Ritchey–Chrétien enjoyers thread

[harsh matrix]

They dont like out of the box images like this

[high aspen]

just fry it then

easy fix

[chrome kite]

max bxt nxt and max topaz denoise

the instagram strat

i havent actually logged onto insta in a while

[undone sedge]

absolutely

[scenic mist]

yes what kind of palette is it

[harsh matrix]

ISH

[scenic mist]

would that be NIR, sulphur, hydrogen?

[harsh matrix]

Yes

[tight lodge]

If you like pain, shoot IR

[scenic mist]

wwhy pain

[tight lodge]

Low QE, increased diffraction limit

You need a ton of integration time

[high aspen]

ir isnt pain liar

[sinful sapphire]

we need to pull up to astroshop HQ

they call RCs catadioptric

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-mr-krabs-campfire-campfire-meme-mr-krabs-meme-campfire-gif-11784818026020390633

[scenic mist]

wjat if ur in b9

how does it compare

[tight lodge]

From what I heard, NIR is not as affected by LP as Broadband. NIR is outside of most street lamp spectrums

[scenic mist]

yeah

so on paper it seems to be beneficial for city users

considering you can capture the milky way in b9 utilizing it

(cuiv did it)

[tight lodge]

It's like a city dweller's option to Broadband 😂

[tight lodge]

Atleast they didn't call it an SCT

[crisp flower]

I May have done a Thing guys

[tall summit]

what thing?:)

[sinful sapphire]

They’re grouping it under the same category

[crisp flower]

@tall summit this thing

[tight lodge]

#1326833769495269376 message
This thing

[high aspen]

onions

[high aspen]

did you bxt it?

[crisp flower]

I did a light bx on the starless
Running it on the combined Image deleted some galaxies and binary stars

[high aspen]

i thought it was pure

[crisp flower]

I think i Ran it on Default settings at 0.2 intensity

Unfortunately it isnt

I was concidering to do both but then i got tired and forgot
Maybe i'll redo one tomorrow

Got this one comparing the bx and no bx Version tho @high aspen
Still fairly Sharp imo

[high aspen]

can i have the data to try with not bxt

[crisp flower]

Sure thing, give me a few minutes

[crisp flower]

https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1449191957212565625

[harsh matrix]

That is really quite good

[tall summit]

Got an EAF setup today

Getting average star size 2.3x", is it good, bad, normal?

2min sub

[harsh matrix]

Thats pretty average

Thats around what I get a lot of the time.

[tall summit]

Tnx. Are there any must do tweaks? Step, backlash etc?

In order to improve focus? Or dobt bother at this point?

[harsh matrix]

probably but i dont know what you are looking at as far as backlash so i couldnt say definitively

[harsh matrix]

@tight lodge i fixed the flaring you were so perturbed by

[tight lodge]

What did you do?

[high aspen]

vodka

[high aspen]

@frosty shard apparently the gso mirrors have (at least) a strehl value of 0.83 so diffraction limited

[tall summit]

Got backlash figured out and adjusted, hopefully that helps with a focusing routine

[harsh matrix]

I painted the secondary mirror shroud

[harsh matrix]

Supposedly theyre 0.9 strehl or better

[high aspen]

wia

[harsh matrix]

According to Agena Astro

[scenic mist]

why do people keep sending that whats up with that

[harsh matrix]

Do you see how close the filter wheel cable is to the power cable on the mount?

[scenic mist]

ohh

[harsh matrix]

Its Cuiv being Cuiv

[scenic mist]

yeah ive seen the video

[harsh matrix]

[scenic mist]

yup

I mean looks like theres enough clearance

[harsh matrix]

If that cable bends backwards even a little

[scenic mist]

the back of that 150 though

[harsh matrix]

Its game over

[scenic mist]

is that just tape

[harsh matrix]

Looks like a 3D printed plug with flocking material all over it.

[high aspen]

he called it a buttplug in one of his videos

[harsh matrix]

In all of them you mean

I couldn't get the server to let me send that

[high aspen]

[silver ibex]

Cuiv is built different

[tight lodge]

@harsh matrix Today I successfully deflocked the spider. Now I should get them fat diffraction spikes

[tight lodge]

[harsh matrix]

Hell yeah

[harsh matrix]

Wow somehow you're worse than Cuiv

You actually have a collision there.

[tight lodge]

Yeeep... almost an expensive oopsie.

[tight lodge]

If the telescope was 0.5cm lower, that cable would have had a baaad day

[harsh matrix]

Yup

[frosty shard]

Newt moment

Proof RCs are superior

[crisp flower]

@high aspen This one is as pure as it gets.. no ai tools, no sharpening, no denoise and no be

the ai version has been stretched better i think

[frosty shard]

I straight up don't think I'll be able to shoot until January

[high aspen]

chrimas lights?

[frosty shard]

It's –15 out in the daytime

And I don't think I can take my RC to Texas

[tall summit]

After adjusting backlash on EAF, i think its a best focus I had. 2min sub with so-so seeing/guiding

2.1"

[crisp flower]

My guiding Just isnt working anymore for some reason

[tall summit]

Like today or in general?

[crisp flower]

Today
It worked Last Time wout any issues
Now it find Stars but when it Starts to callibrate nothing happens

So im imaging unguided right now

[crisp flower]

Found the issue

[frosty shard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophotography#Methods

I'm doing what I can to turn my rig into a Wikipedia star

[high aspen]

heh

[tall summit]

what is this a part of?

[crisp flower]

The Motherboard of my eq 6

[tall summit]

Ugh..

[crisp flower]

Yea
Im Glad i did find that
Tho the RC is now Out of service until the new Motherboard arrives and i get it installed

[harsh matrix]

Oh, that's not supposed to have a hole in it.

😳

[crisp flower]

Jup
I thought the Motors we're having issues at First but then i decided to smell at the hole of the polar scope which then Led me to inspect the motherboard

No Idea how that happened

[harsh matrix]

"smell at the hole of the polar scope"

[crisp flower]

Looking Back at this Message i did Not notice how awful this sounded

[harsh matrix]

Teasing yall.

[tall summit]

what is this called?

[tall summit]

Carbonstar owners, how often or what temp delta do you use for EAF to trigger autofocus?

