Polls 5.0

[mint talon]

ok

[brisk copper]

i think we should stop now

[mint talon]

same

[tiny lintel]

@split tinsel

https://tenor.com/view/dance-hammertime-mc-hammer-gif-352549262400188015

[brisk copper]

nu

[woeful ivy]

the joke is that theres no andromeda galaxy visible on my pic

it should be there

but no

[ivory mural]

he was talking about the whole thread being filled with people putting their name on it

[split tinsel]

@brisk copper @mint talon we can stop now. If I have to bring it up again, there will be timeouts

[woeful ivy]

ohh

[woeful ivy]

how

[woeful ivy]

ok so?

why not put a tiny mask on it so it blocks the light from it

[cerulean elm]

That's not how telescopes work. You can not just block part of the aperture and remove an object from the frame. There are coronagraphs but those focus mainly on the star observed. And as far as I'm aware of there are no consumer grade star coronagraphs. None that any of us can afford atleast.

[woeful ivy]

damn

sorry i might be dumb

[ivory mural]

Just put a dot with a sharpie on the sensor

[cold moon]

Well you can block the image instead of the aperture, but literally why bother lol

[glacial bear]

I try

[summer turret]

Tbh ive not used davinci

[brisk copper]

10" rct

[rain void]

except you only get higher angular resolution if the seeing allows it

[tiny lintel]

I did not want to go into more specifics but lets assume the seeing can support it.

[mint talon]

wish granted, rct is f40

[brisk copper]

browi does this often, best to ignore

-# (they are salty about their bad section of atmosphere )

[ivory mural]

in that case bottom option is so much better

[tiny lintel]

I never said the faster telescope is not sampled to 10" diffraction limit.

[cerulean elm]

Don't forget to who you just said that to

[fallen obsidian]

what is kvass

[brisk copper]

drimk

fermented stale bread usually

[fallen obsidian]

Ive made that when i tried to make pizza dough

I let it rise for 24hrs and it smelled like vodka

[brisk copper]

not quite 😭

unless it was a liquid

[devout tinsel]

100% you need to do it

Kvass is very good

[brisk copper]

i dont have any of the bread you meant to use so im using store bought brown bread

[devout tinsel]

Oh, you will make it yourself?

It's cool

[brisk copper]

yea, i cant buy any near me

so i have to make myself xD

[brisk copper]

why did callo and hero put no 😭

@urban quiver @marble hearth explain thyself!!!

[devout tinsel]

Niiiice, kvass is amazing thing

[brisk copper]

i will find out

in like 3 days

xD

[devout tinsel]

Share your progress

It's really cool

[brisk copper]

i think ill ferment for 3 days

then maybe add orange peel for orangey flaver

for 2 days

after straining out the bead

[brisk copper]

(ill do taste beforehand

[woeful ivy]

i love democracy

[summer turret]

yea na i would move on

[devout tinsel]

I'd rather kill myself than do this shit again

[ivory mural]

this doesnt specify a scope, you dont need to use something with painfully high focal length

could do it without a scope

[low lance]

Isnt that alcoholic drink

[low lance]

I think you added a bit too much sugar and the smell was from ethanol aka alcohol same stuff in vodka

[fallen obsidian]

I think I let it rise for too long, I made it again but let it rise for 2hrs and it came out much better

[low lance]

A mix of both really

[ivory mural]

whatevers cheaper

[fallen obsidian]

apeteura has 3mm more apeture for 10 more bucks

[ivory mural]

its nothing

ignore that extra 3mm

[glacial bear]

Hmm.

A = π x r^2
r = 0.5d

plugging in.

For 200mm
r = 100mm
100mm ^2 = 10,000
10,000π = 31,415.9265mm

For 203mm
r = 101.5mm
101.5 ^2 = 10,302.25
10,302.25π = 32,365.4729mm

32,365.4729 - 31,415.9265 = 949.5464mm

Approximately 1m in area difference between the two sizes.

Hilariously, the 203mm is roughly 3% more area than the 200mm ... which somehow in my mind tracks. 🤷

Even more hilarious is that near-meter of difference in area is around a circumference of 628.3185mm. Seems like the overall "around" circumference would be adding somewhere between a half and a third of a mm all the way around, which is near-imperceptible to the human eye, and certainly most people.

@fallen obsidian, what I'm saying is, in the end, Grand is right. Between the two, get the OTA that has better quality optics.

That was my recreational math session for the night, thank you for the opportunity.

[rain void]

...a meter of area???

My guy that's 950 mm^2 or about 3cm by 3cm

[brisk copper]

barely

[low lance]

Option C: ioptron RC 8

[marble hearth]

I hate kvass :(

[brisk copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794651916646350859/1442153300991672414/F483B163-ECF3-4123-A83C-0160F658825F.gif

[void jolt]

disliking kvass is a crime

[marble hearth]

My Lithuanian ancestors would not approve

[glacial bear]

Whoops I got cm and mm mixed up. Recreational math past midnight goof

[glacial bear]

Yeah that makes sense. Somewhere in my brain the mental image was disconnected from the numbers and the part responsible for catching the mm vs cm thing had gone to bed.

[fallen obsidian]

which one would you say has better optical quality

[glacial bear]

I'm familiar with Apertura as a decent brand, and that's where the votes are going.

I don't know about iOptron optics. I would hope that it's about the same. However, I know of the brand by the mount I have from them, not their OTA.

[cerulean elm]

I did not know that iOptron makes telescopes 🫠
And if thy just started, it's a high possibility is just a rebranded GSO

Wait. iOptron or Omegon?

[glacial bear]

They do.

https://www.ioptron.com/category-s/128.htm

[cerulean elm]

Those are GSOs

TS-Optics and Omegon have the same exact truss RCTs, closed tube RCT, and newtonians😂

[cerulean elm]

[cerulean elm]

Thanks discord 💀

[glacial bear]

The real question is: are they any good?

[tiny lintel]

its GSO

...

[brisk copper]

they good

their rct mirrors are weirdly high quality

[brisk copper]

it currently tastes weird, may have also added too much sugar

can defo taste bread in it tho

[tiny lintel]

ahahahah

nice one

[cold moon]

They are ok for the price tbh, they are required to have a certain strehl value (I'm aware that strehl is really not the best method to assess the quality of a mirror, but still).

[cerulean elm]

Eeeehmmmm... define high quality

[tiny lintel]

just get a newt, 99% of RC users dont have the seeing for it anyways..

