日本語

[abstract mist]

Uhhh
bunny girl senpai? Not realistic but I could imagine that 思春期症候群 would affect teenagers the way it is depicted

sorry that I mix japanese in I just forgot how it's called in english

[full mauve]

I didnt enjoy bunny girl senpai at all LOL

[abstract mist]

idiot...

[full mauve]

For me it was like monogatari but without the things that make it fun

[abstract mist]

I watched monogatari but it has too many puns to watch with english subtitles

So I'll watch it when I know Japanese

[full mauve]

I mean most of them are localized pretty well

There are some that are jp exclusive tho for sure

[abstract mist]

in that case my English was not good enough at the time

[full mauve]

I first watched in EN and then read LNs in JP

[abstract mist]

Yeah I'm not doing that

I need to really like the anime to rewatch or reread

Like bocchi the rock

[full mauve]

dam i never read bocchi

[abstract mist]

I read bocchi

And watched the anime 3 or 4 times

[full mauve]

I thought abt reading bocchi but u lose the music

So i decided to not do it

[abstract mist]

honestly the manga isn't even that good

the animation really carries the anime

[cursive dock]

it's called Puberty Syndrome and no it's not realistic at all

you just have futaba making vaguely related scientific statements

you're looking too deep into things

you enjoy explanation yapping which isn't present for the plot of classroom of the elite's setting

iirc they just explain how it is but not how it works

[abstract mist]

Ye not gonna lie

Futaba best girl

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also this should probably have gone in #📺︱animanga

[abstract mist]

Maybe I should've talked in Yappanese

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also idk what you mean by that entire 2nd paragraph

the mc goes over why D class is getting bullied, iirc

and as for the adults being irresponsible, wdym lmao

[abstract mist]

Idk I watched like 2 episodes

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also obviously this is to filter out the idiots who don't read their contracts or even look into how their student income works

what's weirder is how no one in the class noticed

not that they were let free

they're supposed to be "elite", but ig that's why they're D class

[abstract mist]

Mc probably noticed but didn't tell anyone

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yeah

except for mc

anyway, your points aren't the big plot holes you're making them out to be imo

if you didn't enjoy it that's alright, don't need to watch the rest i think the anime was nice and i'll eventually get to watching s2-3 but i don't think it was a masterpiece or anything

[abstract mist]

No I'm watching because flx likes the light novel

@full mauve I blame you for this

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i think he said the LN is better than the anime :o

[abstract mist]

Also I want to watch princess connect
Idk what it's about but it has voice actresses that I know I think

[abstract mist]

So I should read the ln

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i have it in plan to watch

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i don't read ln

so i wouldn't, but if you're up for it go for it

[abstract mist]

No, reading in Japanese pains me

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flx probably read in english

[abstract mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-gif-25749073

Flx is betrayal

[cursive dock]

i mean he has read some VNs in english so i'm just guessing

[hearty socket]

Wouldn't you read stuff because it's not realistic lol

[abstract mist]

裏切り者

[abstract mist]

This means "back cutting person"

[hearty socket]

...backstabber huh

[cursive dock]

backshotter

[abstract mist]

Believable != Realistic
I just don't find it believable personally

[full mauve]

I read in en till like year 2 and then japanese all the way

[abstract mist]

Flx is your pfp hoshino ruby

[cursive dock]

idk, you say that but then listed points that you just misunderstood

[full mauve]

jp is better quality wise but its not a big difference

Therell always be smth lost in translation

[full mauve]

Nah

[abstract mist]

That's it I'm learning korean so that lux can't correct my takes on things

[full mauve]

マリンちゃんだよ

[cursive dock]

other than the "how does the gov fund this" everything else you listed had a decent reasoning

[hearty socket]

I just use the tactic of
The 'dont look too hard into that it's just fiction'

[full mauve]

Fr fiction is fiction for a reason

There is realistic stuff

But dont go into fiction expecting reality imo

It shouldnt have too big plot holes yes but its not reality

Thats why i said go read 実用書 lol there are actually really good ones btw

[cursive dock]

i don't correct your takes or opinions, if you don't enjoy it that's completely fine

[full mauve]

100 litre of tears is amazing

Its like a diary but so crazy good

[abstract mist]

No one understands me

[cursive dock]

you don't need an excuse to not enjoy smth :o

[full mauve]

Ye just say u didnt like it

We are just stating our opinions too

No hate

[abstract mist]

How will I get upvotes otherwise

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[full mauve]

I didnt enjoy bunny girl senpai for example and I stand by that LOL

no matter if ppl hate me or not

[cursive dock]

clearly outrageous

[abstract mist]

I still love you

[full mauve]

Also FMAB has a rating of 1 on my animelist

[abstract mist]

Let's kiss

[hearty socket]

You're just confusing lol

[full mauve]

えー

[abstract mist]

What's fnab

[full mauve]

恥ずかしい

照れるわ

[abstract mist]

Five nights at besties

[cursive dock]

@abstract mist best girl in bunny girl senpai?

[abstract mist]

The uh
Ass kicking Kouhai kun

I forgot her name

[full mauve]

Fullmetal alchemist

[cursive dock]

ohhhh koga

[full mauve]

I loved shoka or how she was called

Like the movie girl

[abstract mist]

Shouko

[full mauve]

Yee

[abstract mist]

Nishimiya Shouko

Makinohara Shouko actually

[full mauve]

I enjoyed the movie kinda

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🔥

[full mauve]

Was one of the first movies i watched in full jp

[abstract mist]

||Time travel|| girl

[full mauve]

(no en sub*)

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wao

[full mauve]

I usually dont enjoy movies cuz theyre too short but there are some exceptions

Like drawing closer (余命一年..) is actually a perfect adaptation if ive ever seen one

[abstract mist]

I want to eat your pancreas?

