Polls 5.0

[plucky vigil]

NOOOO

damn I had hopes

[summer turret]

the guy we were playing with

[plucky vigil]

Shiii

[late summit]

Not for long after ts

[silver holly]

Can you describe their texts? Like questions they asked and stuff.

[gentle shuttle]

Lied about being Australian looking for a DOB

[summer turret]

he asked for telescope reccomendations, had a $3k aud budget and lived in melbourne

[gentle shuttle]

Used Australian lingo

[silver holly]

Nuke Melbourne from orbit?

[summer turret]

yea screw mel*ourne

[gentle shuttle]

nooo best clothing brand ever is in melbourne!!!!

[undone sinew]

What happened??

is this about the recent assassination thing

[cerulean elm]

We don't talk about it

[undone sinew]

Where is thomas

What did you guys do

[summer turret]

he went to sleep

[undone sinew]

You guys killed him???

WHAT??

[summer turret]

more like

[undone sinew]

Did he leave or did you guys ban him

[summer turret]

he left

[undone sinew]

Okay now i NEED to see what happened im gonna search up the user id

[summer turret]

you wont find the whole context

[undone sinew]

what is the context then

[summer turret]

_ _

[undone sinew]

thanks

[restive fiber]

I think he blocked you

[gentle shuttle]

no he left

its just like that when you have no mutuals

[restive fiber]

Wow

[lofty jetty]

Yeah

[brisk copper]

wtf is wrong with bob?!

[summer turret]

[zealous cloak]

Bob be bobbin

[brisk copper]

bobble dobble

knew it lmao

[cerulean elm]

I really hope the mods don't confuse names

[quasi cedar]

Oh my God that's right lol, sorry it's been a while since I read about him, it was like 4 am for me so I was really tired too that prob didn't help, thanks for correcting me <3

[bronze minnow]

i wanna see broken biscuits 🥹

[cold moon]

There's no such thing

[cerulean elm]

Those are myths.

[bronze minnow]

i refuse to believe you

[brisk copper]

its not real

[bronze minnow]

skepticism

[brisk copper]

look!

[bronze minnow]

it was never implied it was a channel here

also where's the other half of the channel list

[brisk copper]

mf, theres like 100 channels

[bronze minnow]

still
it was never implied broken bisc was a channel in this server

[brisk copper]

damn, you got me there

[bronze minnow]

all yall claimed was that it didn't exist, not that it wasn't here

[brisk copper]

it doesnt exist

[bronze minnow]

lies

[brisk copper]

its not in my server list either!

[bronze minnow]

i only recognise astrobicuit here so it could be any

[brisk copper]

trust me

[bronze minnow]

no

[brisk copper]

@mint talon am i trust worthy :3

[cerulean elm]

Trust me? There's no such thing as broken biscuits

[brisk copper]

yea, i think everyone can agree it isnt real

[cerulean elm]

It's a conspiracy theory made by people in this server

[brisk copper]

they just wanna get into your head

[bronze minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186345839774400583/1320839956410798111/attachment.gif

it will always sit in the back of my head

your adamant denial of it's existence doesn't convince any more

[brisk copper]

why would you cling onto these falsities and lies

[bronze minnow]

this is why

[cerulean elm]

It's like Atlantis. Rumors... sometimes so good that you almost believe them

[brisk copper]

the thing is, its too good to be true

[bronze minnow]

you being so adamant it doesn't exist makes it look like you're hiding something

[brisk copper]

we have nothing to hide

[mint talon]

yea

[brisk copper]

:3

[bronze minnow]

-# i feel like it's just the politics channel -c-

[bronze minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372981515188699177/1411306020378247250/silly.gif

[mint talon]

:3

[brisk copper]

nah, poltics is bananad

[mint talon]

my god

[cerulean elm]

[brisk copper]

QUIET.

[cerulean elm]

[bronze minnow]

other emoji reacts here

[cerulean elm]

[brisk copper]

i mean, this is my own testing server

[restive fiber]

Oh

Wait

Well, too many

[delicate lance]

your poll was like "fast scope or slow scope?"

[restive fiber]

He he

[rain void]

How do people unanimously agree on this, but still own RC's

i don't get it

[brisk copper]

i didnt see the poll

my bad

[desert obsidian]

Huh

Small scope with high magnification will not be sharp

Large scope with low magnification will be sharper

[rain void]

RC's are pretty much the definition of more fl and less aperture for the same price

[desert obsidian]

Who said less aperture

[rain void]

the poll???

[desert obsidian]

Usually low focal length scope have less aperture

Unless you have a rasa

[rain void]

yeah but an RC compared to a similarly priced f4 newt will both be more FL and less aperture

which brings me back to my original question... WHY??

[desert obsidian]

More magnification with a similar aperture = sharper

😼

[rain void]

only if you're undersampled

[desert obsidian]

Edgehd 11 is sharper than rasa 11 for example (with similar sampling)

Not the same as newt obviously

[rain void]

that has nothing to do with the FL

[desert obsidian]

I know i know

Bad example

[limpid geode]

H

[rain void]

it's because EdgeHD has "better" optics, because optics are easier to make if it's slow as shit

[desert obsidian]

Source: me

[rain void]

the FL itself is irrelevant

for perfect optics, only the aperture matters *for sharpness

assuming you have small enough pixels to not be undersampled, but that's always the case for big scopes

which once again brings me back to why anyone would ever in their entire life want an RC instead of a bigger, faster and wider f4 newt

like i'm literally puzzled by this, if someone knows please tell me

[gleaming hearth]

Once you hit 10"+ you're usually seeing limited anyways

[rain void]

yeah, but that just means you want FL even less

at that point more FL does nothing else than make your scope slower and have smaller FOV

[gleaming hearth]

Or just a bigger sensor, which you can do since good RCs should have larger corrected imaging circle

[gleaming hearth]

this is true though

[rain void]

sure, but that just seems like an f4 newt with extra steps lol

and a lot extra price

[brisk copper]

thinking of possibly making moar professional yk

[vagrant basin]

hmm maybe maybe

[ivory mural]

@rain void @tidal tundra @marble hearth I will hunt you down

[tidal tundra]

Okidoki ❤️😘😘

[rain void]

why would i ever want to use my eyes

[cold moon]

Absolute fire dynamic range

[gentle shuttle]

Portability. I can carry an 8 RC on a bus but I can't carry an 8 Newtonian on a bus

[rain void]

6" f4 newt > RC8

[gentle shuttle]

But RC8 spikes are gorgeous

Can I get those with a newt?