[frosty shard]

I don't have an EAF but I find I rarely have to refocus, period. But you were focusing manually before right

[tall summit]

I was, and generally carbonstar keeps focus pretty well, but last couple of sessions it was getting a waaay below freezing point at night, and focus started getting off ever so slightly

gotta love that quartz mirror

[tight lodge]

Borosilicate mirrors don't warp with temperature changes. Most likely is the focuser contracting.

[harsh matrix]

M78

[stiff mason]

Or the tube itself

[tall summit]

meant it in a good way, it took a pretty harsh temp drop to make stars go very slightly soft.

[stiff mason]

If the mirror was warping your stars would look curse

[high aspen]

herbig harrow reference?

[tall summit]

My setup has developed a misalignment between pre and post meridian flip::( How do I troubleshoot this?

[crisp flower]

Wish me luck guys

[tall summit]

Acgually I should probably give it another night to make sure its not a fluke

[tall summit]

Good luck!:)

[tight lodge]

Do you use an EFW?

[tall summit]

Nope

[tight lodge]

OAG?

[tight lodge]

Try this test. Install the camera as you do during the imaging session and then try to test if anything rotates in your optical train Basically you grab the camera gently and try to rotate ir left and right and feel if there's any play. Any offset weight (OAG,EFW) can rotate your camera slightly

[tall summit]

I discovered that one of the vixen saddle screws was not tight at all, I am hoping this was it

[crisp flower]

ITS DONE
Lets Hope that guiding works now and that i dont need to Switch Out the Motors as well

[tall summit]

Shouldn't be the case, it moves/slews in general, right

[crisp flower]

It does
The Problem only occured when i wanted to start guiding

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard the RC might be find

It just doesnt play nice with such a big sensor.

Im not seeing the same artifact severity with the 533 as with the 571.

I can probably use the reducer too.

[tall summit]

in my experience, reducer actually narrows down your usable image circle

[harsh matrix]

It does but it covers a 571

It will be more than adequate for a 533

[tall summit]

sorry, thought you meant with 571. that sensor size worked out great for me

[versed roost]

yeah thats how they r supposed to work, they concentrate the image circle to increase the intensity of light

[tall summit]

its a testament to RC design that it still works for aps-c

[versed roost]

whos RC design lol

[tall summit]

everyone's?): in general

[tight lodge]

Vel might have to say something about that

[frosty shard]

The RC's image circle is suitable for full frame as is (not saying the field quality is great at the edges, but it's going to have no trouble illuminating the sensor)

So an APS-C sensor should be fully illuminated with the reducer

[frosty shard]

Flat artifacts?

[harsh matrix]

Thats about all I can chalk it up to

Since the ring of illumination that was present in the 571 is not present in the 533

[frosty shard]

Ruled out the filter wheel?

[harsh matrix]

Not necessarily but I dont really have any way to do that

I could give it a shot in a moment however...

The problem in the 571 flats looks a suspicious amount like a baffle tube that is too short.

And I have no idea why that would manifest on a 571 sensor and not a 533

[harsh matrix]

Actually thats a lie

I got excellent flat calibration on my M78 and Boogeyman data from bortle 3

I used the 571, 7x2 filter wheel on my redcat 51

An issue I was observing with my 533 and filter wheel on the redcat was completely absent with the 571 and 7x2 afw.

Actually the 571 had an exceptionally flat field.

If there was some kind of problem with that filter wheel, I think it would carry over and manifest on other scopes and so far, the evidence does not support that as being the case.

[frosty shard]

You know, I have an idea about this

When I sent those photos showing the reflection from my bad adapter, I noticed the tip of the baffle tube seemed more reflective than the rest

See what I mean?

[harsh matrix]

Its because it is

[frosty shard]

Perhaps flocking that would help, though it is a tricky position

[harsh matrix]

Thats what made me flock it

I saw the same thing

[frosty shard]

Oh you already caught that nvm

[harsh matrix]

It helped but not enough to erase the problem

[frosty shard]

Anyway I'm flying to DFW so I will be disappearing

[harsh matrix]

Ayo

Welcome

Anyway, it looks more reflective because the baffle tube can catch stray light from around the secondary mirror no problem

It gets illuminated by light bypassing the secondary mirror and that's what I believe is creating my problem.

If the 533 can image within the perimeter of that illuminated ring, I think you can get around the problem.

The 571 simply cant be spared.

[tall summit]

Hang on, do you have a baffle extension?

There is a know issue with the primary mirror tube baffle, when its not extended enough

[harsh matrix]

Yes.

It came with one.

Before that was ever discovered.

The total length of the baffle tube is 200 mm.

That issue came about because the baffle tubes that were too short were 150 mm.

[tall summit]

I was getting a crazy cirle shaped gradient that coundt be dialed out with any flats

[harsh matrix]

Ive had it in multiple instances

All RC6's have a baffle tube that is too short

Even to this day

I didnt know it was too short on my carbonstar until I already had the 8

Thats when I measured both of them and found the 8's to be beyond what was recommended in that infamous video and found the RC6's to be only 150 mm.

It got even more exaggerated when using a 0.67x reducer on that scope but that specific reducer created an anomaly that never calibrated out at 55 mm of back focus.

Strangely enough if you extended the back focus by another 20 mm, the circle vanished and flats worked again.

But that i found all of that out with a 533

The 571 revealed way too many issues

[tall summit]

@harsh matrix I actually went through a lot of back and forth with HighpointScientific with samples and everything, first thinking that maybe my specimen was an old stock or something. They still didnt admit to it, but kinda went all out

check this email:

[harsh matrix]

Nah yeah they brushed what I told them off as well.

I told them the baffle tube was an inadequate length and they showed me a bunch of screenshots about how "it doesn't matter" but in all fairness, this was in response to the ring of illumination that reducer was producing.

[tall summit]

@harsh matrix

[harsh matrix]

Tbh this looks the exact same it always has. For the 533 that is.

Adding the filter wheel and OAG made no difference in the flats which tells me that the filter wheel and filters are not producing the artifact I see on the redcat, and that other issue woth the RC seems to be related to the larger sensor of the 571.

What a pain

[harsh matrix]

Oh this is like a copy and paste of the email they sent to me in response to my question.

Must be a blank slate copy and paste response they prepared because of the making of that video.