[abstract mist]

Didn't watch yet

[cursive dock]

i agree

ig a shorter format allows them to add more detail to stuff

but i don't think it's worth sacrificing the pacing

[abstract mist]

Shinkai Makoto anyone

[cursive dock]

🔥 movie, very drama

[abstract mist]

I'll watch

Some day

[cursive dock]

soon™️

[full mauve]

its a nice movie ye

https://mydramalist.com/763601-yomei-ichi-nen-no-boku-ga-yomei-hantoshi-no-kimi-to-deatta-hanashi

🔥

感動系ならそっちが大好き

oh and i finalized my Japan itinerary

Im gonna stay in like
Yokohama
Kagoshima
Fukuoka
Hiroshima
Fukuyama
Takamatsu
Haneda

I wanted to do more but i dont want to be stressed either

Only 北海道 and 沖縄 left to visit after that

[abstract mist]

do you need anki

or no

[full mauve]

no

u rlly dont

[cursive dock]

i don't like SRS :(

ig if i was dedicated enough to study every single day without failure, then maybe

but i'm not

[abstract mist]

https://youtu.be/KkANd9gaTmo

@full mauve Nijika is so skilled at voice acting

insaaaen

the ginpatsu is Nijika btw

[full mauve]

blueaka

oo

i only know kr dub

[abstract mist]

Who needs sub anyway wtf

In slice of life animes you can watch no sub ez

Except for cooking terms

[full mauve]

fr

cooking terms

r crazy

[abstract mist]

@dusky carbon do you know cooking terms

[abstract mist]

@full mauve この子が守りたい

-+

that black guy among the yakuza is just hilarious every time he appears omg 😭

[dusky carbon]

nope

[full mauve]

i bet u know some like 餃子、拉麺　etc

Like half of jp cuisine is just chinese

but like japanized

[full mauve]

I hate her😭

I think i actually like horikita the most

Her hair too good

[dusky carbon]

oh i thought cooking terms as in like preparation instructions that you'd find in a recipe

[full mauve]

ohh

[abstract mist]

I think she cute + she's an idol

Although I don't know her for as long as you do, so maybe my opinion will change

Idk maybe I'm a predator for wanting a girl who has trauma like her 💀

I want to pay for her therapy

[full mauve]

bro wants to fix her

trust me u cant fix people

they can only fix themselves

[abstract mist]

Maybe
She's so cute though!!!

[abstract mist]

@full mauve I don't get if this is satire or serious
I swear to got, the black dude yakuza is too hilarious. There's also a bald ossan in the school too. Bros look 40

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https://youtube.com/shorts/Vy7zO6SAQzM

so according to comments this is extremely common (?)

[abstract mist]

I wouldn't be surprised

[cursive dock]

the getting your umbrella stolen thing

the curse sticker printing machine kinda goofy concept tho it's funny

[abstract mist]

Japan is so superstitious

I would go out of my way to pick those over the unlabeled ones

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i wouldn't be surprised

[abstract mist]

@full mauve please explain
when two words are combined into one word, the 2nd word often has a dakuten on the first mora. But at times it doesn't??? Like how does that work
出口　ー＞　でぐち
逃げ口　ー＞にげくち
based on this sample size of 2, my guess is that it depends on whether the 1st word ends on a hiragana

[full mauve]

yes but still its not 100%

[abstract mist]

sorry mr flx I don't like classroom of the elite the anime

It feels like it's parodying itself, with legit old people in the yakuza class, and all of this serious vibe it tries to have, but it ends up being just funny to me

how are you supposed to take an anime seriously when a 16 year old in it looks like this

JoJo's is different ofc because it's consistent in how its 16 year olds look like, and it is a 1980s shonen

this guy is a 16 yo as well

[abstract mist]

ok so apparently this guy just has male pattern baldness at 16, my apologies. Not how I looked like when I was bald at 16, but I guess he just has a mature face. Unlucky combo

[full mauve]

u were bald with 16 ??

or u mean balding

I didnt know ure a ハゲ同士ｗ

also about the 16yo 件: imo they look a bit old ye but personally i had friends in school that looked very old at 16 as well already

Like they were jacked 190cm and also had a beard at 16💀

Its rare but not like impossible imo

[abstract mist]

I got a buzz cut

(is it called a buzz cut when you get bald?)

I didn't like the look but uh

[full mauve]

buzz cut is like military cut i think ?

bald is like no hair at all

[abstract mist]

In Russian both are just bald

I have my hair still, and there's a 50% chance I have good genetics because my dad isn't balding at 55

And my grandfather still had hair at like 80, although you could see it was starting from his forehead

[hearty socket]

Do you have a forehead then

Ehh you'll be okay

[abstract mist]

no dude I'm not 80 I'm 21

[hearty socket]

Lux is 80

[full mauve]

my family has bald genes 💀

[hearty socket]

Bro's cooked

[full mauve]

embrace the bald

i do have good genes for muscles tho

[abstract mist]

bald is kakkoii

[full mauve]

i guess

like 細マッチョ

[abstract mist]

this you

[full mauve]

ive signed up to gym again so ill try to at least become 細マッチョ till february

[full mauve]

hell na

[hearty socket]

Doesn't this dude have every job

[abstract mist]

the bald buy who works at every job

yeah

[hearty socket]

It is that guy

[full mauve]

its him

the legend

himself

i dont wanna be that jacked tho

i think it looks L

細マッチョ is my ideal

[abstract mist]

First you say blonde is bland, then you say this

[abstract mist]

https://youtu.be/sbEgUZP-FZQ
@full mauve

Maybe #📺︱animanga more relevant

[full mauve]

最高

[abstract mist]

Oh yeah I had a dream where I carried an actual katana around because I was a weaboo in 8th grade