[rain void]

...yes?

but even better... you could avoid them with a rasa

[gentle shuttle]

I could afford a RASA 8 but not an 11, and I want that FL.

[rain void]

but why do you want that FL

[gentle shuttle]

Galaxies

[rain void]

and?

well compared to rasa 8 that's fair, because that is short af, but a newt

a newt has enough fl

you can't use more

you gain nothing, while making you scope slower and throwing away FOV

[gentle shuttle]

But portability

[rain void]

surely a 6" newt is more portable

[gentle shuttle]

and nearly half the FL of a 8 inch RC

right?

[rain void]

THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING

[gentle shuttle]

You make a convincing argument

I think i'll flip a coin

[rain void]

but i agree, for the purpose of small galaxies, and small galaxies ONLY, an RC8 is better than a 6" newt

[brisk copper]

6" newt is kinda ehh

[rain void]

like an RC8 :)

[brisk copper]

i need an rc 10

or an odk

when i have the funds ill get an odk

[rain void]

ok but now portability is also not an argument

so a 10 or 12 inch f4 newt is just straight up better lol

[brisk copper]

o yea

[brisk copper]

not if i want to shoot galaxies

sorry, im just ragebaiting at this point

[rain void]

why not? you don't gain any sharpness because you're heavily seeing limited anyways

[rain void]

[brisk copper]

yea lmaoo

[brisk copper]

sorryyy

i was feeling silly

[brisk copper]

I could probably get a 12" and stop it down to f3 and still have a good fov for galaxies

why you sobbing

[rain void]

stop it down to f8 for the RC experience

[brisk copper]

i may as well get an rc

bc then i wont have to add glass

[rain void]

well if you really want the RC experience, sure

[brisk copper]

rc's would probably be decent for uv imaging if u think about it

bc usually uv gets absorbed a lot by glass

[rain void]

oh yeah that one of the few good reasons to get an RC

goofy wavelengths where you can't use glass

[brisk copper]

its all fun and games until you want to shoot somewhere in the 2000nm wavelength and realise the atmosphere absorbs over 99% of it

thats when you travel to space instead

no seeing limits either

[rain void]

or just don't shoot in that range

like a normal person

[brisk copper]

i love ir tho

and uv

ir is literally so hot

[rain void]

🇬🇧

[brisk copper]

i can feel the aura coming off of ir light

[rain void]

actually i hate uk nvm

[brisk copper]

thats how hot it is

[brisk copper]

i hate it here too dw

i personally want to go to a country that cares about my rights and i wont get arrested for saying i dislike the government online

there literally isnt freedom of speech here

[gentle shuttle]

Outlaws E2E
Requires ID for some internet sites

Do you have a license for that?

[brisk copper]

some internet sites is an understatement

[gentle shuttle]

[hybrid echo]

and small galaxies ONLY,
you acting like there are more than 7 galaxies with a large angular size in the sky

[brisk copper]

yea lmaoo

[rain void]

i'm acting like there are other targets than galaxies...

[brisk copper]

galaxies are life, galaxies are love

[rain void]

galaxies are small, galaxies are faint, galaxies are similar, galaxies are not worth imaging

[brisk copper]

hai brainandforce

[swift heart]

Here's my answers:

• Compactness – an RC is smaller than any 8" Newt
• Visual use – can't do that with a RASA, and an RC delivers a nice wide field with a 40 mm eyepiece at f/8
• No chromatic aberration – even with Newts you'd probably have some with a coma corrector, and I shoot plenty of IR (and plan to shoot UV)

I don't think the RC is particularly amazing at any one thing, but it's good at all the things I personally care about

[brisk copper]

don't forget rc look cool bc of le chonk

[swift heart]

Yeah also RCs just have powerful auras

[rain void]

• Doesn't affect the quality of my image

• Doesn't affect quality of my image

• barely affects of my image

[swift heart]

Don't get me wrong RASAs are great, just not what I personally need

[rain void]

i'm not even talking about RASAs, just RC vs Newt

[swift heart]

I would love to get a RASA or HAC125 for outreach/EAA

[brisk copper]

hac125 for torturing

[rain void]

please don't get a HAC that thing is an abomination

[swift heart]

That's part of the appeal tbh

It's a strange thing

I probably have more telescope collector tendencies than most people here and would rather struggle with an exotic scope than get something that Just Works™

The challenge is part of the fun for me

[rain void]

but surely only if the struggle gives you a better result in some way???

[swift heart]

Eh, what does "better" mean?

[rain void]

just better in any single way lol

[brisk copper]

omg, same, thats why i want a 4.5" f4newt

and that 4.5" cc

[swift heart]

I am so close to impulse buying one

It's adorable

[brisk copper]

i also want one of those russian maks

[brisk copper]

its just so cute

you could use it as a guidescope

[hybrid echo]

wait till you realize where you live

[brisk copper]

they live in an alternative reality

[rain void]

galaxies are small from other parts of the earth too?

[late summit]

he meant the earth is small i'm pretty sure

[hybrid echo]

U live in a galaxy
every nebula you image
is in a galaxy
there are billions more nebulae in galaxies other than our own
so even if u value nebulae more, galaxies are still better

[rain void]

acting like every astrophotographer ever is not talking about angular size when they say "small" or "large"

[hybrid echo]

like
if you wanna shoot orion for the rest of your life cause its got a big angular size u can but u gon miss out bro

[brisk copper]

you are acting like you arent listening

[rain void]

i haven't even shot orion lmfao

[brisk copper]

that not what he said

this second message is also reply to my previous reply

[hybrid echo]

what generic nebula are you gonna spend your life shooting then
C20? M16?

