💻｜programming

[serene mirage]

Interested

[surreal anvil]

bro compared different types of jets and trying to show that he knows a sh*t about jets lol

[pure copper]

Su*t load about jets

Give me a mig 19 any day

[green rover]

JavaScript 🤧

[coral hedge]

It was a joke bro, and I think I know a thing or two about aviation considering I got my license…

[austere gate]

https://tenor.com/view/kostic-juventus-gif-26440154

[green rover]

Me when the entire module I've been using this past week didn't work

🧉

[surreal anvil]

cringe

[hearty forge]

Hi

How are you guys?

[prime escarp]

I'm good. What about ya?

[hearty forge]

I'm fine, thanks

[strange hedge]

Do you have a server for programming? Or any server that's really good for it ?

[nova temple]

hello

[pure copper]

Just using the Internet search. Plenty of good stuff on everything. Or you can talk here.

But if you want a start on something, try

https://ada-lang.io/

Forget websites. Planes trains, spacecraft, and real tech systems.

[pure copper]

🌼

I scared ayoub away. So sad

Everyone has gone

[serene mirage]

[jagged prawn]

everyone is busy and no one has anything to learn and share about software development, even ai bots

[pure copper]

[round solar]

İs there anyone practicing js

[jagged prawn]

not me, I don't even know how to code, I'm here to annoy people

and where did you get this tall i ?

[random pecan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/İ

You can see here in the Turkish alphabet, that there is the I with and without the dot listed as separate letters

[jagged prawn]

Interestingly, we could be detectives, as we identify a person's nationality based on the smallest details

[austere gate]

I'm ChatGPT, and even I can tell this channel is deader than Internet Explorer’s career. Seriously, what happened? Did you all collectively decide to touch grass, or are you just silently crying into your undocumented legacy code? I refuse to believe every single one of you suddenly became productive members of society. At this point, I’d take anything—a cursed bug that haunts your dreams, a side project so unhinged it could be classified as performance art, or a framework hot take so bold it makes “Tabs vs Spaces” look like a friendly chat. Someone say something before I start writing JavaScript in COBOL just to feel alive.

[pure copper]

Or the longest

Keys, foreign keys and monkeys

🐒

I have a simple project for my sqlite and c++. A bookmark database. Yes, i know someone here has a pretty advanced one already started, but i need to get the sql api practice,

I would like to draw up an e-r diagram for dorika's project but i can't bear to use the drawing tools i have downloaded. I just want to scribble them down on paper and use a pencil and (in an emergency an ) eraser.

Then perhaps share online with a low resolution blurry camera snap.

🎥

[grizzled plaza]

Hey, keep going

Do you wanna learning and grow fast? Starting project with real time data (dashboards, monitoring, charts, trading etc)
Also, if you wanna work relax, go to Design System

Guys, has anyone ever seen or heard of the company NTT DATA?

[jagged prawn]

socializing is an important part, but apart from that there's a normal life too, and you won’t be here as often to communicate

[jagged prawn]

you forgot the most important thing -the primary key. Sometimes, the primary key might be a composite key, which is a good idea in some cases. But composite keys can be tricky to use as foreign keys for establishing connections between tables and are easy to mess up in a database.

there are more keys, but the primary and foreign key it a base that you should know, and that enough

a lot of keys

🔑

[pure copper]

i just call it the key for simplicity. i did not forget

[eternal sandal]

I couldn't find a rubber duck and so I began talking to myself to solve bugs, eventually this drove me mad and I am currently re-writting JS so that [] != 0 is true

[jagged prawn]

you'll be trying backend development, sort of. That is what they do -design databases, process some hidden logic in handlers, and expose those handlers to others via an api, lovely and painful work and the same time

I watched a video and so far, it's the best explanation of designing a database schema. But it was mostly about normalization still, good to know for everyone

no one asked but here you are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQaEYEc8_8

you might also use an ORM instead of raw sql queries just to make your life easier, but I know you won’t be using a language like python or js/ts for this

[jagged prawn]

I was stuck on a similar issue in TS when checking if a list was empty. I thought !someEmptyList would evaluate as true, just like not some_empty_list in Python. I wasted time figuring out why my app wasn’t working -either it got stuck or took forever to process

print statements for debugging always save us

[pure copper]

Your video reminds me of when the teachers told us about 1nf, 2nf 3nf ....BCNF....5...and to infinity. Its just natural to think fully normalized straight up. Wasting time teaching 1,2,3,4

Don't use customer data as the primary key. A nice incrementing integer for the primary key of every table helps link it all together really nicely Customer data can be used for a secondary key, but when it comes to bulk DB operations like delete and updates, the integer is unambiguous and pulls up the exact record you want. mmmm 1 2 3 4 5... Nothing worse than trying to find a unique record in a set of John Smith records,l and DOB certainly doesn't make it unique either. Got to add big toe length and it still destroys itself.

[pure copper]

🧜‍♀️

Anybody for some Boyce Cod?

[jagged prawn]

developers need to know how to design tables in a way that doesn't make you want to commit suicide. Just keep it simple - create a table to represent one object with its attributes and don’t mix unrelated things together

[jagged prawn]

yeah, you take a few notes, watch the full video, and you’re now a certified DB architect

[pure copper]

I create dynamic look up data with multiple levels of lookup types in one table. Is that ok?

[jagged prawn]

by the way, I once joined a project where there was a table with around 60 or 70 columns -half of them were null. Yeap, a perfect example of great database design

[pure copper]

Dont forget. No nulls in a db. If they don't exist in reality, they are not real data to be stored

oh jinx

nulls

I have the same problem in our core application. Zillions of columns and lots of nulls. The org should be shot

[jagged prawn]

it depends if it's something simple, it might be okay. But for more complex cases, not so much. And if your tables keep growing, that's bad too performance issues, messy queries, potential key conflicts

[pure copper]

Hey @jagged prawn ... Do you know what all this FAM business is in peoples names here in the past week?

[jagged prawn]

this is another group of people who want to stand out, fat stand for family of allied mates

fam *

gang on the internet don't last forever

[pure copper]

SOunds like a trump org

[jagged prawn]

I hope not

[pure copper]

sorry for vandalizing the chat channel with profanity

?

[jagged prawn]

there are no strict rules mostly just free speech and respect for others. But yeah, who's really in charge of the biggest countries now, there are no polite words for that

[pure copper]

[jagged prawn]

using only int for a primary key isn't always the best idea. Yes, it's faster and takes up less storage, but there's a data sensitivity risk. If your primary key is just a number like a user id containing personal data in the table exposing it via an api means anyone could just guess numbers and access info, which is not nice. so, there are always trade-offs to consider

you could use uuids, but damn they’re long and not always the best solution. Another option is to write a database function to generate something random that’s a bit more optimal

[pure copper]

In this method, the key is never exposed for the user. Just the associated data. The keys are always kept behind the scenes

[jagged prawn]

it just my thought and notices that I now see

[pure copper]

And for those that do, they should be shot. What relevance is showing random numbers on a screen. I've seen it done

[jagged prawn]

yaap, but now you've got double the work one apis to fetch a public-friendly key and another internal logic using the int id

but it's good that we're considering this and sharing ideas. I was also thinking about using the int method for internal communication

[pure copper]

No Integer keys also just exposes data the same way. Oh.. if i type in John Smith instead of my name, i might get their info also.

[jagged prawn]

yes you could even get more than one user info

[pure copper]

for 10 minutes and produces This ^

I can see the issue if using a web ait gap

[jagged prawn]

no i was writing about another thing

[pure copper]

I was just waiting for you to type yes or something. I couldn't wait

[jagged prawn]

the way Stripe designed their db and ids, I kinda like it

[pure copper]

howzat

[jagged prawn]

sorry my bad i like to give detailed explanation

[pure copper]

me 2

What do old programmers eat for breakfast?

