M51 processing

[night patio]

This is 6.5h of work on m51. This is a current Work-in-progresss so I may drop more data in here along the way. Please feel free to process this as I kinda suck! Ill drop the details here.

180mm fl
2.9 pixel size
Imx585

Note there is a little bit of weird stuff goin on with the side of stars, but its not horribly noticable when yoh actually process them/recombine them in. Just dont be agressive on stretching them.

Ive also attached my process

[storm flint]

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for anyone who wants to see it in full detail

[night patio]

Bump might get more data saturday night idk yet

[young blaze]

btw

u should install graxpert

[young blaze]

W

how many hours on it?

[night patio]

6.5 but wanting much more

Give it a go!

[young blaze]

aight

looks good ngl

[young blaze]

btw

when u send ur data for blurX

do a DBE on it before

[young blaze]

here u go bro

this is my take on it

oh wait

i forgot a step

aight here it is

[night patio]

@rocky frigate

[rocky frigate]

ooh ok i'll rn

[night patio]

This is a work in progress so ill be adding more data once the moon isnt bright asf

Imma push it on int so I can pull out at least some ifn

[rocky frigate]

that sounds cool

[night patio]

Gonna be like 30h of int so hopefully I commit fully

[rocky frigate]

yoo cool!

[rocky frigate]

@night patio Thats some cool stuff!

Many many bg galaxies!

waiting to see the 30h result, the ifn with m51 and the bg galaxies is gonna be amazing!

[night patio]

Holy that galaxy is tasty asf!!!

Idk why siril cooked some of my stars when combining two nights tho. May just get a good starmask from one night and use it

But im stealing that image to have on my phone

Dont plan on sharing much images on my accounts until after im done with my int

Now tell me what you did for whirlpool itself

[rocky frigate]

Yeah man! and was easy af tho

[night patio]

Idk mine was cooked

You got some killer dust that I couldnt!

[rocky frigate]

Well i did a slight HDR, and i used Selective color correction to increase luminance and saturation while not affecting stars nor the bg

[night patio]

Youre gonna have to show me these one day live cause I could never

[rocky frigate]

yeah siriL is good but not having masking is just painfull

[rocky frigate]

lol ok

[night patio]

I have your pix so

Just lmk when you wanna show me

If youre available tonight id be down

Only thing I did was a little curve down on the green. Little too green for me

[rocky frigate]

tonight i cant, but its a script very straight foward, go looking into it and if u have any questions come to me

[night patio]

Sounds good!

[rocky frigate]

i was using the green to not let the dust get white but yeah that works too

[night patio]

Well its either I keep it gray or I have to push even more into nb data to get the red in the ifn to come out

Remember the dust wont be green it'll be more white/gray

[rocky frigate]

yeah fr

[night patio]

Still absolutely stellar man!

[rocky frigate]

but i like it yelowish so the green was just a "starter"

whe the 30 hours come out i'll try more yellow dust

[night patio]

Can you drop me the starless/starmask?

I wanna do something

[rocky frigate]

man...

i did not starnet remove this

[night patio]

You kept the stars in the image?

Just drop me that .fit if you got it

[rocky frigate]

starnet removal is just not part of my workflow

[rocky frigate]

yep´all time

[rocky frigate]

lemme see if it's still on my garbage

[night patio]

If you could that'd be great

Or if you have an unstretched version thats still color calibrated properly, that'd work great

But im really gonna have to look into it tonight myself

Easily pushes as one of my best solo images rn

[rocky frigate]

hmm the only one i have is a unedited image

[rocky frigate]

the color calibration i do is after stretching

[night patio]

If you can get it color calibrated for me where I just gotta do some stretching id appreciate it 🙏🙏🙏

Ohhh

Ok then just send me wtv you can

[rocky frigate]

its just some stretches i do when the image is almost finalized

[rocky frigate]

the version i have rn is worse than ur process lol

its just ghs and hdr

has basically no colors neither the stars are good since i reduced the stars on pix

but i can send to u if u want

[night patio]

Uhh that might work idk

[rocky frigate]

it'll be hard to correct the colors, selective color correction is very good so in siriL its basically impossible

[night patio]

Ill try pix

I just really want your coloring skills and my stretching skills

Oh and have you can any denoise?