[cerulean elm]

Big fat f4 newtonian, reduce it. Perfect sampling with massive aperture

[cold moon]

It's more about the big corrected field without the need to use correctors, but yes newts are very good as well

[cold moon]

Slap the Nexus on that and make it a fat F/3 beast

[tiny lintel]

no

you need a corrector

and im yet to see people buy 6200MMs for their 8" GSO RC

[tiny lintel]

terrible reducer if you think of pure quality

[cerulean elm]

With a Q250P unreduced, you can still beat an RC😂

So reducing it is optional. How much bad glass ypu want to add between the mirrors and the sensor. A Good CC and knowing when to shoot probably is the best mix

[tiny lintel]

and a Q250P aint really a great newt either

its ok, and good for the price

[cerulean elm]

Good price for aperture. I know that the construction is poor. But the optics are good

[cold moon]

What newt/corrector pair would you suggest around the 10" size? Possibly without spending a kidney, let's say 3500€ range

[tiny lintel]

https://www.teleskop-express.de/en/telescopes-4/newtonian-telescopes-315/newtonians-other-313/orion-uk-ct10-ultra-newtonian-10-f-4-8-carbon-tube-1-10-lambda-2549

probably the best bet

[tiny lintel]

did you just ask if we would rather be
near death
kinda where we are right now
frozen to death
nothing but death

[marble hearth]

forgetting the fact that i can bring a powerseeker with me

[cold moon]

Thank you

[swift heart]

I've tested my RC out of necessity (had to fix the mirror spacing) and it's probably around 1/10 wave or so

[tiny lintel]

wavefront or surface level?

[swift heart]

wavefront

[tiny lintel]

at what aperture ?

[swift heart]

8"

[tiny lintel]

Yeah well to test that you would need like 0,3" seeing, and thats below the diffraction limit...

[swift heart]

You don't need that. You can just test if the intrafocal and extrafocal diffraction patterns are identical with an eyepiece

[tiny lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-anime-gif-21672916

[swift heart]

I mean if you want a Ronchigram I can build a Ronchi eyepiece

I have a grating for it that I need to assemble

You don't need perfect seeing to evaluate the correction

[tiny lintel]

Our eyes cannot see 0.1 λ

[swift heart]

Yeah, they absolutely can.

[cold moon]

Foucault's knife edge test is a bit more quantitative

[swift heart]

I could do that as long as I don't need to disassemble the scope

[cold moon]

You do unfortunately

[swift heart]

Yeah I was gonna say if you want the absolute correction you would need both conics

[swift heart]

Wait are you talking about peak to valley wavefront error or RMS wavefront error

[cold moon]

What about a corrector? I've found multiple candidates but I'm curious to know which ones you believe are best; I doubt I'll go bigger than APS-C any time soon, so that's about the corrected field size I'd like

[tiny lintel]

RMS

[tiny lintel]

best to ask Orion UK themselves

[cerulean elm]

@dreamy cloak Has a Ronchi eyepiece. He said it didn't help with anything

Nothing beats interferometry

[swift heart]

If I could afford that

Perhaps I'll put together such a setup in the future

[cerulean elm]

50/50 beam splitter. Good reference mirror, some tubes and a camera

I think you gen get them all for like 200$ from aliexpress

[swift heart]

1/10 wave RMS is difficult to spot (though possible) but that's why I cited that number as an upper bound on the wavefront error

[swift heart]

Oh, perhaps not out of the question

[cerulean elm]

Wait... λ = ?

[swift heart]

reference wavelength of light

usually 550 nm depending on the optics

it matters less with an all-reflecting setup

[dreamy cloak]

Mainly the Problem i was facing with Mine was that the lines were too close to each other i think

[cerulean elm]

I assume the wavefront will be different at λ = 500nm compared to λ = 800nm

[swift heart]

yeah it'll be better at 800 because it's just not as sensitive

[cerulean elm]

Wavelengths are longer so small imperfections are not affecting the light

[tiny lintel]

not possible, not visually

[swift heart]

Yeah it is, seriously. Just try it.

It's actually easier to test visually

Because you're not averaging out seeing effects and can get a better idea of what the defocused patterns actually look like

[tiny lintel]

No further comments from me, its pointless.

[cerulean elm]

Hear me out. Conjugated infinite point source of light. I was working on such projects before I got scammed with some pinholes

This was the rough idea

[swift heart]

I need to look into interferometric setups now

for reference, here is what 1/10 wave spherical aberration looks like when you're 1/2 wave defocused (top) and 1 wave defocused (bottom)

and that's with 47% obstruction, which actually makes it harder to spot

[cerulean elm]

the one that i showed you, that's not interferometry. that's just a way to dim and reduce the size of a source of light so it appear more like a star. also it will make it into a diverging beam which will be collimated by another optical system before being sent into the tested telescope.

[swift heart]

the trick for making this apparent is to smoothly move in and out of focus, because then the different radial focus zones of the mirror will become evident (you bring the outer part of the mirror to focus at one side, then the inner part on the other side).

It's not as apparent as 1/10 wave RMS astigmatism, coma, or trefoil, but it's feasible to do by eye with a high power eyepiece

[swift heart]

Oh I figured, but still, it sounds fun

[cerulean elm]

idk if it would actually work, but worth testing XD

[brisk copper]

its so easy to see visually (notice diff)

its goated for planetary visual

(if seeing allows)

[marble hearth]

Europa the prettiest imo

[woeful ivy]

#1087219932900638720 message

[plucky vigil]

I wanna try phone ap but guided

[woeful ivy]

thankfully theres 2 no votes

hopefully i dont have to sacrifice it

[glacial bear]

That reads "I want to needlessly make things hard to do and capture no image"

[woeful ivy]

yes

nothing would change

[low lance]

Bruh phone ap is like super easy

Sure your images won't look super good (unless you got a xiaomi) but still looks alright

[glacial bear]

Nah. Can't stack, can't get details on Mars, Jupiter's way too bright to get anything other than a huge dot, and you can't image the ice giants either. Lucky to get Saturn and the moon. Can't bring out details in any of the nebula because you can't stack, images are too compressed to work with.

[low lance]

Who said you cant stack images

[glacial bear]

Me, who tried phone AP

[low lance]

There is literally a app made so that the photos taken by your phone are saved as raw files and not jpeg

[low lance]

Then you didn't try it properly

What phone did yiu use

[glacial bear]

There is literally no setting on the phone that would let me get a decent image.

Samsung S17, iPhone SE, iPhone 11, iPhone 14

Oh and one of the Samsung J series phones.

One of the "lower" smartphones. Then the various Flagship phone versions.

