Polls 5.0

[low lance]

Its less about that and more about the fact that astro is niche so the prices have to be concentrated more on a single product rather than spread out

But yes those do also add to the cost

Which is concentrated

But if you have the money and dont mind paying for the convenience aspect of it then absolutely its an amazing deal

[summer turret]

businesses in a very niche hobby need the money

price is justified

[tender hollow]

gemini is a steal

[low lance]

Agreed

[delicate lance]

Forgetting the skill needed to build it, the knowledge and well, motivation.

It’s a fair price, especially considering how low effort it is to receive.

If you don’t want to pay company prices, make it yourself, but then don’t judge them wanting to make a profit

[brisk copper]

(im not home yet so idk)

[limpid geode]

So many votes no

[cold moon]

I would argue that it plays an important role at the very beginning, say when stating the axioms. Even just the validity of that can be discussed philosophically as can our ability to reason etc. But overall it's not essential when actually doing science, computers work and planes fly, I'd say we are doing something right.

[limpid geode]

That's what I'm saying

Philosophy is what brought out all the great ideas of physics

[limpid geode]

Fetus

[delicate lance]

..

does he know that the california nebula is NOT in cygnus

[limpid geode]

Fetus nebula

[cerulean elm]

I'm quite sure he meant North America Nebula (NGC-7000)😂

[cerulean elm]

The Honsehead Nebula🐴

[delicate lance]

I’d make that mistake icl

[cerulean elm]

Well... California is in North America, isn't it? So it makes sense

[devout tinsel]

Cocon

[undone sinew]

give veil nebula some love guys

snrs are the best

[supple wraith]

Mb I meant the North American Nebula.

[cerulean elm]

Hah! I knew it
#1379949653990309978 message

[rain void]

All of it

[limpid geode]

Can't believe you voted for templeos smh

[white roost]

https://tenor.com/view/templeos-terry-terry-davis-davis-cia-gif-1369094491589270089

[brisk copper]

ong

temple has an unbeatable legacy

[undone sinew]

you are NOT slick bro

[woeful ivy]

shush

[ivory mural]

Linux better but am forced to use window

😿

[urban quiver]

Whatever the North Korean OS is

[ivory mural]

Mac

[brisk copper]

redstar?

[urban quiver]

ya

[summer turret]

Seafood

[ivory mural]

@brisk copper are you my cat

[brisk copper]

nu :(

[obsidian plover]

Where sky flat 😭

[cerulean elm]

Automatic flat pannel

[tidal tundra]

T-shirt + sunlight ig

[summer turret]

paper and phone

[delicate lance]

Imagine taking flats like a sane person

[cerulean elm]

You must have a very big phone, or a very small telescope

[summer turret]

both

[cerulean elm]

It's better when is the other way around

[marble hearth]

Frac moment

[marble hearth]

💸

[marble hearth]

Yeah sunlight/sky same same - light comes from the sun >:(

[lofty jetty]

No really, how do you guys take flats? The only ways I've ever heard of are the first three options

[cerulean elm]

Right now I use an automatic flat pannel, but before I used a 20€ light pannel and some printer paper as diffuser

However, I only take Flats for broadband data

[lofty jetty]

What would you recommend for me to use? I dont have a flat panel or any of that, currently I use a white screen on an iPad with a white tshirt over the lens

[cerulean elm]

That's perfectly fine, but if you want to go cheaper, look on Amazon for a light panel A4 should be fine for something like 130mm aperture and some printing paper to reduce and difuse the light more uniformly

[marble hearth]

"white wall" is what I do cuz it's the easiest and I'm lazy 😭 bad results led me to make this poll

[lofty jetty]

what about imperfections in the white wall that the program will take as imperfections in the lens 😭

[lofty jetty]

I'll check it out, tysm

Mine has a ~67mm aperture

[cerulean elm]

Maybe an A5 pannel then

[lofty jetty]

What is the difference? brightness?

And should I use paper or a white tshirt to cover the lens

[cerulean elm]

Size. A5 is half the size of A4

[lofty jetty]

I see, ty

oh, and another question: do I put the flat panel right up against the lens or farther away?

[cerulean elm]

If your dew shield is extended, then you place it on the extended dew shield

Basically ypu want the telescope to be in the same state as the imaging. Same focus, same camera rotation, same filters.

[lofty jetty]

Unfortunately it doesn't have a dew shield

It's just a roki 135mm lens

[cerulean elm]

A lens hood?

[marble hearth]

Uhm.. Have clean walls and the the smaller details will be way out of focus to be picked up on 👍

I just fear it isn't bright enough to pick up on the smaller and dimmer dust spots

[lofty jetty]

Don't have that either but I can buy one

[lofty jetty]

Fair

[cerulean elm]

Then you can just put the flat pannel on the lens itself

[low lance]

How do you prevent dust spots

[cerulean elm]

i keep my optics clean

[low lance]

I can never get rid of dust no matter how much I clean lol

[delicate lance]

BRO

you forgot the tripod dude

[marble hearth]

its there

[delicate lance]

Oh there it is

[low lance]

He forgot the camera

[marble hearth]

Oh yeah 🤦‍♂️ that's where the dust spots are in the first place

[urban quiver]

wtf no get that away from me

ew

[cold moon]

Ragebait used to be believable.

[urban quiver]

not rage bait

That is one of the ugliest DSOs I’ve seen

[cold moon]

You like fracs, so I understand the lack of taste.

[urban quiver]

wtf is that Even supposed to be?

Fat ass galaxy

[undone sinew]

ኃጢአተኛ ነፍስህ ከመዳን በላይ ናት እናም ሰላምን ወይም ሥቃይን አታውቅም ፣ የንስሐ ቅዝቃዜ ብቻ አብቅቷል ፣ ምክንያቱም ኃጢአቶችህ ከማንኛውም ተልእኮ የላቀ ስለሆነ ፣ መጨረሻው ቀርቧል ፣ የኃጢአት መርከቦች

[cold moon]

It's a galaxy

[ivory mural]

the galaxy looks great but it isn't big enough for me to like it as a target

[woeful ivy]

🤏

[sharp berry]

what about both.

