Русский

[foggy yarrow]

ЯВЕРТЫ

It's Russian layout made to be as close to qwerty as possible

[balmy condor]

Yaverti

[foggy yarrow]

Well I sure hope they deliver it tomorrow

@balmy condor how does your learning regiment look like

[balmy condor]

i dont have any plans at all, i just randomyl learn stuff

[foggy yarrow]

@mossy bluff

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condor here's a quick way to learn russian words
In words that end with "-tion", replace "ion" with "ция". "Information" becomes "информация"

[balmy condor]

Oooh nice

[foggy yarrow]

navigation becomes навигация

Etc etc

[balmy condor]

I've also seen the -ине what's that do

Or did I spell it wrong from memory

[foggy yarrow]

Do you have an example word

[balmy condor]

Sorry no

I don't remember it

Oh wait

[foggy yarrow]

I think it should be "ние"

[balmy condor]

I think

[foggy yarrow]

E.g. "наказание"

[balmy condor]

Поражение

[foggy yarrow]

Oh yeah that

You can't easily translate those

[balmy condor]

I see

[foggy yarrow]

-ние turns the verb into a noun. Поразить -> поражение

[balmy condor]

So just Пораже is loss?

[foggy yarrow]

In English, an -ing verb can be used as both a noun and a verb

[balmy condor]

Or similar

[foggy yarrow]

Well I think this one is a special case

For a different word though

"наказать" - to punish
"Наказание" - punishment

[balmy condor]

Nweh gonna наказать naughty students

[balmy condor]

Isn't that also kinda special

Because ть

[foggy yarrow]

No, all verbs are like that

[balmy condor]

ть common ending for verbs?

[foggy yarrow]

It's like "to" in English

To eat, to crush, to shit, to walk

In Russian they become кушать, разрушать, какать, ходить

There are no special cases

[balmy condor]

какать lol

I heard the name kakat somewhere before

[foggy yarrow]

Tbp said it once

[balmy condor]

I think it was тетрио actually

[foggy yarrow]

Ah

[foggy yarrow]

About Kazakh language

I realized I know very little about how it actually works

[balmy condor]

@mossy bluff how do I efficiently say "suck my balls" to my Russian friend

[mossy bluff]

@foggy yarrow let me one moment

I'm at work

[mossy bluff]

Иди в жопу

[foggy yarrow]

I mean you wouldn't say that specifically in Russian

Why would you suck balls???

[balmy condor]

how is an accurate way to say it in russian

[foggy yarrow]

Makes no sense

[balmy condor]

a

[mossy bluff]

Doesn't exist

[balmy condor]

not like that

[foggy yarrow]

Пососи мои яйца if you translate it literally

But it doesn't quite make sense

[balmy condor]

is there somethign similar i can say to him

because its funny

[foggy yarrow]

The thing with и and й is that и makes a syllable on its own, while й doesn't; it adds an "e" sound at the end of the vowel
For example, "my" becomes "май", because it's just one syllable with two vowel sounds

[foggy yarrow]

I mean пошёл в жопу is really close to what you want to say

[balmy condor]

and whats that

[foggy yarrow]

go into an ass

[balmy condor]

a

in german we also dont have lick my balls

we say lick my dick

or my ass

instead

or rather "lick me ON my ass"

[foggy yarrow]

if you want a softer version, иди в зад is an option

Зад means "back". "the back" in Russian means your ass

To refer to the spine, you say спина

[balmy condor]

spina

very original

[foggy yarrow]

Russian, English, German, French, etc come from proto indo european

[balmy condor]

that makes sense

english is from germanic origin

[foggy yarrow]

There you go

The whole list

ENJOY

[balmy condor]

Большое спасибо

Just random Russian off of YouTube

Insane

What is I just

Let autofill make some words appear

@foggy yarrow

[foggy yarrow]

Similar content to English

Nonsense

[foggy yarrow]

Ok that's hilarious

@balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

huj

Understandable

[left sun]

eartrumpet the savior

win11 ruined the volume mixer fr

[balmy condor]

I love not being w11

But it's being shoved down my throat from windows

[foggy yarrow]

I installed it on W10 to switch audio outputs for each app

Such a lifesaver

Пришли как-то Пупа и Лупа получать зарплату. Но в бухгалтерии всё перепутали, и Лупа получил зарплату за Пупу, а Пупа за Лупу
@mossy bluff

[left sun]

i think it's fine, it's pretty much win10 with some makeup

[foggy yarrow]

I'd rather use Linux tbh

I'll buy a 512 ssd from the next paycheck

[balmy condor]

Yes but I still would not like the changes

[left sun]

i would if it weren't for gaming

[balmy condor]

Since I've heard a lot of annoyances from w11

[foggy yarrow]

Hi Erik

Did you understand the anecdote

[left sun]

calls me a boomer but hates change like a boomer

[balmy condor]

I'm on my wau

I'm 18 soon

[mossy bluff]

Lmso

[left sun]

fr

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to join you

[left sun]

you'll never catch up to me tho

[balmy condor]

As for the fact I'm barely able to read let alone understand words

Probably not

[left sun]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-gif-11785532389901559578

[balmy condor]

I can't WAIT till I'm older than YOU

[left sun]

dunno, probably the same amount as win10 annoyances

it's still windows after all

[balmy condor]

I can only sort of put it into Roman, and then I die

[foggy yarrow]

I think default task manager in the middle is rather bad

Put it into sounds

In Russian, У always makes the "oo" sound

If you put it into Roman you'll read it like English or Deutsch, which don't have that sort of simple pronunciation

[balmy condor]

Actually I've been calling it like that

That's the German U Sound as well

[foggy yarrow]

The "eu" in "Deutsch" is pronounced "oi", but in Russian you'd pronounce it "e" "u", because we don't do that
The "sch" is pronounced as a single sound, but they'd be separate sounds in Russian

