Ritchey–Chrétien enjoyers thread

[harsh matrix]

oh wait you werent supposed to know about those

[runic violet]

Mountainous areas are horrible for seeing unless you're on the highest peak

[harsh matrix]

[undone sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

[harsh matrix]

exactly

ill go to the highest peak there

[runic violet]

Good luck with that

[frosty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamflashback-gif-7780922

[runic violet]

If you want to cheat at planetary you should look towards Florida, Texas, Arizona, and socal

Also urban centers are great for planetary because the air can be quite still as a result of trapped heat

[frosty shard]

Look like the Canadian bacon industry's gonna keep running their smokers at full blast until Tuesday sadly

[harsh matrix]

Im already in Texas

[runic violet]

Wrong part of Texas then

[harsh matrix]

DFW metroplex

[runic violet]

Yeah

[harsh matrix]

Absolutely

[runic violet]

Need to go south

[harsh matrix]

Tornado alley part

[frosty shard]

Bortle 1 skies in southern Texas

[harsh matrix]

yes

[frosty shard]

Best skies I've ever been in

[harsh matrix]

[runic violet]

Low elevation though

You gotta have bortle 1 at 10k feet

That'll blow your mind

Only a few sites in the US like that

[harsh matrix]

TRUE

[frosty shard]

Unfortunately I've only been up to 10K feet in the daytime

[runic violet]

Sierra Nevadas, Mt. Graham in AZ, Mauna Kea

Appalachians are a bit too light polluted

[frosty shard]

Oh, but when I was a kid I did get to go to Palomar Mountain

There was a winter camp there

Unfortunately I never got to see the observatories

But it was the first time I'd ever seen snow

[runic violet]

My new observing site

[undone sedge]

can attest

[harsh matrix]

[undone sedge]

its also too humid over here...

[runic violet]

Humidity is very bad for transparency

Can be good for seeing though

[harsh matrix]

turned my bortle 3 site into a bortle 5 site roughly

[undone sedge]

yeah
i do notice whenever I get good seeing here i get worse transparency, and vice versa
its always humid

[harsh matrix]

that was super disappointing

[undone sedge]

spring, summer, fall, and winter

being close to the mountains doesn't help either

[runic violet]

Clearly your conditions are telling you to do only widefield DSO and planetary imaging

[undone sedge]

thank god i'm keeping my frac reduced nowadays

[frosty shard]

I'm giving my conditions the middle finger

[runic violet]

Aren't Madison summers supposed to be good

[harsh matrix]

you lucky you have an SVX and a second one otw at that 714 mm f/7 sweet spot

[undone sedge]

real

[harsh matrix]

that's a fun focal length to shoot at with an APS-C

[frosty shard]

They would be if it wasn't smoking like a joint outside

[harsh matrix]

i wish i had one of those but theyre so far out of my price range it's not even funny

[runic violet]

Canada moment

[undone sedge]

once i've got both i wont technically need to reduce, the speed will come with two scopes

however more speed is always appreciated, especially since i'll never see sampling down to 1"/px with my seeing and the rayleigh limit on them

[runic violet]

The used market is a pathway to many items some would consider unaffordable

Svx80t and sv70s are pretty cheap

Svx102 is not that far from your RC and is basically the same price as a 10" RC

[frosty shard]

The other issue is the very high nighttime humidity in general, so you absolutely need dew mitigation for any telescope with a forward lens. My RC hasn't dewed over internally but it's often ended up dripping wet, as has my tripod and my eyepieces

[undone sedge]

though tbh i think i get better stars with my native flattener so i might not even bother reducing when i have the second one online

[runic violet]

Haha imagine owning a SCT there

[harsh matrix]

😭

[undone sedge]

especially with easier mosaics from 2x scopes

[harsh matrix]

MINE DID

on my trip to the bortle 3 site with my RC8 it dewed over

but fortunately that was long after the night ended

i was honestly shocked

id never seen my RC's dew up before

[frosty shard]

My friend bought an 8" EdgeHD SCT and he's actually done fine with a simple dew heater strip

[runic violet]

No shield?

[frosty shard]

*Oops sorry

Shield, no strip

[runic violet]

Okay good

[frosty shard]

Got that mixed up

[runic violet]

The strips are kinda pointless imo

Unless you are a hyperstar user

You're intentionally putting heat in front of the light path...

[frosty shard]

We've been out several full late spring and summer nights and the corrector has been free of dew

[runic violet]

So it can't be that bad

There are dewy nights where the shield is not enough

But those are nights where SCTs should just pack up

[frosty shard]

I remember a night in Virginia Beach where my 3" f/8 spherical Newtonian on a dinky altaz mount totally fogged up, primary and secondary mirror

[runic violet]

Yeah real humidity is living near an ocean

Or large body of water

[frosty shard]

Or in my case, between a massive swamp and the ocean

We'd also get smoked out too due to swamp fires in the summer

And the mosquitoes were so bad that the city would have to pull out trucks to spray neighborhoods with insecticides and repellents

[runic violet]

Worst I've gotten is Newtonian secondaries dewing in socal from the marine layer

That's it

On a 12"

Everything is dripping wet but the primary is too large and too protected to dew

[frosty shard]

That scope might have had some opening near the primary cell but that was back in 2011 or so

I don't remember

It was the hobby killer scope I started with

[runic violet]

I'm now in Arizona so dew is a non-issue

[frosty shard]

Unfortunately my current issue is that dew may have damaged my tripod

[runic violet]

No marine layer, always dryer then bone

[runic violet]

Why was it a hobby killer, 76mm f/8 is pretty good optics wise

Was it a bird Jones or on a shitty mount

[frosty shard]

Spherical, highly pinched mirror on an awful mount with no collimation adjustment on the secondary

[runic violet]

Spherical at 76mm f/8 is actually really good

It's less than 1/6th wave rms

Probably 1/8th or so

Maybe poorly executed

[frosty shard]

Also 0.965" focuser and terrible Ramsden eyepieces with it

[runic violet]

That.. would do it

[frosty shard]

My next scope was a Celestar 8

Night and day difference

I still have and use the Baader Hyperions I got with it

[harsh matrix]

starting to look pretty crazy

just did an old fashioned HDR on the tips pillars

[runic violet]

achromats can only do narrowband at the wavelength they were nulled at without any SA

they can't do both Ha and OIII too well, only one or none of them

guidescopes are not made to be diffraction limited and usually have a crapton of SA to be unusable for imaging

a semi-apo doublet will do better with narrowband since the problem is minimized

but a triplet is more likely to have decent performance at all wavelengths

[frosty shard]