So ...

🤷

But I could get decent stuff with a DSLR. And probably my new mirrorless. Definitely with the planetary cam I have now. 🙂

[low lance]

Yeah no those phones have terrible lens quality and not to mention Samsung phones are riddled with noise

But thats not to say you cant get a half decent image from them half decent considering they are phones

Like i said tho if you want good images you need a xiaomi

[glacial bear]

Maybe if Jupiter came through as something other than a bright blob of light they could do halfway decent. But it doesn't, so the notion falls flat right at that point.

[low lance]

Yeah but it's not made for planetary it doesn't have anywhere near enough focal lenght and a binoculars and you can take a picture of jupiter itself like here is saturns rings with that setup and my phone

[woeful ivy]

yes decent image is hard

but u can stack bad images

[ivory mural]

i use a Samsung s20

$150 phone

certainly not amazing but it works

[woeful ivy]

i also use samsung phone

[ivory mural]

Which

[woeful ivy]

idk

24

[ivory mural]

much better than mine

your data is a lot better too it just needs better processing

[woeful ivy]

how much better tho? idk the exact model

i forgot

[ivory mural]

any s24 is better

my image of the same region is sending but wifi ass

oh one sent

other one failed

ok there other one sent

[woeful ivy]

@ivory mural

fake ahh moon tho

[ivory mural]

why watermark

[woeful ivy]

idk

i forgor the reason

[brisk copper]

orr, maybe just enable shoot in raw on ur phone???

[low lance]

Not available in every phone

[low lance]

Sometimes it's soo bad that i go months and months without being able to do astro

[glacial bear]

Tom's answer is the last one. Even if it isn't, doesn't matter, he has something on his equip that disperses the clouds and settles the atmosphere when he's imaging.

[glacial bear]

Looking at your images I'm starting to think that my thought of how phone AP works is different than how what people actually do when they're saying "phone AP."

[undone sinew]

nasa turns off the weather machines when he starts imaging

[split light]

My pfp was taken with my mom's phone haha

[restive fiber]

open

[rain void]

we need an even worse option for me and @marble hearth , which includes >90% humidity every day, if not straight up foggy :(

[undone sinew]

Hey at least your telescope gets a free shower

[vagrant basin]

Don't underestimate phone ap

[brisk copper]

phone ap ass

[vagrant basin]

Naw

[brisk copper]

maybe if you removed the lens

[vagrant basin]

Maybe if you done it right

[low lance]

No the sensor is asssss

[brisk copper]

and used the bare sensor for ap

[brisk copper]

plandt sebnsor

[low lance]

Especially if its samsung

[brisk copper]

like 1up pixled

[vagrant basin]

The sensor is mid i can agree w that but you van get crazy results

[low lance]

Seriously their sensors are a crime against photography with the amount of noise they have

[brisk copper]

theres a reason they perma 4x binned lmao

yes its 50mp

but only about 12.5 is the actual num

[vagrant basin]

Dude i took this through sh seeing in B5 30min

Mid budget phone aswell

Stars were mid icl but there is potential

You lot silent now😂

[low lance]

Like just look how much noise there is and this is in day time with proper exposure

Like its just absurd

[vagrant basin]

I can agree w noise but it's easily fixable with calibrations

The noise can be hefty

[low lance]

Not this type of noise

Because its read noise

[vagrant basin]

Is this raw?

[low lance]

Yup

[vagrant basin]

Why would yiu take a day pic in raw

[low lance]

More flexibility and besides id rather look at a noisy image than one that looks ai generated

[vagrant basin]

Fairs but post processing makes up for the noise

[low lance]

Because of the absurd amount of noise reduction samsung has to do to make their images look even remotely alright

[vagrant basin]

Samsung is greedy when it comes to sensors your better off getting a xioami

[low lance]

Like i said the only good sensors are the ones made by sony xiaomi is the only good phone camera manufacturer

[vagrant basin]

I can agree w that a lot

[low lance]

Because they use good lenses and good sensors made by sony

[vagrant basin]

But most of the time it somewhat don't matter what phone you have you js need to know what your doing

[marble hearth]

....like tonight 😭

[low lance]

One problem with xioami is the fact that they are a Chinese company so by law they are required to share their data to the Chinese government why do you think they are banned in north America

So i wouldn't recommend using their phones on a day to day basis unless you root the phone

[brisk copper]

sony phones enter the chat:

[brisk copper]

i think best phone is pixel + graphene

[low lance]

Idk how good the lens quality is

[vagrant basin]

Xiaomi js an example

[fallen obsidian]

what scope

[glacial bear]

I have a Canon mirrorless camera not a Sony. Can't complain about their sensors and lenses.

But that's a camera not a phone

[low lance]

Cannon sensors have all sorts of problems

[low lance]

Sensor size has no effect on quality of an image wasoever sensor architecture pixel size and processing hardware on the other hand absolutely do at least when it comes to astro with normal photography larger sensor have a deeper depth of field

[glacial bear]

So "not necessarily an ideal astro cam." But great for the purpose I bought it.

Then again, don't underestimate Canon ... the same sensor on a different camera got this image.

[woeful ivy]

phew

yessss

[woeful ivy]

i dont even know my images are what normal ppl phone AP

[glacial bear]

Oh well then.

[ivory mural]

Do you even have a mirror to fry

I don't remember you having a scope

[cerulean elm]

All the above

[marble hearth]

Black wires on black gear helps hide them

[elfin zinc]

Oh yeah, good luck sorting those out.

[marble hearth]

I mean it's all sorted and works, just lots and lots of excess wire... I need shorter cables 😭

[elfin zinc]

Zip ties don't sound like a bad idea now haha

[marble hearth]

I used wire velcro... 😩

[elfin zinc]

Lighter, melt the cables, fuse the copper, issue fixed

[tiny lintel]

just buy custom lenght USB cables jeez

[marble hearth]

yes yesss 😭

[tiny lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-idea-several-options-terrible-options-gif-13867575

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/newt-rally-newt-rally-lgmbldm-gif-18173971

[cerulean elm]

The options are. Slow, acceptable and stupendesly slow
Easy to choose

[tiny lintel]

slow and small, average, big but slow

[undone sinew]

10” sct because it has the highest resell value and i could do whatever i want with the money

[cerulean elm]

I'd go with the newtonian all the time😂

[dreamy cloak]

🟤 Brown astro-, and guide-cam

[vagrant basin]

Sw 150 750

Newtonian

[split light]

I forgot brown existedb

[fallen obsidian]

makes me want to shoot m106

[swift heart]

RGB gamer scope gang

[swift heart]

They forgot gold

[woeful ivy]

where none

[ivory mural]

your phone is not transparent

[bronze minnow]

o

[lofty jetty]

hell no

though, does that mean that I am stuck permanently at untracked phone ap or I can upgrade?