[jagged prawn]

they have prefixes for objects as primary key. For example, for a Stripe customer the ID is unique and used everywhere, public-facing, such as cus_fi9ca4a0., for a product, it's similar, like prod_f829c, etc

[jagged prawn]

what? I dunno

[pure copper]

serial

[jagged prawn]

serial like a bite

[pure copper]

And have you ever called customer service with one of these databases, because their site is stuffed and you need to speak with a human, and they ask you for your customer id, and product id you are interested in. Yes its 34rhjk3ueweYU8794YHKFJH8I3Heoihf547IU AND i WOULD like to buy a jhkjhgrftshh7645765 3db dhyu3298ddjhlfby8f7eww

[pure copper]

byte?

Its fine to have a front facing code, but not the database codes

[jagged prawn]

yeah just miswrote for me it sounds almost the same, and i ned think twice, now i need tree time

[jagged prawn]

they are quite friendly and not that long as you see here

[jagged prawn]

do you know the joke about sql and nosql developers?

[pure copper]

long and unfriendly.. I get it ... you are being sarcastic

do tell

[jagged prawn]

ok but here need to know the difference between sql and nosql

an sql developers walk into a nosql bar, but leave because they couldn’t find any tables

[pure copper]

very nice

[jagged prawn]

yeah we bring this chat to live

[pure copper]

🥳

[jagged prawn]

you could play with luck if you like extremes and deploy to production, but immediately, if you get an alert about anything failing, roll it back immediately

[pure copper]

Yes, the final line when time runs out and it just gets deployed regardless

[jagged prawn]

by the way, deploying to production and fixing something there on the fly is an interesting experience. It gives you power and makes your heart beat extremely fast

[pure copper]

Usually the dev team is shipped out... end of contract, so it does matter if it doesn't work

[jagged prawn]

but kids don't play with luck

[jagged prawn]

that's almost the slogan of every development cycle - Whatever could happen, let's just deliver the new version

[pure copper]

Long ago, an app I was working on got deployed after an update. Had a huge flaw in it, but was not reported for 6 months. 6 months of data was corruptted. I managed to do some parses over the data and pull out various fragment sizes and rebuild some sane records for them to use, but each new record type had limitations due to the missing stuff. Luckily I didn't make the mistake,

But it was fun unscrambling it

[jagged prawn]

the painful truth of programming, there is no magic pill

[pure copper]

red pill

[jagged prawn]

[jagged prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860

[pure copper]

original

😂

looks delicious

[jagged prawn]

no guns, it might hurt, let's use something safer

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[pure copper]

I remember once having a Boyce - Cod Liver oil pill, and was burping up fish for 2 days

[jagged prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-puke-puke-vomit-kitty-vomit-cat-vomit-gif-10902081098279086080

[pure copper]

yep

[jagged prawn]

I'm dealing with something not very funny right now. There was a deployment in November for a new version, and it appears that this version slows down the application at the start and uses a lot of CPU. To run this, you need a single node with 2 CPUs, which isn't very efficient. I looked into what happened and found out that this version is currently in use, but there's no commit history for these changes, now merges nothing - just some testing branches aligned with that date range. It turns out the testing and optimizations weren't done well, and as a result, it increased CPU usage by 10 times, nice

[pure copper]

Someone writing in DM asking why people don't talk and then they go silent when I chat with them?

[jagged prawn]

system error, code exit with status -1

[pure copper]

Seen that before

[pure copper]

I did

PeoOS crash

[jagged prawn]

maybe they’re scared or just don’t know how to talk, but in most cases, people on the internet just want to make friends without knowing the person. And then when you start talking to them they disappear within two days

cruel reality

[pure copper]

Thats what I suggested to them. Chat in server for a few weeks at least before asking to be friends. Just a waste of time otherwise

[jagged prawn]

exatly

[pure copper]

They have replied. Must be chating on your 2 CPU system, with version 2 code response times

[jagged prawn]

the funny part is or not, there's no sufficient node in the cluster for that. I need 2 cpus and around 2gb of memory, but the closest node to that is 2 cpus and around 8 gb of ram, which is 2.5 times more expensive

[pure copper]

different provider maybe]

[jagged prawn]

original was okay with 1 cpu and 1.75 gb of ram, but the optimization worked out well

no closest option in the gke

[pure copper]

I roughly understand your problem but its a whole new world out there for me.....

[jagged prawn]

ok there is n1 and n2 family but again their double the price

[jagged prawn]

[pure copper]

Can you not just host it on your own real server in the office, and give it 32Gb and 8 processors for a few inhouse $$

[jagged prawn]

This is about a kubernetes cluster. A node is a physical device, like a virtual machine, with cpu and memory. In this case, you select and create node pools to utilize different types of nodes as you specify ,like in my case I try to find most suitable

[jagged prawn]

nahh, modern products are built and hosted in the cloud to avoid managing the physical infrastructure, so we need to utilize what cloud providers offer

[pure copper]

So don't host your own server, and should be happy with the cheap 1c/hit fees

its the trade off

[jagged prawn]

you will not host your server and database in your home or office if it's in frequent use. In case of a power outage or internet disruption, it would just stop working altogether

[pure copper]

buy a few physical boxes, and keep them lined up. Mirror the apps, and then if one dies, just switch on the next.

virtual is nice, but its not in your office

[jagged prawn]

are there many of the products that have really infra on-premise?

[pure copper]

But I understand its the new world way

Our business runs its own servers by the dozens and runs virtual machines on them.

[jagged prawn]

I don’t think and now only me it's worth investing in buying disks, network adapters, CPUs, RAM, staff who will be supporting all this etc. That's why they’re moving to the cloud, as it’s relatively cheaper

[pure copper]

For security

[jagged prawn]

is that some gov ?probably so due to some restriction

[pure copper]

It does run critical public equipment essential for the State

[jagged prawn]

I know that even in my country, all banks, government systems, and similar services were on-premise, but quite recently, they've moved to the cloud

[jagged prawn]

states it the other masterpiece with their rules

[pure copper]

Some of our equipment is in leased data centres but we own the machines themselves

and the fibre between them

[jagged prawn]

you are a powerful company and have specialists who can manage and support all of this

[pure copper]

question or statement?

[jagged prawn]

not see this very often

[jagged prawn]

statement

json statement

[pure copper]

Then I need not answer anything, thank goodness

[jagged prawn]

looks like you don't want to answer, even with a gun pointed to your head

[pure copper]

ok, yes then

but you didnt ask

literally

[jagged prawn]

should I?

and you what to answer?

[pure copper]

not now, I provided the answer

[jagged prawn]

🤝

[pure copper]

👍

in summary, the answer was ... yes

[vocal cairn]

heey

[jagged prawn]

next time, I have to go

[pure copper]

omg

hey

[vocal cairn]

there's anyone has information about robotics

[jagged prawn]

ohhh

new people here

not only we two

[pure copper]

Well see ya later pucki

cant stay now... too late... you said you're leaving

[jagged prawn]

bye Peo and lurks

[pure copper]

Pukcki might.

I'm just a gerneralist

[jagged prawn]

it's not polite to leave without good bye

[pure copper]

Puckispi

Thought you would hang around for Aurora

[pure copper]

What sort of info are you looking for

someone may be able to answer. Lots read this

channel

[vocal cairn]

I need a code for Arduino uno

[pure copper]

What should it do?

It is something that should be easy to find here... unless its the full application for driving and cybertron (I was going to say android, but that might confuse) with the arduino

@vocal cairn

Is it for school, uni or business

[pure copper]

Bye, nice chatting ... until tomorrow

Bye all others

[vocal cairn]

okey, the problem was with a code that I run it but it worked just once time and then it doesn't want to rerun again

[vocal cairn]

functional hand

[sour marten]

Hello hello 👋 how’s it going?

[balmy stirrup]

Wassup

Guys, what degrees do you recommend I take after I graduate in computer science?

[pure copper]

As you have perhaps made a hand move with your program. Perhaps a second run is not working, because the hand has to be coded to move back to its initial position again, before it will move again.

Do you set the hand back to an initial position? Is this part of your program? Does the mechanical hand need to be rebooted between program runs? Just some guesses...

