AstroShader: iOS beta testers needed for astrophotography app 📱🔭

[left cipher]

Just find a bright object and fiddle with it until it's as small as possible

So, a star

or Jupiter or Venus, or the Trapezium in Orion's core

I like using the Trapezium to gauge atmospheric conditions, basically if I can visually separate the four brightest stars in the cluster, it's good seeing.

[graceful river]

Oh ok!

Thanks guys!

[remote widget]

This is the Milky Way from B6 captured with iPhone 13. 10s exposure and 43 pic, ISO 1600 (ISO was to high a 1000 would be better)

[graceful river]

Oooh

That looks great

What was the white balance and alignment functio?

[remote widget]

Idk I think k is doesn’t matter. I use 4700

[graceful river]

Oh ok

Ty

[graceful river]

@remote widget Did you set your alignment function to anything?

[graceful river]

I keep getting star trails even will short exposures does anyone know why?

I also set the alignment function to strong and still getting results like this

[devout merlin]

Maybe the tripod is not stable

[sterile nexus]

I don’t fully understand ISO so how come you choose a low ISO when the slider goes up to like 32000

I usually use like 5000+ and am wondering if I’d be better off with a lower number

[sterile nexus]

nothing wrong with the alignment that I can see

focus could be better though

[devout merlin]

Experiment

With 1000 and 10000

See if it looks better higher or lower

[remote widget]

I didn’t work again! Idk why, it was 1s and 1000pic and ISO 32000 and no Horse head at all visible

Same with Plejades

[sterile nexus]

whatd you find out

[sterile nexus]

the horsehead is super dim, its a dark nebula

[devout merlin]

I still didnt

Only tried up to 800

[bold sleet]

v1.0.28 just released

This has a small update... Camera white balance is now automatic by default.
If you want to set this manually this can still be done under "Advanced settings"

[queen socket]

Hello when is stacking individual frames get added

?

[bold sleet]

Some time in the few months for sure.
I just need to build a few other things first to make it work

[sleek torrent]

I’ve had this app for a while now, and it’s good.

Some things you might need to improve on is the alignment function, because sometimes it doesn’t really align well but most of the time it’s good. Maybe also add the ability to increase the maximum amount of exposures. Other than that, this is a very good app!

[bold sleet]

Thanks for the feedback.

Just wanting to clarify one thing… Is this the regular alignment that isn’t working? Or using the realignment/reposition?

[remote widget]

So Everything is working for me. I don’t have a tracker

[devout merlin]

Since i don’t have a tracker i got to realign to get more exp time, but if you don’t align perfectly then the stars wont stack well and you’ll have like trails, long ones

[sleek torrent]

The alignment function where you can choose between light medium and strong before you take a picture

But it mostly works it’s not a big issue

[bold sleet]

OK great thanks.

Yes - sometimes it fails. Usually it’s when the ISO is high and the setup is using a higher magnification

[bold sleet]

Ah yes - this sounds like the realignment problems specifically.
I’m going to work on this in the next few weeks…

[devout merlin]

Ok

Thanks

[left cipher]

Ah, so realignments are more prone to failing when the iso is too high?

[bold sleet]

It’s not the ISO specifically but that often it worsens SNR, making alignment harder, usually in combo with a dimmer target.
Especially on older devices.

[worn lantern]

Whats pixel binning?

[left cipher]

Ohhhh ok

[bold sleet]

It down-samples the image by adding 4 pixels into 1.

Use this for very dim targets.

[worn lantern]

can u give me an estimate how dim an object has to be to be used? like should i use it when imaging smth surface mag 8+

y not use it always

[remote widget]

Mag 8 is bright, 14+ is like more dim

[bold sleet]

It’s hard to be that precise as it depends on the magnification and the iPhone model/camera.

You can turn it on and off to test as the preview will also be binned

[fluid valve]

ah always wonder what this setting did

[queen socket]

1-2 weeks ago
Bortle 6-7 skies

[sleek torrent]

That’s very nice!

[remote widget]

Idk what again happen I get a very bad picture. It was 10s and 260pic ISO 4600. it was 46min total in b6

[sleek torrent]

Nice shot of Orion and the Pleiades!

[bold sleet]

Do you have the original?
This looks edited…

[bold sleet]

Also could be worth trying lowering exposure to 2 or 4s.

Generally it’s easier to correct if it’s a little under exposed vs very over exposed - if this is an issue

[remote widget]

I have the original and 30 darks

[bold sleet]

So this was the original

This was the best edit I could do. BG extraction, black point, levels adjustment, sharpness

I think the light pollution / haze is the main challenge

It might be worth experimenting with lower exposure times and higher ISO. This can be helpful in this specific scenario - due to the way the exposure extension works

[bold sleet]

Also I’m not sure how much the darks would help if the issue is mainly light pollution

[remote widget]

Thx for helping

This is my newest pic right now
1x1000 and ISO 32000

[worn lantern]

ima go to b4 next week ans ima try to do some wide field

[sleek torrent]

Very nice! I live in a B8/9 but going to a B5 soon to try to get a similar picture

[molten violet]

M13

[bold sleet]

The next release will have a detail editing tool (a bit like wavelets) that might help pull some more stars out for this image

[remote widget]

Didn‘t know that M78 is so dark😭

1x 1000 iso 32000

[fathom arrow]

Hi! Any help on this would be great. I’ll show you both pictures. The first one (the better one) is a 30 second exposure picture just using my phone camera app and the noisy one is the the EXACT same exposure and setup in every way taken like 10 minutes apart. I just don’t understand why the one on AstroShader is so much more noisy with almost the same ISO as well. Even after I stacked 750 5 second exposure pics of Bodes galaxy last week using AS it didn’t turn out too good with lots of random noise. But I can get a much higher quality single exposure using my phone camera app. These 2 pics are of Whirlpool

[graceful river]

Hey did you take this picture? And if you did what settings did you use?

[south ether]

From bortle 9

[remote widget]

It was my pic

10x 260 iso 4600 b6

[bold sleet]

Oh that is very weird… Sorry about that.
That picture looks like a single exposure - and not at all like a stacked one.
I’m not 100% sure what’s happening here. Would you mind DMing / or I can DM - to try and debug?

[graceful river]

Thank you!

What was your white balance and alignment function?

Sorry for being a little specific

[remote widget]

White balance is off and alignment was light

[graceful river]

Ok thanks

[umbral bronze]

Still need an android version 😔 deepskycam doesn't do as well as my default camera app

[fathom arrow]

I DMd you for whenever you are ready 🙃

[fluid valve]

Comet A/3 Tsuchinshan Atlas against the back drop of the Milky Way November 1st 2024

Taken with Iphone 14 pro in bortle 3 skies

[molten violet]

Target for tonight:

Jupiter (looking to capture the Great Red Spot in color)

M81 and M82

*I’ll be experimenting with pixel binning as well to see if it provides better images. Along with this, I’ll try my best to make images less grainy.

[south ether]

Good luck!!!

[molten violet]

First photo of the night!!

So much better than my last best image of Jupiter

[molten violet]

Only DSO I managed to capture was the cigar galaxy. Star trails were especially bad tonight.

[bold sleet]

I'm working on an editing tool similat to wavelets. It might be interesting for your jupiter image:
Beta link here: https://testflight.apple.com/join/bZm6rqT1

[remote widget]

My attempt to new edit tool

[fathom arrow]

Some great colours there love it

[molten violet]

Verdict: I managed to capture the Cigar Galaxy, Bode's galaxy was unsucessful as star trails were very prominent. Tried pixel binning for the first time and I saw the image just became brighter. Slight increase in quality of image. Overall the image of jupiter really impressed me so i'm satisfied!

