Polls 5.0

[rain void]

At least with a very big warning label!

[cerulean elm]

And when they do, people complain that they bad.
Can't satisfy everyone

[lofty jetty]

If we had laws/regulations for every single product to make sure people don’t get scammed, imagine the insane number of regulations we would have

Yes, it would be nice if people were warned, but they have to do their own due diligence

[delicate lance]

i understand that but your logic isnt very sound on that argument

"if people want to buy it, let them buy it" is not a proper argument to justify a bad product's existance.

[cold moon]

It is, if the manufacturer states that the mirror is spherical then there is no point in banning the product. What if I want a spherical mirror?

[delicate lance]

Well taking the full context into account yeah, that makes sense

but the argument he put doesnt.

[lofty jetty]

Rubolo and I agree on the same thing but are arguing two different points

[delicate lance]

yea i understand

im not fighting your opnion but your argument lol

[lofty jetty]

[lofty jetty]

Who determines what is a bad product? The government? We all know just how bad the government is at making decisions

[brisk copper]

what would you ever need a spheiricle mirror for

[delicate lance]

dude

[lofty jetty]

And eventually, you start getting laws that kick small business owners out of the market because they don't fit the quota for a good product, even when they DO make a good product

They just can't afford to fit what the government considers a "good product"

[delicate lance]

never did i state nor imply the government decides this

[lofty jetty]

Again, the idea sounds great in principle but actually implementing it wouldn't work

[delicate lance]

i am just saying your argument isnt sound because "if people want to buy it, let them buy it" does not justify a product being purchaseable such as a drug.

youre reading way too far into what i am saying 😭

[lofty jetty]

Note, I specified "dangerous" things earlier

Drugs, weapons, alcohol, etc, all of those are dangerous and harmful and are worth regulating

[delicate lance]

lets take the astronomical example of a powerseeker

[lofty jetty]

But not a spherical mirror 😭

[lofty jetty]

Then who does?

[delicate lance]

dude for like tzhe 573th time im not fighting your damn opinion which i agree with

im fighting the argument of "if they want to buy it, let them buy it"

[lofty jetty]

😭

[lofty jetty]

I already clarified this earlier

So what are we arguing about

[delicate lance]

the argument not being sound

thats all i said and you went supporting the opinion i literally agree with 🗿

[lofty jetty]

[delicate lance]

telescope building

the hadley literally uses a 114mm spherical mirror

[cold moon]

Hey hey slow down, that one IS dangerous.

[cold moon]

That isn't the point though

[brisk copper]

i think manufacturers should list if the mirror is spherical, parabolic, prolate spheroid or oblate spheroid and hyperbolic or just flat for every mirror and if people ignore it they get what they deserve

[brisk copper]

i knows

[delicate lance]

manufacturers should just stop making stupid products like the SPHERICAL F/4 8"

[lofty jetty]

Which one? If people want to buy it, let them buy it?
Well then yeah, let them buy it (for the same reasons rubolo mentioned) but regulate dangerous/harmful things
Anyway I gotta go

[brisk copper]

nuh uh

what if i wanna make my own corrected optics with an 8" f4 spherical

[lofty jetty]

In a perfect world, they wouldn't, but i think everyone should be allowed to make and sell what they want (again, not harmful)

[brisk copper]

i think there should be more scopes sold with oblate spheroid mirrors

[delicate lance]

im not even saying that they shouldnt

[brisk copper]

...

[brisk copper]

...

[lofty jetty]

..... you just did

[delicate lance]

should isnt the same as being allowed to

my GODF

[brisk copper]

god (f)

[delicate lance]

we all can agree that the powerseeker shouldnt be sold as something a beginner should use

NOWHERE did i EVER state that it should be DISALLOWED

theres a lot of things that shouldnt be done but are allowed to, theres a strong boundary

[brisk copper]

stip the gaslighting :(

[lofty jetty]

[restive fiber]

Small margins

[delicate lance]

Why is it so hard for you to seperate "should" from "allowed"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[brisk copper]

the implications :3c

[cold moon]

I don't agree, I use them as garbage bins so I need Celestron to keep selling them

[delicate lance]

okay bro if you read "allowed" from "should" you got your own issues 🤦🏼

[delicate lance]

theyre professional garbage bins

[brisk copper]

weeel if im allowed to do something i should do it

[lofty jetty]

[past maple]

Looks like a unanimous no

[restive fiber]

oh

[lofty jetty]

@restive fiber getting your alt to vote on your poll is wild work

[lofty jetty]

You literally did

You voted on the poll

[delicate lance]

I voted no 🗿

At least I think so

[brisk copper]

you changed your vote then

[delicate lance]

🥀

[delicate lance]

So yeah I don’t know what your point is here

[brisk copper]

i cant belive u changed ur vote making marc use his alt to reach eqalibrium

[delicate lance]

Dude I voted yes when it was initially posted and swapped then after thinks about for 2 seconds

And even if not I still didn’t state that 🗿

[brisk copper]

do you feel enraged and baited yet?

[delicate lance]

Him responding now is him realising I never did and trying to find a reason why that couldve been interpreted

[delicate lance]

I’ve grown immune from flat earthers

[brisk copper]

im not a fkat earerther?!

im a purple earther

[delicate lance]

I mean because they’re horribly stupid and you constantly pray they’re just ragebaiting

[brisk copper]

reals

[brisk copper]

earth is clearly purple

people have just grown blind to it

[restive fiber]

Duh

[low lance]

And those would affect you how exactly it's not like they are for you your daily lifr wouldn't even change

[low lance]

So you intentionally want to get scammed alright then send me 50 bucks

[cold moon]

Re-read my statement, it's quite easy to understand.

Banning a product because it's "bad" (completely subjective statement btw) is insanely wrong. I'll ask again, what if I want a spherical mirror?

[low lance]

Regulations are more catered to those who have no clue what they are doing which surprisingly is majority of people just because you and i know the downsides of a spherical mirror doesn't mean some newbie is going to as well

[lofty jetty]

It will affect everyone
Who sets what is considered legal to sell?