The last 3 paragraphs were directed at you only though

That stuff was not included in the one they sent me

Thats where it diverges

[tall summit]

looks like they did the work on that one

[harsh matrix]

Also same goes for when they said the length is adequate for the native focal length.

Well they did but I think they didn't at the same time.

I dont think they accounted for just how reflective the interior of the baffle tubes is.

This was just, ridiculous.

They look like theyre a part of the secondary mirror

Thats a good chunk of why flat panel flats dont work with this scope

[tall summit]

why did you decide flocking vs some super black matte paint?

[harsh matrix]

And another reason why ive done sky flats since I got the scope.

Only problem was, my sky flats started giving me worse results than the flat panel flats

I had no clue why that was and still dont really.

[harsh matrix]

Because the super matte dark paint that I have can still reflect more light than the flocking at that oblique of an angle

It would do a much better job up close near the camera but not that far from the camera.

It would definitely help but not to the same degree as flocking.

Also its a royal pain to stick a paint brush in the long tube

Getting an even coat of paint would have been a headache.

[tall summit]

thats true

@harsh matrix I get this flair on some stars, what does it look like to you?

[harsh matrix]

Sort of looks like a heat plume to me.

[tall summit]

how do you mean

[harsh matrix]

Like a bubble of hot air is trapped right in top of the primary mirror.

I see the same sort of thing sometimes.

Oh great the green filter still has a hotspot.

[stiff mason]

Okay seriously why do you have so many issues with flats

[harsh matrix]

because the hobby wants me to quit

this is an ongoing issue with just the red and green filter in my 1.25" EFW

I have antlia lrgb-v pro filters in both filter wheels, and only the red and green ones in the 1.25" filter wheel have any issues

I think they have a defect

[tall summit]

What if you rotate those a bit in their sockets

Does the issue follow?

[harsh matrix]

yes

it will remain roughly where it is

here, look at what i just sent Antlia, this is my control set of flats

taken with my redcat 51 and my 2" set of the filter series im having problems with

now, same scope, but with the 1.25" filters.

not there on the quattro (though the quattro has other issues)

There on the ritchey

[stiff mason]

I mean its not unheard of to have an edge defect on your filter and i think the edge just has ever so slightly worse optical transmission then the center

Thus the bright center and dim outer

[harsh matrix]

oh interesting

ive not really considered that

[stiff mason]

Maybe you could put your eye up to it and use a light too see if this is true compare the brightness of the light at the center vs the edge just to make sure its not internal reflections

[tight lodge]

You're a genius
That explains this then

[stiff mason]

Your ha looks very similar to my scopes light leak

[tight lodge]

I stuffed every single hole in that telescope. Ocal colimation is pure nightmare

It's simply pitch black inside the tube

[stiff mason]

Do both of you use one of those flat automatic flat panels

[harsh matrix]

no

not on the quattro no

or on the redcat

i just got one on my RC but the filter issue above predates me getting that

[harsh matrix]

im making a cloudy nights post about the strange double reflection my quattro never fails to acquire

ill link it to you if you want to keep an eye on it

i need to know if anyone else has experienced this and if they ever fixed it

[tight lodge]

I will try to remove one of the filters and take a filterless flat

[tight lodge]

Please do

[stiff mason]

Yes please

[tight lodge]

That bright center is why I avoid flats😭

[stiff mason]

You both should try a sky flat at some point

[harsh matrix]

didnt work

this was the result of sky flats

this was tracer panel flats

[tight lodge]

Uhhhhh... not great

[harsh matrix]

extremely bad tbh

[stiff mason]

Damn

[stiff mason]

What sensor size is this with

[tight lodge]

IMX585

1 1/2 format

[stiff mason]

Damn well i got nothing did you take the filterless flat yet

[harsh matrix]

https://www.cloudynights.com/forums/topic/987864-skywatcher-quattro-150p-double-reflection-problem/
@tight lodge @stiff mason

here it is

[tight lodge]

Cheers mate

[tight lodge]

That's why I said that I will try to take filterless. I haven't tried it yet 😂

[tight lodge]

You should also include some screenshot of the master flats

[harsh matrix]

i provided the master files

in the drive link

i can give it a shot

[harsh matrix]

screw it, done

[stiff mason]

Idk thaught maybe you have done it by now

[harsh matrix]

gonna get like 12 people saying, I dont have a problem with mine

because they will all have been imaging with a 585 in bortle 4

i genuinely have no fricking idea how cuiv got his to work in tokyo

no idea

im clueless

this problem reeks of coma corrector and yet that unhinged lazy mf managed to make it work

[tight lodge]

Or 12 different answers that are not helpful. It's CN in the end😂

[harsh matrix]

yeah

[tight lodge]

Maybe, he's like everyone in the #📡-radio-astronomy
Close enough is good enough

[harsh matrix]

it's not even just close enough though

he legit has perfectly flat frame calibration

i dont understand

alright well

ive got about 3 nights of quattro m42 data ive yet to look at

i want to stack it and process it out of depression

gonna cope with it

[harsh matrix]

@tight lodge one 30 second sub per channel of M42?

darn camera cooks too hard

even at 30 seconds

💀

[tight lodge]

Yes... it's very sensitive

[harsh matrix]

almost too much 💀

[tight lodge]

Still excited about a starvis 2 571?😂

[harsh matrix]

yes

shorter subs = less shot noise from light pollution, right?

[tight lodge]

Wait... you said you want to do lucky imaging on orion?

[tight lodge]

Sharper images as well

[harsh matrix]

yeah but thats not going to happen atp

[harsh matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1128673711042592829/1451132674608599133/M42_Quatt_12-18-2025.png?ex=6945101e&is=6943be9e&hm=af7c87181b083598180fce5e0bff954d3b980ed4967576af5556438f10edf61f&

the quattro is so lovely when it works

😭

[tight lodge]

What is happening when it doesn't?

[tight lodge]

How much integration?

[harsh matrix]

1 hour and 53 minutes

[tight lodge]

Heh... welcome to the world of short integration time

[high aspen]

explosion

[crisp flower]

Its working again

[stiff mason]

I don't even have problem with my quattro and i have bright ass light pointed straight at me

Well thats not true

I do have the problem but background extraction fixes it without any problems

[harsh matrix]

Again

Makes no sense to me

I dont get it

[stiff mason]

Have you tried a flat without a coma corrector or any filters at all

[harsh matrix]

Yes

Same with lights

The problem vanishes

Its the coma corrector picking up light from the sky

That's literally the entire issue.

