Ranked System/Gamemode "Idea"

[brazen hatch]

Alright so because im bored I had this idea of a ranked system a couple of days ago and I wanna see what people would say about it.

The main idea of this ranked system is to make the ranked system seem more consistent/fair meaning no -80 losses if you die once.
It would work like this:

The Gamemode Idea

In the gamemode, there can be a total of 8 players. (I'll get to that in a second)
The gamemode will be solo meaning no 2v2v2v2 or 4v4.

You would be playing 3 rounds in one match, but you would be awarded points for what you do inside of each of the rounds. Meaning:

Kill = +2
4th = +3
3rd = +5
2nd = +6
1st = +7

At the end of each round of the 3, you would be able to see a leaderboard with the total amount of points you got in the match and which position you are compared to the other 8 players.

If you get anything below 5th at the end of the match, (not any of the rounds!) you would lose trophies.
The higher you are in the leaderboard obviously, the more trophies you get. Meaning if you'd get 5th, you'd gain way less trophies than if you were 1st. (Obviously)
And obviously if you get 6th, you'd lose less than if you'd get 8th. Simple stuff. (I hope)

Changing the trophy system for the gamemode

Now this is where it gets important. If you'd lose/win a match, this is how I would change the trophy loss/gain.

1st: +10% of current trophies (2nd would get +8%, 3rd only +6%, 4th only 3%, 5th only 1%)
8th -10% of current trophies (7th would lose 7%, 6th only 3%)

If you are higher up on the leaderboard, meaning you would pass around 900 trophies or whatever the minimum to enter top 50 is at the current point, this is how losing/winning would look like:

1st: +5% of current trophies (2nd would only get +4%, 3rd only +2%, 4th only 1%)
8th: -10% of current trophies (7th would lose 8%, 6th only 5%, 5th only 3%)

This is so it doesnt become playtime > skill and you are expected to perform better overtime. At top 20 this should be changed one more time:

1st: +5% of current trophies (2nd would only get +4%, 3rd only +2%)
8th: -20% of current trophies (7th would lose 9%, 6th only 8%, 5th only 5%, 4th 3%)

Explanation for all of these things I just said

Why 3 rounds?

At the current moment, if you lose a single round when you are higher up, you would lose trophies. You are expected to ALWAYS perform at your highest and not lose. Thats obviously possible, but very hard and I am sure you would atleast lose every 6th game or so.

So if we wanted a system where you are still expected to play at your highest, we would have to make the check for how good you are playing not check one round you played, but multiple rounds you played. This is why there should be 3 rounds like in the gamemode I suggested above.

If you perform badly in all three rounds in the gamemode above and lose trophies, you would basically have no one but yourself to blame because you had 3 chances basically.

Why make the trophy gain/loss consistent?

Well this question is a no brainer if you have played ranked at a higher spot on the leaderboard before. I mean, you literally gain like +5 in elite if you win a match and lose -80 + your house + everything you own + whatever else the game can steal if you lose a match.

So I think it would be better that if you play at your absolute worst and get 8th, you should lose the same amount you would win as if you were to at your absolute best in 1st.

Lets apply this to a random amount of trophies:

-Let's say you are Dark and you are currently in 17th place
-You currently have 1200 trophies

You go into a game, lose the match and get 8th place because you played horribly in all 3 rounds.

You end up losing 120 trophies, which is alot obviously, but you can always regain all of it by getting 1st the next match or getting multiple good places in a row.
In the previous system, you would have to slowly climb back up getting only +8 if you're lucky.

More below

Hold on dont type aaahhhh

i gotta keep writing

[granite cape]

so basically like gd

[brazen hatch]

Guys let me writeeee ill explain everything in a sec

[granite cape]

okie

[long condor]

too long of a match for me sorry

[brazen hatch]

With the new system I'm suggesting, you'd have a much more fun time because you always know you can regain that big loss by playing well. Much better right?

