All Aboard?

[fluid hill]

I’m probably definitely gonna vote but i have to test with 4 players first

[slate lance]

This is cool but it feels slow on single player

I agree with nuty

[teal flax]

let's see

hmm the swinging lasers are a bit mean

otherwise great what do i expect else from a spino level

[teal flax]

not even lc pinged skull

[hasty wren]

when did bro rejoin?

[fluid hill]

@weary ginkgo downvote?

[teal flax]

Nebula downvoting goated levels frfr

[fluid hill]

nebula is extremely unpredictable with what elims he likes and doesn’t like

[remote forge]

join
the code is this
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[slate lance]

Nebula for sure has good reasons

I want to know it for sure

[weary ginkgo]

I'm talking without much experience testing here, but this is based off how I see most elims develop. It may end up like a dragged out RNG elim after players learnt to avoid all griefing in the stations and drag out for too long with nothing happening. The griefs after Station 1 & 2 seem way too avoidable. The unpredictable griefs are probably too hard for average players to use consistently. I believe players will learn how to camp in this elim before they learn how to grief, as Kleiner really made it too easy to just stand somewhere on the top and camp. Which if just camping is easier than griefing, I think the result is clear for the knockout. That'll lead most runs past station 2 to the ending, which is without a doubt super RNG. Kleiner shouldn't enable easily avoiding the real danger of other players that easily. Instead supporting more skilled and unpredictable strategies being used later when everything else has become predictable seems like the move to make this actually last longer than 5 months. But to me that needs some rebuilding. Personally Station 1 & 2 seem fine, but 3 & 4 are not really made with that idea in mind.

If you really need a short TLDR of what im thinking:

• The elim is too easy to camp on
• The long lasting skill ceiling after Station 2 is nonexistent as the elim will become predictable enough for most average players after a few months
• Ending sucks, just revert honestly
• Station 3 & 4 need more griefs

Kleiner should try to build in some harder, but less expected griefs for down the line. Making camping impossible doesn't have to be the choice, but making it still dangerous should be. Station 3 & 4 should be extended, possibly with a bigger laser tunnel enticing even the beginners to try and go for a dash, and maybe making Station 4 interesting somehow too.

Hope you understand my reasoning, have a good day

Looking back, even Station 1 & 2 are too easy to avoid everything on... Why?

[fluid hill]

damn

I think he was trying to make this map fun for new players which i really like

also I just remember didn't you say this was a instant certification in your opinion on boops stream like a week ago 😭

biggest switchup of 2026

[glossy shell]

this is complete nonsense. it will be one of the easiest to grief and hardest to camp maps in the game

[glossy shell]

i mean its not like "avoid the lasers", which you instantly certified on your own despite my doubts but well... remember that you also didn't want to include tick tock and now you praise it as one of the best elims ever. smh

[fluid hill]

whyd you remove link

[weary ginkgo]

You can leave immediately before letting anyone prove you wrong but please explain the availability of these spots to me?

[weary ginkgo]

Stop deflecting, this is about All Aboard not Tick Tock or Avoid the lasers

[fluid hill]

retired lc vs day one lc

[glossy shell]

this is about your skill to rate levels

[fluid hill]

@weary ginkgo what made you change your mind so much lmao it doesnt seem much different besides deco

[weary ginkgo]

instead of accepting that there are camping spots in this level, you take out 2 of the 200+ levels ive sent and try to discredit me

Pathetic

[glossy shell]

where is the problem with those 2 spots?

[weary ginkgo]

that ur just able to be danger-free?

Its easy to just add a few spikes like I suggested and we can keep discussing, but instead youd rather want to discredit me

Actually cringe, im sorry thats the only way I can see it

[glossy shell]

you are not danger free

another player can go ther and push you. you need to know when to jump to reach the platform

[fluid hill]

grr why ignore me nebula 😭

[glossy shell]

anyway. i dont want to debate with you

[weary ginkgo]

What do you even mean? I never made a fully fledged opinion until this level came out

[weary ginkgo]

then don't? Bye

[glossy shell]

bye

[hasty wren]

do you get it now

[fluid hill]

@undone shuttle why is the bottom detail thing in knockout tower not centered 😡

oops I didnt mean to say that here but I guess its fine

[remote forge]

oh no you have infected me

@undone shuttle why is the bottom detail thing in knockout tower not centered 😡

[fluid hill]

see I told you

thats an instant uncertification imo

[undone shuttle]

I've done all of them but 2 and 4 are unreasonable to try to do in any match

[undone shuttle]

no this is nonsense

the griefs in this level are HIGHLY situational

and there just aren't any pro vs pro or noob vs noob griefing spots

only pro vs noob

and it is impossible to fix camping spots, it is actually easier for a player to just be aware of their surroundings and the few places you can get griefed and then just be careful around there

if there was a consistent griefing spot at all times, that works for pro vs pro AND noob vs noob, it would drastically improve the situation

[fluid hill]

ooooo

teaming up on retired lc

[undone shuttle]

nebula also said some nonsense ill get to that soon

[fluid hill]

new gen pro and day one lc vs retired lc

[fluid hill]

oh okay lol

[undone shuttle]

dang its really hard to review without access to the level link

thanks for deleting it grosser

[fluid hill]

Worldx do you think this map should be certified?

[undone shuttle]

i wanted to re-check the ending but i thought it was fine

[undone shuttle]

i certainly see the issues nebula mentioned, but the solutions she proposed I doubt will work. In its current state it depends if you value pro on pro situations / 1v1s or only care about this level in publics. Publics rarely have a bunch of pros in them, and even in those situations I thInk that the ending will be good enough. So you might think I want it certified because it will work well in publics? Nope. I've changed my mind about 4 times writing this and I can't bother to change my whole message over and over again so I think the main problem boils down to the griefing. It is too difficult for noobs to grief against noobs and for pros to grief against pros, we have already established that. But even in pro vs noob scenarios there is no point to use the griefing spots because you know you will always outlast anyone on this map. The only thing that would incentivize pros to grief before the end is if they knew the end is not completely skill based, and that is why I think this ending works. It's hard to master, and it is a risk to let yourself get there against someone else. If it was any more skill based it would kill any motive to grief before it, if there even is any. So that's why I don't think it can be certified, there are no situations where anyone would be rewarded for griefing.

[hasty wren]

it seems spino maps have the same issue

HHH

HHH

[undone shuttle]

Situational griefing is a very hard thing to do right, but it always comes down to three factors:

• Accessibility (ask yourself: "is it too difficult for non-pros to do?")
• Unavoidability (ask yourself: "is there a way for a player to always be safe from this grief?")
• Consistency (ask yourself: "is this griefing method a consistent way to grief pros?")

Not every obstacle in a level based on situational griefing must contain all three, but ideally some should, and it would be best if they were available almost all throughout the level.

[fluid hill]

peak

this is what we need, for some reason like half the lcs dont know how to review elims

[undone shuttle]

(for clarification, situational griefing elims are levels like bouncy box run, knockout tower, and conveyorbelt, where the gameplay changes as the level progresses, with new places to grief arising. Levels that stay more or less the same like skullscraper, spike survival, and elim triangle do not add new griefing opportunities as they progress and have just a few main methods for getting kills throughout.)

