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Very nice. How did you perform that HDR?
I see
I didn't see much difference in the faint dust?
yeah, thats only 2 hours of data
Didnāt submit this later edit to the queue but only got one approval for top pick queue whatever itās called , no dismissals though.
Still feel I wouldnāt have gotten top pick with this one
wow that definitely is alot nicer with the points you gave thanks
hmm yeah u do have to zoom in to see the effects of drizzle, unfortunate
i appreciate u finding something taken with a very similar setup
definitely, yeah just a slight misuse of the instrument lol. carried away by details with mono + blurx
what about drizzling 1x does that have an SNR effect?
Really pleased with how this came out, it got decent traction and I'd like to use it as a ref for other galaxy projects in the future. So any recommendations would be nice.
WO Z61 APO w/ 1x flattener + ASI 1600MM - processed in Pix
Rho Ophiuchi
5 Hours of Data
Bortle 5 Skies
Stock Canon 5D Mark III
Rokinon 135mm f2
SWSA 2i
Thank you, exactly how I feel about reducing stars with my Z61 data, stars carry a lot of my galaxy projs. BlurX did do a nice job of reducing bloated stars here so I left it as is, but will def play with reduction more in the future. Also the diff spikes are from a 3d printed spike mask (currently designing a new one with thinner veins to achieve, hopefully more satisfying star spikes). Greatful for the feedback man! Thanks again!
Thank you a lot, Iām pretty sure this is in focus, this is cropped as the gradient you mentioned others had was kinda there for my image until I redid the dbe once I cropped it, was mainly near blue Horsehead for me so in my framing I got both so maybe thatās why it looks a lil less detailed? I didnāt use any blurx, my roki is quite a good copy for a full frame sensor at f2 having almost perfect stars all round.
Impart your wisdom semi
The blue side is star halos, but it still weird i agree.
Correcting the core is a lost cause without significant HDR data.
interesting. I tried GraXpert on linear and it though horsehead was a gradient and subtracted some of it.
This is another, not done yet, im getting broadband.
Thank you sir, appreciate it.
so the trick for easy top pick is to do a somewhat unknown target and just really knock it out of the park?
Just something they donāt see every day yk
Bit soft due to trailing, my scope is usually sharper
I think I'll see sharper results with guiding
dang man.. Iāve never seen that ha above and to the right preserved in the starfield
I honestly think Lagoon looks too dim here
My dbe takes out red signal there š
I prefer bright nebulae in images to actually look bright, but problem is there's not enough dynamic range to keep them bright without clipping
Yeah wow apers have gotten alot better overall lately
common targets are the easy targets lol
I could get a sharper result with good seeing
Sculptor only rises to 20 degrees here, so I'm shooting through a thick atmosphere. I do get your point though
Large Magellanic Cloud
Untracked
10 nights, 3 hours total intergration
canon 650d (stock unmodified)
55-250mm lens (shot at 55mm f/4)
Aluminum Tripod
Wow that's great advice thanks for taking your time to write it out
I have been thinking about using a higher focal length on this, might do this sometime next year
I wouldn't mind doing it but it's tricky since framing changes a lot.
I saw these images submitted before, so why not, this is also with the roki and stock dslr
Corona Australis is out of season 
Nah just need a solar filter and a few million hours of integration
how would i get more resolution?
just fine some image upscaler and do it ?
had to crop down bc of gradients and stacking artifacts
alr
what are some tough targets that people appreciate a lot
like witchhead
orions over done to the extent its kinda not as interesting
thats what i want to do now
alr
is dust with a stock dslr untracked something hard?
theres a lot of dust at the SCP and i can go quite wide
its IFN...havent seen any ha in that region
I'll give jt a try
I'm curious, has anyone done this?
Or shot dust untracked
It's near the Southern Celestial Pole so I can probs pull like 20s+ subs which would be nice
Ill need to do some experimenting
Any image i definitely had hopes for but never got an award @sharp grail
Probably just wasnt sharo enough tho or deep enough XD
That's insanely nice
This isn't a final as I'm still finishing OIII but I'm curious what your thoughts are on the framing + colors. In the final I def need to work out retaining fine details and making sure the overall detail isn't soft.
Zegery shut 
Definitely, having issues with my reducer... From my testing it seems to be misaligned, likely due to the previous owner dropping it. Hopefully will be upgrading fracs soon. But yea blurX does wonders to the tilt but the star shapes are still wonky.
