Polls 5.0

[fallen obsidian]

its expensive though and takes a while to set up

really depends on whats around you

our lake house got power from a hydroelectric plant because its near a lake, but my house is powered by coal because its the easiest with the high energy needs of my area

if your on a mountian wind is prob best

[glacial bear]

No arguments. When it comes to safety and efficiency, nuclear is the one.

Regional availability is another discussion. I could put solar panels on my house because my my roof gets hit by the sun all day. Had a solar salesman drooling over it actually.

[fallen obsidian]

lol

[cerulean elm]

It's like planes.
It takes a bit of blood to make it the safest. And now it is the safest form of energy production

[low lance]

Depends

For personal or city

And if city is it a big city or a small town

Well not anymore with new advances bringing efficiency up to 30% plus storing the energy isn't that hard liquid molten salt batteries are great at this you can collect the majority of the heat for electricity and any remaining heat can be used to heat up your house

Only issue is cloudy days and night time but just place it in a desert

[urban quiver]

It still sucks

30% is nothing since it’s already extremely inefficient and garbage

[low lance]

Okay then what about CSP those can achieve almost 90% assuming you use the waste heat as well it's not 90% electricity but 90% total utilization

I wouldn't call it free its still costs money for the fuel the operational costs and so on and so forth somebody needs to pay that

[cold moon]

Spoken like a true Australian

I say this pretty much all the time, if you are anti-nuclear in 2025 you literally just fell for Big Oil/Coal propaganda

[obsidian plover]

no multiple choice smh

[urban quiver]

I love coal

My entire hometown, city, and state was built on coal

[cerulean elm]

Where's metal?

[fossil temple]

Oopsies

[ivory mural]

https://tenor.com/view/tungsten-cube-tungsten-cube-edit-kinemaster-gif-2236254145424505982

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-meme-metalheads-gif-18059784

[cold moon]

You forgot metal 😔

[cold moon]

Beautiful

[cerulean elm]

The blasphemy is just unbelievable 😭

[woeful ivy]

thankfully im bismuth headed

so my head gets repelled

and i fly

[cerulean elm]

I really hope he didn't think that rock and metal are the same thing because I swear I will crucify someone for that sin

[woeful ivy]

meteroite music:

[cerulean elm]

There us alien metal... yes, it's a genre

[woeful ivy]

i mean will you classify meteorite genre as rock or metal

🥺

[cerulean elm]

Metal

[woeful ivy]

theres rocky meteorites

[woeful ivy]

metal or rock?

[woeful ivy]

god damn i want this so bad

[cerulean elm]

Silicate

[cold moon]

I see that mistake happen a lot I hate it so much

[delicate lance]

brown dwarf him.

[zealous cloak]

Its nothing compared to oil and coal

[low lance]

True

But remember oil and coal companies only want profits and if a material becomes more profitable than fossil fuel they will switch

[delicate lance]

The only real danger lies within human error.

Fukushima for instance was greed. It was said multiple times that building a nuclear power plant there is a HORRIBLE idea.

Chernobyl was just the failure of operators, political pressure, lies and it being cheapened out.

A properly placed nuclear reactor with proper proceedures and no shortcuts will be a really safe and efficient energy source

[low lance]

Even if it does go wrong it isn't even that bad the explosion isn't even nuclear like the media portrays it as it's just a steam explosion which isn't harmful now yes some times some radiation can get out but it doesn't contaminate everything and the radiation is so low that animals can still survive in the area with no problems

And besides fast reactors using molten salt as their transfer medium dont explode because sodium doesn't flash boil and produce flammable hydrogen

[delicate lance]

Nuclear Reactors (modern ones) cannot explode

[devout tinsel]

I'm listening and like every genre of music😭 for me easier to say what genres I don't like

[somber belfry]

just like rbmk reactors!

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-anatoly-dyatlov-delusional-gif-14336594

[somber belfry]

on a serious note yeah they are extremely safe

[delicate lance]

RBMK reactors are a mess within themselves

[somber belfry]

i love operating rbmk reactors🥹

[somber belfry]

correct

[cold moon]

Yearly reminder that the Fukushima meltdown killed like, zero people

[brisk copper]

metal

ran out of space

:c

(ig you could count nu as alt metal)

(loosely)

[summer turret]

T is metalhead?

Im more into metalcorr

[fallen obsidian]

titanium

bismuth is best tho

[fallen obsidian]

heavy death goth grunge oj simpson murder metal

[devout tinsel]

Wolfram or maybe bismuth

(I don't listening metal music)

[woeful ivy]

is imagine dragons a metal band

[silver holly]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-gif-4007870892487612180

[marble hearth]

Thought these were nicknames to actual elements from the periodic table until like half way through 😭

[cold moon]

Heavy metal isn't a subgenre tho? It's just the full name

[fossil temple]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-crying-cry-crying-crying-emoji-crying-meme-gif-3223392509479903783

[woeful ivy]

is tame impala (new zealand music artist) a rockstar or metal head

[brisk copper]

some people do some people dont

bc people make heavy metal that isnt any of the other subgenres

[cold moon]

There's so many subgenres that I'm sure you can find one that fits for pretty much any song lol

[brisk copper]

yeah

[cold moon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2i03huY4DLxMnAB9DV4BOd

[brisk copper]

woaw

getting added to my playlist

[silver holly]

Dunno but I hate them so much 😭
So overplayed.

[woeful ivy]

i forgot that song uhhh

the more i forget the worse?

[woeful ivy]

same for me and kpop

i assume the domesticated impeller is kinda like A-Pop

Aus Pop

[devout tinsel]

I don't listening metal music, in my mind is something like: guitar riff - screams - guitar riff - screams and loop it

[brisk copper]

nothing like that

[lofty jetty]

real

classic rock 🔛 🔝

[brisk copper]

@cold moon i plan on making my own guitar, ill use a calculator as distortion

[cold moon]

A... calculator?

Peculiar

[brisk copper]

yus

[cold moon]

It's one of the genres where I hear the most diversity and skill involved lol. Probably only second to classical and jazz, although they have similarities

Also, a lot of metal (probably the majority) has clean vocals lol

[cold moon]

It also talks about a lot of different topics and has meaning and emotions in songs

[brisk copper]

rage

[cold moon]

It's like, rage and maybe sadness or fear. Afterall, they are the strongest emotions, after maybe hate

[brisk copper]

ya

[devout tinsel]

Interesting, maybe I will try to listen some of this

But I'm prefer to some more calm and melodic music

[bronze minnow]

zinc probably idk

[devout tinsel]

Which artists you can recommend to listen?