I'm curious about the one I got (the Askar 52 mm Super ED)

I actually got it as a super finder primarily

[runic violet]

that's an exception

its made to be used for imaging as well

its also more expensive

[harsh matrix]

much happier with this HDR though

it's subtle but it makes a difference

LOOK AT ALL THE LITTLE BOK GLOBULES

[harsh matrix]

the RGB stars i got are tiny

these are not blurx'd

after blurx with very small sharpening, the small ones become about a pixel in size

2.25" FWHM for the entire RGB image

the segment ill use is likely much smaller

yes the stars ill be using, aka the ones that are on axis, are 2.1" in size

some of the smallest stars ive ever had

[harsh matrix]

here it is guys

first real process of my SHO M16 data with those RGB stars

the first one im real happy with

ill sleep on it, see how i feel tomorrw, then i may post it

it takes a fat dump all over my attempt last year

[tight lodge]

Ahaaaaa! So you had a bad attempt last year.
Next time don't clown my m16
It was my first attempt

[harsh matrix]

i wouldnt even consider it bad

i was using a bad telescope with an OSC cam i wasnt totally happy with

that was ultimately the limiting factor at the time

it's that tasty resolution im talking about though

that's what is significantly better

i have twice aperture

now you can blink between this year's and last year's

my frac had some really weird optical defects too

so there is some amount of image shift and the stars arent in the right place... if that makes sense.

[tight lodge]

The colors in yours from last year are a bit more saturated than mine

[harsh matrix]

id say mine are both about equally saturated

it's more down to the color balance i opted for

also i simply just didnt have as much Sii last year

thanks to using an OSC cam with already bad Sii QE

and shooting at f/7 in the same skies

[proven coyote]

Osc ewwwwww

[tight lodge]

Also, why is your OIII more transparent than mine?

[harsh matrix]

it is probably down to how i processed it

i tend to process with an emphasis on depth and clarity so you will see my image appear to have more depth and transparency

that's something i tried really hard to do

it could simply be down to how saturated your image is tbh

wait @tight lodge does your image have Sii?

[tight lodge]

Yes

A bit

[harsh matrix]

oh right

you may either not have enough Sii or you saturated the image too much

[tight lodge]

First option

In fact, I has so little SII and OIII that I couldn't balance the channels properly. So the trick that I did was to have the outer region in Foraxx and the core in SHO

[harsh matrix]

okay yeah

you need Sii then

[tight lodge]

Next year

M16 is gone for me now🤣

Now I hope that next weekend is clear so I can get a glimpse at Helix nebula

[harsh matrix]

NOOOOOOOOO

[tight lodge]

Let me tell you why I'm just skimming over these targets. They are exotic targets for me.
Usually I have a window of 2 to 3 weeks to image it, and because if my job, I can only image in the weekends.
Mostly I want to image them just to add them to my catalogue. I'm well aware they are bad because I have yo shoot them very low in the horizon and only for couple of minutes.
Once I'm done with these (Helix is the last) I will lock on a project tho

First is the Cygnus wall in NIR HO or NIR SH. Not decided yet.

Because this, really boosted my moral when it comes to IR processing

[harsh matrix]

hell yeah

[harsh matrix]

@vapid patio this is why ill be sticking with the RC8 lol

these were the smallest stars ive gotten in memory

it's on the verge of refuting Whooptie's claims

technically it kind of already does

if i can grab a focuser that isnt balls, it can probably get sharper images more consistently

[harsh matrix]

i think i want to come back to M16 with my 533 to shoot a bit of NIR just to see what i get

I had really hoped to reveal a lot more structure on this thing, which i did

but JWST's data is a lot more tasty looking

i want to see if i can get those hidden stars to show themselves

[tight lodge]

Actually, the colors from JWST are wrong. They don't exist in space

Too bad I'm not verified. I have the perfect emoji for that statement

[harsh matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ora-gif-23466411

nice try but my nebula colors are not real either

[tight lodge]

Shhhhhh. It's our secret

[harsh matrix]

HUH

[tight lodge]

The "false color" is real. Because if it wasn't real, we wouldn't have detected it

[runic violet]

do real colors

[harsh matrix]

I want to give that a shot soon

i can do some really cool looking palettes with that data since it's clean

https://app.astrobin.com/i/

id really like to get an MSGR ref for this

i feel like i could get more out of the background

[runic violet]

hehe

[harsh matrix]

Oh you meant broadband

Maybe next year

Im getting fuqed by my weather again

[runic violet]

that is what real colors mean

[harsh matrix]

I ain't gonna bother doing that from home either

This place fughin sucks

[harsh matrix]

True

But

Are they only real because thats what our eyes are telling us?

[runic violet]

yes

also what surprised me is that there's reflection in the eagle

[harsh matrix]

Yuppers

Thats some tasty resolution

My broadband stars look blocky as hell and they arent even that small compared to yours

Wtf 😭

Sitting on a mountain looking ahhh

[tight lodge]

But how about this? Technically is narrowband, but all the channels are colorized to their real spectrum color
Tis real color?

[harsh matrix]

Thats what I want to do some time soon

[tight lodge]

I hate it when discord is duping my messages

[harsh matrix]

Its like diet broadband

[tight lodge]

Diet broadband but on steroids

[runic violet]

are they though

looks like a whole lot of Ha

[harsh matrix]

I saw that

[runic violet]

where H beta, OIII, H gamma, H delta

[tight lodge]

Well what color is SII?

[runic violet]

SII is deep red but also very low strength

[harsh matrix]

He doesnt have much Sii

[tight lodge]

[harsh matrix]

Thats it

Im getting an H-beta filter

I will have to destroy it because it will be useless

[runic violet]

no you can just copy your Ha channel and paste it at 486nm

[harsh matrix]

[runic violet]

i have a 2" 5.5nm one lol

for visual tho

[harsh matrix]

Or do some pixel math

[harsh matrix]

5.5nm

I have a 10 nm H-beta and Oiii for visual

[runic violet]

yeah i didn't bother with the 10nm h betas

[harsh matrix]

Its like cheating in bortle 3 but useless here at home

[runic violet]

do you not have a uhc

either way any of those three filters will be better than unfiltered in LP

[harsh matrix]

I have a UHC yes

Which if I ever bother doing visual here at home I will use

[runic violet]

uhc is quite effective in dark skies

[harsh matrix]

Is it?

