Planetary Imaging

[rain mauve]

But man I love this hobby, it's soooo rewarding, I love ittt

[white prawn]

Oh, the selling my house bit? I say that to be kind of funny, actually. Though there's a nice bit of truth to it.

I got a gskyer 70mm telescope to try to see the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction - which I missed because of clouds. But once I started poking around and accidentally photographed Mars (which was a red dot and only identified because I described its location) I thought, that I was going to get serious.

I looked and found an Orion SkyView Pro 8" that was advertised as an astrophotography telescope, for $700. Based on income at the time was more than what I could do. However, my wife and I were thinking about selling the house at the time. So we discussed finances and agreed that when the house sold that I would use some of the proceeds to purchase that telescope.

When the house sold, the proceeds didn't sit for even a week while I settled some debts and purchased the telescope, which I have named Rio. 🙂

[rain mauve]

That is insane......

When the hobby hit, it really hits

[rain mauve]

anyway i want to ask what can 4.5 inch 900mm can do with planetary imaging? is it suitable?

ive just build my diy hadley telescope

want to give it a try at planetary imaging, its sitting at spherical mirror 114mm and 25mm secondary mirror

[low oar]

Respectfully you would want something 8 inches or better

But I’ve seen cool pics with a 6 inch

You would just needs good seeing

I believe the base should be 8 inches to save yourself from constantly upgrading and to be satisfied

But image with what you can

[rain mauve]

alright thanksss

ill try

i think its a massive upgrade from 80mm to 114mm

[rain mauve]

ok okk

[low oar]

W

[elder venture]

Quite a bit

with a bit of practice youll be able to pull a lot out of it

[rain mauve]

Thankssss I'll do my best

I'm excited to do planetary imaging

[main flume]

good mirror figuring too

if its a cheap mirror its not as good for plamdetsaey

[low oar]

Ye

I like scts

For beginners at least

[white prawn]

SCT for beginners? They seem a little complex, why not decent refractor or even Newt?

[low oar]

For planetary?

I mean scts you just point and shoot

[white prawn]

Yes

[main flume]

plamdet noot cheaper and betterer

[white prawn]

Same with Newt?

[low oar]

I suppose

I just like scts lol

I need a c14

[main flume]

how much that cost?

[white prawn]

Fair

[white prawn]

If ya have to ask ...

[main flume]

bc you could probs get an odk for a similar price

[low oar]

What’s a c14 new

[main flume]

AAHHHHHH

[low oar]

Like 10k?

[main flume]

WAHAT YHE FICK

okay

[low oar]

I have the c11

[main flume]

its not that bad

[main flume]

you can spend 10k new??

[low oar]

I buy used

I’ll just buy it off some old man who takes care of his stuff

[main flume]

may as well get an odk16 if you got a budget of 10k

bc it cost 8k

[low oar]

What’s that

[main flume]

optimised dall kirkham

[main flume]

https://www.orionoptics.co.uk/product/odk16/

[low oar]

How good for planets though

[main flume]

the boxes are 10um big

that could probably tell u somethin

[main flume]

il have to check

[main flume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/comments/5nzcov/the_moon_with_16_odk/

this was taken with this exact scope

[white prawn]

I mean if you have a 10" OTA and it's crap at planetary there was a lot of effort made to get it to perform like crap.

[main flume]

odks are difficult to make crap ngl

[elder venture]

Why a C14 dude

[main flume]

they should get a 30" dob

[elder venture]

Could literally get a used 16'' meade SCT

Used 25'' dob with motors costs less???

[main flume]

they could get a 16" class cass which has a smoller co than an sct :3

[white prawn]

Stop messin' about.

https://planewave.com/products/cdk1000/

[low oar]

I’m loyal to Celestron lol

[main flume]

toms scope

[low oar]

And Meade isn’t even a company anymore

[white prawn]

I mean, their Edge HD/ SCT class products are fantastic.

Can't say the same for their other lines.

And let's not get started on that which should not be named.