[undone shuttle]

[undone shuttle]

there are sufficient pro vs pro griefs in hiphophooray

but if you disagree please argue in dms

[hollow geyser]

wow

uh

interesting

@undone shuttle what was the link

[undone shuttle]

i dont have it

[spiral dagger]

https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io/?play=a6b9413c-2263-4ecb-8895-6fb94eea80d2

[slate lance]

Bro had the link all the time

[undone shuttle]

thanks

[spiral dagger]

It‘s not that hard to find the link in browser history

[hollow geyser]

Thx epex

[fluid hill]

bad grammar

[undone shuttle]

english isn't his first language

[slate lance]

Heyyy, don't judge :((

[fluid hill]

he told me to tell him when he said stuff wrong

[hasty wren]

do you learn from never understanding why you failed

[undone shuttle]

fr

[glossy shell]

so all LC agree with Nebula?

here is gameplay to watch from testings: https://youtu.be/mscHdRhOss0

i think the problems that nebula sees are hallucinated and will not be a big issue. i even think it is good to have some campingspots. most of them are hard to get to anyway and you put yourself in an not so optimal situation. but if you want to escape some annoying griefers they are nice to have.

saying that the ending is pure rng is stupid. it requires skill to stay alive and even more skill to win. even reaching the end is an achievement. if you dont want to play it with others you have enough possiblities to play aggresive prior the end. the gameplay felt super skillbased to me throughout all testings. also in 1v1 with kleiner, the aggressive player always has the upper hand imo.

i tried to camp out kleiner but he always found ways to kill me

i feel like nebula is totally detached from the reality of the normal goober. this is also reflected in the elims that are certified lately or those that get rejected. most of them are only enjoyable for triehards and usually an auto-loss for noob/mid players against "pros". and for noob/noob or mid/mid players the results are more or less random because the ways to grief are only possible to do safely for the top 5% of all goobers that play the game. i dont mind having some of those levels in the game but i think there should also be a place for levels that are also enjoyable for people who dont like to grief all the time. most of those elims are not really fun to play for me. all aboard would be fun for many imo

[glossy shell]

i dont get your conclusion. i think it is very rewarding to grief. you have multiple spots where you can attempt to kill others without being a free kill afterwards yourself, which is the main problem of many elims imo

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[glossy shell]

what @undone shuttle and @weary ginkgo seem to forget in all their "wanna be super sophisticated goober-dash-elim-analyses" is that the most important thing is to have fun playing a game. i personally dont have fun in new levels like "knockout tower", "final fight", "ice climbers" and also "going down". and no, its not a skill issue. its not even a question of winning/losing. i win very often. but at the same time most of my wins feel empty because so many goobers suicide so quickly. i dont even have a chance to do something to have fun. if i chase them they simply run away. or if i dash them the other inactive goobers just wait for me to do it and then dash me and i dont have any way to counter that. so best practice once again is to just wait it out, no need to do somehting skilled, just do nothing but watch if someone goes for me. sooner or later the others will probably die before me. wow, such fun gameplay. this is impossible in "all abord?" and you more or less have to be always active. this is what is fun for me

[glossy shell]

is this what we need? what do you take out of this? for me its just "bla bla bla griefing bla situational bla pro bla bla, i sound so sophisticated blubb blubb"...

@fluid hill please explain it for an idiot like me so i also learn from the wise worldx

[weary ginkgo]

"This video is private"?

Your language is insanely and pointlessly aggressive, I've come to terms with creators not appreciating a denial and getting toxic as thats something that happens really often but to get mad when I show you camping spots, tell you if they are fixed (which would change virtually nothing about the elim) we can keep talking about it is kinda wow

You're taking it too much to heart and its making me wonder if i even want to talk to you about it even though i appreciate you actually wanting to debate me about it now when you first didnt want to

[weary ginkgo]

Nevermind, I deleted that from my original message 😅

[glossy shell]

you cannot open a "private video"?

[weary ginkgo]

I just generally believe that nothing in my messages actually was aggressive though or warrants any sort of reaction like that

[weary ginkgo]

Turn it unlisted

[glossy shell]

i am generally annoyed by you

[weary ginkgo]

Also sorry, isnt this exactly what elim-triangle is? Please don't take it to heart, but feel free to prove me wrong

[glossy shell]

no, you dont get it

i have to be active and not just stand around fishing for easy kills

i want to move, jump, dash. that is fun for me. griefing is also fun but only one part of it

[slate lance]

We tested this elim yesterday

It is super fun to play with 8 people, we haven't tested with four unfortunately

[weary ginkgo]

huh, and ice-climbers & knockout tower dont have that sort of feeling? I believe they require you to be active and that "just stand around fishing for easy kills" is fine because you can literally grief in so many spots on both?

[glossy shell]

i have played it with four and it was super fun. let me make my video work

[weary ginkgo]

Anyway I think we're getting offtrack, I see what you mean and its something I consider a lot as I prefer the average player to have fun over the pro player but havent thought that our new elims break that sort of thing even slightly, actually they've been the most entertaining elims ever

I have a video of flight of whatever that shows how versatile it can be

Might send that in in a bit

Just unprivate the video and ill make my mind up

[glossy shell]

i am curious about other LC's opinion. i dont care much about what nebula has to say because he cannot relate how goober dash is played for non-pros

[weary ginkgo]

Then why even talk about what I said?

[glossy shell]

i started with "so all LC agree with Nebula"? next time i turn off ping

[slate lance]

I agree with Nebula about you being aggressive now; is it really about the map?

[glossy shell]

i dont feel aggressive. i just say that i dont value nebula's opinion highly. sorry for that, but its the truth. i hope there are other LC still active?

[spiral dagger]

I do

[weary ginkgo]

Just make that video public and I'll guess based off of that

You have nothing to lose

[glossy shell]

i try 😅

since you told me. not that easy for me

[weary ginkgo]

Also just fyi, my very first sentence was "I'm talking without much experience testing here" I wonder what that implies...

[glossy shell]

is it visible now?

[weary ginkgo]

No

nvm yes

[glossy shell]

why is it a problem to have the 4 spots he is talking about?

they are fully intended

[fluid hill]

he atleast knows what he’s doing the only people in lc rn that know how to grief are me and nebula 🤣

[spiral dagger]

Not like I don't

[fluid hill]

i forgot about you

[glossy shell]

i think the first wall is fine to climb so you dont die superfast as noob. downside of it is that you have to dash over it to get back. you also dont see where the moving platform is

[fluid hill]

you did say you couldn’t review elims well or something like that a little bit ago tho

[spiral dagger]

Just from looking at the level I see a few safe spots where you cant get griefed

[glossy shell]

is this a problem?

[fluid hill]

i think safe spots can be fine

[glossy shell]

the 3 other spots are only available for "pros" as it is hard to get there

if you get followed be teaming guestholes it is nice to have them

[weary ginkgo]

Not really?

[glossy shell]

you only reach them with dashjumps

[spiral dagger]

I don't see it being much of a problem right now but imo an elim shouldn't have any completly safe spots

[glossy shell]

they are not completely safe

[spiral dagger]

Disregarding the spikre wall

[glossy shell]

and if you apply this to other levels, you have to uncertify nearly every elim

[fluid hill]

where are the safe spots can someone show me?

on top of the ufo

[weary ginkgo]

Especially in Jumpzone elims camping has started to become common because its just so easy. Why allow it here? I dont think elims have ever allowed camping like this, even if I get your reasons for doing it. I know some pro players who will literally just get on top of those and do nothing but survive because itll be easy to after a few times playing. Why is it hard to fix that or atleast make it harder to?

[fluid hill]

what’s wrong with those

[glossy shell]

i dont know

[weary ginkgo]

In your video youve convinced me that itll be fun when everyone plays in a fun way, but just like hiphiphooray was griefable in customs and isnt really that griefable in normal games because most people just run to the end as fast as possible making it hard to grief this could just end the same if you allow these spots

The good thinking is "oh players will take this if there are teamers"

[glossy shell]

the ufo you can jump up and then wait if someone else does and dash him down again

[weary ginkgo]

Are you free to test right now? I am gonna try playing exactly how I see some boring players would

[glossy shell]

no. test with others

[weary ginkgo]

Okayyy?

[glossy shell]

i cant

[glossy shell]

i work

thats why i leave discord all the time. i get stuck here too often and start writing too much

[fluid hill]

i feel like the safe spots isn’t much of an issue cause of the spike wall coming

[weary ginkgo]

Like literally I dont see a single person trying the camping strats in your video, everyone plays aggressively which just doesnt disprove the camping point

[slate lance]

Not really ig

[spiral dagger]

Still, you can just camp there

[weary ginkgo]

It looks fun when everyone is trying sure, but real games look different lol

people care more about winning in real games

[glossy shell]

like i said. i tried to camp kleiner. he beat me something like 45:5 because he played aggressive

[weary ginkgo]

Isnt that a bad comparison tho? Not everyone will be able to grief like kleiner, but these camping spots (except one) dont seem that hard to get to

they are learnable easily

[fluid hill]

why not just edit the map some instead of arguing

[glossy shell]

the question is: are those a problem?

[fluid hill]

I was suppose to take a shower now i got distracted

[slate lance]

Water

[glossy shell]

i dont want to be killable on each and every spot. thats not fun

[spiral dagger]

Also @glossy shell you cant see the platform before the round starts, please move the start down a few blocks

[fluid hill]

i agree very much actually

[spiral dagger]

Question is why the first spot even exists

[weary ginkgo]

Why not just patch out like the first stations griefing spot and the last one then? (From my image) The other two are probably the hardest to pull off and you have no clues on when to go down

I can settle on not being able to camp in every station but being able to camp in the two that are hardest to pull off

[glossy shell]

what do you mean? the first wall?