#1379949653990309978 message

[low lance]

But why would you want a spherical mirror also a bad product is anything that is below quality something that is unusable or dangerous to use (this one doesn't required a straight up ban more so training)

[low lance]

Explain how it will affect everything

[lofty jetty]

"Why would you want this" is not a good argument to ban a product if it is not dangerous

[lofty jetty]

If the government bans a telescope because it is unusable in its current state, the government will move on to banning other things as well
Pretty soon, you cannot buy things that might work for your specific use case (for whatever reason) just because some newbies can't do their due diligence and research a product

[low lance]

Yeah it is let's say you bought a telescope you expected a sharp good quality mirror but what you get is a trash quality terrible stars and lots of aberration wouldn't you be mad

[lofty jetty]

Yeah, but you don't need to set a law against selling products like that

We do NOT need laws that are subjective like that

What is considered bad?

[low lance]

It is literally useless there are no pros to a spherical mirror

[lofty jetty]

So we just ban manufacture of that?

[low lance]

Something that doesn't have any benifts whatsoever

[lofty jetty]

What if someone finds a benefit?

"i don't think this has any use so why not just ban it because of that"

[low lance]

Find a benift for a spherical mirror

[low lance]

It's i think its i did research on this and this product has no uses and is terrible so let's ban it

[lofty jetty]

Car mirrors

[brisk copper]

theres so many wtf

mirrored nicroscope objectives use spherical mirrors :/

[low lance]

Car mirrors? What those dont even have a curve to bend light they are flat

[brisk copper]

tfym

they are convex

[lofty jetty]

terrible is subjective

"No uses" can change in the future

And doing "research" on this is not enough to put several companies out of business

[brisk copper]

what if someone releases a corrector for spherical scopes

maybe i will make a corrector for spherical scopes and sell it

[lofty jetty]

I mean damn, it's hard enough to get into business

There is no need to make it harder

"you can't sell this, you can't sell that"

[brisk copper]

you forgot to do single (unimportant) thing which makes it illegal to sell this

[low lance]

No they are not.... what they are since when

[lofty jetty]

blind spot mirrors

[brisk copper]

wha

[lofty jetty]

i think

[brisk copper]

all of the cars ive seen have curved mirrors

[brisk copper]

those defo are

[low lance]

They aren't spherical because they use these shapes which yk doesn't look like a circle to me

[delicate lance]

those are spherical

or a cutout of a convex sphere anyway

[low lance]

Right yeah i forgot spherical doesn't literally mean the shape of the mirror

[delicate lance]

🗿

ah yes, JWST, with the hexagonal primary

[low lance]

Yeah

[restive fiber]

Wow, what a mine field

[brisk copper]

buh

[brisk copper]

how forget

[low lance]

Yeah ik ik

[cerulean elm]

That's not comparable 🤣

[brisk copper]

it is!!

[cerulean elm]

21 mirrors are comparabile?

[brisk copper]

magic

they talking about how the shape isnt actually the shape

[cold moon]

Literally this.

The government absolutely should NOT participate in the market like that.

[cold moon]

That is just wrong.

A 6" F/8, for example, can be spherical.

And a lot of optical designs use spherical mirrors, spherical mirrors are also cheaper

[brisk copper]

if its f8 you can easily correct and speed up to f6 too

[cold moon]

You should research a product before buying it, sorry but that argument is just terrible.

[brisk copper]

they get what they deserve :3

[low lance]

The poll specifically saif without corrector optics

[cold moon]

I guess

[brisk copper]

spherical optics are quite easy to correct for

[cold moon]

Flash news: newtonians are also often sold without a coma corrector...

[brisk copper]

just not with a single barlow lens 😭

[cold moon]

What if I want to buy the corrector elsewhere? Why should it be included?

[brisk copper]

half of them arent usable without corrector optics too :3

[cold moon]

Yes but what I'm saying is that some optical designs don't require refractive elements to correct, they just use another mirror

[cold moon]

I could just be using a cheap Newtonian to source the mirrors

[low lance]

Yeah but it's not unsable and the thing about spherical aberration is that it's unique to each telescope unlike coma so you can't just walk into a store and buy a spherical aberration corrector it needs to be made specifically for that telescope and you cant use it with any other telescope

[brisk copper]

ohhh yea

you sadly cant use 2 spherical mirrors to correct

[cold moon]

This is also true for coma correctors... There's a range of usable F ratios, the same applies to spherical mirrors

[brisk copper]

concave + convex sphericals is wors than just a primary

[low lance]

It's not unsable as in the coma doesn't cover ths entire fov

[brisk copper]

buut and a lil silly shaped secondary and the problem is fixed

[cold moon]

Yes, that's an SCT btw, plus the Schimdt plate of course

[brisk copper]

i knows

[cold moon]

The only place in the field that isn't affected by coma is the centre, but ok

[low lance]

No i literally mean its unique to each telescope not each f ratio not each fl or fov it's literally unique to the mirror and that single mirror

[low lance]

Thats what i meant

[cold moon]

That's not true though

[low lance]

It is look it up

[brisk copper]

unless ur mrror is fked up you shouldnt have an issue

[low lance]

Why do you think there are no mass produced corrector optics

Because manufacturers are lazy or sum

[cold moon]

Because at that point you just buy a parabolic mirror... There isn't a market for that

[brisk copper]

spherical issues are unique to lenses due to many elements but for a mirror its different

[cold moon]

Spherical aberration is harder to correct with a refractive element, I wouldn't be surprised if it would cost more than parabolic + CC

Still, zero reason for the government to be involved, especially because we all know how competent they would be at determining what is "unusable"...

[low lance]

No two mirrors are polished exactly the same

[cold moon]

AI being wrong? Not surprised

Those insanely small variations also exist on a parabolic mirror

Not relevant, if the deviations are so big then the mirror is just figured incorrectly, that's a different issue

Spherical aberration is also a mathematical certainty...

If you polish a PERFECT spherical mirror, it's still gonna have spherical aberration

Exactly how a PERFECT parabolic mirror would still show coma

[brisk copper]

brooo that means its the same for coma correctors

also STOP USING AI

[brisk copper]

thats a problem for any mirror

[low lance]

Never

Also i didn't hear spherical aberration are unique to each telescope from ai I'm pretty sure astrobiscuit said sum about it or maybe it was another youtuber

[summer turret]

Artificially intelligent mfer

[restive fiber]

Oh my

[brisk copper]

its nine point one one

[brisk copper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3fYiLXVfPa4

[swift heart]

damn, I didn't realize I was wearing vintage German equatorial mounts every day.