[delicate lance]

Galaxies because they have nebulae

And because Milky Way is a galaxy so

All nebula shots are just very zoom in galactic shots

[gleaming hearth]

Galaxies are just spiral nebulae smh

[delicate lance]

Yes but better

With stars and more nebulae

[obsidian plover]

People who voted galaxies just have to high focal length to shoot nebula, L bozo

[rain void]

You sir, are spitting absolute facts logic 🔥

[lofty jetty]

other than the big ones (m33, m31, lmc and smc if in southern hemisphere), galaxies are so expensive to shoot

Like bro, i'd rather shoot nebulae than go hungry for the next 50 years because of how expensive high focal lengths are

I do like that you have a lot more options for shooting galaxies though

[low lance]

No i just have a small sensor

[low lance]

You only need a 8 inch telescope with a small sensor which will end up roughly the same price as a high quality refractor assuming you already have a mount capable of supporting the 8 inch thats really the expensive part

[ivory mural]

You don't even need 8"

5" is enough

[ivory mural]

1000 bucks is enough

[low lance]

Light collection is still an issue and you'll need pretty high f stop with 5

[ivory mural]

F/5 is enough

[low lance]

Idk my 6 inch and 585 kinda struggle with galaxies especially the smaller ones which is the majority

[ivory mural]

why's that

[low lance]

Not enough res

[ivory mural]

i have a 6 inch and 585

i have no issues

[low lance]

Im at f4

Well technically 3.6 it in the middle ground between being able to capture galaxies and being able to do nebulas

[ivory mural]

Same

[low lance]

Well then how

[ivory mural]

What kinda galaxies you shooting

For me .9"/px is sufficient

[cold moon]

Arp 148 or smaller or nothing.

[low lance]

Small ones like ngc 4567

[ivory mural]

I mean more traditional large galaxies

Stuff like that requires super expensive rigs ofc

[low lance]

Or a 2x barlow

[ivory mural]

I would never use a barlow for deep sky unless it's orion or smth

[low lance]

Its only f8 and i dont have to worry about collimation or focus as much

Well technically i dont need its not like i will be able to reach sub arc res

[rain void]

I, too, hate having any fov

[ivory mural]

why even image, just look at nasas pictures

you'll never be better than them anyways

[undone sinew]

thats what i thought

[low lance]

What

[undone sinew]

t

[brisk copper]

its shit

[brisk copper]

they like to act supreme with their rasa but in reality its just immature and annoying

[low lance]

I dont know what he meant by "no fov"

[brisk copper]

anything lower than their like 180° fov (exaggeration obv) is "no fov"

just long focal length scopes

[lofty jetty]

Imagine having anything less than a 361° fov

[brisk copper]

yea, like i put a reducer on my rasa and now my scope is -f/100 and my fov is 720°

[lofty jetty]

Real

[ivory mural]

photon generator

ifn is now blindingly bright visually in bortle 9

[low lance]

Ah

[brisk copper]

i can see everything all at once through my rasa

[low lance]

Tbh i dont get the point of rasa like there is only 50 targets that you can capture

[ivory mural]

that is one of the main benefits of longer fl

you will never be asking what to image

there is always a new interesting target

so much small stuff

[low lance]

Yeah 99.999 of the night sky is just small stuff

[low lance]

Get a sct plus a reducer and a hyperstar you get the perfect telescope the jack of all trades the swiss army knife of the telescope world

You can do super widefield or super zoomed in for planets or you can use a fl reducer to get f6 for galaxies

[brisk copper]

and the Cygnus wall is 3 of them

[ivory mural]

and you also get investigated by the government since you seem to have unlimited money

[low lance]

Yup but still worth imo

But still not the most expensive rig out there some people have 25k mounts and telescopes

[ivory mural]

whats a horse?

[limpid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[ivory mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315784737112985610/1417261944645353562/Genesis_Scheel_Armijo_-Via_KLICKPIN_CF.mp4?ex=68d8580b&is=68d7068b&hm=f578c1459f116b8949587575de56d8bbaab9bddbbfc3f8c225049d26c9d0b482&

[ivory mural]

is this a horse?

[limpid geode]

Good enoigh

[quasi cedar]

i love youy

for sending that

[swift heart]

honse (5 min)

[sharp berry]

honse (5 min)

[undone sinew]

ngc 4753 wins once again

[brisk copper]

@delicate lance you got the dob?

[delicate lance]

no but my scope is around 600mm long

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248873743116140586/1273203966024487003/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[brisk copper]

damn you

you know what i meant

the mirror size

smh

[deep mesa]

is this a joke

do you mean aperture or focal length

@brisk copper

[brisk copper]

the size of your mirror

the diamater

[deep mesa]

who’s rocking a 1m aperture scope

this scale is terrible

[brisk copper]

the observatory person may?!

[delicate lance]

ah yes

[brisk copper]

i know theres people here with 24inch scopes

[delicate lance]

badunkie, the observatory person

[brisk copper]

not dunks

[delicate lance]

600mm

[deep mesa]

^

This poll doesn’t make any sense lol it should be a better scale

0-100 glosses over so much

so does 100-200

[brisk copper]

fire and dunks were missing the poll :(

[brisk copper]

you make it then, smh

[deep mesa]

na

[brisk copper]

buh??

[lofty jetty]

What was the poll 😭

[brisk copper]

how big is yours

was the title

im taking about appature

[lofty jetty]

Last I measured it was like 0.73 inches

[brisk copper]

do you have a small frac?

[delicate lance]

oh shit

wrong sign lol

[lofty jetty]

Neither small nor frac
Its average

[brisk copper]

mkeas no ses

[brisk copper]

is it a newt?