[rain void]

but if that's not what he means, it should be immediately obvious that he's talking ooga booga cave man logic

[brisk copper]

sigma wall or egg nebula

[desert obsidian]

I would think it has something to do with the reducer in the rasa/hyperstar

[rain void]

go look through your window into the apartment across the street because he has a painting on the wall, instead of looking at the one you have on your own wall lol

[brisk copper]

they weren't talking about size at all

[rain void]

that's the same logic

maybe the other apartment even has multiple paintings

[brisk copper]

are they the same painting?

[hybrid echo]

yeah
you will have to if you ever wanna see a painting different from the one on ur wall

cause you cant buy a new painting

[brisk copper]

soent it all on rasa

[rain void]

but the street is REALLY wide and and the paintings all look similar

better explore your own humongous wall painting first

[hybrid echo]

bro what do you mean every nebula looks similar

[rain void]

i'm not

[brisk copper]

what if you have already explored all you can?!

[rain void]

you haven't.

[brisk copper]

who says

[hybrid echo]

no but
pretty much every sky survey has

[rain void]

bruh

they have looked at the galaxies too my guy

[brisk copper]

i could own multiple observatories for all you know

[rain void]

in fact, the painting across the street is even part of your giant ass wall painting

[rain void]

no

[brisk copper]

[hybrid echo]

they have, but not in the same depth.

[rain void]

that's the exact same case for your enormous wall painting

and also why are we even talking about surveys...

[brisk copper]

us personally can look in it in more depth

[rain void]

surely you don't avoid taking a picture because someone else has

[rain void]

what if i told you it's still the same situation...

[brisk copper]

you would be wrong

you don't want to change so theres no point arguing

[hybrid echo]

yeah lol? why would i do the same thing as someone else when i could do something else. That's like the difference between following an experiment procedure in a high school lab and doing undergrad research

[rain void]

i hate when i visit the eiffel tower but i can't take a picture because someone else already did :(

[hybrid echo]

the reason you cant take a picture is cause its copyrighted
but also yeah i dont rlly do that whole thing of "take generic picture of landmark"

[rain void]

so you only image objects that no one else has imaged?

[brisk copper]

the only photos i take on holiday is usually of animals like cats and stuff

lamdmark imaging is boring

maybe if i find a cool coral formation ill take a picture

[rain void]

sadly, people have already taken pictures of cool coral formations so gg

[brisk copper]

not all of them tho

theres millions undiscovered

[hybrid echo]

I image them in ways that people havent imaged them lol
SWIR, LWIR, spectral, exotic narrowband, diy 3ccd, etc etc

[rain void]

true, but i don't believe you guys only image things noone else has seen before lol

[brisk copper]

you still clearly dont understand

[brisk copper]

im not ready for that yet personally, im waiting of my final pieces of equipment

[rain void]

nothing is stopping you from doing that with nebulae, also we were talking about newts vs RC's generally, not in your case specifically

i'm still not denying that RC's are better for some things, but for the vast majority of users, for the vast majority of targets, newts are better

targets that the users actually image, that is

[hybrid echo]

nothing is stopping you from doing that with nebulae
it is tho, because most nebulae within the milky have already been imaged in more ways.

[brisk copper]

what about serious planetary nebula imagers

[rain void]

i literally just told you that i agree RC's are better for some things. Please read my last message again

[brisk copper]

i know, i was doing a silly again

[rain void]

i see, like any defender of the RC delusion must

[hybrid echo]

at the end of the day
both RC and newt are always inferior to TMA

[brisk copper]

wut tma?

[hybrid echo]

you know what a tma is lol
the holy grail of optics
what jwst uses

[brisk copper]

also, when metal disk telescope

i forgot name

[rain void]

if you have a space telescope yes

[brisk copper]

ohh, that thing

[rain void]

otherwise it's just like RC but worse

[brisk copper]

i plan on making a multi panel telescope eventually

[hybrid echo]

it has no aberrations
like at all bruh

[brisk copper]

it will be torture but will be fun

[hybrid echo]

the argoscope will be made eventually
ill use it for like, solar imaging in LWIR prob cause thats mathematically optimal

[rain void]

yeah so it's good if the atmosphere isn't aberrating everything and your mother

like in space

[hybrid echo]

the atmosphere doesnt give you astigmatism and field curvature blud

[brisk copper]

it will work worse than a mak but still a fun project, also being able to say i did it is a flex

[brisk copper]

gooood

[rain void]

no but it makes the slight errors in what can be achieved with a newt or most other designs irrelevant

[hybrid echo]

Vera rubin is also a tma, so is the ELT, they arent just in space

[brisk copper]

elf

[rain void]

ok we can also say "in space or one of the largest telescopes on earth" if that makes you happy

[hybrid echo]

this just in guys seeing means we dont need coma correctors

[rain void]

what

i just said what can be achieved... like with a coma corrector lmfao

[brisk copper]

that not what they meant ._.

also, are you 2 arguing as a bit or something

[hybrid echo]

ah i see i misunderstood, i thought you meant plain newt

[brisk copper]

seems rehearsed

[quasi cedar]

mom and dad are you fighting again?

[rain void]

nah just in general, you don't need to correct perfectly, just better than the atmosphere

[brisk copper]

[brisk copper]

amma get adaptive optics then

[hybrid echo]

you get more better than the atmosphere with a tma

[rain void]

yeah but it doesn't matter unless you have a telescope of the size no one can afford lol

also i think newts are ruled out for observatories of that size for much better reasons lmao

[brisk copper]

too espensiv

[hybrid echo]

nah
its worth it u just a hater

[rain void]

like the fact that a newt the size of a building seems impractical somehow

[brisk copper]

its for spiders to build a home

[hybrid echo]

i mean
William herschel did that

[rain void]

sure but i mean like a 138m fl f4 newt which would be the same aperture as ELT

idk what john uranus did, but i suspect it to be smaller

[hybrid echo]

about a hundred times smaller
but quite big

[rain void]

400mm aperture does not sound building-sized?

unless you mean one of those royal guard huts xd

[hybrid echo]

no it was 1.2m aperture

[rain void]

ah ok

[hybrid echo]

fl of 12m i got my numbers mixed up

[rain void]

fair

[swift heart]

I'd love to build a TMA at some point in my life, those are cool. Especially if it's usable for visual astronomy.