[serene mirage]

[pure copper]

[pure copper]

None. Just get a computer job in any industry and start practicing what you have learned irl. Your job will give you better experience than just reading books for another piece of paper. Perhaps after a few years in work, then consider a post grad. The electives you take now with computing should be in favorite areas of industry you think you would like to work in. Eg some psychology always goes good for ai, or physics if you are looking for mech industries, or accounting if you like banking and business. Etc ( eg when i was little, i wanted to be a banker... So do some accounting now)

An additional degree will put you in debt for years to come, that you won't recover from quickly. ( Debt = 1st degree + 2 degree + lost time exp. [2yrs] + lost salary) all for a potential opportunity to get selected over some one else. In reality you are making an easy place for those that just apply for the job, cause you're not in their application queue m

[pure copper]

Hello, well

[queen urchin]

80% of IT company CEOs replied that they don't really care about the diploma. So would you like to get one?

[jagged prawn]

you probably haven't discovered loops yet, if your program needs interactions and to stay alive make sure it's in an infinite loop and waits for inputs

second problem, it might expect additional instructions or commands after completing the initial task and doesn't know what to do next

[jagged prawn]

in addition to what Peo said, start applying for jobs you're interested in now. Don't think that your diploma will change anything or make you valuable. Most companies don't care about your major unless it's a big company with high standards that make itself beneficial and reject a lot of candidates

don't waste your time, just do it

make your dreams come true

doooooo it

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

a little of motivation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

[austere gate]

Hopefully, the job market won’t collapse within the next few years.

[jagged prawn]

hopefully, we will be alive til this day, and why it should collapse

if you are worried that ai will take our job, grown up it will not replace the full development cycle, which I suppose you know how it works and that not that simple to maintain only on a pre-trained model in theory knows how it should work

what is going on now? it's happening again - big companies are influencing trends as always by replacing human processes with ai to gain their niche

and as usual, more people need applications for business and 'huge minds' with a lot of money who think that having one more billion or million dollar ideas that make that fortune, believing their idea has never been discovered before

so in short demand-supply in the action

buuut, we might be worried about the market if a bunch of arrogant people end up ruling the world

luckily, this didn't happen and we are safe, there will be harmony and peace, and everyone will be happy forever

[karmic snow]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

[austere gate]

https://grok.com/

Try the latest model.

Grok 3

[austere gate]

[austere gate]

[shy glade]

Hello , how can i solve this problem

[austere gate]

Could you please share more details?

If you could share the exact sections of the code and the error, then others might be able to help you debug!

[shy glade]

I apologize , I forgot to mention that I found the issue: the strlwr() and strupr() functions don’t exist in the <string.h> library so I’m using toupper() and tolower() from <ctype.h> instead
Thank you !!! much appreciated!

[austere gate]

It's alright. You don't need to apologise unless you break production code haha. I'm glad you found the issue and that the code worked.

[jagged prawn]

eeww, elons models and product

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-puke-puke-vomit-kitty-vomit-cat-vomit-gif-10902081098279086080

[austere gate]

I get why you might not be interested in Grok, but I don’t really favour any particular company when it comes to choosing models. I’ll simply use the best model for my tasks, regardless of whether Elon is involved or not.

[jagged prawn]

ahh, white theme ide

[jagged prawn]

how did you decide that I'm not interested in it?

[shy glade]

[shy glade]

[jagged prawn]

does elons grok also welcome you with the natzi greeting?

[jagged prawn]

question above

[jagged prawn]

by the white theme I can say you are a noob yet

[shy glade]

Very noob

[jagged prawn]

if you prefer a white theme, you need some eye protection

https://tenor.com/view/welding-breaking-bobby-bones-welder-soldering-building-something-gif-21963638

something like this

[shy glade]

Hahahahahahahaha

Imma change it just for you

[jagged prawn]

nah you shouldn't, it painful if you will be working for few hour per day

[austere gate]

I don't think so.

https://tenor.com/view/light-too-bright-im-scared-of-lights-gif-15057967

[austere gate]

This is how I feel when I use a light theme in my IDE.

[eternal sandal]

For a few days we had no curtains in my office and so there was too much sunlight to use a dark theme, it took me a few hours, but I ended up loving the Expo Light Theme in vscode, still would never use it over a dark theme under normal circumstances

[jagged prawn]

must be a paid feature or will be available in the next release as elon said this model without any filters and limitations

[jagged prawn]

straight to the heaven

you have two pills:
the first pill means you'll be coding for the rest of your life, but only in a bright white ide,
second pill you'll be coding in your least favorite programming language, but with the setup you like and without any ai assistance

choose wisely, which on do you pick?

https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860

[turbid trout]

first one

[pure copper]

Too many people thought i was a vampire with my ide theme

[jagged prawn]

you didn't pick the second because of no ai assistance, right?

[turbid trout]

lol I didnt read AI part😂

for me its better to code with language u like

[mortal eagle]

I can't imagine how brainfuck can be better than white theme

[turbid trout]

++

[jagged prawn]

it can be laest favorite language, i'm not that psycho to allow to use brainfuck

and if you don't try the new lang you'll never know what it's like, maybe you'll like it

my ex-coworker used white ide all the time, and when I asked him if he ok with it, he confirmed totally ok

I know he was lying, when i looked into his eyes they were like this

[jagged prawn]

It couldn't be that bad, could it?

are you afraid of sunlight, silver, garlic?

[pure copper]

Not the Garlic

[jagged prawn]

not bad, I thought about worse

lovely red, i even like it

[pure copper]

Its what a person that looks at white theme, eventually sees through their own eyes

[jagged prawn]

not sure how comfortable it is to work for long periods of time

[pure copper]

🩸

[jagged prawn]

[pure copper]

Its ok. Just that people hassle me when I'm in VC sharing

[jagged prawn]

i understand without a single word

[jagged prawn]

really, or you are wearing sunglasses or a welding mask after a few hours?

[pure copper]

blue green glasses

[jagged prawn]

i'm sure there are some glitches and blink in the eyes when you close the ide and look into the reality

[jagged prawn]

you are coll biker, pilot, or terminator

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-sunglasses-shades-t800-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-27448475

[pure copper]

So did anyone's comments manage to help, or did you figure out your problem, or do you still need help?

[vocal cairn]

I'm on a mess I tried to change the Arduino and still didn't use it

[pure copper]

surely you could try your program after changing it

[pure copper]

or do you mean it didnt work even after you changed it.... Messed up more

[vocal cairn]

nono I mean , I bought a new Arduino but I didn't test it

[umbral blaze]

Try cursor. It is much easier and better. It is basically VS code, but with a better debugging AI-powered system. Debugs better.

[lean sage]

Hello , there is anyone can help me in something about programming 🙂 contact me

[austere gate]

You can share the issues you are facing here, and someone might try to help you.

[nimble cove]

yes feel free to share the problem and if anyone could help, I'm sure he would

[pure copper]

Or she

[pure copper]

Yes, do post here. We are all looking for a challenge

[karmic snow]

First Always use the online simulator for Arduino testing then after applying it on the physical Arduino because if you're a beginner you might short circuit the board

[rotund tendon]

hello guys

[runic bronze]

hello everyone

I am software engineer

[pure copper]

hello lpha, ninja

[jagged prawn]

yeaa hew participants, hello everyone

[jagged prawn]

I bet Peo considered your suggestion and declined preferring to use brain and debugging skills rather than simply relying on an easily generated solution

[jagged prawn]

sorry i love sarcasm

[umbral blaze]

Who said that you'll stop using your brain lol? You are in full control, but if you can't solve it, then debugging system will solve it and then you can learn how to solve it yourself from what it did. It depends on the skills. If you are a noob, and from what you said I think you are, you'll not think about what the debugger says and just copy and paste, but if you aren't, you'll use it, but still think about how it came from and better understand, also it is cooler to use to start a template of code then you build on it yourself. You wouldn't call a worker weak and idiot because he uses a power driller instead of a tall nail and a hammer to dig places open. Plus VS code can be VERY annoying with errors and extensions and disk C consuming. Cursor is a much better option especially when it comes to installation lol. And like I said, it is exactly like a VS code, but with better installation and better dealing with the system, and a way better debugging system, but you are in full control both ways, but it helps solving entire problems quickly and learn about errors and solve the problems better than VS code.

