#Group Collaboration

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haughty iron
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upload it to wetransfer 💀

late umbra
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and whats ur scope

inner cape
late umbra
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aperture wise

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you can just be having a smaller sensor

modest estuary
late umbra
frigid patrol
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Man sorry guys

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I just am not having much luck with the weather

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But I promise promise to image the next few weeks if clear

late umbra
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i dont think any more pleadies until next year, im having clear skies next week but that probably my lest chance to get orion

reef salmon
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Pleiades is at zenith for my but can’t really shoot broadband due to LP

reef salmon
robust salmon
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where/how do u want me to share my 19.5hrs stack (Ha)?

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i wont be able to add more data most probably

haughty iron
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can you upload it to wetransfer or gdrive and share it here?

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@robust salmon

robust salmon
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Yess, I try sharing the one drive link first so that if it works it’s already done, if it doesn’t I’ll share it tomorrow with wetranfer

flint sage
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Hello. I was able to get another hour of Ha data. I've combined it and uploaded to google drive. (it's total of 4 hrs now)
I tried stretching it real far and I can finally make out some of the structure so hopefully this is helpful pepeCool

modest estuary
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Hey guys @late umbra @frigid patrol @blazing lake @flint sage @haughty iron @robust salmon I just got off talking to some people on r/ap and basically what they said is what we’re trying to do with this ha from B4,6,7,9 is literally impossible we need to be in B1 new moon skies to get meaningful data we can contribute. So at this point in time, or at least what I’m gonna start doing is focusing on particular IFN regions and dump hours of broadband data into it, basically just shoot broadband and forget ha. Until we can get a hold of someone who has a remote rig and clear skies, we can’t get the ha tail

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@mighty raptor as I was typing this you came to mind, would you be willing to shoot a bunch of ha data on M45?

late umbra
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@modest estuary dont use r/ap as only opinion btw

modest estuary
late umbra
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because you listen to them it would be always to reccomend a beginner a takahashi with mono

modest estuary
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But what they’re saying makes sense

tough lynx
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Does anyone know who took the original image that contains the Ha tail?
He/she might have a post or video on how they did it

haughty iron
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That’s true we already have more than 15 hours on Ha and it’s still basically unusable

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How much ifns around the region

flint sage
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Impossible? Sounds like a challenge.

Just kidding. I'll go shoot bodes galaxy like everyone else AwkwardSmile

I'll hold off on going for Ha for now. Thanks for looking into it @modest estuary

late umbra
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@modest estuary

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he said he shot Ha from bortle 8 so let r/ap stop bitching about needing bortle 1 for that

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he just has 62 hours of Ha , with 8min subs thats why

robust salmon
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Did u check out the Ha we have so far? Because looking at my 17.5hrs stack I’m pretty sure that if we get to let’s say 30 to 40hrs (maybe with 10 shot in monochrome) we can pull out something, maybe not as much detailed as the original one but for sure we get enough data to “build” ours…
(Sorry if my English is not perfect)

late umbra
long estuary
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Ah that's not very narrow

late umbra
long estuary
late umbra
modest estuary
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check-in

hasty flume
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check-out

mighty raptor
frigid patrol
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Today is a clear night!

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I am currently imaging, I hope I can detect at least a little Ha

frigid patrol
reef salmon
frigid patrol
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I know I am expecting too much at F7, but I hoped to at least see something

frigid patrol
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Hmm guys

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What do you think if we call it done

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Pleiades will only get lower, and we have good amounts of integration, albeit my Ha was disappointing FeelsBadMan

modest estuary
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Lol yeah, I think we’re done

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Let me check on r/Ap it any1 wants to contribute data

reef salmon
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You should choose a target that’s still low in the sky but rising over the weeks, gives you time to plan everything out

long estuary
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Also I should get tracked soon so I'll help you guys this time PepeHype

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If its not a target too big

native spade
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What about NGC 225 as the next target, I haven't seen many photos of it but with a lot of integration time, there is some really nice dust in that region