[swift heart]

TMAs are good for projects like Vera Rubin where you need a super large corrected field. For smaller fields an RC is sufficient because the astigmatism does not increase very much until you get far from the center (it increases quadratically while coma is linear)

And you can practically build them at faster f/ratios than an RC

[cold moon]

Take a look at the one I sent in BB (you can't do visual with that particular design tho, unless you add a diagonal)

[swift heart]

That is one I was interested in already. Not opposed to adding a diagonal in

A design allowing a Nasmyth-like focus would also be cool

[limpid geode]

The humble GOTO complex:

[hybrid echo]

yes
but it was with the viking probe

also that time when they found liquid water forming on the other lander

[uneven shore]

Yes, they used to do deep sea stuff and defo found something dead, therefore past life.

[marble hearth]

I don't got the aperture nor dark enough skies for visual 😩

[delicate lance]

RCs are big ap with medium magni

[ivory mural]

Lies

[brisk copper]

so are fish

[rain void]

People should switch out their RC for a fish

[brisk copper]

fish

[quasi cedar]

fsh

[brisk copper]

fih

[split tinsel]

You now have fish

[brisk copper]

wao

[desert obsidian]

Nuh

They should switch to an SCT

[undone sinew]

Hdhdhddbjb

[split tinsel]

Highly valuable and under rated contribution

[rain void]

Valid reaction to such an unhinged statement from @desert obsidian

[undone sinew]

is that. A fish

[rain void]

SCTs are probably the one telescope design i dislike more than RCs

[undone sinew]

an sct is a telescope

[rain void]

To the same extent as my trash can yes

[undone sinew]

an sct is an . Object. Used for a something

[rain void]

And a telescope is also an object used for something, ergo an sct is a telescope 🔳

[undone sinew]

i have seen a telescope . At least an amount of times

trlescopes are used

for

Usage

did you guys know

That if you are using

A. Telescope

You are actually usinge

It

for somethin wg

[brisk copper]

its a cute lil guy, are you going to eat it?

[desert obsidian]

Ok sorry. I meant maksutov-cassegrains

[desert obsidian]

too lil of a lil guy

[brisk copper]

lillilguy

[desert obsidian]

Caught a nice smallmouth too though

Hes gonna be my lunch

[brisk copper]

yumm

[desert obsidian]

No more?

[desert obsidian]

Tea

The vanishing of tea

[brisk copper]

wha

why am i vanishing?!

[desert obsidian]

why not

[brisk copper]

oh :<

[brisk copper]

car streeeeeech

[cold moon]

Noted.

[bronze minnow]

day 348
eclipse in 9
equinox in 10
c 2025 a6 mag 8.2 in lynx
still dim
11.0039

[mint talon]

wrong channel man

[bronze minnow]

OH

[mint talon]

lmao

[bronze minnow]

😭

[cerulean elm]

Reminds me of this meme

[lofty jetty]

Tokina not tokima

[cold moon]

20" Ritchey-Chrétien, next question.

[lofty jetty]

sybau bro

[delicate lance]

context that might be needed;

1. I can technically get an ES 16 Ultra-Light which is indeed upgradeable to be motorized, for 300 bucks upcharge.
2. Price Haggling is possible on only the dobsonians.
3. I have a 130PDS and HEQ5 already.

[cold moon]

16" dob is fire, even if you are in a relatively high bortle

[delicate lance]

what if

i sell my current setup and switch to big dob setup

[cold moon]

Lowkey sell one of your kidneys too and get a 40" dob

[undone sinew]

can you actually even buy a 40” dob or do you have to diy

[delicate lance]

orion sold a 50'' dob once

[undone sinew]

how much do they cost

Approximately

[undone sinew]

excuse me

5 meters focal length what the hell do you even use this for

[white roost]

what ever you want

[cold moon]

Interesting secondary

Makes sense tbh, it would be hard to look through it otherwise lol

[limpid geode]

Cheap ngl

[plucky vigil]

Planetary, PN’s, spectroscopy, very small galaxies/lensing. The really cool shite.

[marble hearth]

"astro" biscuit..

[fallen obsidian]

yes

[zealous cloak]

untracked stephans quintet?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[fallen obsidian]

dont vote it then

[full hatch]

you gonna lucky image it?

[cold moon]

Just ✨believe✨

[fallen obsidian]

depends on the target, but very short exposures .2 sec

[zealous cloak]

[fallen obsidian]

hater here

[zealous cloak]

Im not hating you just aren't being realistic. These targets are too small for untracked

M33 may be fine

[fallen obsidian]

my fov is the same a rubolos

[zealous cloak]

Ah okay I thought about a lens+dslr when you said untracked. My bad

[ivory mural]

He has 1270mm fl i think

[fallen obsidian]

and a 585

forced lucky imaging

[zealous cloak]

Either way he'll have to shoot a gazillion subs

[fallen obsidian]

36000

[ivory mural]

your poor pc

[fallen obsidian]

shoot 6000 subs a night, stack them during the day, stack the 6 master stack thingys

[fallen obsidian]

ill be fine

[zealous cloak]

How long does it take?

[fallen obsidian]

for what

the subs to stack?

[zealous cloak]

Yeah

[cold moon]

Rookie numbers

[fallen obsidian]

it takes me like 10-15 mins to stack 4000 subs

i think

[ivory mural]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-stare-at-paper-gif-5257839294650729742

[cold moon]

Bro has a NASA computer

[zealous cloak]

Da fuq

[ivory mural]

do you have a liquid nitrogen cooled threadripper 9995wx

[zealous cloak]

DSS?

[fallen obsidian]

good amd processor ig, if you take into acount the transfer of files it takes like 30

[zealous cloak]

Pix takes 8h to stack 300 x1 drizzle subs for me

[ivory mural]

What cytoplasm

Cpu

[zealous cloak]

Cytoplasm

[ivory mural]

Damn autocorrect

[ivory mural]

what

it takes 5 minutes for me

and i don't have a super fast cpu

[fallen obsidian]

ryzen 7 9800x

[zealous cloak]

My subs are 50mb

[cold moon]

Shitty laptop, my fault for having LN on tbh

[fallen obsidian]

mine are like 6

[zealous cloak]

Yeah that checks out

[fallen obsidian]

anyways vote in the poll please

[ivory mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234984645884641351/1405038927626108938/image.png?ex=68c838b8&is=68c6e738&hm=28377809e6c4f8e22828bcd72c2992032a08e959a63918f43258c1715f12e908&

[cold moon]

2MASS J0441+2301

[ivory mural]

it finished right sfter that screenshot

[fallen obsidian]

barlow up buttercup

[fallen obsidian]

grand uses pix?