[rocky frigate]

hmm thats good

[night patio]

Syqon prism is on siril and I like how it does for easy denoise

[rocky frigate]

yes i do the denoise right after i do cropping, pcc and bge

before stretching even

[rocky frigate]

that'd be crazy

[night patio]

Ah ok so I dont need to

[rocky frigate]

yeah

[night patio]

I liked your noise control enough no big deal

[rocky frigate]

yeah but it does kill some detais

[night patio]

Yeah but so does being widefeild like this

[rocky frigate]

i just used maxed out graxpert denoise as always

[rocky frigate]

Bruhhh yeah fr

[night patio]

Might be a little agro but ok

It'll be easier when I get more int.

[rocky frigate]

yeah fr

but like

i just use this setting for all my processes lol

too lazy to adjust

[night patio]

Fair enough

[night patio]

@olive bone

[night patio]

@rocky frigate do you still spcc before stretching even tho you use selective?

[rocky frigate]

yes, but i do pcc since my pix dont has spcc

[night patio]

Im probably gonna do most my basic work in siril then do selective in pix

[rocky frigate]

spcc is not optional, the selective color correction is just adjustments, the spcc makes everything look real

[night patio]

Since I can do GHS well enough I may not use HDR

[rocky frigate]

yeah fr

[night patio]

@rocky frigate my stretching skills lowkey suck

cant get a basic stretch im happy with

[rocky frigate]

bruh

mb ur standarts are way too high

[night patio]

Oh nah I just cant get the dust like you

[rocky frigate]

ohhh

[night patio]

My stretching skills suck

[rocky frigate]

the dust is gonna pop with the selective color corection

[night patio]

Are you busy atm?

[rocky frigate]

or when u use a inverted mask and stretch

[rocky frigate]

nop

[night patio]

Would you wanna help me out in speakeasy?

Walk me through some of this 😭🙏

[rocky frigate]

yeah sure

[twin geyser]

gave this a quick go

needs more int, but it has potenntial

[night patio]

@rocky frigate new stacked version appears to have fixed the stars!

If you would like to reprocess it, that'd be awesome. also the autocrop should be in a good place.

[rocky frigate]

i'll do

yep much better

auto crop looks good and the stars look way better

does it have higher integration?

[night patio]

No just stacked in pix vs the original being in siril

But there's crazy ifn one sec

[rocky frigate]

So yes theres more int, pix just stacks more somehow

I can see the ifn

[night patio]

Better rejection process ig?

[rocky frigate]

yes def

[night patio]

If you can bring out the other bits of ifn id be shocked honestly

Its there but not much. I had to cook the data to get it

[rocky frigate]

i'll definetly try my friend

[rocky frigate]

i see lol

but i'm getting my way into it

[night patio]

@umbral vessel how much int was your m51 you shared today on ig?

tell me this is the right cvz

oh I seen it nows ok

[rocky frigate]

pix just crashed

i'll have to redo all of the selective color corection again lol

MAN I"M TRYING SO HARD FOR THIS IFN

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Its there but i can see more gradient than ifn @night patio

less green

[night patio]

Definetly little more noises but not bad

Can you do msgr?

[rocky frigate]

yeah i really pushed the ifn

[rocky frigate]

i cant, i have no good reference thats wider than this

and cracked pix cant msgr from the server

[umbral vessel]

Hi! 53 hours and 54 minutes

[night patio]

I envy that! Im going for 30h myself

[twin geyser]

i applied msgr @night patio @rocky frigate

[umbral vessel]

Sounds great mate! Can't wait to see the final result

[night patio]

How good did it do?

Away from pc atm

[night patio]

@rocky frigate try this one for size

[rocky frigate]

Yayyy

[rocky frigate]

why did i not get pinged by that lol

[rocky frigate]

53 HOURS?

SEND I NEED THIS PLSSSS

[night patio]

I mean... its cvz

[rocky frigate]

I dunno this man lol

[night patio]

He should be nerd atp

@reef topaz why isnt he nerd

[rocky frigate]

just by this data yes lol

it still has quite some gradients, but ig i can fix those

[night patio]

Its gradients or horribly weak ifn

[rocky frigate]

its gradients

or some very strange ifn lol

[night patio]

That's weird

[rocky frigate]

yeah fr

[night patio]

So on the siril stack we get horrible stars. On the pix stack we get gradients.