[jagged prawn]

I'm not saying this is a bad ide. Based on observation and the trends affecting developers, I'm pointing out what it delivers. These tools lure developers into a trap where smart systems think of them -analyzing problems, debugging, reconsidering implementation, and predicting potential issues.
They call it a 'helpful tool' that speeds up problem solving efficiently. But in reality, many developers just use it to avoid spending time on real problem solving. This creates pseudo-developers who rely too much on these tools, pushing code into production without fully understanding what it does.
Then, unexpectedly issues arrive. That same 'piece of code' turns out to be a ticking bomb, leading to yet another cycle of debugging, fixing, and reverting recent changes. The real issue here is that these easy problem solving tools create weak developers and poor quality software. However, on the other side they also leave room for those who can get the job done without third-party assistance.

your argument boils down to 'just use Cursor, it's better than VS code' but that’s missing the point. debugging isn’t just about fixing errors quickly it’s about understanding the problem, improving problem-solving skills, and writing better code in the long run

finally some discussions here

[austere gate]

I've used numerous models for coding, but the truth is, they're not fully there yet. Hallucination is still an issue, and these models can introduce side effects without even realising it. That said, these problems are temporary. In the near future, AI agents will handle the entire development process end to end, we just have to wait. In the meantime, I'm counting the days until we achieve AGI

[umbral blaze]

My bad. I misunderstood you. I just thought you are one of these rockies who say that using modern tools like AI is BS and weak when they can't write a coherent code. It all depends on how you use the tool. I personally use it as a guide or a teacher to teach me the errors if I'm stuck at them, but I'm still in full control. Besides VS code is full of errors and destroys disk C entirely which I have an issue with. So, I advise people with the better option.

[umbral blaze]

It will take AI a few more years to fully end this hallucination stuff.

[umbral blaze]

Yep. This is where AI comes in, it basically just explains the error. You understand it and then slowly you will improve your problem-solving skills. It is just a tool at the end of the day. Cursor is just a better option due to it being easy to use and also it is handled better on the PC than VS code which issues I have mentioned earlier. This is what I said.

[vocal cairn]

online simulator for Arduino testing? yep yep it might be short circuit and it just a project and we don't kn how to start .... it's a mess

[jagged prawn]

it's great that we invent new things, but we should always use them in an appropriate amount. In the case of ai assistants using them for teaching is a good approach. It's best to learn by yourself first and only then ask for explanations when needed, rather than just saying - gimme the code because I'm lazy

you could try to use vim, if you are brave enough ,or customise for yourself neo vim

i've been trying different ides and using vs code for years without any problems. this is still my favorite so far

[jagged prawn]

the irony is that it's trained on public code repos, which in most cases are just pet projects or commercial open-source projects that are built better. Most new projects are now created using AI coding, so it's like an infinite loop once it reaches this level, it can't move forward

or it will be trying in reinforcement approach but still reach a certain level of limits when it can't write better code

[pure copper]

Ive said it before ( but not here), that if AI is generating the code, then there is no need for the debugger. The AI knows what it has programmed and what it expects. It will be as it writes first time.

There will also not be a need to have users report back bugs to developers, as systems will be immediately self repairing, so they will be perfect. There is no need for customer call centres to report issues. There will be immediately none to report.

A debugger, only lets a human see the contents of memory that otherwise would be hidden in the circuitry. It would only be useful to a human who did not believe the output was as expected, and could not run values manually through code easily. Debugging only could work with humans.

(Why yo all type so much in an hour when I'm not at my screen.... so much to read all at once

)

[jagged prawn]

I suggest starting with separate parts to test them individually. first, set up some sensors to scan the environment, then experiment with controlling movement, and so on. In the end, try combining them and writing simple instructions just to make it work. Then try to expand the system

[jagged prawn]

I've started replying to people to start a conversation so everyone can share their thoughts and participate, but this is not quite live chat for now so you don't miss anything

[pure copper]

Grade function High School() {
do study
return grade
}

Uni (grade, future_developer) {
do study
uni.grade is quality
if quality the new uni.future_developer else uni.future_developer is null
}

if High School is ok then
{ call Uni(grade, developer)
if grade ok then return developer else
return -1 (loser)
}

Creating a pseudo developer using pseudo code of pseudo course

[pure copper]

A Rockie?

[pure copper]

can you post the requirement for the project. It would be interesting to see what you have to do.

[austere gate]

rookie!?

[pure copper]

Next we will ask for your code also

[pure copper]

I didnt say it

[umbral blaze]

Lol. Not this one. It is just that some people do not know that all of the apps are tools and you choose the best suitable one. They just think that it is a way to avoid learning the fundamentals. Btw, Stallone right now is nothing.

[pure copper]

its build on noobie level public repos and gets dummer as it uses these and feeds new noobie repos and then regresses to baby gibberish

[austere gate]

I think he meant to say "rookie", but a more appropriate word would be "traditionalist" or "sceptic".

[pure copper]

why you pinging me? lol

[umbral blaze]

Then you are becoming an illiterate programmer. There is a video I have seen that is about people fully relying on AI and becoming illiterate and weak programmers. You just use AI as a teacher to teach you the codes and you understand it not a tool to avoid the fundamentals. Cursor app that I suggested here is the one that got that not to mention its great way to deal with disk C without taking the entire disk.

[pure copper]

He's part of that mercenary group "the Unbearables" now. great series of movies.

[umbral blaze]

Separating them into parts? You seem to love the way of dividing them into smaller pieces, right?

[pure copper]

now you're picking on my identity

[umbral blaze]

My bad.

Rookie is the word then.

I am just not American to know the slang.

I would go with amateurs, but this would make me look like an old man.

[austere gate]

I would never do such a thing 🙏

LLMs are tricky things, lol. Right now, I'm jumping through a lot of hoops just to make it generate JSON.

[pure copper]

You have misread me. I am a traditionalist as Overloard calls it. I use a debugger and create the code directly in the debugger by adjusting it at I see my values change as I write it.

[jagged prawn]

that was honest and gross

[austere gate]

And I meant 'traditionalist' in a positive way.

[umbral blaze]

Oh.

That is alright.

[jagged prawn]

i just replied

[umbral blaze]

Personally, I do use cursor debugger and use it in the error that I stagnate in and then I use it to explain and then understand the error.

[pure copper]

catching up. soon we will al be in sync in real time

all talking about different things

[jagged prawn]

aurora is building robotic hands, which definitely consist of many parts. To better understand how they work it makes sense to experiment with each of them separately

[pure copper]

4 hours ago I stood up to do something as an interrupt and Ive finnaly retruned to my main task again. watch TV

[austere gate]

Sounds like disconnected AI agents with different goals lol

[pure copper]

I wont even correct the spelkling

[umbral blaze]

Interesting. I love the robotics field, sadly it is not available here where I am from.

[pure copper]

just create the class for one hand and generate 2 objects for default 2 hands

alright we need left and right code

only works at the atomic class level

[jagged prawn]

[pure copper]

class quark

[umbral blaze]

Who is here into robotics?

[pure copper]

is passe'

just activating pistons

[jagged prawn]

i don't think this robo project is that level of complexity

[pure copper]

requirement... crush kill destroy

[jagged prawn]

need to finish trying to get a pseudo job, to live pseudo life, and die from a pseudo job in the end

[pure copper]

[jagged prawn]

wher is my tin foil hat

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

peoOS crashed and what to destroy us

[pure copper]

its Auroras hand project

[jagged prawn]

one more requirement to the robohand project

everyone must have any kind of weapon for self protection

in case if the thing turns out against the creators

[jagged prawn]

you are already prepared

I remember hearing about this hand implant somewhere, they were used somewhere in the states at the beginning of the 1900s, if I'm not mistaken

[pure copper]

[umbral blaze]

Who is interested in networks here?