[stiff mason]

How are you gonna fix it i saw people were talking about baffles on cloudy night

[harsh matrix]

Can try that

[tall summit]

Congrats!

[vapid patio]

What up guys

Is it rc season yet?

[crisp flower]

RC season never stopped

[scenic mist]

am I tripping or is the ring still there

[scenic mist]

about the signal of my 30 minutes at f3.9

[harsh matrix]

It is but its up further with the rest of the reflection.

And it isnt to do with the filter

Its a ring reflection ive had with this scope for quite a long time.

[frosty shard]

Every season is RC season (but we get to gloat in the spring when there's no Milky Way and all the galaxies are out)

[tight lodge]

@harsh matrix Did you shot the Cone nebula in SHO?

[harsh matrix]

Yes

Have not had an opportunity to check the full integration out.

[tight lodge]

Can I see?

[harsh matrix]

I had a much more important obligation to attend to.

[tight lodge]

I only need it as a reference. Idk if I should go for SHO or RGB

I searched on Google but all I can find is SCNR nuked garbage

[harsh matrix]

I did not have nearly enough Sii or Oiii

[tight lodge]

that's totally fine.

[tight lodge]

Someone very special to me wants to use my telescope to take an image, and she choose the cone nebula... kinda Xmas themed

[stiff mason]

I'm thinking of getting an RC telescope which one would you guys recommend

[harsh matrix]

alright i hadnt posted this version anywhere because I intended to save it until after I showed it to my family but i got more data so it can go out now

I reprocessed the data in affinity photo and pushed it super hard

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard I am feeling inspired, may return to university to finish off my bachelor's. My account with the university is still active and I may bring a scope with me and do outreach there.

[frosty shard]

I encourage this development

[frosty shard]

Any 8" RC is a good starting point for an all-purpose rig

[frosty shard]

Thinking that green is a crime on the Cone and Christmas Tree is a crime

[tight lodge]

Aren't you that leaves all his SHO images unbalanced?😂

[frosty shard]

They are perfectly spectrophotometrically calibrated, as all things should be

Until I individually stretch the channels.

[tight lodge]

[harsh matrix]

Aaaaand that option is no longer on the table

[frosty shard]

Oh no

Finances?

[harsh matrix]

The courses I failed there, then passed at community college, wont transfer.

I have to retake them at the university specifically if I want to move on.

With that taken into account, the problems are finances and time.

They have exclusivity with their courses and also this school is notoriously bad for math classes.

[frosty shard]

Oh yikes...sorry you gotta deal with that

[harsh matrix]

I'd have to retake calc 2 there which is a pretty much guaranteed F again with how awful the profs are.

[harsh matrix]

Or I dont

I just dont go back.

State law and school policy put me in this corner, not my own choices.

I failed because my allergies are god tier awful there, and my roommate left me severely sleep deprived.

I had the constant possibility of sleep paralysis looming over my head every day too.

Most of which was being driven by undiagnosed and untreated anxiety. But in general, the school forces you to live on campus for your first year so I did, and I got a very noisy roommate.

Quite literally the worst possible combination of things to have happen all at the same time.

I worked 10 to 12 hours a day on my school work and worked on it 7 days a week. I never took breaks, and I hard burned out by finals week.

Nothing I did worked, no amount of my studying yielded results, all because my brain was completely fried.

if it was truly as simple as I didn't feel like doing the work, I would have admitted that long ago, but I gave it my all and still came up short.

[harsh matrix]

holy

this was a pretty straighforward and lazy process

[sinful sapphire]

thats stupid

"this image is perfect because its perfectly accurate to the reallife view!!!"

obviously its better than any other process because its so realistic and accurate

[frosty shard]

read the message after

[sinful sapphire]

too lazy too i like starting conflicts for no reason

[sinful sapphire]

please post thhis in roast my image

[tight lodge]

Edgelord😂

[crisp flower]

revisited the no-ai edit

[high aspen]

still no ai edits?

i want an rct soooo badddd

[crisp flower]

jup, i got reccommmended to try and use a veralux stretch, so i did this one in siril

and then i thought no ai might be the goto here

tho i really should get some flats going soon.. dust spots on this one are luckily out of the way of the galaxy but still no fun to deal with

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix I am assembling my rc and for the love of god I can’t remember how I had my back focus set up

Do you at all remember?

Let alone where I had my mini pc

[harsh matrix]

I didnt use your gear

I couldn't tell you

[vapid patio]

Fair fair

Just if you remember talking about it

[vapid patio]

M81 when?

[high aspen]

was this image taken reduced?

[high aspen]

whats ur f ratio and appature?

[harsh matrix]

Lmao

the RC is not fine with the 533

ugh

sky flats are the only way to go from here i guess

so much for a flat panel

[digital nexus]

why is it not fine

[harsh matrix]

None of the dust motes calibrated out

[digital nexus]

how’s that the 533’s fault

[harsh matrix]

It's not

It's the scope

[tall summit]

@digital nexus how is yours going?

[digital nexus]

Il let you know once I use it

I’ve had 1 clear night since I got the thing, and I’m not willing to collimate this thing in 14F

[tall summit]

Yeah, weather has been abysmal lately

[digital nexus]

I’ve also not gotten guiding to be reliable yet

I had one night, and I got guiding low, but I got trails. I didn’t expect Flexure to be a problem with my 71f….

[stiff mason]

Your collimation is off

[harsh matrix]

No way

[high aspen]

is that sag?

each corner is going a different direction

[harsh matrix]

Its like that at park too

Probably not

Also the drawtube is almost all the way in, the likelihood of sag is pretty low.

[high aspen]

a oki

[harsh matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242703546387009580/1453406382479900682/Barnards_Loop_H-alpha.png?ex=694d55ac&is=694c042c&hm=4eda9e2021d4d8caa1c466271e0025b0632faf169d6816e68ee1fd87241cafb7&

[high aspen]

the loop is that bright???

[harsh matrix]

Yes

It's roughly magnitude 4

[high aspen]

would you like to be blessed by a perfect design

[high aspen]

geebus

on chrimas is clear

[crisp flower]

Clear but Windy enough to Render the rc unusable xd
Running the roki so far

[high aspen]

bwaa

[crisp flower]

🥲

I'll Just Go and reprocess m82 to forget about me wanting to use the rc

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard HVN?

collimation limited

it's only a little out at least

it would be quite a bit worse if it was more out

[frosty shard]

I forgot about that one

Have you seen it visually in any of your scopes?