[hazy dirge]

plz when android

[bold sleet]

Was the trailing due to the app not stacking properly, or tracking issues, or both 😅

[molten violet]

Tracking issues lol

I’ll attempt to get it more accurate next time

[robust pawn]

for bortle 7 what would be a good iso

[bold sleet]

It really depends on the device and telescope.
I would test with single exposures then adjust

[robust pawn]

iphone 13, no telescope

also im testing it rn and the number of exposures is 15 and the exposure time is 7 seconds but when i choose raw as my format it says itll take 105 photos

why is that?

im trying to process in siril after so i have the photos but when i do tiff or heif its only 15 photos compared to 105

[lyric river]

Test yourself

[lyric river]

Make sure to dither bro

[robust pawn]

whats that mean

[lyric river]

Move the camera a bit left or right Avery exposure

[robust pawn]

sorry guys im very new to photography in general, i dont even know what iso stands for 😭

[lyric river]

If y don’t there will be an annoying noise pattern that looks like lines

[lyric river]

I get it, I was a beginner too 2 years ago

Just gotta learn

[bold sleet]

There should be a warning that comes up to explain this.

The reason is that under the hood your iPhone has a limit of 1s exposures. In AstroShader I combine photos to stack up to higher exposure levels. However this is done on RGB images.
If you choose RAW you get completely unedited data, so in your case 7 RAWs (x15 = 105)

[robust pawn]

so the number of exposures should be 1?

if i wanted astroshader to stack its own + i practice stacking and processing in siril later

[lyric river]

Why?

[robust pawn]

so it doesnt take 105 photos?

[bold sleet]

7s exposures (so under the hood 7 exposures) x 15 AstroShader exposures = 105

[lyric river]

You won’t end up with 105 photos it will stack them

[robust pawn]

but if i set it to raw photos wouldnt i have 105 photos to send to siril?

[bold sleet]

Sorry - yes to clarify op_nick’s point - this is only if you save all the subs in RAW

[robust pawn]

and astroshader cant stack if its raw?

[lyric river]

No u will have 1 unless u specifically request to save all 105 photos

[lyric river]

It can

[bold sleet]

AstroShader live stacks every time you shoot.

So will give you a final stacked image whether you choose to save all the subs or not

[robust pawn]

gotcha

[bold sleet]

Appreciate that isn’t super clear!

[robust pawn]

yeah sorry

i only ask because i def dont have storage on my phone for 105 photos

so that means i shouldnt save individual exposures?

or is there another solution where i can do my processing on siril

[lyric river]

Ye

[bold sleet]

If you want to process them in siril you would need to save them to your phone first then transfer them

[robust pawn]

but that would be all 105 raw photos, right?

[lyric river]

What happens when u don’t dither

[lyric river]

I think u are confusing him

[lyric river]

U don’t need to save all individual frames

Just don’t

[robust pawn]

maybe im schizo

[robust pawn]

dont bother processing in siril after? just let astroshader do all the work?

[lyric river]

Ye just transfer the photo with google drive to yo pc

[lyric river]

Ofc process in Siril

[robust pawn]

hold on

hollup

[lyric river]

I process with AstroShader too tho

Great tool

[robust pawn]

if astroshader processes the photos, how would i process in siril

are the individual photos still available

[lyric river]

U can just not process them there and even if u decide to process them there just transfer the processed photo to pic I don’t see the issue

[lyric river]

Not if u don’t click the button for it in the settings
before starting to capture

[robust pawn]

but if i click that it saves 105 photos

this right?

[lyric river]

Exactly

[robust pawn]

but that saves 105 photos

[lyric river]

Press off if u don’t want the individuals frames to be saved

[robust pawn]

if i dont click that option and i click off, then what happens

[lyric river]

Individual frames won’t be saved

[robust pawn]

and i cant process in siril?

[opal terrace]

yes

[robust pawn]

but astroshader would process them?

[opal terrace]

you need to save the frames to process them in siril

if astroshader is processing them for you its not gonna be good

[robust pawn]

can i process them if its tiff or heif

or do they have to be raw

[lyric river]

Why???

[opal terrace]

does astroshader save the stacked file unprocessed

[lyric river]

Ofc yeah

[opal terrace]

then you dont need to

[lyric river]

Haven’t u used it?

The app

[opal terrace]

no i dont have an iphone

😭

[lyric river]

Bruh

[lyric river]

Tiff yes idk abt heif tho

[lyric river]

@robust pawn he is wrong u just need to save the unprocessed stack with tiff or raw format (either is fine) and then transfer to yo pc

[opal terrace]

raw will be a lot better but non raw can work

[robust pawn]

hold on lemme check something

if i set the exposure time to 7 seconds and the number of exposures to 7, the raw image option gives me 49 images while tiff/heif gives me 7

[robust pawn]

oh alr

[lyric river]

U can set longer

[opal terrace]

always use raw when you can

[lyric river]

I think u could easily do 15 sec

[opal terrace]

at a phones fov you can do 15s yes

[bold sleet]

Someone on CN did some tests - there’s not a huge difference so long as the alignment works

[lyric river]

Remember to dither

[opal terrace]

i mean the processing not stacking

[opal terrace]

i dont dither and dont get walking noise 🔥

still dither tho

[robust pawn]

guys im so sorry for being so stupid

[opal terrace]

youre not stupid youre learning

[bold sleet]

Ah sorry - yeah the editing tools a going to be a bit limited - fair point

[lyric river]

You’re learning bro h ain’t stupid

[bold sleet]

Not at all!
Everyone on here once took their first images

[lyric river]

I was wayyy stupider than u when I first started

Learnt how to stack 2 years into this hobby lmaooo

[robust pawn]

if i set 15 second exposures and the number is 10 (for example), and i pick raw, itll save me 70 photos

so what happens next

do i have to slowly move my camera between the 10 exposures?

is astroshader gonna stack them after?

[lyric river]

How u save 70 if u only take 10 and again y do u wanna save them

[robust pawn]

to do some processing in siril after

[lyric river]

U don’t need to

Don’t

[robust pawn]

so then dont save as raw?

[lyric river]

Don’t save individual exposures

Save the stack

I raw or tiff

And the transfer to pc

[robust pawn]

oh

is there an option for that or do i save the stacks after im done taking photos

[lyric river]

There will pop up a message asking u how u wanna save yo stack when u finish imaging

[robust pawn]

oh alright

i just tested it and i dont have an option to save as raw

only png, heif, jpeg, or tiff

[lyric river]

Save tiff

[robust pawn]

and thats the stack im saving right

and id send that to siril after?

[lyric river]

Ye

[lyric river]

Ye

[lyric river]

Now that your done shift yo phone slightly to left or right to dither

And repeat

[robust pawn]

Too cloudy, I’m must testing in my room

Would I do one exposure for 15 seconds, save that stack, and then shift slightly?

[lyric river]

I think u could do like a stack of 2-3 of them and then save and shift

[lyric river]

And by slightly i mean like a few pixels

[robust pawn]

So this and then shift?

Or have the number of exposures be 1, take 3, and then shift?

[lyric river]

Set timer to 3 sec so yo phone doesn’t shake by yo hand pressing the button to stast taking pics

[lyric river]

Yep

Iso u gonna have to figure yourself tho

Varies a lot

[lyric river]

Make sure to post your results here when u get the opportunity to shoot, cant wait to see what u get

[robust pawn]

Cloudy tonight, might get a good window tomorrow

I can really get good photos of the Orion Nebula just from my phone camera?

[lyric river]

Yeah

[robust pawn]

Damn alright

[lyric river]

With enough exposure time you can even get the horsehead nebula but have low expectations bc this is your first atempt

[robust pawn]

Yeah I’m going for Orion first

Thank you all for your help, hopefully the weather lets me take a crack at it tomorrow

[lyric river]

Look how hideous my first Orion was

I bet u will do a better job

[robust pawn]

we will see

i first have to see if i can get in a good position to see it because my backyard is surrounded by really tall trees

[robust pawn]

Is it normal for the stacks to come out really bright or is that just long exposed clouds

I took some practice shots and the result was super bright but I think that’s the clouds unless you have any other ideas

[lyric river]

Can you send me the stack so I can see?