[white prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/trombone-pusheen-musician-instrument-gif-11434220432919976776

[main flume]

narrow minded :c

[low oar]

Yea naw I know

[low oar]

Naw

[main flume]

?

[low oar]

I just have always used Celestron

[main flume]

yea

[main flume]

.

wont broaden your views

[rain mauve]

It's actually decent, although it's using spherical mirror but it's 900mm sitting at f8, which mean it's slow, it's highly not usable like fast f4-f5, so I think it's should be fine

[thick heron]

Celestron and Sky-Watcher products are from the same parent company.

[rain mauve]

I did see some picture of the Hadley using like planetary cam, good seeing will get REALLY good result

I cannot wait actually, and some phone also, the result was fantastic

[white prawn]

I have an image that I took with a Celestron 127 that came out pretty neat, it's on my other computer of course

And if it were on I'd be able to remote into it

sigh.

[rain mauve]

Astromaster one?

[white prawn]

Nexstar

[rain mauve]

Ohhh

That's a good telescope

[white prawn]

Yep! I put it on my EQ mount because I wasn't trying to learn the computerized bit on that "on the fly" while Jupiter was out and the conditions were relatively okay for imaging. I wanted to see what she could do, not fight with a computer.

[rain mauve]

I heard if u want to make the computerized, u need like a wedge or something?

To make it into eq platform

[main flume]

you can just put on an eq mount

[white prawn]

To make it EQ you do need a wedge. I had an EQ5 handy so I used that instead

[rain mauve]

ohhh

[rain mauve]

i see i see...

[low oar]

I didn’t want to do all that when I was looking for a telescope

So I just bought one that came with an eq mount

[rain mauve]

2 kidneys wouldn't enough to buy this scope

I'm shocked it has 1 meter aperture

[low oar]

The sun today

[quick cairn]

Big

[main flume]

circle

[ruby compass]

@somber stratus would this be possible if you had exellant seeing and moon was like right above u?

[flint siren]

No ?

[ruby compass]

i mean for tom not me ofc

[flint siren]

Yeah and no for Tom

[ruby compass]

ah

but he had quite bad seeing when he shot his image

[flint siren]

Maybe, but he won't have that res. And moon imaging is not as sensitive to seeing as planetary imaging.

So some older moon images he posted already show his res limit.

[flint siren]

Not really good. It's made for fast wide field imaging with CDDs, so might be trash for smaller sampling with CMOS sensors.

[ruby compass]

the moon is sensetive tho

[flint siren]

Not as much as planetary, so the argument of "if he had perfect seeing" doesn't really hold.

[ruby compass]

bad vs good seeing

¨both in ir

[main flume]

what diff?

[flint siren]

I'm talking for better locations than yours.

[ruby compass]

uk is not much better

[main flume]

i live directly below jet stream :3

[flint siren]

Like ofc you can't make good images through absolute garbage seeing, but because of SNR it's not as sensitive.

[main flume]

and i live between airports

[ruby compass]

the left one was when moon was 60 degrees above horiozn btw. and worst part is. that was my average seeing

and the right clip is what i assume to be exellent seeing. (the moon was 23 degrees above horizon)

[main flume]

should i make a frac or a reflector design todays

look at the coma on an f1 parabolic mirror lol

1 degree off axis too 😭

wc

[elder venture]

what program is this

[main flume]

ansys zemax

dont look at the prices

its best not to

[white prawn]

Same here. Before I knew better I bought a kit that came with a tripod and mount ... now I know that best option is to buy the parts individually.

[sand umbra]

@white prawn wait do you have a Schmidt?

[white prawn]

Nope. Rio is a Newt and Evie is a Refractor

[rain mauve]

I've just bought the sv305 pro

Ik like player one it's better, but I only had the 200 dollar budget

So yeah I picked the sv305 pro

[quick cairn]

Good luck

[sand umbra]

@low oar I forgot how to read spaceweatherlive n stuff did the peak of the storm pass already?