[harsh matrix]

I havent tried

[digital nexus]

I want to use my rc6 guys…. 🙁

[tight lodge]

Shooting one as well

Or atleast I tried

@harsh matrix I got my diffraction spikes back

[harsh matrix]

gorgeous

[high aspen]

amma take them awa again :3

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard we are going to print various lengths of baffle tube extensions to eradicate any and all potential for stray light to get into the baffle tubes

i have no clue how catastrophic the damage is going to be to SNR or the image circle

[frosty shard]

You know, I was also thinking about whether there may be baffling issues on the secondary mirror holder

I don't have access to my RC now but I can try to get measurements and see if there's a discrepancy

Because my secondary mirror assembly does not look like yours

[harsh matrix]

i doubt it

[harsh matrix]

huh

wdym?

[frosty shard]

At the very least I noticed that the screws are different

Pardon my rust

(Also this is going off memory, maybe I'm wrong)

[harsh matrix]

wait youre totally right

the collimation screws are spaced much closer together and way closer to the center screw

that central mount is way smaller too

the way the spider vanes are secured to the holder is different too

[frosty shard]

Ever since I had the adapter issue fixed, I have not had any of the struggles with flat calibration you have

[harsh matrix]

the blocks slightly extend beyond the rear part of the secondary mount with inset screws

yours uses larger allen head screws

[frosty shard]

yeah that stood out to me when I saw a picture of your RC

[harsh matrix]

i never even realized.

[frosty shard]

It could just be the baffle extension that's giving you a hard time, but this is another variable to rule out

[harsh matrix]

i would need to know if the shroud itself differs at all

[frosty shard]

obviously someone else here with an 8" RC could chime in, but if nobody gets around to that I'll measure mine

(I go back home on the 6th)

[harsh matrix]

oh boy

[alpine flame]

WHAT is that target

OH my god i need this on my wall

Spill the tea man

Please

[harsh matrix]

LDN 1622, Barnard's Loop, and M78

it's honestly slept on

[frosty shard]

Thanks for quoting this so I could see the absolute banger

[harsh matrix]

this has turned out to be an incredible target

[alpine flame]

shit it absolutelz is

[frosty shard]

I want to try imaging some portion of Barnard's Loop with the RC...there's gotta be something that people are missing at very small image scales

[alpine flame]

im not sure what im doing in this channel ion even have a RC

BUT#

i want to share this with yall

[frosty shard]

Looks like a RedCat image

[harsh matrix]

it is

[alpine flame]

FIRST NIGHT WITH MONO

[harsh matrix]

my redcat is an absolutely bonkers scope

[alpine flame]

FINALLY

[harsh matrix]

you are gonna lose your mind over the difference

[frosty shard]

I will always remember being totally blown away by my first H-alpha sub of M16

[alpine flame]

chroma filters too

im broke now

[alpine flame]

oh i alredy did

how long exposures yall do on broadband? im bortle 4.5 reduced to f/3 currently

and im so confused

[frosty shard]

At this point I'm happy to recommend mono to beginners. it's not that hard to work with and you can shoot amazing narrowband images under awful conditions

[harsh matrix]

i do 3 minute broadband exposures but i was able to get away with 5 minute broadband subs in bortle 3

[alpine flame]

from my calculations about 60s exposures would be the sweetspot but that sounds bs to me

[harsh matrix]

somebody in this discord does 10 minute broadband subs

sometimes longer

from B6

[alpine flame]

im gonna have so many issues with the processing i alredy know

[harsh matrix]

i cant hardly do 3 minute lum subs at home in B8

[harsh matrix]

yup

[frosty shard]

I do 120-300 second narrowband exposures at f/8 with my RC and IMX533. I know you're supposed to drown out read noise or whatever, but I find that I get better rejection with more short subs

[harsh matrix]

so hold on to what data you do get and revisit it in 6 months as you learn how to process it better

[alpine flame]

the f/3 quattro is a efing light bucket tho

[frosty shard]

one exception: Orion Nebula at 60s narrowband in all channels

[alpine flame]

PERFECT

thats the target im doing

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard how long do you think i should make the first baffle extension i print?

i just made it 20 mm long

i think im going to cut off at 48 mm opening

reducing the baffle aperture from 60 mm to 48

[alpine flame]

what printer u got?

i have a tip in mind, from experiece

if u have a bambu printer use the textured PEI to the outer side of the baffle thats facing the sky, so its very rough

[harsh matrix]

we have an Anycubic something V3 and a Creality Ender V3 that doesnt really work atm

[alpine flame]

works like a charm for me

[alpine flame]

get some textured plate

if u can

[harsh matrix]

i got paint i can use if this works

i just need to test if this will work in the first place

[alpine flame]

only plate that makes actual dents and bumps, you cant replicvate that with sandpaper

[alpine flame]

not effectively

[frosty shard]

I think as long as it's wide as a full frame diagonal (43 mm) plus a bit more that should work, so 48 mm to start. But I have not ever attempted this before

[alpine flame]

you need a textured surface and paint on top of it

it has to scatter and absorb

not reflect and absorb

[harsh matrix]

interesting

[harsh matrix]

which i have

i have Musou and i apply it in a way which is not smooth

i can just flock it too tbh

i did that with the existing baffling and it reduced a lot of the stray light issues i had before

brought them down by like 95%

[alpine flame]

it wont be as good as the plate texturew tho

look

this is how the plate looks like

so thats how the print is gonna look

you cant replicate it

[harsh matrix]

i mean

cant really do that rn

in the future i can give it a shot but not rn

alright

[alpine flame]

😭 😂

very structurally complex

[harsh matrix]

it doesnt need to be crazy

i can add some internal baffling type stuff later once i determine this will be enough

i need to test by eye before i test by use

im trying to make it to where you cant see into the baffle tube at all

[high aspen]

light diffuser!!

[harsh matrix]

The weird thing is that the RC does have a choke point

Or mine does

I dunno if its the same for all but mine has a choke point that goes down to 48 mm at the primary mirror retaining ring.

