💻｜programming

[tall verge]

K.

[oblique oar]

from random import randint
from hashlib import sha512

with open("flag.txt",'r') as f:
    flag = f.read()

questions = []
answers = []
with open('questions.txt','r') as f:
    for x in f.readlines():
        a = x.split('\t')
        questions.append(a[0])
        answers.append(a[1][:-1])

# P521 curvezzzz
p = 6864797660130609714981900799081393217269435300143305409394463459185543183397656052122559640661454554977296311391480858037121987999716643812574028291115057151
a = 6864797660130609714981900799081393217269435300143305409394463459185543183397656052122559640661454554977296311391480858037121987999716643812574028291115057148
b = 1093849038073734274511112390766805569936207598951683748994586394495953116150735016013708737573759623248592132296706313309438452531591012912142327488478985984
Gx = 2661740802050217063228768716723360960729859168756973147706671368418802944996427808491545080627771902352094241225065558662157113545570916814161637315895999846
Gy = 3757180025770020463545507224491183603594455134769762486694567779615544477440556316691234405012945539562144444537289428522585666729196580810124344277578376784
E = EllipticCurve(GF(p), [a, b])
G = E(Gx, Gy)
n = 6864797660130609714981900799081393217269435300143305409394463459185543183397655394245057746333217197532963996371363321113864768612440380340372808892707005449
k = randint(1,n-1)
d = randint(1,n-1)
Pub = d*G

def menu():
    print("\nWhat service would you like?")
    print("\t1. Question")
    print("\t2. Flag")
    print("\t3. Quit")

def sign():
    index = randint(0,len(questions)-1)
    question = questions[index]
    answer = "What is "+answers[index].upper()+"?"
    m_hash = int(sha512(answer.encode()).hexdigest(), 16)
    P = k*G
    r = int(P[0]) % n
    s = ((m_hash + (r*d))/k)%n
    print(f"Here is the question: {question}\nAnd here is the signature: ({r}, {s})")

def get_flag():
    print("Please give the message")
    message = input("")
    for a in answers:
        if a.casefold() in message.casefold():
            print("I can't have you using the answer of one of the questions as the message!")
            quit()
    print("Please give the r value of the signature")
    r_given = int(input(""))
    print("Please give the s value of the signature")
    s_given = int(input(""))
    m_hash = int(sha512(message.encode()).hexdigest(), 16)
    P = k*G
    r = int(P[0]) % n
    s = ((m_hash + (r*d))/k)%n
    if r == r_given and s == s_given:
        print(f"As promised, here's your flag --> {flag}")
        quit()
    else:
        print("Not the right signature. HAHAHA!")

def main():
    print(f"Welcome to my ECDSA Jeopardy!\nHere is the public key:\nPublic key = {Pub}\nI'll sign the answers and give them to you.")
    while True:
        menu()
        choice = int(input(""))
        if choice == 1:
            sign()
        elif choice == 2:
            get_flag()
        elif choice == 3:
            quit()
        else:
            print("Invalid choice. Please try again.")

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

just a funny script i wrote, find the vulnerability in it !

[pure copper]

From the job today. For two months a project has been trying to get me to test a system i own. It's barely surviving in production, but they want me to test it in the test environment as they are changing the environment and want to ensure it will still work. However the test system fails to start. For two months plus they have been trying to get it to even display the main page.

So here again from the project team. Please just see if any page will show, and we will call that success. Even if you can't get any other functionality.

🙅‍♀️

[pure copper]

i was dozing off thinking this is too long to read, when yu mention ... vulnerability omg

[fallow citrus]

I got it, I joined a program about software testing. Im learnin but I need to learn more.

Thank you so much❤️

[tropic canyon]

Hello guys,I know this is a programming channel but I'm a QA if you need something :)!

[pure copper]

Quality assurance <??>

[tropic canyon]

Yes!

[pure copper]

No! That is a question. A quality assurance what?

@tropic canyon

[tropic canyon]

oh, srry I'm a QA engineer in software development

[pure copper]

Ok. That makes better sense.

Perhaps you could say a bit about what your role involves for those here learning.

[tropic canyon]

For sure! QA is a department that works on the quality of products. In my case, the product is software. We create test cases to test modules or functionalities in different applications (mobile or web). So, during a development cycle, when a version of the software is stable, we start looking for bugs, which we later report to help developers fix them.

Sorry if I have made a mistake; I'm just learning English.🥺

[shy glade]

New Teacher badge, COOL.

[shy glade]

Hello guys
I have question
Many ppls used (KMS auto) to activate Office or windows, is this program safe or not?
Or if there are any risks on it, what is it?

[pure copper]

Sure, no problem, English is primarily what this is about. Just a word about the use of 'Functionality'. I see that you have used 'functionalities'. This is rarely heard in native English projects. Its one of those rare words like fish and fishes. Both are plural. Fish is a bunch of fish and fishes are different species or types of fish. Similarly when projects speak of "Functionality" they are referring to a set of functions. Typically this is referred to as 'the functionality' of an application. In your usage, the extension of functionalities makes sense, but again a regular computer person probably would have also just said "The functionality of different applications" and this would not have woken any person sleeping at the daily dev meeting (Been of concern). (I hope you don't mind the English advice)

[pure copper]

"The Real Test:" This weeks story continues...

The test saga continues: After having found a minute or 2 of free time today, I decided to complete the testing plan as reduce by this particular project. [refresh: nothing has worked so far except the first screen and menu. Test plan is now: show the first page like I did 3 months ago when I started to test this program]. So I started the program again today to bring up the first screen which is all they wanted to see now to prove the program works. Guess what happened this time. BIG SCREEN FULL OF SERVER ERRORRRRRRSSSS NO PROGRAM.

Its so good to see. Go Team

🥳

[wet hatch]

hey, thanks! I've also joined your group, looks great!

[pure copper]

One risk is MS knows about it. It is likely that when you start wanting to do things like using office products etc, they will at any time in the future if not now alreay be set up to fail if there is not a valid windows key. Any issues you have with your computer, you will be wondering if its kms or a legitimate problem. Windows is flaky enough with constant updates, and changes to control your life. So puting up with this and also having it failing behind the cenes, is not worth the headaches. Either get a valid op sys key, or just start now with a free linux install and start working in Linux world. Its going to be just as difficult at the beginning, but once you get going and start living with the slightly different functionality of applications, you will forget the MS Windows and just move on.

Finally something useful. For years I wanted something to list my working directory when I wanted to find a file. I used your Bash shell script and substituted the "sudo service network restart" with "ls - l", and changed the message to "Are you sure you want to see the files". I'm so happy now.

[pure copper]

watch out. Deniz sounds like a cult leader who will gather his people, and one day when you are all coding away in his server, he will say to you to erase your hard drives, and you will praise him and erase your drives.

[fallow citrus]

Thank you so much ❤️

[cursive hawk]

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[pure copper]

,

[shy glade]

Thanks for your information

[fervent prairie]

Hi. I'm looking for a cheap service that can provide me a virtual french number to receive a few SMSs. Can you propose me some reliable options please?
P S : I have an Android device that doesn't support eSIMs.

[tropic canyon]

No, no it's great! thankyou so much 🙏

[pure copper]

@shy glade I saw that.

[solar slate]

hey there

[pure copper]

Hey. Feel free to converse here about computers

[night osprey]

hey guys is there someone studying C++

[dim citrus]

function createArray (num) {
return Array.from({length: num}, (_, index) => index + 1)
}
let result = createArray(42)
console.log(result)

[old owl]

What's your question ?

[fiery merlin]

hi, i programm using Django 🙂

[pure copper]

hi

great

so many of us struggling

Omar is learning. I'm trying to relearn it. Well actually I'm just trying to get hello world compiled and linked, but a few more months and I should be on my way

but not me. I'm too far gone I suppose

so do you reverse engineer binary back into c++?

what sort of projects are you/did you work on

So you don't use c++ then

just a toggle switch

010101010100111001110101

you just patch the binary

using an on/off switch

what is skip key?

I suspect this means you hack activation keys

we have a query from our friendly member yesterday on this topic

I made a key maker once to enable a system I developed. It was fun. prbably easy to crack, but not for the audience the program was used by.

[pure copper]

I take it from this message you are looking for something (a task) to do in this channel? or am I wrong? Generally people try and help others with their questions, but most times, those asking never return to see the answers or even follow up on the channel again. We hope you stick around and try to get to know some of the few regulars.

I didn't understand your question there

Where abouts in the world do you hail from?

I am just a chatter here

help with tech english

sure

🏃‍♀️

present and present continuous tenses

Help Me. Im being absorbed by tech

bye

[shy glade]

😆 I deleted it, just in-case you took at the wrong way. I was making an observation out of genuine confusion.

[shy glade]

Nice one.

[pure copper]

It was a joke script also

The registration was tied to a method to stop piracy. It was a trail distribution, and then the user could register the program and activate modules and functionality. Depending on what was ordered, bits were encrypted into the key to switch on modules.

[shy glade]

I remember watching something on YouTube about that. Was quite interesting. I had a play around with it myself, but it was over my head, as I'm not a C/C++ person. It involved some interesting programs. Something about watching the code as it's executed from the binary, then determining what the code might've been, based on ... something. I can't remember now. Isn't it called tracing or something?

[shy glade]

Dang, that's awesome.

[pure copper]

The serial number was randomly allocated on install, and there were things placed on the computer that were then used to see if a copy was made or not

each copy ended up with a unique serial, even if mirrored

[shy glade]

The registration was tied to ...

Or:

The registration ties to ...

Depending on what you're going for. Hope you don't mind the correction. 🫣

[pure copper]

first.. I couldnt be bothered correcting

[shy glade]

Ooh, I see. That's clever. How did you generate the serial number? UUID, pseudo RNG, or some other way?

[shy glade]

Understandable. 😆

[pure copper]

Some other way.

[shy glade]

I'm just assuming a Linux-based system, for some reason. I guess Linux + programming goes so well, it's hard not to assume. 😆

[pure copper]

cant remeber exactly, but I would produce those 5 x 4 character codes like MS used.

Generally random. This was then sent to us to use to provide a key that they would then enter, and it would decrypt, match against its serial and then extract the hidden bits that were used to switch on the functionality within the code.

[pure copper]

It was a Windows system, built with Visual Basic and stand alone Access DB. I was going to upgrade to MS SQL but sold the product off cause I hated my business partner. Kept the copyright though, and the system is still sitting on a server next to my desk. Had a 3 year no sell exclusion on it, but its been well over 15 years now. I think the cmos battery is dead and I will have to figure out the disk sectoring for the HD to get it going now.

scary but I corrupted the operating system, one day when I thought it was being attacked by a virus. Ended up pulling some Windows boot files off to get the NT booted using a floppy disk. That was stupid. Never figured out how to restore the OS.

[shy glade]

Oh, dang. Very cool. Been a long time since I've used a floppy disk!

Even if the CMOS battery died, I don't see why the system wouldn't boot as a result. It usually just means you're stuck with the default settings and you get a warning at boot time. At least, that's been my experience in the past with regular computers.

If it's special server hardware and not just a computer built and set up as a server, if you know what I mean (e.g., a multi-CPU server rack with a bazillion awesome things), then that's more or less outside my wheelhouse.