And its saya also was masked as an umbrella

[cursive dock]

started doing flashcards to learn vocab

will stick to it this time for once

[full mauve]

おつかれー

[quartz stream]

It is time to become fluent in the nihongo

[full mauve]

yes 😎

[quartz stream]

I think I'm at a point where I can watch anime without subtitles and understand around 60% of it which isn't bad, without even really studying japanese

just from the pure amount of anime I've watched lol

problem is understand it is great and all but I need to be able to speak it

well I want to

[full mauve]

lol

u mustve watched a ton of anime then

imo u learn to speak just by immersion as well tho

not like perfectly but u get the foundation u need to learn to speak

[quartz stream]

I've seen like 1.1k anime

yeah I mean that's how kids learn and shit, that's kind of the level I'm at now

where like I know enough basic vocabulary to string a sentence together but not much else, so I'm at like a 2 year olds level lol

but it's definitely a good base and will help a lot to learn

[abstract mist]

I've only seen 200

...senpai?

[cursive dock]

same

[abstract mist]

https://youtu.be/CKq3ZLn_kf8

[abstract mist]

mean score is like that because I use the smiley system. Its 😄 is equal to 87 points

[full mauve]

holy fuk 💀

judging from lux' data thats approx 250days of watching anime

thats actually wild

[wise ember]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2324520/Kanji_Industry/

Steam

Kanji Industry

About the gameMany Kanji characters can be created by combining other Kanji characters.Watch as the Kanji assembly factory automatically moves through the game!Game FlowThere are two modes in this game: "Stage Mode" and "World ModeIntroduction of Stage ModeThe game progresses in stages.When you start the game from the beginning, the stages are a...

Price

$6.99

▶ Play video

[cursive dock]

ain't no way

a kanji factory game

@hearty socket

[wise ember]

Trying now, its kinda fun but feels so wrong to spend time like this lol

[hearty socket]

no

[cursive dock]

the endgame for that's gonna be like: 鬱

[wise ember]

𪚥

[cursive dock]

[hearty socket]

you know on what factory i am waiting on

i dont wann apay 6 bucks for that though lol

[cursive dock]

[hearty socket]

i asked you a week ago ro something for satis 1.0 that we do a world

[cursive dock]

i haven't forgotten

[hearty socket]

oh ok

i didnt know what to think of the emoji

[cursive dock]

colon three

[hearty socket]

i didnt know what that emoji was supposed to tell me lmao

i look at the emoji and not th ename

[cursive dock]

https://youtu.be/mmM1gZeSc5s

[quartz stream]

yeah... we don't talk about it... it may or may not be a lot more days than that even

[cursive dock]

"days" in this case means total amount of hours watched, unless you mean you've watched anime with hundreds of episodes in them

💀

[quartz stream]

yeah that's what I mean

like I've seen over 1000 episodes of one piece, that probably adds a lot

for example

and other shounen

[quartz stream]

[abstract mist]

@full mauve if quotes are called a dakuten then what's the round thing called

[cursive dock]

handakuten

[abstract mist]

Is it korean

or mongolian han

[cursive dock]

not sure what you mean

[abstract mist]

In Japanese, "hankoku" mean Korea

[cursive dock]

ohh lmao

[abstract mist]

And in Mongolia, as well as a few other countries, several centuries ago, the ruler of the country was a khan

[cursive dock]

pretty sure "han-" in this case just means "half"

my guess anyway

[quartz stream]

I thought korea is kankoku no?

[full mauve]

uh no

[full mauve]

yes

韓国

[abstract mist]

は

聞き間違えた

@cursive dockI was wrong

It kankoku

[abstract mist]

半濁点
濁点
半
It does yeah, I checked with yomitan

[full mauve]

honestly grammar terms r overrated anyways

i had no idea what 代名詞 etc was until recently 🤣

[cursive dock]

dakuten = little ticks
handakuten = little circle

no need for terms when you can just call them that

[full mauve]

fr

adjectives = how words

etcetc

[wise ember]

Nyooooo its 'tenten'

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https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-oh-nyo-oh-no-vtube-smol-gif-25311572

[wise ember]

[wise ember]

how words are adverbs ig

[full mauve]

?

how is it

its 白い

= adjective

maybe works for adverbs too idk

[wise ember]

Yeah its kinda different in english, like, you know, 'how, which way' and 'how, which appearance', which way here would be an adverb
We are only using 'как'='how' (どうやって) about adverbs in russian and 'какой'~'how' (どの) about advective. Kinda untranslatable to english lol so you're probably right

[cursive dock]

https://youtu.be/_MWtbI4IwfU

@quartz stream dunno if you plan on using anki but this is a tutorial on how to set it up, he just posted this video

[abstract mist]

No thx I'll use luodingo instead

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dingus

[quartz stream]

tyty

duolingo isn't bad it's just a bit shit if you don't got their premium or whatever it's called

and annoyingly mine is like bugged on my phone app right now

it's forcing me to do a kanji lesson and it makes me write it but for some reason it refuses to accept me

like I'm writing it right but it's just like no

and so now I just can't use the app annoyingly, the web site is fine though

oh nvm I fugred out why

I was writing this part of watashi in 3 parts when it wants you to do the L shape in one not two strokes

fuck kanji

all my homies hate kanji

I'll become fluent at japanese without learning one kanji out of spite

I'm sure it's possible

although duolingo is literally forcing me to learn kanji this is torture

[cursive dock]

learning kanji will make reading a million times easier imo, but if you wanna skip that then go for it, just like you can learn to speak without learning how to write

[quartz stream]

I'll learn hiragana so I can read like children books and call it out that tbh

I will learn kanji at some point though, when I'm at a decent level

it just feels worthless right now to cram my head with kanji I don't even know how to use

not worth it imo

[cursive dock]

learn the kanji for depression, with its 29 strokes it'll give you depression

[quartz stream]