[ivory mural]

can buy whatever you want as long as the mount is untracked and the camera is a phone

can even go to the extreme and remove your phones lens to have a bare sensor

[lofty jetty]

oh

i keep my answer of hell no

[ivory mural]

everyone is doubting phone ap

it's not that bad

[lofty jetty]

unless you have @somber belfry powers, it's shit

[ivory mural]

he doesn't have powers he has experience

it isn't shit

[somber belfry]

i have been summoned

[ivory mural]

as with any rig you have to learn how to use it

what a shocker

[somber belfry]

just practice

[lofty jetty]

i suppose

[glacial bear]

You're working with a generous allowance for "not that bad"

[desert obsidian]

Fake News

Also the earth is a dodecahedron

[bronze minnow]

earth is the 6th hidden platonic solid

[woeful ivy]

what

[bronze minnow]

yes

[woeful ivy]

elaborate

[bronze minnow]

no ❤️

[tall rivet]

If you do it with the same exposure time that cameras and process it the same way, it ends up similar. The rest is just a skill issue

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[tall rivet]

Took this shot at the same time with friends, but everyone processed their own.
3 pics: one shot on a stock A7III, one on an astromodded 6D, and one on a phone.
Same total exposure time, but the cameras used 180s subs and the phone used 20s (fixed tripod).
Guess which is which

[lofty jetty]

[lofty jetty]

First one is the phone?

[cold moon]

Depends on what you want to do

[cerulean elm]

Threathen us that he's gonna buy something 😂

[delicate lance]

Probably end up not buying it like the other 7 times

[brisk copper]

both

flock then baffle

[summer turret]

mono + esprit 100 🔥

[summer turret]

both

[delicate lance]

cant get both for 1200 bucks

[summer turret]

Get more money

More hours at job

[delicate lance]

german laws limit me

ill get mono eventually

[brisk copper]

3rd option:
going outside because of the cold

[bronze minnow]

4th option: knowing when to go outside so you don't get soaked

(by rain)

[delicate lance]

Post-Processing

mainly because the richest astrophotographers ABSOLUTELY SUCK

like they are HORRENDOUS

couldnt process ORION properly at GUNPOINT

[bronze minnow]

20k on the setup and 2 whole seconds processing

[delicate lance]

no

its like 40k on the setup, 4 days of processing refusing to learn how to do it properly

[bronze minnow]

eh 2 seconds and 4 days r close enough

[cerulean elm]

5th option. Understanding the weather patterns and knowing precisely that not every clear night is a good night

[marble hearth]

THIS takes real experience!!!

[ivory mural]

always used first imo

new prices stay, used deals can disappear at any time

[lofty jetty]

real

you may remember this because I mentioned this before, but this is an M31 of a guy with a ~$40k rig

like this data is incredible

but bro

WHY IS IT BLUE/PURPLE AND ORANGE

[summer turret]

people put more effort into getting the data instead of processing it

[ivory mural]

It's rainbow

[lofty jetty]

fr 😭

[low lance]

You have no idea how many times I've seen people do this

Tbh these are the type of people who think spending a crap ton of money will immediately get them the best results

[rain void]

when a clear night is a damn miracle, even bad data is still data 😭

[swift heart]

for context

[rain void]

even nasa oversimplified their logo :( the meatball is so good

[summer turret]

ball

[cerulean elm]

Those nights are just for troubleshooting and experiments. That's what I do. If I predict correctly the seeing that I will get, I'm grinding sharp data all night long. But if the conditions are bad. I just experiment with targets and stuff like that

[swift heart]

I personally feel like both are too iconic and I cannot decide. I do associate the worm with human spaceflight, and per NASA regulations the worm is also official in that context

(It was retired between 1992 and 2020)

[rain void]

can't relate

the meatball is a well designed and recognizable logo, while the worm gets rid of all identity and style

just letters, except the A's are missing the line through them is probably the most basic logo for anything ever

[silver holly]

This isn’t fair because the s30 and pix rig is significantly cheaper lol

You gotta match the value

[urban quiver]

pretend you get a good used deal for the rig

[silver holly]

I’m not pretending anything

[rain void]

with an S30, pix won't help

[swift heart]

You don't see the symbolism in it?

[ivory mural]

who would not take that used deal

[silver holly]

But if it came down to it I’d rather pix and osc over mono and no pix. Any day.

Siril just lacks a lot of mono processing tools. And osc processing tools.

[rain void]

i suppose i don't. What symbolisom is there in red letters on a transparent background?

[swift heart]

The A's were intentionally missing the bar so it resembles the tips of solid rocket boosters

[rain void]

copium

[swift heart]

Apparently the reason the worm was dropped in 1992 was because a good number of employees hated it

[swift heart]

I'm a sucker for a good use of negative space

[rain void]

how will dubious symbolism ever compete with this

tho i guess they were the first to oversimplify their logo ig

that's at least something

[swift heart]

tbh I feel like the worm might be more popular than the meatball in the US at the moment

this despite the general dislike of oversimplified logos

https://nss.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NASA-Worm-Logo-2-.jpg

In this era the US government actually invested in graphic design

(mid 70s)

[lofty jetty]

Fr

[swift heart]

I Feel Personally Attacked by This Relatable Content™

[ivory mural]

Curious to see what everyone else thinks, imo it should be $20

[urban quiver]

One of the main appeals is that it’s open source…. So no

[woeful ivy]

wtf is siril

[urban quiver]

Uhh only the most popular free alternative to Pixinsight?

[ivory mural]

I worded this badly

Meant how much do you think it's worth

[cerulean elm]

If siril will become payware, they just shit themselves in the foot. Because right away people will rather opt for the more expensive pixinsight

[low lance]

Damn

[cold moon]

Oh trust me, after months of clouds every clear night absolutely is a good night

[cold moon]

Meatball but I'm saying this while wearing a hoodie with the simpler logo on it

[cold moon]

To compete with Pix it needs to stay free imo but if Pix wasn't an option I'd probably be willing to spend even 30/40$

[swift heart]

if Siril wasn't free I'd be doing my processing in a Jupyter or Pluto.jl notebook.