[pure copper]

Feeling kinda sick at the moment. The disk isn't there in the slot

[shy glade]

Ooh, then yeah, what I said earlier.

That looks like an old one. Reminds me of the computers I had as a kid.

[pure copper]

Probably used it for a drink coaster

[shy glade]

I know it's not programming, but I've been tempted to set up a retro gaming machine. 😆 Or, on the programming side, to set Linux up on an ancient machine and explore really old programming styles and languages. I could see me having some funw ith that.

[pure copper]

Yes. Cd drives

More archived machines

[shy glade]

I fitted an optical drive in my PC many years ago, but I've also not used it in many years. I sometimes forget people still sometimes use optical media. When someone mentions a CD to me, it's like they're talking about record players or something. 😆

[pure copper]

But i use that for music during parties

[shy glade]

I'm digging (liking) the work space.

[shy glade]

I didn't get interested in programming until many years later in life. Back then, I explored HTML (not a programming language, I know) and attempted to learn some BASIC, but taht's about it.

[pure copper]

Got 4000 movies burned on disks

[shy glade]

BLOODY HELL.

I've got about 2000 on a hard drive. 😆

You've definitely beaten me.

[pure copper]

This is my hassleI have disks all over the place and I'm not likely to have a real label in my boot disk

[shy glade]

😮

Wow.

I kind of miss floppy disks.

I used to love taking a bunch of floppy disks to school so I could download some games at the school library. Good times.

[pure copper]

10 games on a 1.44mb disk.

[shy glade]

Oddly, I miss Fat16 and Fat32 compression. It was satifying to eke out a little space from random little files. 😆

[shy glade]

Dang, nice one. Not sure I got away with that. They'd have to be really small.

[pure copper]

A 1 byte file using 32k

[shy glade]

Oof, because of the block size?

Wait, are you referring to bits or bytes in the second number?

[pure copper]

yes

[shy glade]

Were you not able to format it with a smaller block size, back then? I didn't know about block sizes and stuff in those days, so I can't remember if that was doable, but I can't see why it wouldn't be.

[pure copper]

yes. could have been 16k and maybe 8. But there were 'issues', to scare people

[shy glade]

Ooh, wow.

Weird.

IIRC, I tend to use 4096 bytes as a block size on drives, these days. 😆 How times have changed.

Or maybe it was 4096K. I can't remember.

[pure copper]

Actually the alien technology from Roswell gives us quetta bytes of disk space on a single platter, and always did way back to the 1950's but to sell it they used jumper switches on the drive boards to throttle it back to 1mb and then 2mb etc every 6 moths so they could always sell something at a high price again.

[shy glade]

😆 Aaah, that makes perfect sense.

Yotabytes are nothing, these days.

[pure copper]

sad but they are all formated in the box. (badly ofc) get that 8 terrabyte drive that only holds 10000 files

due to sectors

[shy glade]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm referring to the software side.

Despite the whole sector size thing, block sizes are still a thing, at least superficially. Well, it's not quite superficial, because it does make a differences, at least on HDDs.

I can't remember the specifics, as I've not had to deal with this stuff in ages, but, I think a smaller block size is good for many small files and a larger block size is good for a lot of large files. Something like that.

I tend to just set it to 4096 and call it a day, though. Not had any issues, that I know of.

[pure copper]

yes, its been a long time.

[shy glade]

With the exception of my film drive. That has many large files, so I think I set it quite high. Especially as it's a HDD.

[pure copper]

I think a larger block will buffer better, giving better speed, and also I think it affects the size of the file table

[shy glade]

Yep, sounds about right.

Although I use Linux filesystems (EXT4), so I dunno if that works a little differently, in that regard.

I miss being nerdy.

I used to get white and nerdy a LOT. 😆

Don't tend to bother, these days. I think my passion for it all just dwindled away.

I wrote everything I need.

It all mostly just works, so I don't really have to do anything.

[pure copper]

I had to squeeze my linux onto my windows disk when I got mad at windows a couple of years back. Partitions everywhere of all sorts. Still runs so bad I have to use another computer now

dual boot

[shy glade]

Any projects I got involved with are fine without me. I'm open to contributing again, I guess, but I'd need a while to get back into the swing of things.

😆 I've not used Windows in a very long time.

Windows and Microsoft frustrate the heck out of me. I think we deserve better, and so I set up what, at least for me, is better.

[pure copper]

Work uses it, so I cant get it out of my way. Spent 5 hours doing nothing while IT tried to install filezilla, cause it deinstalled/ corrupted itself for some stupid windows reason

[shy glade]

😆 Yeah, I've heard that a lot. The windows thing. So many people are forced to use it. 😦

I vaguely remember using Filezilla, back in the day. To exchange files between my system and a remote server. Good times.

Nowadays, I use SSH for that sort of thing.

[pure copper]

I'm not wasting my time. ICT are emplyed to fixz windows, I just went a slept in my room for a few hours then got on with my life. Left it running for another 5 hours into the evening before failing all its windows updates it needed to allow it to install a win 3 program

[shy glade]

Dang.

Do Windows updates still take forever, then? I remember that well.

Updates on Linux are usually done in no time, and it doesn't force you to repeatedly reboot! 😆 TBF, I suppose it does depend when amd what you update, but reboots are never forced, unless a certain distribution decides to do that to their users.

[pure copper]

They do, but they slow the maching down all day in the background and you don't realize its sucking up your life. Then it also has a nice trick where it disables the network card, so you have to reboot. and allow it to install its stupid updates. and they hapen almost twice a week.

[shy glade]

🤨 Ouch.

[pure copper]

g d m f windows

[shy glade]

Weird that it would disable the network card. Strikes me that something else is going on there.

Agreed!

[pure copper]

its happened enough times now over the past few years to see the correlation. Albsolutely nothing will repair the card/ drive disable or whatever they do.

[shy glade]

Wow, that's bizarre. Have you tried a different card or the regular motherboard Ethernet port?

Just to double-check.

[pure copper]

I go... wheres my internet suddenly while doing my work. Then see the crap out icon, check my shutdown options and there is "shutdown and install updates." m f g d Windows

[shy glade]

😆 Dang.

BTW, I didn't realise you were also a native. I was about to say your English is really good. 😛

[pure copper]

its purely a software disable

[pure copper]

Thanks. I try

with a proper ketboard

keyboard

g d m f kb

[shy glade]

Oh, you're on a phone or something ATM?

😆 RageMode enabled?

[pure copper]

no I wouldnt be able to type this fast on a phone. It would substitute all random words and I would have no idea what I typed to undo it at the end of the post. (if on a phone)

[shy glade]

[[ $RageMode == False ]] && RageMode --enable --now

[pure copper]

example. I will type the previous post on my phone and lets see how it compares

[shy glade]

Good point.

[pure copper]

No i don't be able to tie this as fast on s phones. It would substitute all random words and i would have no idea what i tried to undo it at the end of the past

[shy glade]

Oh, suddenly you need some serious help with your English. 😛

[pure copper]

phone kb

[shy glade]

Yeah, I know. 😆

[pure copper]

💃

[shy glade]

Have enjoyed the nerdy chat. Thanks! Gonna head off now. Try not to jump up and down on any and all Windows machines. It's not the hardware's fault, remember. It's Microsoft, stamp on them. 😛

👋

[pure copper]

also phone has just lost its background screen colour. like some weird problem I get when I leave it in the sun. but it is not that hot in here now

bye see ya

[shell bluff]

Hello friends

[pure copper]

hello

[shell bluff]

All god ?

[pure copper]

just waiting for event to start in about 15 minutes

what kind of books do you like to read

?

[shell bluff]

How cool will it be here in the community?

[pure copper]

I'm sure you will improve your tech English here

[shell bluff]

Terror, fiction, technology, adventure, spiritualist

And you ?

[shell bluff]

My problem is that I'm just embarrassed to speak honestly

[shy glade]

just be in vc

[pure copper]

I always read non fiction. COuld not waste time on fiction. However I have collected a few sci fi books to read, and a couple of Bourne books by Robert Ludlum. Perhaps I can stop looking at this screen and read a book

[pure copper]

Sit in VC and listen. it will also help. Then throw in a few words every now and then

[shell bluff]

When you start reading you will love it

[pure copper]

i'm sure

[shell bluff]

start reading lovecraft too

and stephen king too

[pure copper]

I prefer movies as they are finished in 90 minutes rather than weeks for me to read

Steven king is a little to scary for me

his nightmares on paper

[shell bluff]

Damn, I seriously love horror stories

[night osprey]

Good Evening

I have a problem iwith C++ Problem

Could anyone here give me an advice

[swift dew]

So... Hi 😄 I REALLY need to improve my English ASAP for work. I just booked two teacher's, singed up for group course and joined here, so things are pretty serious xD

[wet hatch]

what's the problem?

[pure copper]

We have a few c++ people here. Remember everyone. It's better to post your problem, rather than say you have one.

[oblique oar]

dont ask to ask ^

[old owl]

Would you like to ask 😄

Morning everyone

Wish you a nice day

[shy glade]

[old owl]

Do we have AI devs here?

[sonic laurel]

Me

[old owl]

Your bio describes me

lets make a contract

lets be friends 🤝

[sonic laurel]

Yes sure.

Deal!

[languid path]

I am a python Node dev

And my bro is AI dev.

lol

[dull vector]

Uh, guys. Have some trouble with preparing for a technical interviews. So, I'm a frontend engineer, and I wanna join the local company (faang like in our country), but there is an algorithmic section (just issues that need to solve for optimal time and space complexity). So, I've started to solve leetcode issues, but can't solve many of them without if I won't look at solutions, and so I've solved 20 or less issues like that. I know basic data structures and some algorithms. How do u deal with it if someone works in faang or just had similar interviews? I'd be glad for advice.

[pure copper]

I was looking at the wonderful testimonials for leetcode and FAANG is destiny for all of them. But I sincerely doubt that that represents the norm for people who pay their money to use leetcode. Unless you already are a 98%+ graduate in a higher degree, I would hold little hope for FAANG, even if you did manage to solve the 3000 code questions in LC. The world has coding jobs in thousands of local businesses. No they are not dedicated to creating software for sale, but they do use it inhouse. I feel that businesses that do run exams for applicants are the ones that need to filter 10000s of applicants. One is already on the losing end of the application rejection list before even getting into any such exam. And if you, are now trying to solve 20 with the help of the solution, I wouldn't waste time looking at faang. FAANG really want thinkers of the bigger picture. Not the basic algorithms of sorting , lists etc. That's just to cull.

Regular companies want people with experience. and entry level candidates, at least the degree to say you studied formally. Once you are in the job market the degree becomes less of a qualifier, and the actual work you have just finished becomes the bigger selector. Become an all rounder. Gain some programming experience doing your own projects. Employers like to hear that someone does coding for fun and that they build real applications that can be useful for personal usage. This in-spite of no commercial experience. Employers know that starters don't have the work experience yet, but are willing to take on entry level people, if they have had the passion to try things for themselves while they wait to get employed.

Don't reject that little company down the street with 20 people that is looking for a person to run their ICT for them. That little place if you work there gives you the experience in many aspects of computing that a big company that only gives "in -tray/out tray" coding tasks won't.