EW

aint no way nobody remembers that

at least how to write it

its definitely distinctive reading it lol

[cursive dock]

(dw this kanji isn't used, they just write it with kana, うつ, still funny tho )

[quartz stream]

fairs

kanji spooky

idk I probably will learn it eventually definitely not worth learning in the beginning though imo

you're cramming your head with useless information at that point

[cursive dock]

many of the words you learn in the beginning are written in kana anyway, and some of those that aren't have more advanced kanji that are learned further on

[quartz stream]

kana = hiragana/katakana?

didn't realise there was a term for that

[cursive dock]

tho some are very obviously learned with their kanji, like 私 which you just screenshotted, it's probably one of the most common kanji you'll find

[quartz stream]

yeah

I'm sure I'll just pickup some as I go without even realising it

[cursive dock]

yup, kana refers to both

[quartz stream]

fair

[cursive dock]

or more like, the characters are called kana

[quartz stream]

hmm

I c

[cursive dock]

and each kana is a "syllable", but in japanese they use the term "mora", cuz it's not exactly a syllable

but meh no need to learn terminology

[quartz stream]

mora? omg just like genshin

[quartz stream]

fair enough

I've learned already today

[cursive dock]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-mora-genshin-impact-mora-mora-gif-22623148

[quartz stream]

Pogpega

[abstract mist]

I used to think that too, but I changed my mind. Looking at it from an outside perspective, ignorance shouldn't be something you're proud of, in my opinion

[cursive dock]

besides, just typing words on your phone you'll get suggestions for kanji anyway, you'll get exposed to them enough

(as long as you aren't accidentally using the wrong kanji )

[abstract mist]

Yeah I agree
I use the wrong kanji every time though

Also voice typing exists. To some degree

[cursive dock]

[abstract mist]

Did you know you can pair anki with jidoujisho/yomitan? And then synchronize the databases between your phone and PC over the local network?

[cursive dock]

same word, same pronunciation, different kanji, slightly different meanings

yeee

there's a button to quickly make a card and add it to a deck

i'm beginner tho, so i just use premade decks for now

[abstract mist]

I'm gonna do without Anki, as I've been told I don't need it by a friend who got really good at Japanese by chatting with tetris people

Let the pattern matching thing in my brain figure it out

@full mauve what are your thoughts on refold

[cursive dock]

anki isn't supposed to be a primary learning tool

it's a secondary tool, you should still do most of your learning through immersion

anki gives you the dots, you then use your primary learning material to connect the dots

[abstract mist]

[cursive dock]

https://tenor.com/view/puyo-puyo-puyo-puyo-puyo-tetris2-ringo-gif-20002997

still sad i bought puyo puyo tetris right before they released puyo puyo tetris 2

smh

[full mauve]

its not that bad

its just many kanji combined

u see 缶　木　ヒ　..

午

u can kinda break down kanji like that often times

especially the big ones

[full mauve]

whats that

[cursive dock]

and then each kanji into radicals, if you wanna go that far

[abstract mist]

the thing that's like learning languages through immersion or something

https://refold.la/simplified/

[full mauve]

doesnt look bad

but for jp moeway looks way better

refold seems like they arent focused on anything in specific and give general advice

[quartz stream]

nihongo jozu desu ne

[wise ember]

Just encountered the strangest looking kanji Ive seen so far

〆

Don't think theres any radicals in it

(seen it used as 締め切り but like 〆切)

[abstract mist]

Сахар
По-моему такой ютубер был

[cursive dock]

日本語上手ですね！

for some reason my deck has 週 (week) listed as N3 but 先週、今週、来週、毎週 (last week, this week, next week, every week) listed as N5

[wise ember]

Okay there's even worse

〼

[abstract mist]

how do I say "you" without being rude

in casual and polite speech

I've read somewhere that あなた is rude, but like other sources say it's not

also I said お前 to flx today which I apologize ofr

[cursive dock]

in what context?

[abstract mist]

fuck, there's context to things

[full mauve]

just

dont say you

[abstract mist]

maybe I should give up on japanese

ye I'll just omit it

or say the name of the person

[full mauve]

just dont use any "you"

or say the name

ye

何してんの？

what are (you) doing

[cursive dock]

for example, あなた is perfectly acceptable in forms where you're asking someone to write somethinf down

but ye, what flx said, you just don't say "you"

[abstract mist]

何をするのですか！！！！

[full mauve]

別に

何もしてないけど

いや

なんであんたに関係あるの

[cursive dock]

https://tenor.com/view/ちょっと何言ってるかわかんない-何言ってんの-どういう意味-意味不明-what-gif-152843343145988214

[full mauve]

関係ないでしょうお前

JOUDAN

SORRY

love u

[abstract mist]

好きです

[abstract mist]

omg I know all the kanji in this text

I could read it

😭

[cursive dock]

[full mauve]

記住了那笑容的美
what about this

real japanese test

if u cant read this ur no nihonjin

[abstract mist]

I can't read this and I don't have yomitan on phone

[full mauve]

oh ok

u can try tmrw

@dusky carbon whos gonna tell him 💀

[abstract mist]

Is it korean written with Japanese characters

[full mauve]

uh no

[dusky carbon]

not me

[abstract mist]

@full mauve https://youtu.be/tUzA0_9CAyU?si=IBO3hjzOSaakAlwm

I want to marry a seiyuu-san 😭

[cursive dock]

osu!

unrelated to above but there's so many words where i'm like "how tf do i know this word already?"

[abstract mist]

fun fact
the word "oshi" comes from this

so, oshi no ko

or your oshi vtuber

[cursive dock]

it's all connected, now we need more holomems to play osu

[full mauve]

推し

it doesnt come from 押す

推す is a different thing even tho its also "osu"

[abstract mist]

Wtf
I thought oshi comes from push

[wise ember]

But its not even related in any way, what do they push?