Technically the baffle tube aperture does not need to be as large as it is which means it is realistic to cut it down further.

[tight lodge]

The deflocking was so worth it🤤

[harsh matrix]

PRETTY

[tight lodge]

Also, that's whatever the autostacking is spitting out. I'm quite excited to see how the data comes out in the end

[high aspen]

whut neb?

[harsh matrix]

Cone nebula

[high aspen]

cone

thats a silly nebula imo

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard do you think theres a limit to the length the baffle tube can be as long as I taper it?

40 mm doesnt seem to be long enough.

[frosty shard]

Honestly the answer to this is only something I'd be able to comprehend through ray tracing. But that's not out of the question since I am pretty sure the conic constants, curvature radii, and other parameters for the 8" RC have been determined on Cloudy Nights

[harsh matrix]

I sort of doubt it

I feel like a lot of that would be showing up in my searches and yet ive seen nothing.

😭

[frosty shard]

https://www.cloudynights.com/forums/topic/840516-gso-rc8-mirror-details/

[harsh matrix]

I could technically extend it another 100 mm lmao

I printed one that's 40 mm long but I may print one closer to 60 mm long and create a choke down to 43 mm of aperture to further stop stray light.

[tight lodge]

Yay?

[quartz meadow]

Oh they are back

[vapid patio]

You did this?

[frosty shard]

@high aspen since you have Zemax, can you try to model the GSO 8" RC for us?

[frosty shard]

the stars are sick

[harsh matrix]

yes

I made a 60 mm long extension, 3 tiered knife edge baffles

43 mm aperture

[tight lodge]

meeehhhh not bad for 2 sloppy hours

[high aspen]

is that a red star reflection neb????

[tight lodge]

Yes. Kinda... Well, it's a variable nebula

It is also a HH object

[high aspen]

hairy big hamburger???

dammm

[harsh matrix]

this might be super over engineered (which i hope it is)

i think i can print a cross between this and the prototype from last night and have a successful design

[crisp flower]

For 2 hours its really good

[tight lodge]

Thanks

[harsh matrix]

i could potentially retain APS-C use and get perfect calibration if my design works

in theory

@frosty shard you ever looked down the inside of your RC and been able to see directly around the secondary mirror shroud from the perspective of the camera?

I wonder if that's actually what the issue is

and not necessarily that light can bypass the secondary and become visible on the inside of the baffle tubes

[frosty shard]

Beyond the baffle at all? Nope

[harsh matrix]

Interesting...

[harsh matrix]

Because I can see right by mine.

With an extended and more constricted baffle, this problem vanishes

[tight lodge]

The mirrors might need a shower sometime in the future

@frosty shard aura

[harsh matrix]

Oh theyre so god darn filthy despite being cleaned in August

💀

[tight lodge]

Ooofff. Lots of polen there?

[harsh matrix]

Oml yeah

[frosty shard]

Texas is pollen hell

[harsh matrix]

The jetstream poops it all out on top of us

[frosty shard]

I have terrible allergies here that I do not have back home in Wisconsin

[harsh matrix]

Yup

Thats why I have a nasty sinus infection rn

Mine are manageable in the DFW metroplex but really really bad at or more south than Waco

[tight lodge]

Don't let that thing dry for too long. It's gonna be a nightmare to clean the mirrors😭

[stiff mason]

Noooo not a zwo you have fallen to the red side 😔

[stiff mason]

Did you get the fast filters or like 6nm filters because those two are the only ones that will work with f/3 otherwise you will have band pass shift

[harsh matrix]

I was able to print it with a super rough surface

[tight lodge]

What camera is that?

[harsh matrix]

Looks like a 2600MM Air

[tight lodge]

Damn, I remembered ZWO being a bit more slick

[alpine flame]

just LRGB yet

[alpine flame]

2600MM pro

the new version

clouds are absolutely ruining it

You can see it a lil bit

[harsh matrix]

Dude this print is visibly darker than the smooth one without any paint

With the paint it is practically pitch black

[alpine flame]

hell yeah

thats a really good sign, its absorbing and scattering all the light

holy shit

16 minutes

that is CRAZY

i love mono alredy

[quartz meadow]

ah hello IC 63

is that lum?

[harsh matrix]

I should have painted the whole thing but tbh I just need to see if i will have issues calibrating the dust motes out or not

I painted the essential areas and filled in some pinholes left in the thin areas.

[alpine flame]

It really shouldnt

[harsh matrix]

Of course but there was another component to my very specific issue which I overlooked/forgot about.

You can see right by the secondary mirror shroud with the factory baffling + extension.

My new extension makes this impossible.

[tight lodge]

Sooo... my back of the napkin theory was kinda correct

[harsh matrix]

Lol this thing ain't gonna work

Diffraction is really bad.

@frosty shard I guess there is an upper limit to how long and restrictive the baffle tube can be.

This is the laws of physics

These stars look like they have extreme spherical aberration and you cant focus them hardly at all.

It's actually pretty freaky

It looks like Hubble with its jacked up mirror

[harsh matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385199517917511743/1453914987817861130/discordAttachment-5048b7c0-a59f-4158-a1fd-a7a92c420d9c.png?ex=694f2f59&is=694dddd9&hm=df9d7492b341d0f5c47c61f5bbd67924aaa36f753f138cc27d6eb42fcaded40b&

[frosty shard]

How long is the exposure?

And what filter

[harsh matrix]

3 minutes

Luminance

[frosty shard]

Oof

[crisp flower]

channels are a bit misaligned as it seems BUT

[high aspen]

it red

[crisp flower]

Yesss
I have yet to add the nir as Well
Just wanted to See how it Looks so far

[high aspen]

nir is yummy

[tight lodge]

One sub is all you need

[high aspen]

it looks subtracted

[tight lodge]

it isnt. is a single 1400s exposure XD

[high aspen]

ik it isn

but it looks it

whats the bandpass of ur filter?

[tight lodge]

5nm

[high aspen]

geebers

[tight lodge]

I doubt that the redshift had any impact

[harsh matrix]

Nah it does not

[tight lodge]

i think 1400/1800s are my new standard for galaxy NB

[harsh matrix]

Good

[tight lodge]

I mean you see the SNR in that one single sub.