[rocky frigate]

@twin geyser u sure u sent the right one? this looks very gradienty

[night patio]

Tbf looks like this

[rocky frigate]

well, maybe pix does such a good work at stacking it stacks the gradients too

[rocky frigate]

AAAAAAAAAAAAH

Do u have raw data of it still?

[umbral vessel]

This is mine😄

Yes, somewhere on a harddrive. I keep everything I capture

[rocky frigate]

can i have it?

[umbral vessel]

That way I can always go back to old data when I learn something new

[twin geyser]

it is inndeed the right onne

[rocky frigate]

ok

[rocky frigate]

pretty pleaseee?

[night patio]

Gorgeous!

I will one day be at that point

[rocky frigate]

I can definetly see more ifn but msgr didnt do much tbh

might have overcooked the galaxy

[twin geyser]

its only about 6.5 hrs and incredibly faint ifn, so u might have

[night patio]

I still dont get how you get those colors

[rocky frigate]

might have what?

[rocky frigate]

loll

lots of practice man

just start doing it and sometime it'll become automatic

just gotta trust the process sometimes

cuz the preview is funky sometimes

[twin geyser]

overcooked

[rocky frigate]

ooh yeah fr

if i didnt go for that ifn i would definetly have a way better result

when its at 30 hours it'll be much cleaner and way easier to try

[night patio]

@rocky frigate just low quality ifn I think!

[rocky frigate]

Hmmm yeah man fr

looks quite alot like it

but more integration will get rid of the colors hopefully lol

[night patio]

can you process it without trying to get that ifn out so much?

Ig a "cleaner" process

[rocky frigate]

yeah but not rn

i just processed this 3 times lol i'll do in either a few hours or tomorrow

[night patio]

@rocky frigate what mask did you have me use for GHS yesterday?

[rocky frigate]

ghs none but for histogram on the faint neb u just need to use a inverted mask

[night patio]

@rocky frigate thoughts?

[rocky frigate]

Hmm thats pretty good!

can get some work on the dust tho but its very good!

[night patio]

Honestly youll probably outprocess me 24/7

I still can't get good colors like yours

Plus the ifn looks better on my pc screen

[night patio]

@spark cipher

[night patio]

This one has better stars

[rocky frigate]

Loll

[rocky frigate]

As I said just give it time

U have skill but need to practice

[rocky frigate]

@night patio here man

[night patio]

The ifn is slightly there still and looks great!

[rocky frigate]

yeah fr i can see it but its very slight

[night patio]

Stars look relatively ok, galaxies look nice

[night patio]

I mean, its 6.5h

Ok gtg

[rocky frigate]

loll yeah fr

[rocky frigate]

ok

[storm flint]

how do you pull out so much detail btw?

i mean colour

[rocky frigate]

Selective color corection on pix

i think its impossible on siriL since it would change all the image

mb with gimp

[rocky frigate]

Same process but i fixed the stars colors a bit

uncooked the bg a bit

[night patio]

Likely getting more data tn

[night patio]

Have about 2 more hours so far

[night patio]

@rocky frigate 10h overall

[rocky frigate]

UHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That'll be great

the ifn is way more noticeable

its also way more detailed and colorfull ig

[night patio]

Oh yeah that stuff around the tail is coming along nicely

[rocky frigate]

Yeah man fr

[night patio]

@spark cipher

[night patio]

@wide charm I plan on getting more data tonight, but would you wanna give this a process?

I just want to find a baseline to see where I am at on this so far. Its only 10h and I wanna 3x that

[wide charm]

3x drizzle?

Or 3 times the amount of data?

[night patio]

Amount of data

I was just letting you know its only 10h and I wanna triple that

Cause ifn is tasty if done right

[wide charm]

I'll happily do it at 10, 20 and 30

[night patio]

This is 10h

[wide charm]

Or I'll do it each time you double the integration

[night patio]

Im going to hopefully add to it tonight if the skies stay clear

[twin geyser]

@night patio u are starting u get some really nice structure, im thinking u have a slight issue with your flats tho

[night patio]

Uhh that doesnt seem very fixable

Itd have to be done in post. Have you tried msgr?

[twin geyser]

its like a ring that is being cast from the right side to me idk

[twin geyser]

yes, that confirmed by suspicion

[night patio]

Then itd have to be fixed in post somehow. Not sure what I can do about it

[twin geyser]

i ccan send a piccture of what it removed if u like

[night patio]

Let me look at my flats from each session and get back to you

[night patio]

Yes ok

[twin geyser]

maybe take new flats and restacking?