In the end, you'd read it as

[balmy condor]

There is Ch and sh, similar but not the same

[balmy condor]

Well you don't say it like that since you have something else for it

Aleman or something

[foggy yarrow]

For what

[balmy condor]

German

[foggy yarrow]

Немецкий

[balmy condor]

Nemetskij

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah you are a Nemes

[balmy condor]

Aight then

That's pretty uh yeah lmao

[foggy yarrow]

Kazakh has a similar word, неміс

[balmy condor]

What's the ij ending for languages

Is it just ii

Pronunciation

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Nice

Similar to семечки

Coincidence I think not

[vast creek]

Disable TPM in bios problem solved

[balmy condor]

In BIOS oof

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah doing that makes Windows believe that your pc is incompatible

[balmy condor]

Great then I'm not interested in w11

[foggy yarrow]

I'm interested in Arch Linux xmonad

[foggy yarrow]

WYSI bros

[foggy yarrow]

A
I'm not suicidal or anything, it's work related

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654716551186087953/1146986882593460365/D1B02843-89D8-44D0-8494-0076083B0F21.mp4?ex=656002c6&is=654d8dc6&hm=6210fdb2f7a91eff18c347661834aab9cd0ceca74b2648211ebe09c7a829bc0b&

@foggy yarrow

[foggy yarrow]

Fnuy video

It's a tongue twister

[balmy condor]

it seems very belvieable

consider the natuire of them

[foggy yarrow]

What does?

[left sun]

sounds tough to pronounce

[foggy yarrow]

It is

Especially if you know the language

Simpler phonetic systems in other languages are like a cheat code

[left sun]

maybe we need a қазақ channel

[left sun]

@foggy yarrow is this how you write Kazakh in Kazakh?

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah that's correct

Idk if we need a Қазақ channel

I don't think there's demand

Does anyone want to know more about it?

[left sun]

it would probably be pretty inactive, like most language channels :o

but it wouldn't hurt to have it

[foggy yarrow]

Thonk

Well, if you insist

Make the OP pic that one where an american actor wears a chapan

Was Nicolas Cage

[left sun]

#1177298846485844038 lmao

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condorare you getting better at reading?

[balmy condor]

I've been able to decipher better a bit

I don't try much for it, but u recognize stuff here and there

[foggy yarrow]

Not understanding, but just knowing how it's supposed to sound

That's what I mean

[balmy condor]

I think I do know better

But I havnte looked up stuff

[foggy yarrow]

Ok giys

Why is "умница" a good thing, but "умник" a bad thing

[balmy condor]

umnitsa umnik
whats the word means

[foggy yarrow]

clever girl
clever boy

However, умница is literal, but умник is sarcastic

[balmy condor]

russian is sexist confirmed

[foggy yarrow]

All languages are, however usually in the other direction

[balmy condor]

From a video

What's the letter after K

[foggy yarrow]

Л

[balmy condor]

Really

Wow

I see this similar at D

Is this common in handwriting?

[foggy yarrow]

It is the handwriting

Котик
Тепленький животик

[balmy condor]

P is litterally PI

[foggy yarrow]

You mean π?

Yeah we write π for pi but lowercase for П is different

れ

"ok this lowercase п looking thing is re" is how I memorized hiragana

[balmy condor]

thats an interstign way to go about iot

[foggy yarrow]

@mossy bluff

[mossy bluff]

XDd

[left sun]

what does that say

[mossy bluff]

Te lo digo en español porque mira
Nosotros vivimos en un tiempo , cuando básicamente no se entiende nada...me olvidé de lo que quería decir, perdón

But in Russian it sounds more silly

[foggy yarrow]

The sillyness is very difficult to translate

[foggy yarrow]

Fun fact about Russian
In this meme, he says "ниче не понятно", which translates to "nothing is not understood". But it actually means "I don't understand anything"

[balmy condor]

so i was just messign around

somehow got to this

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah it's a thing

[balmy condor]

no]

i got it on accident

idk what happend lol

[balmy condor]

ATK = ATK
DEF = защ
Yeah makes sense

[foggy yarrow]

Where did you find this from

[balmy condor]

A game

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/ZmUMWxjotgY?si=JYWwB7WmfJ7OCJS8

Mf predicted iPhone X 2 years before it was announced

[balmy condor]

Sozdavalsya lol what a word

[foggy yarrow]

Was being made
Was in the making

"создать" means to make.
-вал changes the meaning to "was making". Создавал for now
The -ся at the end is very similar to the Japanese せる verb form

For example, きかせて means "make someone listen", in other words to tell something to someone

Just like this, -ся changes the meaning from "was making" to "was being made"

[balmy condor]

Cool info

I like that

[foggy yarrow]

In Russian, there's an onomatopoeia for spitting
"Тьфу"
And there's also one for the sound you make when you're trying to collect some of that gooey green liquid from your sore throat, "хап"
Combine those together and you get "хаптьфу". When you say this on the internet, you appear very polite to the other person and not at all as if you collected all the green gooey liquid in your throat and spit it into their face

Also, you can say "тьфу на него/неё" to say that you don't care about him/her. You can also say "плевать мне на это" which is the same thing but you can also apply it to objects, not just people

[foggy yarrow]

@mossy bluff do you hear it too?

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/0ls9ZM3dBB4?si=ctPd2HwdnHlPXozj

[foggy yarrow]

Actually just realized Russian is similar to Japanese in some ways

Like if you want to invite someone, you say "will you not go with me?"