[restive fiber]

yeet

[late summit]

what the hell did i just read

what happened to a free market

some of y'all need to use chatgpt less, it's frying your braincells

[brisk copper]

this tbh

do you also enjoy wearing german eq mounts

[late summit]

i was talking about the making it illegal to sell [insert thing here] convo

[brisk copper]

i didnt see that

oh wair

[late summit]

you were part of the convo

[brisk copper]

i did

[late summit]

ye

granted you were on the right side of the convo

[brisk copper]

i mayyy be lightly forgetful

[brisk copper]

[marble hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-jarvis-iron-man-unsure-gif-758258540099951503

[tiny lintel]

Real telescopes come with corrective optics.
If it doesnt come with it, its too cheap.

[cerulean elm]

Astrographs are at a different level of unobtanium

[delicate lance]

ah yes the dall-kirkham, the nontelescope

[brisk copper]

??

[delicate lance]

a regular dall-kirkham has residual spherical abberation so it would theoretically fall under that

and because it has a spherical secondary

[brisk copper]

ha

(was meaning the non tellerscope part btw)

[delicate lance]

which is why corrected dall kirkhams exist and correctors for uncorrected dall kirkhams

[cerulean elm]

Real telescopes don't need disgusting lens corrective optics. TMAs are the kings of the food chain

[urban quiver]

I teach economics and the conversation hurt 😔

[tiny lintel]

until you realise mirrors are literally corrective optics..

[tiny lintel]

BB targets....

[fallen obsidian]

vro

[tiny lintel]

the truth is sometimes painful to hear

[fallen obsidian]

ofc im gonna get broadband, but I like galaxys in ha, its makes them pop, and they can have some cool narrowband features

[tiny lintel]

oh, BB didnt stand for that 😅

[fallen obsidian]

whats bb stand for

[tiny lintel]

||basic bit*h targets...||

like if it starts with an M
...
make it at least an NGC

[fallen obsidian]

i just got my ragdoll and other gear, so I want to start with more common and brighter targets

youll be glad to hear that im shooting a very non bb target with tea rn

[fallen obsidian]

abell 13

[zealous cloak]

Also lux: let me put 100h into a broadband only m31

Or was it hargb

Cant remember

[tiny lintel]

Its triple digits

BB would be double digits

[brisk copper]

m101

[brisk copper]

theres no such thing as a bb target or an nb target

[brisk copper]

ah

thank onions

[desert obsidian]

Some customers came to the astro shop I work at and was verifying everything we were saying with chatgpt

[marble hearth]

You work at an astro shop?? I'm jealousss

[brisk copper]

asking ai what the ai said, aiception

[cold moon]

Don't insult Jarvis like that

[swift heart]

um akshually
Dall–Kirkhams have no spherical aberration, they just have massive coma

If you take the corrector out of a CDK it may have spherical aberration, but the Dall–Kirkham design as-is nulls spherical aberration completely

[cerulean elm]

Yes, but the mirrors are sexy.
Lenses are nasty.

[low lance]

What is your guiding accuracy

[delicate lance]

Oh I did not know that

[fallen obsidian]

Don’t have guiding yet

[low lance]

What

You need guiding if you are going to use a harmonic

Even a worm gear would struggle without one

[fallen obsidian]

My guide can arrived yesterday and I’m in Philly for squash so I can’t yet

[strong hatch]

waw

[silver holly]

Stellarvue

[strong hatch]

[summer turret]

bad/mid pc is workable at least. mount having issues sucks bc you straight up just cant image properly

[cerulean elm]

You can run you rig with a beat up miniPC held together with spit and chewing gum. But if the mount can't track properly, then that's even worse

[woeful ivy]

as a gamer i pick bottom

[fallen obsidian]

I’m with Mac, but it’s fine it works

[delicate lance]

damn..

[strong hatch]

how sharp actually is the maj

also the mak is f10

while rc is f8

[delicate lance]

the mak is hypothetical

just a really high end maksutov

[strong hatch]

https://youtu.be/ibnhcH8ZTn4 sharp mak in question

[delicate lance]

not svbony

[strong hatch]

(obv im joking)

[delicate lance]

grr

[strong hatch]

also, he over kitted that mak so much

could even make it usable

[strong hatch]

also, the sv127 is insanely sharp

you do have to use it with the focal reducer tho

[swift heart]

You know the answer already.

[fallen obsidian]

dont want to deal with the extra weight and ca of a mak, also they are slower

we also have an rc thread here that would help you if you had an issue

[cedar dome]

Svbonr

[fallen obsidian]

welp

[marble hearth]

Btw at 65.5N you cant image in the summer ^

[mint talon]

define mostly

70%? 90%? 99.88898%?

[woeful ivy]

i know

and thats exactly why i included the coordnate

[runic tree]

like 4 days a month

[woeful ivy]

tbh in summer theres lotta clear sky but in winter apperently sky is mostly cloudy as in 1 out of 6 or week of days is clear

or that

[strong hatch]

ONLY 4 DAYS??!?!!

AHAHAHH

[runic tree]

thats nothing for me lol

[strong hatch]

it was completely clouded over for over a month

was so bad i resorted to shooting through the clouds

[runic tree]

lmaoo

zarkov cloud gun

[strong hatch]

frrrr

[ivory mural]

only a month?

[strong hatch]

well yea, there were like 30 min periods of clear

and that 3hr clear

without them it would have been clouded over for 4 months

[mint talon]

damn

[cerulean elm]

I'm at 53°N and night during summer is non-existent.
The lucky part about being this far north are the really long winter nights (Mostly cloudy)

[plucky vigil]

Poll but not a poll but still a poll

What should i add to Nova?

Specifically, to make it more fun. And things that are not insanely complicated.

[dreamy cloak]

Whats Nova?

[plucky vigil]

#1412439465158381608 message the astrophotography game I’m making

[strong hatch]

add galaxy generation

you can use the math to create a spiral galaxy

[low lance]

What is it

Oh its altitude

[low lance]

Idk what you mean i get a full 6hr night at summer and I'm just a little bit south than your 53N I'm at 49N

Damn 4° of altitude change and that 6hr drops to 3hrs goddamn

[strong hatch]

only twilight too

[cerulean elm]

Mmmmm yes. 6h of night

That was the darkest point of the night

[low lance]

Yeah like i said 4° of altitude change reduces the darkness from my 6hr to just 3hr

[marble hearth]

57N here, my last astro dark night is in may ish

[cerulean elm]

Yes. Betwen May and August, there's no astrodark

[low lance]

Damn that sucks

[tribal coral]

Im on the same boat at 52°N

[woeful rose]

ill meet in the middle at 51

[dreamy cloak]

Same

[marble hearth]

bro is basically at the equator

[cerulean elm]

I can do that

I did it before with someone from this server

[woeful rose]

whut?