[cold moon]

It's melodic usually, not calm tho

[devout tinsel]

Sorry, my English isn't great

[cold moon]

I can suggest some songs that are chill(er) I guess, as for artists the bands for "beginners" probably are ones that are on the boundary between hard rock and metal

Stuff like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden etc.

[devout tinsel]

[cold moon]

Fade to Black is a nice one, even my non metalheads friends love it lol

[brisk copper]

theres Dio which is bordering hard rock and heavy metal, and theres rainbow thats hard rock but not quite metal

judas priests point of entry album is good

[cold moon]

Lyrics are mandatory on this one btw, James enunciation is good but you might wanna pull them up either way

[brisk copper]

i like how i can just hear the lyrics with death

[cold moon]

Dio invented this: 🤘 so he's a metalhead in my heart

[brisk copper]

i prefer screechy sharp voice over deep growl (when it comes to the shouty)

[devout tinsel]

It's sounds really nice

[cold moon]

Some times they do both, deep growl is easier to understand though imo

[brisk copper]

deep growl hurts moar

to do

[cold moon]

There's techniques to not destroy your vocal chords lol

[brisk copper]

it requires voice training usually

and ive only done voice training to higher pitch and resonance my voice

not to deepen it

[brisk copper]

ya

[cold moon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6DmYzJskq7hwfRhngsDYrU hear the vocals of this guy 💀, he's insane

[brisk copper]

infant annihilator 😭

thats kinda a silly voice ngl

[cold moon]

Wait for the deep one

I'm fairly certain it's the same guy

Not 100% sure I need to check to make sure

[brisk copper]

they a zomber

also, which metal genre is just those 30 second long like 300bpm songs

[cold moon]

Hear the final verse and "breakdown", you'll see why I put it in quotation marks

It's hilarious 😭

4:56

[cold moon]

Grindcore or sum?

4 seconds long? Yep, checks out

[brisk copper]

😭

[swift heart]

where folk metal

[brisk copper]

ran out of space

[restive fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/allspark-cube-gif-15038881

[urban quiver]

how can you observe an exo planet

[cerulean elm]

Light curve

[urban quiver]

thats not exaclty observing

[cerulean elm]

That is exactly observing 😅

[summer turret]

You're collecting data on it, hence youre observing

[marble hearth]

Wasn't really a challenge but an opportunity to see a planetary nebula through an old 250mm diameter frac w my own eyes 👀

[woeful ivy]

i saw orion nebula

[woeful ivy]

does this count

[devout tinsel]

Observing quasar isn't so hard, the brightest is only 12m

[cerulean elm]

Where are the radio sources?

[woeful ivy]

its about p2w as life

[obsidian plover]

15-25tb wtf ??

[tiny lintel]

thats without planetary/solar/lunar, otherwise it would be in the 50s..

[obsidian plover]

I have 2gb space on my windows drive I'm so tight on space lmao

[cerulean elm]

50GB

[tiny lintel]

I saved a lot this year by shooting 600s and 1200s subs 🙂

[cerulean elm]

I wonder, if you do a bin2x2 aaand shoot 1200s subs. Would you even need that much storage?

[tiny lintel]

why would I bin 2x2

[cerulean elm]

Smaller file size

[tiny lintel]

and smaller resolution...

which is not something to do whilst being undersampled
and binning on cmos does nothing, its same as downsampling an image in post, there is no benefit in terms of getting a larger pixel size

[rain void]

If hardware binning would matter, you're doing something wrong!!!

Swamp your read noise people!

[tiny lintel]

hardware binning would be nice if you were at idk 0.5"/px or lower

[rain void]

Ofc, but software binning would be equally nice, since the read noise should be swamped anyways

If hardware vs software binning would make any measurable difference at all, you need longer subframes

So unless you have no light pollution at all, or are imaging something that specifically needs short subs, like planetary, CMOS is really the goat

[woeful ivy]

100gb

[ivory mural]

500gb

[summer turret]

100gb

[ivory mural]

how did you do untracked

[fallen obsidian]

untracked takes 1tb for me

[summer turret]

Used my brothers pc for stacking. That has like 700gb

Storing rhe data was fine. At most I had 108gb of data for my Carina project

[cerulean elm]

I know. Then you can do a 2x drizzle and you're back at the original image. But Instead of storing 100mb fits you're storing 25mb fits. You are gonna be able to transfer and stack the data much quicker, so CMOS binning does have an advantage. Not anywhere close to what CCD binning does, but you get the point

[delicate lance]

To a certain extent

(the people that own rigs worth more than 3 cars which produce worse images than with just a phone)

[cerulean elm]

Lack of processing skills.

[delicate lance]

and capturing skills

i highly doubt they even know what gain is

[cerulean elm]

Gain = Noise

I've seen that. Higher gain means more noise

[cerulean elm]

Ok, someone with cheap equipment but good processing skills can achieve more than someone with expensive gear but no processing skills.

[delicate lance]

exactly

there are phone photographers (lucas) who get better results than most people here

[cerulean elm]

It has been proven around here as well.

[delicate lance]

it is pay to win but not purely

[cerulean elm]

Ok... the ease of use and the hassle is pay to win. The more you pay, the easier it gets to acquire data... buuut the caviat is that it also becomes more complex and you need to build some knowledge about how every component interacts with eachother.
Learning a musical instrument has a similar learning curve as this hobby. The initial curve is very steep and overwhelming, but then you start to understand it and it becomes exponentially easier. Only... if you put the effort in learning and understanding what and why certain things don't go as planned.
For example, if I get a bad image, I don't necessarily blame the equipment, I blame myself and I try to figure out what went wrong and why. That way next time it won't happen again

[delicate lance]

The bar of the quality of the images also gets set higher with better equipment, though its fair to say that its unsure if the user will even get to there.

[cerulean elm]

Ypu can cut the integration time by a lot just by using a cooled camera. You can sit and sleep throughout the night just by using a computerized mount. You can take Flats at any time of the night and not screw around with T-shirts trying to get flats in the day time. AMD the list keeps going. The more money you dump, the easier it becomes. But hand in hand has to go the processing as well.

[cerulean elm]

Almost every PW image on astrobin sets that bar so low that a 130PDS wins easly

[delicate lance]

[cerulean elm]

Perfect example of boomer processing

[delicate lance]

🗿

[cerulean elm]

Beautiful ain't it?

[delicate lance]

looks like a bullet wound

[tribal coral]

holy clip

[cerulean elm]

The background is so dark that it could actually be used as a bullet wound texture in a game

[cerulean elm]

Just buy something already

[delicate lance]

i did

unboxing soon

but this is the next step

[cerulean elm]

What did you buy?