[abstract mist]

Продвигать

[quartz stream]

that's weird looking kanji

!

[hearty socket]

I agree

[cursive dock]

!!

breezing thru N5 vocab atm

[wise ember]

More like

[cursive dock]

that's a lot of mogus

[wise ember]

Also inaccurate, everyone knows it evolved into 月

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pinyin: amogussy 😭

[dusky carbon]

[full mauve]

n4 next

[abstract mist]

@full mauvewha's a かわいらしい

I heard it a long time ago but only now I'm questioning why there's a らしい

IIRC the full sentence was もし、可愛らしい女性がいたら。。。

"if there was a woman who looked cute"?

Makes no sense to me

[abstract mist]

Is Okinawa the Ohio of Japan?

[full mauve]

rashii is just "ish" or "like"

[full mauve]

maybe

[abstract mist]

Isn't it "ish" = っぽい and "like" = みたい?
らしい is "it looks/sounds like".

[full mauve]

no

they have way morea meanings

only ppoi doesnt have multiple meanings in en

[abstract mist]

ですよねぇ

[wise ember]

エビ揉め is an awesome trend
Feels like my last braincell is evaporating

[cursive dock]

found this

https://jpdb.io/
dictionary + yomichan + example sentences (voiced) + difficulty lists for anime/vn/etc. + anki-style learning

[abstract mist]

Is it proprietary

[cursive dock]

i don't see source code listed anywhere so i suppose yea, https://jpdb.io/about

the difficulty lists are cool tho

https://jpdb.io/visual-novel-difficulty-list it shows the amount of unique words/kanji and other stats for each VN

[abstract mist]

Nvm it's not an extension

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yea it's just a web app

[abstract mist]

I don't mind proprietary web apps much because they're contained and have limited permissions

[full mauve]

😭

i sent this like half a year ago LOL

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oh you did

didn't see it at the time

https://youtu.be/yfhQBwlcI5I also found this video if anyone finds it interesting

tldr: learn kana + essential grammar + learning tools, then choose a beginner VN to just dive in head first (he clarifies it's not an optimal way, just a quick way)

[full mauve]

yuzusoft thumbnail so it must be true

there is no real optimal way to study a language anyways id argue

there is just too many variables

the vid is a bit outdated tho

lunahooker is the best texthooker on the market now id say, also yomitan has integrated frequency sorting function etc now which makes it a lot better than old yomichan

when i "finish" korean ill maybe start making language learning videos too lmao i enjoy yapping about language learning way too much

[cursive dock]

oh lmao i've used textractor and yomichan which ig were popular back then

[full mauve]

i mean im not saying textractor is bad

but ive had some vns where its just low key impossible to find a hook (looking at you unity made games) and luna hooker just has 0 problem with them

maybe luna hooker even works with steins gate idk

also wtf is this thumbnail💀

[cursive dock]

lmfao they want to share that message at the very least even if people end up not clicking on the video

[full mauve]

XD

the japanese learning community is low key weird

never seen a language community so competitive and toxic

well maybe its cuz we are on discord

irl learning groups tend to be chill

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cuz they're mostly online anime fans, and online anime fans are used to arguing

[full mauve]

true that

[cursive dock]

very true

[full mauve]

ive rarely met anybody online that studies japanese and isnt a fan of anime , irl ive met tons of ppl that barely even know what an anime is and study japanese

imma be real im a ネット廃人 as well tho so i cant complain

[cursive dock]

funny to have the two types interact

[full mauve]

i started studying bcuz of eroge which is even more weird than anime for normal people to grasp 🤣

[full mauve]

yea i had like a japanese irl meetup recently and tried to explain to like 30 year old people that didnt even know anime what an eroge was

shit was 🔥

[cursive dock]

for me it's def anime but i haven't been watching much anime lately

japanese culture/media is everywhere online tho so yea

[full mauve]

turned out to be less cringe than expected tho they were way too wholesome

[cursive dock]

lmaoo

[full mauve]

anime also played a major role for me i guess but ive also been slacking

only real japanese immersion i still do is read books which doesnt help my listening comprehension skills at all unfortunately

ill prolly still suck when i go to japan in february again rip

[cursive dock]

dam

[full mauve]

japanese cashiers say "お袋をいりますか" at like mach 2 tho so it cant be helped

[cursive dock]

i already suck at listening in general

or hearing ig

[abstract mist]

Sorry guys, I don't know any usually

Any Japanese

[cursive dock]

i'm 65% done with N5 vocab deck

have been slowing down cuz the review queue got so absurdly long

[full mauve]

same

even in germany i cant understand ppl at all

[cursive dock]

[full mauve]

my dad thinks i have hearing impairment

💀

[cursive dock]

i always get so embarrassed when i ask people to repeat themselves ||again||

[full mauve]

better to take it slow and be consistent ig

[full mauve]

i feel that

like asking once is ok

but asking AGAIN is crazy

i sometimes act like i understood them after not getting it the second time

but it gets real akward when it was a question they asked me 💀

[cursive dock]

fr

[abstract mist]

When people talk over airplane or car engine sounds, I can't hear them well

Recently there was a video on veritasium on how humans can filter out a specific voice out of a loud mishmash of lots of people's voices, like when on a party

I could never hear others in a party

I don't lack the skill entirely, but it's just weak

[full mauve]

guys

i started anki

im a sinner

[cursive dock]

i'm 75% done with N5, getting close

ngl a lot of the words i still haven't memorized from N5 are just the different counters

https://youtu.be/o36tLK-qVMk dunno what this is but i found this

at 15:16 she covers yesterday from the beatles, pretty nice

[full mauve]

指宿 based name LOL

[frail leaf]

@full mauve, you've reached level 59! ☄️

[full mauve]

ill def visit 指宿 in feb

[abstract mist]

If someone asks me 怪我はないか？ am I supposed to say はい to say "I'm not injured"?