[high aspen]

it wont

[high aspen]

buh

[crisp flower]

I reaaaaally need to Take flats

[high aspen]

please do

[crisp flower]

Just need to find Out how to Go about doing it
Last Time i tried it didnt Work at all

[tight lodge]

@harsh matrix My flats worked properly, but i fount another issue

Let me know when you spot it

[harsh matrix]

why did the rotation slightly change?

[tight lodge]

IDK😭

I was wondering why i god double spikes

[quartz meadow]

was that your spider flexing maybe?

due to thermal conditions

[tight lodge]

I highly doubt that

The whole OTA rotated

I might have an idea to why it rotated. I think the tube rings don't have a wide enough base and the flex slightly on the dovetail

[vapid patio]

Good lord my rc setup gives me so much trouble

Might go back to redcat

Can’t guide for crap

@harsh matrix I still have trouble knowing how do I balance my setup with a harmonic? I find it genuinely hard

[harsh matrix]

you dont

[vapid patio]

Didn’t you say it shows as backlash if you are unbalanced and run the phd2 thing

[harsh matrix]

yes

or acts like it

but you arent going to get close to balanced

all you can really do is shove the RC as far up the saddle as it will go without being unsafe

[vapid patio]

Got you

And not gonna lie my focuser is on its last life

It’s not even ment to be a astrophotography focuser

What’s the one you bought a while back

I belive focus and just overall stability of my imaging train could be the cause for my bad guiding tbh

[harsh matrix]

https://www.highpointscientific.com/apertura-eaf-ready-rack-pinion-linear-rail-focuser-6-8in-rc-and-cassegrain-telescopes

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard remember the super scuffed light frame?

well the flats calibrated it perfectly

so the problem is the baffling

but how tf do i fix the baffling without effectively reducing the size of the primary mirror

cause that's what happened

the dark ring is way too thin

meaning that's just about how much of the primary was used

[vapid patio]

Is your stock baffle to short? Or is it clipping?

I’m curious

[harsh matrix]

stock is too wide

or short

or both

the custom one is clipping

[candid flame]

PA slightly off?

[tight lodge]

00°, 00', 05'' error😅

[candid flame]

According to?

[tight lodge]

4 iterations of TPPA

[candid flame]

hmm

Try analyzing your guide logs just to be sure

Because PA being off would explain it perfectly

https://openphdguiding.org/phd2-log-viewer/

(if you don't already have it)

[stiff mason]

Tune your mount

[vapid patio]

You mean phd2?

[stiff mason]

Wait a minute you have a harmonic nevrm

[vapid patio]

All good

[harsh matrix]

naaaaaah

did you see how sudden the rotation is

that's not field rotation

[crisp flower]

didnt expect this much of a difference due to flats damnit

[high aspen]

nebula

[crisp flower]

yessss, tho i am more impressed by the amount of bg-galaxies

[high aspen]

5

[crisp flower]

8 after starx deletes all the really small ones but ok

[high aspen]

bleh

[crisp flower]

D:

[high aspen]

y use starx?

[crisp flower]

i just wanted to check if there was ifn visable and if the flats corrected properly

only ai i used in this process was a light noisex on the ha

which will also be obsolete once i get more int

[high aspen]

gooooood

im probs gunna flock my spikes

im gonna flock everything

[crisp flower]

Why the spiders tho

[high aspen]

i dont want big spikes

im using a quick system so its not really wanted

im probably gunna make a mirror mask with cardboard and flocking

[quartz meadow]

I love the amount of BG galaxies

looks like 8" framing to me

[crisp flower]

Saame
Had to crop Out quite a few due to my fov drifting but there are still plenty

[crisp flower]

It is

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard HA

I CAUGHT IT

The problem IS because of that tiny sliver where light can slip straight past the baffling and to the camera

What im talking about btw is the Crescent shaped beam on the light stopper I have in there

I cant tell if its making it down to the camera

The unfortunate thing is that if I have to make the stopper any smaller, I will end up cutting out a part of the primary mirror again

If i make it wider, it gives this thing every chance to make it to the camera

I cant see it when I put my eye where the camera would be

I cant see around the secondary mirror at all with the camera where it should be.

[frosty shard]

@harsh matrix Texas Challenge: image this object

[stiff mason]

Maybe his scope did a meridian flip

[frosty shard]

wait I was thinking of NGC 1269. This is a boring elliptical

[high aspen]

not boring :(

[frosty shard]

So what you're saying is you're taking on this challenge

It's at declination –02° or so

[crisp flower]

i didnt want to say anything xddd

[quartz meadow]

It sits in Eridanus

[stiff mason]

Aw hell nah contrast will be diabolical and seeing will probably be 10 arcseconds

[frosty shard]

You can't even shoot the Orion Nebula where you are? Damn

[harsh matrix]

Ngl I didnt read the plate

[frosty shard]

I saw that and my first thought was "can I image that??"

The answer is yes

But it's not exactly rewarding

[stiff mason]

No i can but ngc 1269 is a lot lower than orion

[frosty shard]

Oh well the license plate challenge is NGC 1289

Farther north

[stiff mason]

Right yeah i can do that easy

[frosty shard]

Yo IC 10 is the hot new target guys

[digital nexus]

kinda ugly

[harsh matrix]

A subjective analysis is irrelevant to scientific purpose.

[alpine flame]

guys im sorry for using this channel even tho i dont have an RC

but i need help and ur all really skilled here

for some reason, pixinsight wont display the RGBK values

im in readout mode but it wont display anything

and i kinda need it for hdr

does anyone have any idea what could be happening??

[harsh matrix]

You need to use the process called ConvertToRGB

It's still in the gray readout.

[alpine flame]

alredy got past that and finished the image, anything i should fix or improve?

[high aspen]

ha v ir data

enjoy!

[tight lodge]

The core is weird

[alpine flame]

it is, and i dont know if i can get it back into its original state

[harsh matrix]

I think the whole thing is over blurx'd

or too much photoshop unsharp mask

[alpine flame]

im gonna mask the core

and hdr it

once again

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix Could I get a photo of your rig I wanna compare somthing

Please

[tall summit]

Took a second try at M1 recently

Do you think this is about what 6" can resolve, or should I be able to do better?

