Should i upgrade my telescope or buy the Seestar s30 or the seestar s50 ?

[obtuse vapor]

at the moment i have a newtonian alt-z (focal lenght 900 and 114 diameter) and i remember someone telling me that newtonian is not the best telescope for DSO photography (i also dont have a goto mount) i never tried doing DSO with my telescope because of the mount, where i live the goto mounts are expensive and in reality the telescope i have is relatively cheap (i found a similar one for 259 dollars on ebay)

i was thinking of investing more money into the hobby by buying a new telescope or a goto mount and i found the Seestars, a telescope that would track whatever i wanted to see or photograph for 500 dollars, but i dont know wich one to choose because de s30 seems to have more of a wide view and the s50 more "zoom" into some DSOs and would crop a bit of it, would you guys recommend me upgrade my telecope or buying one of the Seestar telescopes ?

(the telescope i have is similar to the one in the image)

[obtuse whale]

Have used the one in the picture, can confirm it is not fun and the mount is absolutely horrible
Seestars really offer unbeatable value (unless you find insane second-hand deals) and in that price range is pretty much the only option for semi-serious imaging
As for the S30 vs S50 debate, it really depends on your needs/wants; common criticism for S50 is that a lot of the popular DSOs are kind of "cut off" because the long-ish focal length, and this respect the S30 does have an advantage. S30 kinda sucks for planetary though (S50 isn't great either but is more workable)
I recommend watching this comparison video by Nico from Nebula photos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fkUAUVrL9o&t=1018s
Another option would be to get a star tracker but at your budget you would have to have a DSLR/lenses already and if you will quickly go way overbudget

[obtuse vapor]

i have a couple of lenses and a canon t3i (not the best but could work), but the quality on the s30 is the same as in the s50 ? like its the same sensor ?

[mystic silo]

If you have the budget get a setup directly

Im not saying seestar is a hobby killer but you will want to change very fast

[dark granite]

Befote you get this, get an S30 or S50 [i personally own an S30]. Youll be way happier

Or if you want a scope for pure visual, maybe look into a Dobsonian

[obtuse vapor]

The budget would be around 500 dollars

[obtuse vapor]

You think that the S30 is better than the S50 ? What are your thoughts and opinions on owning the S30 ?

[dark granite]

Cant tell ya if its better as i dont own a S50. Its definatley more compact tho so thats a plus. You do probably wanna get a Tripod for it tho since the included one doesnt allow for EQ mounting [if you wanna do astrophotography]

Personally im in love with the S30, for 400 bucks [price i paid] its so easy to use. Just put it down, turn it on, connect and tell it what to do, all via your Phone. Great to get into the hobby [or in my case get BACK into it] and completely foolproof

[mystic silo]

Okay well get one of the seestars

and get an EQ thing

if you can

to do longer exposures

[dark granite]

Dont even need a specific EQ wedge or anything. I use a ballhead Camera Tripod

And if he doesnt wanna do AP, he doesnt need one at all honestly

[mystic silo]

Why would you buy a seestar for not doing ap ?

this thing is made for astrophotography😭😭

[dark granite]

Well, yesnt. Of course it does AP, but i know people who just use it to look at stuff and dont process their Images or anything, basically just using it as a visual telescope

[mystic silo]

Well that's really dumb cause you can do visual with a cheaper dobsonian and you'll see much more details

I think if you get a seestar its because you cant afford a full setup

and the seestar has everything included

the seestar is MADE for ap and not visual

[dark granite]

Hey man, i use it for AP too, just saying you can. And even without a Tripod for EQ i got some great Images

[mystic silo]

Yeah I've never said the contrary, I said that he could buy an EQ wedge to take longer exposures

[dark granite]

Yea, but if hes already on a tight budget, im saying its not needed

[mystic silo]

his budget is 500 dollars, he can get an s30 with an EQ wedge

[dark granite]

Depends. S30s in my country usually run you 450-500 bucks

[mystic silo]

an EQ wedge is like 50 bucks

[dark granite]

Ok, also gonns need a Tripod

[mystic silo]

10 bucks or less😭😭its not a quatttro 300p we're talking about

I had a seestar before and I can tell you that it fits almost everywhere

[dark granite]

Idk who your dealer is but id love to meet him. I got my tripod USED for 30 bucks.

[mystic silo]

@obtuse vapor https://dwarflab.com/products/dwarf-2-smart-telescope

this thing is better anyway

[mystic silo]

which one do you have ?

[dark granite]

Its a cullman of some kind

[dark granite]

Not from what ive heard

[mystic silo]

it's really good, I wish I've had it instead of my s50

[dark granite]

Well ok, better than the S50 maybe, but the S30?

[mystic silo]

brother... the s50 to the s30 is NOT an upgrade, it has a smaller aperture...

[dark granite]

Its also less zoomed in, is more compact, cheaper, Has a secondary wide angle scope and a better Sun Filter [attachment wise]

[mystic silo]

the s50 and the s30 are the same thing anyways, the dwarf 2 is better than both

not to mention the s30 sensor...

even my guidescope has more aperture than an S30

[dark granite]

The S30 is completely fine and ive gotten great pictures with it. Plus its usually the cheapest option

[mystic silo]

Yeah I haven't said you didnt, I said the dwarf 2 is better and cheaper

[dark granite]

In what ways is it better?

[wicked lantern]

dwarf 3 is better

[mystic silo]

portability and cheaper

[lusty anchor]

Seestar s50 is overall the best smart telescopes (as a spart telescope hater)

[mystic silo]

nah dwarf 3

[lusty anchor]

https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1358858641196712138

Im js saying

@untold basalt

[mystic silo]

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[dark granite]

Its a small Smartscope. You think the Dwarf series would be much better?

[normal patio]

The Dwarf III is pretty good, but you can’t go wrong with any of the choices (S30, S50 and DIII)

[mystic silo]

CLIPPED !!!!

said a good thing about a zwo product

[dark granite]

Seestars are probably the only ZWO products that are worth it

[normal patio]

If the seestar was any more expensive no one in the target audience would buy it

[dark granite]

but it isnt, so its actually worth it lol

[obtuse vapor]

The dwarf III seems interesting but there is a problem, the only way of me to buy it would be to import it and in my country the import tax would be 60% the price of the telescope so it would be over the budget

[frigid cedar]

Bird Jones 🦭

[sonic flax]

NO

this is the worst of all the smart scopes i have it

it's cheap af for a reason

i only reccomend it if you cannot push the budget past $300

for s30 vs s50, the s30 is better

s50 does get more detail since it has more aperture and focal length but the s30 has more features and better technology i think

[obtuse vapor]

but which one would you recommend more for DSOs ?

[sonic flax]

both are for dsos

[obtuse vapor]

yes but the S50 crops the image more, the S30 has more of a wide view

[sonic flax]

exactly so it depends what you want

do you want to image bigger objects and have more features, get the s30