Now Nebula, isnt this just literally playtime > skill?
NO!!! Because just playing doesnt give you the trophies, playing well does.
Simple as that i dont think i needa say much more

I hope this is a good ranked system and I will listen to da feedback if you have any

No space to rewrite most of the idea so:
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agreed

what do you think is a good number

[long condor]

nebula listen

[brazen hatch]

how many points should you get for one kill in a 8 player match

[long condor]

its a good idea

but

thats way too long of a game

[brazen hatch]

I think it's fine because its 8 players and the match should still matter for your trophies. If it didnt matter and it'd be a short match that would make it playtime > skill

[long condor]

no thanks

[brazen hatch]

I mean imagine the match was like 4 minutes long with the same ranked system and you'd lose, you could legit regain a huge loss in like 8 minutes lol

[long condor]

im sticking with ranked squads

or solos

[brazen hatch]

OK

[long condor]

nice idea though

not for me

[brazen hatch]

thanks

in total a match would be like 12 minutes long if each round was 4 minutes in total

[long condor]

yeah

Thats why

[brazen hatch]

they should add subway surfer gifs

maybe that would helpü

[strange pier]

💪

[brazen hatch]

I would say no and i never really understood why

Like ok you killed a cool high ranked player but like

what does that change

[granite cape]

so it

[brazen hatch]

being at the top (around top 20) means you need to atleast get 4th every game or else you'd lose

[granite cape]

s kinda like goovber dash right?

[brazen hatch]

no

[granite cape]

cuz

[brazen hatch]

what made you think that lol

[granite cape]

3 rounds

[brazen hatch]

yes

3 rounds in a match

[granite cape]

+blah blah

[brazen hatch]

how so

[ivory tulip]

they should be more skilled and therefore should be harder to kill

[brazen hatch]

You know how much 10% of your trophies is right if you actually lose a match in 8th

it isnt really

what position are we talking about in the leaderboard

how many trophies do you think that is usually at the end of the season

And also it'll still be hard to get third for most people, you're usually gonna be playing with good players aswell so if you have 3 players your skill level that means one of them will lose trophies if all are in top 10

dont forget about other players

you arent always gonna be queueing with level 1's and rbr already has a system where if you're above the average trophy amount you'd probably get into a different matchmaking "bucket" (or whatever techno calls it) meaning you'd face off against harder players

Obviously it'll still be easy for people like you, but you're a top 20 player lol

[brazen hatch]

the average trophy amount is 800 btw

I think?

idk i think it would but really we cant ever know if you cant test it

you could also make it so that if you're like

top 5

you'd have to get either 1st or 2nd

Or else you'd lose stuff

That definitely would make it hard

actually just had an idea, what if you scale the trophy gain/loss for this system for every league instead of just like top 50 and top 10 and 5 lol

you could say you start off with 250

thats what blade ball does and this entire system is kinda based off it

I think theres a bunch of stuff I'd need to rewrite for my idea so im just gonna let it stay like this for now but add these two message links

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#1194412318604406915 message

thanks for the feedback though @ebon talon

maybe with a bit more rewriting this could work even for the rbr player base

[cursive parrot]

not reading all dat

[brazen hatch]

yeah just shut up

[cursive parrot]

jk

[brazen hatch]

if you wont give feedback just shut up

[cursive parrot]

I was aboyt to read it

[brazen hatch]

:/

[hearty spire]

i read a bit

[cursive parrot]

I read all

[hearty spire]

seems like an ok idea but i think gaining trophies higher up is more like a grind like before rather than skill

[cursive parrot]

its a great idea

but how to counter teaming

[hearty spire]

yea that as well

[brazen hatch]

you cant

no way to do it

Only way to counter it in some way is to ban the teamers

or reset their stats

[compact laurel]

second im not assuming it is im just asking if it is referring to placement in game or lb rank

for the first question, it says its simple but that exact topic is what frustrates people so obviously it is not

would expect developers to already have a way to make the balance "more enjoyable while being fair" if it was

wait that says the higher you are in the leaderboard the more trophies you gain????

was that a typing error

because i can already say why that system would be ass

[long condor]

but you wont lose a match in 8th

if you are a good player

lmao

like i guarantee im not getting 8th place to a level 3 guest

99 times out of 100

top 3 is easy

thats barely top 50%

[compact laurel]

who says youre going to get level 3 guest in your game every time @long condor

[long condor]

who says im going to get 7 other level 50 players 🤣 the chances of that are very slim

plus im better than at least 6 out of those 7 level 50 players

[granite cape]

alrdy 122 msgs?

thats crazy

[compact laurel]

i feel like you should assume everyone at an equal skill level first

[long condor]

?

i dont even think there are 7 other players on the same skill level as me that play the game currently

and im not trying to be egotistical just honest

[compact laurel]

if everyone in the lobby sucks cool but the post isnt centered around the 8 player mechanic its about the gain/loss of trophies