[runic violet]

that's kinda the point of it

[harsh matrix]

[runic violet]

h beta + oiii

[harsh matrix]

Oopsies

[runic violet]

you have them separated

if you're solely concerned about object visibility and not about structure the order of importance is 1. uhc 2. oiii 3. h beta

[harsh matrix]

I dont recall trying the UHC out there.

Its a huge help here at home though

[runic violet]

but that leaves out a lot of details

[harsh matrix]

I could see the Veil nebula unfiltered there

[runic violet]

a lot of h beta objects are solely h beta objects

oiii/uhc objects usually have something to offer in all three filters

[harsh matrix]

Interesting

Well the H-beta oiii filter made Lagoon look like a live photograph in my dob

Blew my mind

Same thing with the east and west veil nebula there

[runic violet]

i.e. California nebula, Cocoon, Sadr region, any SH2 region

[harsh matrix]

I saw the crescent neb with it as well

It was really cool

[harsh matrix]

I didn't think about cocoon

Wtf

[runic violet]

examples not up rn would be the horsehead, seagull, and flaming star

[harsh matrix]

Oh yeah definitely

[runic violet]

you see the most on the Veil with a uhc because the hydrogen and oxygen are separate features

however the oiii filter gives you the most contrast so people say its the filter for the veil, although you are sacrificing the hydrogen component

Lagoon likewise is brighter and more extended with a uhc but you get more contrast with a oiii

Crescent is far more visible by uhc than oiii

though again in b3 the contrast with an oiii may help

[harsh matrix]

Fudge

I gotta give the UHC a go out there next new moon

[runic violet]

the darker the skies the less the contrast gain with oiii

[harsh matrix]

Assuming transparency isnt too bad again

[runic violet]

oh when i say uhc i mean like a 12nm bandpass that barely transmits both h beta and oiii

not the super broad filters

those have their own niche

lumicon/astronomik uhc being an example

[tight lodge]

Well, I can emulate them on my screen if that makes you happy

[harsh matrix]

Ah

Thats pretty much what I already have

[runic violet]

when you said 10nm h beta and oiii

that's one filter?

not two?

[harsh matrix]

[runic violet]

cause that wouldn't be 10nm

[harsh matrix]

Correct

I dont remember what band pass it is

[runic violet]

501-486 = 15nm at least lol

[harsh matrix]

I think its 20

[runic violet]

yes UHC in visual lingo means a filter that passes h beta and oiii and nothing else, with maybe the exception of Ha

passing Ha is irrelevant because we're insensitive to it

ok so you are already using a uhc

[harsh matrix]

24 nm oops

I couldn't remember off the top of my head

Its not actually explicitly specified either

[runic violet]

what is it

[harsh matrix]

Yeah like 10% QE to those photons with our puny eyes

[runic violet]

anyways this is not really a uhc, its a wideband or lp reduction filter

its too broad to be a uhc

[harsh matrix]

The antlia H-beta Oiii visual filter.

[tight lodge]

Yeah... the IMX585 can be a pain when it comes to long wavelengths IR

[harsh matrix]

That sucks lmfao

Get tricking into thinking you discovered a PN

Instead it was a quality issue with a filter

[runic violet]

but yeah people buy separate OIII only and H beta only filters

[harsh matrix]

I would have but I didnt really have the funds at the time and I just wanted something that I knew would do the job during my first trip out there.

It ended up paying off

M42 looked insane...

[tight lodge]

Well... idk if it's bad QC. Mist cameras don't have any response to anything above 850nm. That variable Mira has its second peak at around 1200nm💀 . The 585 picked it up

[harsh matrix]

Jesus

Alrighty then

Bruh I posted that Trifid on AB less than an hour ago and i already have like 5 likes on it

[runic violet]

like i said UHC is the most useful filter in dark skies so you don't really need to

there are probably other things worth investing in first

[tight lodge]

Try one of em cringe tiktok trends
I pointed my telescope at the sky, and this is what I got 😱 😱

Instantly thousands of views

[tight lodge]

I found something

[frosty shard]

I used an SV220 dual narrowband filter (7 nm O-III, yeah it cuts off the secondary line) in an 16" dob to see the Lagoon, Swan, Eagle, and Veil in low Bortle 4 skies, and that was probably the greatest observing experience I've had in a long time

(not counting the total eclipse of course, because literally nothing can compare to that)

[harsh matrix]

nooooo 😭

[harsh matrix]

i dont see the found

[tight lodge]

Why the center orange star has a black halo?

[harsh matrix]

i mean

it looks weird

but normally when that happens, it's because starxterminator pulled out the surrounding nebulosity with the star and the nebulosity is as bright as the star when they were readded

[harsh matrix]

UHHHHH

it has 19 likes already

posted 9 hours ago

I got 2 followers from posting it as well

MAN I wish i could have grabbed more data on this thing

it's so pretty

[harsh matrix]

YO @frosty shard @vapid patio HPS said they'll be getting more stock of those focusers some time this month!

[vapid patio]

Yippe

I will keep a look out

[harsh matrix]

They said if you order one now, it guarantees you get one once they arrive

If thats the case, I may put the RC8 down for the time being because the filter offset nonsense is driving me mad

Ill place an order soon myself

By soon, like, later today

[vapid patio]

Ok sick I might be saving up for a 571 as I relized I dug myself into a hole with getting such a small sensor

I cant go bigger scope without bigger sensor

[harsh matrix]

you certainly can but you will be living a life of pain and struggle by doing so

the 571 is a hell of a lot of fun

im going back to my ares for the time being though as i want to test all of my filters and the 8x1.25" EFW ive yet to use

got lots of fun gear to test in the coming weeks, and i think my quattro is near perfectly collimated rn

it wil be up to the challenge

okay order placed

i am going to eagerly and impatiently await the shipment of that hardware

i cant wait to see what this scope does with an even better focuser lmao

i will be unstoppable

[vapid patio]

i am intrested too let me know how it goes

as i wonder how much it will help fix tilt possibly your focusing curve and overalol image quality

[harsh matrix]

my focus curve was almost a perfect V

and i had no tilt

[vapid patio]

oh haha

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix any new projects

[harsh matrix]

I am highly considering doing some part of the Cygnus wall rn

I want to do WR134 too

Maybe even Tulip to frame Cygnus X-1

[frosty shard]

I have a really stupid idea for something to do tonight and/or tomorrow night

but I also need to figure out why I'm getting this consistent RA trailing

If it's just due to polar alignment I'll be really upset

[tight lodge]

Do the Tulip. WR134 needs a break

[tight lodge]

I told you that's mine!