[lyric river]

If you have clouds it’s normal but if not lower your iso

[robust pawn]

I didn’t save it

[lyric river]

If it was clouds it would be obvious

[robust pawn]

Here’s a screenshot I took

I edited it to show you what I mean

But instead it’s evenly bright across the entire screen

With mars and the two other stars on the top

[lyric river]

That’s clouds

[robust pawn]

Yeah thought so

So tonight it shouldn’t come out bright?

[lyric river]

If no clouds than it’s gonna be fine

[lyric river]

Play around with the iso to find the optimal iso level

[robust pawn]

Does it automatically set?

[robust pawn]

Also how exactly does iso affect my photos

If I go lower/higher what happens

[bold sleet]

ISO is affects the brightness of a photo.
The downside is the appearance of increased noise.

AstroShader does not set this automatically.
If you change the ISO you will see the preview brightness change, just like with a DSLR camera

[worn lantern]

no (im the same dude u were talking to before but now im from my pc account)

[worn lantern]

higher iso means brighter photo but more noise

[robust pawn]

Gotcha

[molten violet]

In other words, ISO also affects the camera’s sensitivity to light I believe.

[robust pawn]

@lyric river @bold sleet got some stuff for you

im hoping if you guys can help me with this i can try again thursday with 0 cloud coverage all day

dunno whats going on here

the actual photos were normal iphone exposures and the tifs are from astroshader

[molten violet]

Crab Nebula

Used a free ai denoiser

[opal terrace]

shorten those exposures

unless astroshader didn't stack correctly

[molten violet]

Nah my tracking just kinda sucks lol

[molten violet]

Will do

[molten violet]

Yeah that definitely helped out, thank you 🙏

[devout merlin]

What telescope do you use?

[fathom arrow]

This is my Crab Nebula

Super noisy but it’s only 1 30 second sub

[sleek torrent]

M45
10 500ms exposures

[bold sleet]

v1.0.29 Just released

This contains the new details sliders - in the editing tools
Please let me know any feedback on this.

[left cipher]

I'll give you a report on it next time I go imaging!

[molten violet]

First photo with my 20x70s

I think any astrophotographer should know what target this is lol

[opal terrace]

hm, very difficult

is it pgc 383828829483?

[molten violet]

you tell me buddy

[remote widget]

M1 Crab Nebula, 1s, 900pic, ISO 32000, I only let AstroSahder stack 30pic and than, I save the image and I did it 30 times and Stack the Images on my Mac with Lynkeos.

[sleek torrent]

M42 for sure. Nice first photo!

[worn lantern]

you need to foccus corectly

@robust pawn pls tag me fromm this account next time, this is what i use 90% of the time

[robust pawn]

Oh alright

[worn lantern]

slide this until stars appear as small as possible

[robust pawn]

How do

Oh yeah

I got this of the beehive cluster yesterday

[worn lantern]

nice, try stacking nevt time

[robust pawn]

Horrible quality tho

But

First images I got of something I couldn’t see with my naked eye

[worn lantern]

great!

[worn lantern]

my first pic was this shit

of orion nebula

[worn lantern]

u know how to stack with astroshadder right?

[devout merlin]

You can at least tell thats orion

[robust pawn]

Nope

Got this photo of the Orion Nebula without AstroShader

[worn lantern]

nice

[worn lantern]

slide this

this is how much pics its gonna stack

it will take as many pics as you want, combine into 1 and then give u the 1 stacked piic

[robust pawn]

Wouldn’t it start shifting

The object

[worn lantern]

ye but it automatically aligns

[robust pawn]

How

I don’t have a tracker

[molten violet]

Still good to have a tracking mount though

[robust pawn]

If I get a mount I’m gonna buy a camera

[molten violet]

Kk

[worn lantern]

automatically

it aligns the 2 pics

[robust pawn]

Right but if the object is flying across the screen and I don’t have a tracker then what

[bold sleet]

With AstroShader you don’t need one 🙂

Well unless it completely disappears from the field of view

[robust pawn]

Is there time in between exposures to slightly move my phone or are they all back to back

[bold sleet]

Unfortunately not - this will cause issues.

[robust pawn]

Then how would that work

[left cipher]

You use the realign function, take a few dozen images, then stop the imaging and realign so your target doesn't go out of frame

[robust pawn]

Where’s realign

[left cipher]

screenshot from AstroShader

When you set that on, it lets you do a reposition interval that tells the app how many photos you want it to take before it lets you realign

[robust pawn]

Oh so I’d take like 5 exposures and then it would let me move the camera?

What happens after I take all the exposures I need?

[left cipher]

yep! But since the night sky moves relatively slowly, you could do a few dozen as opposed to just five per interval.

[left cipher]

It stops imaging and stacks all the photos

then you can edit and/or save it like normal

[robust pawn]

This was 3 individual 10 second exposures and it moved quite a bit though

[robust pawn]

Oh so the pause with the reposition interval is all under one stack ?

[left cipher]

Generally with AstroShader, I find it better to do lots of short sub exposures as opposed to a couple long sub exposures

[left cipher]

Yes

You're just realigning the target with your stacked frames

[robust pawn]

How many seconds and what’s a good iso

[left cipher]

It has to be close though

[left cipher]

Generally, the more integration time the better. That tends to be true with pretty much any AstroPhotography target. But I always do 1-second sub exposures, and how ever many of them I'm willing to do.

[robust pawn]

Oh wow that short

[left cipher]

So with my Flame & HorseHead image I did nearly a thousand, with my Orion Nebula image I did about 500, and with my Ring Nebula image I did 300.

All one second sub exposures

[robust pawn]

Can I see the Orion photo

[left cipher]

You can see all three

Equipment is the same for all three; Orion StarBlast dob, iPhone 12.

[robust pawn]

Oh…

I don’t have a telescope

I’m as raw as possible

Tripod I found in my attic and an iPhone 13 I duct tape to the tripod

[left cipher]

Ah ok

Do you have binoculars?

[robust pawn]

Yes and a monocular

[left cipher]

You can use that as a makeshift telescope if you're crafty enough

[robust pawn]

Taking pictures is so hard though

[left cipher]

Oh a monocular would be better

[robust pawn]

Took so many tries

[left cipher]

Do you have an adaptor mount you could use?

Like a phone adaptor that allows you to attach it to an eyepiece or the end of a bino/monocular

[robust pawn]

nope

[left cipher]

Ah ok

[robust pawn]

i put the monocular on the tripod and held up my phone for a 3 second exposure

[left cipher]

you could definitely buy one, they generally aren't expensive

[robust pawn]

im in the process of buying a dslr and a swsa gti mount

[left cipher]

I know Celestron distributes a lot of them, but they aren't good tbh

the one I had broke within a couple weeks of total usage

I currently use an Apexel Phone Adaptor, it's shaped like a rectangle and works fantastic

It was like only $30.00

[robust pawn]

gotcha

[molten violet]

It appears I have suddenly become bad at astrophotography

[devout merlin]

Umm

I usually extend background extraction to max

Brightness to mid

And strech image 0

[molten violet]

Eh all I needed was just to spend a few minutes outside

[devout merlin]

[remote widget]

Wich one should I get? I need a good eyepiece

[left cipher]

Oh! I actually have that one on the right, it's a really nice budget widefield eyepiece.