Also yea your statement on the color makes good sense, I felt a bit of green did more to boost the depth than without.
as a professional green hater, i dont actually hate this one
one of the few times green looks good in an astro image
Why thank you Zegery
Good to hear. When in good balance, I feel it's a waste to not include the Ha greens... For most targets anyway.
Agreed
It feels like itās a NASA publication
I think I was being reminded of WISE images
or whatever else is done in false color green heavy
just that āopening upā POV you make with the crop on the spider region is šÆ
HOO might be dropping next week
@sharp grail lmk what you think
14ā newt
1600mm cool
28hrs of exposure time
Data by @desert junco
Curious about how a basic M42 core would do. I know about the walking noise
How are these two images?
Also is IOTD restricted for users who have bought a costing subscription plan?
Yerr, I have the lite subscription, which is the cheapest and it enables IOTD submission.
My broke ah sad now
Tbh these days you could just submit to apod
There standards seem to be getting lower and lower
My images wouldnāt win lol
But still neat to get apod for sure
Your running chicken is quite nice
Worth a shot
Itās Running away from the awards though
Lol wouldn't hurt
But brother, how could you š±, its iotd!!
Like a pig?
They taste good btw
Really tasty food
Fk why do i always ruin threads, smh
i thought this was pretty cool, shot this region since i wanted a contrast from the milkyway to the normal sky and wanted to create depth with the dust.
Thank you š
I dont wanna be rude but semi would probably reject this in the iotd consideration š
It just needs a lot more data, its noisy
i spent 2 hours processing that in siril, getting the stars and the milkyway right was so hard and noisy
as SemiPro attorney for this specific image I will say no
processing wise how is it?
too denoised
yea i noticed that graidient when i sent it to my phone. i tried reprocessing it several times and came to the conclusion that there mustve been a reflected in my lens i didnt know about
Im interested to see what you think of my image here!
Makes sense, softness is expected, sampling is at 0.39" and tilt is a pain XD lack of background galaxies is something i struggle with, despite the 14 hours of integration there was not as many as id hoped, anyway ill stop rambling, thank you for your feedback (:
https://www.astrobin.com/yrj3d4/
It got a top pick this week
deserved
No cigar for this but still be great to get your opinion, Iām mulling whether to return to it
Incredible stuff
Detail is immaculate
More data and it would be impeccable
Hubble is sweating intensely
Thanks gentsā¦more data will certainly help but damn I need a lot of it for that faint stuff. Working on both more glass / less LP approaches for this year.
Sick
Thanks totally agree, this is a crop from this FOV, then further processed, so that I have, data I donāt. Thanks for your reply will think about getting that data!
@sharp grail thoughts
May help if he let down some of the sat on the blues
i agree, too bad i shot blue filter when cone was super low so atmosphere was causing that, unfortunately i dont have enough integration for more of that deep Ha dust around it
but i could do some selective masking to reduce the blue in the next process
probably cause only 53 of 300 were good
@sharp grail thoughts? from bortle 8-9 btw, 18h 2-panel mosaic
Ok, any good? Messier 108, EdgeHD8@F10. Be interesting to know how far off I am.
@sharp grail thoughts ?
it may be a bit too saturated for the judges
5th ever DSO I've done. Carina Nebula with a Nikon D300s (Unmodified), SWSA GTi and a WO Z61ii. 90mins integration at 30s each. Thoughts?
cooked
cooked?
cooked.
what does cooked mean
overprocessed
They're trying to say bring down the reds and keep the more natural tones.
yeah was testing the vibrance of it, trying to find the sweet spot where its visible and centre stage but not not shining in your face
also if you wanted carina in the centre of your frame, you messed up your framing
yeah i know, my mount was being weird last night so it took forever to even get to a target, so I was just glad it ended up in frame at all
was gonna point out the stars, just saw them now
welp, back to processing it is then
i believe so, used starnet to isolate the nebulae, probably ended up playing around with the stars thinking it was the nebulae
aint that the truth
im in that middle ground atm trying to make the nebulae brighter without messing it all up given the stars absolutely COAT the image. Starnet gave me a very dull result for the nebulae (which isnt overly surprising given unmodified camera) but trying to make it less dull without oversaturating it is definitely something ive never had to do before
ive actually never used pixinsight, so ill probably have a go with that
how's this?
Better but personally too dark. Potentially clipped but j am not an expert on telling if something is clipped
yeah it was a little clipped, changed the output to fix it up a little bit, not by much, but stopped the clip
Yeah I was really hoping to get like 3 hours but only had till midnight when the clouds arrived and it doesnāt even get dark enough to polar align until just after 9. Hoping to get some better photos in the coming days.
Thoughts on these new images I took?