[delicate lance]

good things

its a secre

trust

[cerulean elm]

Riiight... definitely not a camera.

[delicate lance]

yeah no but upgrades

which are overdue

camera i cant afford yet

[zealous cloak]

old tech 🚮

[delicate lance]

its not bad

8k sensor

very good sensitivity

[zealous cloak]

585 any day. want a bigger fov? mosaic

[delicate lance]

wont give me the same res and its a hassle because of the scale

[cerulean elm]

If finishing a project in one night is a hassle... then I guess I love pain

[delicate lance]

i like finishing stuff within a night

thats what ive been doing so far

[cerulean elm]

That's what the 585 is capable of

[delicate lance]

the 492 aswell

but i wont have to mosaic for the same fov

[rain void]

Skimp on filters now and do it right later. Otherwise you're just digging the small sensor hole deeper

[cerulean elm]

Then get that. Just get something, stop threatening us whith buying stuff

[delicate lance]

once again im revising options for when i can buy it 😭

[rain void]

BUY! BUY! BUY! it's not like this hobby tries to take all your money anyways

[rain void]

what

liar

[cerulean elm]

Bruh... 💀

[rain void]

585 is the pinnacle of not finishing in one night, because it's pretty much the camera to get the least amount of data/time between any options out there that anyone would actually consider

Or signal/time I should say

[delicate lance]

See I can hardly buy (or rather decide on) something when people scream to get either option

[zealous cloak]

10h in winter

[undone sinew]

mmmmmmmmm

[zealous cloak]

ew

[cerulean elm]

So what would you consider a finished project?

[delicate lance]

those with 1-2 hours 🗿

[rain void]

Of course you can have all sorts of standards, but I'd say at the very least having some amount of signal

[delicate lance]

a project is finished once you say its finished, thats the entire structure

[rain void]

Which will ofc vary depending on the project

[delicate lance]

though if your plan is mosaic and you partially finish it

its unfinished by the original idea

[rain void]

/shrug Yeah basically it's arbitrary

What

Ykwim

[brisk copper]

orions core is done in half a second

[delicate lance]

also it ignores the fact that I could also want to mosaic with the 492

[brisk copper]

usually clipped too

[rain void]

Big mosaic

[delicate lance]

the humble 83 frames of pure mosaic with the 585

[cerulean elm]

That's when I call it finished. So if you manage to get enough signal in 4h then that project can be called finished so you get to image other stuff as well. You could spend 2h, 20h, or 2000h... there's no limit. A good marker is the point where the noise gets drowned and it has minimal impact on the actual signal.

[rain void]

Yep, I'd say the same too

And that's also the reason why the 585 has a place somewhere. If you're imaging a very small target, mainly PNs, then more sensor won't get you more signal

[brisk copper]

lil galaxies :3

[rain void]

But for that exact reason, that's what I would generally call a bad target

[rain void]

Exactly. They can suck my ass

[brisk copper]

i think you are just scared

[rain void]

big galaxy but worse. Less signal and worse resolution with no upside ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk copper]

do u like my image of a galaxy

[rain void]

Why am I not allowed to say "masoch*sm" ???

Because that's what it is

[brisk copper]

so much detail

i think amma go for one of the northern dwarfs next

yk the ones that just look like open clusters

[rain void]

You would really enjoy using a frac! Same principle: everything appears smaller, lower resolution and less signal

[brisk copper]

nononono

i wont even be able to resolve the galaxies

[rain void]

Exactly!!

You would love it!

[brisk copper]

i want to be able to see them :(

[brisk copper]

no

false info

[rain void]

Obviously not

Since you prefer them specifically when they are harder to see

[brisk copper]

thats why amma get a 10" class cass

[brisk copper]

no

not fully true

[rain void]

obviously is tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

M31 is cool as shit but you all seem to prefer near identical, or even worse looking galaxies, if they're just hard enough to see

[cold moon]

What

How is that ew

[zealous cloak]

i dont eat no raw fish

[cold moon]

Missing out

[zealous cloak]

ill survive

[delicate lance]

Sunflower and sombrero!!!!

[rain void]

It taste good

[cerulean elm]

It's also a matter of preference. I personally don't care to fit the whole North America Nebula in my frame. If I can fit an interesting region of it and pull a sharp image of that area, it's more unique

[cold moon]

Precisely

[delicate lance]

same

[zealous cloak]

not for me

[rain void]

M31

[delicate lance]

sunflower and sombrero are top tier targets that dont look like m31 or worse

[rain void]

People who hate on M31 obviously haven't seen the Ha or OIII arc

It has everything

[cold moon]

There's so many different fishes and seafoods that it's hard to believe, most of the time people are just scared for some reason

[delicate lance]

m31 is hated because its overdone by people who suck at processing/capturing

[rain void]

And the cool as hell core too

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-shivermetimbers-dog-chattering-im-so-scared-gif-22657721

[delicate lance]

ts not about it being raw but rather about it tasting horrible

raw salmon is disgusting

i say this as a person who likes mett (raw pork)

[cerulean elm]

The OIII arc around the NGC206? I kinda want to capture it

[brisk copper]

i like this galaxy

[rain void]

It's so extremely cool, even without taking the much much better resolution you'd always get because of its size

[zealous cloak]

huh

browi is talking about SDSO-1

[delicate lance]

why is it that every time i do a camera poll i cause an argument with browi's involvement

[delicate lance]

is the galaxy in the room with us

[cold moon]

Literally wrong

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/atfuraxx-homer-stupid-thesimpsons-gif-5266801

(this is a joke)

[cold moon]

Amazing

[brisk copper]

browi the probelm :(

[cerulean elm]

Ah... nah. I don't care about that one. I want to make M31 uncomfortable as I'm breathing right in its face🤣

[delicate lance]

almost puked when i first tried it and i havent puked in years

[brisk copper]

you need 300 hours of int

[zealous cloak]

obviously it isnt

[cold moon]

So basically you tasted terrible salmon

[cold moon]

Worth it

A galaxy that I'd love to shoot but can't is the Cartwheel 😔

[rain void]

Maybe not completely

[brisk copper]

boo 1 is worth it yea

[delicate lance]

yeah no to my sushi-loving sister it was "top tier"

absolutely horrible taste

i wish to never taste again

i vaguely remember it being horribly expensive too

yuck

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-buddy-pine-discord-reddit-gif-1954320315783291994

[cold moon]

The one used in most sushi restaurants is FAR from being even close to top tier so doubt

[cold moon]

Depends but yeah

@rain void peak galaxy

[rain void]