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condor I understand now
The Ж sound!!
You know how to make a SH sound, and also how to make a S sound. Surely you can feel what happens in your mouth when you switch between them? Try to do the same "switch", but instead of switching from S, switch from Z

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow

[foggy yarrow]

The sound I meant was "s sh"

And then do the same but for z

well tbh idk

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/PBds2CecgDA?si=rfVHzhouARQpTFqV

[balmy condor]

just saw Витьюберы Гений

on a twitch streamer

first word is probably vtuber right?

is 2nd genius?

@foggy yarrow

because i now THINK that very possible i can pronounce ы now

[foggy yarrow]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Omg no way

[foggy yarrow]

Slightly nsfw

[balmy condor]

That's hard to put into Latin letters

But I should keep on trying

[foggy yarrow]

||Kto pervy konchit, tot darit pobeditelyu PS5||

||Chyort, kazhetsa menya odurachili||

@balmy condor can you try prnonunicing it

[balmy condor]

Both?

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Alright one minutes

[foggy yarrow]

German accent Russian 🤤

[balmy condor]

Oh I didn't even consider that lmao

[foggy yarrow]

Hot 🔥🔥🔥

Actually maybe I'm not allowed to say that until your birthday

[balmy condor]

I'm legal

It's 14+ here

Say whatever you want

Nice ok but

How bad was it

I can't imagine that that was very good at all

[foggy yarrow]

Was ok
Missed a D sound in pobeditelyu

[foggy yarrow]

I'm moving to Germany!

[balmy condor]

Cool then

also man that's fast

Mostly because I don't know why it the words

Cuz I'm not even using anything to learn I just

Pick up random shit

[foggy yarrow]

Watch Russian stuff

Idk if you got kinopoisk but that's a good start

With Eng sub

That's how I learned Japanese, pick a word you hear often and figure out what it means from the sub

[balmy condor]

I see

[foggy yarrow]

Still takes way more time than properly studying though!

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow

Got a russian ad

[foggy yarrow]

Good job 😭

[balmy condor]

I do not know how

Looks like it's about a vacation

But I can't decipher what any of the words mean

And эксперту is crazy

How do I read э

[foggy yarrow]

It's about getting a lawyer in Israel

[foggy yarrow]

"expert"

Literally just expert

[balmy condor]

I was thinking of that

Wasn't sure

[foggy yarrow]

E in expert is a different sound from E in

Idk

[balmy condor]

EExpert?

Ixpert?

[foggy yarrow]

Expert in English is same sound as in Russian

[balmy condor]

Ä

[foggy yarrow]

But in Russian э makes the E sound from expert

[balmy condor]

The second e?

[foggy yarrow]

I'm trying to think of an English word that has the Russian E sound

[foggy yarrow]

No they're different

One is like "eh" and the other is "ie"

Japanese has the word "ie" which means "not at all". If you know Japanese, pronounce that but faster

[balmy condor]

Eckspurrt

[balmy condor]

If I do that fast, it sounds like a je

[foggy yarrow]

Good

That's how it's supposed to sound

[balmy condor]

jexpert

[foggy yarrow]

Can you voice msg

Also the stress accent falls on the е not the э

Is not expert, but expErt

[balmy condor]

Just for a bit

What do you want

[balmy condor]

Can't, discord shit itself

Holds on

[foggy yarrow]

Can you say the Russian expert

[balmy condor]

Ah I think I get it

Э is the English E sort off

[foggy yarrow]

That's what I said

[balmy condor]

Because е is je

e ok

Makes sense

In th context of the ad

Does it mean "tip from an expert"

Or something

just 'к' smells fishy

еах I may be getting somewhere

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/tIny8d84XTs?si=Dd4dvwSNlzmd9mYZ

[balmy condor]

Имошинол Дамэч

I know this doesn't mean anything

But I reached to fuck around

[foggy yarrow]

WOW

10/10

A native Russian speaker would say "эмоушинал дэмэдж" but yours is also good

Among gamers, "дамаг" is also common

[balmy condor]

But that has hard g no?

[balmy condor]

I was only trying to fuck around with the sounds to make it make 'some' sense
Because I didn't know any of the words and why look it up

[foggy yarrow]

Orly

I look up words all the time

[balmy condor]

Yeah that makes sense

[foggy yarrow]

Well not in English

Usually if I don't know the word in English, it wasn't useful to know until that point in time, so I don't know it in Russian either

[balmy condor]

Russian guy doesn't know russian

[foggy yarrow]

I'm not Russian
It's the same situation as Japanese or Chinese not being able to write in their language, but being able to read it, except worse

I can't remember the word but I will understand it when I hear it

[foggy yarrow]

When you use other languages, you won't "forget forget" your mother tongue, but you will eventually have a problem trying to remember a word

[balmy condor]

Ok but surely kazakh is close

It's like Germans and swiss German

But with less similarities I bet

[foggy yarrow]

Kazakh is not a Russian dialect, and isn't even a Slavic language. It's closer to Turkish than to Russian

[balmy condor]

That feels wrong

[foggy yarrow]

Kazakh people are not Russian people. We're a result of tons of people choosing to live in a certain area

It's like white Americans not knowing that they're British or German, and just calling themselves American

Except it's been long enough that it doesn't matter for us anymore

I imagine a large portion of our DNA is Mongolian because Mongolia has invaded us before

[balmy condor]

That's not uncommon

[foggy yarrow]

Look it up

I don't mean to be condescending but please educate yourself

[balmy condor]

I believe you, but it still feels kinda insanely uncanny

[foggy yarrow]

We know Russian because we were a part of USSR

[balmy condor]

The thing you associate with russian more, is more Turkish

Commas Erik please

[foggy yarrow]

hearing Turkish for me is like an English speaker hearing Deutsch

Or french

[balmy condor]

Not very fun

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow so im in vc with friends that know russian well

came to it tat i said spasiba

they said it was almost perfectly pronounced

ggs

[foggy yarrow]

wow

wp

[foggy yarrow]

tbh mentality wise we're probably closer to Russians

we understand a lot of Russian stuff

[balmy condor]