I believe the rosette is nice but I do agree with one of your past statements for the Statue of Liberty as this would probably look better with a broadband combination
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Great feedback, thanks, yes definitely needs more and better data. I was shooting in poor seeing / poor transparency. That star is very much an SCT thing, I still have some tweaking to do with the telescope I guess. Agree it's over sharpened. Thought I might have over cooked the colour too š
Nice surprise
oh damn it went through?
Wanted to post a revision but I believe that would reset IOTD submission.
Yeah that happened to matija
Ahh yea I figured
But yea a nice surprise regardless
Just got the email a while ago lol
Definitely!
Very hyped for galaxy season... Trying to get a hold of a 80-100mm triplet.
Likely going to run an Askar 103 at f4.
Do galaxy shots in mono need the RGB times to be 1:1 with the luminance? I always thought 1/3 would do enough
For most LRGB projects, 1/3 of Lum for RGB is the least you'd want to go. If you have say 6hrs of Lum it would certainly be nice to have 6hrs of each color filter... But not necessary.
Tbh it's usually better to compromise between lum and RGB integration times in order to get a bit more signal in lum while still having maybe 1/2 of that for RGB.
Do you think the exposures times have to be the same as the luminance:?
Ie: 300 seconds of luminance? Does that need 300 Seconds of rgb each?\
I generally keep them the same just for simplicity when pre processing
I see
I would generally keep them 1/3rd as well for the actual exposure to save time and spend more on Lum. Wonder if i have been doing that wrong
Your shot looks awesome so Id wager your right
I could go 120s on Lum and 300s on RGB as my color filters have a bit more contrast... My light pollution limits luminance sub times to around 120s without clipping star cores.
It's general good practice among mono imagers
Ahh i see, so its more a matter of "preferenace ?"
But if you can it's always nice to get a bit of extra RGB for decreased color noise
Have you tried a light pollution filter for your L?
I was thinking of swapping in my Antlia RGB from my osc to see how it does in mono (works great in OSC)
I have not, I'm in bortle 6 so it could be much worse.
That could be worth a shot
Oh my, that's gotta be annoying af
Yeah couldve picked a better hobby
Narrowband can be quite fun tho
you can still get most targets, it just takes time
removing gradients has become much easier now too thanks to PI and Graxpert
narrowband looks about the same
Oh yea, pix was a dream to use with Mono.
Wdym?
Emission nebulae look the same Broadband vs narrowband?
My results with NB in dark skies is not that much different in the end
emission doesnt seem to be worth the trip to dark skies for me, when it comes to SHO etc.
Oh yea id do narrowband in b9 and save broadband for dark skies
like i m sure the signal quality is much better, but its not worth the hassle, would rather shoot osc or lrgb
Definitely
I gotta find a place like 45 min away with at least low B4 skies.
that sounds like a nice problem to have
Not sure if you really need darker then that
like the jump from b4 to b1 would def not be the same like a jump from 6 tp 4
Not too sure, it's on my bucket list to visit bortle 1.
@sharp grail hows these
Hit me
I just got my 3rd promotion so Ik its competitive, but I'd like to know what I can do to go even further beyond.
Oh dam what's your AB @cunning stone ?
Dayum
Thank you! Yeah stars suck, not really sure why either tbh, same with the second image, i never had that before with the C8 but Iāve started using a reducer so maybe that couldve caused it? Idk but thank you for the input! (:
Thank you! Yeah the stars are off compared to my other images since I didn't really use a proper HDR method to get the image "HDR'd" since nothing would work I just stacked two different sets, the good core data, and the overexposed core, went over to GIMP, overlayed, and called it a day. The overexposed core data is absurdly higher SNR than the final product, but since I used gimp the overlay overlayed the integration noise on the good data. I might try a reversal of what I did to help with that though.
after you do @feral fable 's much nicer image, could you have a quick look at mine? im just wondering how far off i am and if you have any feedback for me.
its taken with a modified 6d and roki135, swsa and bortle 5 skies.
thanks!
i prefer ur image tbh
Thatās crazy, 10x better then my Orion attempt lol
thats really nice from b5
kinda makes me want to try it
thanks so much! im really glad you like it, but its all subjective, and im sure all the images in here are awesome
thanks guys!
haha no i think this is the best image ive ever gotten, and i put 12+ hours in it, most of my other images are terrible
this data must be nice man
also my gear carries hard
Cuz I wanna
maybe i should post it in the share data now your mention it
love seeing what other ppl do
Honestly this data looks better then lmcās orion lol
true, everyone has their own style and equipment, i think comparing aspects of our photos is good tho, so you know what to improve on
^ yea comparing yourself to others and learning from others is pretty fundamental in all aspects of life
Can you process my Orion data lol I want mine to look like that
i prefer his image as a whole tbh
Thanks. Iām fine with average and I donāt want to win any contest with my pictures. Yeah the framing is actually pretty bad, because my plate solve had some problems.