[harsh matrix]

i decided to go for it anyway

[undone sedge]

yesss
cygnus x-1 needs some love

[tight lodge]

I totally agree

[frosty shard]

@harsh matrix were you aware of Touptek's imaging competition? https://www.touptek-astro.com/Astrophotography-Contest-2025/

[harsh matrix]

nope

[frosty shard]

You can submit up to 5 images per category

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix im tempted again for a 8" newt

could you help me figure out a brand?

im kinda leaning at ioptron

or skywatcher

[harsh matrix]

I would avoid all GSO rebranded newtonians

[vapid patio]

im going sky watcher

found a killer deal for 650

brand newish

[harsh matrix]

Thats the safest bet for mirror quality

[vapid patio]

for sure

[harsh matrix]

But they need to be modified a lot

[vapid patio]

how?

the focuser is good

i did some looking

[harsh matrix]

Is this a used or new one?

[vapid patio]

the gso ones are trash

[harsh matrix]

[vapid patio]

new i would say still in box

[harsh matrix]

Is it an open box product?

And is it from HPS?

[vapid patio]

yes cloudy nights

he bought it used it twice and sold his mount he cant even use it

[oblique sun]

why

[harsh matrix]

Their newtonian mirrors are proven to be worse than 1/4 wavelength with will be highly detrimental to the sharpness of your image.

[harsh matrix]

Oh okay

Did he swap out the focuser?

[vapid patio]

no

but the stock one seems fine ish compared to gso ones

its much stringer

stronger

[harsh matrix]

Its garbage

If that one doesnt have a linear rail on the bottom of the drawtube, its straight trash

Its so flimsy that the focuser gives you flexture

Not to a subtle degree either.

Literally different corners in your images depending on the side of the meridian your scope is on.

The version with a linear rail on the bottom of the drawtube is slightly better but still trash.

It wont handle a loaded mono set up

However, there is a saving grace to the quattro

The CYCK focuser is dirt cheap and built like an absolute tank

It is vastly superior to any other focuser you could even dream of buying for a similar price.

Im not speaking from what ive heard about the CYCK focuser either

Im using it right now

[vapid patio]

oh

ok well cool its like 160 bucks still ouch

[proven coyote]

This bad boy

[vapid patio]

sexy

oh wait i can get aliexpress stuff now i forgor

[harsh matrix]

Could knock somebody out with it.

[vapid patio]

is it only for 150?

or all

might be dumb

and vel you have a quattro?

[proven coyote]

I was honestly shocked by the weight of it at first till i unwrapped it, all metal nothing moves i cannot wait for a clear night with it

[harsh matrix]

Yes

You can use it on any size quattro afaik

Because they all use the same mounting plate style.

[vapid patio]

ah ok

and where did you order it

and what esle?

[harsh matrix]

Aliexpress

[harsh matrix]

You need something to put over the back of the telescope/cover the primary mirror

You could probably make that

[vapid patio]

yeah i knew that ez

[harsh matrix]

You may want to grab flocking material to flock the inside of the tube

[vapid patio]

flock?

[harsh matrix]

And the stock secondary spider is super flimsy

[harsh matrix]

Yes

Black out felt tape to dampen stray light

[vapid patio]

why is that a issue? i dont plan on putting a weight on it lol

[harsh matrix]

Subtle sky glow is enough to nuke your contrast

[vapid patio]

ah ok yeah yeah

just on like seems and all that?

[harsh matrix]

Because you can fold the spider veins with your fingers like origami paper

[vapid patio]

damn

[harsh matrix]

It is too thin and too brittle for the massive mirror hanging off of it.

[vapid patio]

what do you think is good?

and hes gone 🫡

[harsh matrix]

Backyard universe makes a solid spider upgrade

Takes it from thin aluminum struts to a solid construction

[vapid patio]

this your astro bin?

[harsh matrix]

If you want to know exactly what you need to get, go look at Cuiv's journey with his quattro

[harsh matrix]

No

[vapid patio]

oh ok

oh wait yeah your not jim haha

oh wait your guys pfp are a little dif

[vapid patio]

ok

[harsh matrix]

I was collimating the quattro

[vapid patio]

200 DOLLARS IS INSANE

[harsh matrix]

Im not huffing copium this time, it looks like collimation is perfect for the first time in the history of my ownership of this scope

[vapid patio]

maybe my rc6 is fine

what a pain these newts seems to bee

[harsh matrix]

That is the price of buying a sub $1000 imaging newtonian my dude

[vapid patio]

why did i type bee

[harsh matrix]

Or any of their larger counterparts

Because they're all built just as poorly as the smallest option.

[vapid patio]

i dont see a better one out there

[harsh matrix]

Because there isnt

[vapid patio]

bru

[harsh matrix]

That is the harsh reality of the f/4 newtonian market

Like i told you

[vapid patio]

they could mark it up 100 bucks more and fix all the stuff and still make money

[harsh matrix]

If you want better, use out of the box style construction, you have to get a custom made ONTC type imaging newtonian from Europe

[tall summit]

Apertura CarbonStar is much better

[harsh matrix]

Those cost 3 or more times as much

[vapid patio]

hell no

respectfully

[vapid patio]

haha nahhh

[tall summit]

Check out Ciuve's comparison of Quatro to CarbonStar

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix makes sense now my astro friend dropped his brand new 130pds and it broke all the spiders and it landed on grass

[harsh matrix]

These corners are as perfect as I can get on a Quattro 😩

[vapid patio]

what is your astrobin

[harsh matrix]

Shawn Thiessen/curiosityastro

[harsh matrix]

Duh

[vapid patio]

oh cool you have some top pick stuff there

[harsh matrix]

Octavio thinks one of his friends dropped or kicked his quattro

Its never been the same after that incident

He basically quit astro for the time being because of it

All because he has a bad focuser that makes using it nearly impossible.

[harsh matrix]

Yes

[vapid patio]

Oh, by the way, how much will what my telescope is seeing move when I move the secondary mirror when collimating my RC?