[pure copper]

Do some more reading and practice building simple programs using those basics of data structures you now know. Being able to properly store and retrieve data is one of the most important internal components of any system. The database. With algorythms, try and think about things you see on a daily basis and think abut how they would be programmed to work. Things as simple as a set of traffic lights with turn lanes. Think of the inputs to the system ( the road sensors) Think of the outputs (the lights), and then think of how they might be programmed for heavy traffic or light traffic. Another example. A digital clock. How do you get it to show time. Inputs (set buttons, chip timer{ghz} ) Output 4 x 7 segment display. What is the coding to convert the chip frequency to seconds and then the basic shell of the clock. Build simulations of things for fun. Use them in the interviews to describe aspects of coding that you understand. I would love to hear a candidate tell me they could code a clock and describe it , than hear a person who said they know a bubble sort . Your opening portfolio, should show a passion for understanding real life systems and how they work and can be implemented as a program. The details don't need to talk about some library function or fancy variable name, but the understanding of what is needed to put a system together is what employers want to hear. Remember most people employing you are not coding, except for your immediate potential supervisor. Too much coding talk will not set you apart from the next candidate wanting that job. But visualizing the problem and describing the bigger steps will.

[violet shuttle]

@pure copper I forgot to say you. Do you remember our conversation about adding belarusian in your pet-project? I found csv file translation of IT words. I can send you if you want

[shy glade]

can help with c# just dm

[pure copper]

I do remember. We have to figure how to get them to me. Maybe update the . Txt here or something

Hey folks. It's there a window form control that displays a 'console' output with size defined as lines, columns?

[dense roost]

there is a way i can check your projects?

[pure copper]

unfortunately for security (from FAANG), I keep my code on my own servers and not in a FAANG cloud.

I don't like to look at my old code. It seems like a nightmare. Oh and most of my code is on devices that no longer exist to read them back, although I did try and keep some drives for the future..

Remeber that all of your coding life, and literary works and photos can fit on a nanoCD card. All your memories, and when you die, the cleaning lady comes through and vacuums it up with the rest of the dust in the room.

And if you place it all on the cloud, it will be there for eternity, or at least 12 months until your inactive account gets deleted, because you no longer will login nor pay the bill.

[mighty robin]

unless they store this even if the account gets deleted

they may be able to afford this, the storage space is cheaper and cheaper, and they are richer and richer

[pure copper]

Now I'm sure. its a virus.... Machine completly crashed and rebooted

I will work on the words over the next few days. If I get them loaded I will se ablout repackaging the program and sending it over if you wish

[violet shuttle]

😦

I'm sorry

[narrow pier]

wow , thats really nice of you! am a 18 year old uni student pursuing degree in AI and ML joined here to improve my English skills, but today you opened a new perspective to me through your examples, thank you!

[prime breach]

Hey everyone, I wanna ask if is there any good resources to make (constructer & destructer and copy constructer concept ) more clearer to me ?

[dense roost]

so you work for a FAANG?

[pure copper]

No

[pure copper]

I'm sorry you feel that way. But some people here have had long and varied lives. I no longer program professionally. I therefore don't use modern source repositories like github. Just like the recent crash disaster this week, i don't trust cloud storage. I rather buy hdds and store stuff and backup for myself. Most of my professional programming is with the clients and employers i have worked with over my career. I developed one personal marketed system for farmers but have not looked at the code or turned on the server it did on for over 15 years. I was saying earlier that it possibly has lost its bios settings and will need to be reconfigured to even start the machine and then on identify the disk configuration. In the older days, disks did not auto configure.

I am currently trying to beat and bring up to date a program for language learning that i wrote 30 years ago, touched briefly 15 years ago and am working in now. The original coffee from 30 years ago still works on today's machines. But functionality it is limited.

My discussion regarding faang was in response to VES, and i was giving advice on not seeing all ones hours on FAANG, as yes they are global and big, but they get 10000s of 1000s of applicants each year. As a business owner and someone who has worked for many 'real sized' local businesses, i suggest that there are plenty of computing jobs it there that will give one experience money and a leap forward in their career.

I also don't think anyone in computing should stick with one company for longer than a few years, of they are not able to work in multiple teams and projects. 1. You may get kicked into one development environment that may decay as new tech comes out, and 2. Unless you are dialing with others, and working in s company that keeps up with the latest tech, you may feel isolated and panic that the computing world is passing you by (the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence effect)

[dreamy prairie]

Hello! I would like to get more into programming as I'd like to create my own personal web. What would you guys recommend me to learn in order to do that?

I heard about Css and html

[violet shuttle]

Do u mean ur own website or internet?

[shy glade]

HTML and CSS are the right way to start learning web development. Along with JavaScript they form the foundation for building any website.
The track I'm referring to is called Front-end. It's one field of two fields in web development, the other is called Back-end.
While HTML, CSS, and JavaScript are the foundation, you can still create impressive websites with them. I won't mention any further details about web development to avoid complicating your journey.

[pure copper]

Internet: perhaps 80 strands of 100gbps optical fiber connected between 2 servers on each side of the house, to give 1 terrabyte per second. And if a website then hook the user into one of those servers using a 56k modem. @dreamy prairie

[shy glade]

Peo! How is it going? 👋 ✨

@dreamy prairie
If you need any help on your web development adventure, I'll be glad to be of assistance. 🤍

[civic pivot]

I've a question which technology have a lot of demand in back end and front end.

[shy glade]

Nearly all the technologies are highly in-demand.
If you meant to ask about the most in-demand framework on both the front-end side and the back-end, while ReactJS remains the most dominant UI library along with its derived frameworks such as NextJS and Remix in 2024, innovative frameworks such as Svelte, Solid, Astro, and Qwik are rapidly emerging. These newcomers are revolutionizing the Front-end landscape in terms of development experience and runtime performance. On the back-end side, Python currently holds the top spot, with Node.js following closely behind. However, I believe this is not going for long. JavaScript is still the most popular programming language in 2024, so NodeJS has the potential to overtake Python in the near future.

[pure copper]

Feeling a little sad. Someone asked a question earlier today, and I thought I would take a quick look just to confirm my thoughts, and I ended up reading and reading and reading and getting depressed at how complicated everything is these days. Given the tech moved from a functional programming model to Objects, with the aim of improving the code, Its really just been a huge distraction building an object system for the sake of the programmers' egos to say what a wonderful program and look at how cool these objects are and how I've broken them down to molecule objects and atom objects and quark objects, and all the while filling in constructors and destructors and methods and overloads and on and on, and in the end, the program never actually gets written to solve the simple world problem or it takes 10 weeks instead of 2 days to write it with all the complexities required now.

And then on the other extreme there's Deniz's example of reversing a string algorithm. {return strrev()}. There's no fun anymore as there is a function and library for everything, So I guess AI will be coding for us in a year or so, and we should all be learning to sew or lay bricks

[violet shuttle]

Lol, that's why I so confused 😅

[pure copper]

Did you tell me you had memory leaks on c++

[violet shuttle]

Yep, because I've studyen algorithms, u know, list queue, trees. So it was one of the problems

[pure copper]

What do you use to create a node when using pointers. what function? or command?

[violet shuttle]

I don't remember it was 4 year ago. I even lost my code since then

[pure copper]

i've just been hit with deja vu

[violet shuttle]

Ahhaha, It can be

[pure copper]

I enjoyed using pointers and dynamic memory. Just had to remember to deconstruct any trees or structures to free up the memory. what got created , had to be destroyed. probably something useful for @prime breach ( but on your problem, The constructor sets up all the initial values for an object created based on the class But prob easiest to type 'Constructor' into google and there are a lot of top sites to give you some guidance.

[boreal wing]

Anyone down to solve some algorithmic problems together? :3 (mainly this one https://dmoj.ca/problem/coi06p1)

[pure copper]

Can you post the problem here?

doesnt seem to open for me

[boreal wing]

here it is: ``` N people are waiting in line to enter a concert. People get bored waiting so they turn and look for someone familiar in the line.

Two persons A and B standing in line can see each other if they're standing right next to each other or if no person between them is strictly taller than person A or person B .

Write a program that determines the number of pairs of people that can see each other ```

[pure copper]

at 2am it sounds like a sort

[boreal wing]

admittedly it's pretty easy, just trying to solve all the problems in Croatian Olympiads In Informatics 2006, this is the first

[shy glade]

Yeap

It could be in O(n)

[pure copper]

Sound like just parse down the people and inner loop on the next people checking for no tall people, and counting Those with no one between , and then also add the number of people in line/2 -1

[boreal wing]

well, my solution doesn't include sorting :3 (although worse complexity, almost, n(n+1)/2 ~ n^2), if you have an O(n) solution, put it here! (im curious):
take the person i and see if the m person in front of him is taller than max(other people between them), if yes, add 1 (he can see him, since he is the tallest), and just do that for each i in 1 to n where n is the size of queue

[pure copper]

I didnt sort in the end either

[shy glade]

Ah, I understand... I think.
First, I'm confused by those two statements:

it takes 10 weeks instead of 2 days to write it with all the complexities required now.

There's no fun anymore as there is a function and library for everything
Is everything simpler or cumbersome in modern programming? 😵‍💫

Anyhow, similar logic can be applied to the distinction between low-level and high-level programming. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Low-level programming offers superior performance and fine-grained control over hardware, making it ideal for resource-intensive tasks. However, low-level code can be complex, error-prone, and less portable across different systems. This results in smaller codebases, but fewer features.
High-level programming is more readable, maintainable, and portable. This makes it easier to build complex functionalities and feature-rich applications. The trade-off is, requiring more resources compared to low-level code, even if attempting to achieve the same level of performance, and it leads to much larger codebases.

In essence, as the level increases, development becomes more productive. Although it might require more resources, it becomes less of a problem as time goes, and with the stunning achievements and advancement on the hardware side.

Additionally, things don't get complex over time. They are getting somewhat simpler. For instance, building full-stack apps used to be a hustle for solo developers, but it's way easier nowadays with the rise of frameworks like NextJS.
I still agree that over time, more choices emerge, and more complexity emerges along with it (although some choices disappear as well, similar to what happened to EmberJS).

[violet shuttle]

Yeah, This is a really good part of c++, but It made me so tired

[fallen flame]

anybody interest with c language

[pure copper]

I agree. Everything changes after about 5 years, thats why one cant just rest with one set of skills or a framework or a language. They do rise and fall in popularity and uptake with business, so one can be left behind if one does not keep an eye on what is up and coming

[buoyant siren]

i just learned some basics of html css

[pure copper]

always

but now 🛏️

[fallen flame]

how are you in programming

I am just begginer

[pure copper]

Do you mean "How can someone like me be into programming?" or "How proficient am I?"

