M16 - 3 hours - B9

[unborn turtle]

Hey I took my first image of M16 and i'm very proud of it, can someone get a better result from the data?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ds2b07lhx-IUAQC-XD7RL1SVrKacszFd?usp=sharing
1500mm
1.88um due to drizzle

[tough wren]

best i could do on this data

[unborn turtle]

i'm in love with you jjj can we marry?

lol

[unborn turtle]

M16 - 2 hour 30 mins B9

just updated to 2 and a half hours

this might be the final image

or i may take more data tonight

[unborn turtle]

@quaint furnace can you have a go on this plss?

[unborn turtle]

M16 - 3 hours B9

M16 - 3 hours - B9

now its 3 hours

[quaint furnace]

get some more hours an ill process it

[tough wren]

your data is getting better every time, if i was you i would aim for at least 12 hours total for a epic result.

[tough wren]

how are you stacking??

very quick process

[tough wren]

i would not use drizzle if your not dithering

i can stack for you if you want to send the data

[unborn turtle]

I'll probably do that but I'm afraid clouds are coming

[unborn turtle]

Dss

[unborn turtle]

Yeah I can't dither cuz I don't have a guide camera

I'll stop drizzling the image if so

[unborn turtle]

Oh well these are 1300 images 30mb each

But I can put then in a drive and send to you

[white venture]

hey, welcome to mininerd! great effort, I hope you stick with the hobby

[unborn turtle]

OMG i cant believe that! Thank you so much!!!

[unborn turtle]

i'll put the calibration frames and the lights in the drive

gimme some minutes

i have 46 gigabites of data so give a lot of time lol

[unborn turtle]

the problem is that i can only get 1 hour of imaging per night due to my small window vertical view

[unborn turtle]

half of the data is dowloaded

[unborn turtle]

how many?

12 as jjj said?

[unborn turtle]

22 more minutes to the data be uploaded

all done

[quaint furnace]

yeah, something like that

i dont like processing data thats only a couple hours, unless its like bortle 1-3 on a good rig. you've probably also noticed i dont process much on here anymore, its because i dont have as much time as i used to

each process i do can take anywhere from 40 minutes to 2 hours

[unborn turtle]

Yeah I see

[unborn turtle]

Fr

No problems I'll get more data when possible

[unborn turtle]

i'm uploading more 20 mins i think

now from b8-7 zone

[tough wren]

gonna take a bit to download, ill have it done as soon as i can

[unborn turtle]

fr 46 gigas is no joke lol7

thank you man! apreciate that!

[tough wren]

still downloading lol

[unborn turtle]

lol

[tough wren]

how many subs are there, and how long are the subs?

[unborn turtle]

1500 subs 8 secs each

[tough wren]

nice

[unborn turtle]

cant take longer than that my track is not good enough for it

[tough wren]

its gonna take a bout 12 hours to stack i think then

[unborn turtle]

oh my

i never had to let a thing running more than 1 hour

12 is crazy for me

[tough wren]

i will need to use a external hard drive witch slows thing down, 1500 subs will need over 2-300 gig space to process, i wont drizzle but ill use a program called "astro pixel processor" to stack (better than pixinsight in my opinion)

gimme 24 hours and ill have some results.

[unborn turtle]

ok for sure! here it is 5 am so i'll wait for you 5 am tomorow lol

[tough wren]

lol, 5:30 pm here

friday night

[unborn turtle]

here its friday morning

sun may rise 6am i think

i was imaging moon and neptune rn

[tough wren]

nice, i love that kinda stuff

[unborn turtle]

me too but its kinda hard for me yet

thats my first nep attempt so i'm not expecting much

[tough wren]

my best neptune pic

kinda crappy

[unborn turtle]

but from the moon i expect many things since its very sharp

[unborn turtle]

oh my

is that a star or a neptune moon?

[tough wren]

not sure

[unborn turtle]

mine is never gonna be like that, my magnification is the same as the moon and m16

[tough wren]

but its defiantly Neptune

[unborn turtle]

yeah, i think this can be neptunes moon

crazy

[tough wren]

your fl is 1500?