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It's also relatively close to Polaris so that may help get longer exposures

modest estuary
reef salmon
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Make sure it's both a broadband and narrowband target, those are the best ones

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But honestly I'd just leave it to the BAT for this lol

modest estuary
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Bat be doing not so great targets rn

reef salmon
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also pleiades is a pretty dull target too in my opinion...

long estuary
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I love m64 too, but I don't know how many have high enough fl for it or be interesting

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But it has a lot of different interesting features, the detailed core, the outer ring and some fainter dust

late umbra
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Guys this isnt bat, keep the targets reasonable for most people ok

long estuary
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M64 is not a particularly hard target

late umbra
frigid patrol
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Wait, so you guys are up to do another target?

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Thought everyone lost their motivation lol

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Hell yeah though, I would be up to do another target that is much lower in the sky

native spade
long estuary
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And it's only a proposition...

long estuary
modest estuary
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250mm+183MC pro

long estuary
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It would be nice to have a spreadsheet with everyone's gear

modest estuary
feral vessel
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has caphe contributed his m45 data?

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its only 4 hours but it looked good

late umbra
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why would he contribute?

modest estuary
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@rich bluff

long estuary
late umbra
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i think the purpose is to find the sharpest best m45 data, not just add integration..

modest estuary
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135mm f/2.8

late umbra
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4h of eh is nothing when total image is 70+h

modest estuary
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And he got dust

late umbra
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@rich bluff show ur data on m45

modest estuary
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@lusty zephyr @lilac dawn did you guys upload your high fl M45?

rich bluff
feral vessel
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#deep_space_pics message

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caphe's data

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or process*

late umbra
rich bluff
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ill upload the subs

modest estuary
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@old bobcat we’re calling it ends btw, so whatever data you got, upload it to the drive when you can

late umbra
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looks trailed to me

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just saying

long estuary
modest estuary
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@crystal gazelle (so many pings ik) but I know you have M45 data, we’re calling it quits so if you could, upload the data you have (doesn’t have to be HA) when you can

late umbra
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weighted stacking will remove trailing data

long estuary
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No it won't?

rich bluff
modest estuary
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@frigid patrol could I post the drive link in here, it’s easier

late umbra
long estuary
late umbra
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if you put 100hours of data and remove 10%... thats 10hours

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and yes removing 10% of bad data on a 100hour dataset is fully reasonabke

long estuary
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Weighted stacking put different weights for each image depending on its noise level

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It weights it, not remove it

late umbra
long estuary
late umbra
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im talking actual stacking not measuring

rich bluff
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I'm zipping my data rn.

long estuary
late umbra
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less is more in big datasets / sharp is better than soft high snr

long estuary
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Anyway

late umbra
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yeah who am i too speak..

modest estuary
lusty zephyr
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Or was through clouds

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And then moon came

feral vessel
modest estuary
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????? When

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Why

feral vessel
late umbra
late umbra
modest estuary
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Just upload the linear stack lol, we’ll use it if it’s good

rich bluff
rich bluff
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alright data is uploading. You'll have the subs and all that stuff by around 6pm @late umbra @modest estuary

mint quartz
late umbra
rich bluff
modest estuary
rich bluff
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Oh just so you can examine them?

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or do you actually mean you only need 3 subs..

late umbra
rich bluff
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alrighy

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that's easy

late umbra
rich bluff
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yeah lol

rich bluff
frigid patrol
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Ig the way I contribute to the group is processing?

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sorry dudes that I wasn't able to capture anything 💀

frigid patrol
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I feel hypocritical that I asked everyone else to gain data

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But getting none on my own

rich bluff
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i swear to god

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this is going to take ages

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@late umbra @modest estuary heres the #1 best sub

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ill send the other two

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2nd and 3rd best in that order

frigid patrol
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Alr so here was the reference we agreed apon

lilac dawn
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combining 1200mm and 135mm aint worth it imo

rich bluff
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how would you even do that

late umbra
rich bluff
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also I sent the best subs ^

late umbra
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@rich bluff

rich bluff
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I cant do anything about that

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I know theres coma

late umbra
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yeah stop to f4 i assume will fix that

rich bluff
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it never really goes away it just gets slightly better after each stop

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and I also dont use those smaller f stops unless im shoot clusters, as for targets like this I use f2.8

rich bluff
late umbra
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but is that stopped down already or ?