[tight lodge]

You can do a lot better

[tight lodge]

@harsh matrix I tracked down my flats issue

Now they corrected perfectly

I forgot to wrap the mirror heater💀

[harsh matrix]

bruh

i wish it was that simple in my case

[tight lodge]

I guess that's where newtonians shine. They are super simple

[tight lodge]

I guess that's where newtonians shine. They are super simple

[stiff mason]

copy cat thats what i was gonna do

Well does it work

[tight lodge]

It does.

No more dew for me

[stiff mason]

Perfect

[scenic mist]

a lot of ppl do that

[tight lodge]

[scenic mist]

thomas edison

[frosty shard]

I guess that's where newtonians shine. They are super simple

[tight lodge]

Secondary mirror... Optional 🤣

[frosty shard]

No coma or no chromatic aberration. Pick one you can't have two

[high aspen]

i wanna get an rc for that lack of ca

[harsh matrix]

Pick a frac and you will have the best of both worlds.

Coma and Chromatic Aberration!

[blissful marlin]

Love your stars but the dark nebula close to the trapezium looks a little weird

[alpine flame]

Sadly does, beyond fixable now though

I mean its my first mono proces, so i will certainly learn from that mistake

[blissful marlin]

Could you share the data?

[alpine flame]

i could if you want

and if you show me the final result

https://www.astrobin.com/upglqs/

this is my final btw

[blissful marlin]

Of course

[blissful marlin]

Zoom is disabled :{

[alpine flame]

give me like 10 mins, i will send you the google drive link

[alpine flame]

i had to lol

noone can see the trapezium

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix When you say slide it up as much as possible without being unsafe should it always touch both clamps? Can it do fine on one?

[harsh matrix]

i wouldnt chance just one personally

i like to keep at least half of the rear clamp on the dovetail

[vapid patio]

Got you

And as for my eaf and filter wheel it doesn’t matter what position it’s in?

[alpine flame]

@blissful marlin data in your dms

[harsh matrix]

not really

you can do whatever you want with them

[vapid patio]

Ok cool

[vapid patio]

And just wondering but how come when I calibrate at the Meridian and then go to my target it guides worse than just when I calibrate at my target

[harsh matrix]

technically calibrating at the meridian is supposed to divide your pulses into 2 separate movements because in any other point in the sky, the movement of one axis is somewhat bound to the other

the degree to which the movement of one axis affects the other depends on how close to the celestial pole you are

so calibrating at your target can help specifically at that declination but because of the degree to which that axial movement is bound to the other axis, you will be unable to accurately guide in any other point of the sky

calibrating at the meridian solves the axial movement issue at any other point in the sky, but can result in worse performance in cases where the scope is not well balanced if i had to guess

also it isnt necessarily guiding at the meridian

it's guiding at the celestial equator

that's where the movement of the RA and the dec are not bound to one another

[vapid patio]

Wow man thanks for the explanation

So it’s the equator that is best

Let’s say I’m going m51 and I move to guide at the celestial equator. Calibrate there then go back. I should get great results?

[harsh matrix]

yes

[vapid patio]

Because I had my telescope pull a 180 from m51 to stright behind and I thought that made no sense

[vapid patio]

Also as far as how much weight it needs, how can I tell if it needs to be slid down the counterweight shaft or up it pretty much acts the same either way

[harsh matrix]

I dunno

You can only know if you do some math

[vapid patio]

Ok easy

How

[harsh matrix]

I dont know

[vapid patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715790825417605151/1274541901395132456/buhflipexplode.gif

[alpine flame]

but that applies only if your guide camera sensor is perpendicular to your RA axis no?

[harsh matrix]

No

[vapid patio]

Focuser broken guys 💔

[desert locust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix hows the one you bought

I think im gonna buy it rn

as mine just broke

[harsh matrix]

It has been excellent

It could have some sag, dont really know right now.

The tests ive done suggest it doesnt have sag though.

[vapid patio]

good to hear

and has your imaging quality, tracking, auto focus results. has any of those improved?

[desert locust]

im considering buying an rc for pne and galaxies

[harsh matrix]

Yes

[vapid patio]

how so for guiding? because I think that the flex,wobble, and slowly unfocusing is a contributor to my meh guiding

[desert locust]

Do I need an accesories when I buy an rc, assuming its already flocked and I have an oag

[vapid patio]

well for me with a asi585mm pro i needed a reducer with my rc6

[desert locust]

so get that?

[vapid patio]

well whats your setup

[desert locust]

cause im gonna use a uranus-m pro with it, I have a ragdoll 17, and gonna get oag guiding

[desert locust]

.

[vapid patio]

or current plan

[harsh matrix]

I dunno

[vapid patio]

well I mean could it contribute?

[desert locust]

mine?

[vapid patio]

yeah

[desert locust]

what I said above

or if you mean what rc

I was thinking this onehttps://www.highpointscientific.com/ioptron-8-photron-rc-telescope-ota-6112

[vapid patio]

oh shoot im blind

i never saw that

[desert locust]

lol

[harsh matrix]

Not really, no

[vapid patio]

mono? or osc

[desert locust]

mono

rn im osc, but if when in get it ill be mono

[vapid patio]

With a rc8 and 585 i wouldn't recommend it, thats super zoomed in even with a reducer

[vapid patio]

oh ok

[desert locust]

the fl with the reducer was my fov untracked

bigger tbh

[vapid patio]

what reducer

i use a ccdt67

[desert locust]

oh with a .67 one then my fov untracked was way smaller

[vapid patio]

means it reduced by .33

[desert locust]

I was looking at the .75

atp I would get an f/5 newt

[vapid patio]

this would be your fov

yellow is .73

[vapid patio]

or why not a redcat

[desert locust]

if I do widefeild, Im gonna get a sharpstar 130

[vapid patio]

those are sick

heard they are a pain but great results

is f/2.8 so will most likely need recollimated often

and needs special filters due to bandshift

[desert locust]

yea, thats the only problem

[vapid patio]

but i mean if you go osc to start thats not a horrible idea

i love the sharpstars though

[harsh matrix]

@frosty shard I just went to a star, ready to collimate my RC, did repeated checks for both on axis and off axis astigmatism, and on axis coma, and nothing is weird.

It looks perfect.

It shouldn't be collimated anymore

Not even close.

Ive taken both mirror cells out repeatedly

The stars really dont look all that impressive but it's correct by all accounts.

I think the majority of what I see is tilt atp

I dont really care to take care of it atm since it looks incredibly minor