[fallen flame]

How you proficent

[pure copper]

I used to be very good at it, but have not programmed in it for about 7 or so years now, so am a little rusty

(lot)

(rusty)

[shy glade]

Cool

[pure copper]

but trying to get back into it so I can work on things with people here

[fallen flame]

if you are coding 7 years ago. I must be very younger than you

[pure copper]

no doubt, but then only because you say. You could be older than me for all i know

[fallen flame]

I was just 8 before 7 years ago

[pure copper]

but age is not important

so you are 7*8 = ?

oh +

[fallen flame]

I am 15

[shy glade]

lmao

[pure copper]

[shy glade]

you may become PRO

[pure copper]

not a problem. I was about 14 when I started

[fallen flame]

ok now how old are you

[pure copper]

old

[shy glade]

Rusty enough

[pure copper]

yes

[shy glade]

that was about me lol

[pure copper]

need 15w50 motor oil each morning to free the joints

[shy glade]

[fallen flame]

which interest you each other languages

[pure copper]

older than 30, For the sake of some here who only think im 26, I wont go higher than saying older than 30, but you can see me in vc when i have cam on, or in an event every so often.

[pure copper]

I'm trying to start c++ again, with MS visual studio. Its gotten a lot more complex running the IDE etc. I'm also programming some old stuff in VB

[fallen flame]

you have 16+ years experience. That must be good thing for u

[pure copper]

I no longer program professionally. I have moved on to system designing and spec writing, and project management.

[shy glade]

What is important to me these days (though not very important) is whether someone is older, younger, or the same age as me.

[pure copper]

but program for fun, when I have time

[pure copper]

if (age) good,good, bad

[shy glade]

good(older), good(younger), bad(same)?

[pure copper]

<,=,>

see fortran 66 arithmetic if

[pure copper]

Its been a fun career

[shy glade]

interesting

[pure copper]

goto ^

[shy glade]

[pure copper]

@violet shuttle Well things have been silent here for 24 hours, so I've started work on your file. Ive got its columns organized, and am now 'hardcoding' the language file into the program. By that, I mean I have so many formats for each of the sets of language data, they are all coded differently rather than making a nice generic file reader, that could support ... I don't even know how to explain it, except it needs a rewrite, to make it beautiful again.

typ typ typ

[shell bluff]

Does anyone here work as a freelance developer ?

[pure copper]

@sweet roost Dont just post random links and say nothing about them.

[pure copper]

I have in the past, and I guess I still technically am, as I still run my own business

[fleet imp]

How is that? I have thought about the lately but I don't have much knowledge in programming to create projects

[pure copper]

By "How is that" are you asking what it is like to write programs for someone, on your own?

@fleet imp

Well moving on.....

Another of my "I'ms a beginner again" vents: Bloddy objects. All I wanted to do was set the font size x.font.size = 10, but no, i've probably got to build a whole font object with a font size of 10 and assign it to the control.

[shell bluff]

Wow, that's cool, what's the experience of working on your own in technology, was it at the beginning of your career or did you already start providing services to companies?

[pure copper]

I had been working for a few years, but was asked by people who knew me to help their businesses to develop some custom software because they were too small to have an IT crowd, but needed something special.

Its important to at least have enough tools to build a full standalone system on your own, and know how to make it work with yourown knowledge

Some were, a seismic shock database and analysis tool for a geologist, and a banking direct credit system for a tax company. These were the first couple, but they sort of blend into just business as usual work once I started my business formally.

[shell bluff]

Wow how incredible

It must have been quite challenging to create these systems

[pure copper]

Its scary to think it can cost a lot of money to the user if it goes wrong, so it was important to trap all the potential erors/exceptions, and ensure it was also tested very well. The tax program sent money to hundereds of peoples accounts for them. Wouldnt like that going wrong.

Especially when there is no one else to blame

[pure copper]

Baaaahhhh Change Font Size ===> Me.x.Font = New Font(Me.x.Font.FontFamily, 10, Me.x.Font.Style, GraphicsUnit.Pixel)

@violet shuttle Well it appears to be in order

[shell bluff]

Damn, it's on my list to study about tests

[shell bluff]

Who takes the blame and the professional

[pure copper]

I think I wrote something to another member a few days back in this channel on testing.

[pure copper]

Fortunately I programmed well and never had to meet a judge

Professional Indemnity insurance is a must these days

[shell bluff]

improve my algorithm skills by studying tests too

[pure copper]

You dont need to know how something was coded to test it. You just need to know the requirement and the expected results.

and the results you dont expect

[shell bluff]

In this case, before anything you always draw up a contract with the client, I was doing some research on this. I am a front end developer, but I am also looking to specialize in other areas such as backend and database

[shell bluff]

I understood

[shell bluff]

In my first opportunity it was an internship, sometimes I got complicated with some projects, even some simple things and I got discouraged, I stopped and then I came back again, but now I'm going back more to the base

[pure copper]

Yes, draw up a contract to specify what you will do. That covers you to get paid for finding out what they want. The requirements specification, unless they already have that and give it to you. From that draw up a functional specification with all of the screens and button functions and database storage and interfaces and anything else the system will do, get that signed off by the client and get the approval to go ahead and build it as in the spec. Code it, test it, give it to the client to test, and then fight a bit about what they think they said and what you gave them, make some negotiated changes. Then the client starts using it, You get your money, and if the client doesn't pay, then you let your disable bomb timeout, so they have to call you in to fix it (after they pay you) . When you have the money, hand them the code if that is part of the contract. If they do pay you as they agree, then you disable the bomb in the code.

[shell bluff]

So in this case, this bomb would be a bug or an incomplete part of the system and that, sorry, I'm a bit of a layman in some things

[pure copper]

I've seen and also hunted down the causes of some big disasters. Simple things can have a big impact if they are unseen for a long time. mmmmm
Time for another Peo story from the archives:

Long ago, there was a records management system. It was in production in about 15 Government departments in multiple countries. A new version had been in development for about a year when I started on the project. It was just me and another French programmer. We had taken over just after a sub version was put in place on an IBM CICS system. It was about 6 months later when the client said, we havent been getting any requests from our staff for 6 months. It took them 6 months before they bothered to say a function that typically produced abot 1000 requests a day, had been giving nothing for 6 mths. On investigation, the data was originally held in a file holding fixed length records (lets say 72). The previous coders miscalculated the original as 60 record and then looped through the file, reading the records and chopping them all up at the incorrect location and buildt new records of their desired size. The whole file was a complete mess. We wrote a program to salvage what we could. Probalby rebuilt about 70% of information that could be used to some extent to help the users. Unfortunately after 6 months their cyclic backups had been exceeded and the old backups were overwritten , so we could not just go back to the original info.

[shell bluff]

Our

[pure copper]

No. If you are working on your own and think you may not get paid, you put a function in at the start of the program that will exit the program, once a particular date has been reached, lets say 3 months in the future. If you get your money, you send them a patch with the code removed and everyone is happy. If they dont pay you, the program ceases to work on that date. Then they need to pay, before you patch the 'problem'. Only if you really feel like you could get ripped off. I would probably think that is highly likely with an online customer these days.

[shell bluff]

Wow, thank you very much for the tip

And something I have to be careful about is currently a frontend developer looking to specialize in other areas as well and I intend to start with simple things, but I have to be careful

[pure copper]

Here is an example of the issue:

Every record was scrambled and then sorted and that then ended the restoration

[pure copper]

There are many little programs people and companies want. They dont have to be large. They may just be needed to do some controlling, or communication or interfacing between some of their equipment. Or maybe to load a hand held device with some information to be taken to the field. The jobs out there are endless, and they are not all controlling nuclear power plants.

[shell bluff]

Thank you very much for the tips

[shell bluff]

Our

[fleet imp]

yes, to work as a freelancer, I already have a job in IT though, I am thinking in a plan 'b'

My specialty is in Infra/Network, Development would be a secondary profession if that makes sense

[prime breach]

hey, is anyone familiar here with VS?

why I cant start debugging?

[shy glade]

Hi @prime breach Yes, I am familiar with VS

[prime breach]

Hi TechBond, I face this problem, i can't start debugging, do u know why

[shy glade]

dayum kool

[violet shuttle]

It's awesome. I'm glad to have made a small contribution in ur project

[pure copper]

As no-one else has responded and you have not provided any other info on what you tried, did you at least set any breakpoints to stop the execution to allow you to step through it, and did you start the program using the run and debug option?

[prime breach]

nope, I wrote the code and solved its errors then I searched about the run icon i didn't find it,I'm biggennner sorry

Also the debug icon didn't work cuz there's no bug so Idk what to do now

[shy glade]

as you can see the error from an old version of windows, what do apple users think about windows.Do we always get errors or something? break the myth.

[pure copper]

You don't need a bug to use the debugger. It can help you track what is happening to memory as you step through your program. To allow you to step through a program, you need to break the execution (interrupt) . You set a breakpoint (a place where you want the program to run to, and then slide you to start debugging from there.). Highlight a line of code that you want to start looking at. ( usually press F9.) It may be different in your environment, but this seems to have stayed consistent for me over the years. It should mark the line. Start the run, and navigate in the program to the point where the code would be used, and it should stop at the line you have marked. From there use the step command (F8) and you may be able to 'mouse hover over' variables and see values etc, add each command is executed. You may need to read the help to get some more depth to the many features your debugger has and the things you can do.

[pure copper]

One doesn't have to be an apple user to hate Windows.

[prime breach]

thank u a lot, I will try these steps and if it doesn't work i will read the help

[ebon yacht]

I'm still looking for an internship to this day.

[shell bluff]

And I imagined that only Linux people hated Windows

[violet shuttle]

Ummm, it's channel isn't used for looking job🤨

[violet shuttle]

I think every fan of the os hates different one😅

[shell bluff]

Worse, I can't hate any of them at the moment, I think each one has its pros and cons.

[steel egret]

Hey ! Anyone into web dev?

[shell bluff]

I like it and I'm already a web developer

[heady ermine]

👋🏽

i'm a web developer, working with PHP in Laravel framework

i love it

[kindred goblet]

Hi, i work with React, Next.js and Angular

[tall charm]

hi i back-end developer Django

[pure copper]

I think it's more that people who used windows hate Windows, then give up and search for anything else, and anything is better. I don't mind Office products, but ms is moving towards control of everyone's data, and that's bad.

[native prism]

Hating windows OS is core

[shell bluff]

I understand, but I think that not only MS, there are many giants out there who are looking for this

[heady ermine]

is django a good choice for a fullstack development?

i tried using it in the past, but i didn'i like it that much

for me, python is only for scripting

[tiny sigil]

Hello, I am a full-stack developer, node js, mongo db, vue 3

[pure copper]

Absolutely

[shy glade]

Hello World

[shell bluff]

Hello

[violet shuttle]

I heard that Fast API is better for backend development

[hybrid tinsel]

I am in programming vr

[native dragon]

Developing the 2d game

[crystal vector]

hello everyone i am fresher want to enter in it DBMS , and well as ui ux anyone guide me a little

[violet shuttle]

Ок

[mighty robin]

i hate windows

and the fact that windows's CLI does not understand bash, there is probably some way of installing it, but id like to have bash out of the box, in the shell

not powershell, i need bash

but microsoft does not understand this, they will not implement something like this, they will not even let the user choose beforehand

but even the logic here. if i can use the bash language on macOS systems, on linux, then why does windows not undertand it? why does it have to be an exception? If a developer releases some software nowadays, there are technologies to make it work on every system, such as electron desktop apps or other tech, but there is not a language which windows understands, linux does too, and macos does too, that would work in the terminal

the company behind windows is a multi billion dollar company, they can afford adding everything, but they wont, simply because they are too lazy and too mean

they are too lazy to remove the bloatware and unnecessary apps and programms from the windows anyway, it comes with a ton of sh#t preinstalled, user can do nothing, unless they start diving into more hacky approaches

[pure copper]

The closest thing you could accomplish with any shell would be controlling a few old dos programs and commands that are low in parameters and features. Type a file etc. Shells work well with unix systems because the commands,programs and scripts that can be set up as commands work well together.