[lofty jetty]

[brisk copper]

im so confused :(

[lofty jetty]

[delicate lance]

@deep mesa here

[lofty jetty]

OH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT APERTURE??

[delicate lance]

scaled it to common sizes

[lofty jetty]

mb

[brisk copper]

my appature is greater than 50mm

[delicate lance]

[lofty jetty]

Im not sure whether to put >50mm or >70mm

[delicate lance]

<

y

[lofty jetty]

I have an etx70 and its 70mm (obviously)

[delicate lance]

70mm

[lofty jetty]

K

[brisk copper]

its greater than 50mm tho

so put >50mm

[lofty jetty]

But 70.00000000000001 is bigger than 70mm

[brisk copper]

it would still fit in >50mm

[lofty jetty]

[brisk copper]

i have a 6" its greater than 50mm

[delicate lance]

we get it

[deep mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-good-boy-rex-worm-felton-thingggg-gif-13170442711656564108

[restive fiber]

What are you speaking?

[lofty jetty]

This made me laugh too hard 😭

[undone sinew]

amharic curse

[limpid geode]

Wtf is this

[brisk copper]

i personally love tiny things

if they are too big they dont fit

and usually the ones that fit perfectly have no character and are over imaged

[restive fiber]

It is an African language.

[restive fiber]

It roughly translates to...
Your sinful soul is beyond salvation and knows neither peace nor pain, only the cold of repentance has ended, because your sins are greater than any mission, the end is near, the ships of sin

[ivory mural]

3 Is a nicer framing but i don't think it's worth the extra panel over 4

[swift heart]

6 panels, go big chungus or go home

[fossil temple]

I saw a beetle once

[mint talon]

thats earth

[fossil temple]

Beetle

[summer turret]

Alpha centauri

[sharp berry]

i saw ton 618!!! 😍

[cold moon]

If "anything else" applies to literally anything else that isn't in the sky

[somber belfry]

mercury too

[limpid geode]

I love seeing Jupiter at noon

[lofty jetty]

My mom doesn't let me see anything naked :(

[swift heart]

I have seen the Galilean moons in the daytime through a telescope

[zealous cloak]

Remote obs is Bortle 2

[marble hearth]

c) save up 10k and build ur own remote observatory somewhere

or however much it costs

[zealous cloak]

10k is what a piece of land starts for in some of Spains dark sites

[marble hearth]

Expensive desert

[zealous cloak]

More like Mediterranean forest but yeah

[mint talon]

damn thats a lot of jupiters

[mint talon]

naked eye? damn

[vagrant basin]

Mercury literally looks like a brown star end of daylight

[marble hearth]

Fr Just add a cloud over it

That's pretty spooky

[ivory mural]

😨

NO

TOO SCARY

[mint talon]

make the central astrobiscuit thing a pumpkin, keep pride flag

[undone sinew]

ughh….. these WOKE LIBERALSare DESTROYING ASTROBISCUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i remember how it was in the GOOD OL DAYSJSNDKSBXNZMSNKSJ

[mint talon]

the GOOD OLD DAYS before PUMPKINS were INVENTED

[undone sinew]

the liberals are trying to woke up my astrobiscuit with pumpkins

disgusting

[supple wraith]

Fr I’m all for pride, but I draw the line at pumpkins.

[bronze minnow]

they're turning the frigging PUMPKINS gay

[low lance]

What if they replace the biscuit with a pumpkin pie

[brisk copper]

what if we replace the biscut with a gay biscut ?

[low lance]

A gay pie

[brisk copper]

what if we made it just a pumkin

but gay

[low lance]

Yup i love a gay pumpkin

[limpid geode]

PRIDE FLAG IS SCARY ENOIGH IM A HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE MAN RAHHHHH

[summer turret]

bro is scared of homes

[limpid geode]

RHE HOMS ARE TAKING OUR JOBS

[mint talon]

boo!

[limpid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-md-doctor-freaky-gif-7807484460015619799

[limpid geode]

If I've learned anything from house, it's that it isn't a doctor's office if there aren't 20 bitchy white people trampling each other to get away from a passive aggressive disabled doctor

[glacial bear]

Yes

[marble hearth]

Can my swsa 2i get 300sec subs with this?

[summer turret]

hell yea

[desert obsidian]

astropumpkin

[brisk copper]

gay pumpkin

[ivory mural]

doesnt full moon in b2 turn it into a b7

[open aspen]

Yeah

It does

[mossy mason]

probably worse in my opinion

[ivory mural]

then id rather not have the gradient

[open aspen]

Yeah

Moon sucks

[open aspen]

Fully opposed to all houses homes or any dwelling

[lofty jetty]

Alright so let's try this

[somber belfry]

this isnt even a question lmao

b1 and full moon is 1000 times better

also u can do lunar too

[lofty jetty]

Is the jump from b7 to b9 really that massive?

[somber belfry]

maybe new moon in b6-7 and i would consider it

still b1 wins i think

[lofty jetty]

Bro missed the poll right above him

#1379949653990309978 message

I already closed it tho

[undone sinew]

every possible astrophotography poll has been exhausted this thread has fallen

[somber belfry]

is..... is it vainy?!

[desert obsidian]

Vaney*

[low lance]

Yes

It doesnt even have to be massive any improvement in light pollution is an improvement

[fossil temple]

Peanut butter

[low lance]

Oh what the i just realized

[lofty jetty]

bbc ❎
boc ✅

[marble hearth]

Yep this is an on topic astro poll

[brisk copper]

yus :3

[swift heart]

:3

[somber belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/luccabug-angry-cat-angry-cat-being-pet-cat-pet-cat-gif-16721872127246114794

cat does not approve

[brisk copper]

cat does approve :3

[brisk copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[ivory mural]

:3

[bronze minnow]

:3

[summer turret]

:3

[low lance]

:3

[cedar dome]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-spooky-flying-scary-ghost-images-gif-23894972

[plucky vigil]

Yall need to put it on your home insurance

[marble hearth]

Smart

[woeful ivy]

ok who tf didn't saw earth in daylight naked eye

[brisk copper]

me :(

you know I don't go outside

smh

[fossil temple]

C/67 A41 tsuchinshan ATLAS ✌️ ✌️

[sharp berry]

gang 💔

[void jolt]

[ivory mural]

🤣

[hybrid echo]

only valid if you do something fun like a light curve

[glacial bear]

I don't care how small it is, if some asteroid gets a name like "Hem 42069" I'm going to rent the equipment I need to image the thing.

