日本語

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im reading マッチングアプリで出会った彼女は俺の教え子だった件 rn lol

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Idk why it would sound bad

[full mauve]

its omega slop

well some ppl dont like slop

[full mauve]

going to yosugala and 茅原実里 in japan yAY

also ado in amsterdam w

spent way too much on tickets

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Wtf Japan

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ado ditched us for this world tour 😔 im never gonna be able to see her perform

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... she'll come back eventually, you know

[dusky carbon]

how would i know for sure

[full mauve]

😭

shell come for sure eventually

ado is too popular lol

[dusky carbon]

maybe

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Wow
These titles are more and more interesting

[full mauve]

😭

"マッチングアプリで出会った彼女は俺の教え子だった件２"

this is so fucked up but i still binged both volumes in 1 day almost

its crazy that when i read books like these there is like 1 or max 2 words per volume that i dont know lol

i feel like i should spend more time on listening and trying to get my pronunciation and output better

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Bro can read

(I am very jealous)

[full mauve]

w

enough money burned on concerts

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WTF Chihara Minori

Flx I think I get the difference between 普段 and 普通

Former means "in the past when it happened", and the latter means "according to the social norm"

Imagine this situation. You pet a cat and the owner says
この猫普段に撫でさせないのに
"even though in the past the cat didn't let strangers pet it"
You can't use 普通 because this has nothing to do with social norms

It's just a personality of the cat

Am I correct

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I want to 撫で撫で the 千石 撫子

[full mauve]

what about... 平素

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はつみみ

[full mauve]

平素より弊社はご協力のために日頃からの感謝を致します。

[full mauve]

lol

普段、平素、常日頃 basically all mean the same

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フレックス何か大嫌い

😭

[full mauve]

どうして！？

別に悪いことしてないじゃん

嫌われるようなことした覚えが全然ないし 😭

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やっぱり好きです、付き合ってください

[full mauve]

えっと。。。

それは困るよｗ

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https://youtu.be/2v1836Kq8AQ?

💀 pronunciation

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Yes they are

+ratio

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はい？？？

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Hi

Lmaooo

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https://youtu.be/31FijONDVj8 HAI DOMO

[quartz stream]

very serious looking place

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stare

angel next door but 逆性別

and age gap

@full mauve do you prefer 年上のお姉さん or 年下の妹

honestly I like the latter. the 幼馴染 trope especially. i wonder if there's an anime where the main love interest is 幼馴染

https://anilist.co/anime/124675/Osananajimi-ga-Zettai-ni-Makenai-Love-Come
Ok I will watch this

WTF character design by Shigure Ui

kmm_uidance

[full mauve]

older better

btw i dont think u say toshi ue no onee san

onee san implies that she is older already

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that's what Sein says in Frieren
https://youtu.be/WrUEeJdkAr0

僕は間違っていない

[full mauve]

ig its technically not wrong but personally it feels a bit redundant

"Yes, saying 年上のお姉さんが好き can be seen as redundant in a literal sense, because the term お姉さん already implies someone older than the speaker (at least in the context of family or polite speech). However, it's not uncommon in conversational Japanese to use this phrasing to emphasize or clarify specific preferences.

Here’s a breakdown:

• お姉さんが好き: This can simply mean "I like older sisters" or "I like women who are like older sisters," without specifically emphasizing age. It might also just be shorthand for liking someone with an older sister-like vibe.

• 年上のお姉さんが好き: By explicitly stating 年上, you’re emphasizing that it’s not just the “older sister” vibe you like, but specifically the fact that they are older than you. It adds a layer of precision, especially if you’re describing a preference for someone older in a broader sense, beyond just the familial tone of お姉さん.

When is this useful?

If you're using お姉さん metaphorically (not for an actual sibling), then adding 年上 clarifies your intent. It prevents ambiguity in contexts where お姉さん might be interpreted as just "a nice older woman" without focusing on the age gap.

Natural usage

In casual speech, 年上が好き might suffice since お姉さん already carries some nuance of "older." But if you want to sound specific or emphasize the "older" aspect, then 年上のお姉さんが好き is fine, even if slightly repetitive. It can also add a playful or exaggerated tone, depending on how it’s delivered."

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wow

chatgpt

[full mauve]

chat gpt sama**

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flx stare~2

[full mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zG_w-QsdLs

😭

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what does it say
hold up i have mihon

best german

travel

oh so you're going to travel germany

[full mauve]

yes

ill go to germany...

happydays

21 days till my flight...

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Bruder geh weg

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@full mauve so there are lots of "villainess" isekai animes, but do you know of a game that's actually built on that kind of world?
if you don't know about the villainess genre:
the main character of the anime is a 平民, pure/innocent kinda girl, who is able to use magic. In this world, the only people who can use magic are of born into nobility, and since she's able to use magic, the nobles deemed her a noble and made her enroll into a magic high school/academy, where she meets her 攻略対象, often including the prince, his little brother, some kind knight who likes fights, a studious magic genius in glasses, etc, and all of them are イケメン of course

I want to play that kinda game

[full mauve]

otome game?

look for 乙女ゲーム

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Yeah otome game

おすすめはありますか？

[full mauve]

i never play otome so nope

i only play eroge

happydays

and normal vns ig

(mc male)

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happy hoildays everyone

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Do you know a romcom where the mc dates an idol

Light novel

[full mauve]

prolly yes

more thjan one

lol

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WOW

I need

[full mauve]

its a common trope

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Not the "school idol" like Shiina btw

[full mauve]

https://www.cmoa.jp/title/1101338186/

https://www.cmoa.jp/title/1101307717/

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This is the one I saw on mudae but I really don't want a loser good for nothing mc

[full mauve]

he aint a loser ig

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I read the manga, cute

In English...