[fluid hill]

grr why did you say all my elims with the highest like rate

[weary ginkgo]

cant tell if you're talking to yellowstorm or me

[glossy shell]

you

[fluid hill]

i feel like we do need another nooby elim tho

[weary ginkgo]

gotta use the reply feature

[fluid hill]

all the ones getting cert now are very proish

[glossy shell]

what do you want to patch and why?

[weary ginkgo]

Yeah, my idea would be to just make it unclimbable or make it harder to climb

[weary ginkgo]

Well I dont see a reason for a player not to just sit there for a while and then quickly jump over after 10-15 seconds

Theres nothing stopping them from sitting on this wall

[glossy shell]

but then they need to dashjump over the spikes and are vulnerable to players on the bottom?

[weary ginkgo]

Yeah? But if its timed right (and ima be real the timing is not that tough) those players will already be on the vehicle thingy

Then just jumping on with them is easy

Maybe you're right and my pro mindset or whatever is making this seem so easy, but it really doesnt seem that complex

[glossy shell]

it does not sound to me like a "best strat"

[weary ginkgo]

and i want to avoid the demographic of players who can pull this off being able to pull this off

because it doesnt change much about the level tbh

[glossy shell]

you will be late at the boat and might get doubledashed off it

[weary ginkgo]

This is why I want to test those lol

Both of us have no clue how these strats will look in a real game

[glossy shell]

yes. but i think you just make up those problems thats what i mean with "hallucinated". its just a goober-dash-elim. its not that deep. and if it is not working it can be fixed. opposed to other maps that are a fail by concept already. am i aggressive again?

[weary ginkgo]

yes but im just gonna ignore your tone because i want to actually understand you 🤣

[glossy shell]

i feel the same with "chicken". to me it looks like the most promising level besides "all aboard"

those kind of levels are fun for me

and instead you cert elims that are unfun for me. and uncert levels i like. game gets worse and worse with every cert-wave for me

[weary ginkgo]

i dont "make up problems" i try to get a vivid imagination of what players of each skill level could do and couldnt. Thats the only thing I can do without testing and why I said "I don't have much experience testing but this is based off of how I see other elims develop". I believe that most players will play different in a custom vs a real game, not only because they can't do all the strats consistently without dying, but also because they want to win and won't even try in the first place. Which is why those players have the chance to simply go up to those secret high grounds which to me seems like places that are easily learnable. If that will become the strat for your level then that seems horrible, which now I am offering to test to see how available that strat really is. Its not even about anything else but the camping spots to me now, I just want to avoid the strat being camping because it was made too easy. Hope you understand and ping me at your next testing custom, I want you and kleiner in the elim because you two have the best prior experience

[weary ginkgo]

we listen to community feedback not to grosserspino exclusively

All elims we uncert are done through polls

Thats also why ice-age was uncertified, most agreed it failed the test of time iirc

[glossy shell]

i am fine with ice-age. the end was bad because of the dash-glitch and more and more people knew how to do it

[weary ginkgo]

Circle Spinner imo has a glitch too, and could be recertified when we get a proper non buggy spherical object

I hate eliminating but want to keep it in the game because its really intense eitherway and has 200 ways to play it

which elims are you on about again? I only remember you loving those so much

[glossy shell]

circle spinner was awesome

[weary ginkgo]

i agree but the amount of glitches was beyond me lol

I cant with a straight face say "I want circle spinner back" without those being fixed

[spiral dagger]

You mean that you keep bounced off it cause the ground isn't smooth?

[weary ginkgo]

or getting stuck, or lagging because of it

the list is too long to ignore those

I guess falling elim adv also seemed like something grosser loved, but the infinite at the top sucks and needs to be patched out

Idk i dont remember all of them but just wanted to respond to grossers arguement lol

[glossy shell]

thats what i always said. why uncert something genious if it is only 2 nodes to remove to fix

[weary ginkgo]

then fix it for us and we'll recert? I think no one wanted to do it

[glossy shell]

i consider this LC-work, not mine. i dont want to push anything into the game just because of me liking it. thats why i left LC

the polls are bad imo. you should ask unbiased and with full lists. and you should not only accept results if they feel good for you.

[weary ginkgo]

Its LC work? But we just send levels

[glossy shell]

and fix

[weary ginkgo]

We point out the problems

[fluid hill]

?

[weary ginkgo]

I agree ngl we should probably make them unbiased, polling sites exist for that but most of them require sign up or track data which sucks

We could ask per DM but thats also stupid

[fluid hill]

who’s biased

[glossy shell]

the polls

[fluid hill]

like they don’t like kleiner so they want his map uncert?

[weary ginkgo]

Best thing we can do is ask Typixel to make a poll ingame somehow but thats probably the most unrealistic thing ever

[slate lance]

We have been begging for months to uncertify Dashtrophobia and Eliminating

[glossy shell]

no like only asking for 4 elims to vote on. it should be all elims

[fluid hill]

who’s we bro 🤣

[weary ginkgo]

So if we want to ask about one we ask about all each time?

Huuuh

[slate lance]

Me, 27, and other people though I forgot the name

[glossy shell]

if you uncert eliminating i am gonna be really aggressive 🤣

[weary ginkgo]

okay everyone uncert eliminating

Quick quick

[slate lance]

fr

[glossy shell]

me, 27 and all other kids that only think aggro-play should be in game

[fluid hill]

well too bad it’s not all about you

[glossy shell]

we have way too few survival elims

we also have too few "random" elims

[slate lance]

Ok, so you think everyone should stay jumping on the node for +2 minutes waiting for the coolest ending OAT?

[glossy shell]

we also have too few "race-elims"

[slate lance]

Who said it's about me bro

[glossy shell]

we have too many "griefing-elims"

[weary ginkgo]

Anyway gotta go. I hate that GrosserSpino doesnt chat anymore, chats like these are fun and help me learn others perspectives on the stuff we do. Everyone else pretty much sucks up to us even if they dont like it which I hate. Goodbye

👋

[slate lance]

I just asked a poll just like everyone else did

[fluid hill]

certify chicken crossing the road 🥶

it has 21 upvotes

[glossy shell]

those dont count

nebula didnt upvote. so every other vote is disqualified

[fluid hill]

nebula did upvote actually

[weary ginkgo]

stop im trying to leave 🤣

[glossy shell]

so whats the reason that its not certified? and something like ice climbers is?

[weary ginkgo]

idk actually

[slate lance]

That's something I agree

[weary ginkgo]

i think its perfect

[fluid hill]

ice climbers is griefable everywhere probably

chicken crossing the road is more survival instead of griefing

[glossy shell]

needs more suicide-potential!

[weary ginkgo]

we need all catagories of elims and its still very griefable so its nice imo

doesnt have any camping spots so

[slate lance]

Still not certified for some reason

[glossy shell]

i blame it on nebula

why do lc even vote and dont simply send to typixel?

[glossy shell]

whats the reason "all aboard" does not get send but something like "knockout tower" is ingame?

everybody camps me on knockout tower. and if i follow them they just hop away

and if i chase them they die. i win. hooray

[slate lance]

lmao

I don't know lol

I feel like this map is good if you fix those huge camping areas

[glossy shell]

maybe i miss out on sophisticated situational telport griefings that only the best can perform?

[slate lance]

But still, they don't like camping but enjoy Dashtrophobia, I can't understand it at all, anyway, I don't like the camping on this one, it's fun with everyone trying to kill each other, but as Nebula said, it would work differently in publics where people just want to win using the weirdest strats xD

[slate lance]

Maybe

[glossy shell]

but where would they camp?

on top of ufo?

i dont see that. and then you have to jump down and goobers can dash you in lasers or off boat. i simply dont see the issue

[slate lance]

That one is very hard to achieve, I noticed it while testing where many people tried, but they always fail

[glossy shell]

see. its supposed to be a reward but it is not without risks

its fun imo

[slate lance]

I feel like you should fill that one with spikes, I don't like camping overall in any map lol

[slate lance]

Yeah sure

[glossy shell]

you cannot really camp because you are forced to move

and if you are slowest you will always struggle on the boat

because you are the most vulnerable one. thats the whole idea behind it

i dont think you want to be last. this is ignored in the whole convo.