[low oar]

Ain’t got a clue

Idk how to read that stuff either

[sand umbra]

Man it’s been a while I lost most of my knowledge

[elder venture]

yea

[rain mauve]

IVE finished my hadley telescope

i can use it to shoot the moon noww

lets goo

[quick cairn]

Awesome

[woven kite]

i need a saol filterrrrr

solar

this was with the seestar

scam scam scam scam

[quick cairn]

Get a baader

[low tendon]

@iron night full fov

[iron night]

Thats an incredible mineral moon

My goodness

Very impressive

[low tendon]

thx man

[sand umbra]

@low oar you’re currently imaging WHAT

[sand umbra]

Dude you know it’s bad when even the planets are blinking naked eye

[low oar]

👀

Nothing

[sand umbra]

😭

Just saw your story lol but how’s the seeing?

[low oar]

lol I know

It’s alright

Going back in an hour and a half to get Jupiter

But it will be kinda low

So 🤷‍♂️

[sand umbra]

Well at least ur imaging I’m dealing with crappy weather and a turbulent sky after a front that hit us

First clear day in a whole week so eager to image

[quick cairn]

I shouldn’t but I only image planets the hour they are highest in the sky

[sand umbra]

That’s really valid

Less atmosphere to deal with

[low oar]

It happens 🙏

[low oar]

Saturn Nov 14th

Compression killed this one

[sand umbra]

Wishing to get this soon, I’ll wake up early tomorrow try get jup

[low oar]

Niceeee

[low tendon]

AHHHH I WANT THE RINGS BACK (insane pic btw)

[low tendon]

make it a png, pngs dont compress

[flint siren]

Then stop using jpgs

[native plume]

sure just wait another year or three or four or five

[low oar]

It’s just default when my phone rewrites the file

[ruby compass]

anyone here good at processing ina?

[quick cairn]

Sadly

[quick cairn]

Yes they do 😭

[thick heron]

PNGs are no longer spared.

At least on mobile.

[elder venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370449380578033694/1432434755185545337/geto-no-brain.gif

[low tendon]

on pc they are full quality

[ruby compass]

reprocess of old ina data from late april

[digital steppe]

what do yall normally set your science rewards in ksp

[sand umbra]

I got Ina with a 4.5” once

Seeing was good, very crucial

[woven kite]

lol is this gonna work

[woven kite]

it kind of worked every frame like this but jumpy

[white prawn]

Wait, are you trying to image/stack a photo of a plane?

[woven kite]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-holding-flower-gif-5334994179370395420

only tracking

[quick cairn]

@somber stratus It’s that time of year for shopping, what type of hard drive or ssd should I get, I have a V15 acer nitro laptop for my Astro, I want 2 or 5 gb and fast for planetary

[digital steppe]

get a samsung m.2 nvme ssd

either 980 pro or 990 pro

[digital steppe]

dont get a hard drive

[wild rose]

then u also need to buy an enclosure

which is totally fine, but it costs a bit more to get a good one to fully take advantage of the speed

[digital steppe]

is that something for a laptop or something

[wild rose]

he said he has a laptop

so if u wanna get an additional m.2 drive then u need to put it somewhere lol

i personally bought some acasis m.2 enclosure and it works fine

[quick cairn]

i see

[white prawn]

I have a laptop with 500GB m.2 nvme that holds the operating system, and a 2TB SSD that holds data. Both are Samsung 980 series

[quick cairn]

I see

I think a 2tb ssd would work good

[somber stratus]

Portable SSDs are the way to go. I have several 2TB Samsung T7s, USB-C. More than fast enough for planetary data rates. I record straight onto them so I can just plug the drive into my main PC for stacking.

[sterile marsh]

@somber stratus you know theres a kid on tik tok stealing ur pics

[candid flare]

(again)

[candid flare]

#💬-general-chat message

[somber stratus]

Link

I really wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same dude I reported months ago. TT just didn’t do anything (surprise)

[sterile marsh]

He deleted

But i have a screenshot

[somber stratus]

Cool. Well, if he does it again I’m just gunna threaten a law suit. Obviously not going to go through with it, but should scare him if it’s a little kid.