[night patio]

Cant take new flats cause I've switched filters and such in between sessions

Id have to scrap it all in that case if it isnt fixable

@hazy light this would explain what you were seeing in my bg before too

[night patio]

So now im concerned if it can be fixed or should I direct effort to something new

[night patio]

Yeah some weird gradients

[twin geyser]

it not too obvious i think?

[night patio]

Possibly. Im sure more data/quality data will help

[twin geyser]

its like a dark rinng in the bottom center

[twin geyser]

me neither

[night patio]

@twin geyser Lemme look at my flats from the sessions

[twin geyser]

u might be able to spot issues in flats when u apply a abe on the masterFlat

[night patio]

Well my flats dont look anything like they did when I imaged them in nina

Its like siril and pix have them much brighter

[twin geyser]

would u mind sending the master here?

[night patio]

I dont beleive i have the masters anymore

But lemme check

Since I stack in siril I dont think i do

[twin geyser]

got it

that wouldve been interesting to see in order to make sure its a flats-issue and not a lights-issue

[night patio]

Tell you what, my day one data looks pretty mid compared to 2 and 3

So let me quickly stack just day 2 and 3 and get back to you

[twin geyser]

no stress, take your time and ping me if u like 🙂

[night patio]

Well I think day one may have had dew issues because its easily more prominent in my old veil process i got that night too

Observe the stars and their quality

[twin geyser]

hmm doesnt look the same tho

[night patio]

Pix wont take too long to stack the calibrated day2 and day3 lights

[night patio]

Ofc itll get worse progressively in the night but you can see how bad tbey are

BlurX will hide the star quality but not the bg

[twin geyser]

fair

[night patio]

This is blurX

[hazy light]

u have bad msg?

i think i broke it lol

[night patio]

there may be something wrong in my dataset

like bad flats or lights from a session

[hazy light]

ahhhh

[night patio]

so I can either

1. try to push through

or
2. try something new

[hazy light]

why not 1+2?

[twin geyser]

what i am seeing is big spot in the top left, middle right and ring of death

[night patio]

Could just be poor bge doing what it does but idk

Im just bummed if this isnt fixable ause there's good ifn structure so far

[twin geyser]

truue

let me check with no msgr

[night patio]

as soon as Pix is done stacking, ill show you the difference on stars on each session

cause it looks bad on day 1 but 2 and 3 look consistent

the reality here is that this is my longest project so far and has lots that can/will go wrong

[twin geyser]

maybe if its just an issue that occcured in a single night the play would be to ignore the affected lights

[night patio]

Maybe I can find my day 1 stack and see

[twin geyser]

i feel that, ive been there

[night patio]

UHHHH

[twin geyser]

doesnt look like msgr made a huge contribution to the issue... im running nx and send a screen any miomennt

[night patio]

WTH PIX?

[twin geyser]

eh?

pixinsight saw no pix xd

[night patio]

its NEVER done this

[twin geyser]

without it looks much worse

looks overcorrected

[night patio]

like an issue with flats

[twin geyser]

most likely

[night patio]

lord almighty

this may be where I have to surrender

[twin geyser]

i think the ring can be caused by the light from the flat panel reflecting on the lens? (just an aasumption here, i dont know tbh)

[night patio]

cause i cant dumb several more clear nights into that

[night patio]

Could be

shoot idk if I wanna image m51 more tonight

[twin geyser]

Xddd

[night patio]

yeah my flats look damn near white on pix

[twin geyser]

are u imaging with a dslr?

[night patio]

but when I imaged them NINA showed darker results

[night patio]

no

askar fma180 and Uranus C

[twin geyser]

maybe stacking without flats might yield a better result

[night patio]

nope cause my first night had horrible dust

[twin geyser]

oooof

[night patio]

yeah siril shows a pretty high up histogram

this is it stretched down some

@twin geyser you can see the sides and the center arent even like in your starless

so its definetly a flats overcorrection

[twin geyser]

jup

[night patio]

which makes all this data unusable

[twin geyser]

i can see the dust mote to the left lower side in the starless as well

[night patio]

shit

[twin geyser]

nooooooo just the flats

[night patio]

I cant retake

if the flats are unusable then the dust is uncorrectable

which is essential for ensuring the IFN stays in ok shape

[twin geyser]

that is true

[night patio]

day 2 looks pretty histogram cooked too

[twin geyser]

i think the dust motes are out of the way of most of the ifn right?