[cerulean elm]

Joking around about meeting somewhere to do astrophotography, and in the next weekend we actually did just that🤣

[woeful rose]

Oh thats peak!!!!

i need that Xd

[cerulean elm]

It's quite fun ngl. Spending time in person with people who understand the hobby

Ignore the gun part💀

[woeful rose]

yeah not a whole lot of ppl in the area

[woeful rose]

gun? XD

[cerulean elm]

What area?

[cerulean elm]

Don't worry about it

[woeful rose]

Around Breda here

[woeful rose]

Hmmm alr

[cerulean elm]

4h away from me😭

[woeful rose]

2 hours if we meet in the middle

[cerulean elm]

Truuuu

@dreamy cloak You down bro?

[woeful rose]

Not bad for a night of AP i guess

Drive 2 hours only to have cloudy skies Xd

[fallen obsidian]

41n here, I get like 7 hrs in summer

[dreamy cloak]

Cant read this now, remember me later 😅

[cerulean elm]

It takes a bit of planning, and most importantly readiness.

[cerulean elm]

Aye aye

[marble hearth]

That's so far down south ur basically in Antarctica

[woeful rose]

am ready ish

[cerulean elm]

Me too, I got my creatine and pre-workout ready. I'm about to suffer

[woeful rose]

I need some too. I need to generate power for my rig

[dreamy cloak]

Depending on where that would be i'm down

No way id Pack my RC for that tho
Maybe i'll get my 533 connected to the roki 🤔

[vagrant basin]

Can't think of anymore

[woeful rose]

Cant vote multiple :/

[vagrant basin]

Oh yeah

[fallen obsidian]

top one is basiclly me

[delicate lance]

progress on O-I (ignore dust spot pls)

[delicate lance]

also, ill be getting more of either anyway. just asking what to do next

[violet hinge]

How about all of the above

[cedar dome]

For context i am using my C8 without a dew shield on an EQ6R Pro with 4Mph winds

[summer turret]

youll be fine

[cedar dome]

1.5 guiding average so far

[summer turret]

workable

[cedar dome]

It spikes every now and then, I’ll be able to get a decent amount of data to add to my project though

[delicate lance]

(this is for which comes first, ill get the other afterwards)

[strong hatch]

hey, im tryna get S-iii ig that means we have to work together at some point

[delicate lance]

Oh lol

[strong hatch]

[strong hatch]

i can then do HOS and people wont be able to complain

[strong hatch]

im wrong sorry

shiiit

im getting something else mb

[delicate lance]

Which

[strong hatch]

N-iii

[tribal coral]

there should be a option for "yes, but i cant see it"

[marble hearth]

im not only gonna get clouds, but also the entire planet Earth between my eyes and the moon during the eclipse

ts could not be any further away from denmark 🥀

[marble hearth]

guidecam costs like $100, mono stuff >$500. get guiding in place 1st 🙏

[tribal coral]

not even a early morning view is disappointing

[desert obsidian]

Option 8

[summer turret]

Completely depends what youre after tbh

[marble hearth]

In what situation would u need less res and more noise?

Just bin ur higher res lower noise cam

[dreamy cloak]

Well its Not really that but that the SWIR has much better QE in the Infrared
I think they Go Up to 1900nm?

So using one could be p fun

[marble hearth]

Ahhh yeah okay in that case sure

[dreamy cloak]

This one was for example taken with an comparable camera

[marble hearth]

Holy that's a lotta stars in the core

[devout tinsel]

Swir is like zwo990/991?

[tribal coral]

yup

[delicate lance]

yes

InGaAs Sensor to be precise

[delicate lance]

Oooo which

[delicate lance]

SWIR stands for short wave infrared

Most SWIR cameras have great QE between 900 - 1800

While some have range from 400 up to 2400

[dreamy cloak]

A QHY 992 and a 1200-1700nm Filter (Not my Pic, ive downloaded it from their Website when i was researching the camera a while ago )

[delicate lance]

Where’d you find that?

I really want one of those but me no afford

[dreamy cloak]

On the QHY-website

[dreamy cloak]

Same

[cerulean elm]

Get priorities right. Astrophotography is a hobby not something that puts food on the table

[obsidian plover]

Alg II isn't gon a put food on the table either

[woeful rose]

But it’s the fun part of life.

[cerulean elm]

Wait... isn't Alg II Bürgergeld?

[woeful rose]

burger money?

[cerulean elm]

Financial help

[marble hearth]

Financial help is burger money >:)

[swift heart]

In Bortle 9: the SWIR cam, especially with an RC

[leaden copper]

ur 3hr of flaming star is probably better than my 25hrs

m81 flashbacks

[mossy mason]

The broadband? idk this is what one sub looked like

[leaden copper]

holy shit

yeah i could see nothing in any single sub

[mossy mason]

And this was 4h in duo narrowband

[leaden copper]

no flats? whats that ball

im accumulating nb time, should be forgiving because 3nm

but man broadband is brutal i cannot imagine bortle 9

thats wrong i used to live in bortle 8, also sucks

[mossy mason]

That ball is a halo from my cheap filter. I always take flats for narrowband.

[leaden copper]

ahh

hope i dont get that

i had haloes on my svbony 7nm filter, i switched to 3nm but havent tested haloes

[mossy mason]

This is what it looks like with no flat xD

[leaden copper]

the clear night is calling my name

[strong hatch]

vignette

[mossy mason]

flaming star it is

[violet hinge]

45m duo narrowband

Im imaging it for more hours tmmrw night

Depending on how long it stays away from trees. I might be able to move a ways way from my house to set up

[rain void]

Duo narrowband mono?

[violet hinge]

I killed the color cause it looked awful

Its just a test for me anyways

[plucky vigil]

Public enemy number 1

[fallen obsidian]

[summer turret]

bash em (?)

[strong hatch]

potentially(?)

[fallen obsidian]

Ok, i thought me an waflf were not enemy’s

[cedar dome]

possibly(?)

[lofty jetty]

Not necessarily a friend because we don’t know each other well enough yet but better than mildly positive

[fallen obsidian]

corrie(?)

[leaden copper]

just for the love of the game

[fallen obsidian]

lol

[fallen obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-gif-5387473523077203425

[urban quiver]

My club sent my images in the monthly newsletter, and my images will be in an art gallery If that counts for anything.