But totally agree. I feel in the back of my mind i had a bash.exe long in the past. They may exist. It may have been a ksh though. 🙅‍♀️

[pure copper]

More being typed... (Please wait) then more tomorrow or this required a vc if you want info on this from me.

[mighty robin]

the underlying problem, then, is that windows is not unix based, while every civilized system is

rewrite this microsoft employees

into unix

they get paid enough to do this with bare hands

[pure copper]

I just had a quick read of what is ux ui. So sad. It's a sign of the times i feel. I can't dismiss ux as a potential role in a very large development. But it is such a specialty as defined, that a product would need to be very big to want to invest in research on best methods to please the user. Then. If you do find some place to take you on, they need to be generating multiple big products or making radical frequent change that rebuild what they have. If not, then if a company wants the service, it's going to be only as a short term contract to give them a report and a style guide, and then you are off looking for another big company that will do just the same.

UI for me is just an everyday requirement of developing a system. As a coder/programmer u will have 2 scenarios. You will be given a coding task and a written description of a ui and you will lay it out as you wish, within the look and feel of the user interface tools of the chosen environment and within a ' make it look like other pages we have, or your team will also describe the layout of the screen /page, and that will be predefined by a system designer/ system analyst with it without additional input ig now of a ux guide.

I think the world is becoming over whelmed with coders and programmers, and these being pushed to countries with lower wages. If you live in one of these countries then there will be huge numbers of people vying for the work. If not, then people with all round design skills would be sought, and coders would be less in demand, but still there. This is complex and needs verbal faucet.

[pure copper]

Or just use unix

[pure copper]

What are you wanting to do with bash in Windows anyways?

[mighty robin]

everything

lol

[pure copper]

Throw me a bone. Like....

Do your taxes

Solve gravity

Alright, I'm starting to figure it out

[mighty robin]

are you sure about this "the world has too many coders now" thing? i think being a programmer, or any IT worker, like a devops, tester, or system admin, is waaay harder than becoming a designer

so, less people become them

[pure copper]

Me. I'm a system designer, but i design the whole system functionality set, ui, (ux. My new word). I started with programming. For me programming was writing a tinie wenie system that has some inputs and output and some guts to convert it. The ui was simple and it did all that was required. The programs got bigger and i did more functionality and i/o as part of the design and coding. Then i worked on bigger stems with teams and coded what i was given. Then move up and run a team and manage a functional package of work, then higher and design big stems that do like of functionality and then that gets given to the teams and coders etc. The point is design is not about just the layout, but the data design and i/o and the styles, and if necessary (but not for me now) the choice of development tools. If someone tried to design a ui/ux without really knowing what is feasible and what the complexities are, the system may look pretty but be a nightmare to cife it even operate correctly as a single unit,

[mighty robin]

okay i guess my bad, youre talking about design understood as "designing the whole project, software, and its user interface", but i meant more of a "designing only the UI, and doing graphical design" designer. I expressed myself unclearly then. I think you make sense, but I just meant a different thing lol

[pure copper]

It really comes down to the type of company you end up working in and the scale of development. I think everyone here and I'm the world see movies about silicon valley and thinks thats what computing is. It's 99% of social computing $$, but one percent of computer usage . The local factory and utility and mine and little start ups are where most people will find their employment. And there, the systems and teams are small, and counter folk get to do a bit of everything and the smaller the business, the more you get to control. However on the reverse argument, the it's so much third party software available to do everything a business wants, that coding in the n small business is dying profession. But big corporations with internal needs are still available places for coding, but then again they float back and forth between in-house development and outsourcing. So you just need to get in from the correct side of that barrier and at the right cycle.

Bosses tend to hear about new tech and then if they have money, say, let's get some people in to do the new stuff. So AI is the buzz this last 9 months. Some people were brought in to show us how it can be used for our business. But it's airware at the moment. It's hype and 'artificial' ai. It's going to take time before the real stuff gets customized for a business. It's the stuff of magazine articles and tech journalists. But there are no people that can say "It is this and it will replace this old stuff you have that works". Maybe in 5 years or so there will be enough examples of implementations around and people who have studied the methods and APIs etc that can provide real application. But it's an overlap of experience over the computing world. The gap between what is currently new, young coders and who controls the money and development teams is about 10+ years of separation. So getting in and learning the new stuff as you age is important, but coding in the old styles and ways is also very important if you want to find work easily and now. Otherwise you can try and join the 100000+ application queue at your local faang, hoping for that leading edge work.

[mighty robin]

okay yeah, i can not disagree. I feel a very huge skill and experience gap between me and you, for sure, since am just a hobbyist and youve worked in IT for many years. It can be tough to get in nowadays and we cant really fully predict whats gonna come

[pure copper]

Edited to make sense

Gdfkb

[pure copper]

I am seriously sad that the computing world is actually going to be a lot harder now than it was for me. Not that tech is any harder, but that it is founded in a belief that it is the job for me, and that me is also the 8 billion others in the world, and where the basics of everything essential are already in place or controlled by a small set of super companies, that really can't absorb the number of people that want in on the industry.

It's like one of these utopi as n it's dystopian world movies. Maybe the divergent series as example. Soon you will be born into your role. Only a select caste will ever get to work in computer development, the next caste may be like enough to use the computers, and the rest will run through rat infested dark Streets at ground level between 500 story buildings, unable to see through the smog of corporate pollution and pestilence.

Oh sorry i must be dreaming...

[mighty robin]

well what can i say, there is definitely some dystopia and some utopia now

[pure copper]

I wish everyone good luck in their future careers.. sincerely..

[mighty robin]

its kind of a, luck-based industry, or luck-based world, as it has always been. I heard about people who got into IT with no degrees and little knowledge, by being testers and later on advancing and learning more, and I have also heard about really knowledgeable people who also had degrees and still havent found any employment. It is very luck-based lol

[pure copper]

Truely

But it appears from your examples and i know of people the same, that those with degrees it higher degrees try to find work in high specialized areasv and the are not many openings, but they won't look into anything but they want. Then those who have no degree or basic pass degrees are just happy to grab the first offer they can get and are willing to join any business. They get in, get experience and then street moving up the ladder, or move across latrally into what they want when it becomes available, and have a better chance because they then have real work experience.

[shut python]

a question. cyber security or web development?

[pure copper]

'or'

[violet shuttle]

a question

[shut python]

?

[violet shuttle]

Don't worry. I'm kidding

[oblique jacinth]

Game dev 💪

[shut python]

i don't know from what I heard Cyber security is hard to get into because all the companies need a senior not a junior is that the case with game dev ?

so that's why I was thinking of other stuff other than cyber security , and it's also kinda hard to learn , there is toooo much to learn to just get started like a+ , n+ and security+ so what are your guys thoughts 🤔

[oblique jacinth]

In 2021 was very easy to get job in game dev, because during and after COVID, a lot of companies started hiring a lot of people. 2022 in my opinion was quiet steady, but in 2023 Q2-Q3 in game dev stared a huge layoff's, which are still continuing. So now it may be a little bit harder to get some job as a junior i think.

Overall for the past few months are significant less job offers

For example one year ago, when i browse a job offers, on single site (only for programmers) i had 10+ pages with offers to overlook. Now on the same page there are 2-3 pages max 😦

I never had deeper thoughts about cyber security, because its never interest me much, but when i think about it now, there can be very big entry threshold because that's are very important stuff with tiny space for mistakes

[shell bluff]

Worse, the future really tends to be bleak.

[pure copper]

The are two realities. There are game companies on every corner in your town and you can walk in and get a job right where you live. But because there are so many, only a handful of people know if them, okay the games or invest in them, so you will be unemployed very quickly. The other reality is there are a relatively very small number of big games that everyone wants to play, and they make Lord of money, but their coding labs are hidden in the jungles of the Amazon, or Serengeti. they select only the best programmers in the world and have 1 million+ applicants each week, but it still only has team of 100 working on it.

Look at job as online in your area/country and see what kind of jobs are available, what types of environments these companies use and prepare your skills to match your local needs. The programming environments available in a region or country are dependent on local marketing and you can find higher concentrations of one type on one country rather than another. Also between industry types.

[ebon yacht]

A flower for you 🌹

[oblique jacinth]

I myself much more, prefer to work in small teams for some independent companies. Of course big games are awesome and i play it sometimes by myself, but making indie games is much more personal, especially when you do it in really small team. Of course there are also a lot of disadvantages: significant lower payment, etc.

[craggy vortex]

print("hello world")

5 years of coding experience

[native dragon]

hello

do you guys know how to use ngrok on node.js

?

i want to run my server with ngrok domain but player can't join my server

[heady ermine]

man, there is no secret

just run the node server

then craete a tunnel with ngrok using the following command "ngrok http 'your port'"

[heady ermine]

i usually use this tool without facing any problems

[quick dagger]

I can help you

give me screenshot

[tiny sigil]

Do you know node js?

[quick dagger]

Yes

I know

[tiny sigil]

Because I also have a question

[quick dagger]

And I know ngrok too

Yes

Please ask me

[quick dagger]

Shall we talk in private?

[tiny sigil]

Ok

[tiny sigil]

What kind of games do you make?

[prime breach]

@pure copper my run icon finally worked, but i still have a small problem

thats it

[heady ermine]

try to check if this file exists

in that directory that was mentioned in the error message

[pure copper]

noooo. we all wanted to hear

[quick dagger]

who are you @pure copper

where are you from?

[pure copper]

I had the same problems with x64. Try it as the 32bit version (Can't remember the name of hand), but in the drop down next to the word debug (oh x86)

[pure copper]

I am Peo. I am a global citizen residing on the south side of the planet between 110E and 150E

and you

[quick dagger]

which country?

@pure copper

[pure copper]

I gave you enough information for a fun guess, but if you want the answer, Australia

[pure copper]

You have compile errors. You need to fix them first. Then when the .exe is created (successful compile) it will be placed in ./X64/Debug and the program should run and you can start debugging runtime issues.

[prime breach]

lemme try it

[prime breach]

it works now thankfully

[pure copper]

I happy you have solved it

I looks like a small car database I helped someone else with, by writing it in C a few years back. Brings back memories

[oblique jacinth]

About food, cooking, etc. casual and indie games

[native dragon]

i use node.js

[native dragon]

oh are you developing AI program?

[pure copper]

looks more like car program

[native dragon]

xd

[prime breach]

yeah, it's a common assignment, i still work on it to solve its errors

[prime breach]

a C++ program to model for Vehicles

[pure copper]

What , you wrote it and secretly placed hundreds of errors in it, so you could have years of fun solving them?

[pure copper]

Not only does it look like it models vehicles, but also vehicle models.