[cursive dock]

could lead to confusion just like in english, maybe better to go with そう or ない instead of responding with yes/no

[abstract mist]

never heard そうin this context
I guess だいじょうぶ or ぶじ would work too

[cursive dock]

yea, negative questions are always weird xd

[full mauve]

ye

daijoubu best imo

[abstract mist]

waht if

I'm not daijoubu

will I say きずついてる

[full mauve]

then u say daijoubu janaindakedo betsu ni byouin ni iku hitsuyou ga arimasen

dakara boku ni kisu wo shite kudasai

[abstract mist]

wtf flx romaji

[full mauve]

UwU

[abstract mist]

😭

[full mauve]

flx romaji before gta 6

😭

[abstract mist]

actually they're called romanji

because they come from roman letters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJbyDqKQ4HM&pp=ygUVamFwYW5lc2Ugd2l0aCB3YW5jaGFu

I'm gonna post this masterpiece

I died of laughter

@quartz stream you didnt' see this because you weren't learning japanese at the time

I posted it before

[cursive dock]

perfectly reasonable flashcard image:

my brain:

[abstract mist]

NOT Kita

[abstract mist]

honestly the kanji kinda looks like her

in this exact pose

[cursive dock]

so true

[full mauve]

BRO

DONT MOEWAY ME

u mustve looked at moeway general today

i think anki actually works guys

fuck

all my anki hate over the years was for nothing

well ok not nothing i proved my point at least

[cursive dock]

it's my first time picking up flashcards too

and SRS

[full mauve]

i think i might use this even for uni tbh

seems really convenient

i need to find excel guide decks 💀

i capped at 10 new cards a day for now cuz i rlly dont want anki to be anything but an addition to my immersion tho for language learniing

[abstract mist]

No it's from the video I sent

The dog is clearly the expert in japanese and the guy doesn't know it apart from reading the script for the video/tv show they're making

and he says that it's called "romanji" in the video

and also tells the dog to shut the fuck up even though the dog is correct

please watch the video

it's hilarious

[full mauve]

💀

[abstract mist]

I'm not in moeway server because I didnt' read moeway still

And iirc you need some level of japanese before you join anyway

[full mauve]

no

[abstract mist]

oh

cool

[full mauve]

u just need student to access general and book sharing

[abstract mist]

I might join

[full mauve]

u can join at any level tho

[abstract mist]

my level is below n5 so maybe I should start learning first

imagine the embarassment I'll have when I don't know how to read

and everyone will know abouti t

[full mauve]

no

maybe for kanji knowledge but u are for sure above n5 overall

[abstract mist]

did I even do anything

[full mauve]

yes i remember we vcd once

😳

[abstract mist]

😳

we texted once too

I did poorly because I can't read

😭 I want to learn how to read

[full mauve]

i can teach you

step 1

download eroge

step 2

profit

step 3

maybe do anki too

(optional)

[abstract mist]

this is hilarious

every time you mention eroge

I'm not saying that it's not valid

I just find it funny

[full mauve]

I think ppl have a big 誤解 about eroge

there is eroge and nukige

nukige are just s*x games where u play to fp

[abstract mist]

what's the difference between

[full mauve]

eroge on the other hand are only maybe max 5% s*x stuff

[abstract mist]

かんちがい and ごかい

[full mauve]

the main point of most eroge isnt just to fp but to actually have a good story and usually u can just skip the s*x scenes with no loss

thats why most eroge that are good games have a miseinen steam version

eg hakuchuumu

[abstract mist]

😱

isn't fate an eroge as well

one of the most popular animes of all time

[full mauve]

i think both can mean the same depending on context

kanchigai is also a suru verb tho

kanchigai shinaide ne

[abstract mist]

how do you read kanjis with lots of strokes when they're SO SMALL on the screen

[full mauve]

ok wait gokai too

LOL

gokai shinaide ne works too

[full mauve]

they are like pictures

憂鬱

i dont look at every stroke

i look at the full picture

[abstract mist]

to me this looks like gibberish. let's see if that changes

[full mauve]

it will look like gibberish for now but if u anki for a week that will change

or immerse for a week

with eroge ofc

nah u can do LN or w/e

[abstract mist]

[full mauve]

LN, youtube with subs, netflix with subs, anime with subs, web novels, 実用書 etcetc

[abstract mist]

what do you watch on youtube anyway

[full mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsTKF-5LDe8

very scientific content

or eroge rankings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weE1TFcBCy4

[abstract mist]

べつに見たい事がなくて、何を見るかわかんあい

[abstract mist]

本当にエロ下好きだな

[full mauve]

idk

i dont even play eroge anymore rlly

i love eroge music tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btgMMEvezK8

i love stuff like this too sometimes

[abstract mist]

how do I enable and disable katakana mode

in windows IME

I keep accidentally turning it on

I don't even know the shortcut

[full mauve]

i just f7

[abstract mist]

助けてください、カタカナモオドを切れない

[full mauve]

ひらがなをかいてF7をおしたらイインジャン

たたたタタア

[abstract mist]

今試してみます

タタタ

えええええ

？

[full mauve]

すごいデショウ

[abstract mist]

これをどうやって切れるの

チテ
違いがちょっと頭に入れない

😭

カタカナまで読めない何て、情けないですよね

[full mauve]

wtf

i never had that

[full mauve]

dw

katakana is end boss

harder than kanji

[abstract mist]

If you right click this "A" or あ it lets you choose between katakana vs hiragana and the half/full width