It's the AstroMania equivalent of it, I'm sure it's practically the exact same thing though

[worn lantern]

not a lot, astroshader can deal with it

[molten violet]

I should really invest in a focal reducer, I wanna capture something like that flame and horsehead in one frame 😁

[timber prawn]

What exposure time and iso did you use to do this brother? These pics are amazing

I can’t believe the entire time I used AstroShader it had an alignment function lol

I never even knew this

I was still able to take this though I guess lol

[devout merlin]

Yeah the alignment feature is very important for a good image if youre using astroshaderr

[timber prawn]

Damn I’m such an idiot lol

I can’t wait to get back out there & try it out now

[devout merlin]

Same

But its the 2nd week with clouds and rain

And got like 2 more coming

[timber prawn]

Luckily here it’s clear skies. Only reason I’m not setting up to go out is because I slept funny on my neck and hurt it lol

[devout merlin]

Oh dam ik the feeling

[left cipher]

I used one second sub exposures, the amount varies between targets though. For the Flame & HorseHead, it was about 950 total sub exposures. For the Orion Nebula, it was about 500. For the Ring Nebula, I used about 300.

[untold bear]

M 51
100s (with pause an reposition)
Images AstroShader
Processing AstroShader (didnt have the time for siril yet)
any tips welcome especially for this bright ring…

[devout merlin]

The ring can be caused by not correctly aligning the phone to the eyepiece

[left cipher]

The dark spot in the center can also be caused by the camera not being close enough to the first element in the eyepiece

Atleast that's what happens with mine, all I do is shift it closer and the dark spot disappears.

[lyric river]

When re positioning do I need to take into a punt the 3 sec pause????

[left cipher]

I've also wondered this, I always time my repositions with the three second delay rather than starting the imaging right at perfect alignment, but I don't truly know if that's beneficial at all lol

[bold sleet]

Good question…

At higher magnifications it will matter more.

The problem without the delay is that after you hit “continue” there will be vibrations that need to stop before imaging begins, so it’s a bit of a balance.

I’m going to start work to improve this at some point soon. I’ll post here when it’s in beta and live

[lyric river]

Yeah I’m imaging at abt 50 times magnification

[lyric river]

Ok thx

[left cipher]

I wouldn't do more than 20x magnification with AstroShader tbh

[molten violet]

I can do stuff wayyyy above that

[left cipher]

Yeah it's possible, but most targets you'll see that require more than 50 power aren't really worth it tbh

Anything smaller than the Ring Nebula and it's a little more effort than what it's worth

mostly due to dimness

[remote widget]

iPhone 13, 20s, 10pic = 3,3min total exposure, ISO 8200, b4 sky

[devout merlin]

How can i dither using phone to photograph

I own a 6” flextube dob if it helps

[hazy dirge]

Slightly nudge the scope to the side. Make it random. Do it every few subs, abt 2-5.

[worn lantern]

just did myy final stint with phone and dob ap before getting tracked and using my astrocam, also got m51 and m106 data, ill process when i can

[remote widget]

Good! You can see the most of the Galaxy. How much exposure?

[worn lantern]

about an hour of integration, m101 is dim af

[remote widget]

Did you also did it with 1s and ISO 32000

[worn lantern]

10000iso and 1 sec ye

[remote widget]

That Creazy that this galaxy can appear so good! it sb is mag 15 I think and this with only 1 sec subs

[worn lantern]

sb?

[remote widget]

Surface brightness

[worn lantern]

is it really that dim?!!?

damn

[worn lantern]

i think its 14.6

[remote widget]

Yes u right I watch it right know

How much magnification u use?

[worn lantern]

around 40-50

[remote widget]

How many exposure u did before realign

I using 25x and I do 20 exposures and realign

[worn lantern]

newer process

[devout merlin]

Any suggestions you got for me? Im going to b4 in two days and im still pretty new to astroshader

[worn lantern]

dont use repotitioning tool unless you shooting something really bright or u wanna lose your sanity

just set exposures to smth that when its done thhe object is comfertably in the fov

[devout merlin]

Wait wdym

[worn lantern]

i did smth like 60times 1sec exposures and didnt repotition

and did that many times

and stacked in siril

[devout merlin]

Ooh

I can do like 200

1 sec

And it will drift from one side to the other of the eyepiece

Depends on the targets location

[worn lantern]

leave quiite a bit of space

[devout merlin]

Ok ill do

So you say siril

Not livestacking

[worn lantern]

m51 sneakpeak

[left cipher]

Damn

Integration time?

[worn lantern]

newer process with blurx, 45 min cuz 50 out of my 95 1min stackks were rejected by siril

not bad for phone

[devout merlin]

Now that is fire

[devout merlin]

Yk i wont have much time during shooting or after it to stack

Im pretty busy with school

So i wanted to ask how much better is stacking on siril then livestacking and repositioning

[worn lantern]

its quick, like 10mins at most

[worn lantern]

i still use astroshader live stacking, just not repotitioning

[devout merlin]

Oooooh

So you take lots of 1 min already stacked by astroshader pucs and then stack them in siril

[worn lantern]

i do 60 second live stacks

[worn lantern]

yes

[devout merlin]

Yea very smart

Havent toughy about it

I mean i wont spend more then 30 mins on one target, since i got 2 hours of b4

(Dad got work and clouds are near)

[worn lantern]

sneak peak of my 25min m106

[devout merlin]

Holy thats great

Wait dont tell me all of them are from b9

[worn lantern]

b4

[devout merlin]

Oh ok

[worn lantern]

n106 final

u like??

[devout merlin]

Me love

[worn lantern]

i love astroshader

[devout merlin]

Im exited to test your idea tonight

Ofc it wont be as good as yours

But i want to get some data this galaxy season

[bold sleet]

Haha wow!!

[worn lantern]

tryna reprocess it but y is it blue😭

[worn lantern]

thx for the app

[devout merlin]

At least its brighter

[devout merlin]

@worn lantern just to make sure this is m101 right?

[worn lantern]

yeah

[devout merlin]

And you said its very dim

[worn lantern]

surface magnitude is mag 14.6

[devout merlin]

Oh wow

Idek if its worth trying to photograph it

[worn lantern]

new m101 process

i like this

[devout merlin]

Nice colors

[worn lantern]

left or right

[devout merlin]

Left for galaxy right for background

[worn lantern]

now?/

[devout merlin]

Right

[worn lantern]

really? isnt left brighter with saame bg?

[devout merlin]

But its noisier

Idk looks cleaner

[worn lantern]

finally i processed all my data

[devout merlin]

Beautiful

[worn lantern]

how i feel rn

[devout merlin]

Oh yea forgot you can draw too

[devout merlin]

Same look, different faces

[worn lantern]

insane how magical stacking iis

these are the 1min live stacks

[remote widget]

You get so good images, my images looks like nothing much

[worn lantern]

can i see

[remote widget]

Bodes Galaxy 16 Minutes, not much Spiral arms visible

[worn lantern]

not bad

[remote widget]

M51 17min

16min

[worn lantern]

my best m81 m82 is this 5min one

[remote widget]

Yes it’s look much better more details

[worn lantern]

only slightly

[remote widget]

I couldn’t even got Horse head in 16min

[devout merlin]

Really good honestly

[remote widget]

I don’t know man, I recently buy a new Eyepiece may its get better results

[devout merlin]

@worn lantern how did you denoise your m51

Or how is it so clean

[worn lantern]

in grax

[devout merlin]

Oh alr

[devout merlin]

Wanna take a look at my data?

[worn lantern]

yes sugarplum

[devout merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1364919819182538792

[devout merlin]

Cool app i guess

Some more cool stuff

[remote widget]

I will maybe get tomorrow a clear sky, I might try m51 to

[devout merlin]

Good luck

[south ether]

Good luck!

[worn lantern]

first time seein u here, are u gonna do some phone astro with astroshader??

[south ether]

Already done some times

I hope to try a bit of Milky Way

[remote widget]

I capture m51, it was almost 20min total exposure, 1s and ISO 10000. I think is good. Idk why stars are like comets. Maybe coma or I was not good Fokus.