It was mostly a joke because you can be wrong without being stupid

[zealous cloak]

we get it browi

[rain void]

Indeed, I will accept galaxies if and only if you do it with a space telescope

Small galaxies*

[brisk copper]

im gonna spend the next however long shooting this galaxy

(lie)

[rain void]

Take your time, you'll need it

[brisk copper]

maby when i get a bigger scope

[cold moon]

You know what's cooler than tiny galaxies

A lot of tiny galaxies close together

[rain void]

Big galaxies

[brisk copper]

YESSSSS

galaxy clusters

[cold moon]

Most of them are mid

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-what-i-just-read-gif-20766315

[cold moon]

M31 is the middest of them all

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

It has literally everything that could make a galaxy great

[brisk copper]

i like it when its blue

[rain void]

OIII arc

And even the outer parts that are straight up just blue lmfao

[cold moon]

Boring

[rain void]

it's too cool therefore it is boring

[brisk copper]

only cool part is being able to resolve stars and globs in it :(

[rain void]

Then no other galaxies must be cool then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk copper]

i resolved stars in that one galaxy

could also be a nova

idk

[cold moon]

It's boring

Objectively doesn't have interesting features

[brisk copper]

even triangle is more intresting

[delicate lance]

i feel like the gases released by the refracting element in your telescope has entered your brain

[delicate lance]

[delicate lance]

the core and starlanes are interesting and cool as a start

[brisk copper]

only the core is cool

[delicate lance]

commoner

https://tenor.com/view/spill-spill-app-spill-the-tea-andre-3000-tea-be-cool-gif-15168959444406192086

[brisk copper]

i do fancy core dust removal techniques, get on my level

(the stars)

[cold moon]

Not very

The core is probably the most interesting part

But the shape of the galaxy itself is one of the most common

[undone sinew]

Bump because you guys buried my precious poll in your giant discussions

[delicate lance]

Yeah no full m31 images aren’t that interesting unless they’re a super high res and int

[swift heart]

I should shoot SDSO 1 with my RC

[rain void]

Core is cool, spirals are cool, Ha and OIII arcs are cool, Ha and OIII nebula in another galaxy is cool. High resolution makes everything already mentioned 3x as cool

[brisk copper]

yas

[rain void]

Ha core is especially cool too

[swift heart]

IC 10 was one of the hardest things I've seen but it's a galaxy

[undone sinew]

Andromeda nebulas arent very good honestly

[rain void]

Copium

[cerulean elm]

Well, show us the results after 5 years when you're done

[brisk copper]

tbh, ellipticals have way more intresting cores

[undone sinew]

When you compare it with other nearby galaxies like triangulum and the magellanic clouds it puts the andromeda galaxy to shame in terms of h-a emissions

[swift heart]

Probably not the whole thing just a small section

[rain void]

???

[zealous cloak]

Opinions are such a concept

[rain void]

How?

[rain void]

Just look at the surrounding Ha

and tons of Ha in there too

[brisk copper]

all opinions are incorrect unles they come from browi

[cerulean elm]

I know, but still. That thing is dim😅

[zealous cloak]

Tea gets it

[rain void]

No opinions are correct, but some are incorrect lmfao

[undone sinew]

Im talking specifically about the galaxy’s body not the constellation (but i didnt mention galaxy so idk if you misunderstood it)

I think the andromeda galaxy just got old for me

still a good galaxy but ive seen it so often that i feel nothing when i see an image of it no matter how high quality it is

[rain void]

Oh yeah I like how the Ha takes up more "area" of triabgulum, but in terms of total, m31 should win out by a lot

[cerulean elm]

Try M82, NGC 4039, M104 aaand the crown jewel of them all... Milky way.

[rain void]

Actual wisdom. Milky way is the best galaxy to image

[undone sinew]

Imagine if the milky way was just a boring elliptical galaxy with no dust lanes and no large nebulae present in it

[cerulean elm]

Triabgulum that shit cracked me so hard

[swift heart]

It's not actually that dim. It's been observed in binoculars

[zealous cloak]

what, the OIII arc?

oh nvm

[rain void]

Phone moment

[rain void]

Astrophotography wouldn't be the same

[undone sinew]

It wouldnt even be called the milky way

It would just be called the milk

[brisk copper]

ellipticals are intresting

[undone sinew]

I like lenticulars more

-# ngc4753

[brisk copper]

every image would be of a faint emmision nebula, open cluster or a globular cluster

[brisk copper]

or the yolk

eg

[undone sinew]

m87 is the only good elliptical galaxy

[rain void]

Sad dystopian parallel universe

[cold moon]

He's right

M33 cooks M31

[undone sinew]

The rest are all boring unless theyre adjacent to something else

[undone sinew]

M33 has the largest nebula ever discovered in it

NGC603 or NGC604 idk

[brisk copper]

even this glaxy beats m31

[undone sinew]

Its a cool glaxy

[brisk copper]

the structure and nebulosity of this galaxy is so yummy

[rain void]

Tell me you don't have large enough fov to fit m31 without telling me you don't have large enough fov to fit m31

[undone sinew]

However

[brisk copper]

why would you want to fit m31

its only good as a mosaic

[brisk copper]

ugly af

[undone sinew]

this is why you should be banned

[cerulean elm]

It will get there eventually. Andromeda might play a role as well

[rain void]

Image that youself and you'll see why

[cerulean elm]

Image it

[brisk copper]

which galaxy actually is it

[rain void]

Ngc 4753

[undone sinew]

when i get my rc in 2-3 years i will

[cerulean elm]

But if you like these, try Centaurus A

[undone sinew]

Actually im gonna do it as soon as i get my new scope

[undone sinew]

theres this thing called the earth and its kind of in the way

[cold moon]

I can't fit either, as most people

[cerulean elm]

We kinda jumped him at the same time

[undone sinew]

its because you guys are all industry plants ran by one person so they can farm nerd status

[brisk copper]

look at the ugly guy

[undone sinew]

dss did him dirty but that doesnt mean its bad bro trust me

[cold moon]

It's peak but ok

Actual interesting shape

[undone sinew]

look at this beauty

The galaxy itself is pretty large in the night sky it’s just that its only interesting part is really small

[cerulean elm]

Your calling Rory a villain?