[brisk copper]

yes, its literally foss

[delicate lance]

they ripped off ASA

[swift heart]

Any reflection off an anti-reflection coating is the coating not doing its job

[delicate lance]

We ask not of the effectiveness but of the visual appeal

[brisk copper]

buh

[swift heart]

alright hot take: I'd pay more for SIRIL than for PixInsight because PixInsight doesn't respect standardized FITS data, like ROWORDER or WCS distortion polynomials

It is a pain to deal with XISF files when you want to combine people's data

I just want to build a multiscale mosaic out of people's data. But no. PixInsight doesn't use WCS, they use their own incompatible garbage

[ivory mural]

im gonna end the poll early because i worded it very badly and the proper way to word it doesnt work in a discord poll

id have to say smth like "how much do you think siril is worth" but premade options dont work for that

[cerulean elm]

SiO

[woeful ivy]

DiO

https://tenor.com/view/dio-za-warudo-gif-24644513

[brisk copper]

dio?????

i love dio

https://youtu.be/EhGEGIBGLu8

[cold moon]

Way too hot

But yeah, that's probably the only thing I don't quite like about Pix, it constantly cries about FITS being deprecated 😭, like shut up, NASA is still using it afaik

[vagrant basin]

Za warudo

[zealous cloak]

10k and put it all on red

[urban quiver]

$20,000 worth of extenders and adapters

[cerulean elm]

So, is a box of 20.000$ of junk, or 10.000$ cash. Gimme the cash please. I know exactly what to get

[undone sinew]

This is worse than the galaxy vs nebula one damn💔

[ivory mural]

im just going to have a thousand walmart scopes

[marble hearth]

200 powerseekers, please

[woeful ivy]

20K worth of seestar

[tender hollow]

My rig has been snowed on before

[obsidian plover]

Ig lucky I never have to deal with that

Last time my area even had sleet was 1984

[woeful ivy]

once saw new year moon in snow

idk if it was snowing but there was snow on ground

[brisk copper]

[brisk copper]

did it help cool your cam?

[delicate lance]

technically it should

since it has a heatsink

cool it and it cools the sensor directly

[low lance]

Camera sensor has reached sub zero temps once just from being outside (its a planetary camera)

[brisk copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-screaming-machin3girl-gif-22623519

[swift heart]

When we went out to Chaquamegon-Nicolet for first light with my friend's 8" SCT, we had an unexpected clear air snowfall

No clouds, just snow dropping out of a clear sky

It was actually pretty transparent, though to be fair we were in Bortle 2 skies at the absolute max

[woeful ivy]

[undone sinew]

For more specifics, it gets shot by a .22 LR or it lands on flat concrete

does anyone have any better poll ideas cause i ran out ngl

my prime in polls is long gone we need to make 6.0 or something so everyone forgets about the earlier polls and repeats them again

[dreamy cloak]

Rather the rifle because of i can Control the Angle in which it IS Shot at i Just need to replace the Tube of the scope which i think is managable

[undone sinew]

Oh no you’re not the one that shoots it it’s just a random shot somewhere at your rig

you gotta kiss those lucky charms and hope it doesn’t hit something expensive

Same for the other one you can’t control how you drop it

Actually i remember some guy kept making those “would you drop your rig from _ cm for 500 dollars” i forgot who it was

[undone sinew]

You people are insane

[urban quiver]

I bet a reflector would be fine if shot by a .22. It would probably just go thru the tube

Low chance it would hit a mirror

[undone sinew]

it kind of has to get hit thats the point

[urban quiver]

I’m saying it would hit and go thru the tube

so you’d just have 2 holes in your tube so just patch it lol

[undone sinew]

Ohhh wait i thought you meant like through the holes the truss ones have

[urban quiver]

No like the side

Someone should buy a cheap newt and test it

If I get annoyed with my heritage il shoot it

[undone sinew]

i mean if you have a light telescope i dont think dropping it from a few meters is gonna hurt it that much aside from scratches

[swift heart]

Never forget when the Harlan J. Smith telescope got shot

[urban quiver]

To be fair; isn’t that a special crystal mirror?

I doubt our commercial grade mirrors would survive being shot

[swift heart]

I think it's just dummy thicc glass

[undone sinew]

How did it drop the aperture?

[swift heart]

By blacking out sections of the mirror

So the total area of the mirror decreased

[undone sinew]

🎏

[swift heart]

The resolution is mostly determined by the linear aperture size, so that's not affected as much

[fallen obsidian]

no, but my scope has been snowed and hailed on

[fallen obsidian]

same lol

[summer turret]

well, my rig has been shat on

so i'd say a little damage

[urban quiver]

Define more affordable rigs?

Do you mean like

1 full mono EAF, AM5
2 OSC AM3s
4 OSC GTIs?

[delicate lance]

splitting up e.g. 20k into 2k rigs

or even 4k rigs

[urban quiver]

I think my gear fits the 2 rigs for specific targets

I got the Askar for wide/medium FL, and RC6 for small and planets

[obsidian plover]

one good dso and one good solar rig

[glacial bear]

Inexperience combined with ratchet trying to bring the RA motor tight to the mount.

[glacial bear]

I mean, this is a fair question. The notion of "affordability" in this hobby can be a bit of a challenge.

[brisk copper]

fat rct

[swift heart]

Mine has rusted due to water exposure...at least the screws have. Which I need to replace but it hasn't been damaged otherwise

[woeful ivy]

honestly my rig is my phone

rifle will have 0% chance of survival
balcony might have 5%

[low lance]

Mine has a few scratches on the outside nothing on the optics with some minor humidity rust nothing that hurts its performance

[tender hollow]

My mount's RA worm wheel got destroyed

Entire teeth sheared off.