[plucky vigil]

Cool!

[uneven shore]

Nomitation lmao

[plucky vigil]

Faaarrrrk ahahaha

[uneven shore]

I mean some people have bought my Astro does that count?

It was a pick (just not from a selected panel of judges)

[plucky vigil]

Yeah it counts as the first option

[uneven shore]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-4chan-reddit-gif-12469709983918782970

Literally a fully grown man talking to a minor btw

[devout tinsel]

My photos were at a huge astrophotography exhibition Irl

[uneven shore]

My photos will make art express (don’t ping me when I’m wrong)

[plucky vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/seoho-oneus-seoho-oneus-seoho-stepping-on-you-seoho-stepping-on-your-face-gif-26718286

[plucky vigil]

@ me when they’re in the William Wilkins collection

[plucky vigil]

W

[uneven shore]

We’ll see

Praying

[plucky vigil]

Have u fixed ur guiding yet

Like, focused it

[uneven shore]

Clouds and busy with birthday stuff

[plucky vigil]

Fair fair

[uneven shore]

No time yet

[plucky vigil]

Do it on a cloudy day lol, focus on neighbours roof

[devout tinsel]

Found videos from exhibition, but discord don't sending it

[plucky vigil]

Cool!!

Where are you from?

[devout tinsel]

Russia, Moscow. But the exhibition was in Arkhangelsk

Video from my friend there, because I'm about 1000km away from Arkhangelsk

[plucky vigil]

Sick!

Damn I’ve always wanted to go to Moscow

Don’t know if I’ll be able to tho :/

[devout tinsel]

Moscow is a beautiful city! I really hope you can come here someday!

||And if know the right places, the city becomes even more beautiful

This is a rooftop in the center of the city, with an incredible view||

[sharp storm]

++

[devout tinsel]

@sharp storm ))

[sharp storm]

yep, i can see my photos there too

[tiny lintel]

I got a girl

[plucky vigil]

Same brother, we won

[lofty jetty]

It's a beautiful city

[plucky vigil]

Definitely

[tribal coral]

I always liked the skyline although I've never been there

[uneven shore]

Talking to foids distracts.uou from the grind (satire btw)

[plucky vigil]

I have no idea what this means lol

[uneven shore]

Unc

[strong hatch]

buh

i dislike you

[strong hatch]

[fallen obsidian]

Prob just a made up word never heard it until now

[strong hatch]

yea, it was made by 4channers

[fallen obsidian]

Never met 4channers

[strong hatch]

you dont want to

[fallen obsidian]

People on 4 chan sound like geeky sweaty nerds who don’t shower and smell

[strong hatch]

they arent nerds

[marble hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-reddit-discord-4chan-tuff-gif-9977672090849066162

[plucky vigil]

Ain’t no way foid is a common word tf, also you can’t blame me for not understanding ‘distracts.uou’ bruh

[uneven shore]

Times have changed calm down

[plucky vigil]

Unc

[strong hatch]

it isnt common but it still makes me cringe a bit

[tidal tundra]

Can’t choose multiple

Imo iotd should be above apod

[plucky vigil]

Nahhh nah

NASA > astrobin despite how they pick them

[tidal tundra]

Maybe for your family and such, but not for people who know

[summer turret]

what colour is this

[obsidian plover]

that is disgusting

[marble hearth]

Subtle neon lime, so both

[cold moon]

That is yellow.

[cold moon]

🟨

[bronze minnow]

its neither

it's too yellow to be green but too green to be yellow

[reef viper]

GEEN

[leaden copper]

nope, exactly yellow

i fear the color calibration of those who think its green

[obsidian plover]

Sir, that is green

[cold moon]

Calibrate your monitors (or eyes) folks

[woeful ivy]

wait bruh its not off topic

[woeful ivy]

that memu reminds me of this

[delicate lance]

chernobyl yellow

[glacial bear]

Spherical Newt, every single F-in time 😁

[delicate lance]

id take the achromat imma be honest

ill turn it into a solar scope

[cold moon]

F/3 spherical newt is literally unusable 😭

Approximate (measured using my shitty simulator) spot size at 0° from the axis is 220 microns 💀

[cold moon]

(With a 10")

360 micron at the corner of a 533

[cold moon]

That should be around 0.6° from the axis

[summer turret]

Slavery.

[strong hatch]

guy is using me

[summer turret]

Gottem

[delicate lance]

ok issues with all of them:

1. F/15 Dall-Kirkham - Intense Coma
2. F/8 Corrected Dall-Kirkham - Expensive
3. Classic-Cassegrain - Basic
4. Cassegrain-Newtonian - One mode will suck and the other thrives or they will both be okay-ish.

[cerulean elm]

Prime focus Newtonian out of a 16" mirror

[swift heart]

Glorious Ritchey–Chrétien or bust

Well actually if you wanted something aplanatic, a Gregorian would be much easier

The mirrors would only need to be ellipsoidal

[strong hatch]

greg 🤤

[cloud stratus]

Corrective optics being coma correctors, flatteners, etc.

[leaden copper]

send yo stuff to remote obs and have them collimate

[swift heart]

Easy, I don't use any corrective optics lmao

[delicate lance]

Na

Im not grinding the mirrors myself

Mirror grinding is such a chore to me

[delicate lance]

That’s not a very clear definition

The secondary in Cassegrains technically just corrects spherical abberation as well as field curvature and coma to a certain extent

so are Cassegrains banned?

[summer turret]

maks are pretty cool

under utilised imo

[delicate lance]

Exactly this guy gets this

[cerulean elm]

TMA

[delicate lance]

Those of you who reacted slow @dreamy cloak @sudden locust @tribal coral

You CLEARLY have not seen the F/5.6 and F/3.9 Maksutov Cassegrains

do not dare slander my goat

[dreamy cloak]

I havent indeed

[delicate lance]

maksutov superiority

[strong hatch]

silly enough i have seen those

[strong hatch]

also wow that baffle is not helping with off axis light

smoll fov

[tribal coral]

aaaaaand you wanna DIY that?