[zealous cloak]

90min

[frigid compass]

5hrs away cause of NYC and surrounding cities

[devout tinsel]

2-3h from Moscow

[fallen obsidian]

what, ny is like 2-3 hrs from a bortle 3

[fading dust]

left or right?

[frigid compass]

Well there is a small patch but it’s closer to a 4 than a 3

[fallen obsidian]

theres one in maontauk and one in catskills

[obsidian plover]

0mins

[marble hearth]

This is the astro equivalent of a billionaire sitting in his jacht while the rest are working hard

[obsidian plover]

Dunno I didn't choose this I was just given it

[open aspen]

Hell yeah

[brisk copper]

showing 2 identical photos to confuse people moment

[fading dust]

They are not the same

[brisk copper]

sounds less secure

[restive fiber]

But it is the right balance, not too strong and not too weak.

[hybrid echo]

screwed in filters ensures consistency with rotation

[glacial bear]

I can just imagine the magnet slipping off

[brisk copper]

same 😭

imagine bumping your scope and you are iming low to the horizon and the thing falls and damages your secondary

[bronze minnow]

just over two hours, and even then it's at the top of a 700m hill, so for flat ground the distance is probably higher

[vagrant basin]

Dang 700m hill must be a sick view

[bronze minnow]

i live in the UK
the only thing we view is clouds

[desert obsidian]

FISH

[fossil temple]

Fsh

[plucky vigil]

@wise mason

[wise mason]

Yes please!

[fossil temple]

😛😛😛

[wise mason]

If you vote "No." You are to die.

[fossil temple]

No = ban

[wise mason]

Climbing can possibly go into fitness. Love yall enjoy the video. It wasn't me btw.

[undone sinew]

why do you always record the craziest shit

[brisk copper]

sort of shit i do in the school bathrooms lmao

[glacial bear]

So, when I was in college.

All the dorms had sprinklers in the rooms, in case of fire. As I was moving in to one of the oldest dorms on the campus (Built pre-1870) we were told, very clearly, that we were NOT to hang from the sprinkler pipes.

Which, to me, was "Well, duh... why do we need that rule."

Apparently a couple of yahoos were doing just that, like what the dude in this video was doing. The pipe was not designed to hold the weight of a college kid, and it broke. Flooded some rooms on the second floor.

Facilities was less than pleased.

[wise mason]

hell yeah that must of been a fun one! luckily im only ~120ish pounds

[brisk copper]

lmao

[brisk copper]

whats that in kg

[wise mason]

54

8.5 stone

[brisk copper]

you lighter than me 😭

[wise mason]

Yes. I can do amazing things.

But wind... Can't do it.

[brisk copper]

how tol are you?

[wise mason]

5'10.

[brisk copper]

you taller than me too 😭

[wise mason]

21336mm's

[brisk copper]

precision

[wise mason]

Eat more and put on muscle. Or fish. Do what you want in life.

[brisk copper]

i did a lot of biking and i still walk 4 miles every day so i do have a decent amount of muscles in my legs

my arms tho

[wise mason]

So when you get into a fight you must kick people.

[brisk copper]

exactly!

[wise mason]

I saw a video on twitter where this dude was doing cartwheels and he won against two dudes. Amazing!

[brisk copper]

dam

[wise mason]

I also have this dell 3100 chromebook running trixie debian. it is awesome aswell.

Native.

[brisk copper]

debian cool :3

[desert obsidian]

Mods, the people have spoken

[woeful ivy]

earth nebula

[bronze minnow]

cloud ap

[fossil temple]

[cerulean elm]

Sh-69420 Rain Cloud Nebula

[lofty jetty]

@young cosmos dont vote yet you dingus

[young cosmos]

I confirm 1

[lofty jetty]

Ok

Oh shit I need to do a flip dont I

[low lance]

He's back

Dude hasn't talked in like ages

[wise mason]

i respond to all dms

[low lance]

I meant in the server

[lofty jetty]

Ok I was a bit disappointed with the results of the poll but when I consider that I was shooting with a 96% moon and had only 2 hours of int, I'm not surprised

[analog jolt]

you need to tag them

[desert obsidian]

Um..

U do it

U have cool role

[analog jolt]

lmfao

[desert obsidian]

@Thomas = ban

[analog jolt]

<@&794644849156030514>

[ivory mural]

@static sapphire

[tender hollow]

I'm not opposed to a fishing channel

[stuck quest]

fish

[ivory mural]

fish

[silver holly]

I like it

[analog jolt]

fish

[silver holly]

Fishing/hunting or just fishing? Idk how discord likes hunting even tho they are similar.

[ivory mural]

ban these people

[stuck quest]

prob no hunting

not here

fish are fine bc they aren't real

[tender hollow]

Fish are created by the government

This is a fact

[ivory mural]

so theyre real

[stuck quest]

yea I read a peer reviewed paper about it the other day

[tender hollow]

They dump fish out of planes
How do you think the fish found water, by walking?

[stuck quest]

That's what I'm sayin

[silver holly]

I’ll add it? Seems pretty unanimous.

[tender hollow]

I support the fishing channel but I don't know if mods are allowed to make new channels
we technically have the permissions

I don't know the policy on this one

[desert obsidian]

but fish arent real so they aren’t technically a channel

[stuck quest]

I'm the worst mod here idk anything

[silver holly]

Yeah true ask Ben. I would have thought it’s fine.