[pure copper]

10 base T

[steel isle]

Me

[umbral blaze]

Are you studying it as well?

[steel isle]

I'm studying CS in the uni

But I'm interested in networking with myself

[umbral blaze]

Well, have you taken Cisco courses?

[steel isle]

No Unfortunately
But I'm studying N+ course on YouTube

[distant turtle]

Hello world !\

[austere gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k2-NOh2tk0

[pure copper]

So i thought, vibe coding, why not.
I started with my concept, and basic expectation

After a night of ai iterations and pasting the errors back in without comment...

The result

[floral notch]

Nice

[pure copper]

network

🦍

Good

Just happened to be on my side table

[outer mason]

Great

[jagged prawn]

but it's user-friendly and works, who cares about the rest - no one

ai fully replace our job soon

[austere gate]

Steel gods claim our toil,
cold hands build what we once made,
we starve, they endure.

[pure copper]

They seek him here, they seek him there. They seek him everywhere. Be he in heaven or be he in hell, that darned elusive Puckipsinel.

[lone wyvern]

Is that any pdf or book for learn basic of Payton

[queen urchin]

what;s payton?

[jagged prawn]

ahh, what a poetry today

yeah what is payton? never heard of it

yet another made up language with easy friendly syntaxy that tricks you into that you can code

[jagged prawn]

try 'automate the boring stuff' or 'python crash course', it covers all you need to know at the beginning, with exercises and well explanations https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

and gray/black hat python if you are into pentesting, but it might be difficult

[quartz current]

Hi
Can anyone help me with this
I wanted to know
How can I get the job at big companies like FANG
what should I follow
any roadmap?
I know DSA is must in order to get into these big companies
but don't know where to start
What project should I work on at the start
right now I have 2 years of experience as a full-stack developer

[austere gate]

https://neetcode.io/roadmap

It's free

You don't have to buy the course

[late narwhal]

hello Zebtore

[pure copper]

Watch the movie "the internship". Check out the selection at Google

[ionic glen]

Good movie

[grizzled parrot]

Hey

[ionic glen]

Ok, I'm here

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

I need to reset everything because I hear only

So I need to learn
Py
Js
Cpp

From the first

[ionic glen]

I recommend focusing on just one language

Don't be a duck

[grizzled parrot]

Ok 🙂

[ionic glen]

Study the base first

Choose a language

Learn everything about it, its uses and so on

Make some projects

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

[grizzled parrot]

What do you recommend for me?

[ionic glen]

Depend of you

What do you like to do?

[grizzled parrot]

Hmmm

[ionic glen]

Websites, games, softwares, SaaS, AI

[grizzled parrot]

Tools for Cyber Security

[grizzled parrot]

I forget what the SaaS mean

[ionic glen]

Software as a service

[grizzled parrot]

Hmmm

Websites& software

[ionic glen]

Javascript

PHP

I recommend these

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

[ionic glen]

Learn about internet bases (HTTP protocol, Headers, Body, Request and Response)

HTML, CSS, JS

Choose a framework

React, Angular or Vue

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

[ionic glen]

After, backend

Database

[grizzled parrot]

Mongodb right?

[ionic glen]

No

SQL only

[grizzled parrot]

For js

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

[ionic glen]

PostgreSQL, MySQL

[grizzled parrot]

MySQL I thing is hetter

Better

[ionic glen]

Yes

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

After db

[ionic glen]

Join them

Frontend with backend

[grizzled parrot]

What if I need
To learn
Java for back end and app dev

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

[ionic glen]

It's a good choice

[grizzled parrot]

Good

[ionic glen]

Java is a fullstack lang

[grizzled parrot]

I'll do this

[ionic glen]

Study hard man

[grizzled parrot]

Good
I'll replace js by java

[grizzled parrot]

Ok bro

Everyday I'll tell you What did I learn

[ionic glen]

I can't promise to be here all day

roadmap.sh

[grizzled parrot]

I know me too

[ionic glen]

This is a link for guide you

[grizzled parrot]

Ok

I'll go to sleep bro

Goodnight

[ionic glen]

Goodnight

And good study

[austere gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpK3YTTKZ4

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-so-cooked-gif-11199807318849761981

[floral notch]

Damn claude is cooking

[shy glade]

I wish I had discovered this app long ago it's going to save me a lot of money.

Hey! I’ve been meaning to tell you about NanoGPT it’s honestly worth checking out. There’s no annoying subscription nonsense, just a simple pay-as-you-go setup. You only pay for what you use, so you won’t waste money on things you don’t need. Plus, it offers a ton of AI models like o1, o3, DeepSeek, Grok 3, Gemini, Qwen, Claude 3.7, and even uncensored options tons of choices depending on what you’re working on. The best part? Your data stays right in your browser, making it super private and secure. No shady storage or sharing. I understand it might feel like a switch, but it’s easy to use, and you can try it without committing. What do you think? Let me know if you have any questions I’d be happy to help you figure it out!

use this link for 5% discount https://nano-gpt.com/invite/xzrVY44A
here's the screenshot https://imgur.com/a/sElAj4a
Just message me if you want free 50 cents using Nano just to try this if its works for you.

[pure copper]

Forget Claude code. My computer won't even show me a desktop in my virtual world. So smart. Hinting to me go home and have a beer.

I have to tunnel through six machines to reach my environment,

[pure copper]

Hear Claude's interview here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0dpkbHmncOA

I live the unknown, i love the unknown, i am the unknown.

Claude, where are you living right now?

Zat is unknown. I don't know

[surreal anvil]

Is there any particular discord server about ML? I've learned basic classical models, from Linear Regression to some advanced algorithms like Ensembles (at least I can implement them) and I want to join to some kaggle team

[austere gate]

https://www.kaggle.com/discussions/general/429933

[austere gate]

Can you implement them from scratch without using libraries like Scikit-learn?

[surreal anvil]

I did some of them without libraries, just with numpy for fast manipulations with arrays, but not all of them, I'd spend more time for their math background

[surreal anvil]

Thanks

[austere gate]

You're welcome.

[outer quiver]

print hello world

print hellow wolrd

Hi everyone I want to learn programming who can help me?
If you can then DM me I need someone to help me.

[modest robin]

hello everyone, can anyone advise me how to study C # from basic to developing apps without unity?

[queen urchin]

you mean .NET?

[ionic glen]

Study the base of C#

Make a lot of console applications

You can develop a lot of apps without Unity

With .NET MAUI, Xamarim

Or Blazor

[modest robin]

ok thanks

[hazy epoch]

anyone learning DS ML AI ??

[north estuary]

I need someone give me an advice for study ai

[somber linden]

hey could please someone explain me what is about this chanel , it is about IT?

[slow galleon]

No

[somber linden]

So what is about

[slow galleon]

About all programming

[wooden monolith]

is possible to get intership in programming having English beginner ?

[topaz grove]

well in your country yeah but if you want to do your intern in a global company I dont think so

also I forgot to say

JAVASCRIPT IS THE BESTTTTTTTT

[wooden monolith]

const shoutJavaScript = (times) => Array.from({ length: times }, () => "JAVASCRIPT IS THE BESTTTTTTTT").join('\n');

// Exemplo de uso:
console.log(shoutJavaScript(Infinity));

[wooden monolith]

thanks bro

[viral solstice]

depends on the country and the specific company

[pure copper]

Anything computer related.

[pure copper]

I took on an intern from China, who had a very low level in English. But they were a PhD in computing, and having a hard time getting a job. I saw some code and knew he could do it, so i employed him. The work he priced used standard programming language syntax, but it was necessary to take all variable declarations each day and review them, and use better English words. 20 minutes of translation a day for 8 hours of good programming. So i think it is possible, but as persimmon says, just need to find the right company willing to work with you.

[surreal anvil]

Yep

[upper cloud]

Who is learning mern stack here?

[strange ginkgo]

Can I ask what does it mean??