[ivory mural]

can it be any rig ive ever had

my first rig was an abomination of random houeshold items and it fell apart

[low lance]

What did you do 😭

[tender hollow]

It was extremely cold, grease dried out, and it started binding

brass worm gear beats aluminum worm wheel

[low lance]

How cold

[brisk copper]

sounds untasty

[marble hearth]

Hehe worm 🪱

[cerulean elm]

You know what? If you shoot my OTA sideways, it could survive even a .50 BMG. I just put some tape over the holes and resume to imaging

[undone sinew]

I think you’re really underestimating the damage of a .50 BMG bullet

[cerulean elm]

My telescope is a sheet of metal. Even a .50BMG makes a clean in and out without much disturbance 😂

[brisk copper]

a bullet aint gunna do shit

a drop from a balcomloyny will

[undone sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-50bmg-barret-demolition-ranch-nut-gif-21841016

[brisk copper]

mf, its thin sheet metal, not a bottle of water

it will punch through and leave a hole about 2-3x the size of the bullet

genuinely more survivable than a drop

[fallen obsidian]

what if you left the scope in the raim

[brisk copper]

my scope ded

rain is evil

[summer turret]

Crunchy peanut butter is the only acceptable thing

[tender hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-hes-right-star-wars-gif-21514122

[obsidian plover]

Peanut butter is literally the most revolting thing over ever laid eyes upon

[ivory mural]

if you imaged every clear night b9 would be better than b1

[brisk copper]

i gotta drop down a bortle :(

like .5 of one

so it takes me about 3 hours for 1 hour of data

wow

[ivory mural]

it takes me 21 🥰

🥳

[brisk copper]

goober :3

[low lance]

Also with nir you can get b4 level so yk

1.45hrs

[cerulean elm]

I'd rather have 1 clear day every 3 months and put out a banger of an image rather than daily slop

[obsidian plover]

Easily b9

[ivory mural]

what?

the daily slop would be combined into one omage

[cerulean elm]

But bad seeing

Seeing is all it matters

[obsidian plover]

U could also just drive for b1 anyway ?

[cerulean elm]

Easy for you. I don't think there are any true b1 skies left in EU

[obsidian plover]

Ig just to many people in a small area

[low lance]

The message didn't say you couldn't use filters and b9 plus filters looks just as good as b1 also you are forgetting that the moon cycle will sometimes line up with your 1 day that you have a clear sky making your b1 look just as bright as b6 or b7

[low lance]

Avg seeing isn't bad seeing you probably have avg seeing rn and your images don't look terrible now do they in terms of sharpness

[ivory mural]

"B9 plus filters looks just as good as b1"

[low lance]

Close enough

I'm talking about narrowband btw

[ivory mural]

I know

[cerulean elm]

No, it's not. But if I have to choose between avg seeing and excellent seeing... it's obvious for which one I go

[dreamy cloak]

Not too Sure on that but i think la Palma is the only one left in the eu

Oh Well, just saw its 1-2 most of the time

[cerulean elm]

Ok... continental EU

[cerulean elm]

Maybe Iceland

Or Greenland

But you don't have anything to image in those areas

[undone sinew]

Damn i always thought it was linear

[woeful ivy]

idk tbh

[undone sinew]

they dont let you repair your celestron products yourself you gotta send them at their facilities so they can overpay you for it

[delicate lance]

I’ve realized that celestron wouldn’t be particularly successful if Meade was still up and in the game for proper competition lol

[undone sinew]

What happened to meade

[delicate lance]

Bankruptcy iirc

[undone sinew]

how though weren’t they good

[delicate lance]

Horrible decisions

Orion bought Meade when it became bankrupt and then they realized how deep in debt it is

[summer turret]

Covid MASSIVELY dropped them

[cold moon]

Yeah and obviously I'm in B5 instead of B4, the difference is crazy

[undone sinew]

Just because it would be slightly better doesnt compensate for the fact that you would need to image 30 times longer than at a bortle 1

[ivory mural]

This is a would you rather question

That's your opinion

I want the most potential possible

Also every night is clear gives the huge advantage of always being able to troubleshoot

It would take me a year to get half arcsecond guiding in the b1 scenario

[ivory mural]

no because whatever caused there to be zero light pollution in the world is going to be much worse than having light pollution

eh ig you did say only one day so fast recovery

[woeful ivy]

remember that time when LA got blackout and ppl called emergency cos they saw milky way?

i vote yes

would be funny asf

[woeful ivy]

also is education illegal in usa

[restive fiber]

Why?

[summer turret]

cuz 'merica

[glacial bear]

Just one?

[glacial bear]

Presume that whatever caused the zero light pollution was something that was controlled and not catastrophic

[urban quiver]

The good thing about light pollution, if you turn off the lights it goes away

Unlike air or water pollution

[glacial bear]

Yeah, if I forget to turn off my faucet and turn off the lights my water bill is still pretty high.

[swift heart]

yes

[violet tinsel]

assuming pixinsight includes blurx the choice is clear for me

[delicate lance]

no RC stuff

only pix

I also dont plan on getting any RC plugins any time soon

[cerulean elm]

What kind of guiding setup costs you 400€?

[delicate lance]

What kind of pixinsight costs 400€?

[cerulean elm]

The German one. You have to pay tax on top of that 300

[delicate lance]

The VAT isnt 33.33% lol

[delicate lance]

also considering shipping, taxes and currency conversion a guidesetup with an OAG costs no less

[brisk copper]

pi is okayish but guiding is supeme

[brisk copper]

rc8

[swift heart]

rc8

[delicate lance]

yes of course but this is to see what the frac community thinks of frac designs

[cold moon]

Let me think... a newt.

[swift heart]

As somewhat of an RC owner myself, coma correctors are cheating

[urban quiver]

depends what FL you want, nobody can answer that for you

id get the RC personally tho

[fallen obsidian]

ive heard rc's have internal reflection issues

[swift heart]

My internal reflection issues were caused by a bad adapter that I flocked

[restive fiber]

sun

[cerulean elm]

12" newtonian

[marble hearth]

Can it handle it tho? 😩

[cerulean elm]

Me? Or my mount?

[marble hearth]

OH

I thought u were referring to a diff poll 😭 😭

[marble hearth]

Could've sworn discord pointed to ts when I clicked on ur reply

[obsidian plover]

whos voting for the bottom option bruh

[undone sinew]

i tried to make this as difficult as possible hopefully it’s better than the last one

[rain void]

Nah man this is too easy. You compared actual useful gear with an sct

[swift heart]

I mean, I wish I had one more telescope that was smaller than my RC

I don't have room for a 16" RC at the moment but I could use a small refractor

Or I could use a second 8" RC

[brisk copper]

bb filter that just uninstalls wobble and light pollution?

[marble hearth]

Basically yeah

Or like a realllllyyyyy long imaginary straw that fits ur fov perfectly and has 0 air inside it

[brisk copper]

i see

would yea

[marble hearth]

Atmosphere filter doesn't prevent clouds btw chat

[brisk copper]

DAMN YOU

I HATE YOU

[marble hearth]

ONE SOLVED PROBLEM PER ITEM GUYS

[swift heart]

idk exterminating the earth sounds like it would solve every problem

[marble hearth]

Not in that way - just let's u image through the ground (but not clouds obv)

So like 24hr imaging sessions and no objects that never rise above horizon

(if weather and atmosphere allows ofc)

[delicate lance]

ageing isnt the issue

its that everyone else ages as you go there

supposing you go near light speed

you come back and everyone you know is gone

[restive fiber]

It travels near light speed

[undone sinew]

I told yall this would be difficult, perfect 50/50

[brisk copper]

can i take one person with me?