#🎣-fishing

[analog jolt]

insane

thanks guys

[stuck quest]

fish

the verb

[glacial bear]

You know what's not real? Giraffes. You're going to tell me that there's this animal that's built with a body bigger than a horse, legs like stilts, and neck that's as tall as the legs/body of the animal itself?

More likely that unicorns are real. That's just a horse with a horn on its head.

[ivory mural]

so you mean giraffes are fish?

[fossil temple]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-travis-scott-screaming-gif-8240894685867321372

[low lance]

Well number 2 messing a lot of color the galaxy is just beige and its a lot more noise plus the background isn't as dark

[low lance]

Why they are chill

[ivory mural]

they voted no to the fishing channel

[cedar dome]

Fish

[undone sinew]

i kinda wanna make a google form to poll people in this server on random things related to ap

And then compare the data

But idk i dont think i could get a sample size larger than 20 or so

[low lance]

Oh

[wise mason]

fishing gets way more gorey, them predator fish are unforgiving

especially them tunafishes, more hemoglobin than fish

[undone sinew]

bro every single poll has been used

[woeful ivy]

thankfully im not in this list

[woeful ivy]

i love democracy

[glacial bear]

Read "CW bar" as "Crowbar" at first.

[ivory mural]

of course it comes with a crowbar, its so you can take your anger out on the mount when it isnt guiding well

[glacial bear]

Fair

[urban quiver]

I wish it came with a crowbar, that’d be sick

[ivory mural]

proxisky branded crowbar

[glacial bear]

PS: It'll work

[summer turret]

Would be interesting to do visual with a camara lens

[swift heart]

You could make a monocular out of one

[fossil temple]

My 10" newt is insane for visual. Absolute bucket

[marble hearth]

Use the viewfinder

[swift heart]

@cerulean elm surely you can do visual with your Newt?

[cerulean elm]

I can't. The focuser travel is insufficient for visual

[swift heart]

Oof ah well

Does your focuser not support extensions

[cerulean elm]

I does support extensions. But I only have ±1 cm of safe focuser travel. Total range from intra to extrafocal is 2cm😂

[lofty jetty]

How did i miss this poll

[devout tinsel]

To play or watch?

[fossil temple]

Play/watch

[devout tinsel]

Play- HEMA (historical fencing)
Watch- f1

[mint talon]

golf

[urban quiver]

Ice Hockey 🔥

[cerulean elm]

Astrophotography.

[vagrant basin]

Wrestling

[glacial bear]

I'm not a sports person. 🤷

[low lance]

Sprinting and competitive power hiking

[rain void]

what mono does to a man lmao

[swift heart]

Yeah I mean I have dedicated imaging filters (8) and dedicated visual filters (2 that I actively use, technically 3)

[fallen obsidian]

squash

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-confuse-question-ask-gif-10512208

[ivory mural]

https://www.youtube.com/live/7bcpnn_PO-A

[plucky vigil]

Starship for the uninitiated

[violet dagger]

damn this poll made me realize that i own quite a lot of filters

L, L, L, R, G, B, IR720, moon filter for visual, SV 220

1 luminance for my main cam, another one for the guide camera and yet another one that i dont use because its 2" however i used it in the past

[cerulean elm]

Optolong LRGB
Svbony 5n SHO kit
Baader Ha
Baader L
2 x Svbony IR pass filters
1 x 52mm 950nm IR pass

[undone sinew]

Wait does the guide camera ALSO need a luminance filter?

god damn it am i supposed to buy 2 luminance filters for my setup

[cerulean elm]

Unnecessary. I'm guiding either in IR or naked sensor. Depends on the seeing

[fallen obsidian]

650nm, uv/ir cut

[violet dagger]

no, however

if your guide scope is shitty then yes because without one you will have big halos around stars

[low lance]

Bro its not that expensive

Svbony got ones for like 10 bucks

[tender hollow]

This is heavily dependent on your rig

or what you're doing

[undone sinew]

mmmmj

[low lance]

Poor seeing only affect high focal lenght poor transparency will affect all focal lenghts equally thats why its worst

[fallen obsidian]

its either not seeing anything or a blurry image

[summer turret]

your next untracked target should be to get a tracker

thank me later

[fallen obsidian]

i am buying one

[fallen obsidian]

I just bought a lens for the tracker

prob gonna be either a used heq5, eqm-35 or eq-al55i

[summer turret]

when

[fallen obsidian]

christmas

i eventually want to put either a 130pds or some f/4 150mm newt and pair one of those with a nexus

[zealous cloak]

both's brightness should be toned down but whatever

[undone sinew]

ITS LITERALLY THE SAME

[cerulean elm]

The right is slightly more vibrant and has better separation between Hα and OIII regions

[zealous cloak]

Look at the corners and the crescent. If im posting them its because ive checked there's a difference

[zealous cloak]

I have to disagree on the separation between structures part

[rain void]

In the right one, the blue is much bluer

[brisk copper]

both same

[zealous cloak]

[brisk copper]

:3

[cerulean elm]

Color separation doesn't count, but blue much bluer does count... ex cuse me?

[rain void]

blub much bluber

[bronze minnow]

literally cannot tell a difference what

[ivory mural]

hmmm

[zealous cloak]

I see it fine in any device

Slow WiFi maybe?

[cerulean elm]

To be honest... that has a more obvious difference that the clear image

[ivory mural]

Yeah it took a minute to load

[ivory mural]

Crescent is better on right but dust around it is better on the left

[zealous cloak]

Agreed

I cant mask the crescent as well as I did that time

[zealous cloak]

Right but less saturated

[urban quiver]

Should be multiple choice

I use 3 of these options

[lofty jetty]

@zealous cloak thoughts?

[low lance]

Gonna get cooled mono cam this Christmas W

[zealous cloak]

Better

[zealous cloak]

Bg is blotchy tho. Did you use any kind of star reduction script?