🫢

[full mauve]

https://www.cmoa.jp/title/1101398670/

this also gud

not exactly idol but 芸能人

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Lmao what

Is the mc also an actor

[full mauve]

yea

both r child actors

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有名人？

And 幼馴染!!!

[full mauve]

geinoujin

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What's the difference
Is what I was going to ask but it's pretty obvious

Not all celebrities are actors

[full mauve]

geinoujin = (entertainment related) celebrity

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Yeah

When will we get Nue and Flx romcom

[full mauve]

who is nue

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Me

My old username

[full mauve]

ohhhh

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@full mauve can you explain why お嬢様タイプ end their sentences on かしら and ですわ？

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also 頂戴 is a common sentence ending

[full mauve]

bcuz its a ojousama thing

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ok

I love ojousama

😭

[full mauve]

meh

mid

jk language is >>>>>>>

woooo

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jk language is crazy
ちょぉぉぉぉ受ける

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ngl flx

maybe 姉さん isn't that bad

by the way, 姉さん can also mean "young woman". I learned it from usagi drop, they said "もう姉さんだね" to the little girl on her birthday I think stare~2

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lol

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omg it's Ryo pfp Max

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yes

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https://youtu.be/WlPZZI_uLII

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@full mauve I love this

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gyze

I am coming back once again, I did fall off after last time

but I've now got a duolingo super plan

because someone in my work got a family plan and added me to it, and there's a few of us here learning languages so they will be giving me a nudge to ensure I keep my streak

it is time

to become nihongo jouzu

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Wb bro

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Tyty

I did a test and luckily I seemed to have retained most of my knowledge

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When I tried duolingo, it was just showing a sentence with kanji on the screen and asked me what they mean

Without actually teaching any kanji first

And it didn't look like it starts with the more common ones

[quartz stream]

It is like that tbh but you just learn by being wrong

[frail leaf]

@quartz stream, you've reached level 49! ☄️

[quartz stream]

aka I will press a random one, and get it wrong and then see the answer and remember it for next time

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Duolingo is forcing me to learn kanji, why the fuck is the kanji for the yo in yomimasu so much man

I will never understand kanji e.e

[dusky carbon]

kanji is stupid

youll run into even more difficult kanji eventually

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the kanji ゆううつ

憂鬱 otherwise known as this

鬱

Trace this, checkmate

[dusky carbon]

time to give erik a stroke with my handwriting

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mines worse lol

[quartz stream]

Agreed

It would be okay if like there was logic to it and you could work out the word from the kanji, but when it’s just random characters and you’ve got to memorise them and (I think) they change spending on the word they are in

Like bruh

Confusing

[quartz stream]

Bruh

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Idk about y'all but I treat the different words as synonyms (i.e. different words) that go into the same character

[quartz stream]

That is how I try to think of them as as well, but I didn't know if it was actually accurate

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X2TEPm9QEO8

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@hearty socket tetrio discord has hit new lows

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Amazing

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Great response though, nice

I read the context around it

Lmao did bro get banned

Gits has a lot of int, and you proven it

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response

[full mauve]

this is the best written 憂鬱 ive seen in my life lol

[dusky carbon]

thamk

[cursive dock]

a lot of kanji have meaning on them because they're just combinations of radicals and other kanji

and i do agree that kanji speeds up reading

but yeah it is a pain to learn

[dusky carbon]

kanji always pain

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more jp translations which i'm hopefully doing properly

[full mauve]

id switch out from to より

also featuring id just replace with 写真集 or 特集(ik its not the same as featuring 1 to 1 but sounds a lot more normal than 登場)

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also just realized it's wrong in english, it's supposed to be "by <artist>" instead of "from <artist>" lol

<artwork> by <artist>, featuring <character> from <source>

[quartz stream]

it's actually so frustrating how much better my listening is than speaking/writing

like I think my memory is bad

but then I hear anything and understand it instantly???

but I just can't form sentences

GRRRRRRRRRRRR

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https://youtube.com/shorts/ljvveWjbDiE

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@full mauve there's a Japanese learner in my software dev class :o

[full mauve]

first japanese ライブ done

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[full mauve]

宇宙カップ麺 😳

[full mauve]

[quartz stream]

eruption warning?

I can't read kanji well 😭

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something about ゴミ aka trash

[quartz stream]

gomi desu

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Japanese is insane

I just realized 今さらcomes from 更

And I finally realized why I find Japanese so charming

I think it feels like if toki pona had 2000 words instead of the 140ish

[full mauve]

a place to collect bags with ash

the volcano errupts so often that they have a designated ash collection system

randomly ended up riding from here lol

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[quartz stream]

I see

I need to study kanji ;c

[quartz stream]

from this since I knew nihon and that's it lol

fuck me

[full mauve]

ay better than nothing

i made a ton of pics of stuff i had trouble fully reading lol

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https://youtube.com/shorts/k_sqg72VVYE?si=oOh32TI-Sjtp7xJt

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@full mauve does shadowing work

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idk lol

[quartz stream]

I'm making it, I'm starting to get pure japanese channels on my recommended

and I'm just watching them and understand quite a bit, it feels good

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Aureiller

[full mauve]

目的達成

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https://youtube.com/shorts/OO-FXMwf7X0

[quartz stream]

nuenweh

[quartz stream]

I hit a 30 day learning streak on Duolingo

Tbf people shit on Duolingo but I do think it does work

Probably not as efficient as other days but I’m definitely learning a lot

Definitely a good place to start

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Grind never stops

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Fr

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It's acceptable as a secondary tool for learning

But imo just use anki

[quartz stream]

I agree but for now I’m going just use Duolingo since for me the way it’s gamified helps me commit

I’ll switch to anki at some point down the line

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with jidoujisho/yomitan, you automatically get words into the deck as you read books

which is nice

[quartz stream]