[rain void]

It is indeed beautiful, but only if you image it from space ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(but no narrowband so eh)

[undone sinew]

Ground imaging isnt bad either

[undone sinew]

It makes up for it with everything else

[rain void]

It absolutely is tho

[undone sinew]

A big scope ground image of this thing by someone like tom or some wolf rayet would get hof for sure

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[brisk copper]

i have an idea

[undone sinew]

so then whats your favourite galaxy then

Probably some boring pick like the antennae galaxies

[brisk copper]

its m31

[undone sinew]

Actually i dont have a favorite nebula

Actually wait i do

Vela SNR

[rain void]

M31

[rain void]

https://app.astrobin.com/i/9d8fm1

[undone sinew]

its over for you bro

[rain void]

1m scope and still not that great

[brisk copper]

my fav neb

[undone sinew]

“not that great”

[brisk copper]

its ugly as shit

[cerulean elm]

Have a look on astrobin. None of the images that look half decent are taken with small telescopes. Most of them are taken with PW CDK16 or ASA 600 / 1000

[rain void]

I mean it's fantastic for that target but you really can't even zoom in lol

[undone sinew]

Processing is a bit rough but its still good

[zealous cloak]

astrobin zoom has been pretty fucky recently

i suppose its because they are pushing an update

[cold moon]

Trash seeing coping

[rain void]

No you can zoom in I mean, but you don't notice any more details at all

[zealous cloak]

i dont mean this image

just in general

[rain void]

I'm literally looking at it from a 1m scope and it's still meh

From Chile too

[brisk copper]

rubo, thoughts on taking myself to f15 and imaging the andromeda core with 2x drizzle

[cerulean elm]

Waste of money right?

[undone sinew]

Yall are just haters ngl

[cold moon]

Why are we drizzling at F/15

[cerulean elm]

So you can nuke your already low SNR

[brisk copper]

[rain void]

Not at all, pretty pictures is just not the main purpose

[brisk copper]

pretty pictures are ugly anyways

[rain void]

But if it was, it would absolutely be a waste of money

[cerulean elm]

I know. The pretty picture is a byproduct of the scientifical research 😅

[rain void]

Exactly, and seeing new things is super exciting, just not as pretty as a setup specialized to make pretty pictures

[undone sinew]

im gonna kill you one of these days

[brisk copper]

what the f

[cold moon]

Exactly why imaging small galaxies is peak

[rain void]

Good seeing affects M31 equally, so it isn't really an argument for small galaxies at all

[cold moon]

I would barlow up

[undone sinew]

i dont tolerate ngc4753 hate

[cold moon]

F/50 at least

[brisk copper]

i plan on barlowing up as soon as i get a tracking mount

[undone sinew]

Would that even be theoretically usable

[brisk copper]

yeah

wont be good but it would work

[undone sinew]

barlow lenses are disgusting

[rain void]

Sure, if you image something new better than everyone else, but that still doesn't make it pretty, just cool in other ways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk copper]

thats why i want a slow scope lol

i need to barlow for now tho

[brisk copper]

it makes it pretty cool

[cerulean elm]

Or a setup only designed to look pretty (WO + ZWO)

[rain void]

And image small galaxies that jwst/hst has already images is just the worst of both worlds lmfao

[cold moon]

I never said M31 doesn't look good

[rain void]

No but I mean it's not an argument for small galaxies at all

Not specifically compared to m31

Just anything

[cerulean elm]

M31 looks good when is finally done in a unique way. A little of extra something on it.

[cold moon]

It's just boring to me, small galaxies are usually more interesting just because you don't see them as often, and the size matters for that, it's what discourages people

[undone sinew]

no actually its a proven fact that more red on your setup means better images automatically

[cold moon]

Overpriced too

[undone sinew]

Zwo axiom

[cerulean elm]

How about gold

[rain void]

I mean you can choose not to image it because it's so popular, but what people choose to do doesn't make the galaxy boring, maybe just boring to see again

[cerulean elm]

Yep. Mediocre equipment at a premium price... sounds like Audi

[cold moon]

This is only true for p1

[cerulean elm]

Hold my beer and don't drool son🤣

[brisk copper]

[cerulean elm]

😉

[brisk copper]

you got the red and i got the blue

infrared?

[cerulean elm]

Mine is red because I assigned the IR to the red😅

[brisk copper]

i assigned ir to blue and orange!

[cerulean elm]

Plus... IRGB stars are just 🥵 🤤

[brisk copper]

irir stars are decent too

[fallen obsidian]

getting a mono 585 but player one, did consider the artemis m

[low lance]

Already got the mono 585

Game changer for light pollution

[fallen obsidian]

as someone in a bortle 7-8, I feel reassured

[low lance]

Mainly because you won't get dumb rainbow backgrounds unlike in OSC also you can do narrowband now

Here is what i mean by rainbow background

[violet tinsel]

get off polls hop on mc

[low lance]

Yeah yeah give me a sec

[violet tinsel]

maybe if you tried dithering

[low lance]

Not a dithering issue

The issue is there even in short untracked subs

[violet tinsel]

think its better to just use an example that isnt covered in walking noise then you can see it better]

[low lance]

Its a debayering issue

[violet tinsel]

im seeing colour and brightness shifts near bright stars that look a hell of a lot like BG extraction issues

send me the stack

[low lance]

Its not

Anyways

This was literally unguided

[violet tinsel]

saturation boosted without isolating the background

[fallen obsidian]

nice, just fix the bg and colors

[violet tinsel]

scroll up lol

[fallen obsidian]

oh lol

I also want to use the uranus m pro for some nir

[low lance]

That's the problem i dont have to do that with mono camera i dont have to use fancy processing techniques

[low lance]

I got you 200s NIR in b9

[fallen obsidian]

what scope

[low lance]

Quattro 150p

[fallen obsidian]

8"?

was planning on an 8" f/4

[low lance]

Yeah 6 inches is kind of small ngl

Especially in light pollution

And detail resolving

[fallen obsidian]

really depends on what you can afford

I got a ragdoll 17 so I decided to get an 8

[low lance]

Also look this is with a mono camera now there is some rainbowness remaining but thats because of stupid dust motes on the filter if you look closely they look like donuts

Still a 6 inch just more cropped

[low lance]

Nice

[low lance]

Hmh i was thinking of getting an HEQ5 for my next mount but this one seems a lot better

[late summit]

I don't listening metal music, in my mind is something like: guitar riff - screams - guitar riff - screams and loop it
this is the same thing that people used to say about classic rock btw

don't blindly agree with a stereotype made by boomers listen to metal and make your own opinion

[zealous cloak]

This doesnt have anything to do with OSC

There are awesome OSC images

You just have bad flats/gradient correction

[low lance]

Not from B9

[zealous cloak]

By Zegery, OSC, B9

[low lance]

Like you can obviously do good images if its bright

[zealous cloak]

I hear excuses

[zealous cloak]

Also thats understretched

Just by looking at it i can tell

[low lance]

Also not to mention my 585 was uncooled

[lofty jetty]

fair

[late summit]

also

i pinged you instead of the other guy lol

my bad

[low lance]

Yeah but still it doesn't have any issues because its bright

[late summit]

meant to ping @devout tinsel

You can absolutely get good images from B9 even OSC, you just need to suffer a lot in the process lol

At least compared to doing it from a lower bortle

[zealous cloak]

Thats debatable but an objects magnitude, surface brightness or whatever you want to use doesnt define if your background is gonna be wack

Thats just calibration issues

[low lance]

Exactly mono just takes some of that pain away

[late summit]

yeah but that's not what you were arguing lol

Hugo has taken my data where I thought I had an unworkable B9 background and showed me that I just had to get good

and I'm mono

[zealous cloak]

MGC/MSGR is a life saver

[ivory mural]

it's like 40% of why i want pix

[devout tinsel]

I may have missed the conversation here, but why am I got ping here?