[lofty jetty]

Yes

How do I get rid of that blotchyness

[zealous cloak]

By not using the star reduction script

[lofty jetty]

then there are too many stars 😭

By reduction, do you mean starnet or desaturation

[zealous cloak]

By reduction i mean reduction

Starnet is not a star reduction script

[lofty jetty]

Oh, in that case I didn't use a reduction script

[zealous cloak]

Then idk where the blotchiness is coming from

[lofty jetty]

Btw, does "destretching" the stars manually count as reduction? What I did was crank the symmetry point to its max and then adjust the stretch factor slider until the stars were a nice size

(in ghst)

[zealous cloak]

Why dont you just stretch them normally

https://youtu.be/h-AG2PJRI68?si=kpeoV63daZbp6Mk1 @lofty jetty

[lofty jetty]

Does this apply to siril?

[zealous cloak]

I believe so

I dont remember everything in tje video from the top of my head but the processes used in the video are histo transformation and curves

[lofty jetty]

this is awkward...
I have that same sort of blotchy in this starless, and this is straight out of cropping and starnet, nothing else

This is after BGE of the starless

[zealous cloak]

Weird then

Idk the exact cause

But if its inherent to the data... maybe its a problem produced by some capturing issue

[lofty jetty]

Like a problem with the sensor or?

[zealous cloak]

No

Is this data calibrated?

[lofty jetty]

Yes

That might be it

I'll try stacking without flats

[zealous cloak]

If somethings weird with an image i always point at flats

[rain void]

This doesn't seem like a flat problem tho. Just star removal with too little data

[lofty jetty]

Like int time?

[rain void]

Ye

[lofty jetty]

I got 4 and a half hours

[rain void]

Or bad aberrations maybe

What kinda scope are you using?

[lofty jetty]

Rokinon 135mm f/2 lens

[rain void]

Maybe a mix then idk

But I wouldn't blame flats

[rain void]

How does the image look with stars?

[rain void]

Definitely looks like star removal artifacts

Maybe it isn't even a problem with int time

And stars don't look bad, so probably not aberrations

So just too many stars for whatever software you're using

[lofty jetty]

Is there any way to configure starnet to reduce these problems, or another star removal program altogether?

[rain void]

Try StarXTerminator

[lofty jetty]

I don't have pix unfortunately

[rain void]

You can ask in #1262558166898446416 they'll probably do it

[lofty jetty]

Aight I will 👍

[rain void]

I'm not home with my PC at the moment unfortunately

[lofty jetty]

Np, ty for the advice nonetheless

[brisk copper]

star

[lofty jetty]

Idk i only see like 3

[bronze minnow]

where
ion see nun

[fossil temple]

Phone supremacy

[zealous cloak]

Tickle pickle

[ivory mural]

my body would be unrecognizable

[marble hearth]

reminder to never rush setting ur scope up

[low lance]

Bruh that's not even bad i need to spend a long ass time setting up just to achive 1.2" guiding

[marble hearth]

this is terrible - i usually get 0.7" and even that is mediocre for my setup 😭

[low lance]

Best i ever got was 0.7 sustained but short term like a few minutes i got down to 0.4

[obsidian plover]

Not a scratch

[marble hearth]

How does one guide in broad daylight

[obsidian plover]

dso guide graph 0.26"

[cerulean elm]

Guiding at half the diffraction limit of the telescope

[glacial bear]

Orion EQ5

[lofty jetty]

Same

The bright star at the witch broom nebula is kinda fcked in the first image but overall I think the dimmer stars mean a better image

[tender hollow]

Vixen GP

[urban quiver]

I paid for a Proxisky mount but it hasn’t come yet, does the count

[bronze minnow]

I want to vote but I'm keeping it a tie out of funny

[lofty jetty]

67%

[summer turret]

average

[low lance]

Mid

[cerulean elm]

Bad

[fossil temple]

Never used any

[cerulean elm]

Wise man

[supple wraith]

I use ZWO for the same reason I use apple, that’s what I started with and now it feels too late to go back.

[swift heart]

Yeah I decided to steer clear of the ZWO trap

They can get back to me when ASIAIR supports other cameras and their guide cams support USB 3

[bronze minnow]

what's a zwo

[summer turret]

Zebra walking operation

[marble hearth]

Zomputer womputer oomputer

[bronze minnow]

no im serious

[marble hearth]

It's a company that makes astrogear

Like skywatcher and svbony

But it's often really expensive and doesn't offer much compared to other brands except maybe simplicity?

It's like Apple of the astrogear ig

[bronze minnow]

ah

[dense perch]

idk if i’ve posted this yet

i prob have but idc

[ivory mural]

idk if you have but im sure someone has

[summer turret]

a lot of people

[dense perch]

okay well ill make a NEW ONE!

[marble hearth]

Southerners definitely have the most dark skies advantage

[obsidian plover]

north has way way more dark dusty stuff, i think south might barely have cooler emission nebula there pretty equal tho

[rain void]

Northern has cygnus

Nothing else compares

[cerulean elm]

Cygnus is the best. More nebulae packed in a single constelattion than the whole southern hemisphere

[summer turret]

youve not seen this https://app.astrobin.com/i/7bg4cb

[zealous cloak]

https://app.astrobin.com/i/hd2xk7 pretty comparable

if not better

[cerulean elm]

Ok... I really underestimated Cygnus
More beautiful than I remember

[cerulean elm]

Do you guys have this?