[vapid patio]

should have gotton a rc 😔

[harsh matrix]

Not very much assuming you dont somehow do 2 entire turns of a screw in under a second

And never touch the middle screw

Leave that one be

The secondary movements are fortunately very subtle and easy to control

[vapid patio]

so i heard

[harsh matrix]

Its really easy to command to where you want it to go.

[vapid patio]

my friend with the same rc as you cant collimate it to save his life. he says he barely moves it and the star disappears

[vapid patio]

perfect

maybe he is doing the middle one lol

[harsh matrix]

That sounds like the secondary is loose tbh

Thats really bad if thats the case

Moving a screw on the secondary of my RC8 barely even moves the field

I can do a quarter of a turn and not even move a star a quarter of the way across my screen

[vapid patio]

and is there a good way to collimate without having to get a new software? or you swear sharpcap is the way to go

[vapid patio]

hmm good to know

idk if you tried in nina and gave up

[harsh matrix]

Nina would drive me insane tbh

The reasons I use sharpcap are to get immediate feedback of my movements, I can regulate how much movement I make in real time, I can reverse a movement immediately if I think I went too far, and you have reticles to use in Sharpcap

[vapid patio]

[harsh matrix]

The thing about collimating the secondary is you need the star you want to collimate on to be perfectly in the middle of your screen with minimal deviation from the middle before you make adjustments

Your initial slew can probably get you close but if you use one of the X reticles, it will show you the exact center of your optical axis.

[vapid patio]

asiair had a nice reticle and a live mode smh smh

[harsh matrix]

Then you can make any small adjustments to center your star perfectly

[vapid patio]

does this look bad bad?

or super easy

[harsh matrix]

When it comes time to collimate the secondary, you need to return the star to the center of the image after every adjustment as secondary adjustments must be done on axis.

[harsh matrix]

Looks super easy to me tbh

[vapid patio]

so just hit recenter?

[vapid patio]

ok cool then it should be np

[harsh matrix]

No you will have to recenter manually

[vapid patio]

i finaa fly you out i am not looking forward to this 😭

oh well thanks for the info i will try whenever my weather lets me

@harsh matrix also are lasers bad?

i swear lasers had a z

[tall summit]

I didnt have luck using an inexpensive laser collimator, and I refused to drop another ~400$ out of principle for HG laser system

[tight lodge]

And then he had to send the Carbonstar back because of weird star flares

[tall summit]

Dunno, its on a whole bunch of his videos?

[tight lodge]

It's good to have a laser,l and a cheshire eyepiece

[tight lodge]

Yes. He has a video about it

Bruv, my 130PDS has better stars than the carbon star. And with all the mods, is still half the price

Which is the Carbonstar?

[tall summit]

Not to bash any gear

[tall summit]

I bought mine mint for 500 with the reducer

[tall summit]

Right?

[harsh matrix]

it's not that bad

[tight lodge]

The one on the right is the 130PDS 😅

[harsh matrix]

take it slow and methodically and remember what i told you about what adjustments to make

as well as how to identify what direction to adjust in

[harsh matrix]

they are not really useful for RC's

people swore by Howie Glatter lasers but the necessary accessory to use with them is not only discontinued but extremely difficult to get your hands on

[tight lodge]

I'd say, it is useful enough to get the mirrors roughly aligned so you can later use more precise tools

[tall summit]

Hey, noone said its not a capable scope)

[harsh matrix]

that's ignoring the $400 price tag

[tight lodge]

Bro... people hate on SW telescopes so much

[harsh matrix]

looking at his collimation right now, it will be extremely difficult to tell by using a laser

the error he is looking at is very, very small

i could be wrong though

[harsh matrix]

i do because i own one

and it fought me every single night i used it

[tight lodge]

Yeah, that's fair. But for example, you take the mirrors out to clean them and when you put them back in they are pointing to Narnia or something

[tight lodge]

You haven't modded enough then

[harsh matrix]

yes that is true

[harsh matrix]

brother

there aint a single mod left to do to this scope

😭

[tall summit]

I built a diy OCAL collimator, it gets me about 85% there, then its a one or two DSI method itterations

[harsh matrix]

the guy who modded it did everything to it

[tight lodge]

What is it doing?

[harsh matrix]

the problem is, he had no idea what he was doing so the secondary has been way out in another galaxy

since i didnt know what i was doing either, i couldnt figure that much out until a few weeks ago

[harsh matrix]

I WAS getting horrendous corners regardless of how much i fiddled with the secondary mirror

[harsh matrix]

the last time (a few weeks back now) I tinkered with bench collimation, i believe i had gotten it dialed in all the way

[tight lodge]

That's literally how a cheshire eyepiece works😅

[tall summit]

Yep

[harsh matrix]

while it wasnt dialed in all the way, it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY closer to being perfect this time, so two nights of very small adjustments and now my corners are perfect on my 533

oh i failed to mention i was getting horrendous corners with my 533

[tight lodge]

I'm surprised you had bad corners with a 533

[harsh matrix]

that should tell you something

[harsh matrix]

me too

they were not correctable to make things better!

[tall summit]

@tight lodge its just easier then peering into tiny hole while trying to adjust mirrors

[tight lodge]

It's cheaper

[harsh matrix]

it is but my eyes screw with me while i use one of those

bench collimation is much nicer for that reason

you have no silly focus shift in your EYES to fight with

first 10 minute sub about to roll in

[tight lodge]

I've seen a video with someone building an autocolimator

[tall summit]

This thing cost me like under 30$ in parts

[harsh matrix]

probably gonna look rough because of canada's wildfire smoke

but the stars will be perfect

i can promise you that much

[tight lodge]

I got my cheshire for 15$

[tight lodge]

What are you imaging?

[proven coyote]

Oh thats really cool, im going to search i need fo see this

[tall summit]

Dude, people are dropping 400$ for HG lasers)

[tight lodge]

The autocolimator is not autocolimating your telescope

[tight lodge]

Skill issue🤣

[tall summit]

Real OCAL is around 200$

30$ is not bad for that functionality, especially if you have RC

[harsh matrix]

WR134

[proven coyote]

Aww man i knew it sounded to good to be true, was thinking like what did they do for the secondary could auto colimate the primary but was confused 😅

[harsh matrix]

the sub looks as good as i was hoping (as far as stars)

the signal is honestly much better than i expected for a moon + wildfire smoke as well

[tight lodge]

It's similar to an interferometer. It's just a that it compares a perfect pattern to a pattern created by your telescope and you have to match them

[harsh matrix]

full frame

[tight lodge]

Little glimpse?