[long condor]

ehh

but the gain/loss of trophies depends on how many players

so both things matter equally its not really centered on one thing or another

[compact laurel]

i'll just let nebula explain it lol

[long condor]

hes not here silly

[compact laurel]

i know hes probably sleeping just wait until tomorrow or something

[long condor]

nebula was definitely on some questionable substances at the time of making this post

same

[brazen hatch]

No its just hard to explain the system

[brazen hatch]

placement in the points leaderboard at the end of a match

[brazen hatch]

where exactly

you arent meant to gain more trophys and you gain less if you're higher so idk i never said that

[brazen hatch]

You're always forgetting that you're one of the best players ever jimmy

You're saying the system is bad because you're just one of thebest players

[long condor]

well yes

but

thats not my fault

[brazen hatch]

But

[long condor]

that means the system is not fair

[brazen hatch]

Ok but thats like saying the squad ranked system sucks because i keep only winning

So it should get buffed

That doesnt make any sense

[long condor]

?

no

squads is fair

ish

[brazen hatch]

You want it to be skill > playtime right

[long condor]

mhm

[brazen hatch]

so why are you argueing against the fact you can gain trophies more easily if you're skilled

Lmao that makes little sense

[long condor]

so basically

if i get third

every game

or higher

[brazen hatch]

then

[long condor]

i never lose trophies ever

which is great for me

but unfair asf for everyone else

[brazen hatch]

+2% of your current trophies for top 3

sure you wont lose but

do you currently only win?

did you never lose in 1v1v1v1?

[long condor]

pretty much

[brazen hatch]

you're saying all of this so confidently while you're ignoring the fact you can simply get grouped with actual good players

[long condor]

well actually

[brazen hatch]

and you ignore the fact they can get lucky and get a better spot than you

or rapid spam you

whatever happens

[long condor]

i can believe that

my ranked royale win percentage was about 70% i believe

[brazen hatch]

ok so if we say you have to place 2nd or 1st to gain trophies else you lose trophies would that be fair for everyone?

i mean fair for you guys yes but for people that arent top 10 players?

[long condor]

no

but this system increases the gap between players

imo

[brazen hatch]

Currently from what im hearing you guys have never lost ever at all and you guys are like the gods of this game and could simply win any game ever

So im confused here

[long condor]

thats mostly true

not the gods part

but i win almost every one of my games

and if i only have to get top 3 out of 8

that makes it even easier

[compact laurel]

@brazen hatch is this system exactly the same as blade ball or is it changed

[brazen hatch]

exactly the same but i tried making it fit into rbr more

thing is people might be too over confident right now

[long condor]

and by people you mean jimmy

[brazen hatch]

yes

[long condor]

thats fine

but people in other timezones would also get to abuse this

[brazen hatch]

one thing i added btw was that you had to place 2nd or higher in elite i think lol idk if you saw

[long condor]

like kitnyp (we already can see this in ranked squads)

[brazen hatch]

so whats the way of countering that

[long condor]

i didnt, it was too much to read but thanks for telling m

e

[long condor]

there is none, but im saying it would be even more of a difference because there would only be 8 players so less chance of getting rapid spammed

its just always gonna be noobs

[brazen hatch]

So the point doesnt really matter lol

If its not patchable unless you go out of your way to say something crazy like

"everyone can only play ranked in these 6 hours of each day"

[long condor]

also whats wrong with the current ranked system (ik its a lot to lose but its really not that bad)

[brazen hatch]

like everything

+2 for a win

-50 for a loss

hows that fair

You lose once you needa play hours

just to get back to where you were before

[long condor]

but

thats how you stop the good people from getting to 3000 trophies

[brazen hatch]

every person loses eventually

[long condor]

yes

[brazen hatch]

you're really too overconfident jimmy

you really are lol

[long condor]

mhm

i know

[brazen hatch]

i think you expect yourself to like win every game

that doesnt reallywork

[long condor]

not every game

but top 3 is doable

top 2 in elite ikik

[brazen hatch]

with my system or this system

[long condor]

only occasionally do i see good players in my games

[long condor]

im talking about yours

top 3

and top 2 in elite

remember

[brazen hatch]

arent you usually playing with them

my system is solos btw incase that wasnt obvious

[long condor]

no it is

[brazen hatch]

its not like 4v4 or anything

[long condor]

i know

[long condor]

yes, im talking about when i see other teams

[brazen hatch]

the difference between meeting people in ranked squads and my system is that you'll be playing with the best people in ranked squads and you'll be playing against the best people in my system

so its actually still difficult in my system lol

[long condor]

mhm

i can see

but

we could coordinate to not get in the same game

[brazen hatch]