[restive fiber]

Yes. You can

[brisk copper]

yooo

[woeful ivy]

if i can decide when ill travel and i survive and thrive there

i say yes

if it happens the moment I vote, nah i say no

[restive fiber]

Also yes

[woeful ivy]

ill pick yes, stay on earth until everyone i love dies

then i travel to avoid being accused of immortality

will return every thousand years or so

[low lance]

I envy everyone who doesn't live where i live sp ima go with the cloud gun

[urban quiver]

I wouldn’t count DeepSNR as free since it’s locked behind Pixinsight

[reef viper]

deepsnr free?

[devout tinsel]

Yes, but it only for pix

[woeful ivy]

MS paint

[devout tinsel]

Oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[woeful ivy]

oh eh eh eh

[void jolt]

should be multiple choice smh

siril + affinity + dsnr/starnet

[delicate lance]

additional info:

Redcat comes with Bahtinov Mask (and drip) and has an internal focuser, eliminating focuser tilt.

Hope D60 is F/4.66, Redcat is F/5

Other than that, they come with similar stuff. Hope D60 is new and barely shows reviews.

[fallen obsidian]

reduce the 130 pds

to f/3.7

[delicate lance]

na if at all then imma get a 130HNT

[cold moon]

I'd quit the hobby if those were my options

[delicate lance]

fair enough

[fallen obsidian]

get a 150mm f/4 and reduce to f/3

[marble hearth]

Why what's wrong with them?

[delicate lance]

mm nah

[cold moon]

1000$ for extremely tiny aperture, even a cheap Chinese 8" newt is outperforming both while being cheaper lol

[fallen obsidian]

agreed

[marble hearth]

1000 for a frac?? 😭 😭 Even I only paid 600 for 71mm

[fallen obsidian]

I paid 200 for 75mm

[delicate lance]

tbh an esprit is a really attractive pick for me

the sharpness

[cold moon]

Fracs get expensive way too quickly when you increase the aperture (if you don't want a garbage piece of glass with more chromatic aberration than a rainbow)

[marble hearth]

No yeah ofc, it's worth to get a reflector for apertures over 80ish mm

[ivory mural]

spring/autumn equally

[obsidian plover]

Autumn has the best weather for me

[brisk copper]

oouk sharper

[cerulean elm]

Double ionized Oxygen

[cerulean elm]

10" newt

[delicate lance]

where is O-Eeeeeeeeeeee

[summer turret]

I love long astro dark

[obsidian plover]

Not O eye eye eye ?

No way u guys are saying O eee

[delicate lance]

either that or just

oxygen

[cold moon]

I just say O3

[brisk copper]

thats ozone

[cold moon]

No because it's a big 3

[brisk copper]

😰

[marble hearth]

Isn't that the same as oyyyyy 😭

[delicate lance]

atp idk

[marble hearth]

Aye aye to you too 🫡

[obsidian plover]

Aye aye doesnt sound like eye eye

[marble hearth]

Yes it does?

The stuff pirates say

[obsidian plover]

aye and eye are the same sound ?

[marble hearth]

Yes..?

[marble hearth]

Like "aye aye captain"

[brisk copper]

jot at all

[marble hearth]

Wtf are yall on abt 😭

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-salute-aye-aye-captain-aye-aye-gif-8930645693082954592

Literally any text or caption of that sound in that context will have that spelling

[brisk copper]

eye and aye sound so different

its too noticable

pease stop the raggebait

[marble hearth]

I get how u can say aye as "ayy" but like aye as "eye" also makes perfectly good sense

[brisk copper]

nop it dont

[woeful ivy]

the fk is that options

[cold moon]

Probably depends on what english you are speaking

Either way, it's the worst language on earth and pronunciation makes zero sense

[obsidian plover]

yes or no bruh

[woeful ivy]

why is yes X

and no a checkmark

[marble hearth]

Crazy bias 🙏

[obsidian plover]

because the yes answer is just wrong

[marble hearth]

Nuhuh

[obsidian plover]

😭 🙏

[brisk copper]

its so silly i have my own personal dialect basically :3

[delicate lance]

in aye theres a further emphasis on the A

[somber belfry]

exactly!

[desert obsidian]

agreed

[obsidian plover]

i aint drinking that battery acid bruh

[fossil temple]

Fair enough

I only drink for flavor

[summer turret]

i dont like energy drinks tbh

during my exam period I have them bc i need the energy/ caffeine but apart from that they suck shit

🚮

also that shits really bad for you

[tribal coral]

way too sweet imo

[brisk copper]

crime

[cerulean elm]

Creatine plus protein powder

[undone sinew]

Water

[delicate lance]

monster is kinda ass

redbull only has a few good ones but thats it

[dreamy cloak]

Many of the good Red Bulls arent what they used to as Well Cuz they keep changing the recepy

[glacial bear]

I stick with the classic and known to not contain a chemical shitstorm.

Coffee.

[delicate lance]

peak

[brisk copper]

monster is the only nice tasting energy drink

[delicate lance]

???

its a sweet, sugary 500ml can of heart attack

[brisk copper]

they aren't sweet

well, the flavour i drink isnt

[delicate lance]

they are

they are absolute ass.

[brisk copper]

at least it doesnt taste of chemicals the war redbull does

redbull you can taste the caffeine and its horrible

[delicate lance]

dont get me onto the taste of chemicals on monster

[brisk copper]

(some monster flavours have the same issues but i dont drink those)

[brisk copper]

grapefruit isnt chemical flavoured

the grapefruit monster is good

[delicate lance]

in which???

[delicate lance]

we dont have that here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/573199831393370152/971779571106078780/image0-1-2.gif

[brisk copper]

all of the ones ive had

[delicate lance]

so you tasted a bitter soapy note?

[brisk copper]

the original is by far the worst tho

[delicate lance]

never had that, i dont know what nuclear waste you drank

[delicate lance]

yeah its kinda mid

[brisk copper]

yup

is that what caffeine tastes of

[delicate lance]

okay bro you dont even know how it tastes and you tell me you taste it 😭

[brisk copper]

bc thats all i could think that flavour is due to

[brisk copper]

ive had caffeine powder and it tastes similar

[delicate lance]

caffeine in pure form tastes like that yes, but in regular doses its a slight bitter.