[harsh matrix]

aberration inspector

[tight lodge]

OIII?

[harsh matrix]

H-alpha

okay yeah this coma corrector is balls

LMFAO

[tight lodge]

The moon and smoke really make your life hard

[harsh matrix]

yes

[tight lodge]

Dorito stars spotted

[proven coyote]

Oh okay i got you makes sense

[tight lodge]

Also, I will never share my future projects with you.
You stole the cygnus wall from me

[harsh matrix]

i didnt even really do anything with that data

not yet anyway

i may toss it since i dont have trash collimation anymore

[harsh matrix]

yes that's what i mean by the CC is garbage

Ratbag asked FLO about what he can expect the stock Quattro CC to correct and he received a surprising reply

they told him that it cant correct a sensor larger than 1600MM or 294

and it doesnt even correct those perfectly

[tight lodge]

I'm glad that my Baader MPCC performs better than that

[harsh matrix]

that means i am SoL without an upgrade

lol, 10 minute Oiii sub on WR134 shows almost nothing

[harsh matrix]

it doesnt on an F/4 newt!

[tight lodge]

Who needs f4?

More pain than gain

[harsh matrix]

i do because of bortle 8/9 hotbox

i had bad spawn RNG i guess

[tight lodge]

Can't be worse than being spawned in an ex USSR sattelite country

[harsh matrix]

Yeah true

[frosty shard]

Where are you based in again?

[harsh matrix]

guys

we have achieved the pinnacle of f/4 newt collimation

it only took me 6 months!

[tight lodge]

Origin, or currently?

[tight lodge]

There was this dude, for 2 weeks straight he was like... your colimation is not good enough, do it again. So I spent 2 weeks colimating the telescope every day. Everytime I was saying... this is good enough, the guy responded with "Yeah, but not good enough. Do it again!"

[harsh matrix]

HUH

[frosty shard]

Both I guess

Had to give up on imaging tonight

[tight lodge]

Originally, I'm from Romania.
Currently, I'm in Germany

[tight lodge]

Why?

Maybe there's some hope for the next weekend

[frosty shard]

It's clear and calm. But there are too many random gusts that ruin everything

[frosty shard]

the two crumbs of data I acquired today
(120s R mapped to red, 180s H-alpha mapped to green/blue)

No RA trailing this time it seems

[harsh matrix]

oh this round of smoke isnt from canada

its from some part of california just north of santa barbara

it gets sucked eastward where it enters a loop and constantly recirculates right over my head

😭

[tight lodge]

And you were clowning my bad weather😂

[tall summit]

There will be no good weather anytime soon, I have bought a modded dlsr. Sorry people)

[tight lodge]

Did you just image an elliptical galaxy in Hα

[frosty shard]

Yeah we're all clear now here in Wisconsin

[frosty shard]

It's the core of the Andromeda Galaxy

[vapid patio]

@tight lodge did you need a coma corrector with your scope?

Just thinking like 585 sensor is so small I wonder if its a need

[vapid patio]

@frosty shard your a smart guy what do you think

[frosty shard]

I do not think, therefore I do not am

Are you asking about the coma corrector bit? I have no idea with Newtonians

But I think the 585 should be small enough that you can get away with not having one

[vapid patio]

That's what I was thinking

[harsh matrix]

it just hit me that my RC8 has a better and flatter field than my redcat

😭

[frosty shard]

This might even be true without a field flattener lmao

At least with my IMX533

[harsh matrix]

ik

i know a dude with the carbonstar rc8 running it with a 571, unreduced, and he gets a dang near flawless field

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/asa-telescope-12n-300-1140-astrograph-ota/p,46212

@vapid patio this is the kind of newt you can buy

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/artesky-telescope-alphastar-artec-200m-n-200-800-f-3-8-astrograph-ota/p,80971

here's a ready made, out of the box imaging newtonian astrograph!

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/ts-optics-telescope-n-250-1250-carbon-ota/p,85347

this one is affordable!

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/vixen-telescope-n-200-800-r200ss-ota/p,5729

you could buy this cheap Vixen 8" f/4 newt! crap focuser included!

https://www.teleskop-express.de/en/telescopes-4/newtonian-telescopes-315/newtonians-ts-unc-ontc-312/ts-optics-8-f-5-ontc-carbon-tube-newtonian-telescope-fully-customizable-5020

another affordable 8" f/5 newtonian! ONTC build

https://www.teleskop-express.de/en/ts-zubehoer-31/adapters-tilting-327/adapter-for-decoupling-the-focuser-from-the-primary-mirror-cell-with-tilt-flange-18761

yo they updated the marketing images for the RC8 decoupler

this thing actually looks like it decouples

[frosty shard]

on the TS Optics site?

[harsh matrix]

i might try to get my hands on one

[harsh matrix]

telescope express

well teleskop-express

the issue this may have with my equipment though, is that this eats up enough backfocus that directly threading my reducer to my focuser will cause my camera to not reach focus

i dont know how to work around that...

[frosty shard]

Also looks like it got pushed back to December for availability

[harsh matrix]

does it?

[frosty shard]

Says on the site yeah

[harsh matrix]

YAY

we can ship to the US

from these guys

[harsh matrix]

hmmm

it says expected to be available from january of this year

[frosty shard]

Date format is reversed

DD.MM.YYYY

[harsh matrix]

oh my god you are right

im dumb dumb

it's a relatively cheap solution to an annoying problem

costs half as much as Nate's custom made solution too

i like seeing this photo because it is a lot more reassuring

i was worried it would be like a copy/paste of the 10" with some not well though out choices made to retain access to the primary collimation screws

wait

they already made the instructions for installation available

okay yeah, going by the installation instructions, this is a bonified decoupler

it removes all stress placed into or on the collimation mechanism

ill definitely buy this and give it a try when it becomes available

i think any cost is worth killing this astigmatism for good

any cost that is below $500

[harsh matrix]

they included an internal baffle thing too to stop stray light

something the stupid "collimation ring" sold for these RC's for years now didnt include

BRUH

the connection is ACTUALLY direct

the focuser ACTUALLY transmits all of the weight into the primary

why did GSO think this was a good idea

actually looks premium

installation is pretty straight forward

now im excited to get my hands on one

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix OH HELL MAH THATS A WHOLE YEAR OF MONEY FOR ME

[harsh matrix]

same here tbh

if i saved every cent i got for a whole year i could buy one of those

but life doesnt work that way now does it?