Only way to get through to these clowns

[sterile marsh]

Told him

He tried to scare me with a law suit but in the end he gave up

[somber stratus]

lol, on what ground? defamation on images that aren't his

most impressive

[sterile marsh]

Yes ill share the video in wich i exposed him in

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdoe95XC/

[quick cairn]

Thanks man.

Should I get this? Or a T7

[somber stratus]

T9 is the newer version, so doesn't really matter

[white prawn]

One of my SSDs is a T series, can vouch for the T7/T9, best to purchase from Samsung, wouldn't give Wal-mart the business.

[low oar]

Jupiter this morning on Nov 17th

very rough data due to collimation issuses but it kinda worked out 🤷‍♂️

[main flume]

"rough data"

its better than anything ive ever got

[ruby compass]

Holy seeing. (23 Degrees above horizon)

[somber stratus]

good soup

[ruby compass]

would u mind deroatating? idk how too.

single vid stacked and sharpend

[native plume]

u have to capture multiple vids to derotate

[ruby compass]

i did

[flint siren]

Learn how to

[flint siren]

Not really, remember that you're using IR there.

[ruby compass]

i dont know how too or what app to even use

[ruby compass]

55 degrees btw.. (also ir)

[flint siren]

Google might help

[flint siren]

That's just jetstream

[ruby compass]

no airplanes

[flint siren]

And watch a damn youtube video

[flint siren]

I'm gonna pretend like i did not see that

[ruby compass]

i literally cant find a single vid

[flint siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5BdwYpWW-s

Just a search and you have a dozen

[ruby compass]

thanks

@flint siren why does mine look differant?

vs his

cuz i dont have image messurement

[flint siren]

Bro just try and do things by yourself

[ruby compass]

i have no idea how to use winjupos bro

[flint siren]

Click on cancel and then you will have it like him

[ruby compass]

where?

ah

thanks

[flint siren]

Yeah and i didn't knew either but i learned

https://tenor.com/view/man-trying-to-kil-himself-joke-fake-suicide-laughing-suicide-fake-jumping-gif-150330258641611340

[livid sierra]

Try looking for more than 1 millisecond before asking for help if you can’t even find the cancel button lol.

[livid sierra]

So you’ve never even opened WJ but yet you say you don’t know how to use it.

[ruby compass]

i didnt know i was loking for it

uhm moon arent alined.. is that concerning?

[livid sierra]

Check if the time of capture and the WJ detects match up.

[ruby compass]

it does

and location is correct

wait a min..

could there been an issue that my compyters time isnt exactly correct?

its 30mins ahead

[livid sierra]

That’s the problem then.

[ruby compass]

but even when i change the time 30min back its way worse

[livid sierra]

Make sure you use UTC time.

[ruby compass]

it is UT

[somber stratus]

Looks out of focus tbh

[ruby compass]

it wasnt but seeing was horrid

[somber stratus]

shift of focus position can bring the upper levels of the atmosphere into focus.

and it looks like that typically

[ruby compass]

well jupiter was blinkling like a star with naked eye

at 55 degrees..

[livid sierra]

How is your timezone offset from UT?

Do you have WJ file naming turned on in your acquisition software?

[ruby compass]

hm. idk

[ruby compass]

uh im 1h ahead of greenich

[livid sierra]

Do you have WJ file naming on?

[ruby compass]

think it worked

does this look right?

[livid sierra]

Yes.

[ruby compass]

okay good

[livid sierra]

Looks like Jupiter.

[ruby compass]

thats good i supose

[ruby compass]

@livid sierra is it as sharp as this tho?

cant tell

okay ye it is

[livid sierra]

Looks about as sharp as the data can be.

[ruby compass]

is there away to not get it cropped?

is moon supposed to look like this?

is that just a stacking artifact or failed deratation?

[livid sierra]

You have to either use the WJ moon masking feature under “Options” in the derotation menu, or manually mask them into the image afterwards.

[ruby compass]

final

[flint siren]

Go easy with the wavelets

There's no point in nuking the image

[livid sierra]

Yeah it’s oversharpened now.