How so

I need to know

Don't you pronounce all russian letters

And not skip over any

No silent letters

[foggy yarrow]

Э моу ши нал дэ мэдж

You use Э instead of И because the Russian word for emotion is эмоция. That's a secret rule for a Russian accent that few people know about

And Ч is ch. The g in damage is дж

[balmy condor]

I didn't know you guys also had ou like that, bit sounds kinda jp

[foggy yarrow]

Somewhat ig

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow tutorial on 17 russian swear words
Блять

[foggy yarrow]

What tutorial

[balmy condor]

It was a joke

Based on blyat having a bunch of different meanings

[foggy yarrow]

Ah

[left sun]

https://fxtwitter.com/tarkov/status/1735605047960928646

what does it say

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow

[foggy yarrow]

Hi

Alyarm!
In the city infected are walking with signs of sharp chemical poisoning. They all before that were on Tamoffka (?)

Don't go there!

I'm in the process of solving the problem

I'll give an antidote to everyone later

Don't die before I make it, like poisoned rats

@left sun

[foggy yarrow]

It's literally what it says we don't even have that word💀

"alyarm"

[left sun]

it looks like the english word "alarm"

[foggy yarrow]

It is supposed to mean that

[left sun]

i see i see

[foggy yarrow]

But we don't have that word
Everyone will understand it tho

[left sun]

thanks for translation :o apparently it's a mini-event happening in tarkov before they wipe the servers

[foggy yarrow]

Typically you'd say "Тревога"

[foggy yarrow]

Do you know Belgian

[left sun]

belgium has 3 official languages

french, dutch and german

[foggy yarrow]

I knew German will be on the list 💀

[left sun]

tho german is a small minority

[foggy yarrow]

Oh

So you know all 3 then
Wth

[left sun]

it's more like

59% dutch
39% french
2% german

[left sun]

nah lmao

[foggy yarrow]

And 100% reason to remember the name

:kmm_aquavibe:

We don't have the emoji where aqua headbanging

https://tenor.com/view/minato-aqua-hololive-aqua-cute-tiny-gif-20743111

[left sun]

we do

[foggy yarrow]

Oh nice

[foggy yarrow]

Why embed fail

[left sun]

works for me

[foggy yarrow]

💀

[foggy yarrow]

Hey erik

Did you know that in Russian, the word "schizophrenia" is read like it's in German

So it's not skitso, but shizo

Шизофрения

[balmy condor]

in german its Schizophrenie

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/qGTzegr1pbI?si=zSt9YAaGmU0isGxO

[mossy bluff]

@foggy yarrow

[foggy yarrow]

A

Слушаю

[foggy yarrow]

Выздоравливай

[mossy bluff]

Спасибо

[balmy condor]

mmmm rus

[balmy condor]

vlivaj, damn what a way with letters

[foggy yarrow]

Hey Erik

[balmy condor]

yes

[foggy yarrow]

So fast

[balmy condor]

rng

[foggy yarrow]

Did you give up on Russian

[balmy condor]

i havetn i just havent gotten stuff to study with, so its on halt

[foggy yarrow]

はやい！！！

[foggy yarrow]

You should watch things in Russian...

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condor
https://youtu.be/LgrV5zEhi8U?si=o_CcMC7EH7R9zsEk

@mossy bluff ето ти

[balmy condor]

oooo

[balmy condor]

From a blue archive video

I learn сиськи

Yay

[foggy yarrow]

congrats

You should also learn титьки, same meaning but sounds more childish

Alternatively, "мимиськи", which makes you sound like a toddler

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condorwould you like
A cool Russian Youtube channel to watch

Probably everyone watches it nowadays

https://www.youtube.com/@toplesofficial

This is basically a Russian vsauce
Except it's not like vsauce at all

In closed caption settings, you can choose to use google translate for the videos. Listen closely to what the guy says, use English or German subs to learn words and stuff

[balmy condor]

very nice of you veronika

sorry i forgot to reply to this earlier

[balmy condor]

very h

aplodusment
applauese?
and the second one is muzika
so must be music

one part of this is 'dont fuck with me' gotta find it

i pchielka Bashwnyu bez kapota dabaj-ka ne pizdi

[foggy yarrow]

Yes

Aplodisments

[balmy condor]

omg lets go

[foggy yarrow]

you mean davai-ka

It's a v sound

What video is this from

[balmy condor]

I do yes

My brain is a bit slow on v

https://youtu.be/u32IsXld5MI?si=w9h9aWKvYWVblWiH

This is the video

I like music

[balmy condor]

wtf

silver is so hard

sieriebro

[foggy yarrow]

I bet you'd be a huge fan of the word for "silver colored"
Серебристый

And it's not considered complicated or anything

[balmy condor]

nah its ok

only the 'silver' part is annoying

(to me)

specifically 'sierie'

[foggy yarrow]

Complicated words you'd use in everyday speech is like
"Усовершенствования"

[balmy condor]

fuck off what is this

[foggy yarrow]

It's not considered a smart or difficult word, but I imagine it's difficult to you

[balmy condor]

it is

[foggy yarrow]

Совершён - completed
Совершенство - perfection
Then you add the "у-" prefix.
Усовершенство - upgrade, improvement
Then you add the "-ван-" postfx
Усовершенствован - upgraded, improved
Then you make it a plural with -ия
Усовершенствования - installed upgrades

[balmy condor]

i in my everyday covnersation mention 'installed upgrades' very often indeed

[foggy yarrow]

You should roll your Rs it would sound sooo much better

[balmy condor]

im sowy

i can, but its a difficult change to get used to

[foggy yarrow]

In the context of upgrading a car for example, it would be everyday speech for you

[balmy condor]

ok but often is strechign it a little bit

[balmy condor]

but not that rare either i imagine

[balmy condor]

better than me

[foggy yarrow]

I don't have a perfect, TV news reporter speech, so I skipped the 2nd V

[foggy yarrow]

Duh, I was born with this language

[balmy condor]

so voaniya?