Fair enough

[full mauve]

i immersed in メイド喫茶 today💀

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What the hell

Meanwhile the only immersion I have is watching anime and reading 歴史に残る悪女になるぞ

[full mauve]

not bad either 😳

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I still don't have anki

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https://youtube.com/shorts/FM49Z7MlAr8?si=3LjeXTzproleYmnW

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Flx do you know the "Blade dance" song on osu

The anime of that song is actually really good lmao

Low budget but very wholesome and cute

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it comes from an anime? :o

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Yeah, called "seireitsukai no blade dance"

[quartz stream]

yeah it's decent

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I told you to watch it for the cute girls like a year ago

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My memory is really hazy right now, but I may have watched it when you recommended it to me

I feel a deja vu right now

[full mauve]

ik

[quartz stream]

Now that I’m really getting into studying Japanese and have been doing it for a while it’s getting really fun

It’s so satisfying just like… knowing stuff

It’s kind of cringe but I’ve been like having full on conversations to myself in Japanese just to try and practice

Sort of like simulating scenarios in my head

I think one bad side of Duolingo is it doesn’t really explain grammar that well, such as when to use “wa” or “no” (although I did learn from this chat that wa often is for identifying the subject)

But sometimes that can be a bit confusing for me

And Duolingo just doesn’t explain it at all

[full mauve]

i just studied grammar from immersion lol

900円😭

卵かけご飯 is shortened to TKG btw lol

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How to anki

[quartz stream]

Progressive ahh prompt

Big Ken wearing a skirt

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What about ふりかけご飯

[dusky carbon]

smash

[full mauve]

didnt see that being 略d

[quartz stream]

Is “no” used when something belongs to someone?

I see it mainly coming after people in sentences

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It's closer to "of" in English, but yes you can indicate possession with it

It's more wide though. For example, you can use it to specify smth. きょうだい　の　リアム means "the Liam of Kyoto university"

Or でんせつ　の　3にん to mean "the legendary three"

Yk, from naruto?

Yeah I guess that's just what it is. Even when you specify someone's belongings, it's pretty much the same idea

[quartz stream]

Ahhhh right I see

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I think I'm a bad teacher for writing those long texts 😭

[quartz stream]

Makes sense, I understand

Nah I think you are good

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I just feel like I often go into details when not prompted

[quartz stream]

Oh

[full mauve]

凸凹

凹凸

if u know both readings ure a pro

[dusky carbon]

my brain shitting out the mandarin pronunciation

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@full mauve any 悪役令嬢ranobe not isekai/tensei/time leap, where the mc has a character progression arc over the course of the novel

Would be cool if tragedy where she gets beheaded despite changing as a person

[full mauve]

no idea lol

i went to summer pockets island lol

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My gf on the left

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Flx I use my tablet with windows ink and yomitan highlights everything my cursor hover over

Any tips

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@full mauve how do I make jidoujisho work with anki?

It just says that it has an error

Ok it works now

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short hair >

[full mauve]

pro

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Blonde hair >

[full mauve]

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Flx do you know of any light novels about living with a JK where the mc is a young adult

言っておくけど、俺はそんな趣味じゃないからね

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Me when pekora is pakore

[full mauve]

hige o soru ?

psure thats also a ln

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ye similar to it

might read higehiro

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https://hanabira.org

[full mauve]

korean mentioned i like

[quartz stream]

japanese learning still going strong 💪

I do think I need to recover all my characters at some point, since I do feel as I'm kind of skipping them which definitely isn't good

but 41 days duolingo streak so far, and I'm getting through and understanding more for sure

just been having like mock conversations with myself lol to practice

[quartz stream]

this is embarassing, it's been a few years to be fair but I can't even remember all the main basic hiragana 😦

dunno if it's any good, but this is the guide I've been following to learn japanese other than duolingo https://www.tofugu.com/learn-japanese/

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I'm "learning" Japanese since 2018

[quartz stream]

I've just been ignoring them because I can still learn it without them but it's getting slightly inconvenient now

I had like a month 2 years ago where I went pretty hard on learning it and learned all the hiragana + had lets of immersion from anime but then I left it until now

so now I've got to relearn them lol

luckily I think I'm already further in terms of just speaking it though, as in I know a lot more... just in romaji form lol

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You're better than me I bet

[quartz stream]

absolutely not

I've seen you typing in full Japanese, you're way better than me lol

I speak like a 1 year old baby who just learned how to say their first words

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I typed because I have a dictionary that translates romaji for me

[quartz stream]

oh that's cool, I should get that

is it yomitan?

it doesn't really work well for me from what I've seen

I think for now I'm going to learn all the hiragana and katakana, and then I'll try pick up some kanji at some other point

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Voice typing is one option but it's not super reliable
こうして出来るよ

時間かかるけど

ネットも必要だし

別の方法はいたら凄く助かる

おねがいします！！！
@full mauve

[full mauve]

flick is the best option

its by far the fastest way to type mobile japanese

i switched from romaji keyboard to flick 3 months ago and im already same speed on flick as i was on romaji now

[quartz stream]

NICE

oops caps

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I was asking on how to pick the correct kanji when typing if you can't read yet

[full mauve]

just convert ?

whats the issue

how is that taking time lol

u need to press one thing on ur screen

[quartz stream]

it's so weird listening to japanese songs I used to listen to all the time, and like, actually understanding them

especially when they're clearly songs with deep meanings

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I don't know what they mean and use Google translate each time

[full mauve]

real

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbbj5wCuiA&si=O_cSF3WoXp9WNI5O 😭

i remember listening to this so often in osu before studying japanese that i still sometimes hear my made up lyrics instead of the actual lyrics

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I still hear the voices in my head