[night patio]

theres IFN everywhere just needs more int

which doesnt seem reasonable rn

@wide charm dont worry about processing, think Im off to different things

[twin geyser]

do u have an alternative imaging plan? Xd

[night patio]

not really. im super widefeild and need stuff to my north

[twin geyser]

cepheus has some really cool ifn and dark nebula structures u might be able to go for if that was your focus

[night patio]

its still kinda low in my sky

id have to wait until like 1am to image it cause houses

[twin geyser]

got it

[twin geyser]

what about the tidat pretzel around ngc 5906?

im not sure if u could fit m102 in the frame of it as well

[night patio]

not sure. may just try to frame m101 well since I havent done it

galaxy season just sucks for widefeild enjoyers

[twin geyser]

facts.. its either go for a group or look for some area with loads of dark neb

[night patio]

May do m101 then get some actually ok nb data of Veil

[twin geyser]

Sounds Like a plan

[night patio]

@twin geyser peep this and lmk how it looks?

[rocky frigate]

nooo

[night patio]

Things are kinda cooked if flats caused the issues

Itd put me back to ground zero and I personally dont wanna be there again for m51

[rocky frigate]

yeah i red everything sad tho

[night patio]

Lmao fr but thats the pains of AP sometimes

[rocky frigate]

lol yeah, at least u took almost 15 hours ig?

most i did was 2 and it was trash lol

[night patio]

Close to

[twin geyser]

I will First Thing tomorrow

[rocky frigate]

PLS DONT KILL THIS PROJECT PLSS I NEED MOREE

sharpened a bit

[night patio]

Itll look poor though 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[rocky frigate]

ikik but plsss

i dont get much data just eventually and i ge bored easily loll

[night patio]

I won't waste precious imaging time 😭

I need to maximize efforts

[rocky frigate]

😭

[night patio]

Sorry kay maybe Ill have some m101 data tonight 😭

[rocky frigate]

npp i'm just joking with u my man

[night patio]

@rocky frigate @twin geyser after consulting with some other folks, we may be ok

I will resume imaging for now

[night patio]

@wide charm sorry for the Rollercoaster, but you can process it if you wanna we figured out the issues.

We really think its just a lack of data/bge not being nice

[night patio]

@rocky frigate got about another 2.5ish hours of data

[wide charm]

data's fine imo. like you said just need more of it....

[night patio]

Ty lol. Am getting more when I can each night

[night patio]

11.5h done

[twin geyser]

thats good

i dont want to be the reason u stop imaging this xd

nontheless i did take a look at the stack... left is without msgr, right is with msgr and abe. Its a very unrealistic depiction as i have run a very strong nx on the data and did a very strong stretch. The rings didnt look to strong in the oother stacks as well tho, so id say its very fixable inn post

[night patio]

Always crop before doing bge

And yes heavy denoise will do weird things ti bg's

[twin geyser]

Indeed

[rocky frigate]

Uga Uga where?

[rocky frigate]

Ugaa

[rocky frigate]

Bad process loll

[twin geyser]

A Bit extreme but noice colors

[rocky frigate]

yeah i killed with the colors lol

it was the second process of the day and the colors are way more linearly saturated than in the previous datas

[vale burrow]

[night patio]

Yeah definetly not your best work

Im gonna try the stack again but this time in pixinsight. It usually yields better results

[rocky frigate]

yeah man i had just woke up lolll

[night patio]

Use the BlurX'd version if you can

Cleans up the stars nicer since you dont use a starmask

[night patio]

@rocky frigate gonna be a minute before we get more data

Too cloudy for weeks

[rocky frigate]

ahhh

sad

[rocky frigate]

i'll retry later or tomorrow prob

[night patio]

Oh nice! Im probably gonna work on it today cause there's an event imma submit to for a group im in

[night patio]

@rocky frigate process it

If you want to

[rocky frigate]

I dont

[rocky frigate]

But I will

Just still can't now

[storm flint]

amazing , this shows how bad my processing is XD

[rocky frigate]

loll man everyone starts somewhere

you'll get me someday

i started quite a long time ago so it might take time

[night patio]

@rocky frigate 2x drizzle