[prime breach]

no, I wrote it and my teacher wants me to make it run with the main function that he wrote🫠

thats why i got errors

[pure copper]

I guess you both used different versions of the interface statement.

well

for now

[olive belfry]

Hi 😉 Run ngrok shouldn't be a problem because You connect by host and port. You can set own domain (in free plan this domain is generated by ngrok) and run in CLI by command: ngrok http {your local domain}:{your port if he is other than default} --host-header="{copy text from left side}" --domain={domain generated by ngrok}

[shell bluff]

At least here in mine I realize that it's much more difficult if you don't live in cities like São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, there's remote access but it's still very complicated

[heady ermine]

did you manage to run ngrok?

[native dragon]

I dont know what happened

.-.

i run and i can't join

[heady ermine]

which kind of protocol are you using?

for ngrok you need to specify the protocol when creating the tunnel

most games use tcp to multiplayer, not http

try change the protocol in the ngrok command from http to tcp

[native dragon]

i want to host my server not game hosting

my server is connected with my game

and somehow i can't connect to my server with my ngrok on node.js xd

[neat bone]

hiiii

I'm in 2nd year of my University doing my B.Tech in Computer science and engineering.
There is a mini project given to us in Graph Theory.
our group consists of 4 members.
give me some of the best project ideas which will help us to score maximum marks.

These topics are already taken :

1.Transportation Network Analysis
2.Social Media suggestion
3.Rumour Spreading Model Using Graph
4.Graph-Theoretical Analysis of Internet Infrastructure: Optimization, Routing, and Security
5.Implementing Cloud Computing using closeness centrality
6.Importance of a junction using vertex connectivity
7.Family tree analysis(Pedigree analysis)
8.Sudoku Solver(Graph coloring)
9.Frequency Allocation in Satellites using Coloring concept

give me some of the best project ideas other than the above topics which will help us to score maximum marks.

[pure copper]

Tangential responses to queries for solutions to assignments

[fluid shale]

@neat bonewhat's your school's name?

[shy glade]

ask ur seniors, they should have exp

[quasi ledge]

Hi

Any python programmer here

I wanted to read .doc file in python and the code need to be generic anyone here with any solution or code, but you need to use cross platform library

[shy glade]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/python-working-with-docx-module/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alfredogomespereira/

[languid path]

https://oskar-portfolio.netlify.app/

[oblique jacinth]

I think most games use UDP instead of TCP imho

[native dragon]

oh ye i found the issue

but i don't know how to repair this

i want my ngrok url allow port opening
for example:

ngrok123456.ngrok-free.app:81

anyone knows about the ngrok service help me

❤️

[heady ermine]

really? i used to play games that use TCP minecraft for exeample uses tcp

i usually use ngrok to play minecraft, runs pretty smoothly

[heady ermine]

the ngrok url already has a "port open" which you specifity when running the comand to start ngrok

can you paste here the command you are using?

[vital star]

i love programming

[crimson jetty]

hiiii

[cosmic steeple]

hi

sup?

[zinc nest]

hi

[oblique jacinth]

To be fair, as far i know, most games uses combination of TCP and UDP. TCP is good for thing like auth, matchmaking, non-time-sensitive data transimssions (messages, stats, etc.), whlie relying on UDP is better for real-time gameplay like movement, actions, shooting

BUT

Of course it's not some magic rule. Differenet games works in different ways and it might be true, that minecraft use TCP. Probably games like WoW (mmo) use TCP also. But i'm sure that games like CS:GO use UDP

[native prism]

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2549

[heady ermine]

definitely, imagine running a game as large and precise as CS:GO via TCP

to be honest, it suprised me that WoW uses TCP instead UDP

TCP is better suited for 'local' games that run with a dedicated server.

[pure copper]

Hi

[heady ermine]

hello

[shy glade]

Yeop

[pure copper]

While we do chat about computers here, it's also to fix English and get better with that, so if you don't mind i will say: the idiom is 'to be honest' (not honesty). Also a tip for those going for their first or any job interviews, never say 'to be honest', 'I've got to be honest', 'didn't wanna lie', 'truthfully... ' etc add this implies you do like and have been lying to to that point. It's not necessarily true, but interviewers who do basic training learn this and it's just one of those mind triggers that kicks in, and they say to themself. ' i was told to watch out for this', and immediately you are bottom of the list, even if unfounded.

[heady ermine]

thank you for the correction

and thank you very much for the interview tip, i really didn't now about those triggers

[native dragon]

ngrok http 81

[native dragon]

thanks ❤️

[molten rampart]

hi, anyone here experienced on dockerizing apps/using docker compose?

[pure copper]

It looks interesting. Do share some examples you may come to with, or how you have been managing this activity before now if you have not started using docker.

[heady ermine]

then, your ngrok url is already making a port foward to 81 in your local computer

if still doesn't work, try to remove the protocol prefix from the url, the "http://"

[heady ermine]

finally some high quality network

[native prism]

100% success rate in packet transfer

[prime breach]

@pure copper are u available? i wanna ask about this if u dont mind

while running my code

[pure copper]

once again, carrying discord around for the past 22 hours and then when I watch some TV, everyone sends disaster messages

🥳

[pure copper]

what is the question

[frail valve]

If u don't know where is the problem show us the part of your code when u called the function that caused the error

[viscid raft]

You might have provided a non zero terminated string or a NULL pointer or a pointer of random address or pointer of irrelevant address

[prime breach]

need a solution for this problem(while my code was running correctly it stopped and this widow appeared) have u faced it before?

[prime breach]

sure lemme send the line

where it stopped in

[prime breach]

That is what it printed then it stopped

[prime breach]

i will check it , thx

[viscid raft]

I cannot see the use of the function strlen

[prime breach]

i wrote it in the implement of the operators

i can send the whole code to see it

[viscid raft]

++ operator?

[prime breach]

oh my bad

i mean in constructors

[supple shard]

hi there

[supple shard]

ah i dont know c++ at all

[viscid raft]

Did u precisely determine where it is?

[native dragon]

hey guys, help me with ngrok?
this is example of ngrok url:

• ngrokabc123456.ngrok-free.app
  its worked with my server
  but if i add port like: ngrokabc123456.ngrok-free.app:8093, it doesnt work although i did add port to firewall

while my game hosting is only supports ipv4 with specific port like ngrokabc123456.ngrok-free.app:8093

[prime breach]

nope , i still searching

i didn't find it precisely

[frail valve]

U have overloaded the + for cars right ?

[viscid raft]

U can use the debug stop property of vs

[frail valve]

please send it's implementation

[viscid raft]

Maybe it is about vehicle constructer

[prime breach]

like this ?

where the ❌ is

[prime breach]

aha

[viscid raft]

Nope by clicking left blank side of line

[frail valve]

.

[prime breach]

i went to do it but debugging doesn't work

[prime breach]

sure wait

[viscid raft]

How?

Did a red circle appear left side of the line which u clicked

[prime breach]

i did like this 🙂

[prime breach]

no

[viscid raft]

Why did u select multiple lines tho. And idk why it doesn’t work

[prime breach]

the 1st time i selected just the start and the end but still the same thing

[frail valve]

It's fine so it might be the constructor of the car send it

*Copy Constructor

[viscid raft]

I think I found what u have done wrong. The last lines of main function you delete the car3 so according to ur overloaded operators it copies the address of string within car3 so since car3 had been destroyed its strings also get destoyed(if you wrote a destructor tho)

[frail valve]

Yeah it's like what i was thnking of
if she can edit the copy constructor to copy the values without the address it sould be working fine

[viscid raft]

Probably

[pure copper]

@shy glade was a programmer

Old programmers never die, they just decompile

[pure copper]

like this

[pure copper]

Alternatively, here, When you add a value to the year, you are doing it in a new instance of the Car, and so all the other values are not intantiated as you are returning the new instance of the Car object, with only the Year set with a value.

also Car3 = car1 + 5 or *car3 = &car1 + 5 potentially

prob first best

What you typing @outer shore

[outer shore]

Iam typing

Something

[pure copper]

great

now recopy it back

[outer shore]

A big tutorial for how to learn programming and apply for jobs

It is little big so I don't know if it will be auto deleted or not

[pure copper]

save it first

[outer shore]

Wanna learn programming and apply for jobs?

1 - Learn basics of programming and understand it to start a language, it might take 3 or 4 days .

2 - Learn language of these : (Java, Javascript, C++, Python, C, C#) , it might take 1 or 1.5 years to understand one language .

3 - as a beginner, you can train yourself by making a password generator app .

4 - after 1 year, start learn libraries and use them .

5 - Start learning database and sql .

6 - as a junior, make an application that stores images, texts and you can manage data through it .

7 - after completing 3 years, you will become a senior .. you can start learning API servers and build an application that is about transferring coins, storing coins and messages by api server&client .

8 - build a CV and apply for jobs

[prime breach]

aha, i think that's the best explanation exactly , in this case what is the soluion ?

sorry i went to iftar

[pure copper]

The delete is happening after you print the cars , spo this is not the problem

[outer shore]

What language is this

[viscid raft]

Adjust copy constructer

[pure copper]

c++

[viscid raft]

As it allocate a new memory for the strings and copies the string from instance’s strings

[outer shore]

I see

[pure copper]

yes. The year is the only thing set in the + overload

[outer shore]

It is strong and hard language

[pure copper]

yes,

[outer shore]

But not like assembly, assembly is very pro max hard

[viscid raft]

That is why u should use C

[outer shore]

C is the main language of programming

[viscid raft]

And the most basic

Understandable

[outer shore]

As they say, it is the mother language

[pure copper]

its basically c

[outer shore]

Yep

[prime breach]

lemme try to add the copy constructor first

[outer shore]

I want to guild people before they learn programming about something , if you started programming by learning language like python so you will never understand programming , you must start with a language like Java and C or you can start with basics of programming and then start python normally

[pure copper]

I'm hacking my way through c++ again, but perhaps you could do something like this.manufacturedate.year += years, and avoid the newcar (but I think this is what i am failing in lately)

[outer shore]

Rate this ui picture

It is a dashboard

[tiny sigil]

What languages ​​do you know?

[pure copper]

I'm rusty in many languages. I don't program professionally anymore, But C,VB are some current projects i'm resurrecting and potentially going to write some c++ games now for fun,

and to relearn c++ with its new features etc

[pure copper]

The big yellow things look like buttons, rather than menu headers. The green and red shapes are pretty shapes, but I don't like their location or their purpose. The 2nd icon on the elements are not intuitive and I would assume you click on a element row to go somewhere and see the elements

What does the up chevron s do?

The app setting icon does not give me a recognizable meaning. (i suppose hence the need to type the words under them which I prefer, but its a little redundant having the icons then)

19/47

oh and the output fields are not fully visible, so maybe they should move

[pure copper]

How's it going?

[shy glade]

[pure copper]

[unkempt linden]

What kind of games do you like to make?

[pure copper]

I really would like to make a strategy game

but don't have the time.

[unkempt linden]

Like Crusader Kings/ Hearts of Iron? Would be a big project haha

[pure copper]

just for practice some basic UI games

Yeah I was thinking of some sort of world conquest current times,

[unkempt linden]

Pretty ambitious 👍🏻

But then you'd probably use an engine? Not from scratch

[pure copper]

no. definitely from scratch otherwise its no fun programming it

[unkempt linden]

Damn from scratch??