[full mauve]

i think i spent way too much time immersing in song lyrics

shouldve studied speaking more XD

[quartz stream]

that's me with crying for rain by minami haha

also majiko based

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Should I study speaking before I can read

(I immerse with light novel)

[quartz stream]

I basically practice every but reading lol

like I just fully learn in romaji and then just figured I can just convert to hiragana and kanji n stuff anyway when I want to write online

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The main character is an ojou sama type and her ですわ speech pattern is a bit irritating

[full mauve]

if its fun for you sure

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Idk I feel like I should learn how to speak things

Btw

[full mauve]

i only started studying output cuz of my japan trips lol

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I found a 練習相手！

Isn't that cool

[full mauve]

i still feel like im wasting my time studying a language just for a few vacations but fuck it im doing korean now for 3 kdramas i like shikatanai

[full mauve]

😳

iine

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He doesn't know more Japanese than I do, but

Mf knows Chinese

His reading is 上上上

[full mauve]

yea knowing jp and reading chinese is also a lifehack lol

[quartz stream]

does it actually help? I swear the characters are different

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The ones that overlap definitely help

[quartz stream]

like I look at chinese characters and it doesn't look like japanese at all to me

I could tell the different instantly

[full mauve]

it helps a lot

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Cuz no hiragana

[full mauve]

ye cuz its prolly simplified

not traditional

jp uses mainly traditional characters

nowadays a lot of simplified too tho

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I see

[full mauve]

你是我全部 like this simplified sentence is so easy if u know jp

[quartz stream]

oh yeah that looks japanese

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目 => 眼睛
Very simplified

[quartz stream]

I see

very interesting

[full mauve]

波　濤
桜　櫻

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部 I recognise the b in this kanji as being part of the kanji for kyoto lol

[full mauve]

u can clearly tell the diff between simplfied and traditional lol

[quartz stream]

yeah

[full mauve]

i think i know this from first storm

lyrics

LOL

yep

[tawdry otter]

Hi i am 片言 noob

[full mauve]

💀

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I'm not gonna like, I can't differentiate kanji at all
別 and 剣 look like the same "person holding long stick" thing

[tawdry otter]

Looks diff for me

I know right from kensaku i think

[full mauve]

sometimes im amazed at my memory and then i forget the most easy simple stuff on this planet and hate myself again

[tawdry otter]

Nvm

[quartz stream]

I really struggle with individual kanji, for example if you gave me a full word I would probably remember it, but if it was just one of the kanji on it's own my brain doesn't recognise it

[full mauve]

the more kanji u learn the better ull get at that

[quartz stream]

it's really frustrating

[full mauve]

context is always helpful

[tawdry otter]

I speak Baby japanese but its pretty OK for me in Japan

[full mauve]

i think kanji help with singled out words tho

[tawdry otter]

Its enough for Most Things

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[full mauve]

部屋 = room

[tawdry otter]

Today i Spoke With an eldery Woman lmfao

[full mauve]

its like a picture (kanji) is tied to that word in my brain

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ママ！おちっこおちっこ！

[full mauve]

with korean i struggle a lot more remembering singled out words

[quartz stream]

I'm starting to recognise more kanji more often though, I'm picking up some basics just from like listening to music lyrics and associating the words and things lol

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乙

[tawdry otter]

Today i saw some pair in Kimono and i asked an old Woman If it was kekkon 💀

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Was she 109 years old

[tawdry otter]

And it was

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いいね

[tawdry otter]

No Like 60 idk

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indeed

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I know this kanji from 乙女

[full mauve]

i kinda reached all my goals with reading already so for me now only speaking and listening is interesting tbh

thats also why i lost interest in vns ig

[quartz stream]

I'm going to remember all the hiragana and then do my studying in that from now on since I've been doing romaji

[full mauve]

imma have to see if theres a korean patch for summer pockets 💀

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Noob

[full mauve]

ye just do hiragana and then roll with it

[tawdry otter]

Otome

[full mauve]

u can treat katakana like kanji even

[quartz stream]

yeah, and then I'll just pick up little bits of kanji as I go about

[full mauve]

i just did hiragana speedrun when i started jp and then treated all kanji and katakana like words ill learn on the way

[quartz stream]

yeah

I learned the main hiragana in a day last time and then like half the dakuten ones

https://kana-quiz.tofugu.com/ I'm using this quiz and just going through them all over and over again

until I remember them

[abstract mist]

I may be stupid but when I see カ I think 方 and vice versa

[full mauve]

idk how long it took me but i think it was like a 2 or 3 days of casual studying till I memorized them all

[abstract mist]

I only differentiate from context

[quartz stream]

yeah that sounds about right

[abstract mist]

You memorized katakana???

[full mauve]

hiragana will already open a new world for jp learning so its really worth

[full mauve]

no

only hiragana

[quartz stream]

definitely

[abstract mist]

Me too

[full mauve]

yea that will change over time dw

its normal

[quartz stream]

and then I can put my duolingo in hiragana mode so it doesn't give romaji which will force me to remember it

[full mauve]

i think i suck more at reading katakana than kanji now ngl

katakana are so fking disgusting and ugly

i wish japanese just replaced them with hangul

[quartz stream]

the only katakana I know is ka 😎

[tawdry otter]

I dont even know hiragana fuck

[full mauve]

カ　力　💀

[tawdry otter]

I am cooked in Japan

[quartz stream]

yup 💀

I hate katakana as well tbh

[abstract mist]

What's a yosugara

Night Thrush

What's a thrush

It's a kind of bird?