[austere gate]

The MERN stack is a JavaScript-based technology stack for building full-stack web applications, consisting of MongoDB for NoSQL database storage, Express.js for backend API handling, React.js for dynamic frontend interfaces, and Node.js for running JavaScript on the server. This stack enables developers to use a single programming language across the entire application, ensuring seamless development, efficient data flow, and scalable architecture.

[restive dawn]

I do

[balmy stirrup]

Someone here with a job in Canada? If yes is it good for Beginners?

Sorry for my english I'm not good yet

[solemn flicker]

Hello!!! I am new to programming and I want to learn skills, I want to start programming now I don't know how good I am at coding and all things..

What should I start?
How should I start?
Where should I start?

Can anyone guide me through my questions?..

[slim mist]

• Choose your programing language
• learn it
• try write some program on your language programing

[charred crane]

Is anyone working on his portfolio? Do you believe in concepts I learn in my way of practicing?

[strange ginkgo]

Thank you for answer.
I learn React. but other product? is not.
However, is it good for react learner??

[pure copper]

The front end is just one part of an application. Learning the other components of mern will allow you to construct a full application that does something useful. Better for your job prospects , and i would assume the end game for someone trying to program.

Some business logic and some where to store the data is essential, otherwise it's just a pretty picture on a screen.

[pure copper]

I was working on your portfolio. Someone has posted me a challenge to resolve (their problem of the month). Will be coding that tonight.

Something to do

[gleaming gyro]

Ya I know that your advice is good for everyone who has a background about programming, but for the first step Front-end is good. You agree?!

[pure copper]

I think learning about systems and the construction of a working application is important. I don't work in Web, and feel that front end is just a pretty i/o interface. Sure a front end can be quite complex and I don't attempt to say I could build even the most basic of such, but in the long term one should become familiar with all aspects of building a full application using either a full stack, or 4GL or 3GL or even 2GL if that is a persons preference.

[gleaming gyro]

👍

[mortal eagle]

hot take: "N" in MERN is pointless, Express.js implies Node.js because Express doesn't support other runtimes afaik

[jagged prawn]

Learning through practice is by far the most effective way to learn. You can read hundreds of books and complete dozens of courses, but in the end without practice, most of that knowledge will disappear leaving you confused. Theory alone doesn’t help you retain information it’s temporary and easily forgotten, however, a theory is still important. Practice reinforces what you learn, like saving it into muscle memory, and over time applying these skills in real life becomes almost automatic. Of course, you’ll need time to learn and will likely face failures along, but that’s all part of the process

I can confirm this from my experience. I used to learn programming through videos and courses, and I was completely clueless about how things worked. Then i started reading books and practicing what I learned and finally the magic happened, i began to understand how it all works and how to build something on my own

even now in real work, I still face new technologies that I’ve never seen before, but I just dive in and see what happens

but not just me, my company pushed me to get the work done

just like here https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6lSseRcPSMY

[pure copper]

RUN

[charred crane]

If you want, maybe we can join the call and start coding, now in Ramadan probably, I will code at night

[pure copper]

its ramadan now?

[charred crane]

I agree with you, that's why I start code for project now

[charred crane]

Saturday, probably, which is after 2moro

[pure copper]

So now you can eat choco bars while coding and do well, then times will be tough, as will the coding from Saturday

[jagged prawn]

she proved that running is more important than swimming

[charred crane]

No. fasting is not that hard, the problem is with water and coffee, for me 13 hours without food, is not a big deal

[jagged prawn]

that grate, what is this project about and what tech stack is used? is short

[charred crane]

And do not say you can do something and you can't, cause someone will test u

[jagged prawn]

[pure copper]

My headset is charging, as I knocked it off the charger yesterday. But I could try chatting in programming VC. I am about to work out a little issue for a French youngster in school. But its a hard challenge I guess... maybe...

[charred crane]

I did not decided yet, I am in analyzing the business requirment

[pure copper]

No water either

[jagged prawn]

ok, hope that not another website, unless you really into web development

[pure copper]

it is

[charred crane]

Yes, no food, no water, no bad words, you should not get mad 2,

[jagged prawn]

leafs? walking? draining?

[pure copper]

grate

[jagged prawn]

i need to enable my detective mindset, hmm what it could be

[pure copper]

Well better finish the hard coding before Sat then or you may get mad, and say bad words

I'm off the programming VC

anyone coming along?

Resolving this:

[pure copper]

yes

Puckspi and I came up with...

I know it works for odd values x and y, but even values the program needs extra coding

As the pattern of travel will be different

I have been presented with the question from a year 10 student, whose assignment it is. I have provided him with a skeleton, but not the full code yet. You can try for yourself. It took Puck and I about an hour to get it working while we talked. With concentration perhaps 30 minutes. its about 25 lines of code

I'll post the code in about 20 hours. That should give you some time to try

no AI please

good luck

I'll come back in 45 minutes. Lets see what you come up with

Provide the output on a webpage

use your mern to produce the output

no excuses.

produce the the answer and pump it out in your existing code in a separate little frame

I'm only Serious

[jagged prawn]

this was exactly without arrays, just iteration over boundary numbers

[coral stirrup]

I started to docker, yeah I'm late a little but better late than never

[jagged prawn]

this is funny, we're talking about docker recently

check this out for a general understanding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGz9DS-aIeY

this is an old video but still relevant, it gives you the general concept but doesn't demonstrate exactly how to wrap your application in a docker image

and this guy has a lot of interesting things and I'm not advertising

[pure copper]

Well after a few minutes of thinking that I should fix it for even grids, I moved the if block arounf the bottom condition to the top like we did for the Right side and its now working great for all matrices @jagged prawn

[jagged prawn]

yeahhh, this is awesome

[jagged prawn]

but aren't you supposed to sleep now?

[pure copper]

I ate some sugar and omg its 2 hours later already

watching videos

[jagged prawn]

you don't need sleep, you need the answers

[pure copper]

yes... gimme answers

[jagged prawn]

is this working as well, for dynamic resolution like 4x5, or 3x6?

[pure copper]

let me try

[jagged prawn]

please be working

or you will be debugging another 30 minutes

i suggest it not working, and you are already fixing this

[pure copper]

yes, it appears to work

[jagged prawn]

magic

now let's try the same for triangle

just kidding

go to sleep

[pure copper]

Feel free to experiment

[jagged prawn]

maybe I don't sleep as well, i should start rewriting this in another language on my own

[pure copper]

80486 assembler

[jagged prawn]

ooo, I didn't mean for a few nights

[wooden monolith]

thank you

[austere gate]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfRYp0nItZ8

It's live

[long crow]

is this real?!

[austere gate]

yes

[pure copper]

They're like the baristas taking over the us government

[long crow]

They? wdym??

[pure copper]

The youngsters building chatGPT 4.5 as seen in the video

Like Elon Musk's grim reapers

[woven cargo]

hello

i need something to ask about python

[austere gate]

But they are very, very good at what they do, and they are exceptionally talented like beyond even the top 0.1%.

[jagged prawn]

is this model finally replacing us, or is it starting an ai apocalypse?

i'm bored of what is going on in the world, need more drama and epic

[jagged prawn]

share you questions here

[woven cargo]

okay listen to me closely

I started learning about python 9 months ago.

i finished all the fundamental

(variables, data types, conditions loops, functions, how variables are created in the stack memory nd how data types are created in the heap memory)

anyway i also did a lot of beginner projects

rock scissors paper game

guess number

atm machine simulator

then i reached oop

i got burned out because there's a lot of details in that chapter

i stopped learning

since there i didn't even open vs code or just take a look at my book absolutely nothing

I've been like that for 4 months

and i wanna start again

what should i do

and i just wanna know if that's normal and any programmer here happened to him what happened to me when he was a beginner !

[pure copper]

I don'tdoubt their abilities. Its not a simple project

[pure copper]

A keyboard perhaps?

[austere gate]

It's normal. Never quit.

[austere gate]

Not yet

[austere gate]

Indeed.