I just wanted to know if there are some things I could do better next time (with the given data and obv. bad framing).
I really didn't know that the title of the thread was meant literally. š Sorry for wasting your time š
Ok š
"I think you could actually squeak out a TPN with this. I would not call it too saturated, and its not in the SHO that we see all the time with the Rosette so it stands out. Pretty decent detail too."
Broadband good detail rosette is something of a rarity these days soo..
Absolutely no chance with astrobin imo. This exists tons on there
He said that @buoyant shadow not me lol
Wut where
@buoyant shadow #1188237929760436244 message
I know it wouldn't get any awards because its a popular target but I would just like some feedback
Keep in mind this was taken with an evoguide 50 and 533mc pro on top of a SWSA
Stars a a tad weird and I tried fighting the pesky halo and reflections from alnitak
Kinda unfortunate that framing and whatnot is so important. You can have a fairly high quality image of small targets like this, but without zooming in it looks like a image of stars.
I thought about cropping, but there is a galaxy cluster top right which I wanted to keep, even though itās small.
sure is it in sharemydata?
i just posted the stack
Meh I'll throw this here
such a bad image, why you even posting this crap here
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What is all that brown stuff it literally looks like crap
Lack of proper DBE
or it might be the Ha ?
or red something to do with it
looks like red layer on top of the image ?!
Yeah it mightāve been my Ha addition method
not looking for an astrobin IOTD since ik what youll say but curious how this is from you @sharp grail
This is shot with the 18-55mm kit lens btw so that's why there's CA
Yea its pretty bad when pixel peeping
just downscale 10%
Starnet left a lot of purple star halos. Was not fun dealing with
thanks for your input
You use it wrong
I'm gonna have to make a video on this at this point. DeepSNR is not just plug and play for OSC
I didn't use starx. Only starnet was my removal tool
Completely agree with semipro. Don't need to buy a star removal when you can get one for free which does a good job
StarX simply preserves smooth backgrounds so much better. Starnet no matter how well the data was tailored for it couldnt match starX in terms of splotchy backgrounds.
Here is the tarantula nebula agin, I remember showing you this image before this time I got more then double the data and I think it looks pretty nice here, I tried a different palette here to make the image look unique and stand out better
it actually looks like a tarantula haha
@sharp grail I put this on Astrobin. It only got 1 promotor vote. So just wondering whatās wrong with it
Iāve looked at a lot of Rosette nebulas, and most of them donāt even look close to that good
Itās 4 hours of OSC
Getting a 2600 soon, so hopefully I can get a wider field of view but Iām time limited with my imaging.
It didnāt look like there was a lot of noise in the image. I thought I got it pretty good.
Right now Iām actually working on the bubble nebula this is what Iāve got so far
Like he said, the image was perfectly fine. The problem is that just isn't good enough for AB awards. You either need to execute perfectly or do something unique. Your SNR was fine, but more integration could have let you take it to that next level
Absolutely nothing against your image btw, it looks great
Yeah, itās just funny because Iāve seen images way worse than mine that Iāve gotten promoted. I had a feeling it was just OSC. Hate or Hyperstar hate š
Iām not sure what are my friends# Mark Wetzel has gotten some awards in the past for images that I donāt think where is clear as that one was. I mean my image appears to be technically very good I mean I go more for realism, then false colors maybe thatās a fail of mine.
Is that a gradient caused by actual dust or is it something else?
Actual dust
do you have subscription to AB?
Yes
i like using advanced search to see what standards to aim for
I have the top-tier subscription
Yeah, almost all of those are not natural colors
There definitely is a bit of an artifical gradient here, but nothing that can't be fixed
Agreed
there actually just arent that many rosette awards
On the bubble nebula one? I was in a B1 on the rosette one I was in a B2
It looks great from afar, just not so much when you zoom in
Yeah. Low bortle always helps, but it doesn't guarantee there won't be a gradient
There definitely is something
entire first page has so few awards compared to likes for rosette. this target is just overshot i think
Yeah agreed
rosette, orion and horsehead are your crowd pleaser targets. everyone will shoot them since they look nice to people who know nothing about space
If you want tpn or IOTD just open SHASSA, find some hydrogen and dust and dump 200 hours in it.