I know I didn't managed to get the jet powered bubble very well, but it is there

[low lance]

Tbh equator is best because you get to enjoy both northern and southern skies

[cerulean elm]

And all the rain you can ask for😂

[low lance]

Unless you are in the Sahara

Then again dust storms hmm you can't win can you

[cerulean elm]

Sahara is on Tropic, not equator

[low lance]

Doesnt need to be exact even Sahara gets you 98% of all constellations

[cerulean elm]

Idk if I want my mount to be almost horizontal 😂

[swift heart]

Can't be sure yet but the spot diagrams look great and it looks like a better value proposition than a RedCat

[delicate lance]

For anyone interested https://www.touptekastro.com/products/hope-d60

[swift heart]

I'd still take an Askar F series refractor over it though, just because I don't think this kind of design supports visual use

[delicate lance]

True

[delicate lance]

We will have to see

[brisk copper]

everything better value than redcar

asskar scopes defo are anyways (i think the svboner is close too)

[delicate lance]

i requested raw data of the frac from touptek to process so i can make up my mind

[swift heart]

Smart move

I may have to ask if anyone has attempted to use the design visually

My hopes are not high but perhaps it will work, idk

[brisk copper]

it has square stars

well, square spots

[delicate lance]

damon already has reviews but theyre members only atm

[urban quiver]

Value and RedCat are never in the same sentence

[brisk copper]

wow, demon be speedrunnin

[dense perch]

hmmm okay uhhh

yeesh that’s lon

g

sorry

[silver holly]

Vela region is nice too. More dust.

[fallen obsidian]

a mix of ring and lenticular or ring and barred

[fossil temple]

Gravitationally lensed galaxies are pretty neat

[glacial bear]

Honestly it depends very much on the quality of material the use.

[delicate lance]

aluminum alloy, CNC machined

cant tell you more

damon has a review but its still members only atm

[glacial bear]

That's a good start. The important thing is what kind of glass. As you said, we'll find out.

[delicate lance]

SD glass and lanthanum glass

[glacial bear]

Coated?

[delicate lance]

I think so

[glacial bear]

All sounds promising then.

[delicate lance]

The design supports visual use it seems

At least they said that

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFohdUG4aqf4nqYH55qwkHkKH1nkPYRAD?si=kEjmcfqgfff9LLGS

[swift heart]

Doesn't support a diagonal, which makes things a little harder

[delicate lance]

yeaahhh

[summer turret]

camaras kinda mid anyways

[fallen obsidian]

dont have one so dont care

[urban quiver]

my current tracker cause my new one arrives in 3 weeks

[tender hollow]

Doesn't matter, lake effect cloud season just hit

[glacial bear]

Be awfully hard for me to lose Rio.

Not impossible, just really really hard.

[ivory mural]

my scope is the cheapest part of my rig and i have two

[glacial bear]

$700 for Rio, $600 for Evie ... those are the most expensive parts of my setup. $450 for the ASI585

[ivory mural]

300 for mine

[cerulean elm]

Facts. I haven't imaged at all this month

[lofty jetty]

Imaging "telescope" because I could do with a 70-300 for a month

[low lance]

I might get 2 imaging sessions in December if I'm lucky

[cerulean elm]

i also hope for atleast that

[low lance]

November is the rainiest month for me so i can basically just forget about touching my setup

[cerulean elm]

same here

[delicate lance]

i havent imaged since march

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248873743116140586/1273203966024487003/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[undone sinew]

you guys are imaging?

[fallen obsidian]

what are we on about rn, the choice should be obvious

[zealous cloak]

Mono any day

[rain void]

no way people are actually saying mono 585

the 571 has more than 5x the sensor area

[fallen obsidian]

thats the camera im gonna get for my new rig vro

[rain void]

ofc, if i had to pay for it i'd choose the 585 too

but i'd much rather have the 571

[fallen obsidian]

the ir sensitivity and the small pixels

[swift heart]

Yeah but OSC 🤮
I want my IR quantum efficiency maxed out

[rain void]

sure, maybe if you really wanna do IR, but otherwise...

5x is 5x

even with a ~2x efficiency loss from OSC instead of mono, it's still just significantly more data

[fallen obsidian]

dawg what are you talking about, its mono

[rain void]

sure, but no data and micro FOV

[low lance]

Mono > OSC

[delicate lance]

I know, but a lot of people here, me included, would rather have e.g. a Fullframe sensor thats OSC over a really small sensor thats Mono

so im looking how the line is on 585 vs APS-C

[low lance]

If you wanna do widefield so badly just get a widefield telescope

It will end up much cheaper

Cheaper filters cheaper camera heck even cheaper telescope

[delicate lance]

you did not just compare a fullframe sensor to FOV

please tell me you did not do that

[low lance]

Yeah and significantly longer stacking time probably gonna take over a day to stack all of the images

[low lance]

Its the same aint it

[delicate lance]

w h a t

if it were the same people wouldnt buy FF sensors 😭

[low lance]

Bigger sensor on high focal lenght = wider fov small sensor plus low focal lenght = wider fov

[delicate lance]

oh my lord

[low lance]

They just want to spend money

[delicate lance]

this tells me you have no clue what youre talking about when it comes to sensors 😭

[low lance]

Enlighten me then

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[rain void]

Ah yes, i hate when i simply have too much data. would much rather just make a worse image to reduce stacking time

[rain void]

As a full frame owner i completely agree with this sentiment

[delicate lance]

1. a bigger sensor gives you a wider FOV without changing sampling
2. you can get a wider FOV with larger apertures without worrying about FL
3. RESOLUTION. Ever heard of that?
4. You can crop down if you need, and dont crop if you dont need to.