[flint siren]

I do mines like this

[ruby compass]

i mean if u want too u could deff process

[flint siren]

That's what you want u mean

[somber stratus]

850?

or 720

[flint siren]

Both, first two are 720 and last 850

[main flume]

fish

[sand umbra]

Holy SHIT

I can’t image for a few days this is the 3rd jetstream from this month

I remember the day I was imaging right before the Lahaina fires on Maui the seeing was so horrid

Right here, (this is me but I abandoned this account)

[low oar]

10 month progression

[sand umbra]

You started Astro when?

[low oar]

Ummm the moon 2-3 years ago

Planets I guess coming up on a year

Like the photo said

Jan 2025 I guess

[native plume]

unholy seeing

[native plume]

wait thats with ir too

wild

[keen hornet]

Captured using Powerseeker 114EQ

[white prawn]

I want the RAW of this one so I can work the data. That looks steady and definitely a contrast to my seeing last night which was rather wobbly.

[keen hornet]

This was captured using a phone camera. So this is how it came out

[sand umbra]

Hacker

[main flume]

wh a t

[keen hornet]

Haha

[native plume]

with a powerseeker??

[keen hornet]

Yesss

[quick cairn]

That’s insane

[quick cairn]

Want me to stack it?

[quick cairn]

What pixel size?

I cant add color because its a mono file

there is no rbg

[sand umbra]

I got similar shots with my powerseeker

[quick cairn]

Crazy

[cold torrent]

ayo dudes

is it possible to get great results using just a smartphone camera with scope

instead of using any dedicated planetary or astronomy camera on your scope

[low oar]

Depends on your scope

And what you consider results

[white prawn]

Personally based on what I've been able to accomplish with a smart phone camera on telescope, I'm going to say you have to have a really wide and accommodating definition of "results" to be able to answer affirmatively to that question.

The least I'd suggest or say is acceptable and would get some reasonable results is a DSLR. Maybe mirrorless, haven't tried mine on it yet.

[ruby compass]

Color vs Ir.

pretty good seeing

combined

[quick cairn]

Awesome

[ruby compass]

thanks :S

[sand umbra]

What’s your scope? Or your scopes mirror diameters

[ruby compass]

8" dob

untracked but made my own eq platform

[sand umbra]

I haven’t imaged since then

trying to get back but clouds and seeing are a big part so no sessions currently

[ruby compass]

ah

nice

[keen hornet]

U are Cj's astrophotography on YouTube, right?

[sand umbra]

Affirm, how’d you know?

[keen hornet]

I am your subscriber. Because of your videos only I decided to buy Powerseeker.

[sand umbra]

Damn I didn’t know I had that much of an influence

Well the norm was that all of us amateurs thought that the whole Powerseeker line up, and they mean all, are absolute garbage. I happen to buy the one where it’s actually solid and really it’s perfect for beginners

114EQ is not all that bad, might be perfect for beginner astrophotographers who really want to be into this field, heck it even got me ( @steep apex ) to mini nerd for my planetary work

Just really solid stuff, I would show but I can’t because someone ruined it for protostars

[keen hornet]

If u ask mods to give you protostar, they will give it to you

[sand umbra]

U mean nerd? They need to know you’re knowledgeable and or have good images

[keen hornet]

If u ask in general discussion, they will give it to you

[sand umbra]

Sure thanks I’ll try ask in a bit

[keen hornet]

And accept my request mate

[terse night]

Did he HAVE to use this thumbnail? 😭

[quick cairn]

5400mm with an 8” is pushing it haha good image

[flint siren]

It's because of a defect of the barlow

[main flume]

YES

[teal sandal]

?

[flint siren]

Barlow is a 2.7x cuz of a defect

[main flume]

sily

[teal sandal]

oh damn

[elder venture]

not a defect

just wrong spacing

a defect implies the optics have an issue which they clearly dont

[flint siren]

Bruh you think i'm dumb ?