[devout merlin]

Really nice

[devout merlin]

I had the same problem with the stars but corrected with pix

[worn lantern]

can i see some pics

[south ether]

Sure bud gimme a sec

One is b5 one is b9, I think it’s quite easy to tell which is which

(The blue one is b9)

U can see the winter Milky Way on the b5

It took me a while to realize that the background extraction feature really brings out the details, I didn’t use it at first so I didn’t know I got the winter Milky Way

Can’t wait to try this with the summer Milky Way from b2

@worn lantern

[worn lantern]

niceee

[worn lantern]

same setup, same conditions, same target 9 months apart

[south ether]

Thanks

[south ether]

Holy crap

That’s fricking insane

Like holy shit

[sharp pawn]

My first deep sky object with my new telescope
M13
I can’t get it to focus

[devout merlin]

Wdym

[sharp pawn]

It’s out of focus

[devout merlin]

Yes ik but wdym how clusters look through a 10 inch

[sharp pawn]

I worded it wrong

[devout merlin]

Oooh ok

Mb

[solar stag]

I messed around with lightroom classic with a photo I took from AstroShader and I'm very impressed with how well it turned out.

[devout merlin]

Looks very good but you could maybe tint it to green more

[solar stag]

Yeah I was thinking about that after i processed it but it's okay

[south ether]

Woah

Amazing

[remote widget]

AstroSahder can capture Moon! 0,5s 50pic ISO 5000, 50x Zoom

[sleek torrent]

So this past week whenever I try to take a few exposures (around 50-200) the objects in the eyepiece and while it’s shooting stays very still. But, when the final image loads in, the stars all all over the place, and I think there’s a problem with how the alignment function works because even with 10 exposures the stars are all over the place but they actually appear very still. Please send help on how to fix this.

[bold sleet]

Ah ok - I’ll take a look.

Although I haven’t changed anything related to the alignment function recently.

Do you have an example of one of the subs that weren’t getting aligned?

[sleek torrent]

Unfortunately I do not, but I will try again tomorrow

[bold sleet]

🙏 Thank you!

[sleek torrent]

No problem!

[molten violet]

Do you think there may be an option in the future to select certain photos and align them and put them together? I think it’d be cool to shoot an object in hydrogen alpha and then shoot it again in O-3, save those mobile images, and then put those together in the same app

Unless that’s just not how it works lol

[molten violet]

How many exposures were in that image?

was it just really long exposures and only a few subs?

Also there’s lots of walking noise lol

[rough lichen]

this is why monochrome camaras exist

[molten violet]

We’re in the AstroShader forum…?

[rough lichen]

congratulations.

your point?

[sleek torrent]

Oh and here’s the picture that I took last night of the misalignment I was talking about

[opal terrace]

to do it in astroshader?

[rough lichen]

good lukc getting a mono phone camara

[opal terrace]

you dont need mono

thats kinda like the whole point mr astronomy was making

[remote widget]

You need to crob Zoom in the moon

[bold sleet]

Thanks for sharing 🙌

99% sure this is due to an existing issue with the alignment where above a threshold in movement it won’t work.
I have plans to fix this…

For now you may find using the “strong” alignment function helps this (bottom of the settings page)

[worn lantern]

i finnd medium alignment works best

[remote widget]

@bold sleet if I do a long exposure with out a Eq mount will the App automatically stack and correct the Field Rotation?

[bold sleet]

Yes it will align for rotational differences.
Although for very long exposures the lens distortion in combo with field rotation will elongate stars around the edge of the FOV

[worn lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794651916646350859/1371783200669564958/Spinning_35mm.gif

[remote widget]

Right now I can’t capture anything because from Germany we have the sun set at 9:30pm an it get full dark night at 11pm and I have to go Work and need sleep

This was just my last picture 😭

Jupiter disappearing behind the sun

[remote widget]

@bold sleet Can you maybe change the ISO slider? Because I can’t get the Same ISO again after change it ones.

[bold sleet]

What do you mean sorry?

[remote widget]

So like the exposure slider. You can’t make example 1.05s or 2,36s. I want like it give me a option iso 5000 and not like iso 5003. only even numbers

[compact tree]

M104 Sombrero. Don’t remember how many exposures or how long. But about 3 minutes of data total

Would a volume shutter be possible? I have a remote shutter that just emulates a volume button, and it would be nice if i could use it!

[left cipher]

What gear? Also what phone did you use?

[compact tree]

Meade 2080 8” SCT
32mm Plössl
Phone mounted with NexGO
iPhone 14

[slender kernel]

Since iPhone only goes up to 1s exposure max and longer exposures are just 1s stacked to simulate longer exposures, what’s the point in choosing exposure length + # of exposures if it’s all just 1s stacked up. Or is there still importance in choosing a good exposure length with these iPhones even though it’s 1s stacked?

[devout merlin]

Wait what

[slender kernel]

@bold sleet I worded it weird probably. Like how would 100 x 10s exposures on Astroshader differ from 200 x 5s exposures if at the end of the day it’s just a bunch of stacked up 1s exposures?

[devout merlin]

Oh

Idk

[remote widget]

Bro what? The IPhones does more than 1s exposure, it not stacked. If you do 100 x 10s with AstroShader the phone will do for each pic a 10s exposure and stack with the other 100pics

[slender kernel]

Oh ok, I thought that iPhones could only do true exposures of 1s and simulate longer exposures by stacking. Thanks!

[remote widget]

The newest iPhones on the Normal Camera App they do 3 x 10s and stack. My IPhone 13 dose not have it, that why I have star trails with normal camera app

[slender kernel]

Ah ok, good to know. I remember taking photos with my 13 three years ago and I was getting a good amount of star trails. Hopefully when I shoot on Friday with my 15 I’ll do much better.

It’s my first time in 3 years trying again so let’s hope it goes well haha

[remote widget]

Good luck if you are in low light pollution, you will get Good results

[slender kernel]

My light pollution is bad, I’m in bortle 5 😭

[opal terrace]

b5 is not bad

most of this server is probably above that

[slender kernel]

True but I’m on iPhone so I’m extra screwed lol

[opal terrace]

meh

iphone struggles with detail ive seen

but getting dust isnt really harder

[sleek torrent]

I’m in Bortle 8-9 😭

[molten violet]

Nah I can capture blinking and Saturn nebula comfortably at 0.615 degrees fov

Saturn nebula is colored weirdly cause I wanted to boost contrast in my ap log

[opal terrace]

with no extra optics i mean

[molten violet]

Ohh

Well that’s what AstroShader is for lol (only for IOS sadly)

Default camera app sucks ass

This is what I can get in bortle 6 skies (graxpert denoising by hugo_astr)

[remote widget]

Bodes and Cigar Galaxy Live view! 1s and ISO 32000 b6

[remote widget]

AstroSahder vs Siril Processing

[bold sleet]

Ah I see. I need to make it round the numbers.
For higher ISOs the system never seems to land on the exact number chosen. So I think only allowing values like 1000, 1100, 12000 is more helpful and reflects reality

[bold sleet]

Good question!

Firstly yes - under the hood it’s limited to 1s.

I combine the images in a different way depending on whether it’s a longer exposure.
E.g. 100 x 10s vs 200 x 5s. For dimmer targets this can help push the data into the range where it can be visualised.

So for longer exposures beyond 1s it’s more of an additive process than averaging.

There are some other (very long) threads discussing the details of this but I’ll spare everyone here 😅

[slender kernel]

Gotcha. Thank you! So whenever choosing my exposure length, I should just stick to whatever length I would choose based of rule of 500 and whatever I would use on an actual hypothetical DSLR?

[slender kernel]

Also, when 1s exposures are combined to achieve longer exposure lengths, are they aligned and stacked with stars, or just directly added to each other, or some other way? And I’m assuming the stacking of individual exposure are done with alignment and traditional stacking on typical stack software, right?