[late summit]

because I was replying to this

[devout tinsel]

Oh

okay

[late summit]

just pressed the wrong user cus i thought you two were the same

[devout tinsel]

Understood

I listened to some of the Metal that was recommended to me here and surprisingly I even liked it

[delicate lance]

this is just lack of integration

[low lance]

Yeah because its b9

[delicate lance]

B9??

damn

[summer turret]

Where'd you get this from?

[low lance]

Google

[pulsar dagger]

Give some details please, so I can fix before it gets rolled out to more people. Thank you!

[zealous cloak]

Maybe its me that is used to how it was before but on PC I dont like that I have to scroll to zoom in. Also the image becomes pixelated like at x2 zoom, not on my images only but on higher quality ones

[pulsar dagger]

You always had to scroll to zoom, also before this latest change. The difference is that now you have to click and drag to pan, instead of moving the mouse around to pan, which most people have said they prefer. Of course the image becomes pixelated at 2x zoom. The alternative is to apply smoothing. People are equally divided in these two camps.

[zealous cloak]

Ah I always clicked on the image to zoom

Now that I cant I discovered that you can also scroll to zoom

Let me see if I can show you what I mean with the x2 zoom

[pulsar dagger]

You can, still. Click once goes to 100%, clickk again exits.

I know what you mean with the 2x zoom. It's always been like this on mobile too. I need to decide what to do with it because now it's inconsistent depending on image size. < 8k = pixelated above 100%. > 8k = smoothing applied.

I'll probably remove it, because we can't have nice things. People who understand pixels and zooming prefer pixelation because it doesn't make up smoothing. A pixel is an indivisible unit. People who don't understand that (not intuitively, if not explained) will think "pixelated = bad", and I'm afraid the latter group outnumbers the former.

There's a third group, people not understanding even if I explain it, but there's few and far between 🙂

[zealous cloak]

Ah I see

Yeah sorry I haven't looked too much into it

But I get it

The phone "app" works better than ever too

For me at least

[pulsar dagger]

thanks, a few more minor fixes in the pipeline, then I'll deploy a prompt to invite people to install it as an app, so more people can benefit from using it that way

Btw this is 8x with pixelation and without. With pixelation is more honest, because it's true to the data, and that's what I did.

[zealous cloak]

i didnt think much about what you said before you said it to me but now I agree with it

[pulsar dagger]

Great! Now I need to find a way that people don't think "astrobin zoom = bad because I see pixels" when they don't put too much thought behind it

[zealous cloak]

when I said the zoom was fucky I wasnt referring to the pixelation when zooming in, i just thought it was working diferently as I know you are developing a new update regarding zoom

[pulsar dagger]

I'm thinking about adding a toggle next to the zoom level indicator that appears only above 1x but I don't like more UI elements

[zealous cloak]

well a little icon isnt gonna clutter the UI much, imo

[pulsar dagger]

yeah but you know, death by a thousand cuts 🙂

the toggle isn't enough either, I need an info icon too with an explanation

[zealous cloak]

maybe you add the icon and when you click on it it redirects you to astrobin's FAQ?

and you add the explanation there

[pulsar dagger]

once there's an icon, the explanation can be a one sentence in a tooltip, no need to redirect to a page

I was trying to avoid too much stuff, where you have like this: [ ] Smoothen (i)

I can get rid of the X by having a little tooltip appear temporarily after you change the toggle.

That should solve it.

[pulsar dagger]

Okay I have written the code for the Smoothen toggle. Will deploy it after christmas tho, so I don't have to fix it on christmas day in case it doesn't work on some edge case

[fallen obsidian]

get mount

[brisk copper]

ive already said thats coming first

im making sure i got a list so i know what to upgrade next

[ivory mural]

brain

[brisk copper]

the list will be in my brain yea

[ivory mural]

add brain to upgrade list

[brisk copper]

why :(

[ivory mural]

idk

[brisk copper]

wow

bully

[ivory mural]

youre welcome

[brisk copper]

:c

[urban quiver]

none

[ivory mural]

why would you abolish analytical ai

[restive fiber]

I would not .

Because it is useful

[lofty jetty]

Is stellarium a website?

Anyway, its hard to decide between astrobin and astronomy.tools

[dreamy cloak]

Its a Website and a program

[lofty jetty]

I didn't realize it had a website side of it (other than the downloader)

[dreamy cloak]

That happens

[fossil temple]

Stellarium for me. Since I don't have guiding I rely on it for star hopping

[tiny lintel]

this graph is shit

[low lance]

Wdym

[cerulean elm]

I feel like the difference between B1 and B4 should be much steeper

[low lance]

But there isn't

B4 starts at 20.9 to 21.6 and b1 is just 22 not that much difference

[analog jolt]

bortle is an obsolete measurement, also light pollution depends on a lot of factors related to the atmosphere

also wouldn't trust this graph considering its from cloudynights

[low lance]

Yeah those numbers assume perfect conditions

[analog jolt]

which is why its not valid....