[elder venture]

no im just correcting your wording

[flint siren]

There's clearly not enough spacing to produce that effect

[elder venture]

a wrong spacing in an optical instrument which lets you vary the spacing isnt really a defect

[flint siren]

Like i cant get the cam closer to the lens

[elder venture]

yeah and thats totally fine

but that isnt a defect

[flint siren]

❌

[quick cairn]

Hm

[thick heron]

Probably about 2x with an eyepiece.

[flint siren]

Nope

[thick heron]

If not then then it set the bar low.

[quick cairn]

Hey Ethan, can you take a look at this issue in case you have anymore info

[thick heron]

There is a solution to bring it outside the focuser.

[quick cairn]

What?

[rugged knoll]

[thick heron]

You gotta shorten the scope to move focus in range of the focuser.

In other words...

[main flume]

take mirror cell out, chop tube then put back on

[quick cairn]

haha not my scope cant do that

[quick cairn]

Cant use a barlow?

[thick heron]

A barlow will move it outwards, but ideally the amount of magnification should be based on the pixel size of the camera, not on how far the focal plane needs to move outwards to reach focus. If it happens to work out, that's great.

[quick cairn]

I see

[white prawn]

How the heck does a telescope get a focal point inside the focusing tube? Another Celestron product?

[native plume]

absolutely

[rain mauve]

Hey just wanna ask, is it the higher the fps when caputing let's say jupiter, capturing at 200+ fps / sec is beneficial?

I've read some forum in CD some says it depends on the seeing, if the seeing good, then it's good to set high fps, some say 60+ fps is enough, some say yes indeed you need more fps

[elder venture]

The focal point for a camera is at a different place than for an eyepiece, so naturally if you don’t account for that in the design its likely that getting camera focus is hard or impossible

[lyric meadow]

uhhh can someone stack my data....

i don't have a computer 😕

https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/tDtEbc6x3E7d

[white prawn]

Biscuit did a video on what was ideal exposure length. It probably does, since more fps = less exposure time = less time for atmosphere to wobble in each frame.

[white prawn]

I must have been really lucky when I purchased Rio, because I've been able to do visual and photography with DSLR and Planetary camera without having to modify the OTA.

[quick cairn]

@somber stratus Whats your fav thing to look at visually with the 24"?

The observatory folks said you can't look at jupiter because its too bright, Im going to have free access to a 24" tonight

What if I use an IR pass filter?

[thick heron]

You can absolutely and should look at Jupiter.

Ideally with a double polarizer filter to adjust brightness.

[somber stratus]

Well, you might run into issues since you can't see NIR lol

but Saturn and Jupiter are the best.

[thick heron]

It's a great choice if you want to see nothing.

Don't forget Neptune and Uranus.

[somber stratus]

make sure you're at least running 500x or so.

[rain mauve]

Ok I'll search for it

Thankss

[compact bough]

Hell yes

[compact bough]

Don't underestimate phone astrophotography only for budget tho imo

[white prawn]

Impossible to underestimate; I've tried it and everything has come out crap.

[hasty hull]

I got some decent stuff in 2021 with a phone and 6” dob

[compact bough]

Saturn looks crazy

Crazy good for phone

This wasn't too long ago w phone but best pic of moon i got using a 6inch

Seeing was eh tho but still happy

[quick cairn]

Got it, I think we were running 480x

Saw Neptune and Tritan

Damn.

[rain mauve]

Captured the moon with my diy 4.5 inch telescope, I'm so happy about it, cuz it has no chromatic aberation

[rain mauve]

I've just captured the Saturn with no Barlow and sv305pro

What can I improve?

[quick cairn]

thats already really good for the setup

[rain mauve]

Thanks tho, I thought I would have done something 'off' so I would like to have some opinions of you guys

[quick cairn]

I mean its pretty decent

whats the pixel size and focal length

[rain mauve]

2.9 and 900mm

I did ROI at 320x240

Seeing wasn't that great 5/10

[quick cairn]

are you using sharpcap?