[vapid patio]

Sadly doesn’t 😔

@harsh matrix I think I'm gonna hold off on my 650$ quattro I could pull the trigger on right now

Or should I?

[harsh matrix]

you should hold off imo

if you find a good deal on a used RC8

like 800 to 900, youre already spending on a scope that fixed about 90% of the problems that quattro will have

if you already buy a focuser upgrade for the RC6, then that will not be an issue either

all you have to worry about are the coupled mirrors once all is said and done

the quattro is actually a laundry list of problems

I got my RC8 for $750

and the dude paid the shipping which was 110 or something 😭

he was okay with it for some reason

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix you forgor camera

[harsh matrix]

if you reduce to 1000mm it wont be much of an issue

i know a dummy with a quattro 250p and a 585 and he gets good results when he actually tries

[vapid patio]

i mean maybe but can it even get to 1000mm

[harsh matrix]

ye

that's where im at rn

[vapid patio]

any less

[harsh matrix]

https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/416103-apertura-carbonstar-150-reduced/

or you could get this

[harsh matrix]

yes

it would probably be a nightmare though

[vapid patio]

mine is i would say 900

[harsh matrix]

https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/415774-gso-10-f4-newtonian-carbon-fiber-truss-ota/

why dont you get this?

[vapid patio]

twice what i can offord i have 600

[harsh matrix]

ez

just grow another 600 dollars on your money tree

i see the quattro you are looking at i believe

this one has the "better" of the two focusers that come on the quattros

another thing to look out for with this quattro is if he is including the coma corrector or not

if it even came with one

definitely dont buy the quattro @vapid patio

the 200P doesnt come with a coma corrector

so if that guy didnt buy one separately and isnt including it with the scope, you are fuqed

yes having a coma corrector is that important and the coma corrector is 400 dollars at a minimum

that's probably why it hasnt sold

not because of the price but because there is no mention of a coma corrector

the 6 inch quattro is the only one that comes with a coma corrector

the rest dont

jesus

this one sold but its proof you can knab one for cheap

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix OK I READ IT ALL

sorry for caps

ok i wont

@harsh matrix should i go carbon?

[harsh matrix]

honestly yeah

it's not nearly as annoying to move around as a steel tube scope

plus you have less weight concern for your mount

easier time guiding for that reason

[vapid patio]

is it much more money?

[harsh matrix]

on the used market, doesnt matter

most RC8's are carbon fiber afaik

there arent many out there that are not

new prices, doesnt seem to change much there either tbh

but i havent actually actively looked for steel tube RC8's

oof this is a more complicated question than i expected

there are a bunch of other things that can affect the new price than just the tube

generally these turn up much cheaper on the used market

[runic violet]

Generous dude

[harsh matrix]

Fr

[harsh matrix]

Turns out if you want to use an RC8 on an eqm35, you can

I have wondered this whole time

It balances well

[oblique sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009139318671015947/1043263378283581440/GIF-221116_170304.gif

dont give me ideas

[runic violet]

Does it guide even remotely well

[harsh matrix]

I dont need guiding for visual

I already know it can't handle an 8"

MY EQM35 does guide extremely well

But it has high frequency oscillations that make it unsuitable for imaging with long focal length scopes.

In RA specifically

The dec rarely ever needs to move

[runic violet]

Oh visual

[harsh matrix]

Yeah

The reason I didnt buy an 8 when I first got an RC is the same reason I didnt go straight for a 10 when I bought the 8

I didnt/dont have an adequate mount.

[harsh matrix]

I mean @frosty shard is about to start recommending certain subsets of people to get an RC8 for visual

If you want an 8 to use for visual on occasion until you can get a better mount, I think its worth it

Especially if you have dark skies

Aka anything not bortle 7 and higher since below bortle 7, its not as bad imo, a CLS filter helps a ton.

[oblique sun]

well that does not apply to me

im b7 and higher and i dont really plan on getting a better mount anytime soon

[harsh matrix]

Rip

Nvm then

Im going to stare at the moon closely tonight

[oblique sun]

im still probably gonna do a 6" f/4

[harsh matrix]

I want to see the cracks in the lunar surface again

Maybe even see Ina crater

[oblique sun]

im just not sure if i test my luck with buying the returned gso scope

already tested it with highpoint and yk what happened

[harsh matrix]

I wouldn't buy a returned one no

Those are normally returned for a reason and 9/10 times they are going to arrive at your door step completely fuqed

[oblique sun]

yea thats what i was thinking

sometimes there is a bit of luck, like i returned my tube rings cause i just didnt need them but i doubt thats very common

especially with a full scope

i just dont know what to buy tho

it doesnt look like agena is restocking gso anytime soon, i emailed them and they basically just said "idk man"

[harsh matrix]

Wtf

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix So we going rc8?

And let me see what 100mm is

And wait isn’t yours 0.65 reduction?

[tight lodge]

Yes. Don't run it without a CC

[vapid patio]

@harsh matrix Holy ouch

[harsh matrix]

Eventually you should

I find it much less annoying to handle across the board

To the point that I actually enjoy using it

The moon in an RC8 is tack sharp holy

The thing is sharp across the whole eyepiece

This is wild

[ripe crystal]

Give more ideas

I approve of these ideas

[harsh matrix]

We're fuqed

The am5n is doing it again

The design of the main board is garbage

They need to redesign it and send out better versions

[oblique sun]

[harsh matrix]

If everything i just tried doesnt work, im going to try to get a full refund from HPS and return it to them

I dont gaf

Not anymore

[oblique sun]

time to show the eqm35 some love

[harsh matrix]

I can't get it to trigger though

Its not doing that now

[harsh matrix]

I changed 4 variables and it seems to have fixed it

I don't know which of those changes would have fixed it.

But this is looking at one 10 minute sub that looks decent and an acceptable RMS

[frosty shard]

@harsh matrix you have a Touptek AFW right? And 1.25" filters?

[harsh matrix]

My Touptek AFW is a 7x2"

[frosty shard]

Well do you have screw holes for unmounted filters?