[brisk copper]

thought so

[delicate lance]

never tasted that

[brisk copper]

weird, its really strong

[low lance]

You run dsnr without pixinsight how?

[low lance]

Same caffeine doesn't affect me 😭 HELP

[void jolt]

you dont

(yet)

[mint talon]

apparently for people with adhd, caffeine doesnt work if someone is dehydrated at all

dont ask for a source i dont have one

[glacial bear]

"Common sense". One rehydrates with water. Caffeine is a diuretic.

[low lance]

Still doesn't affect me i could literally chug 3 cans of redbull and then go to sleep 2 hours later

[late summit]

Not just that, but it can just not work period

I can be as hydrated as a lake, caffeine will still have 0 effect on me

[bronze minnow]

I just demolish a chocolate bar and temporarily acheive nuclear fusion
the crash comes but it just sets me back to normal

[fossil temple]

A gram of uranium usually does it for me

[cerulean elm]

You know what's healthier and made me stop drinking energy drinks and caffeine in general?
6000 calories a day plus 30g of creatine. I switch to autopilot ngl

[woeful ivy]

me with phone astrophotography

[hard slate]

I have a pint (0.56l) of strong filter coffee with breakfast and that just about touches the sides.

Can also go to sleep on the same drunk 30 mins before bedtime

[glacial bear]

Now ask “How many good eyepieces

[low lance]

I would probably gain like 50lbs in one week with that diet

[cerulean elm]

Benefits of having a physically demanding job

If you burn them fast enough, they don't stick

[violet tinsel]

oh am I just always dehydrated cuz caffeine doesn't do anything

[low lance]

Nah

Some people aren't affected

[lofty jetty]

As far as option one, I will buy a new roki 135mm and return the old one as many times as necessary until i get a good copy

Also, my rig is sort of built around the lens (mainly being the astrodymium ring set) so that is a big factor as to why I want to have a good copy

[cerulean elm]

Try the Samyang 135

[lofty jetty]

I mean… if they don’t come from the same factory…

Then maybe the qc is better?

[cerulean elm]

I use one. I got a really good copy for 230€

[lofty jetty]

Samyang and rokinon are the same

As I’m sure you know

[cerulean elm]

Yes I know

[cerulean elm]

You judge. (Ignore the hot pixel worms. The dithering from the main rig did not transfer to the Samy)

[lofty jetty]

What is it stopped down to?

Mine is nowhere near that good at 4.5

[cerulean elm]

T2.2 fully open

[lofty jetty]

Damnnnnnn

Wait, what does the T stand for?

[cerulean elm]

My lens is not measured in f-stops (ratio between focal length and aperture) is measured in Transmission stops. Basically it counts for how much light actually makes it trough the optical system. That's honestly how telescopes should be measured as well. In T-stops and not f-stops

[lofty jetty]

Ah

Is it a cine lens by any chance?

[cerulean elm]

Yes it is

[lofty jetty]

Ah

Not sure if I the Astrodymium rings will work with that

Though, I think they might

I know I need to buy a new part for my EAF

[cerulean elm]

Well, do you have a 3D printer?

[lofty jetty]

Unfortunately no

[cerulean elm]

Don't ask why, but I have it modeled in fusion360. So I can give you a .stl file that you can 3D print and test it with your rings

[lofty jetty]

But I can make things work lol

[lofty jetty]

Oh nice!!!

[cerulean elm]

That's quite early tho so it's not as polished as is right now

[undone sinew]

aaaand i made a mistake whatever i dont feel like fixing it

“past year” means this year second 500 is supposed to be 501 blah blah blah whatever

[fallen obsidian]

like 3000

[undone sinew]

dude thats like at least 8

[cerulean elm]

Last year, a little over 1k, this year... almost 5000

[zealous cloak]

Its gonna be 7.5k € when I get the esprit on Christmas

[obsidian plover]

Needs to be higher

[tidal tundra]

Spent or the lost, because I also sold stuff

[fallen obsidian]

would be like 1000 without the ragdoll

[devout tinsel]

Done

[undone sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

[leaden copper]

its not even a competition

[summer turret]

nuclear is just incredibly dangerous to produce

[leaden copper]

eginearing

[urban quiver]

it’s actually one of the safest

[leaden copper]

alr bro who voted for fossil fuiels

[leaden copper]

just dont blow it up tbh

[summer turret]

dont get me wrong - nuclear energy is really good but its just very dangerous

solars way more safer and pretty much infinite

[leaden copper]

well its a good thing we have a whole lotta engineers dedicated their careers to safety huh

[zealous cloak]

Source: the chernobyl mini series

[urban quiver]

Solar takes too much space

nuclear is the only option

and it’s extremely safe

Solar actually sucks

[zealous cloak]

I love when people talk about opinions in these topics

[urban quiver]

saying solar sucks is a fact not an opinion

[zealous cloak]

Chill big man im on your side

[somber belfry]

nuclear is super safe now

[somber belfry]

unless im the operator.... idk how the core temperature reached 9999F😭 (everything exploded 5 seconds later)

i hadnt realised coolant pumps were off...

[zealous cloak]

Governments just sell solar, wind, hydro and so on as "green, clean energies" to discourage people from supporting/investing in nuclear. Nuclear means free energy for everyone and the oil industries dislike that idea very very much

[zealous cloak]

And dont even talk about nuclear fusion, it will literally get you killed

[somber belfry]

fission

[zealous cloak]

No, fusion

[somber belfry]

wait am i the biggest idiot ever

...

im gonna go kms

[zealous cloak]

You dont know what nuclear fusion is?

[somber belfry]

no i know i just mixed up fusion and fission somehow....

[zealous cloak]

Its alright

[somber belfry]

wait im not an idiot

i thought i went crazy for a sec

fewww

😭

[zealous cloak]

I said nuclear fusion will get you killed because of the recent death of Nuno Loureiro, look him up

[somber belfry]

ohhhhh oops

[fallen obsidian]

depends

[glacial bear]

Science and studies have borne out that nuclear is the safest to produce, I believe by a long shot.

The problem is that when something goes sideways, it tends to be ... noticeable in a manner that is substantially harder to overlook than when something goes sideways with other forms of power. Oh and Yellow Journalism and Sensationalism need to be accounted, as well. There's a town in PA that is uninhabitable because a coal mine is burning below it. That disaster doesn't get the news that 3 Mile Island or Chernobyl or Fukishima had. And Chernobyl was the only one that arguably had a larger immediate and larger potential impact than the burning coal.