[unborn turtle]

yep

[tough wren]

you could get some good planetary data with that

[unborn turtle]

ik but i still dont have a good planetary camera

the best i have is a sv105

the literal worse

[tough wren]

how do you go about capturing planets?

do you take a video

[unborn turtle]

when i get to do that i usualy take my sl3 and put it with a barlow 2x

its better than the sv105

less zoom but more details

[unborn turtle]

yes normaly 10 mins long

[tough wren]

i use a 2x barlow on a 5 inch sct

[unborn turtle]

what telescope did you use for this nep image?

[tough wren]

that was on a 200p quattro

its a hard target to find so i used my deep sky setup

and used plate solving to find it

[unborn turtle]

yeah fr its literaly invisible to see in naked eye

[unborn turtle]

i just got some tracking models in the cpwi to make sure the track was right and then tracked neptune not quite hard i did it in less than 10 mins

also this one i didnt use the barlow cuz i could not aford to lose the focus i already had[

[tough wren]

i just put some data up you should have a look

[unborn turtle]

Rn I'm gonna go sleep yes I'm gonna sleep 6am lol

[tough wren]

lol understandable

[unborn turtle]

Maybe tomorrow since my dad is gonna take the notebook I use on a trip he's going, but he'll be back soon

[unborn turtle]

Lol

[honest creek]

Yoo congrats on mininerd!

https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1288186441138045068

U have earned a spot in this forum

[unborn turtle]

Thanks man!

[unborn turtle]

man i still dont know how your not mininerd or mega nerd

you should join the next masterprocessor competition

[unborn turtle]

yay!

[whole mica]

you definitely can dither without guiding. Just use direct guider in nina.

I've been doing it for years

[unborn turtle]

how can i do that? i have only discovered how to use my pc as a control for my mount in the last months so idk how to use nina

[whole mica]

just connect to "direct guider" in the guiding equipment tab

it's basically a dummy guider that doesn't actually guide but it lets you dither

you just need the dither after exposures trigger in your imaging sequence

want me to process this data btw?

[unborn turtle]

yes pls

[unborn turtle]

so nina would dither based on the exposures that i'm gonna integrate?

[whole mica]

no it basically just dithers "blindly"

all dithering needs is a very small slew signal sent to the mount

[unborn turtle]

the problem is that my 127slt mount is like if i click it to go upwards after i track it it goes up and the star starts to move around until it just stops again in a diferent position

its a kind of natural dither lol

[whole mica]

oh you're using an altaz mount?

[unborn turtle]

it also does it for it self like it just don like to be with the star stoped

[unborn turtle]

yep thats one of the problens

[whole mica]

well I'll see what I can do with the data

sheeesh this file is huge

[unborn turtle]

yeah lol

[whole mica]

like the other guy said, if you're not dithering then there's basically no sense in drizzling

[unborn turtle]

old dslr images on 8 secs are crazily heavy

30 mb's per sub

[unborn turtle]

why? i fr dont know

also are you or ?

[whole mica]

the way drizzling works is that it takes images that are in different places to sort of pull out more detail where they overlap. Idk it's hard to explain but basically if all the images are in exactly the same spot then no new detail can be pulled out by drizzling

[whole mica]

I do siril

[unborn turtle]

oh ok i think i got it

[unborn turtle]

do you have any paid softwere?

like noiseX or blurX?

cuz if not your gonna strugle a bit with noise i think

[whole mica]

nah I'd upgrade my gear before getting new software

[whole mica]

I use graXpert denoise and it does the job. Not as good as noiseX but still decent

[unborn turtle]

well here where i live getting a new softwere would be better cuz pix here is 500 reais and a better setup abour 20.000 reais

[whole mica]

Bold of you to assume I struggle with anything 😈

[unborn turtle]

graxpert strugled a bit with this much noise in my process as you can see in the first process

[whole mica]

you said the subs were 8s right?

[unborn turtle]

[unborn turtle]

yes

8 secs and 6400 iso

[whole mica]

yeah I'm not surprised at this SNR then

What scope and mount are you using?

[unborn turtle]

sl3 canon and a 127slt celestron

the mount, telescope and camera are stock

[whole mica]

yeah upgrading to an EQ mount would be a lot better

goodness starnet just butchered this data

[unborn turtle]

ik but well this mount here was 13k

a eq mount would cost me like 20 to 30k

and i dont have this money

[unborn turtle]

lol why?