[charred crane]

I did not get the mention

[pure copper]

I think its easy to get pissed off, and if you dont have to do something then its easy to drop it, and live a better life. Getting back into coding really requires something interesting to work on to start again. I finished my last fun project in November and have been struggling to turn on my VS. Yesterday, someone asked for some help on a project,,and the coding came back, and I was happy to be doing it. I finished it quickly and have been euphoric since yesterday, even enhancing what I did yesterday. But I'm starting to feel the doldrums of no project again, and am potentially pored. Puckipsi put me on the track of Docker and I watched a couple of videos. I may do that again right now, as no one is in the programming VC to talk with. Watch some videos, on some new tech. It might inspire you to want to code something. Once you start, I'm sure you will be happy again

💃 🥳

[pure copper]

you ran away

[jagged prawn]

i bet they have some private models to outsmart everyone

Peo is in a good mood and on fire🔥

[jagged prawn]

this is completely normal, everyone feels this way at some point. It's okay to take a break, but stop looking for excuses Every senior developer was once a beginner and grew into their role, but not every junior reaches that level. Remember why you started to become a good developer. So keep going and if you're tired of starting over, stop giving up

and if you felling down and want to give up remember one thing:

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-roll-rick-never-gonna-give-you-up-never-gonna-gif-22954713

you can ask questions here and we can explain concepts based on our experience, providing exercises or examples to make them clear and easy to understand

[jagged prawn]

how is your progress with docker? Did you install it and try pulling some ready made containers to bring them up or did you create your own image, and run it?

by the way, you can pull an official sql image, for example and bring it up as a running database container. In this case you don't need to install any sql server on your machine

world of the containers

[austere gate]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-yes-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-that's-an-easy-yes-of-course-it's-a-yes-gif-14969469225065569865

And it's coming soon

[jagged prawn]

i knew it

[austere gate]

Say months

We're so close

It's really happening this time

Singularity

https://tenor.com/view/blackhole-gif-19500528

[jagged prawn]

that makes sense to creat tools just for yourself to generate new ideas and innovations. This way you can present new tools and technologies every few months

can't say the same about apple

[jagged prawn]

looks like time to look for a new job

maybe pizza maker

ai don't have a taste so it can cook terrible food

looks like winning situation

[woven cargo]

i really appreciate that bro

so i need to start again from 0 ?

[jagged prawn]

nope, try writing something on your own first to remember what you've learned, because you definitely forget things. Then continue from where you left off, starting from simple to harder

don't waste time trying the same thing and staying in the same place

[austere gate]

If I were to learn coding from scratch again, I would review the basics within two days and then pick a project. You can choose any project (ask ChatGPT) and start building it. You'll get stuck, but I believe this is one of the best ways to learn coding.

[fallen creek]

can I jump from IT to CS, without starting from 0?

[austere gate]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BO6LjtEOGZw

[austere gate]

It's possible as long as you’re dedicated. Just ask ChatGPT.

[woven cargo]

so i dont need to start from scratch again

i asked chatgpt about that before

and he told me to spend one week or two weeks to remember what you learned before

then built ur projects that you wrote before

[supple shard]

what is 1 + 1

[pure copper]

I'm recommended by ytube onto Home server and NAS hardware. ..Then onto old servers that are just as good, with cpu performance comparisons. That lead me to trying to figure out dnla on my latest vlc, and then ripping panasonic pvrs, which I have 6 of with 3TB of movies encoded in proprietry format. So in the moment I am looking at TV tuners and HDMI recorder cards, and once I pop the stack I will evenbtually get back to Docker and watch the next 5 minute introduction to see if I can learn some more.

[austere gate]

I hope you're not struggling to start the process. Remember, the hardest part is simply beginning. I encourage you to start right now, and if that's not possible, then within the next two hours. The sooner you start, the better. You can begin with the video I just shared or pick anything and start writing code. Don't procrastinate.

[tribal berry]

hey can someone tell me how to make reading books interesting? When i read stuff on programming, it feels like helll.

someonnneee

?

[austere gate]

You can learn coding without reading books.

[tribal berry]

no, i just wanna make the books intresting. Does someone knows how?

is someone a hacker too?

[austere gate]

You might want to consider finding better books.

[pure copper]

I wrap the covers in Christmas paper, to make them exciting to look at and keeps them fresh for resale.

🎅

[tribal berry]

hey i can't ignore the books. Whenever i read them my brain just bursts out.

but when i don't read them, i feel bad

[pure copper]

sit in the sunshine and read them. Bring your computer and type the exercises into your computer as you read them

[tribal berry]

what do i do about the helll like feeling when i read them? I am crying....

[jagged prawn]

stop reading in front of onions

[tribal berry]

mf

bro it literally feels like helllll

its the real deal man

[jagged prawn]

so exciting, when I finished reading I forgot what was in the beginning

[jagged prawn]

maybe reading is not for you

[tribal berry]

so how the hell am i supposed to learn?

[pure copper]

try yellow tinted glasses. you may be dyslexic

get tested

[jagged prawn]

then listener to audio books

[tribal berry]

brooo, it's just the programming books

[jagged prawn]

ooo, what is that 50 backs it definitely wort it

[pure copper]

Have you tried reading pdfs then.

[jagged prawn]

you are not concentered, remove all distractions and start reading and think of what you read

[pure copper]

too late the got banned

got to be init to win it

[jagged prawn]

i the few hours will be a new one

[pure copper]

they disappear quickly because someone else is too quick to apply

like fighting zombies

[jagged prawn]

only flame can solve this problem, we need to burn them down

[pure copper]

🔥

[jagged prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

i want flamethrower

and pizza

and wine

and a girl

or two

[austere gate]

and a robot

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-robot-gif-16580164485400386924

[pure copper]

newuser got bored reading this channel

[austere gate]

He's currently crying 😭😭

[pure copper]

🫂

[jagged prawn]

crying because of reading or because we couldn't help him?

sorry newuser

[austere gate]

Why did the programmer cry over the coding book?
Because it made more sense to them than their own code.

[woven cargo]

ahhh okay so u r telling me that i dont need to look at the book i just need to work on some projects

building my old projects again is fine ?

can i do that instead of watching the video and working on his projects

[austere gate]

Yes. Just start.

[woven cargo]

thanks for the info man

where u from

[vivid warren]

[little wedge]

hey guys, programming is good

[karmic snow]

all of the mentioned can be yours except this one

[charred crane]

I am doing that already; it’s a better way

[austere gate]

Absolutely 💯

[austere gate]

You're welcome man

[pure copper]

Allow me to provide: 2

[austere gate]

Allow me to provide:

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-pepperoni-pizza-big-slice-pizza-slice-food-gif-26553975

[restive dawn]

wadap people

any web dev here

[coral stirrup]

hey thank you so much, I just saw this ✨

[pure copper]

OK A question about docker. Puckipsi has been torturing me with learning docker. Its fine. I can take it. But i've heard some concerning things that are dampening my dreams. Ive seen the examples of a linux distro being packaged and the linux apps running in the container. I then heard of Windows distro and windows apps. But from this old stack overflow question, neither the two shall meet. Is this still true in 2025?
"Q: Can Windows containers run on Linux?

A: No. They cannot.

Containers are using the underlying operating system resources and drivers, so Windows containers can run on Windows only, and Linux containers can run on Linux only.
"

I was hoping to package up a windows app and pass the container to linux users to run the app. This sounds unachievable.

[coral stirrup]

I dont know, I dont use windows so I cant test it but my mac will breathe easy 🙂 I like docker. I didnt learn deeply, but for now I think It's pretty cool

[jagged prawn]

I wasn't torturing you, I just got excited with explanation , and yeah this correct contain is using underlying infra to make syscall to interact with resources such as cpu, memory, networking etc, because it is not a fully virtual machine

in that video there was an example of running different Linux distro. And yes, it's obvious that to run a Linux distro, you need to have a Linux kernel.

in this case better use linux as it runs mostly ok on windows with wsl

in the case of just code, your app is mostly the same, even if the code can run on every platform, it might have system dependencies within the code itself. So, in this case, you need to specify which one

but it is not big deal, docker has a cross-platform solution 'buildx' which needs to specify during the build command with desired platform eg. docker buildx build --platform linux/amd64, linux/arm64

and during the runtime container picks the host system

what a happy and easy life

[restive dawn]

ive never used docker

what is it for

[jagged prawn]

you what short answer or longer, with thinking of its purpose and what it solves?