Ok

[long condor]

ever think about that

[brazen hatch]

i know what you mean jimmy but

how does thst matter

😭

You can do that in any

[compact laurel]

ever think about the fact that not everything goes perfectly your way every time

[brazen hatch]

ranked mode

[long condor]

SO I DONT GET GOOD PLAYERS IN MY GAME

thats my point lmao

[brazen hatch]

jimmy who says everyone wants to do that with you

[long condor]

nobody

but id rather play against one person that is good and wants to kill me than five good people

[brazen hatch]

Heres the problem with your arguements:

-You're expecting yourself to win all of the games easily
-Everything goes perfectly your way in the match
-Everyone has no chance against you
-You will always be able to regain even if you lose one
-You wont ever find any good players

While I do understand your way of thinking in a way jimmy

You could apply that way of thinking to any ranked mode

and it would make the gamemode look bad

even if that way of thinking doesnt make sense

[long condor]

-not win, get top 3
-doesnt need to go perfectly if i play noobs
-most people dont have a chance
-this is just true
-only occasionally will i get a good player

[brazen hatch]

You're still thinking too optimistically imo

[long condor]

you're thinking too pessimistically imo

[brazen hatch]

This is all technically true if your match was in the best way possible for you

that wont happen sadly

[compact laurel]

ok so @long condor you do not currently play ranked right

[long condor]

@compact laurel no none at all why

[compact laurel]

ok then in that case what is your experience with the current system do you also win 9/10 games

[brazen hatch]

ima go to bed guys i got school tmrw

[cyan ravine]

is there a shortened down message of the idea

[long condor]

yes

[brazen hatch]

list the most important things

[brazen hatch]

no need i got u

https://tenor.com/view/save-me-subway-surfer-gif-8039370

[brazen hatch]

tommorow

[long condor]

huh

[cyan ravine]

i have no keys

[long condor]

list the most important things tomorrow

[compact laurel]

then why are you complaining

[brazen hatch]

from wjat you guys will discuss here

[long condor]

? im complaining because this system is not fair for middle to low skill players

[brazen hatch]

wait what

[compact laurel]

how

[brazen hatch]

since when that

[long condor]

if it was all about me i would love this idea

[brazen hatch]

you always have been saying it was too easy for you

[long condor]

yes

thats not why im complaining

i would love for a ranked mode to be super easy

but that isnt fair

[brazen hatch]

what why not

isnt it meant to be

[long condor]

and fairness is more important

[brazen hatch]

skill > playtime

[compact laurel]

you did not bring this up once until now

[long condor]

middle to low skill players are never going to gain trophies if they are against high skill players

its that simple

[brazen hatch]

what

who says they will

?

[long condor]

low skill players will literally never win

[brazen hatch]

yeah cuz thats like

the point

they need to improve

[long condor]

but how can they improve if they get killed 8th place every round

[brazen hatch]

by playing the game?

????

who says they have to play ranked

[long condor]

exactly

[cyan ravine]

this sounds like a season 11 where everyone is above like 3k trophies

[compact laurel]

so now you expect 7/8 people to be pros

[long condor]

nope

[compact laurel]

then they would have a fair shot

[brazen hatch]

What ok so what is ur expectation of the average match

[long condor]

but not really

ok lemme break it down here

[brazen hatch]

I am genuinely confused jimmy

[long condor]

you have

[brazen hatch]

make sure to list the rank of each of the people in the average match too

[long condor]

should i do exact or can i be like "1-2 great players

"

does it have to be a specific number

[brazen hatch]

that but with trophies aswell

[long condor]

oh boy not the trophies

[brazen hatch]

like atleast name the range of trophies they'd be in

[long condor]

okay thisll take a moment

[brazen hatch]

because that matters

[compact laurel]

can you continue before doing that

[compact laurel]

^

this was probably your most coherent argument so far i would like seeing it further

[long condor]

is that your eloquent way of saying my other arguments were dumb

[compact laurel]

yes

[long condor]

okay let me cook hold on

[brazen hatch]

can you just make your point jimmy

[compact laurel]

ok

[brazen hatch]

id like to hear more too

if i agree with it i know what to change

thats literally what it does

just with points so its clearer

[long condor]

1-2 players above 1000 trophies
2 players between 500-1000 trophies
1-2 players between 200-500 trophies
then the rest below that