[delicate lance]

yeah no

I’ll start slow, literally

Either the f/8 CDK or an f/8 Harmer-Wynn

[tribal coral]

CDK imo

[strong hatch]

i think i will test different gregorian configs to see which one gets the best results with spherical and parabolic mirrors

[delicate lance]

Costs more

[tribal coral]

gonna be worth it

[delicate lance]

Eh no harmer-wynns perform as good if not better than CDKs

The only different will be optical quality

Since I can only get CDK optics from a Zambuto-level manufacturer.
I’d probably butcher a class-cass to turn it into a harmer wynn tbh

[strong hatch]

if you dare hurt a class cass

[delicate lance]

I will either harvest it’s primary mirror or I’ll swap out the secondary and build the corrector in

[delicate lance]

See it as organ donation

[strong hatch]

;-;

[cloud stratus]

Boi you know what I meant. Things you would attach to your scope to correct optical flaws

[delicate lance]

I mean… Cassegrain Newtonian

Switching secondaries into Cassegrain mode is for correction

[strong hatch]

look how it fits in the airy

its an f16 parabolic greg

the prim and sec are both parabolic

then the corrector (6th lens surface) is hyperbolic with K = 1.5

so easy to manufacture

its probably best to use a sensor with 9um pixels

it just needs a reduction of ca

[cedar dome]

I’d love to get a mak for visual and maybe planetary photography

[strong hatch]

get a classy cassy :3

[cedar dome]

Maybe, don’t know if I can afford a mak, let alone a classy cassy

Just kinda blew all my money on a mount too so 🤷

[strong hatch]

mount is the most important after all

[flat wolf]

slow sucks yall, fast is the goat

[delicate lance]

That’s just propaganda

Slow is easy to use and won’t kill you if something is off by 0.003%

[flat wolf]

if your even a bit skilled and get it right, your blowing the slow people out of the water

[leaden copper]

slow people??

[delicate lance]

it’s not a competition, slow telescopes are just so nice because you could point the mirror upside down and you’d maybe see one corner slightly blurry

[delicate lance]

What design is this

Class Cass?

[strong hatch]

ya

[delicate lance]

make a Harmer-Wynn

[strong hatch]

no :(

[delicate lance]

Parabolic Primary and Spherical Secondary with a corrector

[delicate lance]

Whyyyyy

[delicate lance]

That’s mid compared to a harmer-wynn

[strong hatch]

its in the airy disk well

[strong hatch]

this is the best of the best

[summer turret]

🔴

[strong hatch]

perfect fov

heres on axis vs off axis

[swift heart]

Did someone mention the little chungus???

[delicate lance]

How

[strong hatch]

ITS A PINHOLE

pinholes have no aberations

[flat wolf]

I bet I could make a reflector with no abberations

[strong hatch]

its physically impossible

[flat wolf]

just do like a cassegrain thingy with both parabolic or parabolic and hyperbolic gear

[delicate lance]

They have field curvature

To an extent

[low lance]

Neither of these are good options gang 😭

[cloud stratus]

That’s the whole point

It’s supposed to be which one is the lesser of 2 evils

[low lance]

They are both equal is what I meant

Because like one depends on the other if you pick collimation then you will have coma but if you choose corrective optics then they can't do their job because you can't collimate so they will perform sub optimally

[low lance]

Cause they don't exist

[swift heart]

Ahem.

That's an f/5.6 Maksutov–Cassegrain right there

[low lance]

I couldn't find any that were f3.9

Or below f10

[swift heart]

Synta used to make f/5.6 Maks, but they were really only intended for photographic use. They pop up on eBay sometimes

The focuser shift is truly horrendous on mine though

and I have never figured out what the proper backfocus for one is, or even if I can use an OAG with it

[strong hatch]

cuute

[delicate lance]

Then look harder I literally showed you a draft for an f/3.9 Maksutov Cassegrain

[low lance]

A darft and an actual product are two different things

I cant even imagine how large the central obstruction of a f3.9 cassgraine is going to be

If it's anything like an SCT the magnification by the secondary mirror is going to be 5x which makes the primary mirror f0.78 grinding a mirror with that much curvature is very expensive and it the minimum size needs to be atleast 8 inch or above

Just to avoid the entire aperture being obstructed by the secondary

[delicate lance]

thats not.. no.

You do realise that a „Maksutov Cassegrain“ is just any Cassegrain corrected by a maksutov corrector plate

Askar literally makes an aspheric Cassegrain at f/3.9

the m variable of the mirror isn’t forced to exist

[delicate lance]

It was literally built and you can personally buy the parts to build it just like on that draft which clearly shows that what you’re saying is just wrong…

Idk why but what you’re telling me here sounds like something ChatGPT would spit out

[low lance]

Guess what everything i said is true this is the smallest aperature F3.8 they have and just look at that price

[delicate lance]

lol

[low lance]

You want to see the secondary obstruction

[delicate lance]

You cannot be serious

[delicate lance]

It’s scaleable btw

Your logic isn’t sound it’s exactly what ai would spit out

I literally gave you a ray-traced draft

[summer turret]

call him a clanker

[delicate lance]

„that can’t exist!“

It can

It does

It has been used

[low lance]

The secondary needed on a 8 inch alone needs to be 100mm just for 42mm image circle

[delicate lance]

Tell me how you calculated that

Also a 50% linear central obstruction isn’t bad for a fast Cassegrain

Id hope you’d know that

[low lance]

AI but it's accurate considering it told me my 6 inch needs to have a 60mm secondary and guess what it has a 60mm secondary

[low lance]

My point is it's not good for small apertures and is very expensive

[delicate lance]

dude

you can’t be serious

[low lance]

ffs you can atleast agree with me that it's expensive

[delicate lance]

AI searches that from the flipping web

[low lance]

It's literally infront of your eyes

[delicate lance]

sure like every Mak cass

[delicate lance]

Thats sharpstars overpriced premium

The optics for the Mak cass that’s f3.9 at 8 inches of aperture is 1200

Also i was wrong about the speed, its actually f/3.7

[low lance]

No and this is in canadian dollars

[delicate lance]

What’s your point here

The optics cost 1200 euro at 8 inches of aperture

[low lance]

Literally no askar is owned by sharpstar they have budget telescopes that are incredibly sharp

[delicate lance]

Bro

[low lance]

It costs that much because it's very difficult to manufacture

[delicate lance]

1. Askars telescopes are notorious for not being incredibly sharp.
2. that doesn’t say anything about their reflectors being overpriced like the SCAs and HNTs

[delicate lance]

I can DIY a better fast Cassegrain

[low lance]

💀 i can't tell if this is satire or not

[delicate lance]

mr ai riddle me this, what telescope would be incredibly sharp in your eyes from Askar?

Their spot diagrams are okay but they’re not „incredibly sharp“ as you claim since their tolerances are low, it’s worse than the spot diagram basically all of the time.