[full mauve]

no my oshi idol group

i went to their ライブ in jp

and am mapping my 2nd song from them in osu atm 💀

https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/2308681#osu/4938619

[abstract mist]

Wtf

I wnana go too

[full mauve]

i never finish maps usually but theyre too goood

matoi chan was literally 10cm infront of me lol

i was like 3rd floor but during the song she went like up to the third floor and walked through the first row while singing and i had a first row seat 💀

ill never get so close to an idol ever again

[tawdry otter]

I went to Tears of tradegy

Was Bad

Jk

[quartz stream]

Kanji pmo fr bro there is NO need for it to be so many strokes

[tawdry otter]

Idk how to write any Kanji lmfao

人 maybe

[quartz stream]

I know like 5

But I doubt I could write them unassisted

[tawdry otter]

RIP

I never Used duolingo

[quartz stream]

I think it’s pretty good, obviously not on its own though

[tawdry otter]

Idk i only played vns and anki

[quartz stream]

People hate on it too much, but the fact of the matter is, it is the only reason I’m consistent with learning Japanese

That’s fair

I think most people like me would struggle to be consistent learning a language if they were to jump straight into using a tool like anki

And it’s quite boring

Whereas Duolingo is just fun

[tawdry otter]

Ah okay

[quartz stream]

I definitely need to start using more anki though

But one step at a time

[tawdry otter]

Yeah its Not a race

If U do it Long enough youll be there eventuallym

[quartz stream]

Yeah

[abstract mist]

I'm reading a light novel

My shisho would be proud

(flx is my shisho)

[tawdry otter]

Nice

But He is already mine

[quartz stream]

Why the fuck is the same kanji used for Ni and bi ?!?!?!?!

wtf

[cursive dock]

日 = sun
日 = day

[quartz stream]

I guess it just depends on what it is attached to??

[cursive dock]

yes all kanji have multiple readings

[quartz stream]

damn kanji is so annoying grrrrrr

[cursive dock]

in general, they have one for when they're alone and a different one for when they're part of a word with multiple kanji

[quartz stream]

right

[cursive dock]

but they can have multiple for each situation depending on the kanji and words

[quartz stream]

okay fun times, guess I will have to just figure it out over time

I'm not in a rush to learn kanji anyway

it's less important to me

I just want to learn the language first

[cursive dock]

sunday is a funny one cuz both day and sun use the same kanji

[quartz stream]

yeah

it's goofy

[cursive dock]

also funny how english and japanese both use the sun for sunday

[quartz stream]

bruhge

[cursive dock]

monday is moon day in japanese

i wonder if that's where the english monday comes from

[quartz stream]

[abstract mist]

Bro kanji are so cool

[abstract mist]

I was going to say it's just a coincidence but I don't even know anymore

Japanese weekdays come from ancient Chinese, which took them from Persian, and the Persians took it from the Jews. So it's possible at the very least

And idk how reliable the sources were anyway

If the Jewish -> Persian -> Chinese -> Japanese thing is correct, then yes, they both come from Sumeria, the earliest known civilization

[full mauve]

[full mauve]

to read? yes
to write? no

writing kanji is so boring

[tawdry otter]

Its the Same in German lool

[abstract mist]

Why 4 different for same word

[cursive dock]

they mean fast but in different ways
早い is early
速い is quickly

not sure about the others

a lot of words are like this, depending on the details they use different kanji

[quartz stream]

I agree, it’s cool but I hate it lol

[cursive dock]

@abstract mist quick tip that helps me remember the difference, the radical 辶 is related to motion/direction, hence 速 is "quickly"

kanji in words like 道 (みち, road) and 近い (ちかい, near) have this radical

進む (すすむ, to go ahead) as well

[quartz stream]

I find it interesting watching anime with subtitles now, because I can’t help but translating it myself and then noticing how they translated it differently and it’s weird, like I don’t think either is wrong it’s just… different

It’s throwing me off lol

[abstract mist]

Subs are often not 1:1 translated to make it easier to understand without the cultural context required

[quartz stream]

Yeah, I’m noticing that now

Particularly in situations where a sort of context based phrase is used

[abstract mist]

@full mauve I wanna start a student role grind, but for real this time. Any tips?

[full mauve]

read a book or vn with yomitan

on mobile use jidoujisho

[abstract mist]

Literally what I do

[full mauve]

then just keep doing it lol

no need to do anything else

[quartz stream]

🤔

is reading that useful

I guess I'll start doing it then

[abstract mist]

Can't even access the server

[full mauve]

ye

[full mauve]

😭

i can give u a role so u can actually see book sharing without student if u want

[abstract mist]

NO

sonnanja imi ga naku naru

[quartz stream]

time to read then ig

[full mauve]

if u hate reading even just watching stuff with sub and reading along helps

[quartz stream]

jap subs?

I assume

[full mauve]

yea

[frail leaf]

@full mauve, you've reached level 61! ☄️

[full mauve]

im doing the same with korean atm and the gains are pretty good

[quartz stream]

coolio

I do that already with music tbf, impressed with how much I've picked up

[full mauve]

yea music is also good if u read lyrics

esp good for studying some more uncommon words and kanji

[cursive dock]

110%

[quartz stream]

I shall start reading

[abstract mist]

Is 上 just a hand that's pointing up

Am I cooking or am I cooked

[hearty socket]

burnt the kitchen

[quartz stream]

okay I understand the appeal of reading now

I'm able to test my knowledge, learn new vocabulary and learn new hiragana/kanji

all at the same time

very cool

I always get so excited when I translated something correctly

I'm using a website called satorireader, it seems pretty good

gives lots of books and gives the options to use certain characters, read it out loud and gives you the meaning if you want to check as well which is nice

although I keep finding myself just listening to it which is kind of cheating lol

kind of defeats the point of reading 💀

[abstract mist]

I get what you're saying but as long as you can see the text while it's read, especially if the current word is highlighted, you'll improve

[quartz stream]

