bullied u?

[toxic plover]

And expensive

[toxic plover]

Against those who have bullied u*

(You had the correct me role, so i did)

[next flame]

well in japan even tho youre getting bullied if you dont have hard evidence they will just leave it
even teachers are bullying

not only students

[toxic plover]

Japan has some "loose" rules that need to be tightened again.

[sharp zinc]

hard evidence?? I don't think there is a place in Japan that doesn't have cameras but bath rooms!! how's that as a way to prove things?

[next flame]

yeah. thats why i dont want to livehere anymore. but ofcourse bullying applies in every country so even if i move in it wont change.

[next flame]

no one is gonna believe you and my school doesnt have cameras. so even if you confess if no one gonna back up for you they would just blame you for it instead

[toxic plover]

@next flame here's my honest take

I would love to help you financially tbh cuz i feel happy helping people who are in deep trouble, but i feel like that's not the best solution to your problem, you need to find a good source of income to have a very stable and less stressful life, so my recommendation is to be an English teacher if it's profitable, then you can change careers if you don't like teaching, your English is amazing and you make a great teacher, you're still young and full of opportunities, don't feel stressed and enjoy your teenage, you're a good person kikuna.

[sharp zinc]

There is absolutely no contradiction or conflict between enjoying life and chasing your dream of being an English language teacher without harming or ruining your reputation unless your ways of partying and going out to have fun is not that innocence in the eyes of fellow Japanese!