[low lance]

Well give me one better I'll gladly use it

[analog jolt]

thats the issue.... you cannot produce such graph

"exposure hours" is not a valid measure for anything since it depends on too many variables

[tiny lintel]

The percentage is shit the graph is shit
Bortle scale is subjective

if anything you should correlate SQM to limiting magnitude or SNR

[tiny lintel]

no those numbers are just made up

they mean nothing

[analog jolt]

this is the source

[tiny lintel]

the person doesnt know what hes talking about

[analog jolt]

seems like highly subjective lmao

[tiny lintel]

again use sqm and magnitude or snr

Bortle is a subjective scale he can use any numbers as he wishes so can you

[low lance]

Well it's not that much different from what i have observed

[analog jolt]

i cannot seem to find how the graph was produced in the first place

it could be accurate up to a point, but nothing very scientific out of there

[low lance]

By bortle i mean SQM they use the skies SQM that correlats to that skies Bortle scale and use that

[analog jolt]

exposures must be increased by 2.51x for every decrease in 1 SQM to achieve the same S/N ratio.
found this measure on reddit, don't know the validity but it looks more legit than whatever the graph is

at least it uses the correct measures

[low lance]

Wait google gave me the wrong number it's 20.4-20.6

[tiny lintel]

no, there is no such thing as "sqm that correlates to bortle"

its made up
i can say sqm 22 is bortle 9
and its true

[zealous cloak]

a while ago i measured the PSF SNR of two 600s Lum subs, one obtained from SQM= 20.8 and one from SQM= 18.5 (measured in the zenith) and the one taken from sqm= 18.5 retained 2.78% of the PSF SNR of the other one

[analog jolt]

bortle have a semi "official" correlation to SQM, but you are right by saying its subjective

found this website @low lance that could be interesting http://www.tools.sharpcap.co.uk/

it also calculates for narrowband, which is quite neat

[low lance]

Ooh that is useful

[tiny lintel]

its made up and has correlation to "feel of darkeness by a old man"

[restive fiber]

Still going

[ivory mural]

are you rich or poor

[low lance]

More like are you rich or less rich

[marble hearth]

Dslrs are not that expensive 🙏

[low lance]

Fair but the mount sure is and pretty much everything else

[marble hearth]

True

[cerulean elm]

RC8 vs 8" Newtonian

[delicate lance]

Fair

[dreamy cloak]

i am legally obligated to not comment on this

[obsidian plover]

I'm not rich I just worked my ass off for a couple months at a minimum wage job

[zealous cloak]

thomas behaviour right here

[delicate lance]

im just angry at pix glazers because it turns out to not be that good

[zealous cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[urban quiver]

I’d agree with the seeing but not for planetary and lunar

It don’t matter as much for DSOS

[cerulean elm]

It has a faster more intuitive workflow compared to siril.
That's its biggest sale point.

[woeful ivy]

phone

[delicate lance]

Yeah for sure but

its not "the best upgrade you could ever do for 300 bucks"

[ivory mural]

so osc

[ivory mural]

I forgot about the people who say that

Changing my vote

[analog jolt]

i cannot imagine a world where post processing is better in siril

tho siril is in my opinion far better at stacking

[shadow heath]

It's just a lack of imagination :).

[summer turret]

skill issue.

[swift heart]

3 nm bandpass can limit H-alpha data collection for galaxies beyond about 30 Mly away – relevant if I want to capture the M90 jellyfish

[swift heart]

I feel like standards for great eyepieces may be a little too high tbh...maybe I'm biased because I have only owned one telescope faster than f/8 and eyepieces have fewer demands at that relative aperture

And that one is the f/5.6 Mak which is more so an oddity than a regular visual instrument

[woeful ivy]

nah but lit it after everyone imaged it

before that, prepare marinade beef ribs

and share food

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galbi

i like putting tables around grill

or put grill in table

[brisk copper]

jeblyfish

[brisk copper]

i already use linux :3

ive been using it for 5 years now :3

[wise mason]

you wouldnt upcycle a stolen dell 3100

[urban quiver]

Or maybe mono

[undone sinew]

My only issue with switching to linux is that im scared a lot of things that i use on windows will be incompatible when i switch

[urban quiver]

dual boot it and test first

[undone sinew]

Pixinsight + BlurX + EAF and you still might have cash left over

[undone sinew]

I might try it out on a vm to see if its my thing

[urban quiver]

yea but like. do i really wanna buy pix...

[undone sinew]

I mean i dont know if its good but if every nerd and meganerd here says its a good upgrade then i guess i can say its a good upgrade

[woeful ivy]

buy food

[ivory mural]

I would wait until your rig is physically complete

[woeful ivy]

bread taste better than mirror when microwaved

[urban quiver]

it is tho

What am I missing

[ivory mural]

you said in that poll you're missing an eaf

[urban quiver]

well that’s cheap and like, do I really need one for my rc?

I got one for my Askar

[ivory mural]

if it's compatible with your rcs focuser and easy to move between the two then no

[delicate lance]

no.

[delicate lance]

mono

[urban quiver]

it’s a bit of a hassle to move it, especially since I’d have to change the steps and stuff

[urban quiver]

I’d have to sell my 533 first

1600mm maybe?

[ivory mural]

i would get another eaf then

[delicate lance]

mm no

[ivory mural]

they aren't expensive either, could get an eaf and pix

[delicate lance]

the ATR585M set is like 920 USD when its not on sale

[ivory mural]

i would not buy blurx though, for two reasons

[urban quiver]

yea I can get an EAF whenever tbh. I think I’m gonna wait til I use the rc6 first though

[urban quiver]

BlurX is the only reason I want pix

[urban quiver]

No

585 is off the table

[ivory mural]

1, blurx thread is a thing
2, blurx creator is not a good person

[urban quiver]

What’s wrong with the guy

[delicate lance]

what?

[ivory mural]

ive heard most of the money he gets from blurx goes to scientology

[urban quiver]

Too small

[urban quiver]

I don’t think he gives most of the money, and either way, he’s free to believe in that if he wants

I think it’s a sham, but its his money

[delicate lance]

https://tenor.com/view/pourquoi-mrbean-what-gif-9716871966585828415

[urban quiver]

Yep

[delicate lance]

scientology is a cult based upon ripping people off

[urban quiver]

Especially with my rc6 no thanks

[urban quiver]

I agree….

[ivory mural]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

[urban quiver]

I know about Scientology

It’s a scam. I know

[ivory mural]

go to controversies

[urban quiver]

I know

[ivory mural]

it is so much more than a scam

[urban quiver]

I know

[urban quiver]

The 585 would be crazy over samples with my rc6. The 533 is already oversampled. It’s just way too small for that

I need a 533 minimum

1600mm or 294mm probably

[delicate lance]

a 492 doesnt fit your budget lol

[urban quiver]

I said a 294 not 492

[delicate lance]

you donut

the 492 is the mono 294

its a slightly different sensor

the "asi294mm" has the IMX492

[urban quiver]

yap yap yap

[delicate lance]

okay dude atp youre just saying words

[urban quiver]

I saw a 1600mm for $500

[ivory mural]

highly respectful conversation

[urban quiver]

laughing is fun

[ivory mural]

i saw that

[urban quiver]

a 1600mm is probably a good choice

They’re basically identical

[delicate lance]

also for your information mr genius the IMX492 has 2.3um pixels

[delicate lance]

..what

[urban quiver]

does it now

[delicate lance]

yes.

if youd do any RESEARCH youd KNOW THAT

[urban quiver]

I’ve seen comparisons, extremely hard to tell which is which

[delicate lance]

that doesnt make them the same sensor or even similar 😭

[urban quiver]

I said basically identical not actually identical

results are nearly identical

[delicate lance]

..theyre not.