Yeah that is true

It’s definitely better than nothing

And like I do read the sentence at the same time

So fair

[abstract mist]

@flx I was trynna think of a word in Kazakh and I came up with one, but then I was like

Nah this means "move" but in 移動する kinda sense, not as in "move this somewhere else"

Is this normal

[full mauve]

idk i dont think with an inner voice usually

😭

only when i dream ig

when i dream i sometimes dream in en/ger/jp

[abstract mist]

@quartz stream can you help me translate

What's a ど付き合い

[quartz stream]

Do tsukai? To me that sounds like “going out”

As in dating

Could be wrong though, maybe ask flx sensei

[abstract mist]

Tsukiai

Adding o at the beginning makes it sound polite

[quartz stream]

Yeah I know I think my phone just like autocorrected me or I typed it wrong

The meaning still applies as that is how I understood it from the video anyway lol

[abstract mist]

What I really wanted to know is the difference between ど付き合いand お付き合い

[quartz stream]

I'm not sure tbh

@full mauve help us

[full mauve]

never heard dotsukiai

[full mauve]

oh its not this

[abstract mist]

Then what is it

Flx

[full mauve]

どつく

phone ime sucks

this

basically its a joke

i dont go out with anybody but im having a boxing match with tbis other vtuber

[quartz stream]

[hearty socket]

おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!おっぱい!

[abstract mist]

Wow

[abstract mist]

@full mauve whenever the police in anime arrest someone, they say おとなしく. Do they mean "otona shiku" as in "like an adult", or do they mean "oto nashi ku" as in "with no sound"?

[full mauve]

大人しく

[abstract mist]

Daininshiku

[full mauve]

"oto nashi ku" as in "with no sound"? isnt a thing btw

[abstract mist]

oh

[quartz stream]

I've always understood otona shiku as come quietly

[quartz stream]

no wayyyyyyyy

the classic

[quartz stream]

man it's so weird watching videos of japan now and like just understanding what the people are saying

I'd like to travel to japan, just to test my knowledge, I'm watching ludwig travel japan and it's so cool how he's able to communicare with such little japanese, it makes me interested how well I would do

I'm starting to have a weird phenomon where like

I understand a sentence, but I can't translate it into english

but like I understand it

idk if that's a good thing or not

I think it's more of an english skill issue tbh, I've been forgetting lots of basic words recently since I've been so immersed in japanese tbh

[full mauve]

nah its normal

especially since japanese just has a lot of stuff that cant be 1 to 1 translated

translating is a skill in itself

[full mauve]

i felt like i sucked even when i was like n2 lol

(2023)

even now that im n1+ there was like one or two times i struggled a bit

but 99% of convos went pretty smooth

i got jouzud like 3 times only 💀

[abstract mist]

We don't really think in words

We all think in concepts

So it's ok if you can't translate at first

A word in one language can be translated to another, but it's often not an exact 1:1 translation

[full mauve]

yea thats why bilingual dicts are just a help to get started really

[abstract mist]

There's almost always some nuance that forces you to choose between several synonyms

[full mauve]

try to switch to mono as soon as you can

[abstract mist]

If you're just starting out, you'll struggle because translation can really only be done while considering context

And it's just difficult

E.g. "sumimasen" can also mean "thank you"

It's easier to just hear Japanese and understand it, but difficult to choose between "sorry" and "thank you"

[quartz stream]

can also mean excuse me lol

I didn't know it could be read as sorry though, I always thought it was just excuse me and thank you

isn't sorry gomenasai

[abstract mist]

You see, "sorry" is an approximate translation

[abstract mist]

They're both

[quartz stream]

interesting

but it's weird like, while speaking japanese you would just understand it

[quartz stream]

That’s fair

That’s how I am any time the conversation goes out my scope lol

[abstract mist]

In my experience, the moment you think you're good is the moment you stop improving

[full mauve]

yea cuz u wont be motivated anymore

ive done barely any reading the last 6 months in japanese cuz its just boring now

i could improve still obviously but i feel like im already good enough so i dont have the motivation to improve

[abstract mist]

🔪

[quartz stream]

probably, I feel like I will never feel good enough tbh

until I can turn off my brain and speak japanese I will never feel fluent

[abstract mist]

The definition of success varies from person to person

Even when it comes to twitch streaming. Not everyone comes to get a thousand viewers, there's plenty of people looking to stream with like 10 usual visitors and form a small tight nit community instead

[quartz stream]

yeah that's true tbf

everybody has different goals

idk what my goal is tbh

I don't have a plan for my japanese, I just want to be able to speak it because I think it's cool

I guess the level I would be happy at is if I could watch anime, listen to songs and talk to people during daily conversations comfortably

[full mauve]

exactly

and they change over time as well

[quartz stream]

yeah that's what I expect to happen to me tbh

for now I'm just learning it because I know something will come up one day where I'll be so happy I decided to study it

like there has already been times when I've been like "damn Io wish I knew japanese"

so something else will come up I'm sure

[full mauve]

yea studying a language is never a bad way to spend your time

[quartz stream]

for sure

[full mauve]

im also just studying korean rn cuz its fun

i dont have any goals lol

[quartz stream]

I lowkey think I need to stop watching anime with subtitles, it's starting to confuse me sometimes icl

with english subs that is, I think I will swap to jp

[quartz stream]

yeah that's fair

[abstract mist]

I too don't really have any goals, I just think Japanese sounds cool. I want to eventually sound like a ronin from the edo jidai

[quartz stream]

that's so real

that's basically why I'm learning it as well, it just sounds cool

[abstract mist]

Liam

you should rewatch dress up darling

[quartz stream]

I have like 4 times I think lol

but tbf I might before the next season airs

[abstract mist]

💀

I'm rewatching rn

[quartz stream]

it's like my second favourite romance tbh

[abstract mist]

oh yeah did you watch Ririsa?