[rain mauve]

Yes

[quick cairn]

Does that camera let you change your ROI

[rain mauve]

Yes

[quick cairn]

why not use smaller?

better frame rate

for planets you want the more frames possible

[rain mauve]

Ouhhh, I can choose the ROI

I did 320x240

Captured at 100fps

[quick cairn]

no no, im asking if you can custum roi

[quick cairn]

okay nvm thats good

how long video

[rain mauve]

Ohhh yes I can

[rain mauve]

2.30 mins

[quick cairn]

you can go to 3

[rain mauve]

I'm doing it untracked so I have to pause and then continue

[quick cairn]

ohhhh wait

[rain mauve]

Ok ok

[quick cairn]

no dont

stay at 2.5

You are innovative

you are doing the same thing i did with my first scope

pausing moving the scope and unpausing

good work

[rain mauve]

Thanks thoo, appreciate it so much

[rain mauve]

jupiter with 4.5 inch telescope, captured with sv305 pro 6000 frames captured stacked like 40 percent of them, honestly this is my expected result, so happy about it so far

[ruby compass]

Omg

Im mininers

Mininerd*

[rain mauve]

: D

[quick cairn]

awesome

[rain mauve]

thank youu

[main flume]

miminerd

[quick cairn]

wonderful earth shine, i saw this last night too

[flint siren]

Ganymede shadow transit, IR720. Seeing was too poor for vis.

[teal sandal]

daym that ir720 looks clean

lovely image

[rain mauve]

Any idea how to do mosaic moon with untracked?

[quick cairn]

I think sharpcap has a mosaic feature

It’ll help

Look in tools

[rain mauve]

Okayy thankss

[flint siren]

Reprocessing of the 2025/02/16.

[rain mauve]

hmm that did not go well

lmao

mosaic panel 1

[low oar]

W

Soon you can do 50 panels

[rain mauve]

Moon waxing crescent with 3x panel

First time doing mosaic with untracked

[rain mauve]

Wow, so many

[rain mauve]

Jupiter rotation

Seeing was bad

[glad mason]

is this with the 4.5 inch diy scope?

looks nice

[rain mauve]

Yesss

[rain mauve]

Thank you

[glad mason]

are you the one that is from Indonesia right?

where did you buy the mirror and the telescope's tube?

[rain mauve]

Yess

[rain mauve]

The tube itself, it was 3d printed
Mirror I bought from Alibaba

[glad mason]

ooooh

did you also build the mount yourself?

[rain mauve]

Yesss

[rain mauve]

Yes

I use hill mount

It's very sturdy and very stable, micro adjustment is comfy

[glad mason]

also 3d printed?

[rain mauve]

It was mostly filled with rods, screws and nut, but yes the material like 35 percent of the mount were 3d printed

[glad mason]

nicee

[rain mauve]

The right one is the mount and the telescope

[glad mason]

that looks really good

[rain mauve]

Extremely comfy compared to my eq1 mount, micro adjustment is a nightmare

In eq1

[glad mason]

yeah

[rain mauve]

Thanks Mann, appreciate it

[glad mason]

which province do you come from btw

It has been raining here at my place for the past week.

[rain mauve]

Couldn't be more happy with this set up, though I think 4.5 inch is kind of small? , I'll be investing for the 8 inch or maybe DIY again : D

[rain mauve]

I'm from Jakarta

[glad mason]

ohh

[rain mauve]

The capital city of Indonesia

[glad mason]

yeah

[rain mauve]

Are you the guy from Malaysia?

[glad mason]

I'm not from Malaysia

[rain mauve]

Ohhh...

[glad mason]

I'm from Surabaya

[rain mauve]

SO YOU CAN SPEAK INDO?

[glad mason]

yeah

[rain mauve]

Lmaoo

[glad mason]

it's rare finding Indonesian people here

[rain mauve]

Yessss, kinda surprised you from Indonesia also

[glad mason]

samee

[rain mauve]

Especially planetary, LIKE literally no one get interested with planetary

[glad mason]

yeahh

the only thing they sell here is junk scopes that resembles no quality

it's either going to be very overpriced or garbage quality

[rain mauve]

True

8 inch in here it's very expensive

Mount also

[glad mason]

yea

[rain mauve]

Cost about 2k-3k dollars

[glad mason]

true

[rain mauve]

Would like to import, but it seems not worth it at all, taxes in Indonesia is crazyyy

I bought the mirror about 30 dollars from alibaba
They charge extra 27 dollar
So I have to pay extra money

Total were 57, and... Still worth it actually

But nah, I wouldnt import if the price were 200 dollars++

[glad mason]

how much is the total cost for the diy 4.5 inch scope?