[balmy condor]

damn, i never knew!

[foggy yarrow]

Усовершенстования

Усовершен стования

When practicing speech, I recommend doing each syllable on its own, and then combining them. Also, instead of trying for the whole word, I recommend doing the first two, then the first three, then four, and keep incrementing until you can say the whole word
У со вер шен ство ва ни я

I imagine "ство" is difficult to pronounce. You can skip the T at first to make it easier

[balmy condor]

i did the last part already whilst trying to bettert it( but not that throughly) but ill keep it in mind

[foggy yarrow]

10/10

Ствол - tree trunk

[balmy condor]

didnt think that was too hard either
maybe becuase of my own native language?

stvo is similar to 'two' a german word which also mean two, its liek stvo , but without the s

so i hear that before, and that as then not so hard

[foggy yarrow]

If you have any questions ping me any time

[balmy condor]

i just post randoms hit i find, because i havent seriously started any speicifc learning thing
itll happen i promise

[left sun]

itll happen i promise
just like with japanese

[foggy yarrow]

Your L is soft
Try using the L from melt

[foggy yarrow]

Me with Japanese

[foggy yarrow]

What do the bars express

[balmy condor]

imagine them as STEPS on a stair

or if you wanna use bars, difficulty

[foggy yarrow]

I see

I think Japanese is easier than people make it out to be

[balmy condor]

i discvered that that its probably too much for to remember that many letters

[foggy yarrow]

And Romance languages for English speakers are more difficult than people say

[balmy condor]

whereas russian, is also not easy, but at least its CLOSER to previous languages

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah they share a common ancestor

[balmy condor]

indo-germanic

[left sun]

it depends on your background honestly

how similar the phonetics are to langauges you already know

and the grammar and culture as well

"english speaker" is too broad of a category to judge them as a whole imo

[balmy condor]

i think its at least necesary to seperate native and non

[left sun]

even within natives tho

[foggy yarrow]

I don't really mean for English speakers, I mean in general

[balmy condor]

thats why i said at least

[left sun]

nah, if you're korean i'd imagine it's wayyyy easier to learn japanese

than if you are american

[left sun]

i agree, romance languages aren't easy, but also, they're difficult for different reasons compared to smth like jp

[foggy yarrow]

For me, I started learning Japanese from like, the first time I heard it and read subs
Words like "temee", "omae", "bukkorosu", "naosu", I learned from the first few episodes of JoJo's Part 4 (I watched first 3 parts in Dub)

It felt so natural for me to do that I'm still dumbfounded at how few weebs actually know like, anything about the language at all

[left sun]

well ye, isn't that just admitting you've had a lot of time exposed to japanese and thus it's easier for you?

like, you aren't watching and reading spanish books and movies all the time, obviously it's gonna be harder to get into spanish

[foggy yarrow]

Actually, if I had a translation on the screen all the time, I think it would be easy

[left sun]

for what, spanish books and movies?

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah 🤔

[left sun]

yea

isn't that the point tho

you're arguing japanese is easier

but your bias is you've been exposed to it a lot

[foggy yarrow]

Not easier than Spanish, just easier than what this diagram shows

[left sun]

maybe

there's too many factors tbh

just enjoy learning, and if people find japanese harder than you think it is

you don't need to look down on them

[foggy yarrow]

My other bias is I already spent time learning English

I have some skills when it comes to language learning that other people don't have

[left sun]

idk about that

many people are multilingual

and many have learned languages apart from their native/mother language

except for ig the us where most people just know english

in any case, does it really matter? who cares if someone is better at learning a language than others, if they both end up learning it and enjoying it

[balmy condor]

da, i am enjoying this so far

[left sun]

good now get tarkov and be my ingame translator

[balmy condor]

нет, отвали

[balmy condor]

If you buy me tarkov I'll learn quicker

[left sun]

if you'd play it i would consider gifting

idk if you'd enjoy tho

can your pc even run it

[balmy condor]

Shit no idea

Lmfao

I'll send specs

my GPU is certainly the most lacking

[left sun]

idk that gpu, i'm googling but apparently r9 200 series is a family of cards, not a specific card

do you know the specific name of your gpu

[balmy condor]

Nope

its a gpu from my dad

he got these a long time ago

probably before i was even planned

but idk if it can be that old and that good

[left sun]

you can try this if you wanna know

[balmy condor]

i have that

[left sun]

kwurtee doesn't have an rtx but he can run tarkov just fine
his laptop with even worse specs can run tarkov too but not with the best fps

also let's move to #🎮︱gaming or smth lmao

[balmy condor]

helpful

[balmy condor]

ye sure, but i was in the process so yeah

[left sun]

it's big brain time

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/ozUHHOTEsT0

[balmy condor]

Пог

Погчамп

[foggy yarrow]

Do you agree erik

[balmy condor]

I can't understand it yet

Aaa

[foggy yarrow]

It's Cyrillic written with Latin letters

Мы с тобой на одной волне

bI is ы

[balmy condor]

Nah tbat I didn't even lay attention to

That's why Ы looked off

[foggy yarrow]

And Д Л Й

[balmy condor]

Cyrillic is close enough to Latin, that you can replace certain letters

Not all

[balmy condor]

Yeah lmao I didn't pay attention too much to it

You're right obviously thoug

Still can't understand it lol

[balmy condor]

Wouldn't it be then волхе?