I'm trying to figure out if there's a better way to solve the screw hole leaks than electrical tape

[harsh matrix]

Yes

But my filters are mounted and the mounts are thick enough that they block off the holes

I actually didnt tape up the holes for unmounted filters on my ZWO EFW 1.25" and its fine

[frosty shard]

Yeah I was wondering how much those holes would actually matter in practice

[harsh matrix]

i say that but i dont have broadband filters to use that would most likely show any effect they have on my images

[frosty shard]

My raw narrowband data at dark sites has a really dark background, especially in S-II, which is what I was more concerned about

[harsh matrix]

that's normal

and while it doesnt seem like there would be light pollution from "home", it's still going to have a wild effect on your narrowband images

I dont know of a better way to cover those holes other than electrical tape, so if you want to put this to the test, you will have to think outside the box

[frosty shard]

Oh yeah the effect is definitely visible

And yeah I just find it frustrating that there isn't enough clearance on the opposite side of the filter wheel for me to just put the mounting screws in reverse

If there was enough clearance then solving that issue would be trivial

[harsh matrix]

ik

i thought about trying that too but i dont see a way that it would work

[crisp flower]

@frosty shard Ive never heard of nodal astigmatism

[vapid patio]

@frosty shard whats up dan 😉

[frosty shard]

Okay, so here's an important property of RC collimation: when you null out coma you also null out astigmatism on-axis

So you have to check off-axis stars for astigmatism no matter what

[frosty shard]

thanks for the reminder I forgot to respond

[vapid patio]

oh i didnt mean to i just found your account on a rc group on facebook 😭

[frosty shard]

Yeah but I don't use my real name on Facebook

[vapid patio]

oh haha

[crisp flower]

Interesting
Thank u for this information

[harsh matrix]

Nah boys its chalked

Ive done everything in my power and it is still happening.

[tight lodge]

Did you contact ZWO?

[vapid patio]

And you swear on everything it couldn’t be a bad power supply?

I had a bad one on my gti and it screwed with my guiding

So I spent a crap ton and got amazing ones

[tight lodge]

Good point

@harsh matrix How many Volts your mount PSU outputs?

[vapid patio]

I had bought one without a ground “idk if related” so it was just 2 plug and it gave me spikes in current and dips

But it was also like 20 degrees outside so idk how it would do in heat I shipped them back fast

[tight lodge]

Should I risk it tonight? Or go out tomorrow

[tight lodge]

I use a 13.5V 5A PSU for the mount

[harsh matrix]

12.5

The PSU is good

[crisp flower]

From a purely optical perspective i think this turned out quite beautiful

[oblique sun]

brown cam?

what company is that

[tight lodge]

Omegon

[tight lodge]

Master @harsh matrix Do you approve?

[harsh matrix]

Almost?

There's a lot of color splotches that are coming from a lack of integration, so saturating that much makes those splotches pop out.

[tight lodge]

The SII and OIII is really dragging it down. 90min was all i could get on it

[harsh matrix]

Yeah I wouldn't saturate it so much

The data can't support it.

[tight lodge]

i didn't touch the saturation😭

i saw that if i even nudgee the saturation curve even a bit, the data gets nuked

[harsh matrix]

The hell

[runic violet]

denoise 100

[harsh matrix]

@tight lodge did you do this?

[runic violet]

Look at the bottom right

I mean it's evident in the whole pic but it's smooth as plastic

[harsh matrix]

Ik yeah

[tight lodge]

Denise 0.65

[tight lodge]

You know that the only thing I cared about was to get the colors right and not bother with having realistic noise levels and all that stuff. So yeah, the SII and OIII had to be pushed really hard to get something that I can work with, but that's because I can't put dozens of hours in this project😂

Plus when I shot it I did it in an environment that most of you don't even bother seting up. 14° elevation and in astro twilight. So please... cut me some slack

[frosty shard]

I feel that. I mean I'm not trapped as far north as you, but I'm a rush to get good data on the Lagoon before it's gone

[tight lodge]

You do get astro dark right?

[frosty shard]

Yeah I still have a minimum of 4 hours during the solstice

But the Lagoon and other southern gems don't get very high

23 degrees for the Lagoon IIRC

I've lived a lot of my life in San Diego and Central Texas and the difference 15 degrees makes is dramatic

[tight lodge]

When I shot M16 I had 1h and 40 min of Astro twilight. Guess how much integration that photo has? 1h 30min. I squeezed everything I could out of it😂

[frosty shard]

Are there any calculators that are able to take into account the onset of astronomical dark for different bands

It's gotta come later for IR and red than bluer wavelengths

[tight lodge]

The lowest I can get here is 46° N. And in the summer, the night feels eternal compared to North Germany

[frosty shard]

You owe it to yourself to get to like 30 degrees north at some point

(or of course see the southern skies, but I haven't done that)

Hopefully next year though after I get my PhD

[tight lodge]

Yeah... I don't have to money to move somewhere better

[tight lodge]

Southern skies are beautiful tho

[frosty shard]

Have you seen southern skies?

[tight lodge]

Only in pictures

[frosty shard]

I have to remind myself for when I visit Australia not to try to do a 576 panel mosaic of the LMC with my RC

On the other hand, if I move to Australia...

[harsh matrix]

lol

relatable

[runic violet]

i mean sure but you can pull back on the denoise

its not artifacting here, its just too much of it

even a 50 hour integration with pristine data would have some fine grain noise

if you're concerned about chrominance noise you can go full ham denoise on the RGB and use a luminance consisting of mostly Ha

[tight lodge]

Is this better?

[runic violet]

Quite a bit

[harsh matrix]

Yes

[vapid patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133160663271866409/1375929964536397887/togif-1.gif

@harsh matrix i wanna waste money what do i buy

[harsh matrix]

Save for a 571 you bone head

Thats what you wanted to do, so do it.

[vapid patio]

i mean yeahhhhhhhh but should i keep my 585? i feel bad selling it already

[harsh matrix]

Id only sell it to close the gap for the 571 if you feel your income has slowed too much.

[vapid patio]

i feel i am just gonna lose so much on it

[harsh matrix]

Id keep it because of the IR sensitivity

If you really think you need to sell it, im right here

I want one

[vapid patio]

Fr? I will keep that in mind if your serious

[vapid patio]

It is a beast when it comes to ha for sure

[harsh matrix]

I am

I don't have funds on hand at present ofc

[vapid patio]

yeah no biggy

@tight lodge
https://app.astrobin.com/i/362xwp

[harsh matrix]

that is deep fried 😭

[vapid patio]

AND IT WON IMAGE OF THE DAY 😭

[harsh matrix]

wait really?