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because u are using apsc right ?

rich bluff
late umbra
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that means this will show coma even if you put a tiny sensor like a 585 on it

rich bluff
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its just f2.8 with the aperture ring

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nothing else

late umbra
late umbra
rich bluff
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yeah

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I thought you meant if I were using rings or smth

rich bluff
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are you still gonna use the data

late umbra
rich bluff
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fair enough

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that hurts pretty bad but alr

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I wasted so much money on that piece of garbage lol

late umbra
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50ed..

robust salmon
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Could u download my stack (13h Ha OSC) btw? Because if u still want it and u didn’t download it yet I have to send a new link..lemme know pls

modest estuary
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im pretty sure i put it on the drive tho

haughty iron
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Hmm

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This group collab looks interesting

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Maybe I could try

reef salmon
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I actually agree with lux here lol, no point combining worse data with better data for an extra 4 hours integration

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It raises an interesting question that has been asked about the BAT too, wouldn’t some images be better if only the person with the best data’s images were used? That’s why so many who contribute to the bat don’t have their data used in the final image

frigid patrol
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Damn, I just had a dream that I was stretching my Ha and I saw a bunch of of the ha structure 💀💀💀

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So depressing

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But thats beside the point

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Was everyone able to post the stacks on the drive?

rich bluff
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your scope

haughty iron
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You mean like

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The sharpness?

rich bluff
haughty iron
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Mhm

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Alr then

rich bluff
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and lux cant use my data cause theres slight coma

haughty iron
rich bluff
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Ya it is

haughty iron
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Very similar

rich bluff
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Orbits data cant be used either

haughty iron
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Oh okay lol

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Alr then

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Then Ig imma leave this group lmao

rich bluff
reef salmon
late umbra
rich bluff
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Im jobless and parents wont help me

late umbra
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ok than dont get anything perfect what you already have

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customize

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idk shoot targets at f2.8 and stop to f8 for stars idk

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be creative

frigid patrol
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So this is the drive link with our data

night idol
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what's this about?

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seen this a few times but never looked into it

tall locust
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Would OSC data at this FOV be optimal?

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I have like 4 hrs I believe.

frigid patrol
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Yeah that FL is totally fine

frigid patrol
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The idea is basically like the bat, except much smaller and just for fun

modest estuary
late umbra
tall locust
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Yii budget scope and cam, so it's not perfect. If it's usable I can upload it.

long estuary
late umbra
tall locust
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Makes sense.

frigid patrol
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I was down to do the black eye galaxy, but ig its too small

long estuary
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We should do a spreadsheet with everyone's gear

robust salmon
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Pinwheel? Still kind of small but doable imo

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Or bode and cigar (even if it’s getting kind of late for these)

modest estuary
long estuary
long estuary
robust salmon
long estuary
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What about coma berenice? I dont remember it's size

tall locust
long estuary
tall locust
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Most of the galaxies are a little lacking in detail just because there elliptical galaxies but there are some with nice structures.

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It has potential I believe.

modest estuary
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@frigid patrol I’m getting one more person to contribute some data

late umbra
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Just an idea.. we can do M81 M82 IFN ..

modest estuary
frigid patrol
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Apologies for the text wall, but we all will need to come to a resolution on what to do.

    Because Pleiades will only get lower and lower in the sky, there is not much chance on getting more useful data on it. And because of this, we should soon move onto the processing phase, where we all could combine our stacks, then produce a final master image of Pleiades. So if possible, if you have any data on Pleiades, please upload it to the drive! (It is fine though if you don't have anything though)

   Now for Processing and Editing, it will take a lot of trial and error to combine all our stacks into one master. I hope that it won't be a huge problem, though it may take a while to figure out. Once we DO get the final though, what we could do is each edit the data by ourselves, then compare to others. Then the image we all liked the most can be chosen, and then refined to make a final image.