Are you like a programming god or smth

[pure copper]

rather than random program generated results

[unkempt linden]

wait how would that work?

So if someone else is playing at the same time as me it takes moves from their game?

[pure copper]

yes

[unkempt linden]

That's wild

But how do you know if the moves are any good then?

They might be in a different situation ,no?

Has that ever been done before? Or where'd you get the idea?

[pure copper]

my idea I should have copyrighted it

[unkempt linden]

Imma steal it

[pure copper]

I'll remeber this. Screen snap

[unkempt linden]

nooo 😞 😵

The biggest game I've ever made in C++ is a console pong

in like 9th grade

So you don't really have to worry about me being any kind of compettition tbh

[pure copper]

I'm currently looking to remake my Pacman game and StarTrek games again in C++.

[unkempt linden]

When you say you used to program professionally, does that mean you used to develop games?

[pure copper]

WHen I was in uni, I wrote a game, that ran all day on the university supercomputer. People played until their lectures and there was a queue of new people waiting that took over their spaceship and machine, and continued with it until they had to go, and then someone else joined in. There were 26 players max (system limitation). My friend created a DnD game using the same limits and so there were two options running.

When I think about parallels to today, it would have been a game server with 26 concurrent connections.

[unkempt linden]

And what kind of gameplay did that space game have? Like EVE Online?

[pure copper]

Much easier to do nowadays

[unkempt linden]

Yea I imagine

[pure copper]

Well not 100000 of players, only 26, and the star system was 10 x 10 x 10 otherwise noone would find each other in the galaxy. Each sector was then a 2d 10x10 grid to fly around in and fight tactically with each other

[unkempt linden]

What happens if a ship is destroyed? Can the player respawn? Or is it kind of a battle royale where the last one alive wins?

[pure copper]

That was a disaster, as I never got around to respawing a new ship for a player to start. Itt was initially written as last man standing, and all of my time went into programming new features for the players. The ships basically had enough shileds and size etc to last the day. Except for 1. I used spaceships from movies and series, and the first in the database was the Jupiter II from Lost in Space. ofc this was a none combative ship, where the weapons were extremely small. The I put in the Enterprise and the Death Star from Star Wars etc and Battlestar Galactica, and these happily found all day, but if someone was randomly allocated the Jupiter 2 at start up, we restarted the game, as it would die and lock up the machine all day unplayable. 🙅‍♀️ . But otherwise they just shot and ran and chatted on the in program radio etc.(even though they all sat together irl)

I also didnt want to write an editor to change my database. It was hard enough putting the ships into a database that I had to write also. What am I suppose to create the whole DBMS. 🙅‍♀️ . The players wanted more functionality.

Also as it was not actually permitted, we got raided occasionallly by the University computing staff. There was a Raid button, so that if anyone saw a lecturer, or staff come by, they hit the raid key, and everyone's screens converted to random assignment looking work, and people knew they were being raided when it happened, and so pretended to be working on the random assignment displays on their screen when it popped up.

[unkempt linden]

You have some wild stories haha

Sounds like some early day programming though? Writing your own DBMS and all

[pure copper]

So where did we keep the program when it was not being used, so the computer staff could not find it. A story from the Peo Archives. The mainframe was a 36 bit computer. Executables kept their binary code only in the lower 18 bits and the upper 18 bits were not used. We wrote a program that embedded our program into the upper 16 bits. The original program still ran as normal. When we wanted to run our program, we ran a small program that swapped the hi and low words and then the program would execute the game. When finished we swapped them back again. Boring (1st year Assignment or System program) / (Super Star Trek)

[pure copper]

I did actually do this professionally in my first(ish) job out of Uni. Everything was leading edge in those days

[unkempt linden]

I get the feeling you're pretty good at this whole programming thing

[pure copper]

ohhh scary. just thinking about what I was doing and what it was equivalent to

[outer shore]

the green and red shapes are elements created by the elements button from the Panels field .. also hello world is created from the Texts field

cause it is a dashboard

[outer shore]

scrolls the big black border up to have big space for the desgin

[pure copper]

My DBMS work was predominantly coding an SQL language parser, and mapping that to database file commands to then read and store data in tables etc. The other work was coding the screen form editor, that placed the labels, and text boxes on a screen that was used by the 'developer' In that early system, there were basically on the textboxes and labels that could be put on a screen form. These templates were designed on screen and then when executed provided the presenation layer of the system. That allowed a form based query system as the alternative to using the SQL query.

@unkempt linden

[pure copper]

Excellent

But what is the query, That specific UI or the UI editing ability?

[unkempt linden]

That all sounds pretty complicated, impressive

But how come you don't work as a programmer anymore then?

[pure copper]

Once you get into it, you will find that tech changes every couple of years. There is always something new to learn to keep up with the world. You just manage to become an expert and if you want to have a future beyond 5 years, you need to move on to the latest fad. When www came out in the mid 1990s , it started as http, and that was too similar to the text editing of the 1960s. It was a huge programming leap backwards, and I did not want to make that move. I continued programming until around 2012 in client server applications and database systems Ingres/Oracle, and then now I basically design specs for others to code. I still work with Oracle coding wise, but not that much. I prefer to stay off the computers as much as I can (because they are Windows..... where I am currently earning most of my money.

[pure copper]

I get it now 👍

[unkempt linden]

Yea I guess it makes sense that it could tire you out to always have to keep up with new technologies, but isn't also fun sometimes? Seeing tech progress, learning new things and all that?

I wouldn't know, I'm just a few months out of Uni so everything is still new to me, I haven't lived through a big tech shift yet

[twin solar]

Tech progress to where? To a point where humans are replaced by AI. Are we digging our own graves?

Lots of talk about progress but where is the final destination. Are humans allowed there, or do we have to surpass our own limits, in that sense, not be humans to be allowed there?

[polar latch]

Guys, I’m looking for mobile development, do you have any advice for me about what language I must learn and stuff like that?

[twin solar]

Probably flutter, react, etc cause it enables cross platform development

[polar latch]

But What’s the language? Java?

[mighty robin]

javascript

if you mean multiplatform frameworks

like react/react native

if you mean writing specifically for android, then kotlin

[polar latch]

That’s nice, I know a litlle bit of JavaScript. Thank you, I aprecciate

[pure copper]

That was 30 years of good programming. 25+ languages, 20+ OS, 10+ industries, and 45+ companies. Enough changes . time to watch the birds chirping in the trees.

[twin solar]

New companies,or existing companies, dipping their toes into less expensive and easy maintenance avenues.

[pure copper]

still learning

[twin solar]

Native codebase development is no longer appealing

[pure copper]

Rated 13 and over🥳
||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm5Uvwlpb0g
||

[twin solar]

It can be funny also scary.

A lot of recent mass layoffs were due to the fact that companies are utilizing AI and don't need human programmers

Tech layoffs were one of the highest

[unkempt linden]

45 companies? thats crazzyy

[pure copper]

Try downloading the Microsoft Visual Studio, and using the android development kit and emulator, to get a start if you are looking to see what is around. Its free, and well supported document wise.

[unkempt linden]

I dont think the recent tech layoffs were entirely because of AI though.. Devin just came out and even it can't replace devs yet..

[twin solar]

Not entirely, yes but a lot.

[twin solar]

Devin? Everyday there's a new AI coming out but with some unfamiliar name

[pure copper]

Tech layoffs are more to do with outsourcing to programming factories based in cheaper parts of the world. AI has not really hit the point of just generating code perfect for a consumer.

but the code factories would certainly be taking it up to reduce their costs ofc

[unkempt linden]

It's basically an AI that researches, codes, debugs on its own

[twin solar]

Oh like GPT autonomous agent?

[unkempt linden]

yea basically, its still just powered by GPT 4

but its causing a bunch of panic among the dev communities i follow

[twin solar]

It's replacing people who do surface level coding jobs atm. Web and graphic designing, for instance.

[pure copper]

that would be true

(sorry) but I never actually though that was coding

[unkempt linden]

based

[twin solar]

GPT 4 ain't so good ngl

[pure copper]

I used to always complain that the biggest issue users had in the end was should the screen be red or blue. I literally saw a coder taking about this being essential for coding.

[twin solar]

We can be hopeful, but I'm pretty sure AI will replace SWEs in the future

[pure copper]

There will need to be people who can code in a business requirements language, to tell the AI what is wanted, so it can code.

Then there will be AI to write the BRC (business Requirements code)

Then AI to replace the Business workers themself who tell the BRC AI what they want

[twin solar]

People thought AI won't replace artists. Here we are, Midjourney came first, and put millions of independent artists out of work. A kind of bomb which was dropped abruptly.

Then the folks are walking around crippled, by that time it's too late.

[pure copper]

Then the CEO as they wont have any people to manage either, and shareholders will just invest in virtual companies, just like they do with virtual money, and the virtual companies will just bounce wildly up and down with massive share swings,

[unkempt linden]

I agree but tbh I'm not too worried about it, either way I can't change it so I'll just have to adapt to whatever the future holds

[twin solar]

I'm guessing prompt engineers?

Man they seem to be getting paid so high

[pure copper]

Try and get closer to the hardware development and coding. Get involved in scientific and engineering pursuits rather than office/accounting/financial projects. They are already pretty much off the shelf systems anyways and AI is only used for configuring them.

[unkempt linden]

Well I do have a coding job, but I really don't think there's anything that I can do using a computer that the AI won't eventually be better at doing

[pure copper]

Yes, for now, but as I say, they will standardize a language (BRL) for the end user to directly prompt and eliminate the 'tech' prompters'

[twin solar]

AI/ML engineering seems to be the right path to be taken, keeping the future in mind. Someone needs to make sure the nuts and bolts of AI are functioning up to the mark.

Unless the AI finally somehow learns to fix itself

[twin solar]

Is this a new thing?

[pure copper]

That is then real AI

[pure copper]

There have been systems around for decades to help in designing systems. These are already doing this. When they pull in human language it will just be closer to their endgame.

Prompters will pool their tutorials on how to prompt and these will then be collected and standardized amoungst the prompters, and then AI will suck them in and they will have given away their job. Prompters are going to be out in a couple of years or less, as AI tells you how to ask it things for yourself

[twin solar]

Of course, short term gigs.

[pure copper]

bye for now all

[twin solar]

Cya
Take care

[prime breach]

it doesnt work , not yet

but i found the exact function where it stoped

[prime breach]

can u check this plz

[prime breach]

.

[viscid raft]

What?

[prime breach]

this

the previous error still 😦

but i found out the exact func

[viscid raft]

Can u give the source code?

[prime breach]

ok

[viscid raft]

I didn't understand which function it has been stopped at

Seems like you cannot share here

[prime breach]

the file cannt load

yeah

lemme check it one more time

if i cant fix it

then i will return here

[solar sky]

I

[dense roost]

funny, everytime i enter to this channel i see a messages from the user peo

[pure copper]

Who's that?

[pure copper]

Did you try to save it as a .txt file? Also, did you get it working yet?

[sage stratus]

Hi. İs there anyone who is working Linux Adminstrator or Linux Engineer ?