[slate lance]

Well, that's true, but still, bro, +10 seconds of camping is very boring, imagine if there are only two people and one is down and the other one is on the top, the guy down would have to wait +10 seconds for the guy on the top doing literally nothing lmao

[slate lance]

Hmmm, you got a point there

[fluid hill]

13!

[analog rivet]

If anyone is free after 5pm EST today would love to test this. Played one session and enjoyed but don’t think I have enough experience on the level to really weigh in on debate

Or any time this weekend

[slate lance]

Wow, it's Friday already

[fluid hill]

wow it’s tytan day almost

[fluid hill]

saturday morning

[slate lance]

Fr bro, it's coming

[glossy shell]

i mean you never know how an elim evolves in publics over time but i dont see the issues that have been addressed. and i refuse to change something without a reason. we have put a lot of thought in each area...

[weary ginkgo]

I hope you read this #1458465298859692146 message

We just have to test it

Enough said, no?

[glossy shell]

i dont know when this will be. i was happy to catch kleiner and force him to finish the map and then we asked for testings. maybe next year we will have another chance? i dont know...

but you really dont need me or him to test

[slate lance]

Why next year bro

[weary ginkgo]

you two have been playing in publics together sometimes no? Just next time ask when you are doing that and I'm usually available most times anyway

[glossy shell]

because we tested this one year ago for the first time

[glossy shell]

very rarely. and this was mainly because he has holidays and i was free over chrsistmas/nye. but yes, maybe it will happen

[slate lance]

Good luck

[glossy shell]

it just seems so unnecessary to make it dependant on me and kleiner. why not test it with tytan and trow for example

[weary ginkgo]

This is all I would change btw, but you will probably hate my ideas

[weary ginkgo]

Well whats the point? If we realize a certain viewpoint is the right one you don't

And we can tell you whatever but you probably will believe your own one anyway lol

same with kleiner id assume

[glossy shell]

i dont care about the 2nd. i dont really like the 1st one tbh

[weary ginkgo]

Just a singular spike would do the trick

[glossy shell]

the 2nd is unnecessary. there is not reason to go camping there.

[weary ginkgo]

I want people to not hug that wall indefinitely

[weary ginkgo]

Racing through it quickly and hugging that wall makes you completely invulnerable to anything

[glossy shell]

what if i tell you you can also camp inside if you hug to the wall to the right 🤣

[weary ginkgo]

Is that dangerous atleast?

[glossy shell]

yes. not a valid strat i guess. you can try

hard to get out again

was just funny to find out

[teal flax]

What a discussion 😅

[glossy shell]

its a potential new elim! we really need to debate every possible node!

[weary ginkgo]

joke or not?

[glossy shell]

joke

or not?

you are the LC

[weary ginkgo]

Is your sentence a joke or not

[fluid hill]

💀

[glossy shell]

it was ment to be a joke

but i often fail when trying to joke

but maybe you consider it true? do we have to go though each node?

[weary ginkgo]

Well you should know that this specific ramp right here is really disrespectful. Please change it to this

Sorry, I am LC you have to do it now 👍

[glossy shell]

thats how i expect you to review

[weary ginkgo]

bro is delusional

[glossy shell]

and this is how your first feedback felt for me

why you want the first wall to be with spikes

[weary ginkgo]

cuz you can hug it simply put

even a single spike might make it dangerous to hug because someone can boost you into that spike, if you try to dash away they might get you with the spikes on top

Stuff like that promotes aggressive playing

[glossy shell]

isnt it nice to have a safe start?

i dont like aggressive playing if you dont know

[weary ginkgo]

Your start is pretty safe eitherway

only like 30% of goobers that get to elims might actually try any grief there

Often people expect too much of little children

[glossy shell]

idk. my lobbies are full of guests that only have 1 mission: grief me

[weary ginkgo]

Noob

Just dont lose to guests smh

[glossy shell]

you have been one of them

[weary ginkgo]

i would never 👼

[glossy shell]

see. so let me have my wall to climb up safely at least at the start

[weary ginkgo]

Maybe I'm fine as long as Kleiner can fix that last station

ping me at the next test 👍

[glossy shell]

i think you can still annoy me if i hug there, if you push me up all the time and try to dash me volley into spikes

[undone shuttle]

I think that definitely still holds true for all aboard, the players will die to the level before you die to the level, as long as you are the most skilled player in the lobby. At least in levels like going down, the griefs are straightforward and you have to watch out because the average player is able to kill you with them. I don't think you understand my main issue with this level's griefing spots.

The issue is that the griefs are too hard to do for the average player and too easy to avoid by pro players, making them useless in noob vs noob lobbies (they can't do the griefs) and useless in pro vs pro lobbies (so easy to avoid, if me, goobercustoms, and 27 were to do this map in a custom together I don't doubt we would make it to the end most of the time.) The griefing just isn't built to be able to grief pros, only to grief noobs. And even in that scenario, when a pro is trying to win against noobs, it is much easier to just save your dash and not go close to any of the griefing spots, since the average player will die to the level on their own. This makes the griefing spots cool to do, but not used at all in the best strategy in pro vs noob lobbies. This is not the only map where that holds true, even skullscraper there is little reason to grief the average player as a pro, but the fact that in the other situations in publics it is also extremely difficult to use the griefing spots renders them obsolete.

Again it all really comes down to the three factors that a griefing spot needs,

• Accessibility (ask yourself: "is it too difficult for non-pros to do?")
• Unavoidability (ask yourself: "is there a way for a player to always be safe from this grief?")
• Consistency (ask yourself: "is this griefing method a consistent way to grief pros?")

Almost ALL of the griefs in this level are too hard for the average player, too easy to avoid, and not effective against experienced players.

If you really want a level that is fun for new players, don't make a level built to bully new players because the situational griefing spots are too hard to use for them

[glossy shell]

i dont think this will happen in publics. good comparison is skullscraper. it works perfect in publics in my opinion and the griefs in here will do the same

the noob is able to press the dash-button. thats all he needs in many spots

[weary ginkgo]

I can see these 4 spots being used by most players (+ all the saws between the sections)
But those 4 spots seem like something you can learn to dodge and just move past.

I still believe there should be like 1 or 2 spots that arent as expected by players after some time

[undone shuttle]

it works because noobs can grief noobs and especially because pros can grief pros

[glossy shell]

same here

[undone shuttle]

the griefs in this level are no where close to the griefs in skullscraper

[glossy shell]

it will be fine

[undone shuttle]

prove it to me

because I don't think so

[glossy shell]

you prove it to me. testings already proved it to me kind of. prove me wrong

[weary ginkgo]

aren't you kinda making the claim

i dont think you claim something and then expect the other person to disprove you

[undone shuttle]

im saying prove griefing works against pros

[glossy shell]

real talk: only publics will tell

[undone shuttle]

if someone can grief me

because i think it's all completely avoidable

[weary ginkgo]

I think if we had a feature that allowed us to secretely go into matches and put an elim into just that match we could see

The devs have a tool to watch matches secretely

Thats already a lot

[glossy shell]

sounds fine for me if it takes skill

[undone shuttle]

wdym?

[glossy shell]

if i need to be skilled to avoid being griefed than thats fine

[weary ginkgo]

It takes skill to learn to avoid it

[undone shuttle]

I think anyone that knows this map cannot be griefed

[weary ginkgo]

Doubt it

Even though im on ur side, thats not true

[undone shuttle]

then what will happen when two players that know the map fight each other?

[undone shuttle]

it's not about sides

[glossy shell]

they decide: do I want to go endgame or do i try to surprise

[weary ginkgo]

I want to test this elim, gonna go ping some people in #goober-dash

You two are free to join

[undone shuttle]

mm maybe

[glossy shell]

i couldnt avoid all the pressure kleiner put on me

[undone shuttle]

speculation doesn't get anywhere i would rather test

[glossy shell]

in the end he usually succeeded

which proved to me: aggresive play will win this map. way earlier than endgame

[weary ginkgo]

you are free to join: mqvn

[glossy shell]

and if i am not good enough in your opinion, then it is also no issue because there are only very few better than me

ok, i join on mobile. this pretty much represents a noob

[weary ginkgo]

grosser

no offense

do you see what we mean

[glossy shell]

no

🤣

i think its perfect. so wdym exactly?