Since Latin H

Maybe I'm just thinking erong

[foggy yarrow]

Н is N

It looks Cyrillic, you read it as such

Even if it's composed of Latin letters

[balmy condor]

Ok yeah I know that, I thought wrong

[balmy condor]

But what am I agreeing to

[foggy yarrow]

I don't think you understand what I meant here

It's not like romaji in Japanese

But rather like if you have a 1960s typewriter from America in the USSR that only has English letters, but you gotta type Russian with it somehow, so you come up with ways to make Cyrillic letters from the Latin letters

[balmy condor]

Ид муш рахер рид Рушиан ин сирилик, фанкс

[balmy condor]

Good thing is that today this isn't necessary anymore

[balmy condor]

And this is horrible

Absolutely disgusting

[foggy yarrow]

See, you still don't understand
This would be closer to what I actually mean
І'д мисһ яатнея геад Яи55іаи іи Суріллік, тһаик5

Before you ask, yes, i and h are letters in the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet

[balmy condor]

I was doing something else on purpose

[foggy yarrow]

I see

[balmy condor]

Based on what the message said

Lol

What I said there I meant it

[balmy condor]

Russian but it's seasoned

[foggy yarrow]

Oh come on

[balmy condor]

I'm not wrong

It has some salts in it

[foggy yarrow]

Ok let me make an example here. I'll say the same thing in Russian, and then in Kazakh

[balmy condor]

Alright, I'll listen, though you know I'm joking

[foggy yarrow]

Ye ofc

I just want to flex my Kazakh :hyperxd:

[balmy condor]

That's quite different

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah because Kazakh is not Slavic

[balmy condor]

What is it then

kazakh is kazakh

[foggy yarrow]

Now listen to Turkish, which is a lot closer to Kazakh than Russian is

[foggy yarrow]

Turkic language
NOT turkish

[balmy condor]

More examples of Turkic?

To get an idea

[foggy yarrow]

Uzbek, Mongolian, Tatar, Uyghur

[balmy condor]

Mongolian wow lmao

[foggy yarrow]

Actually not sure about that one

Nvm Mongolian is in Mongolic

Ok so it's Turkic language family within Altaic language group

Japanese is a distant relative of Kazakh wtf 💀

Nevermind it's an outdated theory

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/UdZGRoMunKU?si=fR6UT6e6nJB4Ddx1

Ayo
Steve is actually so good

You can tell he's not native, and he can't pronounce some sounds, but he sounds like a very kind grandpa

And the other guy sounds straight up Russian ☠️

Most of the time

Most of the time

[vast wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

old message but yes i was bored and decided to read stuff here

[foggy yarrow]

Japanese is really not that difficult to listen and speak

[vast wharf]

100% cant say the same for myself

[balmy condor]

oh boi

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow how the hell does X work
its an H, but also pronounced liek ch

[left sun]

it's really easy, the way X works is you post a tweet and then other people can reply to your tweet, then you can have a feed where you can scroll and read a ton of tweets

[balmy condor]

ill kill you

[left sun]

[foggy yarrow]

Ч is Ch, I don't know what you're on about

[balmy condor]

not liek sh

not ch from match

ch like in chroma

[foggy yarrow]

X is German sch

[balmy condor]

but thats sheh and shuka

[foggy yarrow]

Ch in chroma is a k...

[balmy condor]

look hard without voice

[foggy yarrow]

Wtf is a sheh

[balmy condor]

thats how i heard it from rush

[foggy yarrow]

Oh ok Ш

Wait I'm stupid

[balmy condor]

thanks

[foggy yarrow]

I'm sleepy

3 am

[foggy yarrow]

Ok let me try to explain this once again

It's not that X is two sounds
It's English that has two ways of writing the same sound

[balmy condor]

ive seen x for like xaxa, like laughing
but then i also heard it as a krrch

[foggy yarrow]

Krrch?

Do you have an example

Or maybe voice message

[balmy condor]

xapaktep

(sorry is from song the voice)
pronounced liek character

[foggy yarrow]

Oh well
Ха is pronounced like the Japanese ha
It's like the sound you make when you breathe out with your mouth all the way open

It's not the only way, but rather just a thing native speakers do to speak faster

[balmy condor]

so then, how does it go from ha, to more of a krrch

[foggy yarrow]

It does not

See, it's not a krrch

I think

[balmy condor]

maybe im just deaf

[foggy yarrow]

Could be a mistake on the speaker's end

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2oq6vDWbM

there

idk

its in the fiorst 10s

[foggy yarrow]

And yeah it doesn't mean "character", it's closee to"personality"

[foggy yarrow]

Oh yeah that guy is not saying it correctly

He just said a k instead of h

[balmy condor]

sweet

that lifts confusion

[balmy condor]

sorry if i uh, take advice from somethign wrong

im just taking in chill for now (excuse for me being a lazy shithead)

[foggy yarrow]

It's ok I spent 6 years learning Japanese and I still barely know any

I think what you're doing is good work

You don't have to put effort into everything, you know. Just have fun

[balmy condor]

this is fun

i am also scared to try leranign aopps n shit

idk

new things

[foggy yarrow]

They're useless on their own but I heard that it's good as a secondary source

[balmy condor]

mhm i see

[balmy condor]

Ok but then
How do I transition into a better understanding
Surely I can't just pick up random shit every once a while and eventually get somewhere

[foggy yarrow]

I think having English or German sub will help. That way you can hear a sentence and understand it completely.
According to the comprehensible input theory, you learn a language by understanding a majority of a sentence, and inferring the meaning of the parts that you don't understand from context. Having English subtitles is like a safety net for when you can't infer the meaning, or when you come up with multiple versions

I got somewhere with just that, but I think you'll be bottlenecked very quickly. Once you're more comfortable with Russian, use Russian sub instead, and use Google translate when needed

[balmy condor]

I don't think I know enough words yet for that
Or I'm thinking wrong

But I like what you said though

[foggy yarrow]