I forgot

[quartz stream]

I ended up dropping that tbh

[abstract mist]

Ririsa is very cool

[quartz stream]

and then it got too long for me to want to catch up 😭

[quartz stream]

it is very cool though

I just fell behind tbh

[quartz stream]

when I'm watching anime I can understand the sentences basically all the time, but the second something specific, like an ability name for example, is said I just can't figure out what it is for the life of me

I guess that makes sense though, since I can just think of the ability in its japanese name instead

[abstract mist]

The moment people start to discuss more difficult topics such as politics, human relationships, projects, etc, I fall apart too

[quartz stream]

yeah same

[abstract mist]

@full mauve
この漫画のヒロイン黒川さんは友達のためにノートを書いた。勝手にやったことなのに何でこのチェリ坊やは責任感を感じるの？普通なら、別の人の行動は自分の責任にならないよね？

"I made her push herself so hard"

Also tell me if I'm getting more jouzu at Japanese

Also tell me if your eyes hurt by reading it

He will definitely say that my Japanese is cringe

😭

I learned it from anime after all dattebayo

[full mauve]

Im not reading english manga 😠

ur jp is getting good tho

[abstract mist]

It's a translated Japanese manga

Please explain why he feels responsible for her actions

He didn't do anything to provoke it

[abstract mist]

No reply:(

[full mauve]

idk

im not the author

😭

[abstract mist]

It's a pretty common thing to hear

In anime

[abstract mist]

I keep reading words such as "hate" and "sake" in romaji instead of English words

[hearty socket]

@abstract mist translate the funny for me

[abstract mist]

This video explains it very well
https://youtu.be/85e4THVEb_o?si=

[hearty socket]

Also important

[abstract mist]

😭

[quartz stream]

I need to learn to turn off the English in my mind when immersing, I keep getting distracted with trying to translate instead of purely understanding

[abstract mist]

https://youtu.be/Xma6i5uO174?si=

April fool's in Japanese

[abstract mist]

@full mauve stupid app forgot my book again

[full mauve]

RIP

[abstract mist]

Sounds like a fun title

[quartz stream]

What is that, like the world’s strongest demon lord in another with 10 kids?

Is that what it roughly translates to

I’m not sure what the last word is

Sounds like I’d unironically enjoy it tbh

[abstract mist]

The wife of the strongest demon lord

[quartz stream]

oh

[abstract mist]

Naru is the root

To become

Nacchaimashita is like

"unexpectedly became"

Or like unintentionally

It's like shimau

[abstract mist]

https://anilist.co/anime/143200

@full mauve will you watch

Ok I just remembered

I had a nightmare where I said すれる instead of できる

[full mauve]

maybe but prolly no

im replaying summer pockets atm in chinese

lmao

[quartz stream]

Okay ignore me mixing up sono and sore but this is really cool, the further you get into Duolingo the more useful it actually starts to become

Like it’s not just a click the words game, they also have these ones where you are forced to type it instead

I like that a lot

Why is it the character for wo when it is o??????

This is much harder but so much better tbh, like I’m getting the translation right every time because I know what they would be in romaji, but typing it is so different

Yeah that’s really cool man, so much fun

[tawdry otter]

because you only say "o" when you speak or read, but its written as wo

its the same thing with ha kinda, which you also read or speak as "wa"

[quartz stream]

Yeah I know but I don’t really understand why

It makes no sense

I guess there’s no logic to it

That’s just how it is

[tawdry otter]

ye no logic

it is what it is

[quartz stream]

fair enough

[cursive dock]

it's very simple, because they actually used to be pronounced ha and wo

their pronunciation just evolved over time

(kinda like how the K in "knife" became silent over time)

[abstract mist]

@dusky carbon @violet olive idk where to post

[violet olive]

goated flavour tho

not european friendly

[quartz stream]

huh that's so interesting

makes sense actually

fair enough

man it's so weird like

all of a sudden being able to undestand japanese, like I was playing OW and I was like huh I can actually understand kirikos lines fully

it was a bit surreal tbh

[dusky carbon]

this being in nihongo is hilarious

thanks for maggi asam laksa

[abstract mist]

Actually understanding Japanese is so cool for comedy anime
I'm watching Kaguya-sama rn
In one episode, Fujiwara wants to make the president say "chin-chin"
Kaguya interferes, and Fujiwara finally breaks
もう、私会長にちんちん出して欲しのに！
She means 言い出して, but president doesn't know that. What he hears is "I just want president to pull out his dick". President runs away and calls them perverts
This kind of thing doesn't do well with subtitles

@quartz stream do you get it

[quartz stream]

ahahaha yeah

I never noticed that before, maybe I should rewatch kaguya-sama without subtitles

[abstract mist]

Another one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342161045459963985/1360320817124081825/Screen_Recording_20250411_232746_VLC.mp4?ex=67fab0fc&is=67f95f7c&hm=afbde3662ce4f4d9011d533ba28431d7cd89afdf2a38d9de41922e1f8be0232e&

He's not responsible lmao

四宮が勝手にやったことだ

[abstract mist]

I'm sorry flx

I'm terrible

I'm the worst

I don't learn Japanese at all

I'm just pretending

[quartz stream]

I'm sure you must be studying to some extent lol

chat I've decided recently to go throttle into studying japanese, I've decided I'm going to work here in england for a couple more years just so I'm in a comfortable position, and then I'm going to go for it and try get on the JET program

and hopefully by then my japanese should be good enough where I'm almost guaranteed a spot

[quartz stream]

bruh

I just got an ad, but it actually looks good

(they used violet evergarden to lure me in)

that is really cool though

and it was done by dogen, and I feel like he wouldn't take a sponsor unless he thought it was actually good

might take a look

[full mauve]

migaku is such a scam

it costs a fk ton and u can get literally all of it and even better with yomitan

https://animecards.site/minefromanime/

[abstract mist]