[fallen obsidian]

Siril

[ivory mural]

not anymore

i am a siril poor person again

[fallen obsidian]

I could probably get some pretty dim stuff considering i could get the arms of ic 1296 in 4 mins of int

[ivory mural]

I would not do anything like ngc 206 where your whole fov is filled

Not when you're untracked

And especially not altaz untracked

[fallen obsidian]

mega crop

[ivory mural]

dont

[fallen obsidian]

ok

[fallen obsidian]

m33 also takes up my whole frame

[ivory mural]

which is why i wouldn't do that either

[fallen obsidian]

my fov for each

[limpid geode]

It's bigger than the moon, it should be fine

[summer turret]

What scope?

[undone sinew]

askar 103apo

I switched it cause i realized i just didnt care about the fov that much

[tidal tapir]

585 if you're interested in Ha, NIR and UV. Otherwise probably 533 just for the FoV and square sensor

[lofty jetty]

Tom appearance
I was actually doing lots of research on 585 vs 533 yesterday. Why is 585 better for those wavelengths?

[tidal tapir]

Higher QE. It's higher than the 533 across the board, but particularly so in the longer wavelengths.

UV is probably marginal actually, but NIR suffers massively if you were to use a 533. Even Ha is 60% compared to the 585's ~85%.

[cold moon]

It depends on the focal distance a lot imo, also what you want to do

For example I would have preferred the 585 for the better response but with the C8 the FOV was just too limiting

So I went for the 533

[undone sinew]

which brand has the best ir filters?

[tidal tapir]

There's no singular brand. There are quite a few that make unique filters that are good quality.

Baader, Player One, Astronomik, Sightron Japan to name a few.

[lofty jetty]

thank you!

My main reason for moving from a DSLR to a dedicated astro cam would be for Ha so I might just go with the Uranus-C pro (like I was planning to before)

The FOV is pretty bad compared to the 533 though

But at least I can do planetary as well

[tidal tapir]

Colour cameras are terrible for Ha.

I was assuming monochrome here.

Uranus-C you'll be limited to imaging in OSC and that's about it.

[lofty jetty]

Can't afford that unfortunately :/

[lofty jetty]

I know

[tidal tapir]

it's only $80 more no?

but I guess you'd have to get a filter wheel on top...

[lofty jetty]

Plus all the filters

Maybe, it'll still be a while before I get the Uranus-C anyway, maybe I'll be able to afford a Uranus-M by then

[fallen obsidian]

im not imaging at 2am

[ivory mural]

i dont think anyone who votes actively unfun should be in this server

this is kinda a place meant for people who dont think that

[mint talon]

im not saying that, im saying its less fun than when its 2am and your in bed

idk

treat it as "not doing anything specific just kinda chilling"

[fallen obsidian]

its fun, but when its 10 degrees outside its kinda bad

[zealous cloak]

On par with laying on bed is crazy

[mint talon]

im mostly here just to talk to you people and say hello now lol

[mint talon]

i have a good bed ok

[hybrid echo]

no im just a masochist yk

[tidal tapir]

Incredibly dependent on weather for me since planetary is much more involved. Winter imaging when seeing is worse than expected is really not fun at all.

Whereas if it’s warm/comfortable it’s much more enjoyable.

Luck of the draw.

[limpid geode]

This but fetus nebula

[fallen obsidian]

wut

[sharp berry]

ok

[summer turret]

Well.

[undone sinew]

oh shit my math homework

i forgomgm

[devout tinsel]

I plan to completely change my setup in the future, I'm already going to sell the current one and buy a new setup (Askar71f, Minicam8 and Juwei14)

[hybrid echo]

full well is also 173ke for the 330, and 2Me for the 331 (at lowest gain, which has a read noise of 586e)

[pallid pecan]

What’s the resolution on these though

[hybrid echo]

both 330 kilopixels

[pallid pecan]

Kilopixels 😭

Aren’t you using it on a rok135 or something

[hybrid echo]

lenses are literally opaque to swir lmao

[pallid pecan]

Well what ota

[hybrid echo]

8 inch newt

[pallid pecan]

15um is still quite big at 1000mm

You’d always be oversampled even in swir

[hybrid echo]

800mm its a f4

[hybrid echo]

undersampled i assume you mean? and yeah
quite badly so
but the extra area
its 9x bigger than the other one

[pallid pecan]

Even more reason for 5um

[pallid pecan]

My bad I just woke up

[hybrid echo]

but its so small, its a 1/4" sensor
thats the dilemma

[pallid pecan]

The 15um camera also has thermal noise an order of magnitude worse

[hybrid echo]

well
its equal per light gathering area, cause 15x15um is 9x bigger than 5x5um

this is why i cant decide
the swir330 is much better sampled, and cheaper, but the swir331 is so much bigger that it makes basically no sense to buy the 330, but its undersampled to hell

[cold moon]

Do you want to be poor? Also, that dark current for the 331 is so bad 😭

(not saying that the 330 is good, miles better tho)

[hybrid echo]

i do want to be poor
but i mean
these are less than half a college semester
and i have to do 4 more of those
so its not that much

[delicate lance]

dude with 15um pixels you cant do shit with consumer grade scopes

[summer turret]

alt az imaging?

[delicate lance]

im adjusted to that already lol

[swift heart]

how do you even image with those specs

[uneven shore]

Zwo120mm

[hybrid echo]

it would be undersampled to hell yeah but its not like i would just see a black screen lmao

[hybrid echo]

by trying my best 😭 if i want swir, it is one of these. There is nothing else.

[cold moon]

Imx990

[silver holly]

Minicam or Touptek bundle.