It's viable for a complete beginner. Watching JoJo's bizarre adventure, I figured out the most common words from the first few episodes, like omae, temee, nani, etc

[balmy condor]

Aight

Sounds good, though I need to actually motivate myself to try it

[foggy yarrow]

If you have a netflix, you can probably turn on rus dub

If you like mr beast, you can switch audio to Russian

Even YouTube's subtitle translation thing will be of a great help for just Russian vids

[balmy condor]

Oh that's gonna be weird

I have this on mark rover, not on purpose, it's just set to fucking German there

You know his voice so well and then it's like not anymore but you can still great it being the other voice

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow that ne zhenat
is that a saying or something

it feels like it'd be one

[foggy yarrow]

Не means not
Женат means married

[balmy condor]

shit\

[balmy condor]

Ok so what is 'good luck'

[foggy yarrow]

Luck is "удача"
Wishing luck is "желаю удачи", which is shortened to "удачи". The word "удача" is in the genitive case, it's kind of like adding a を particle after a word in Japanese

[balmy condor]

Ми Не удача

Let's go

That's nice

[foggy yarrow]

Ми???

[balmy condor]

Trolling

I don't know words

[foggy yarrow]

If you mean "me" or "I", it's Я (pronounced や)

You said "I am not luck"

There's also the "не-" prefix that negates the meaning of a word. It's kind of like "anti-", "un-", "de-" prefixes in English

"неудача" means unluck

[balmy condor]

I thought ya was I am

[foggy yarrow]

Whej pronouncing though, there's no difference in sound between the prefix and the particle

[balmy condor]

Can it be both

[balmy condor]

Ya is like Ja in German, or Sounds the same, don't worry too much about what sounds the letters make, I can figure them out pretty well

[foggy yarrow]

I am is "я есть". Nobody really says that though, it sounds like you're Hulk or Groot from Marvel

[balmy condor]

I usually already have a solid idea how to pronounce

[balmy condor]

So it's normal to go like "I boss" or "I Erik"?

[foggy yarrow]

Yep!

"I Erik" would be informal though

[foggy yarrow]

It's actually the same for all nouns and pronouns

"that tree" is "that's a tree"

"she driver" is "she's a driver"
"Couch bad" is "couch is bad"

There's also no "a" and "the" articles

I.e. all words are indefinite

[balmy condor]

Does that make it harder or easier

Less clutter I suppose

[foggy yarrow]

Probably easier

Most of the time you don't need words to be definite

And when they do, you often use pronouns instead

"он, она, оно"

is a Russian pronoun

My battery is dying

Byebye...

[balmy condor]

Later

[balmy condor]

Context is then not too hard to find right

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Аяя that's fun

I like me a language that's not too hard

So like
Спасибо иди would be correct right

[foggy yarrow]

No

"thanks go"

What are you trying to say

[balmy condor]

My bad wrong word

[balmy condor]

After you helping me out, what du you think I tried to say

[foggy yarrow]

I have no idea, it feels completely irrelevant to what I said

[balmy condor]

Im trying to say "thank you"

Because you're genuinely very helpful

[foggy yarrow]

"спасибо тебе"

"тебе" means "to you"

😊

[balmy condor]

Is it used like English

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah

Usually you'd just say спасибо tho

[balmy condor]

I wanna be a bit extra nice today

[foggy yarrow]

Why is rushia not chatting here

I thought we'll teach Russian to Erik together :(

[balmy condor]

she not active rn

needs a break

[foggy yarrow]

She hadn't visited the channel for months though

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

she just forgot probably

[foggy yarrow]

I pinged her a few times and no reply

[left sun]

idk where you count 6 fingers i only see 5

[foggy yarrow]

Not my post

Point of the post is they made a "Evgeniy Onegin comic book" which is actually just a bunch of inconsistent AI generated anime-esque pictures with speech bubbles on top

And they'll sell it for $10

[left sun]

i see i see

[foggy yarrow]

They do admit that it's AI at least

[foggy yarrow]

As in, I got this from a news report

[left sun]

i mean if it's clear then it's fine imo

if they're trying to hide that it's ai then it's not fine

you really can't regulate ai work, the best we can do is normalize tagging your works with ai-generated or at the very least ai-assisted if applicable

that way you have a way to share ai art without having to pretend it isn't ai

or sell ig if people are into that, it's kind of a gray area

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah tbh

@balmy condor I can't believe English doesn't have Ж sound

[balmy condor]

dje

odd soudn tho

[foggy yarrow]

Except Ж doesn't have a D in front

[balmy condor]

its the best way i can spell it

[foggy yarrow]

It's like maGenta without the g

[balmy condor]

maenta

[foggy yarrow]

NO

[vast wharf]

maenta

[foggy yarrow]

https://youtu.be/Qbyh0VEpGas?si=EyAkpL1RC2G3_xk6

[vast wharf]

maenta

[balmy condor]

these bits of texts of these vids are interest

though i havent translated anything

BUT int hat vid

they say harakter correctly

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow can i get how numnbers work in rus?