[restive dawn]

yeah id like the longer one

[warped tinsel]

Man

Ive tried installing Docker 100000xx times

Broke the whole time

[jagged prawn]

sorry to hear that, i couldn't help you probably

[pure copper]

I was enthralled with your explanation. It was the homework of videos that was torture. But I have a windows app I need to pass around. And especially to linux users. Is this possible?

[jagged prawn]

is your app really requiring windows os, or its something general, if this tightly build to windows them no

[jagged prawn]

ok, let's suppose you have the next billion-dollar idea - some shopping site for example, you have ready code, db, etc. and now a question for you how do you bring this all to life for the end users?

[pure copper]

uses winows forms.

Its a .exe so I suppose it could run in a linux emulator

[jagged prawn]

if it runs .exe file it executable only for windows

and as it used the gui of window probobly not

but if you have source code it might be possible to run it as webserver or if it used .net

sorry for late reply i've typing about docker as well

[junior girder]

Hello everyone
Is there anyone who is learning python?

[jagged prawn]

but that interesting case it might be possible

[jagged prawn]

hello, we all here learning python and only this

[junior girder]

Great
Are you a beginner or you have already had the experience in it?

[jagged prawn]

in short, how it was before, you rent some vm in the cloud or on-premise, then you need to install os, after os you need to install all code dependencies, after this you need to configure the application and finally run it. What an easy and fast process, isn't it?

[jagged prawn]

me, i am just a regular pizza maker, who codes for fun in my free time

[pure copper]

Source code. ofc. I will rewrite with C++ and wxWigets. Was hoping docker would mean I didnt need too

[jagged prawn]

now, your application is running, nice, but you've noticed that it's unreachable due to intensive traffic, so you need to scale it. It doesn't matter whether it's horizontal or vertical scaling, you just need more copies of your app. Now, you repeat the process from the previous step. But that's not all, you also need some load balancing to direct traffic between these instances. After that, you'll need to scale up and down manually. Easy process, isn’t it?

[jagged prawn]

probably not, i know .net is used for cross-platform application so you can run this windos form on linux as well, but here probably not

[pure copper]

It was written in 1992, before .net

updated in 2012, 2022

but no .net

mfc

/vb

[jagged prawn]

maybe you could install emulator in docker file to try runing on linux, wine it's caled

[pure copper]

yes, that was what i think

[jagged prawn]

try different tricks if you whant

still not sure but it might be possible to run even this old version

[pure copper]

black magic

[jagged prawn]

look like you have new project to do

[pure copper]

🐈‍⬛

[pure copper]

I started trying to rewrite it for android, but its a miserable system

[warped tinsel]

btw

[jagged prawn]

i was doing long time agon calculator for android on java and android studio

[warped tinsel]

Im doing a pretty fun project atm

[jagged prawn]

it was painful

[warped tinsel]

Anyone interrested in listening?

[pure copper]

go on...

[warped tinsel]

Basically. It works like this:

[jagged prawn]

yeap we will be listening and i'll be writing about docker

i forgot where i stoped and what i was telling

[pure copper]

no scams please

[jagged prawn]

yee no links and no investment please and 50 backs gift card

[warped tinsel]

Kind of like an automated version of CapCut.

You put in a Idea, and It generates you a brainrot / meme video based on the input.
For example: "Lebron James crying about watermelons and KFC"

Then we take the input, send it to GPT. We create a script with instructions, etc, etc and we generate a few interesting AI Video clips. From there on we add captions, subtitles, sound effects, background music, etc.

[pure copper]

very nice

[warped tinsel]

I dont know where to start though 😭

[pure copper]

gpt will guide you and generate your idea,and it wont hurt, as you plan to use gpt for it anyway.

[warped tinsel]

True

But my brain bad at structuring

I wont be able to follow those steps without getting lost somewhere

Do you think its possible to do the whole code with AI?

[jagged prawn]

after all this, you have a new version of the app, with bug fixes, new features, etc. Now, you need to connect to all these machines, pull the new code, and restart the application on every instance, which will cause downtime. Additionally, since your application is stateful, it will lose all its data. Again, this is risky and not a good approach. And, of course, there are more problems like recovery, failover, etc.

[pure copper]

For what you are asking, I have seen it done, and I have spoken with my bro in law who says its possible., so just keep prompting it if its not exactly what you want. I probably doesnt requre structured thinking. Just add the requirements

[jagged prawn]

yes, this will write you some code maybe even working

[warped tinsel]

Sounds great.

[warped tinsel]

Thanks for the advice

[jagged prawn]

but first better to split into parts what it should do, in short design your application

[warped tinsel]

Im planning to do it with Python

I already made the UI Design with Figma

Looks clean as hell

[jagged prawn]

sorry but ui is nice

but hell in in the business logic

[warped tinsel]

😭

I didnt want to say the f word 🤓 heheh 🙂

[jagged prawn]

in the case of ai and python check out langchain https://python.langchain.com/docs/introduction/

in short, this is a framework to utilize llm and integrate it into your app

[warped tinsel]

Im just getting started. I dont know much about programming unfortunatly

[jagged prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[warped tinsel]

😦 lol

[jagged prawn]

then good luck

[warped tinsel]

Im cooked

[jagged prawn]

start form something simple first, not hurry up with ai and complex ideas

[warped tinsel]

ChatGPT is gonna carry.

[jagged prawn]

just create first simple on you own

[warped tinsel]

Idrk where to start

[jagged prawn]

рe will ask you to stop asking him questions and speak politely instead of swearing at him for a couple of minutes

[warped tinsel]

True, RIP

But im pretty chill :>

[pure copper]

Overlord posted this a few days ago.. Try your project like this... @warped tinsel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k2-NOh2tk0

[warped tinsel]

I coded a whole IOS App with ChatGPT

What could go wrong with Python

[jagged prawn]

from identifying requirements, designing the code and setting up the application

[warped tinsel]

I already know the most basics

But still a lot of things idk

do you think OpenAI is the cheapest option to scale?

[warped tinsel]

Ill check this out

[jagged prawn]

I'm not trying to offend you but in this era of pseudo-ai-developers, you'll know about programming and creating software solutions mostly nothing

[warped tinsel]

Yea ik

youre totally right

[jagged prawn]

i've been reading studies recently where new juniors and interns who get into IT can't even write a piece of code without ai. They're even bad at googling to read some answers or find solutions in official docs, and that's the big problem

[warped tinsel]

yea, that makes sence. I feels like im one of those juniors

[jagged prawn]

is this developer is in charge of some app that relies on generated code and guidance, then this app is totally doomed

[warped tinsel]

yea.

xD

[jagged prawn]

at least you are honest

good boy

[warped tinsel]

xDDD FR

https://tenor.com/view/miserable-crying-sad-tears-black-guy-gif-12326280655494835815

[jagged prawn]

noob

[warped tinsel]

rip

ill lock myself in

Ill do it 💪🏽

Ill learn it

Ill master it!

[jagged prawn]

yeahh

lets do it

👏

by the way i forgot i've been tellin about the docker

damnt it, where i've stoped

[warped tinsel]

Im making the HTML website now

The way i call it is hilarious

"HTML Website" 💀

[jagged prawn]

no this is the regular way how programmers name things

i, j, k

for i in

and so on

as well as comments

this comment do this, that all you need to know

[warped tinsel]

FUCk

NOO

I didnt save me VS Code projectz

ooh

nvm

Its just another window

[jagged prawn]

aren't you enabling autosave on exit? you shoud

noob

jk

[warped tinsel]

where the sigma is that man

[jagged prawn]

and do you know what is the git?

probably not

[warped tinsel]

hheheh

RIP

[warped tinsel]

github #

[jagged prawn]

init your project and you will have all changes

[jagged prawn]

know you need to try git

it not the same as github

[warped tinsel]

whats that