[delicate lance]

IMX992?

about 6MP with 3.45um pixels

[hybrid echo]

thats like 50k sir

[silver holly]

Looking at you DR350 and Mach 2.

[delicate lance]

then imx993

half the sensor size

well

res

[hybrid echo]

thats still at least 30k

[delicate lance]

anyway

[hybrid echo]

i dont think u understand how expensive swir cameras are

[delicate lance]

i mean

you are willing to buy one

[hybrid echo]

yes
but i have a budget
i cant just spend infinite money
hard limit of half a college semester

[pallid pecan]

You’re in America

This could be like 30k

[hybrid echo]

its alot but only those two swir cams are within it

[pallid pecan]

Isn’t the imx992 like a €16k

I found an imx993 for €13k ish

That should be within half a semester by us standards

[hybrid echo]

where blud

remember
needs to be a cooled camera

cause dark current goes insane on swir cams

[pallid pecan]

https://www.baslerweb.com/en/shop/a2a2048-35gmswir/

Idk how the cooling works here

It comes with a heat sink

[hybrid echo]

that is uncooled

[pallid pecan]

itll probably cost less to DIY a cooler on that camera than buying the same sensor with a cooler

[hybrid echo]

yeah
but thats also out of budget anyways

and i am much less fond of diying a 15k device than a 400 dollar device

[fallen obsidian]

your gonna need a reducer to image on a 16inch dob

[delicate lance]

likely yes

or

i will need very short exposures

[fallen obsidian]

you would probably be doing mostly lucky imaging

[fallen obsidian]

i meant for your fov

[delicate lance]

with a tracking dob? ehh possibly

[delicate lance]

ya i know

that too

my cam sensor will be small

[pallid pecan]

why would you ever give up a functional dso setup for a dysfynctional dso setup

[delicate lance]

where are you getting the dysfunctional dso setup from lol

[pallid pecan]

16” goto dob bruh

Field rotation who?

[delicate lance]

wait till this guy realises that Alt-Az AP isnt impossible 😭

[undone sinew]

hdjdndjk

[pallid pecan]

Bro

I did alt az ap for longer than you’ve done any ap 😭

[undone sinew]

polls 5.0 was forged on a glacier in valhalla

[delicate lance]

you just proved my point that alt az ap isnt impossible

[pallid pecan]

It is 😭😭😭

It’s a total waste of time

There is no benefit to 5 second exposures

[delicate lance]

all ive been doing so far because my shit never arrives is alt-az photography

[pallid pecan]

Yeah so maybe wait for it to arrive before deciding to sell it for another pos alt Az setup 😭

[delicate lance]

my cam will arrive soon if nothing fks up again

[undone sinew]

bdjwjsoajshd

[delicate lance]

w

[undone sinew]

Im getting the 585

mostly because its cheaper

[cerulean elm]

Bro, get atleast a first light with this rig😭

[delicate lance]

i already did

just not a good one

[cerulean elm]

Well. Upgrade when you reach the difraction limit of your telescope

[delicate lance]

(im getting the 16'' dob anyway, just not as fleshed out )

[somber belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-wizard-of-oz-gif-11908955

[marble hearth]

picking and buying astrogear is a hobby of itself

[somber belfry]

did u quit astro?

[somber belfry]

top 10 lies😭 everyone knows it exists at this point

[mint talon]

nah i still do it

a summer of clouds and unrelated depression just did a number on it

[cold moon]

Nah it's just not a thing you know

Like, idk why this rumour spread this much

[somber belfry]

bro... ive literrally seen it

[zealous cloak]

Nah there's no way

[somber belfry]

i dont get y people try to hide it

i dont get it

[zealous cloak]

There isn't such thing as a biscuit that broke

[delicate lance]

doesnt exist

its folklore

[lofty jetty]

No

I am forever indebted to Firehd because of his work on my m31, my processing sucked before then but he showed me how to do it better

[remote sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/67-gif-8575841764206736991

[undone sinew]

why do a lot of these ir cameras drop at the 500nm wavelength

[delicate lance]

i hate all of you

[brisk copper]

@mint talon vote yes

[swift heart]

Probably due to the band gap of the semiconductor substrate

or wait maybe not

[mint talon]

tf did i miss

[ivory mural]

i prefer them both equally

i like eq because you just track with ra ofc

but i also like altaz bc i dont have to rotate my scope to not break my neck

[delicate lance]

An equatorial mount often has so many position where its so awkward to look through

[swift heart]

Using a Newtonian?

[delicate lance]

Yes.

My knees and back are SCREAMING every time i observe with my 5 inch

[swift heart]

This question triggered a debate in an observing group I was in, but everyone there is a visual observer only

[delicate lance]

basically a QHY minicam with apo lens

[summer turret]

there was a scope called the Vaoinis Hyperia and thats a mono full frame scope with LRGBSHO filters

it cost ~$45k

theyve deleted the info from their website but there are some reviews on it aorund the internet

[swift heart]

...wat

Wait, 150 mm apo refractor

[obsidian plover]

anyone with that amount of money would never buy that

[swift heart]

I'm thinking of a Seestar but mono

[delicate lance]

fullframe + 6 inch apo? what did they smoke

[swift heart]

What didn't they smoke

[delicate lance]

fair point

da fuq

[devout tinsel]

Very big dob OTA, really big

[ivory mural]

are you allowed to do that tho

that's a mount too

[devout tinsel]

Idk, just big newt without mount

[ivory mural]

that would be terrible

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392348611651698810/1392348612507340880/20250126_212759.jpg?ex=68cb7e31&is=68ca2cb1&hm=da50f07c4c5b3bff47c324e493f5550371a787cc7f832daa8350758884c3b923& you gonna do it like hayden?

[devout tinsel]

Nope, I can make/buy mount for this, but not from this unlimited money

[rain void]

going mono for better results, but also choosing a smart telescope for the ease of use seems like very opposite decisions

[silver holly]

DR350 is more expensive than a Mach 2. Therefore I want the DR350.