[weary ginkgo]

wild thing to say after seeing us win 4 times by doing absolutely nothing till the end cuz its the strat

[glossy shell]

grrr. dont dash me at the start. i always load into game very late

[glossy shell]

noone plays like that

you would win box-run after a while if noone is doing anything

but i have seen you do nice kills

nice end imo

[weary ginkgo]

bro

do you not get the point

or are you ignoring it on purpose

[glossy shell]

no

play it safe and woldx plays it aggro on you. lets see what happens

[weary ginkgo]

all i see is "you learn to camp before you learn to grief"

first skilled game right there

[weary ginkgo]

ok

[glossy shell]

lol, my dash was random. i didnt even see the laser

you can ruin every map if you simulate the "we all do nothing"

[weary ginkgo]

thats not exactly it tho

We all grief, but just at the safe spots where we can continue camping

[glossy shell]

see. quick win

[weary ginkgo]

Because i did nothing?

I literally just camped 😭

[glossy shell]

jk

[weary ginkgo]

hm

[glossy shell]

i still dont see any issues. i just see its fun and even as a noob i can survive pretty long

grr, got killed before i even loaded into game

dont dash me at start

[weary ginkgo]

thats true, noobs will be able to survive pretty long

keep in mind worldx is one of the best players, ofc i will be not easily able to camp

against noobs? I literally dont even have to play the game im sure

they all eliminate eachother and ill win

[glossy shell]

but you want to have fun so you kill them

[weary ginkgo]

Grosser

[undone shuttle]

no

[weary ginkgo]

the point is that its possible

[undone shuttle]

thats not how it works

[glossy shell]

or you play skullscraper by just hopping over saws?

[weary ginkgo]

i literally said this would be fun if everyone played aggressive

infact i think itd be amazing

but thats just not how it is

people play to win in publics

[undone shuttle]

yeah i agree ngl

but playing defensively is always going to beat that

[weary ginkgo]

people are bound to l earn to camp and then see it as a viable strat to just win

[glossy shell]

it will work in publics and will be fun

[weary ginkgo]

Okay, i dont think we can convince you even if we had everyone in the world tell you

[glossy shell]

only if the defensive player is better than me

[undone shuttle]

if the griefing followed my three golden rules yes fr

[undone shuttle]

if you try to grief them you will usually die

[glossy shell]

then why does your map does not work in publics?

[undone shuttle]

my map?

[weary ginkgo]

It does?

[glossy shell]

according to my fun-formula?

it does not

[weary ginkgo]

Knockout tower has always been super fun

[weary ginkgo]

im crying

[glossy shell]

its terribly boring

[undone shuttle]

lmao

[glossy shell]

i just hop around

[weary ginkgo]

Yeah, im not even gonna try anymore 😭

Nice level, but I reject it

Goodbye 👋

[glossy shell]

try to get at a spot where i can grief, but they hop away

nothing happens until they hop into spikes themselves

[undone shuttle]

i dont think it would be too hard to make the griefing good ngl

[glossy shell]

and its players that usually are good

[undone shuttle]

for kleiner i think he could do it if he wants to and understands the problems

[glossy shell]

it will be good in publics

[undone shuttle]

in which public scenarios? all noobs, multiple pros, or one pro?

I think it works in none

[weary ginkgo]

It will be good in the average player vs average player lobbies at the start but when there are two players that understand that camping is the strat on this level then it will be horrible. The test of time tells us that players learn to adapt from the pros, so within time this level would stop working

[glossy shell]

we will see

[undone shuttle]

it would work in average vs average player lobbies but there wouldnt be successful griefing

[undone shuttle]

i dont think we will 😭

[glossy shell]

what do you even mean. make an example

what would you change. just one spot

your talk does not make sense to me

[undone shuttle]

I think it needs to be more straightforward and work on pros

[glossy shell]

so show me in examples

[teal flax]

I can't believe how long this is discussed

Should i read it?

[undone shuttle]

I am not as good of a creator as kleiner, but I can say from experience what doesn't work after I test a level, but for example I think adding the permanent saws back to the platform could be a good consistent griefing spot throughout the level

[glossy shell]

that was awful in testings

hiphophooray kind of awful

thats not what i want ingame

[undone shuttle]

maybe, i dont remember exactly how it worked out

[teal flax]

Everyone dies instantly?

[glossy shell]

yes. with the saws at the boat everyone died to early for me liking

[teal flax]

ah man

[undone shuttle]

I would flatten out this ground so it is easier to grief, raise the saw up by one, and change the platforms on the left side of the interior to provide another path

just a small tweak but then it makes it a lot more consistent

but that is one of the better griefs of the level

[glossy shell]

see. i would not really want that. i like both griefs in this section

i think it is more fun the way it is. feels great to get one of those kills

[undone shuttle]

why wouldnt you want it, it just increases consistency

[weary ginkgo]

I think the laser tunnel and the weird 4th station are by far the worst ones for griefing

[undone shuttle]

anti camping spikes too?

[weary ginkgo]

I said this in my original text but griefing inside of the stations after the 2nd station is not possible

only till the end really

[glossy shell]

for you against worldx maybe

but for kleiner against grosser it is possible

[undone shuttle]

for you against guest1446 of course it will be more consistent

[weary ginkgo]

didnt you literally suicide dash on the third station even though i wasnt anywhere near you

thats the kind of thing i mean

[glossy shell]

didnt i say i play on mobile

[weary ginkgo]

not an attack on your skill, its a basic arguement because you played like the average player would

and with the gamesense of a pro whos seen many griefs

yet you couldnt grief on the 3rd station at all

[glossy shell]

i can hardly press the right button

[undone shuttle]

why not just plain spikes here?

[glossy shell]

nah, feels like i get suicided

[weary ginkgo]

part of me still thinks the laser tunnel could get extended and there should be some consistent griefs built in

[undone shuttle]

good

something you have to finally dodge

[weary ginkgo]

and by consistent griefs i mean griefs that actually work each time not like this

[undone shuttle]

that hasnt gotten a kill in testing at all

[glossy shell]

you annoy me with all your killings. i think it is also fun to survive a map and then try to get a kill in endgame. and i dont even think this will happen that often. anyway, thanks for playing and testing.

[weary ginkgo]

this looks kinda scuffed but this is what id do concept wise

just something you can actually use and you get stopped by the slope before you suicide dash

[undone shuttle]

yeah thats like inbetween how it is now and my solution

[weary ginkgo]

we arent saying add more kills, we're saying add spots that work

You can always choose to not go for risky stuff even if it works, to get a kill in endgame

I think the end game is by far the most fun and skilled station

But I wouldnt want every game to get there

[teal flax]

Where is the link btw?

[remote forge]

scroll up to yellowstorm's message

[glossy shell]

i dont add anything. i can ask kleiner but i doubt he will work on that many changes. i wonder why you dont trust in him, its not like his maps dont work

[weary ginkgo]

You wonder why? bro we just tested and showed you why it didnt work 😭

[remote forge]

@teal flax

[weary ginkgo]

6x in a row the person who did nothing got past all griefs

the aggressive player had no chance

[glossy shell]

thats the same as me saying we tested and it worked perfect

[teal flax]

yh thx

[weary ginkgo]

So you really looked at me and worldx doing nothing and winning 6x in a row and thought to yourself "yep this is perfect"

how???

[glossy shell]

well, it would be wrong if me on mobile would win

[weary ginkgo]

you even saw how most players in the custom couldnt pull off any griefs cuz they were inconsistent

you included btw

[slate lance]

@glossy shell I think you're getting it wrong, I know you want to make it fun and not 100% deadly, but I feel like camping doesn't make defensive play-styles fun, it's just annoying for everyone, it's not about "add more killing points", it's about fixing the huge camping in it, I hope you understand, that's my opinion on it

[glossy shell]

yes, i can ask kleiner to put some spikes/saws. but he wont change the whole elim that worked perfectly fine. maybe we can test with kleiner later or in the future and then nebula can try and show him

[glossy shell]

i still dont get how the camping is awful in that map. i would be curious if you can make it till the end "all the time" if kleiner plays aggro on you

[slate lance]

Nah bro, it's fine playing on customs, but how would it work in a lobby where everyone is just playing safe? Just looking for the camp spots on it?