[urban quiver]

Anyways, the point is, the 585 is not an option

[delicate lance]

you need different integrations, cali frames and so forth to get identical results

[woeful ivy]

🥵

[ivory mural]

orion

neb

[woeful ivy]

my best result

[ivory mural]

vro

how

[woeful ivy]

phone

no scope

[ivory mural]

my worst phone ap result isn't that bad

💔

[urban quiver]

@ivory mural eaf ready no?

[ivory mural]

I think so

My 3d printed phone case just exploded while writing that

[urban quiver]

I think il need to use it first

See where focus lines up

[ivory mural]

still haven't?

[urban quiver]

ive only had 2 clear nights since getting the thing and ive been trying to get my mount ready for it

[ivory mural]

I feel the pain

I've had my coma corrector for months

Haven't gotten a chance to use it once

[urban quiver]

I got decent guiding last time i setup, but i got trails in every sub

like 0.6-0.7" WELL below my res but still trails

so thats fun

@ivory mural idk how it was guiding

this was wild

the guide scope wasnt anywhere close to focus, and i didnt align it to my main scope, which i think is why i had trails

does that make sense?

[ivory mural]

what the hell am i looking at

did you image inside the eye of a hurricane

[ivory mural]

well ofc you'd have trails

[urban quiver]

i didnt think i had to at 490mm FL

[urban quiver]

it had an internal reflection i guess

[ivory mural]

a couple million internal reflections

[urban quiver]

it got worse as my target went down

[ivory mural]

this looks like a cloud

[urban quiver]

no clouds

and it all went away when i swapped targets

[brisk copper]

get a 10" hehheh

[cold moon]

Don't buy BlurX please, and neither an AsiAir

[urban quiver]

The asiair one was a meme,

but BlurX is a big possibility

[delicate lance]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disgust-gif-14056253443273255719

[brisk copper]

:/

[summer turret]

what did blurx do to you

[brisk copper]

(give your reason not to if you choose no)

[ivory mural]

1min per panel

[brisk copper]

i will add more data when possible

[restive fiber]

still going

[summer turret]

🚮

[brisk copper]

492🤤

[cerulean elm]

And bonus ampglow

[delicate lance]

The 492 actually has less Ampglow than the 294

[cerulean elm]

Less doesn't mean better. No amplglow is better

[delicate lance]

The 585 has amp glow in specific conditions

[cerulean elm]

What condition

[silver holly]

So does the IMX533.

[summer turret]

youll only get amp glow if you really try to get it, otherwise you wont

[delicate lance]

yes

[delicate lance]

Apparently sensor heat.

Topcode also said his 585 has ampglow at 20m darks (when stretched a LOT)

[cerulean elm]

What a surprise. I have exactly a 23 minute long exposure to deny that statement

[delicate lance]

mmmm did you stretch it to shit

Also the important question is

How, the FLIP, are you getting 23m subs???

The wave 150 can’t be THAT good

[cerulean elm]

There's your proof

[cerulean elm]

I set 1400s exposure and click expose

[delicate lance]

Does wind not exist for you??

I gotta get guiding and rival you

[cerulean elm]

It does

[summer turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[cerulean elm]

Oh really

[delicate lance]

my heq5 is on crack already

i can rock 5m subs easily supposing low wind speeds

and it dithers for me

without guiding mind you

it has great motivation

[cerulean elm]

I want to max out my camera exposure time

[delicate lance]

get a camera lens adapter and put like a 30mm lens on your cam

5 hour subs

🗣️

[delicate lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248873743116140586/1273203966024487003/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

crazy

dude youre always two steps ahead of me

[cerulean elm]

I hate when people challenge me

[delicate lance]

For a better eyepiece I’d probably get a redline 20mm and for a Barlow I’d get a seben 3x ed apo Barlow

[low lance]

That looks like light leak more than amp glow

[delicate lance]

It was in a non-lit room with dustcap on and blanket over it

And that does look like amp glow since its not always that localised, star-like shine

[low lance]

What was the camera temp

[delicate lance]

30 C i believe

[low lance]

Thats what i thought

It's glow from the heat of the sensor

Not the circuitry

[delicate lance]

dude at 30c sensors dont glow nearly bright enough to even put a single photon on the sensor again with a reflection

[low lance]

Yeah they do why do you think dark current exists

[delicate lance]

oh my lord

[low lance]

Well dark current is both an excitation of the electron in the pixel and light from the sensor itself

[delicate lance]

thermal noise and reflected thermal light of the sensor is FAR from the same

[low lance]

Bro literally old amp glow used to be heat from the circuitry

[delicate lance]

you claimed the amp glow there is heat from the sensor, not the circuitry, now youre saying its from the circuitry 😭

[low lance]

Like the NIR light emitted by the analog to digital converter chip

[low lance]

Well something doesn't make sense here Mr prickles has a cooled imx585 and doesn't have amp glow at 23min sub but you have one in your uncooled 20 min sub so either the edge of the sensor is much hotter than the center causing a different rate of dark current resulting in a "glow" or its some sort of light entering the camera chamber either from the sensor or from outside I'm gonna go with the first option since if light was entering the edges would look like they have less noise not more

[brisk copper]

guys, why do your amp glow when mine makes sound????

[brisk copper]

buh

[ivory mural]

@mint talon

[mint talon]

:(

[dreamy cloak]

Setup time itself is about 10-15 mins, but getting the scope to Ambient temperature Takes so long

[woeful ivy]

same setup time

cos tripod

[fallen obsidian]

dont really do a pa thingy

[silver holly]

Take cover off mount, place scope on mount, plug in power cable, Ethernet cable and USB cable.
Turn PC on.
Takes like 45 seconds, most of which is spent carrying the scope from inside.

[ivory mural]

you use a harmonic?

[silver holly]

Eq6r.

[ivory mural]

how are you balancing it that fast

[silver holly]

The counterweights stay on the mount.

[obsidian plover]

pier's are wonderful things

mine cost like 250 bucks and it was pretty easy to make

[silver holly]

pier is are wonderful things

Even with the tripod setup time was similar. Maybe the occasional polar alignment.

[low lance]

It takes me an hour bro