[foggy yarrow]

Same system as English pretty much, just with different words

[balmy condor]

thats cool

i wanna try to get somethign simple in my head

its not gonan be that useful, but everyone learns numbers

[foggy yarrow]

Один 1
Два 2
Три 3
Четыре 4
Пять 5
Шесть 6
Семь 7
Восемь 8
Девять 9
Десять 10

Сто 100
Тысяча 1000
Десять тысяч 10000
Сто тысяч 100 000
Etc

You gotta use the counting form of a number when combining though

Also, words are gendered, so be careful

[balmy condor]

my language is the most genderred on the planet

(dont fact check that, i dont know)

[foggy yarrow]

Тысяча is feminine, so for it it will be одна, две, три, четыре тысячи. For the rest it's just the regular number and "тысяч". Пять тысяч, шесть тысяч, etc

The tens are special. It goes десять, двадцать, тридцать, сорок. After that, it's the same number but you add "десят" at the end. Пятьдесят, шестьдесят, восемьдесят, etc

[balmy condor]

so 11 12 13 14

or did i misinterpret

[foggy yarrow]

No 10 20 30 40

11 12 13 14 also special

NO THEY'RE NOT

I'm sorry I'm just trying to theorize on the go

They're just the number and you add "-надцать" at the end of the word. Одиннадцать двенадцать тринадцать

[balmy condor]

nadtsat

mhm

[foggy yarrow]

Четырнадцать

Not четырьнадцать

[balmy condor]

@foggy yarrow

Continuing from what you just aaid

"Глядит means to look." How would someone say to look at someone

And is that connected to 'watch'

[foggy yarrow]

Смотреть на кого-то
And yes смотреть means to watch, but смотреть на means to look at

Kinda like look means to look and look up means to search

[balmy condor]

Interesting

[foggy yarrow]

I gtg feel free to bombard me with questions

[balmy condor]

I don't know sentences well

But I wanna try

Я следует смотреть русский видео

[foggy yarrow]

Would you like this corrected

Also if you speak Russian to someone and they laugh at your mistakes
Don't take it personally, they're not doing it because they're evil, but because it sounds funny

Could be a cultural thing as well. I remember laughing at my classmates English. They thought I was evil

I apologized to my closest friend recently and he said he didn't remember it

[balmy condor]

yeah, tell me whats right and wrong

[foggy yarrow]

So

First of all, it should be "мне" instead of "я"

Мне answers the question "to who?". Similarly, тебе for ты, вам for вы

[balmy condor]

note that i:

goodle translated to get should and video

because i dont know words yet

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah that's not the correct i for what you're trying to say

[balmy condor]

drop the I's and tell me about em, now i wanna know

[foggy yarrow]

Other than that, "русский" should be "русские" instead

Because видео is plural

Or rather uncountable? I am not sure

[foggy yarrow]

Russian has 6 cases, each modifies the noun slightly

[balmy condor]

context cues tell you

proabbly

[foggy yarrow]

For a native speaker, it's easier to remember the cases by what question they answer

[balmy condor]

ive seen worse

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah and

And I don't know what any of those are

I just use the language

[balmy condor]

na that was just to say 'looks hard, but should be doable'

[foggy yarrow]

See, apparently, the questions are not possible to translate into English

Or rather I can't do that

You're better off finding a video that explains the cases and their rules on YouTube

That's why you don't learn from a native

[balmy condor]

i know that feeling

i know how to write german perfecty, i just cant explain it sometimes

i KNOW how words are emant to be structrured, but idk why, i just know whats right

[foggy yarrow]

I'm fairly confident I could explain Japanese things in English

But not Russian

💀

[foggy yarrow]

You see, the cases answer these questions:
Кто?
Кого? Чего?
Кому?
Кого? Что?
Кем?
О ком?

And I can't translate them into English because they'll all be just "who?"

[balmy condor]

ah thats brilliant

[foggy yarrow]

When will Xapia learn Russian

[vast wharf]

i dont think i want a 5th language to struggle with

[foggy yarrow]

What fifth?

?????

[vast wharf]

if i learn another language, it will be my 5th

[foggy yarrow]

I thought you only knew English, Chinese (forgot which one), and Japanese

[vast wharf]

no

i know malay as well

i live in malaysia

[foggy yarrow]

Ooooo

Woah

[vast wharf]

arguably better than my chinese despite me being chinese

[foggy yarrow]

Chinese was cantonese?

[vast wharf]

mandarin and hokkien

though more mandarin than hokkien

hokkien is like for family

mandarin is for friends

and other people

[foggy yarrow]

My Russian and English are way better than my Kazakh

Despite being a native Kazakh speaker

😱 you know a lot of languages

[vast wharf]

i do yes but i dont speak any of them very well besides english

1st language: english
2nd: malay
3rd: chinese
4th: japanese

[foggy yarrow]

上手ですね

[vast wharf]

nah

not jouzu at all

i dont get to practice the other languages often because i stay in my comfort zone and mostly interact with people who speak english exclusively 💀 thats why i suck at everything else

[foggy yarrow]

Yeah I only text these days and only in English

[vast wharf]

same i barely ever text in another language

[foggy yarrow]

I'll read Dostoevsky to lvlup my Russian

[vast wharf]

as for speaking i just speak english everywhere to everyone

[vast wharf]

[balmy condor]

5th french

[vast wharf]

NO.

my mom learnt french, gave up, and tells me about the horrors of that language

never

i will never learn french

[balmy condor]

I'll make you an offer you can't refuse

[vast wharf]

sincerely, go fuck yourself

[balmy condor]

I will, thank you

[vast wharf]

no problem

[foggy yarrow]

Just found a thing in English that's super similar to what Russian does with its prefixes

To prove means to provide hard evidence

But what if something is impossible to prove? Then we call it unprovable

Hold up. I just used the word "Impossible", which in turn means not possible. Therefore, the "im-" prefix means "not", just like the "un-" prefix. Therefore, "improvable" is also "not provable", and is also "unprovable"

Except it isn't. "Improvable" means "possible to improve"

It's not regular and there's no logic for these prefixes in this scenario

But in Russian, words have prefixes that follow no particular rule

Or rather, there are rules, but there are lots of exceptions

[foggy yarrow]

@balmy condor wanna hear my russian speech for 3 minutes?

[balmy condor]

go ahead

[foggy yarrow]

One sec it uploading

[foggy yarrow]

IDK if you can play it actually, weird format that telegram makes when it records sound
https://files.catbox.moe/ze0hi0.oga

[balmy condor]

cant