[glossy shell]

i dont have those lobbies

i sometimes wonder if i play a different game

[weary ginkgo]

you play at the same time and are a celebrity

[glossy shell]

same as in five platforms. it never happens that eveybody waits it out for someone to dash

this map would also go until the end if everybody just camps

i can name tons of maps that would have that issue in theory. it just never really happens

box-run. easy to survive till the end. never seen the end in publics. or only once

[weary ginkgo]

I am playing gooberdash at the same time, literally just had five platforms and no one dashed because the griefs usually kill you or you get dashed by someone else after dashing and missing

😭

Literally everyone did nothiing

you must be playing a different game

[glossy shell]

if others dont move i push them. why play a game and just stay around

i dont know. maybe that just happens in pro-customs. in publics i rarely see it. dash-off might be the only one where it happens more often

[weary ginkgo]

when the elim doesnt promote it and instead you get killed because of playing aggressive 90% of the time

ofc ppl will play that way

[glossy shell]

but in all aboard you are forced to move all the time

[weary ginkgo]

moving is not the same as griefing?

[glossy shell]

maybe you can camp a little but the people that you just saw in five platforms probably cant even reach the camping spots

[weary ginkgo]

you can camp a little? Did one of us have a schizophrenic episode and see a different game in the custom?

At this point its just ignorance, bye

[glossy shell]

or take dashtrophobia. of course jumping in the middle on the bottom is a safe camping spot. but even this rarely happens in publics

[glossy shell]

nah, i just am busy controlling my goober on mobile. thats why i always say i cant play. i dont have time to watch what you are doing. i am focused to hit the right buttons and dont walk into a spike

[teal flax]

I can't cuz my connection isnt good enough

jumping elims suck ngl

its so much connection

When you lag you die instantly

[glossy shell]

thats true but thats your bad

[teal flax]

Well i am not the only person who lags

[glossy shell]

same for me if i am laggy. but goober dash just sucks if you lag in general. most games do

i often lag. sometimes ping, sometimes rtt. nothing we can do

but yes. jumpzones are horrible with bad connection

[teal flax]

But if you lag just a bit it is absoloutly playable

if it wasnt for Jumping elims

[glossy shell]

well, whats the solution? dont use jumpzones anymore?

[teal flax]

no bruh just dont make jumpzone based elims

[fluid hill]

you lagging isn’t the maps fault 🤣

[glossy shell]

because some people lag? i think this game runs incredibly good compared to many others i have seen

[teal flax]

how funny, but it can be respected anyways

[glossy shell]

and it is always on my end if i lag

[teal flax]

A newbies skill issues also arent the maps fault smh

[glossy shell]

blame it on your neighbors or provider or whatever causes the lag

only thing that should be respected is a maximum amount of nodes so low-end-devices dont lag that much

so uncertify circular-world. i teleport 90% of the time

and i have a decent gaming-laptop

[fluid hill]

yeah I do too

[glossy shell]

this is unacceptable. and i would also uncert all the glitchy maps that are moved down 10000 blocks

or move them up. most of those are good maps

[undone shuttle]

add 5 platforms to uncert polls

that happens in every 5 platforms game i play

[glossy shell]

see. i like 5 platforms. always fun to play for me

[fluid hill]

it already has been people voted for it to stay 🤣

[undone shuttle]

whats the harm of polling again

[glossy shell]

it works in publics imo

[undone shuttle]

no reason to get kills

it is too difficult

[glossy shell]

yes. true. poll as long as you get the right result

thats what is so fun

[undone shuttle]

public opinions are not static

[glossy shell]

yes. thats why you just need to poll every week. sooner or later you get the result you want and post it to typixel

[fluid hill]

💀

how about we ban every player that wants five platforms to stay so then it will be 100 percent uncertify

[undone shuttle]

good idea

[glossy shell]

there you go. goated idea

lets only have elims that super-pros that perma-grief enjoy. this way everybody will stop playing and worldx will finally be the best player

[weary ginkgo]

We have plenty of survival & grief elims

We are getting 2 (maybe 3 with chicken crossing the road) new ones this next wave

[glossy shell]

4. all aboard will be there too

[weary ginkgo]

Make it good then

or are you just gonna DM typixel to add it past the LC

[glossy shell]

already did it

you all asked me to be lc, so why not. or should i get lc for a minute, post it and then leave discord again?

[undone shuttle]

but we have decided the griefing does not work

[fluid hill]

he goes by a certain message nebula sends now so i doubt he would see it

[glossy shell]

i am LC in theory and say it will work

[weary ginkgo]

then 1/3?

elims still need 3 votes

[glossy shell]

LC also said cat cage rampage would not work

[undone shuttle]

you are outnumbered and have no other supporters

[glossy shell]

nebula also said tick tock would not work

[fluid hill]

tick tock is the best elim in the game

[undone shuttle]

only one LC remains from that time period

[slate lance]

Voting for your own elim works?

[glossy shell]

LC also refused to post Spino Golf

[fluid hill]

this isn’t his this is mini grossers

[weary ginkgo]

i also said i loved oscillating blades in the past, things change and my criticism is ever changing

[glossy shell]

LC also did not post Dash Climb

[undone shuttle]

it is kleiner's

[slate lance]

Ok

[fluid hill]

i still like it 🥹

[glossy shell]

i just posted the stuff i liked. they introduced votings because of me. at least thats how it felt for me

[undone shuttle]

dont you play on portrait mode lmao

[weary ginkgo]

huh

wrong person???

[fluid hill]

yeah you can’t even see it half the time 💀

[glossy shell]

it took me some time to convince you. first you said suicideing would go crazy and you dont like it

[weary ginkgo]

but where

i cant find that message

Im literally looking everywhere

[fluid hill]

i swear nebula says that on almost every elim

[glossy shell]

i think in yoyo's server. the others liked it, you did not

[fluid hill]

[kind snow]

yoyo has a server?

[fluid hill]

yes it’s only pros

[kind snow]

[remote forge]

am i a pro can i join yoyoserver

[glossy shell]

that was the only working and fun competitive server. destroyed by community

[fluid hill]

i got banned from it

[weary ginkgo]

@glossy shell

This?

"i dont think they affect this one too much"

[remote forge]

awpg for goober dash?????

[fluid hill]

i invited my friend who wasn’t a pro and got banned

[remote forge]

[glossy shell]

probably thats what i remember. you also forced kleiner to change something that he did not like. dont remember what exactly

[weary ginkgo]

probably the bouncy strat

i remember you could just stay on the right side all the time which kinda sucked

Thats definitely not possible anymore

I dont see anything like what you're saying tho, misremembering or maybe just a different person

[glossy shell]

not sure if he really changed anything. same with insect invasion. you wanted an additional checkpoint and i just lied and said we put one. but we didnt but you were super satisfied and posted the map

[weary ginkgo]

i trusted you

Thats why i posted it

didnt bother checking

good to know i cant trust it

[glossy shell]

i didnt even know where to put one more. checkpoints are perfect. it was just you acting important

[glossy shell]

not at all. it was a big support for the game

but some players thought they coudl do it better...

[fluid hill]

😡

[weary ginkgo]

I see what you mean but acting important is crazy

I cant confirm if the checkpoints werent bad or were ever changed

too long ago

[glossy shell]

acting important is your second name

[weary ginkgo]

sounds like with you and being ignorant when others show you a clear problem

[glossy shell]

maybe

need to leave discord again. just look at the time i wasted 😆

[weary ginkgo]

bye

[glossy shell]

can you test now? kleiner dont think you can camp him. prove him wrong

k5cn would be code

@slate lance

@weary ginkgo

[slate lance]

I don't have much time now sorry

[undone shuttle]

1-0-0

[glossy shell]

i wasnt even playing. but lets play normal now, but you are camper

[remote forge]

is camper the person who greifs or tries to play defensive

[undone shuttle]

1-0-1

[glossy shell]

defensive

[undone shuttle]

you are camper too grosser

[remote forge]

thats literally me lol

[undone shuttle]

kleiner is targeting me

2-0-1

only campers have won

[glossy shell]

thats him

[undone shuttle]

?

ok kleiner was able to grief me that game but still didnt win

and it wasnt from an obstacle he just knocked me off the lift

2-0-1-1

me (camping)-kleiner-grosser-matrixical

[remote forge]

i camp 2 i think

[teal flax]

can i join?