You're trying to appeal to a completely different demographic on ab
yea thats a good st at
I thought, and I guess I was wrong that AstroBin was more about technical ability than pretty pretty colors
Astrobin is about that but yeah
It's an art gallery
yea technical + visually appealing
Just like regular art, colors and composition are technical abilities
The reason I was curious is with the rosette I have gotten more likes and compliments on all of the platforms on that image and any of my other previous images. Combined the guys in my club. Some of them have been doing Astro photography since the film days said it was amazing.
have you seen some of those club images?
That may be part of the problem.
ive found that local organisations often have bad standards
compared to global community on AB
Especially for only four hours of integration and yes, my one friend Mark has a bunch of awards on AstroBin. Heās the guy with that plain wave Telescope I talked about earlier.
thats the other thing, astrobin doesnt care about integration time or gear
in my experience
just the final image
I could be wrong, but I don't think astrobin takes the specific integration time into account yeah
This is my friend Mark
nice images
I mean, some are nice. Others are uhh
Lmao
Idk, the other thing about ap that I feel like not a lot of people take into account is how subjective things really are
that still looks sick for 5 hrs of data on a tiny target
Yeah
And I find that you, as the person who took the image, will almost always have a warped view of its quality (be that over or under inflated)
stop using tslive nerd, go buy your own remote cdk
Actually, for the most part, I think Iām my harshest is critic, but like I said that image has gotten more likes and compliments than any of my other previous images thatās why I was curious what was wrong with it and pretty much the response I got was framing which is not much I can do about that cause Iām limited with the camera I have right now and itās just overdone too many people shoot it
I wasnāt really expecting an award. I was expecting it to get more than one like from the critics.
From what Iām gathering the fact that I got even one like was pretty amazing
I mean promotion
@sharp grail thanks for the feedback thoughā¦
Yeah, actually Iāve only been doing Astro photography for a year as of pretty much this week last year I shot the same target for my wife you know to give her a rose for Valentineās Day so this year I decided to do the same target and Iāve improved a lot in one year
This is the one I did a year ago
My main issue here is the composition
Its too tight
Nothing's cut off awkwardly atleast
Was that image osc? Also, what region is it? Looks delicious
OSC, taurus molecular cloud. I'm glad you like it!
Ik it isn't too great and didn't have much time on it but I wanna know what can be better aside from more data. Ngc 2841
@sharp grail thoughts
Really cool framing, but needs a lot more data imo
@sharp grail
Oh, are lucky imaged pics not that popular?
What would that be, for instance?
Aight, btw thats an iotd from year 2 ago
@sharp grail
So not top pick but it's pretty good for what it's at. A larger target would be more ideal?
top pick nomination*
It has some flaws, but lets see how you rate this one
@sharp grail opinions?
So like detail doesnāt matter?
Damn
Yea fair
Iāll have to find other niche PNs ig
Hmmm considering that image, thoughts on this? Nothing unique except maybe for newt style stars. May fav image so far from the Esprit 80.
The spikes remind me of a Tak Epsilon or the Hypergraph
I think you done a good job with it, maybe the colors look to pinkish, lacking the dark brown and gray dust ?
Yea that's what pcc gave me, I agree on the magenta being a bit much but didn't want to desaturate it or anything.
Yeah not that, just the background
yeah
what happened to you saying orions overdone?
Good to know
Still can't believe that's only 3hrs LRGB from bortle 5/6
- Orion is behind an airport lightdome behind my house lol
Understandable
Completely fair. I usually keep my images softer for personal preference, there was some room to be sharpened if I wanted to
Very controversial but I like the halos, I have em because I shoot full spectrum
Softer for personal preference
I'm not saying I don't like sharp images
I'm not trying to push my scope
Thanks for all the time and effort youāve put it to this thread, itās been super interesting to many Iām sure.
@sharp grail say that again
wow ur getting professional, automated responses
lmao
Not mine, but would you promote this?
alex woronows?
Yeah how'd you know
takes some skill to cook something this good.
search up alex woronow apod
apod or iotd
yea
are you actually asking that
cause its the only guy dumb enough to post this
No
wow i love how well balanced the slight noise reduction is, together with the natural noise profile
i would personally have added a slight more noise reduction
i heard topaz denoise is super good for astro
anyways my compliments to the chef šØāš³
newest top pick rosette

i think that looks quite cool
Sulfur as luminance goes hard
Background a lil weird tho
Revive
I did a HaRGB of the running chicken, I remember the image you sent I believe mine is close to it
@sharp grail when making a return?
im pretty sure hes busy w life