[hybrid echo]

i need a swir camera

[undone sinew]

Im assuming there isnt a limit to how many filters i can get so i could buy every single telescope filter possible

[marble hearth]

Buy a space telescope - no mount needed

[delicate lance]

a space telescope needs computers, propellant, something to launch it into space and a camera attached

[marble hearth]

MeLe 4c, a tank of gasoline, and a dslr ez

[desert obsidian]

The people have spoken

[lofty jetty]

NOOOO I MISSED THIS POLL

Its my favorite album of all time too 😭

[swift heart]

I mean, if smart scopes can handle a lot of the complexity for the user, I'll take the increased SNR over OSC anytime

[hybrid echo]

someone should make a smartscope that uses a 3cmos setup which can switch between a rgb beam splitter and a HSO beam splitter

[rain void]

Ofc, I'd rather have a mono smart scope than an OSC smart scope, but I'd also rather not have my scope be smart

I feel like if you want your scope to be a smart scope, you probably also don't want mono

[desert obsidian]

[ivory mural]

if your rig functions it's easy

but if you dont have a good rig you will want to throw a brick at all your astro equipment

that was me before i got my eqm35

[delicate lance]

the hardest part of astrophotography is getting the equipment

[swift heart]

Once I figured out how to sequence things properly, data acquisition has been a breeze

[swift heart]

Completely agree on this one. I want every filter imaginable

[marble hearth]

usually does when its not dropped from a meter

[ivory mural]

im not giving you the 500 bucks

[marble hearth]

YOU PROMISED

[ivory mural]

i said would you do it for 500 bucks

not do it and I'll give you 500 bucks

[lofty jetty]

@ivory mural send the new “drop your rig from x height for 500 bucks” poll

I want to know what’s next

[ivory mural]

wrong channel also i dont know how to go lower than gently set down your rig 😭

actually

[lofty jetty]

[fossil temple]

[bronze minnow]

looks like a cannon

[ivory mural]

this poll is just die or change nothing

even if you don't die you're gonna be completely isolated from society

[restive fiber]

But you get to teraform it

[tidal tapir]

Earth, Mars & Jupiter's moons are the only acceptable ones.

Possibly some of Saturn's moons too.

[brisk copper]

venus :3

[delicate lance]

my personal issue with mars is the lack of a magnetic field

a solar storm would fry everything exposed

[tidal tapir]

Cave moment

[delicate lance]

id rather live on earth than hiding in a cave like a discord moderator everytime the sun gets a little angy

[tidal tapir]

But you could finally complete the planetary AP collection.

Earth from Mars

[delicate lance]

quite a compelling argument indeed

first i even need to image any planet properly

this saturn hardly counts

[tidal tapir]

strong

[ivory mural]

done

[delicate lance]

wasnt this your image of the lunar eclipse

[ivory mural]

yeah but its also earth

2 in 1

[delicate lance]

bro just filmed the earth occulting the moon during an eclipse i see

[brisk copper]

i honestly thought you only left your room for astro

[delicate lance]

for your information i do take walks and ride my bike during decent weather

[brisk copper]

in good weather

[delicate lance]

tired moment

anyway

[brisk copper]

walking weather

i had just a shirt on btw

[delicate lance]

in germany we say

[brisk copper]

i forgot my coat

[delicate lance]

"we arent out of sugar are we?"

[brisk copper]

yea you are

[delicate lance]

lies

[undone sinew]

in germany people do indeed say

[marble hearth]

Light buckets become water buckets pretty soon in that

[swift heart]

Literally my worst nightmare with my RC

[brisk copper]

:3

[limpid geode]

Me when I lose my eyesight

[delicate lance]

imagine toms fear with his 24 inch

[ivory mural]

i have tripped while carrying my rig🔥

[marble hearth]

do NOT give this man 500 bucks

[ivory mural]

my rig also started falling once

i caught it by the tripod leg when it was leaning like 45 degrees

[rustic oasis]

what do you actually have?

[delicate lance]

130PDS on an HEQ5 with a P1 cam (if the cam would arrive REHH)

[rustic oasis]

which cam?

from what i ve seen

[delicate lance]

Neptune-664C

[rustic oasis]

getting Pix was the best imrovement ever

[delicate lance]

yes but solar images 🤑

[rustic oasis]

i was not satisfied with results and pix plus RC astro plugins helped a lot

[rustic oasis]

depends by your goals

for me sun photo will come very later because i have a lot to do now

and sun is everytime the same

[delicate lance]

eehh

the main issue is that we are going out of solar maximum and this is rare used deal

but i see your point

[zealous cloak]

If you plan on getting a 100 dollar CC i would pass. Pix is $350

[ivory mural]

well that's an important detail

[rustic oasis]

no hate on sun photography but i like to cover more objects

[ivory mural]

if it's a used deal you gotta go for it first

[delicate lance]

I can squeeze out some extra so i can get a proper one

[zealous cloak]

Define proper

[rustic oasis]

coma is like 300 bucs

[zealous cloak]

At least

[delicate lance]

Functional with good optics.

[ivory mural]

no?

[rustic oasis]

which sensor does neptune have?

mine costed 300

its the least

[ivory mural]

sharpstar 1x 4 element is like 260

[delicate lance]

IMX664, literally a 585 but 50% smaller

[rustic oasis]

i dont think you need a coma corrector for now

[ivory mural]

and that's a great corrector

[delicate lance]

there is another option

[rustic oasis]

this snesor is very small

[delicate lance]

cancel the neptune-664C order and just go for toupteks mono set

but then id have no coma corrector

[rustic oasis]

the miniCAM?

[ivory mural]

i very much need a corrector and i have a 585

[delicate lance]

thats QHY

[rustic oasis]

AH SORRY

[delicate lance]

Though I think my parents would be willing to help out a bit

[rustic oasis]

i have F/4 without CC and with the APSC sensor i didnt have that mutch Coma

now i shoot in with IMX 585

[delicate lance]

so i could cancel the P1 cam order and then just go for the mono set with coma corrector

[rustic oasis]

obviously telescope came with CC so i use it

[ivory mural]

???

[delicate lance]

but uhhh there will be no autofocus or anything

[ivory mural]

literally impossible

[rustic oasis]

bro im tellling you

fire would you like to show some of your pictures?