[remote widget]

Only 1s!? This is bad there are so much nebulas that we couldn’t see

[slender kernel]

Yeah it’s unfortunate 😔 I’m pretty sure some phones like Xiaomi are able to go for much longer so they can do some good shots

[sleek torrent]

Do you know if there is any settings to fix this or is it just unfixable? I have been using Strong alignment function

[devout merlin]

The alignment function is not the greatest

Instead i would just take the exposures and live stacks and stack the separate pics in siril

So instead of realigning you stack on siril for example 6 images each 100 sec of live stacked exp

[sleek torrent]

Alr thanks!

[devout merlin]

No problem

[bold sleet]

You could trying upping the iso and exposure time if you can. There’s not a lot of alignment points in that image

[bold sleet]

Yes, mostly.
I would just go for the longest exposure you can get away with, without trailing

[sleek torrent]

Thanks for the advice! I tried it and it worked!

[worn lantern]

forgot abt this pic completely lol

[slender kernel]

I get similar walking noise on AstroShader 😢😢😢

[remote widget]

Not that bad it’s deepend on Phone, ISO and Sky quality and processing

[worn lantern]

i got walking noise too

[slender kernel]

I got evil walking noise

Can’t even process

[remote widget]

Ok you guys have much walking noise

[slender kernel]

Yeah it’s badddd

I don’t wanna dither for an hour 😢

[remote widget]

On my IPhone 13 I have not much.

I just need darks frames and flats

[slender kernel]

Not bad, it’s tolerable on there

Mine is shit

[remote widget]

I See wich IPhone?

[slender kernel]

iPhone 15 Pro

[remote widget]

Oh not bad but the results

I have a walking noise with my 12 Pro max

I think we should try Darks and flats

This would help a lot

[slender kernel]

I took 15 minutes of dark for 50 minutes of light and still didn’t help a tiny bit, I may need more

[sleek torrent]

Is this nice for a b8/9?

[remote widget]

This Guy Using AstroShader and combination with a night vision.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZsS_p6-Ug-E?si=zyE5Zam4ArqPJhjK

[left cipher]

that's pretty neat

[molten violet]

I could only dream of shots like that..

[compact tree]

@bold sleet

[slender kernel]

I would love this too!

[bold sleet]

(Sorry been away for a bit)

This is technically possible, and easy. However Apple state you cannot use the hardware buttons for things they are not meant for and might kick you off the App Store if you do.

I’m not sure what the real risk is so for now have left it out

[molten violet]

might be fine if you use the 10sec delay before it starts taking exposures

[compact tree]

No worries!

Considering Apple uses the volume button as a shutter button in their own camera app, I can’t imagine them arguing that a shutter feature is beyond the intended function of the button, surely. Other third party apps use it too, like blackmagic camera.

Would you be able to reach out to dev support and ask directly?

[compact tree]

That’s what I’m doing currently

[bold sleet]

Haha, I know it sounds crazy but this is the section from the App Store review guidelines:

“2.5.9 Apps that alter or disable the functions of standard switches, such as the Volume Up/Down and Ring/Silent switches, or other native user interface elements or behaviors will be rejected…”

Very much a do as they say and not as they do, situation

You can ignore this and actually implement it. But there was quite a famous example where Camera+ was completely pulled from the AppStore for doing this

[compact tree]

For volume shutter? Thats crazy considering apples own app does it 😅 Wild stuff

[bold sleet]

I know 🤦‍♂️

[sullen belfry]

Sombreo galaxy with iphone 14 pro max with aplication astroshader. I used 100x30”

Eastern Veil nebula — too noisy but is there nebula. Astroshader — iphone 14 pro max , 100x15”

I used iphone 14 pro max . Astroshader. Around 100-200x10-20”

[bold sleet]

What scope are you using?

[sullen belfry]

I am using sky watcher 10” goto dobson

254/1200

[molten violet]

We both really gotta learn how to dither 😭

[sullen belfry]

Dithering is only for eq mount and dedicated cameras or dslr not for astrophotography with phone

[worn lantern]

woah insane

[opal terrace]

not a single true word was spoken in that sentence

😭

[molten violet]

Bro don’t think I don’t see the walking noise in your enhanced image 🥀

looks like you took a transparent image of the whirlpool galaxy and put it over a schrunched-up blanket

ngl some of my image look the same too but I’ll learn how to dither properly, I recommend you do too

[sullen belfry]

I know there is walking noise. But i only speak dithering is not possible to do with alt azimuth you must after exposure little move right and left to do

[opal terrace]

again not true at all

dithering is always possible and necessary to get a good image

you even dither when doing untracked

[sullen belfry]

can i ask what dithering is i heard it only possible with guilding and eq mount

[opal terrace]

dithering is literally just making small random movements

has nothing to do with guiding or the mount type

[sullen belfry]

yeah when i use live stacking this is not possble to do and is not practicle

because i do live stacking and manualy click exposure and do movements is not practically

hard is very capture galaxy or nebula and do dithering is almost impossible

[molten violet]

You can always just click “pause and reposition”, just nudge the phone a tiny tiny bit, then stack again. AstroShader has an auto stacking and aligning feature right?

[devout merlin]

Yes but the feature is not ideal

[remote widget]

I just do 1x60 and then Save Image as TIFF. Reposition on my self again.
Doing that again until have enough images. Send images to Deepsky Stacker and Stack, Processing

And Is not much Noisy. Good Image

[remote widget]

M57, 22min Total 1x1329 ISO 32000. Stacked in Deepsky Stacker, Progress in Siril.
Condition bad: it was nearly full moon in Bortle 6

[remote widget]

Some how there is not much walking noise

[sullen belfry]

I tried capture with iphone 14 pro max and telescope M13 cluster. I used 120x15". I used live stacking Astroshader. And i processed it.

[sullen belfry]

Caldwell 38 – Needle Galaxy
Today i captured with iphone and telescope needle galaxy. Subs: 200x12". I used astroshader. And then processed it

[devout merlin]

Ok this is so good for phone ap

Did you use pix?

[sullen belfry]

Thx

[sullen belfry]

I used photoshop for this image, cosmic clarity

[devout merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/794642864218439681/1262558166898446416

Try this

[sullen belfry]

i dont have blurxterminator

[devout merlin]

Ask people

On that forum

[river forge]

Please dont use topaz

[sullen belfry]

Why?

[river forge]

It invents data

And it looks....bad

[solar stag]

Another Image with the milkyway using AstroShader and edited in Lightroom classic. It's very noisy because if I put in too much of a foreground and long exposures and a lot of photos to be stacked, there's a lot of star trailing.

[bold sleet]

Ah yes - if there’s too much foreground, the alignment gets confused and doesn’t know whether to align the foreground or sky.

I have a (very optimistic and distant) plan to add some magic process that just handles foreground and masks the image and aligns the foreground and sky separately. Kind of mimicking the way people normally do foreground in Photoshop, but would be automatic

[sleek torrent]

5x7sec exposure. I was surprised how much data (stars) came out of it last night in a B9

[molten violet]

Milky Way + mini moto is an awesome combo

[remote widget]

This was my Bortel 9 Image from Last year in Istanbul

[devout merlin]

Andromeda?!