WTF

Flx throwing shade

[full mauve]

??

ive been going all out on chinese for like 2 weeks now

chinese is so fking fun its crazy

korean is so boring in comparison

[abstract mist]

throwing shade at migaku

[full mauve]

yea its a rip off

but if u have infinite money and r lazy ig its worth it

[quartz stream]

Fair, just wouldn’t expect dogen to promote something bad

[full mauve]

well

it works

but its way too expensive and u can get it for free literally

if it cost like 1/4th of the current price i think it'd be a fair price

like im not about to sell ppl my yomitan tutorial for 120 USD

thats matt vs japan stuff

[abstract mist]

Dogen gets paid to promote things

[quartz stream]

Yeah but I don’t think he’d promote something he thought was bad, especially when teaching Japanese is his thing

[abstract mist]

1st of all
Hahahahaha imagine good ads on youtube
2nd of all it's not a "bad" product, it's just mid

[quartz stream]

Fair

[abstract mist]

3rd of all being good at Japanese doesn't necessarily mean you're caught up with the most recent softwares

[quartz stream]

I guess

[abstract mist]

He learned it like 10 years ago

[quartz stream]

True

[quartz stream]

Fair enough

[full mauve]

this

its not a scam i guess

but its just not worth it for the money youre spending

like u can even get pitch colored cards for free with anki and lapis

anki can do everything migaku can + more

just takes a moment to setup

[abstract mist]

I'm pretty sure he learned Japanese before yomichan was even a thing

[quartz stream]

Lol

[quartz stream]

Fair

[abstract mist]

Flx

Is it normal for a fuufu to keigo

[full mauve]

no wtf

[abstract mist]

Ikr

[abstract mist]

https://youtu.be/zmf3srv-YfM?si=

I think I can hear pitch accent

@full mauve

Her name, Tama, isn't the same as 玉

[abstract mist]

They're both read たま

But like, they're not the same

[abstract mist]

Still waiting for the day flx takes in a japanese jk

[abstract mist]

LOL
手を離せ

@quartz stream do you get it

[abstract mist]

Liam probably doesn't get it

手を離せ can mean two things
"Get your hands off me"
Or "let go of the hand"

In this case it's both

@full mauve would you date a Japanese idol despite the social pressure not to?

[cursive dock]

[full mauve]

no

i dont want a famous person as my gf prolly

also im full china max atm so no dating japanese anymore

間違いばかりの今日をまず愛 そうか

ああ 理想だ

also nice double meaning

(ありそうだ)

[cursive dock]

https://youtu.be/WiGw8FuX0Zw

[abstract mist]

A

口

And

ロ

[quartz stream]

Man adding the Japanese keyboard to my phone makes shit so much easier

Obviously…

[quartz stream]

Bruh I’ve been using this app called hello talk to practice my Japanese with actual Japanese people and it’s helping so much

Just like forcing me to use all my knowledge in specific situations and search up what I don’t know so I do for next time

[abstract mist]

I think you should give this "discord" app a try as well

[full mauve]

use flick

hellotalk is fun but also make sure to call eventually

to practice speaking and listening

[abstract mist]

@full mauve grooming: the light novel 💀

[quartz stream]

Wtf did I just read

[hearty socket]

Welcome to Japan

[cursive dock]

why are counters so hard

[abstract mist]

The linguistic lore must be immaculate

[full mauve]

counters are actually chil laf

just say hitotsu futatsu to everything

[abstract mist]

flx

I'm so disappointed rn

[full mauve]

ok

[cursive dock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pr2DCtH2uIc

[cursive dock]

i hit optimize fsrs on anki and now it's sending my cards into the stratosphere

i'll just trust algorithm-sama

[quartz stream]

RIP

I still need to get on the anki game

I'm very lazily just sticking to duolingo rn

which I know is not good

[cursive dock]

[dusky carbon]

i was forced to memorise and then

[full mauve]

隻...

im starting to forget japanese

i study too much chinese

[dusky carbon]

flx cn better than mine at this point

hear u speak cn when 😔

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i can send a voice msg later

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YAYYY

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found dis

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Holy accent lolol

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你听不懂吗

真的可惜

虽然我发音其实还不太标准但中国朋友都听得懂我说的 （除了北方人）

中文真的牛批

ill go to like singapore, vietnam, hongkong and shenzhen next year so ill have to be at least decent until then

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holy shit

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他当然听不懂啊

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1. you dont need any basic mandarin to survive singapore, all you'll do is impress the locals or have them think you're from the mainland with that accent (cus singaporeans do NOT speak like that)
2. hongkong sucks at speaking mandarin, but learning how to read cn will definitely help. if you wanna speak mandarin its a hit or miss cus some of them really suck at it. if you think you can learn some canto by next year, pls do you'll save them a lot of trouble.
3. people in shenzhen will go WAOO

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northern can go fuck themselves

i had a substitute teacher from beijing once and he made my life a living hell like mf did that shi on purpose

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real

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粤语 is like above my pay grade

😭

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mf chose like all the places that speak other languages and dialects

you'd be flexing on these people

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maybe after i speak good 普通话

im watching random ass chinese drama atm

东宫 goated af tho ngl

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the accent alone would have them falling to their knees

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you mean canto accent ?

i feel like canto is low key impossible

4 tones is already difficult enough

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nah ur cn accent goes hard

you should hear how watery mandarin gets in places like singapore and shenzhen

oh well you're going there

you'll see

theyd most likely praise you for your pronunciation

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i know a few ppl from the south and holy shit i barely can make sense of what theyre saying

like even taiwanese mandarin is already really rough for me