[remote forge]

💀

oops

[undone shuttle]

2-0-2-1

[glossy shell]

yes, join

[teal flax]

alr

[glossy shell]

i still dont see any issue. i just dont get it

[teal flax]

Looking forward to it 👀

[remote forge]

thats not camping

[glossy shell]

i dont see no camping issues

we need nebula

[undone shuttle]

2-1-2-1

[undone shuttle]

yes

[glossy shell]

trow plays, or spectator?

[teal flax]

skull kleiner suicided me

[undone shuttle]

3-1-2-1

[undone shuttle]

notice how the person playing aggressive has the least amount of wins?

[teal flax]

Iwould adjust the background in the laser station

[undone shuttle]

3-2-2-1

[teal flax]

make it excactly there where the laser goes, not only at the bottom but also at the top, so it is more intuitive how far the laser goes

[undone shuttle]

3-2-2-2

[glossy shell]

sorry

[undone shuttle]

4-2-2-2

[glossy shell]

works perfect for me. fun gameplay all the time. you dont have fun?

[undone shuttle]

i do have fun

but only because kleiner is playing aggressive

and he is good at it

[remote forge]

yay

[undone shuttle]

4-2-2-3

[teal flax]

I am sooooooo skilled i won 😎

[undone shuttle]

4-2-2-3-1

kleiner has 2/12 winrate being aggressive

[teal flax]

grr i paid for griefing grosser

[weary ginkgo]

okay

[undone shuttle]

screen time warning killed me

oops

[weary ginkgo]

i am kinda tired but ill try lol

[glossy shell]

nice, i dont know what to do to not have fun in this map

[analog rivet]

I don’t think the “camping” here is game breaking at all in games i watched albeit I only was able to watch 3 because I’m at work. I think it builds suspense and public players would find it fun tbh. Definitely see why high levels players wouldn’t enjoy but I do think it would translate well to pubs from what I saw. To me has the good suspenseful parts of Odd One Out while avoiding quite a bit of the RNG that goes with that level.

[undone shuttle]

ill be right back

[glossy shell]

such a great level

[teal flax]

i have skill issues

[glossy shell]

lol

[remote forge]

💀

[weary ginkgo]

I love doing nothing and winning

Its so fun

must send this cuz I win on it

[glossy shell]

you also win if you do something

[weary ginkgo]

right now i havent even ever played this aggressively

[undone shuttle]

doesnt help you win

[glossy shell]

its just a nice choice. but kleiner is fine with adding some spikes

[weary ginkgo]

defensive wins you 90% of matches

[undone shuttle]

your winrate goes down

[weary ginkgo]

its so bad lol

[undone shuttle]

if you try to grief

ppl die on thier own

[spiral dagger]

Why do something when you can do nothing

[glossy shell]

why play a game?

to have fun

only a handful of "pros" do nothing in elims in my experience

[weary ginkgo]

showing ur ignorance i see

[remote forge]

im gonna go after this one

[undone shuttle]

thats what i get for not camping

[glossy shell]

i just dont get how you can say its bad, if everyone has fun

[spiral dagger]

Oh I assure you the average player on dash off elim also does nothing

[weary ginkgo]

i always have fun in customs

[undone shuttle]

^

[teal flax]

HA i suicide dashed Kleiner
vengeance is sweet

[undone shuttle]

i will say nebula is overexaggerating it though, it isnt that hard to grief

at least pro against pro

[analog rivet]

I think it’s atrocious for competitive style matches but I’d be interested to see how it goes with 4 players of very distinct skill levels. Like a Worldx vs. TRow. vs. decent pubs player vs. new player. Feel like pros would fare well enough? Like I’d never play odd one out in a custom and the win would get formulaic for sure but I think, controversially, to be fair, that it works in pubs.

[glossy shell]

of course. it will be fun, thats all

[weary ginkgo]

Okay

I made my mind up

[analog rivet]

Lots of “easier” Elims getting uncert and new Elims leaning heavily towards skill based side. I do wonder about long term effects of that tbh for new players

[weary ginkgo]

I'm actually gonna be sending this level

(ofc only if it gets 3 votes)

However if this doesnt beat the test of time dont complain

[teal flax]

🥳

[glossy shell]

its very skillbased. we can reduce camping

[weary ginkgo]

I think the trials are enough to not be boring all the time, itll feel different each time and the ending is amazing

[glossy shell]

but i dont get this "situational grief" stuff

[weary ginkgo]

At the very least itll always be intense

[weary ginkgo]

Don't

Just let it stay this way

The negatives are obvious and all I want is for the strategy to not be that

[spiral dagger]

Is this going to be an opposite ice age thing

[undone shuttle]

i feel like final fight of vulture bob isn't ngl

has same issues as we said here but worse

[weary ginkgo]

I would say fix the 4th station please

but you do you

[undone shuttle]

at least the start, the end is fine

[glossy shell]

you mean the wall. please explain what you want. just the spikes on the side?

[teal flax]

🙏 #1458465298859692146 message

[glossy shell]

i dont see anyone camping there but i dont mind spikes there tbh

[weary ginkgo]

spikes on the side and inside aswell

I dont want to see anyone hugging that wall

and it allows another killing spot

Fyi you can line up the vehicle with the spikes really easily

Since you can see them always

[analog rivet]

I want to play it myself and don’t want to vote blind obviously but will probably eventually vote tbh unless something crazy comes up

[weary ginkgo]

Part of me thinks those spikes should be further away?

Like only a bit so you cant see them at the top of anything

[spiral dagger]

Count my vote in ig we can see if it‘s suited for publicd if it isn‘t itcan always get uncertified

[glossy shell]

can you send screenshots what you want exactly? i will check with kleiner. he is perfectly happy with the level

[undone shuttle]

fair enough

i wish there were griefs that the average player can do though

[glossy shell]

ofc. if something sucks it should be uncerted right away

i just dont think this will suck. this will be a favorite for many is my guess. but maybe i am wrong

[weary ginkgo]

like that

[undone shuttle]

I think you're right

[weary ginkgo]

opens up an unexpected killing spot too

[glossy shell]

i think the most recent elims are too hard to be enjoyable

[glossy shell]

thats fine

[undone shuttle]

this level feels like a noob kill-farm to me

[glossy shell]

but they can still have fun

[glossy shell]

and dont feel like an idiot like in other recent elims because they just die

[weary ginkgo]

(this was my first time playing ever fyi, and i barely tested this one)

it has a lot to it

and its really consistent too

[undone shuttle]

ok never mind then lmao i just have no idea how to play it

[teal flax]

Like, i am not lc but the background here is showing you were the laser is going, i didnt understand that at first, maybe mak the background exactly were the laser goes at top and bottom so it is more intuitive

[glossy shell]

10 players max are able to play like that. all others just feel bad to be obliterated

[teal flax]

The laser goes suprisingly far out

[weary ginkgo]

Its just a super dangerous elim where you have to really focus

no one has to play like me but this is one where anything can happen to you at all times, and even those I think are fun if you don't always get them

[glossy shell]

players cant do that. they are paralyzed because they dont know what to do. and worldx complains about hard griefs in all aboard. thats a joke

[weary ginkgo]

I'm pretty sure hes not wrong about hard griefs though

I think most wont even use station 1 and 3 to grief, let alone even consider trying anything on 4

[glossy shell]

no. its not fun if you dont know what to do and die with minor mistakes

[undone shuttle]

vulture bob griefs are much harder yes

both are too hard for average player

[glossy shell]

i am fine with it, dont get me wrong. but i dont want any elim to be like that

[weary ginkgo]

You don't die with minor mistakes at all

Someone has to be really good for that to even happen

[glossy shell]

i died trying to dash someone. everything feels cramped for me. i dont practice elims. i play around 100 games per week. i will see vulture bob twice per week. i feel it will take me months to start getting good at it...

in all aboard everyone knows instantly what to do. thats fun. thats at least how i see it

[undone shuttle]

even at my skill level it feels too chaotic and like you dont know what you will die to or what you can dash people in to

[glossy shell]

and i will not be great in all aboard. i am not pro in griefing. but i will still have fun even when i lose. because the level feels fun. sorry for the glaze but thats my opinion

[undone shuttle]

i havent seen anyone get close to nebula's consistency on her first time playing the level

[slate lance]

Ice Climbers reference

[glossy shell]

agreed. ice climbers also feels like: move 1 pixel wrong and you are gone

[weary ginkgo]

I love ice climbers

[slate lance]

fr

[undone shuttle]

we know

[glossy shell]

nebula is just nebula

[weary ginkgo]