I do hope that in the future, if anyone is fine with staying, we would be able to someday another (Much more organized and well thought hopefully) project on A second target!
Thank you all for being in the group!

long estuary
long estuary
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I have another suggestion for the next target, m63

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It has the bright detailed core with some ha in it and a fainter halo

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This is with a 5inch

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Maybe it's too small though

modest estuary
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hold

night idol
modest estuary
modest estuary
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This may be useful if we want to attempt ha addition

modest estuary
frigid patrol
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I never wished I had a reducer so much until now PepeHands

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But yes, it is probably best to move on to stacking and processing If we can somehow avoid the artifacts

long estuary
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Uh I'd like to try stacking but some files are in pix format Sadge

late umbra
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im sorry im going through some stuff i dont have time for this project processing part FeelsBadMan

long estuary
blazing lake
modest estuary
native spade
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So where are people mostly located? It would be much easier to choose a target if we knew...

long estuary
frigid patrol
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Il try today or tomorrow in combination

vernal basalt
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Hi I also do this with many people how’s yours going?

modest estuary
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Ded chat

rich bluff
robust salmon
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I’ll try next week, been busy lately and I’m not even sure where to start from 🙈🙈🙈

frigid patrol
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I am downloading the data right now, we will see how pixinsight stacking reacts

robust salmon
frigid patrol
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Yes, but I am still downloading right now so it will be a while

frigid patrol
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Same problem

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😓

reef salmon
reef salmon
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yeah so that causes no black line, instead you only see the difference in amount of data, 15h in that corner vs 60h or something

late umbra
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cuz people shot without the same rotation cough hermit cough cough

tall locust
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l,mao

modest estuary
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@blazing lake do your magic stacking pls

blazing lake
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its quite the hassle

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@frigid patrol where exactly is the upload folder? I might try to stack all of the data

frigid patrol
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3 files I saw

modest estuary
long estuary
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I'd love to help but some files are in xisf and I don't have pix :/

frigid patrol
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So somehow, we need to balance the signal

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without those darn artifacts

modest estuary
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there should only be 1 xisf

modest estuary
proven chasm
blazing lake
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@frigid patrol @modest estuary @late umbra I went ahead and stacke the OSC stuff we had (would've done the mono too but it wasn't working well) Here's the Stack: https://we.tl/t-yOZH486RJo this is Vikram's, Lux's, and my data

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hmm frick, it has a bit of a line

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heyyyy I think I fixed it

late umbra
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@blazing lake i just spend 30min downloading the first one UUUUUUUHGHGGAHSHAHAAHGAGAG

blazing lake
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well

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rip

late umbra
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run blurX on it and then send it ?

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like at default settings lol

late umbra
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@blazing lake WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

proven chasm
late umbra
long estuary
proven chasm
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Read it

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And one last thing it may not mention but should be obvious imo if ur not using pixel rejection…crop ur frames before aligning…u dont want the fked data at the edge of the fov

modest estuary
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That’s… the same stack as we had…. 3 months ago AwkwardSmile

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We may want to figure out how to include the mono data

vernal basalt
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yo guys how is this mass integration doing?

blazing lake
blazing lake
haughty iron
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Wow Nathan

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You really created a forum with more that 1000 replies!!

modest estuary
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Did u read Stefan’s guide

blazing lake
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mmm no not really lol

modest estuary
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Consider reading it AwkwardSmile

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Apparently it magic

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Idk

blazing lake
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how about someone else do it AwkwardSmile

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idk man it just takes a lot of time to do this

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to do it properly anyway

proven chasm
# modest estuary Apparently it magic

Im not doing it, and i dont think my guide covers all the knowledge i have on this topic, its just the basic shit. And no i dont wanna do it, i hate this sort of stuff

vernal basalt
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💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

calm lily
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bortle 9 moment:

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☠️

vernal basalt
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yo i think this group is struggling

proven chasm
modest estuary
frigid patrol
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hmm so

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You guys somehow managed to fix the line artifacts, but now the other problem is dealing with the varying signal...