[full mauve]

oh lol

i always just use f7

and "alt ´" to swap

[cursive dock]

ah this thing?

i use win+space to change keyboards and then alt+` like flx

[abstract mist]

alt+` doesn't switch to katakana mode

so WTF is the deal with my keyboard switching to katakana mode occasionally

[cursive dock]

it doesn't but autocomplete almost always has an option to convert whatever you typed into katakana

so it's not necessary

[cursive dock]

no idea

[abstract mist]

ik, but I accidentally turn it on, and I don't know the keybind to go back

[cursive dock]

i've never had that

well actually i used to but never had that on this pc

like maybe once or twice on old pcs but i don't think i ever knew what happened

[abstract mist]

my keyboard is very shit btw

the firmware is very buggy

[full mauve]

same

maybe its ur keyboard

idk what key combination even does that

[quartz stream]

Pog

[full mauve]

昨日の自分に渾身の右ストレートをお見舞いしてやりたい

this sentence took me 5 min to fully understand

i feel like n5

[abstract mist]

Is it normal that my inner monologue is in Japanese now... For the past year

[full mauve]

ure too deep bro

nah jk might be a good sign idk

i dont have inner monologue in japanese most of the time

except when im actually talking to jp ppl

[dusky carbon]

DAWG YOUR PFP

[full mauve]

😭

im too deep as well

[dusky carbon]

way too deep

[abstract mist]

こんやく is literally "promise to marry"

[cursive dock]

https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-oh-nyo-oh-no-vtube-smol-gif-25311572

[quartz stream]

Bruh doulingo giving me an aneurysm trying to pronounce Brazil in a Japanese accent

[cursive dock]

lemme guess is it burajiru

[quartz stream]

Yes

How the fuck can anyone say that

It doesn’t work

[cursive dock]

brah-G-rue

[quartz stream]

I can’t do it

Not like I’ll ever need it but

[cursive dock]

close enough

[quartz stream]

😭

[cursive dock]

learning japanese is just learning english a 2nd time

[quartz stream]

That voice note sounds a lot better than how I hear myself say it wtf

[quartz stream]

Fr

People like to shit on Duolingo but I think it’s quite fun tbh

Like it makes me want to learn Japanese, which I think is very important

You maybe can’t rely on it but it’s very good for getting into the habit

I’ve put the app on my phone where my TikTok used to be so whenever I go to procrastinate instead of clicking on TikTok I click on Duolingo from muscle memory

Gaming the system (me)

[cursive dock]

it's gamified learning

[quartz stream]

for sure

once thing I hear people saying about duolingo is that the sentences aren't always very realistic - however I don't think that's a probably as it you shouldn't just be memorizing sentences anyway, you should be memorizing different words and sentence structure

and formulating your own sentences

for example I've learned when you'd use "desu ka" and "desu" and "ni" and "wa"

so I can formulate my own sentences

using the vocab I've learned

that's my 10 day review at least

so far

Too ez boys

I find it weird how “Kirei” has a few different meanings, I always associated it to pretty from anime but it can also mean clean

I died

I'm going to get random sentences and try and break them apart into english

oh my god chatgpt is insane, I can use it to give me sentences to practice with

poggers

[cursive dock]

[cursive dock]

i recommend using an extension called yomitan :O it separates sentences into words you can look up

it's a glorified dictionary

and has example sentences too

[quartz stream]

ooo now that is very epic

so I guess it's good to read like light novels with huh

might be a fun excercise

[cursive dock]

i've used it to read VNs

there's programs that automatically extract the text from the game

and yomitan grabs it from your clipboard for super convenient dictionary lookups

[quartz stream]

damn bruh

advanced japanese learning

[abstract mist]

You should learn about moras and the japanese rhythm

[cursive dock]

super old screenshot which i've shared before but yea, it nice

[quartz stream]

damn now that is cool

[cursive dock]

i wanna get back into it but i wanna at least have basic vocab knowledge, which is why i'm doing flashcards atm

[quartz stream]

that's fair

bro it's crazy how much basic vocab I know from anime

like now that I'm getting an understanding of sentence structure it's all really coming together

[cursive dock]

[quartz stream]

I mean you probably know more

but

I feel like I could already go to japan and like get aroun

like order in a restaurant, ask for directions etc

[cursive dock]

there's a lot you can do from phrases you hear commonly in anime

[quartz stream]

I thought anime japanese was a lot different from "real japanese" tbh

but it's not really that different

[cursive dock]

ig it really depends on what you watch

if you watch slice of life it's going to be at least somewhat accurate to reality

[quartz stream]

fair

yeah I've seen like everything

It’s probably because I’m still in the early stages but I’m really enjoying learning Japanese

[cursive dock]

as long as you aren't doing too much and burning out because of it you should be fine

[quartz stream]

yeah

[cursive dock]

i've burnt out a couple times before cuz i went too hard into it xd

[quartz stream]

so I've started doing duolingo until I run out of hearts and then from today I'm going to get random sentences from chatgpt, break down the vocabulary and structure and just have a massive bank of vocabulary in my book

and then I'll try write the hiragana for each word next to it

yeah I probably will although tbh I'm not going to go hard every day

just when I'm motivated

but I will at least do my daily duolingo

no matter what

[cursive dock]

are you using a jp keyboard on your phone

[quartz stream]

I am not

[cursive dock]

i recommend using the 12-key layout for japanese :o

[quartz stream]

I'm just taking notes in a physcial book lol

okok

I shall

old school style

ahh

[cursive dock]

ohhh, for duolingo there's cases where you have to manually type stuff so make sure to get a keyboard for it

or maybe it's later on but yea

[quartz stream]