Calling "getting a widefield scope" the same as getting a Fullframe sensor PROVES you dont know what youre talkingn about

browi can likely add more points on this

[rain void]

i mean "widefield" is not very precisely defined

most people would call my RASA a widefield rig, but it is still a 620mm scope but just with a very large sensor

[delicate lance]

doesnt need to be for this context

[rain void]

and i'd agree

[delicate lance]

less FL and larger sensor are NOT the same things

[low lance]

Alright

[rain void]

also completely true

[swift heart]

You also have less to correct in terms of aberration, which is important if your optics don't perform well at the edges. But then again, my priorities are very different from yours

I love stitching mosaics

[rain void]

big FOV doesn't prevent you from stitching mosaics 🗣️

[swift heart]

true

[rain void]

in fact, it doesn't even prevent you from stitching absolutely enormous mosaics like i am rn

[delicate lance]

who was that guy that did a 50 panel mosaic of cygnus

[rain void]

[swift heart]

Me, next year

[rain void]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[delicate lance]

or was it 70 panels

[delicate lance]

no it was some guy with a frac

[rain void]

i'm doing 30 but i seriously considered 50

20 panels just to get veil included seemed a bit excessive tho

[low lance]

Also the 571 is aps-c not fullframe

[rain void]

true, but it is still 5.22x the sensor area

then idc what you call it

[delicate lance]

i.. know... i never said it was??

[swift heart]

I mean I'm more interested in close-up of large emission regions, small galaxies, obscured galaxies, and imaging infrared, so a mono 585 is the better tool for me. Not everyone, ofc

[low lance]

Ohh mb

[low lance]

Same

[swift heart]

I did consider one but a 533 was the better choice for me

Starvis II 533 successor when

[low lance]

A bit out of budget for me and i dont mind the slightly smaller sensor

[low lance]

Isnt the 585 the successor

[delicate lance]

..what

it’s a completely different series

The 585 is the successor to the 485

[low lance]

Or wait that the successor of the 485

[low lance]

Yeah

[delicate lance]

Also fun fact

The 585 already has a successor

[swift heart]

(I also would not complain about a larger sensor, tbh, but I'd prefer something around 4/3")

[swift heart]

wait really?

[low lance]

Really

[delicate lance]

Yeah, it’s stupid

The IMX835

Same specs BUT

Double sided AR coating

[low lance]

Tbh im waiting for starvis III

[delicate lance]

What I’m waiting for is an astrocam with the IMX810

[swift heart]

15mm × 15mm Starvis II sensor with 2um pixels and hardware bin2 would be ideal for me

[rain void]

why not just 4um pixels then?

[low lance]

Cause flexibility ig

[delicate lance]

if you hardware bin2 a camera you dont get flexibility lol

[delicate lance]

basically a 492 but 15x15

and without hardware bin

[swift heart]

Oh what so you mean

[delicate lance]

getting a 15x15 sensor with 2um pixels that DOESNT hardware bin is the better chhoice

since you can just bin afterwards for the same result and can choose not to bin when convenient

[urban quiver]

You can’t convince the mono cult 🥀

[fallen obsidian]

mono the best

[tender hollow]

The difference is a LOT more than 2x

[fallen obsidian]

prob like 4x

its the same in ir tho i think

[low lance]

Also doesn't the 585 have 91% qe vs the 80% of the 571 excluding the fact that its osc

And the higher read noise on the 571

It does have lower dark current tho which is a plus

[low lance]

Forgot to put in microwave

[glacial bear]

Let's presume that none of them would do any harm for being seen.

[cedar dome]

Radio waves would not be fun to see, since they would be almost everywhere

[glacial bear]

Was hovering over that button and my brain just went "Dude. No. Wouldn't want that."

And I just got this image of the radio waves being ... well, everywhere. Like static on a broken TV everywhere. Wouldn't be able to distinguish anything.

[undone sinew]

would seeing infrared be a redder red or a completely new color

[rain void]

Just judging from graphs, the 571 has >50% QE in the whole visible range, sooo... What are you talking about?

So unless you're doing IR (which specifically mentioned I was not talking about), you're saying your 585 is more than 100% efficient which I find pretty hard to believe

[restive fiber]

Your opinion. I think of it as an extension of red or a redder red.

[cold moon]

Just get a widefield rig AND a full frame sensor smh. And make sure it has 1.45μm pixels

[delicate lance]

completely new colour as youd need a new set of cones for IR

[cerulean elm]

3D printed adapter

[urban quiver]

Don’t own a 3d printer

And it still costs $15 to buy one that is

[ivory mural]

that should be the next thing u save for

3d printing is so useful

[delicate lance]

$4.3M Velctro strips? damn they expensive

[urban quiver]

no 3M is the type

[urban quiver]

Don’t need one

[delicate lance]

i was making a joke

[urban quiver]

You never know nowadays

[tender hollow]

You do realize we're talking about OSC vs Mono, not just 571 vs 585, right?

[rain void]

I do, but even considering OSC vs mono, you're still getting significantly more total signal with the 571 assuming we're in the visible range

if you just pick your targets right

that's the whole caveat i guess

[tender hollow]

Are you talking about technically having more data because of a wider FOV/larger sensor or SNR in general?

[rain void]

well both really, you get more signal because the sensor is larger, and you can always choose to downsample to the same resolution as the 585 to get better SNR than the 585

but that's why i say the caveat is you have to pick your targets right

if you choose to image a small PN or something the larger sensor won't get you more signal

[tender hollow]

or really anything that can be imaged with the 585's sensor size

[rain void]

yeah ofc, but the 585 will have an even more terrible time imaging something that fits nicely with a 571

[tender hollow]

whatever it can do, it will do with significantly better SNR and produce a better image than the 571 would
Especially when shooting narrowband / lum

[rain void]

so in the end it all comes down to which targets you're ok with imaging, but personally i'd always choose the large ones because the final image will look sharper because the effect of bad seeing is much smaller when your FOV is larger

[tender hollow]

The pixel size is larger on the 571 which gives better SNR but not nearly enough to offset the benefits of mono

[rain void]

no but the larger area more than offsets it

like imagine youre imaging something that fits the 571 perfectly

if you had to image that object in the same amount of time with a 585 you'd only have less than a 5th of the integration time on each panel of the mosaic

so the 585 can asbolutely not do the same but better

[tender hollow]

Fair point. it does come down to personal preference here. I would always go with the better data personally, there are plenty of targets you can frame fine on a 585

[rain void]

it's not "better data" tho

[tender hollow]

If you take mosaics into consideration then sure the 571 is more efficient