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Now if only there was somehow a way for the stacking software to blend instead of just placing each stack on top of each other..

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Stephan, may I have the link to your guide?

reef salmon
proven chasm
# frigid patrol Now if only there was somehow a way for the stacking software to blend instead o...

Blending needs to be done manual but idk why youd want that, the artifacts happen if u dont turn of pixelrejection, obviously if the stars differ a lot…thats a problem potentially, also if there is no data in one image and all data in the other…well ya gotta get the proportions right, can just do 1+2+3 and 3xpect it to work, i think i mention looking at the frames and estimating the weight factors if pix cant figure it out right

modest estuary
frigid patrol
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Sorry but I lost my stacking knowledge because I never processed in so long

modest estuary
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shitty Siril stack of all broadband data (I got one other persons who uses a tak pepeHype ) @frigid patrol

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i gotta tune the scaling

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this is no scaling btw

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better

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idk

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@haughty iron

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halp

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@proven chasm

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oh and @mighty raptor AwkwardSmile sorry for pings

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@blazing lake

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i cant process

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but if you want this stack

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ill give it to ya

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or the original uncropped one

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you can barely see the lines

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@late umbra u as well

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another crop

frigid patrol
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I wish I knew how to stack with different lengths pepeMeltDown

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I'm sorry, but I don't have the expertise to somehow stitch these stacks together

frigid patrol
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Dunno what you did, but its blending really well!

modest estuary
frigid patrol
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I'm just not sure though that much else people have motivation to continue this project though...

modest estuary
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I shall

frigid patrol
native spade
modest estuary
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so

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who wants to process the stack

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@late umbra @blazing lake ?

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i shall find a way to add the ha

blazing lake
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Send it over and I’ll have a look

modest estuary
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from the l-extreme

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so fun

modest estuary
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gradients

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and you will need to crop

blazing lake
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Ai

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I’ll look at it tmr prolly

modest estuary
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@haughty iron @night idol @proven chasm (I humbly also request thee to take a look at it)

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@frigid patrol ^

modest estuary
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didnt really try

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the process took 5 min lol

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but it has potential

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if someone can figure out how to add the ha

robust salmon
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I might try later today

late umbra
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subtraction

late umbra
modest estuary
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is this better?

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thats not full res

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oho someones data is fcked

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look at them stars

late umbra
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ok

modest estuary
late umbra
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you need to align them in pix

modest estuary
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i dont have pix

late umbra
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so leave the preprocessing to someone that can do it in pix (not me, im done with processing m45, literally spent a month on it this year)

modest estuary
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lol no one did it so I took over

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it didnt turn out bad

late umbra
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how is the Ha looking

modest estuary
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we have 1 file

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thats L-extreme

late umbra
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bruh

modest estuary
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and lets just say

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its a little hard to pull out the filaments

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just a bit

late umbra
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F

modest estuary
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Plus there’s banding pepeCryF

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There’s another ha file but there’s literally no data on it

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I stretched it to hell and got no signs of filament

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@late umbra

late umbra
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siril deband?

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what camera was used for this, its noisy af

modest estuary
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helped

late umbra
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modded dslr?

modest estuary
modest estuary
modest estuary
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well that F'd up

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R channel autostretch

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R channel hist stretch

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Feel free to process it

native spade
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Seems pretty dark here, anyone still around? 🕸️

modest estuary
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Ye

modest estuary
feral vessel
rich bluff
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when the stack is available

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and I need to see its file size as well

frigid patrol
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I would love to try continuing this project with yall, but I absolutely suck with trying to combine data lol

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Also, my FL is too much to probably do much AwkwardSmile

tall locust
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Rip

native spade
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I also have a problem with focal length...