[brazen hatch]

for people to see who won

[brazen hatch]

heres the problem already

you're forgetting about one part

Theres literally a thing that makesi t so that

[long condor]

no

[brazen hatch]

you have to reach a certain amount of trophies

[long condor]

not the equal matchmaking

[brazen hatch]

yes

[long condor]

that doesnt work

it hasnt worked for many seasons at least

[brazen hatch]

it just got taken out for squads lol

[long condor]

i see 0 trophy players in my lobbies all the time

ive seen them in duos

[compact laurel]

^

[long condor]

ive seen 100 trophy players in 1v1v1v1

[brazen hatch]

No you didnt

thats not possible lol

Unless it was like a level 50

[compact laurel]

imagine the mode has skill based matchmaking

[brazen hatch]

yeah cuz like they have a system to remove the equal match making at some point i think during the day

[long condor]

oh my fault

but i have

[brazen hatch]

so that you can find people in ur games lol

[long condor]

i gotta do homework

bye

[brazen hatch]

im confused now

So are we saying the equal matchmaking doesnt work

??

😭

im just gonna go to sleep i shall

[compact laurel]

possible the matchmaker was just desperate or something but i am not sure what the circumstances for that even were nor how the system works

[brazen hatch]

think about this tommorow

[compact laurel]

the mode would rely on working matchmaking tho right

[brazen hatch]

yes

matchmaking HAS to work else it doesnt work well

[long condor]

that makes sense yes

ur saying if it works it works and if it doesnt work then it doesnt work

you are really tired lmao

[left portal]

wow essay here, good idea tho

so u wont be -80 BECAUSE ONE FREAKING TARGETER IN A SINGLE ROUND

[hidden eagle]

I like this idea but my timezone is bad which means I’m gonna play with noobs anyway🥹

Gonna beat them all and how much trophies do I gain? Same as current rank system?

[brazen hatch]

still thinking about if killing higher ranked players should give more trophys

and lower ranked players less trophys

[dark crescent]

thats not how math works

[balmy juniper]

No way im reading through that but what i did read seemed good

[subtle roost]

Wouldn’t this just make boosting more viable

Since the current system uses elo and so kills/placement rewards are affected by your opponent’s trophy amounts

If you take that away then you could easily get into a match with a level 1 alt and have them die and gain the same amount of trophies as if you killed the tank king

[brazen hatch]

No you can not

[brazen hatch]

ok now that i have time illexplaim

Theres elo based matchmaking

if you're above like 800 trophies you can not meet anyone that like just joined the game

Also boosting is easy sure but at the same time you get stat reset nowadays if they catch ya

[subtle roost]

rbr player base isn’t big enough to support elo based matchmaking

I frequently get matched with players much better or much worse than me

[brazen hatch]

What if i told you

that it already existed

But just got removed for squads

🤔

and also its not elo based matchmaking in the way you think

its literally just

before 800 and after 800 or something lol

[subtle roost]

sounds dubious

[gloomy stream]

Bro’s essay about rocket bot is longer than his essays in english

[brazen hatch]

i dont write much less in english but ok

[tardy hull]

That's a good idea

[drifting sky]

Not a fan of this, you say it’s not playtime > skill, but if you’re skilled enough or play at odd hours, you can just farm wins and gain trophies as much as you want, because trophy gain isn’t dependent on the players you’re playing against nor does slow down exponentially

Being able to lose more than you gain is essential if you don’t want people who play a lot to just continually gain trophies

[brazen hatch]

Ok yeah I get what you mean

however

You do lose more and gain less at some point

but to make you happier i will change something rq

also your point about being skilled enough or playing at odd hours doesnt really make sense because

1. you can play at odd hours even right now and get to top 1 (thats what kitnyp is doing)
2. If you're skilled enough and dont lose, isnt that skill > playtime? I mean why would I change it so it'd be rng? Its meant to be skill based right?

but i did change trophy loss in the top 20 so!!!

[grand hatch]

Having '3 rounds' be performed before calculating the trophy result would help soften the volatility of the trophy system. The trophy exchange that you computed would allow the top level players to indefinetly climb. The top players will likely always finish in the positive trophy position that you outlined, ie: they will climb forever, and the top of the leaderboard will become a 'who plays more'

[long condor]

looks like jimmy was right

[balmy juniper]

yea it would become a who plays more

[compact laurel]

would it now

[brazen hatch]

Makes sense, would there be a way to change the trophys in a way where it wouldn't be a who plays more?