İ need help for hacluster. İ did it by pacemaker but i have to add MySQL. What do i need to do on MySQL

[outer shore]

There is a home page that looks good but I don't have its image rn

[violet shuttle]

I dunno 👀

[violet shuttle]

Okay:
https://www.reddit.com/r/programminghorror/s/XmmdKJot1v

[violet shuttle]

Okay (1):
https://www.reddit.com/r/programminghorror/s/0DuzkrD8Gn

[shy glade]

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-showme-gif-7658980

[mighty robin]

holy sh

[violet shuttle]

I think it's not holy sh. It's more like cursed one😅

[mighty robin]

The front end dev pressed alt+arrowup in vscode and moved text-align: center into some different selector

and now the whole website was affected

thats one way of explaining this lol

Maybe am just trying to make a rational explanation to an irrational problem

[violet shuttle]

Lol, I sent the link for 💩post

Not for thinking

[mighty robin]

am just like this

i overthink

[placid gate]

I can't believe that

There's one a chat for programming

[strong condor]

guys what your opinion about devin or ai genarly it can remove programer?

[dense wind]

It's only a matter of time bro

[strong condor]

you think that bro??

[dense wind]

Don't you see how fast AI evolving?

[strong condor]

are you programmer?

[dense wind]

Yes

[dense wind]

I don't think devin will do that, but AI in general yes

[strong condor]

and what is the solutions?

learn ai or what we got to do

[dense wind]

Change your job in next 5 years

But if you are a senior developer, i don't think you need to care about this

[strong condor]

bruh but what the job its can't ai to replace it

[mighty robin]

Be a p0rn star

ah, thats also kinda replaced already

so we can only curl up in a corner and cry

(or stop worrying about such nonsense)

[fallen snow]

Jokes on you i work in healthcare 😁 (cannot be replaced anytime soon as patient care requires human interaction that can never be imitated/replaced by ai for mental care and comforting for the patients and due how critical this field is so you don’t want to put the blame on a machine if something goes wrong-betta be a human-🙃)

And a programmer 😁

[mighty robin]

i think the reality is even more unpredictable than we humans imagine

AI may replace everybody, and may also replace almost nobody

we do not even know what kind of progress and advancement we will see in the future, therefore forming any kind of assured hypothesis is most likely misleading

its like the internet was introduced to everyone, it changed the world, but it also created many new jobs, and changed many industries for the better

I can totally imagine AI replacing even doctors, not only programmers or graphic designers or whatever. And I can also imagine AI replacing nobody, but being used by everybody to a certain extent

[pure copper]

Nice

[pure copper]

This is why Python is a hopeless language. Once you hit justify, the code is scrap.

[pure copper]

It is your job to sabotage the output, so no boss ever trusts it and it will eventually die and we can keep our jobs.

[pure copper]

You are safe. I can do everything. Ahahahahahaha

[pure copper]

My former doctor googled stuff while sitting in front of me.

[native prism]

FFMPEG tweeted this to guy who said their code is trash lol

https://twitter.com/FFmpeg/status/1762805900035686805

FFmpeg (@FFmpeg) on X

@sndwv_ Talk is cheap, send patches.

Twitter · Feb 28, 2024, 11:44 AM

[upbeat estuary]

Hey guys what do u think about Devin AI?

[shy glade]

Google Developers i/o extended

[pure copper]

So what is this, a product release?

@shy glade

[cosmic fossil]

If I create a website where the user can pick up the HTML and React code for a particular component for their website. Then it will works suggest me?

[shy glade]

it'll depend , there are some sites which does that i think
checkout how they are performing

[real river]

HELLO, I need help of kind person from the USA

[shy glade]

this isn''t release just a event

https://gdg.community.dev/events/details/google-gdg-tashkent-presents-google-io-extended-tashkent-23/

[fallen snow]

Yea that’s true , ai and machines will be integrated into healthcare BUT will never be able to replace any medical professionals as the mental care can never be imitated/replaced , imagine dying with no one to sympathize with you to understand what you’ve been through, or just a soulless machine doing all protocols without caring about your agony, thats dystopian and probably would never happen as the mental state of patients (especially long staying)will crumble ,on the other hand almost every other job is at eminent danger including all junior CS/Data positions.

Even when its comes to more no patient-facing positions (like radiologists) there must be a medical doctor (MD) or a medical radiology professional (RRA)who’s monitoring the final assessment of the ai even if it’s working properly cause as i mentioned earlier this one is a hella sensitive profession (cause you’re responsible for a human being life ) that burden cannot be givin to machines any time near (not within our life time tho )

[pure copper]

Is that you Neil? Don't you live there already?

[real river]

Hi, long time no see. Do you still remeber me?

[pure copper]

Would i have asked if i had forgotten. I was just thinking of you, cause i was going to post my maze challenge again...( No Internet referencing.)

[real river]

oh oh oh, you still remember that argument? Okay, I am ready again 😄

Btw, how are you these days?

@pure copper really good to see you again

hmm, no reply greeting? 😧

[stark warren]

Anyone good in android app development?

[pure copper]

I'm at work. In training. Could not respond right away. Not mad. 💃

Of these form controls are so hard to learn. So much abstraction. I'll never get to the actual glue code. The guts would be so easy to do, but i can't get the display selected.

Too much to read

So hard to type also, as i have to use perfect English here, as that's the primary point of this hub also.

[pure copper]

What r u looking for a usa person for? ||Marriage green card? ||

🥳

[real river]

aha, I am considering an Australian marriage green card now, so would you like to help me? 😉

[shell bluff]

Hello friends

[oblique jacinth]

Hello my dear friends 🖐️ @real river @pure copper Do you know each other from The English Hub, or somewhere else?

[shy glade]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1219488060216180767

[mighty robin]

wow third conditional used by a native

[mighty robin]

i cant imagine somebody wanting just the green card lmfao, its like, signing a contract for a citizenship but you sign with yourself

not with a pen

wouldnt it be safer to just move there and live for a while, and then obtain the citizenship via naturalisation process

like i know it takes time and effort, but its the best way, right? lmao

[pure copper]

🙇‍♀️

[pure copper]

Neil is only an illustrious English hub colleague, hoping to lead me down the path of high technology computing.

[pure copper]

And my brother trying to get out of the USA. Scenes from 12 hours ago as the meth lab next door to him burns to the ground.

The international community should be standing at the border handing out warnings to those crazy people trying to get in.

[real river]

So, what do you think about that @pure copper ?

[pure copper]

What sort of assistance are you looking for?

[real river]

hmm, what kind of assistance can you provide 🤔

[pure copper]

Moral support

[real river]

Aha, I don't need it

[pure copper]

[real river]

By the way, thank you for your support, I will consider the Australian marriage at my child's generation 😂

[pure copper]

Well back to the computer world

[real river]

yeah

[pure copper]

Seriously, i need a control that is easy to use on a Windows form in c++ that can give me a grid of size x, y, that i can easily shade or place single unicode (or any string) into, that doesn't require 60000 lines of code to control.

Not coffee

[real river]

um, you know my major is javascript, not c++

[pure copper]

Most stuff is language independent

[real river]

I remember you blame me that I use chatGPT when I solve the code challenge in several language 🙃

[pure copper]

I feel like I've got to build a bitmap form to get what I'm looking for. So overkill

[pure copper]

It didn't solve the challenge. That is the problem.

But hey, ask it my question then,. I'm not on speaking terms with chatgpt

[pure copper]

Safer to move there first and determine the best arsenal to keep close at hand.

[real river]

#include <Windows.h>
#include <vcclr.h>
#include <msclr/marshal_cppstd.h>

using namespace System;
using namespace System::Windows::Forms;
using namespace System::Drawing;

ref class MyForm : public Form
{
public:
    MyForm()
    {
        InitializeDataGridView();
    }

private:
    void InitializeDataGridView()
    {
        DataGridView^ dataGridView1 = gcnew DataGridView();

        // Set the size and location of the DataGridView
        dataGridView1->Size = System::Drawing::Size(400, 200);
        dataGridView1->Location = System::Drawing::Point(10, 10);

        // Set the number of rows and columns
        dataGridView1->RowCount = 5; // Set the number of rows
        dataGridView1->ColumnCount = 5; // Set the number of columns

        // Fill the grid with some sample data
        for (int i = 0; i < dataGridView1->RowCount; i++)
        {
            for (int j = 0; j < dataGridView1->ColumnCount; j++)
            {
                dataGridView1->Rows[i]->Cells[j]->Value = "Unicode"; // You can set any string here
            }
        }

        // Add the DataGridView to the form
        this->Controls->Add(dataGridView1);
    }
};

[STAThread]
int main(array<System::String^>^ args)
{
    Application::EnableVisualStyles();
    Application::SetCompatibleTextRenderingDefault(false);

    MyForm^ form = gcnew MyForm();
    Application::Run(form);

    return 0;
}

😊

[pure copper]

I'll do some reading.

Thanks

[real river]

I have learned C++ 7 years ago then I nearly forgot it

[real river]

thanks chatGPT to be honest, 😅

[pure copper]

I have used datagrid 15 years ago and have forgotten it.

Thanks chatgpt. You will save the world

[real river]

hmm, up till now, I believed that peoGPT is much better than chatGPT 😆

[pure copper]

I'm just hard core DIY

Poor upgrading

(upbringing i mean). Damm kb ai

[real river]

I see, that's nice

hey, do you know why this happens?

[pure copper]

But i still need some serious algorithm designed from the human mind of members of this channel (not mr chatgpt) as that's not actually any fun. That will bore tunnels around a blank canvas.

[pure copper]

That is the Peo insult interceptor AI failing.

[real river]

I see

I am sure that you may meet many people in this channel

I know you don't accept friend requests but just wonder if you have any friend?

from here?

[pure copper]

You do understand that that means, you were not insulting me.

That was me insulting an AI

[pure copper]

I'm trying to find the bot that beat you up here.

[real river]

posting is failed. It means discord stands on AI too? 😂

[mighty robin]

Yeah but thats the US

I bet the UK is safer and better

the healthcare is, thats for sure

[real river]

okay, I will wait

[pure copper]

I can't find the log for the bot nor the anonymous bot that did this. I suspect it is the last 6 or so characters being interpreted as an arabic or hindi or other programmed bad word sequence.

Let me ask the bosses

[real river]

okay

[pure copper]

It was the 7,8th last characters that are banned.

[real river]

why it is banned?

I see

[cunning garnet]

Hello everyone,I'm new here
I hope I'm welcome

Can I promote my YouTube channels here?

[mystic obsidian]

guys i was deleted my disk partition by wrong is here anyone can help me

if there are some one can help pls dm me

[pure copper]

Hi, welcome. Feel free to chat. We all like talking tech. Just don't self promote or advertise.

[cunning garnet]

👍🏼.

[shy glade]

Oh

[buoyant siren]

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thats my code is it good im very new

[violet shuttle]

Okay, my advice: use backtick for sending a code.

[pure copper]

Hopefully you have not continued to use the machine, but try something like minitool partition software. The stuff is pretty good these days at identifying what is and was on a disk. And restoring and extending positions etc. Ofc, hopefully you did a disc backup before attacking partitions,

[mystic obsidian]

how can i download it @pure copper

[pure copper]

The is a free version and cost version. If the free version does not help you, the are other partition software available. I have used this free version about 1-2 years ago and it did all the stuff i wanted,

https://www.minitool.com/partition-manager/