[ivory mural]

show me this "not much coma" on your apsc f/4 setup

[rustic oasis]

@delicate lance my buying sequence was Mount --> Telescope--->Camera--->Filter drawer---->L-extreme---->L-PRO---->Autofocusser----->Pixinsight---->RC Astro plugins

[delicate lance]

see theres an issues with the monocam thing

ill be locked to mono planetary once i get my 16'' lightbucket

[delicate lance]

hm i see i see

[ivory mural]

this is no coma corrector?

also you gotta work on the processing there😭

[rustic oasis]

it was the first result as i ve started AP a year ago

xD

[delicate lance]

coma aint looking that bad

[rustic oasis]

now is better xD

[delicate lance]

can i process this data btw

[rustic oasis]

but you should get a coma corrector

[delicate lance]

yeah

[rustic oasis]

you have a 130 pds?

check on skywatcher site

i have their original because in my Quattro came with Coma corrector included

[delicate lance]

they dont make one just for the 130pds lol

the quattros do come with one included

[rustic oasis]

no?

[delicate lance]

no because why would they

[rustic oasis]

the sell it separately

[delicate lance]

ill just get a baader mpcc mk 3

[delicate lance]

there is no such thing as a coma corrector just for the DS series

[ivory mural]

Quattro one isn't great I've heard

[delicate lance]

and their official coma corrector isnt the best really

[rustic oasis]

i have a quattro and never had a complain about the coma thing

@delicate lance i dont have that mutch experience in this type of gear but in my way of thinking before getting softwares you should have excellent hardware, in my opinion even thought nowdays AI can fix a lot of issues

[ivory mural]

I'd do halpha scope just bc it's a used deal

but after that, coma corrector and pix

pix is so much better than siril

[delicate lance]

ill have to see if theres an after that

rn its just that i have 500 to spend

during christmas time ill get myself a sweet 16'' dob and mod it for goto

dunno whats next after that lol

[ivory mural]

i have the opposite issue

I have enough money to buy everything i want in astro but im stingy as hell

[delicate lance]

just buy me what i want in astro

[rustic oasis]

i have to save in order to go study so i cant spend that mutch

otherwise i would get a wave 150i or a AM5N

[ivory mural]

ive been procrastinating buying a coma corrector for like 2 months even tho it literally would not hurt me at all😭

[delicate lance]

nah

we dont like AM5Ns in these parts

[ivory mural]

proxisky on top

[delicate lance]

Ragdoll 20 pro on top

[ivory mural]

@ornate glen Can tell you why

[rustic oasis]

i love armonic drive mounts

[ivory mural]

proxisky sells them

[delicate lance]

yes so ragdoll 20 pro

not the

fiiiilthhhy

zwo harmonics

[rustic oasis]

bruh Wave 150i is good

[ivory mural]

wave is alright but just expensive

[rustic oasis]

1800 euros

[ivory mural]

check proxiskys site

[rustic oasis]

HEQ5 Pro is 1250 in italy i got it

so not mutch difference

[ivory mural]

see what's similar to the wave 150i

i think ragdoll 20 is like 1600

i haven't checked in a while i forgot

[delicate lance]

a ragdoll 20 is 1714 USD

[rustic oasis]

we have taxes here

[delicate lance]

which is just short of 1500 EUR

[rustic oasis]

22%

so its will be the same XD

it would be 1822 xD

[ivory mural]

what's their payload capacities

wave 150i and ragdoll20

[delicate lance]

mm yes but can your 150i hold 30kg

wave 150i can do 25

[rustic oasis]

25

[delicate lance]

thats with the skywatcher weight inflation

[ivory mural]

i should just get a ragdoll17 and end my eqm35's suffering

[rustic oasis]

bruh my scope weights 5 kilograms whats point xD

[ivory mural]

I'm pretty sure the eqm35 is meant for mid size fracs not 150mm newts lol

[vagrant basin]

I had decent tracking for just basic motors on eq3

But i can tell there was some strain

[ivory mural]

my eqm35 is definitely suffering

but it works

[vagrant basin]

I sold mine to end its suffering but upgraded to eq5goto

But then i heard the buyer is using a 150/1200 on it..

[delicate lance]

A 150PL? Rip

[vagrant basin]

Yeah i thought my f5 150 was enough

[mint talon]

(this is a dumb poll i think theres like 3 people that would say yes)

[ivory mural]

can i mug the bob

[marble hearth]

bob the mug

[ivory mural]

mog the bog

[mint talon]

no

[lofty jetty]

Now there's 4

Come to the UP

[tender hollow]

If you can afford a 16" scope, you can afford another camera to go with it

imo

I wouldn't use the same camera in two completely different rigs

[silver holly]

Gemini is a couple bucks

[delicate lance]

Issue is, it’s used and I need quite a few accessories which pumps up the price real fast

So that argument does really hold true, can’t justify dropping another 300 bucks on a camera when already cutting a lot of corners

[delicate lance]

Oh right will look into that

[low lance]

Too expensive imo for what it is its just a nema motor with a driver and a housing I don't think that deserves the 80 dollar price tag maybe 30 bucks at most even thats a bit too much

[silver holly]

They have to make a profit.

[low lance]

Yea but the motor and drivers costs like 10 bucks max

20 if you include the housing and other accessories

[tender hollow]

it's still a third of the cost of the zwo eaf

[tender hollow]

this

if you think you can get away with $30 to build an eaf then just do it yourself

[urban quiver]

You ain’t getting anything Astro related for $30

Hell that ain’t even covering the shipping cost from China

[low lance]

Ik im just saying anything astro related is overpriced by like 3x

[urban quiver]

Then make one

[low lance]

Thats the plan

[tender hollow]

plenty of people do diy, nothing wrong with it

but i also don't recommend against buying a fairly priced product

gemini is fair

zwo eaf is not

[low lance]

Amateur astrophotography started by diy

People grounded their own mirrors and made their own mounts

[tender hollow]

my gemini wasn't even $80, it was $50

[low lance]

Different currency

[tender hollow]

forgot about that

[urban quiver]

Mine was $50 but shipping made it $74

[silver holly]

Housing, manufacturing, advertising, employee wages, taxes, shipping and profit..