Their scopes aren’t bad but they’re not „incredibly sharp“, that’s just not true.

[low lance]

"Askars telescopes are notorious for NOT being incredibly sharp"

This telescope begs to differ

[delicate lance]

lmao

it’s not incredibly sharp

And this is probably their best

considering every other refractor they made, their average quality isn’t „incredibly sharp“

how can you come here and argue with me about optical design when your knowledge stems from ChatGPT and what you can find in a simple google search 🗿

[low lance]

Can you show me an image that proves your point

[delicate lance]

Spot diagram when it’s absolutely perfectly assembled

which it never is since optically that’s too expensive and too much of a hassle for that telescope class

Their manufacturing process lets this deviate which often makes other telescopes in a similar focal length sharper from the get go

Showing you an image taken isn’t a proper way to show it since camera sampling plays a role too.

[delicate lance]

This is a good spot diagram but not incredibly sharp especially if you take optical tolerances into consideration.

Touptek‘s Hope D60 for comparison

Askar 50p and 103apo respectively..

Askar isn’t known for „incredibly sharp“ telescopes. They’re average refractors with some better and some worse, and a lot of people slam on them because of that, calling them Asskar

[leaden copper]

bad example

well all of them are bad examples i guess

the sqa series do good at being aberration free but they are a little bloated

[low lance]

You do know both those are budget telescopes right so obviously their spot diagrams arent going to be amazing

[low lance]

It's better than the redcat (which everyone meat rides) so there is that

[delicate lance]

Oh so now they’re not incredibly sharp anymore but budget scopes?

[low lance]

I said the ones you showed

[delicate lance]

They are indeed budget scopes, I just disputed your claim

[delicate lance]

Ah and show me a non-Budget Askar scope that’s incredibly sharp as you say

[low lance]

Specifically the 50p and the 103apo

[delicate lance]

☝️

[low lance]

I'd say the sqa series

Thier larger apertures are even better than their smaller ones

Sqa130

Also btw here is a comparison between the sqa 55 and the redcat

[leaden copper]

very hard to judge when the scale of the redcat spot diagram is double the askar

[low lance]

And yes despite the fact that the redcats spot diagram is twice the scale the spot diagram covers 2 blocks compared to the half block on the sqa

Which adjusted to scale comes to a full block

At 0.000

So the redcat is much more bloated

And people still say it's sharp

[leaden copper]

coughing toddler versus dying ant

[delicate lance]

don’t get me started on William Optics

[leaden copper]

no one in this server says its sharp, people out in the wild say it just because its popular

[low lance]

I've seen a couple redcat fans on this server

[delicate lance]

Glazed to shit but a camera company outdid them on their first telescope attempt

[leaden copper]

touptek?

[delicate lance]

They scream sharp at anything they like that can focus

[delicate lance]

Yup

Faster, better spots and 10mm more linear aperture

[low lance]

Yup

[delicate lance]

It’s better but the off axis sharpness isn’t „incredible“ considering it’s 5k

[low lance]

Wdym 5k

5k dollars?

But its less than 1k

[leaden copper]

hes replying to ur sqa130 image

[low lance]

Oh

Yeah fair enough

I mean the only refractor i can think that will beat the sqa would probably be a tak

[summer turret]

skywatcher esprits

[leaden copper]

i think the bigger sqas are nice but also overpriced as hell, svx, esprits, taks, etc all better

WO FLT

[low lance]

Is it?

[summer turret]

theyre basically consumer grade professional scopes

thats why theyre so well regarded

[leaden copper]

just ask whooptie lol

[summer turret]

hes got like 4 esprits

[low lance]

Well couldn't find a spot diagram but this looks promising

[summer turret]

generally shouldnt use completed images as an idea of what images can get. theres generally quite a bit of image manipulation (IE blurx)

as well as many other tools which are undisclosed

[low lance]

Blurx can only fix so much

[delicate lance]

I was replying to the Askar sqa130

[low lance]

Yeah ik

I realized later

[summer turret]

but enough to make quite a difference

[low lance]

True

[delicate lance]

Skywatcher Esprits immediately come to mind

Those are actually incredibly sharp more consistently though it’s worth mentioning they have their issues

Like spherochromatism in some models through tolerance issues in manufacturing

[low lance]

I mean I'm not really a big refractor guy so my knowledge is pretty small

[summer turret]

some have very slight fringing but youll only see it if you actually go searching for it

the 100 has red fridging while others are blue

[delicate lance]

The 100 and 80 have the most cases with the 80 being most severe

[leaden copper]

the 80,100 and the 120,150 have different optical designs

the 120 and 150 are higher quality

i read somewhere they were designed by different people and thus turned out differently, thats why u see aberrations mostly on the 80 and 100

[summer turret]

but regardless they are pretty high end scope

[leaden copper]

fr

[summer turret]

im considering getting an esprit 100 used depending on price

[delicate lance]

Manufacturing is tighter on the 120 and 150

[strong hatch]

NOT THAT BAD

[strong hatch]

...

[low lance]

60% on an 12inch is pretty bad

[strong hatch]

why do you guys talk so much im still not at the bottom

[low lance]

FYI the bigger the aperture the less percentage the obstruction is

[strong hatch]

okay what scope is that

[low lance]

A cassegrain

[strong hatch]

which one????

[low lance]

Specifically this one

[strong hatch]

;-;

if that thing was made well it would be 2x the cost for a much smaller co buuut realistically no one will pay for that

modern design now is usually price over performance

the co really does not have to be as big as it is on those guys

[low lance]

Also it's like 59.35% but whats 0.65%

[strong hatch]

gimme a sec

waiiiiiit a second

waiiiiit a quick second

[low lance]

Yeah but the thing is the larger the aperture the smaller the fraction ratio between aperture and secondary obstruction

[strong hatch]

that central obstruction only blocks 35%

not 59%

how tf did you get 59%

[strong hatch]

35% is too much, should be 25% or less imho

[low lance]

What

[strong hatch]

the co of the scope that you sent blocks 35% of the mirror

it should be much smaller

a 160mm co makes it drop to the 27% co and you could 100% use that on that scope

@delicate lance i guess i have to make a cassegrain f2.8 to do a lil bit of proving

[low lance]

Thats 35.5% surface area obstruction

I was calculating linear obstruction

For example my f4 newtonian has a linear obstruction of 42.7% and a area obstruction of 18.2%