[remote widget]

Yes there is andromeda galaxy

[devout merlin]

Very jice for b9

Ignoring the multiple rainbows

28 mins of andromeda, hellish night but at least got something

[remote widget]

Very good

[devout merlin]

Thanks man

[sleek torrent]

Wow, crazy that you got andromeda in that

[remote widget]

Yes it’s surprising. This was only 7min data

[solar stag]

Absolutely beautiful!

very impressed with how that turned out

[devout merlin]

Thanks

[remote widget]

Milky Way galaxy From Bortel 6.
iPhone 13, AstroSahder, 10x120 iso 1000

[ebon lynx]

👀 hydrogen alpha filter on my night vision. 20x 1s iso 175 . Gain was lowered on the night vision. First try with AstroShader

[left cipher]

That's really cool actually

[bold sleet]

Very cool!
There’s a (very detailed thread) on CN about night vision and AstroShader. Most of it is over my head 😅
But this is the first NV widefield shot I’ve seen

[ebon lynx]

Oh hmm I swear I’ve seen some wide fields with AstroShader

I’ll have to check out more from ppl

[bold sleet]

NV widefield, sorry.

I’ve seen a lot of regular widefield and NV deepsky, but not NV widefield. Although probably just that I haven’t seen them

[ebon lynx]

Ohh okay

[devout merlin]

Guys i need some settings so i dont get star trails

Im sick of them

Won’t waste another clear night doing this mistake

[remote widget]

What is you setup?

@devout merlin

[devout merlin]

Iphone 15 pro

And sobson heritage 150 mm untracked

And ill show you some short images

2-3 minutes of m13 and m57

[remote widget]

How much magnification?

[devout merlin]

Hmm

With a 25 mm eyepiece

[remote widget]

You have 30x that ok

[devout merlin]

Right smt like that

[remote widget]

You could do 1x30 iso 32000 whit out re align

Or even 1x60

[devout merlin]

This is iso 10000, 1s/120 frames

And trust me the stars here are good

[remote widget]

Ok I see, yo might try than 0.5s

Do ISO high

[devout merlin]

Ok ill higher the iso

[remote widget]

Wich Bortle Are u?

[devout merlin]

That was b3

[remote widget]

Cool Are you again there?

[devout merlin]

A single 2 min exposure

When you start staking more exposures it gets worse

[devout merlin]

I will when the moon becomes less brighter

So around 20 th july

[remote widget]

I stack the images with Deepsky stacker

[devout merlin]

Same

[remote widget]

Not that bad

[devout merlin]

Yea its pretty good

2 things that i think make the images worse are the eyepiece i use and the phine mount

You tell me if im wrong

I guess ill always have this problem with phone ap

[remote widget]

We would need a star tracker and a coma corrector

This was a image from Lucas. It shows it definitely possible do phone ap

[devout merlin]

Right so star tracker is pretty expensive from what i know

But idk anything ab coma correctors

[remote widget]

Yes

For my 114/500 Telescope a coma corrector cost 350€

I think also with a 150/750

[devout merlin]

Oh dam

Atp i shiuld js buy an astro cam

But its so much easier and comfortable with the phone

[remote widget]

But Same problem Coma

[devout merlin]

Oh so i need to buy a coma corrector for the astrocam too

[devout merlin]

Also you got a link?

[remote widget]

https://www.teleskop-express.de/de/gso-guan-sheng-optical-14/bildfeld-korrektoren-fuer-teleskope-138/komakorr1-18160

[devout merlin]

Oh 150€ thats not bad

[remote widget]

Yes found a cheap one

[devout merlin]

Now i gotta find one in my country maybe

[opal terrace]

No

Astrocam is SO much easier than phone ap

I can guarantee you that

[devout merlin]

How

I gotta carry my laptop with me everytime

[opal terrace]

It's still way easier

Even if you have a bulky shitbox of a laptop, which i did when i got my astrocam

Not only is it a lot easier but astrocam gives 100x better results

[devout merlin]

Wow ok

So i should rly invest in an astrocam

[opal terrace]

Yes

Also i haven't heard great things about that coma correctlr

Get an astrocam first, then tracking then a new scopr

Then all the non essential parts like a coma corrector and guiding

[devout merlin]

Alright thanks

Now i had this convo loads of times with lots of members and i have no answer

[opal terrace]

I did guiding before new scope, you can NOT guide with the heritage don't do what i did

[devout merlin]

What camera

[opal terrace]

Uranus c

If you cant afford that, Neptune c-ii

[devout merlin]

Heard lots of things about uranus c and neptune c

But also a popular answer was the 678 mc

A planetary cam capable of doing dso imaging

@opal terrace

[opal terrace]

All of them are planetary cams capable of dso imaging

Even uranus c is technically a planetary cam just bc it doesn't have tec cooling

[devout merlin]

Right

[opal terrace]

678mc is worse than the Uranus c

[devout merlin]

But tbh neptune c is more affordable for me

Like 400€ is over my ‘budget’

[opal terrace]

Uranus c is 315eur tho

[devout merlin]

What is acs?

[opal terrace]

A waste of money

[devout merlin]

Alright

[opal terrace]

It's for solar, it barely helps for deep sky and planets

It can't cool below ambient

[devout merlin]

Ok so its 360€

uranus c

Neptune c II is 200€

Ok not that expensive

And its 180g so not heavy at all

So its the neptune c II the right camero for my scope?

Ik there are better ones but tbh i dont want something expensive not bc i dont have money, but bc i wont use it as usual as some other ppl, kind of a waste of money

[opal terrace]

I'd do uranus c if you can

[devout merlin]

Ok

Thanks for the help

[upper crest]

Will there ever be a feature to import frames and stack and process them after they are taken?

[devout merlin]

Wdym

[upper crest]

like a feature you can stack and process images after they are taken because right now you can only live stack or process one image you cant stack multiple subs that were already taken

[devout merlin]

Ooh

Ik the developer is working on the feature to save the frames separately to stack normally

[bold sleet]

This was done a few months ago.
…If you mean just saving the subs, to export and stack using DSS, etc

[bold sleet]

Possibly a few people have asked for this.

This biggest challenge is probably a design issue around how to let people select 100’s images on a phone.

I’ve just finished a very long project to refresh the alignment algorithm that is required to make this work.
So maybe a little closer now

[upper crest]

Ahh okay by the way your live aligning feature is incredible it extends my exposure time from 1 second max to 60 seconds untracked

[remote widget]

@bold sleet is it possible that you can make the live view visual Streched? So it’s easier to find dark deepspace Objekts in live View. This would be a great new feature.

[bold sleet]

Oooh this is an interesting idea.
Not sure quite how to make it work - maybe x4, or x8 binning

[worn lantern]

ima do a 10hr+ milky way project with astroshader

[remote widget]

Good luck I guess

[worn lantern]

thanks

[bold sleet]

I’m really interested to see the results when you’re done

[shadow spear]

Is it possible to do multiple pictures so i can image stack

[devout merlin]

Thats what im doing lol

I took 20 images of 180s to stack later

[bold sleet]

Yes - if you go to settings then scroll and look for “Save individual exposures”.

I would choose RAW unless you have a good reason to go for anything else

[sleek torrent]

Is there any way that I could make it align to the stars and not the foreground so that it doesn’t produce star trails?

[remote widget]

You need to Crob Zoom so that the app can Fokus more on stars, and make sure there are many stars visible in the live view.

From New York you should lower the ISO or exposure.

[sleek torrent]

Thank you

[robust pawn]

FROM B9???????

I’m b7, let’s gooooo there’s hope for me 😭

[opal terrace]

i shot this in b7 last year

[robust pawn]

What settings

I’m on iPhone 13

That’s insane

[opal terrace]

I don't use astroshader i don't have an iPhone, i wss just showing you can do it pretty easily on phone

[robust pawn]

Oh

Fall is the best time to see andromeda right

[opal terrace]

Yes

[robust pawn]

I’ve tried using AstroShader and it didn’t work too well

Best thing I got was the beehive cluster, I couldn’t see it with my eyes

I made a gif out of it lemme find it

[devout merlin]

You are out of focus

Thats the issue

[devout merlin]

Also higher hp the exposure time

[robust pawn]

I’m new to photography itself too

[devout merlin]

And lower the isp

[devout merlin]

Oh makes sense

[robust pawn]

I don’t remember the settings I used

[devout merlin]

So what i use is around 8 focus on astroshader, you can ofc play woth it to find the exact lne

[robust pawn]

I’m b7, am I still 8 focus

[devout merlin]

Focus doesnt change with bortle

[robust pawn]

Oh right right

Lmfao

It also didn’t help that I couldn’t see it either

First and only dso I’ve ever photographed I couldn’t see

[devout merlin]

https://youtu.be/3hDp6HdqTuY?si=onTiZnO9jzf2GPQm this is how i learnt how to use it

[robust pawn]

Thanks

[devout merlin]

Remember, practice makes perfect

[sleek torrent]

Anyone else from B9 btw?