[whole mica]

what currency?

[unborn turtle]

reais

its 5 times less priced than dollar

[whole mica]

dude that's like $5k USD what kind of mount would cost that much

[unborn turtle]

5k usd here is 25k reais

[whole mica]

what mount were you looking at

[unborn turtle]

well sorry i mean its 25k reais with the importation and taxes

if its only the price it self its 5k i think

but never less than that

[whole mica]

which mount

[unborn turtle]

https://fotonastro.com.br/produto/sky-watcher-eq-al55i-pro-synscan-wifi-montagem-equatorial-goto/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20733460070&gbraid=0AAAAApgXCucZhqfScx2qU7CEX7-lmusBu&gclid=Cj0KCQjwucDBBhDxARIsANqFdr3ujP_0N1MBj6kYcsSWn4KnPeCgpYwAT9z59bN5GRkJXOWpxhCs_H4aAnBYEALw_wcB

i think this is the less priced one

that is goto

[whole mica]

💀

[unborn turtle]

what?

[whole mica]

over $1k usd for a mount that's worse than a Skywatcher GTI

what a scam

[unborn turtle]

lol

thats not scam thats real

the money*

https://www.google.com/search?q=real+to+dollar&oq=real+to+dollar&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqEggAEAAYRhiDARiCAhixAxiABDISCAAQABhGGIMBGIICGLEDGIAEMgcIARAAGIAEMgcIAhAAGIAEMgcIAxAAGIAEMgcIBBAAGIAEMgkIBRAAGAoYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQgyODQwajFqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[whole mica]

and what scope are you planning on putting on that?

[unborn turtle]

brazilian money is worthy nothing around the world

[unborn turtle]

probably the same one i have today the 127slt

[whole mica]

I doubt that's gonna work

you probably need an EQ5 for a 5" scope

[unborn turtle]

too heavy?

[whole mica]

yeah

[unborn turtle]

well so i think eqs mounts are gonna be a thing for me from the future to work on

[whole mica]

a good rule of thumb is to use 50% of the advertised payload capacity for imaging to ensure good tracking

[unborn turtle]

since i'm also 14 i think 1k usd is def out of my budget

[whole mica]

because the advertised capacity usually isn't good for imaging

@unborn turtle lemme quick finish up this process

[unborn turtle]

ok!

[whole mica]

not great but it's the best I could do with this much data

[unborn turtle]

i said graxpert would not be able to denoise all of it lol]

[whole mica]

idk how the other JJJ guy got his so smooth. I'm guessing some sort of extreme AI denoising like topaz or something (not good)

[unborn turtle]

he used noiseX

its paid cuz its good i think

[whole mica]

well the SNR isn't good so I don't blame it lol

[unborn turtle]

lol

btw what is snr?

understood sir lol

[whole mica]

signal to noise ratio. Basically how much data there is vs how much noise there is in image

[unborn turtle]

30 hours already where is it?

lol

[tough wren]

lol it’s still going

[unborn turtle]

Lol

So 3 days more if considering this time?

[tough wren]

see the procssing space its needed?

1329.7 gig

[unborn turtle]

Where?

[unborn turtle]

💀

Do you have this much space?

[tough wren]

on my external hard drive yes

thats why its so slow

[unborn turtle]

Understood

[tough wren]

still stacking lol

but looks to only have a few hours left

[tough wren]

problem is there is some bad weather here and there is power outages all over the place, lets hope my power stays on until its done.

[tough wren]

its done

[tough wren]

did a quick process, not happy with it tho

[unborn turtle]

oh wow this stacking is just better!

[unborn turtle]

siriL wasnt working to do the rgb alinment so i did it my self lol

i think its great

if i was able to do that i think your stacking is defnetly 1000000000000000000x better

[unborn turtle]

finaly adding more 1.5 hours of data

adding it to the lights folder and then the stack

@tough wren my stack is kinda buggy so if your able to stack it i'd be gratefull, but if its gonna take some time to stack lets wait till i get to 10 hours of image or 12 it self

[unborn turtle]

All data is uploaded but the stack is not gonna be provided lol

i may take more calibration images since in my stack i'm getting a strange pattern of hot pixels i think