[strong hatch]

but means nothing

[low lance]

It does

It's not used for light gathering but how much your sharpness takes a hit due to diffraction

[delicate lance]

Make it a Harmer-Wynn I beg you

[strong hatch]

its only major difference is the contrast drop lol

[delicate lance]

It’s not

The point of such a fast Cassegrain is the huge image circle

To illuminate such a huge image circle the secondary needs to be bigger

They could definitely make the secondary smaller

But then the point of a fast Cassegrain is gone

[strong hatch]

its still not that yummy 25-30% obstruction though

[low lance]

It's 55mm not that much bigger than my 42mm

[delicate lance]

It is

Remember that circles don’t scale linearly

Thats 70% more area

[strong hatch]

fiiiiiiiiinnnneeeeeee i will

[strong hatch]

[delicate lance]

YIPPIEIEIEE

[strong hatch]

im gunna give it a 1mm big co and have it corrected to apsc

[low lance]

Well i already did the math anyway that 100mm figure i gave early for the 8 inch was for a 42mm image circle and

[delicate lance]

I thought you were going to make it fast

[strong hatch]

yea im trying to make a joke, can you laugh please

[low lance]

58*

[delicate lance]

How’d you figure that

[strong hatch]

with optical pitch and red rouge

(red ruge is used for polishing, im evil)

[delicate lance]

1385.44 square millimetres vs 2375.83 square millimetres

Thats 1.71x bigger

[strong hatch]

(its
1.38544*10^4 and
2.37583*10^4
if you guys need the figures in standard form)

its the morning and im sleepy so you have to deal with shitty jokes until i have my first pot of tea for the day

[low lance]

And for a 12.2 inch the secondary would still be around 165-175mm which is significantly larger than a typical 12 inch

Which has secondary diameter of around 102mm

[low lance]

Flip it around and you get the percentage which is 58%

Which is the same as 1.71x

[strong hatch]

flipping it arround you get 0.3

[strong hatch]

well 1+1=2 therefore a triangle is purple

[strong hatch]

also i meant flipping 0.7 arround

not the equation :3

[low lance]

What 😭

Where did you get 0.7 from

[strong hatch]

i really did not get enough sleep (0 hours) if im laughing at this

sorry my humor is awful

im really letting fire down with these awful jokes @delicate lance

[delicate lance]

What you calculated is the percentage of what 1385.44 is to 2375.83

1385.44 is ~58% of 2375.83

You need to divide the bigger with the smaller to find out how much larger the bigger one is compared to the smaller

Which is 1.71x

Or 71%

Well technically it calculates the relative size (1.71x or 171%) but that’s the same as saying it’s 71% larger

[strong hatch]

ya

[low lance]

Yes

[low lance]

Ohh yeahh

[strong hatch]

[low lance]

But still ^

[delicate lance]

@tidal tundra explain yourself

how dare thou oppose the maksutov

[strong hatch]

@tidal tundra why so evil

[strong hatch]

vote on the poll

mr flamy

mc flame face

[delicate lance]

Ritchey Chretien on top

[strong hatch]

which of those 2 ._.

[delicate lance]

ritche-

[delicate lance]

the minicat is a disgrace

[strong hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[delicate lance]

Schmidt Cassegrains are obviously inferior

[strong hatch]

@woeful rose why the minicat

explainthyself

[marble hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-jarvis-iron-man-unsure-gif-758258540099951503

[delicate lance]

https://tenor.com/view/grok-is-this-true-windmill-water-wheel-gif-5302497903247327835

[cedar dome]

There is zero reason to get a minicat instead of a standard Redcat 51. They literally advise against going above an APS-C size sensor on it, and specifically tell you to use blurX for the stars near the edge of the field

[strong hatch]

theres no reason to get a redcat full stop.

they are all below avg or just average

theres no point

[cedar dome]

I thinks redcats are alright, but I will admit there are definitely better alternatives now for a bit more

I own a Redcat and I think it is pretty good, but esprit’s and a couple other companies with scopes priced similarly blow redcats, and most other refractors out of the water

[strong hatch]

buut the issue is reflectors will always be better :/

[cedar dome]

They are, but I don’t think I can mentally handle collimating every night just yet

[strong hatch]

why would you collimate every night?

[cedar dome]

Plus I wanted a wide field of view :3

[cedar dome]

Unless I get a newt that holds its collimating well, I’ll most likely be collimating every other night

[strong hatch]

awh :(

my noot luckily holds extremely well (after the mods ive done)

[cedar dome]

…and for travel

[cedar dome]

New spider?

[strong hatch]

ya

ive also messed with the focuser a lotta lotta to reduce tilt

[cedar dome]

What does that entail? Just getting a new focused entirely?

[strong hatch]

nope

a lot of masking tape and flocking tape

[cedar dome]

I see

[tribal coral]

Think the main problem is the price tag and what you get nowadays with better options available like Askar maybe?

[flat wolf]

my dob i had collimate every night, but my current newt its like every 3-5 times i collimate it

[low lance]

💀 sharp my ass

[low lance]

Rowe-Ackerman for the win

[low lance]

My stock quattro holds it's collimation pretty good even after moving it around i only need to do some minor adjustments and if i mount it in the same spot i could go weeks without collimating probably

And the collimation is literally the fastest process out of every step i need to do before i start imaging because of my laser collimator and if it's truly that bothersome for you you can always rig up a couple of stepper motors and a camera and make a diy autocollimator

[delicate lance]

id like to see you buy 6 stepper motors

and how would you even rotate the secondary

[low lance]

I meant the primary mirror the secondary hardly moves even if i drop the telescope

Okay that's an exaggeration but still

[swift heart]

I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS SLANDER OF THE GLORIOUS RITCHEY–CHRÉTIEN (OR REFRACTION, FOR THAT MATTER)

[strong hatch]

refraction is good

[glacial bear]

Rio holds her collimation. I check it seasonally and it stays

[swift heart]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE(fraction)

[cloud stratus]

when is someone making a 5 hour video explaining the difference between every niche reflector design

[strong hatch]

@delicate lance we gotta make a yt channel to go through this

(well now ive got the idea i will have to go through with it

)

[cedar dome]

I will be subscribing and liking

[delicate lance]

nah

ill

[strong hatch]

[delicate lance]

make a google doc and beat her to it

im speedrunning

[strong hatch]

im gunna go into detail

[cedar dome]

You guys are in speak easy, just see who can make a better one in a set time lol