[sleek torrent]

.5s x 50 exposures (25s total)
during Nautical Twilight (morning)

[bold sleet]

Looks like the alignment was a bit off here.

Could have been the app, but also if it was windy.
Might worth trying longer exposures, if you can get away with it 1-5s. The signal-to-noise improvement will help the alignment.

(I’ll be releasing a big overhaul of the alignment soon which will also help a lot, hopefully)

[sleek torrent]

Oh I was holding the phone with my hands that’s why it was probably off a bit. tomorrow I’m gonna try a different strategy

And the “2” moons thing was I think from the window glare or a phone problem

[bold sleet]

Ah ok.
Yes, handheld and through a window will really be cranking up the difficulty level 😅

[sleek torrent]

Yep, will be trying a different region of space this night outside and with a stabilized holder

[remote widget]

Can someon stack my andromeda images?

I manage to do 2h and 5m on andromeda with my 12 Pro Max 65mm Kamera in Bortel 9

Don’t worry it’s only 13 images to stack

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iNWQEWSvmnIM31HlgxDBMjYW5iWoW5QN

[sleek torrent]

200s total time from Deneb-Altair region of space

[devout merlin]

So tomorrow im going to b3 again

Last time i did i shot m16 and did 1 hour of it, and i want to add more data tmrw, but last time i saved the subs in png

And this time ill save in tiff, do you guys think i can still add the tiff data on the png data to have around 2-3 h of m16?

[remote widget]

Maybe it will work, or just convert PNG to TIFF

[devout merlin]

How?

[remote widget]

I am doing it with PIPP the planetary software. Just add the images in and start a Process with TIFF and you get a folder where all the images are now in tiff

[devout merlin]

Oh ok

Ill try that out

[upper crest]

Is there anyway to add a option to capture in 12/24/48mp images (if the phone has a 48mp camera like the 15 and 16) because i know apple limits their night mode pictures to 12mp because of binning but is there anyways to bypass that? And capture 24 or 48mp images and just capture more frames? That would be really helpful (btw really off topic but REALLY GREAT IN-APP ALIGNMENT it saved me alot and got my single sub length from 1 sec to 60 sec because im untracked)

[remote widget]

On night time Photography it always 12mp, because 48mp can’t get Sharp Stars and edges.
I think that is also with AstroShader

[remote widget]

It also the same with Samsung, Even 200mp going to reduce to 12,5mp

[bold sleet]

Interesting idea.
I’ll explore this a bit but I have a feeling it will be tricky as Apple don’t really support it that well

[upper crest]

Yeah i figures just thought i would ask since low resolution has been a factor for me with phone AP and thought that would change when i upgraded to a iphone 15 but no😭 but also since it is using 12mp instead of 48mp does that mean that the frames are already binned 1:4?

[upper crest]

Why wouldn’t it get sharp star edges?

[remote widget]

Yes it’s 1:4 binning

[bold sleet]

Yes - if the sensor is 48mp it will be binned.
I’m not sure how his happens though… addition vs averaging

Another consideration with 48mp is memory, GPU and CPU resources. As everything would be 4x. Although I think it would be just about OK on those devices

[lyric river]

Yo I started my project, I did 100sec subs (I put my phone on the eq6r for tracking) and set iso to 600 and this happened, the center is way too bright, do I lessen the iso

[lyric river]

@bold sleet do I reduce iso to 400 and possibly lower exposure time?

[remote widget]

Don’t do 100s subs

Do if you like 60s or just 30s

[lyric river]

The 10 hour project has started

[sleek torrent]

What Bortle is this being shot in?

[bold sleet]

Ooh not sure what happened here.

Yeah I’d maybe test with a lower iso. Although looks like you nailed in the follow-up message

[lyric river]

I’ve stacked 1.5hours in total and it looks only slightly better than the single 5min stack, I’m starting to get a lil worried

[lyric river]

Bortle 4.5

[lyric river]

I did 400 iso 60 sec subs and even after 1.5 it’s so noisy

Looks like a single sub

It might be a stacking issue idk

[bold sleet]

That’s weird - how does it compare to a single sub?
If it looks the same maybe it’s just something with the stacking.
…vs if the single subs are really really noisy then something might have gone wrong

[lyric river]

Ok it’s quite better than a single 5min stack but the subs are really noisy

A 5minute stack shouldn’t look like that

[lyric river]

Should i do even shorter exposures than a minute

[lyric river]

I’m lost on how my 5min stacks are so noisy

Do u have any suggestions? @bold sleet

Look how noisy a 5minute stack is

It looks like a 30sec sub

[rough lichen]

My brother in christ you're litterally inside

[lyric river]

Bro stfu have you ever even used this app

[bold sleet]

Weird - does stacking make them less noisy?

Like is it the stacking or the subs that are causing the issue?

[bold sleet]

Yeah I would try this first - in case there’s something funky going on

[lyric river]

Are u talking abt the AstroShader stacking or the siril stacking?

[lyric river]

I might be losing my cameras dynamic range by overexposing

[lyric river]

I’ll experiment a bit with exposure times and how many subs I live stack in AstroShader

[lyric river]

@bold sleet ?

[bold sleet]

Good point - both really.

As it will help pin down the issue.

If an AstroShader single sub is the same as the stack - there’s an issue in the app.

If one of the stacks you feed into Siril looks the same as the stack of stacks - the issue is here.

[bold sleet]

Yeah. Other than double checking the stacking - the first thing I would try is reducing the exposure time

[lyric river]

siril stacking does make it less noisy

[lyric river]

Yeah ima do 30 seconds instead

[bold sleet]

Could be worth trying 30s and 5s subs but same total exposure time and comparing. Before doing a longer imaging run

[lyric river]

Ok

[queen socket]

Oooo hell yeah you finally tried it

[remote widget]

I captured Milkyway last night but the conditions was very bad. First image to noisy second image to much light pulution B4-5

[novel mulch]

On my iphone XR it keeps crashing when i try to take 3 exposures of 1.5 seconds by example.

[ebon lynx]

yeah woulda done cygnus but my tripod couldn't tilt up high enough w my phone on the back of my nv monocular

very surprising results in a good way

[bold sleet]

I’ll look into this.
I have an X I can test with…

[novel mulch]

It’s been a while since it used it, but my camera stabilizer is broken. Could be that… lmk if u need anything from me

[bold sleet]

Do you mean the optical image stabilisation for the iPhone camera?
Or an external stand you use?

I know the image stabilisation has caused issues but in later models not XRs

[remote widget]

Now I got a Good image. There is way more details as I aspected before

iPhone 13, 10sx120 ISO 1300 Bortel 4-5

[devout merlin]

@lyric river what exposures do you take

[novel mulch]

The internal due to vibration of my motorcycle

[lyric river]

I took 60second 400iso exposures but switched to 30 sec

[devout merlin]

Ok nice

Thanks

And how is it going

[unkempt urchin]

When will it come on Android

[rough lichen]

September 31st

[fluid valve]

180, 10 second photos stacked of the Milky Way using strong alignment in AstroShader

[left cipher]

that's really good

some trailing towards the top and bottom but aside from that it's pretty fantastic