I love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbersI love ice climbers

[glossy shell]

instant uncert

[undone shuttle]

only person who can play vulture bob

[glossy shell]

lets do a poll

[remote forge]

twi and nebula beef

[undone shuttle]

hasnt been released long enough

twi hates ice climbers though 🤑

[glossy shell]

i am just kidding. that would be stupid

[undone shuttle]

i havent played it enough to have an opinion

i think its too easy for pros and too hard for noobs though

it works in pro vs pro kinda though

[glossy shell]

i dont praise all aboard because it is kleiner. i dont love hiphophooray and never loved it. i always said it is too difficult for average goobers to have fun. but nebula loved it

[spiral dagger]

this is what nebula wrote in lc chat after submitting the level

[undone shuttle]

goobers should not have to do a timing to survive

[glossy shell]

same applies to other elims kleiner made. like goobington chairs, even though everyone seemed to love it. thats one that would not stand the "test in time"

[slate lance]

GooberNut created Ice Climbers and we tested it on the same week/day he did it, and it seems I was correct the whole time with my feedback

[glossy shell]

thats not the issue. i love the idea but it is executed too hard

now i need to watch soccer. sorry for being so persistent. i will ask kleiner to change the requested section

[undone shuttle]

it is the issue, 80% of goobers i see on that level die on first cycle to that

[spiral dagger]

Whos playing today

[glossy shell]

frankfurt - dortmund. need to go. bye

[spiral dagger]

which team you rooting for

[hasty wren]

jump on top of them

or over them

if you miss

[toxic crescent]

where is the link

[slate lance]

I was kind of bored so I decided to work on it just a little bit by removing a bunch of camping spots that in my opinion, are an issue, anyway, after testing I changed my mind about the top of the UFO, I honestly like that one, and well, I don't see a reason to remove it https://gooberdash.winterpixel.io?play=5ab5582b-41ec-4453-be92-e31adc10155e

[fluid hill]

am I the only person who doesnt like this new editing others peoples levels thing

[remote forge]

nebula just did this once and then tytan started following

[glossy shell]

just got "vulture bob" 3 times. its actually horrible. worst since avoid the lasers for me 🤷‍♂️

[hasty wren]

i feel like

idk

whatever

[glossy shell]

its sad. I just got rid of most of the elims i hate to get, and now it returns even worse and in hordes 😭

and i lose elims i like on top. not nice for me. i hope at least a few people are happy...

[undone shuttle]

i don't think very many people are happy with the new elims honestly

the game is just getting easier and easier for pros

to the point where i only lost two games in a 42 game season

unnatural

[glossy shell]

new elims are just for sweats. i am sorry. i know i am not a uber-goober but i still am capable to win a lot and seem to be somehow good at the game. but i fail to see more than a handful of people able to enjoy those maps. even if i only played them 3-4 times 🤷‍♂️

[undone shuttle]

i agree

[glossy shell]

its just not what this game is designed to be

imo

[undone shuttle]

It's what a competitive community would want

the problem is that that community is dead

[fluid hill]

it got insta cert cause typixel said he liked it

[glossy shell]

i dont think this game is supposed to be competitive

[fluid hill]

my goat

[glossy shell]

i also like to see it. but not to play it

[fluid hill]

its fun to play competitively though

[glossy shell]

its a great design

i dont even want to play competitive. maybe races, but not elims. but thats just me probably

i think we have good maps to be competitive at but they are still enjoyable for others. those new ones seem too complicated for me

[undone shuttle]

people that feel like they are good at the game are more likely to participate in the community and maybe make maps for the game

[glossy shell]

anyway. lets wait and see. maybe i will love them in 3 months 🤷‍♂️

[fluid hill]

i can already tell grosserspino is gonna hate take the stiars

[remote forge]

take the stiars doesnt exist

[glossy shell]

i have not seen that. but if it is the same direction i also doubt i will like it. just not my cup of tea that seems trending now

[fluid hill]

its kinda like ice climbers

[glossy shell]

i wonder who likes those

[fluid hill]

its easier tho

[glossy shell]

who are those players that upvote? do you push them? feels so strange

thats like 70 goobers pressed upvote in 1 week. crazy for those elims

i wonder who they are. i was in the middle of clueless goobers while playing them 😆

i dont really like knockout tower but it seems so easy compared to ice climbers/vulture bob. i dont get those votes

[undone shuttle]

knockout tower is much scarier

[fluid hill]

im honestly kinda suprised ice climbers is 89 percent lol

usually newer maps are higher like rate then go down after a few months

[undone shuttle]

it's because it's fun

for newer players

they don't try to grief each other so it just feels like you're climbing

[fluid hill]

its the only ice elim maybe thats why people like it

[glossy shell]

i dont see that fun for new players

[fluid hill]

wait i didnt even think of that lol

[undone shuttle]

yeah they like unique levels too

[glossy shell]

if i am clueless what to do, what do they think. maybe i am just stupid

[fluid hill]

true knockout tower is very basic so its downvoted

[fluid hill]

you survive the longest

[undone shuttle]

It isn't the only map that is hard to win on your first time playing

[glossy shell]

i think i won both times i played it

[undone shuttle]

It's actually one of the least memory based levels if you're trying to survive instead of grief

[glossy shell]

but i did not know why or what i was supposed to do good

[undone shuttle]

just climb it's not complicated

[glossy shell]

but so slow and boring. so of course i start to push others. i dont just stand around

[fluid hill]

lol

[undone shuttle]

you can use the griefing spots if you're bored

possible to kill everyone on the very first obstacle

[glossy shell]

maybe i just need to play it more often. but it looked limited in gameplay for my abilities

if i see the chance i suicide i dont do it. its the worst thing that can happen to me

[undone shuttle]

yeah in my experience only the first grief is accessible to most experienced players, the rest are not easy

[glossy shell]

maybe it looked too much like suicide. i dont really remember. i just remember being clueless

the average goober plays 3-5 games per day. they see each elim once or twice a week. this should be considered imo.

[undone shuttle]

@glossy shell @weary ginkgo i don't think the griefing works perfectly but I don't think it matters for this level, it's good enough how it is and will definitely be fun for most players I think. We don't need more griefing focused levels, this game makes it so easy for the best player to win already do That's why i would still send it

[cunning crescent]

Hi

What’s up

[weary ginkgo]

why not? Its like showing someone that a certain idea can make their level good and they can take whatever they want from your level. As long as you of course don't upload your level and tell the person that its not something you are allowed to copy 1:1 then idk

i dont see any issue

[weary ginkgo]

maybe

[weary ginkgo]

it seems fun to me

Im sorry that you cant enjoy it

ofc my opinion isnt definitive

I wouldnt compare it to avoid the lasers though

[slate lance]

Well, why not lmao, I feel like it gives the player ideas, I'm kinda scared that new players would just copy whatever I do, but it helps the creator pretty much, that's something I appreciate lol

[hasty wren]

me toio

toi

like teio

tokai teio

https://tenor.com/view/tokai-tokai-teio-uma-musume-umamusume-tokai-dance-gif-11989962185181000725

[fluid hill]

you just copied what nebula said but in a different font basically

[slate lance]

I didn't see Nebula's response

[fluid hill]

tuff

[analog rivet]

Played it myself a bit this weekend. Was fun and directly counters a lot of gripes I have with newer elim gameplay so I feel confident in giving this my vote

[undone shuttle]

nice

there's not really any point in griefing until the ending if you're playing optimally but I don't think that really matters

[granite elm]

Hey! Quite the convo..... I read as much as I could then had to skip to the bottom lol.

I think I understand the basic debate, but MY personal opinion is that it just plays a little slow. If we sped up the platform, I think the griefing/camping issues are minimized, and makes for a more exciting elim?

[weary ginkgo]

thats a decent idea, why not test it right now edited like that? I think theres some players in #goober-dash chatting right now who could help

we could find out if it works

[undone shuttle]

thats interesting, I think it could be an option but I would be worried about players staying too long at a station and missing the lift

It could work though

i also think playing elims in single player really makes them seem to drag on longer, and in multiplayer you can lose track of time while there is more action going on

[granite elm]

I like the idea of just barely catching the back of the platform compared to waiting for the front of it to appear.

[slate lance]

I gotta agree with that 😅

[torpid marlin]

Typixel making a review on a level!!?!

[fluid hill]

please don’t advertise your map in another persons thread