I shall do

yeah probably will be

well

there are bits where you write and then it converts it to kanji

but you write in romaji

[cursive dock]

ahh ye, better just use a keyboard so you get used to it

the 12-key layout is so much fun to use imo

it's what jp people use on mobile pretty sure

[quartz stream]

fair enough

I will do that

[quartz stream]

I honestly think the best way to learn is to continuously do quizzes, such as duolingo in a way and just see how much you can do and then fill in the gaps and repeat

instead of learning aimlessly

seems to be much more efficient than when I tried to learn on my own with no really goal in mind

[full mauve]

約 is more like "engagement" in this context id say lol

brazil is still ok imo but then theres like weird n or short shi stuff

執事

しつじ

for me the short shi into tsu took a month of practice to get right all the time LMAO

[full mauve]

if you want the most efficient and fastest method of studying Japanese its literally just immersion + anki and using anki correctly

[quartz stream]

yeah fair

[full mauve]

it sounds simple and boring but u can see its the truth if u go on moeway and see what crackheads there are

[quartz stream]

I mean like 90% of what I know basically is from immersion

[abstract mist]

Yeah but isn't it literally 婚 + 約

[full mauve]

most of them do this for like 1 or 2 years and are n1+ lvl (literally vocab wise better than natives sometimes)

[quartz stream]

so I just do immersion, duolingo and will get into anki likely

[full mauve]

yea but yaku has various meanings not just one

[abstract mist]

I can do this one I think, I never spoke any Japanese but I know Russian

[full mauve]

yes but doing immersion and anki correctly is really important as well

[quartz stream]

fair

idk if I'm doing it correctly, but it I don't want to make anything too strict to the point I don't enjoy it

[full mauve]

eg u shouldnt watch anime with english sub or do anki for more than ur immersion time per day

i mean there isnt a clear "u have to do this or that" either

just some dont dos

[quartz stream]

like I enjoy just watching anime without thinking too hard and doing duolingo and breaking apart the sentences on my own

think it works the best for me

[abstract mist]

…媚薬

[full mauve]

if u enjoy it and it works thats cool yea

[abstract mist]

I exclusively watch anime with eng sub sorry mr flxible

[full mauve]

u only have to follow the rules if you want to reach fluency as fast as possible

[quartz stream]

yeah

[full mauve]

if u dont stress things and prefer fun you dont have to follow any of that

[quartz stream]

for me motivation and the want to learn is the most important aspect

over speed tbh

[full mauve]

I also studied japanese 100% without anki cuz it wasnt fun for me lol

yea same

[full mauve]

😭

[full mauve]

媚薬はだめだろ

ド変態め

:D

[quartz stream]

I usually do without sub or with japanese (romaji) subs

unless it's a complex story

[full mauve]

i used to not do pitch and anki at all cuz it was no fun for me but now after like a few years my interests have changed and its become fun lmao

damn i genuinely think romaji is more difficult to read than japanese script

LOL

[quartz stream]

fair play

[full mauve]

romanji

saorry @abstract mist

[quartz stream]

yeah

idk I need to learn the words before I learn the hiragana character for them so

[full mauve]

なつかしい

[quartz stream]

tis what it is

[full mauve]

i remember when i first found out about vn mining setup and locked myself in my room to play eroge for 8 hrs a day

good old times

[full mauve]

try to do anki honestly maybe its perfect for you

[abstract mist]

髪を伸ばさせる薬…

[quartz stream]

I will give it a go

[full mauve]

i heard a lot of ppl cant study kanji without anki so that is that

[quartz stream]

probably not today as I've studied a lot so need a break but I'll get to it

[abstract mist]

💀 もう忘れてくれ

[full mauve]

ive been doing N1 grammar in anki for 2 days now and im almost at a point where i pass kotoba gn1 now lol

anki do be OP

[abstract mist]

I wonder how Japan kept its 100% literacy rate before anki was invented

[full mauve]

thing is japanese ppl spend 4000hrs+ on their language

learners that use anki get to almost the same lvl in like 2000-3000hrs

[abstract mist]

Damn maybe I should use anki

[full mauve]

do it

even if its just for grammar

my review takes like 20min a day but its so helpful

[abstract mist]

Wtf is grammar

Don't know what it is

[full mauve]

皆様あっての仕事です

stuff like that

[abstract mist]

Linguistic terms

[abstract mist]

Oh it's like conjugations and particles

[full mauve]

勉強するかたわらにバイトをする人だ

[abstract mist]

I don't remember my V3+ing from English class anymore

[full mauve]

in jp u can learn grammar to n2 lvl ez through immersion

n1 no chance tho

n1 grammar is so rare that even jp ppl dont know it

[abstract mist]

I'll learn how to handwrite depression instead

[full mauve]

like i asked a jp friend what きらいがある means and he went cat meme on me

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-13719248636774070662

[full mauve]

ull get depression from that be careful

[abstract mist]

It clearly means "hate girl"

[full mauve]

💀

(よくない)傾向がある is the answer btw

[abstract mist]

Liam already knows more kanji than me I bet

[full mauve]

literally never used

i only learned to write like 2 kanji by hand during uni when i was bored

💀

[quartz stream]

so what's the best way to use anki, do I important some decks, or do I just write my own, for like different vocab?

[full mauve]

u combine both

at the beginning just get premade decks tho

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/940604898

maybe go through all the jlpt sensei grammar decks they r good for bilingual ig

ppl hate on jlpt sensei too much

[quartz stream]

ah okay ty

[full mauve]

then u can do a core XX deck

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1880390099

[abstract mist]

How good do I need to be to start immersing
Immersing doesn't work right away, correct? I mean, it has to follow this N+1 rule

[abstract mist]

Are these kanji decks or vocab decks

[full mauve]

these are like 2000 of the most common japanese words

thats why its called core

sorted by frequency

[abstract mist]

Poggers

I'm downloading

[full mauve]

both

u learn to read the kanji at least