[glad mason]

for real

[rain mauve]

The mount, telescope, screws nut, rods it cost me total of 220+ dollars

But not exceeding 300+ dollars

[glad mason]

nice

[rain mauve]

im flabbergasted how 4.5 inch telescope improve so much rather than my 80mm refrac

[fading plume]

Any barlow?

[rain mauve]

No

Native 900mm

I haven't buy Barlow yet

[fading plume]

Getting one will dramatically improve image quality.

[rain mauve]

Ok ok

Any suggest of Barlow?

[fading plume]

X-cel 2x would be good in your case.

[rain mauve]

Okayy thankss

[fading plume]

Celestron makes them.

[rain mauve]

1 hour jupiter rotation, i can see the europa and Io moon when im processing it, DIY hadley telescope with SV305Pro

[quick cairn]

You are a rockstar man keep it up

[rain mauve]

thank you mann, appriciate it

[rain mauve]

woah im very suprised

[glad mason]

woah nice

[rain mauve]

Mosaic Moon 6 panel Untracked

[quick cairn]

Amazing work dude!

[rain mauve]

Thank you mann

[livid sierra]

Nice work.

[silent mesa]

Can anyone give me a suggestion for a good mount for planetary. Right now I’m working with a Celestron nexstar 8se.
In the future I might upgrade to a c11. If anyone’s reading this please give me feedback.

[white prawn]

Either EQ6R-Pro or Proxisky Ragdoll 20 Pro

[elder venture]

A Ragdoll 17 suffices

Though a Ragdoll 20 would be better since the C11 would push the R17 a bit.

[white prawn]

That's .... why I suggested it. 🙂

[elder venture]

Yeah I know lol, just wanted to say that a R17 suffices if budget is tight

[white prawn]

Eh, sell your house if budget is tight.

... I did

[elder venture]

For that one must own a house

An uncommon occurrence under Astrophotographers

[white prawn]

I bought it before I got into AP, otherwise might still be in an apartment in a bit of a less ideal spot for sure.

Well the general location was actually not too bad ... just not really ideal for AP as it is in the middle of a neighborhood.

[craggy wasp]

not that bad for bad seeing untracked

[flint siren]

Astigmo

[woven kite]

sunrise over platos

i dont know what this region is called but it looks cool

[woven kite]

less green/saturated version

[rain mauve]

i did capture the plato yesterday also xD

i like the contrast

[rain mauve]

yes i did some capturing with this region, dunno what it called lmao, indeed looks cool

[woven kite]

niceee

[native plume]

hi me 20 days ago so i actually have like no idea where ina is so i just rougly pointed my scope to where it (probably) is and idk where ina is in this picture

[quick cairn]

Old data from October 5th

[silent mesa]

Does anyone know why I have strange bubbles on my images of Jupiter

[flint siren]

bubbles ?

[silent mesa]

Yeah it likes bubbles around the edges of the planet

[flint siren]

Please send a screenshot or something because this doesn't say much.

[silent mesa]

I’m not able to in this forum it dosent let me

Can I dm you?

[flint siren]

Yeah

[cursive marsh]

If you ask nicely the mods will give you perms lol

Worked for me at least

[silent mesa]

Which roles are the mods

[quick cairn]

Dust on your mirror

[silent mesa]

I got it fixed it was my autostakkert settings that caused it

[silent mesa]

Also are you a mod

[rugged knoll]

magnetar is mod, purple name color

pink is mininerd

[silent mesa]

Ok

@sharp ridge can I get permission to upload images to the forum

[rugged knoll]

thats vc mod

@coarse aspen can you give him it

@silent mesa you can send images now

[silent mesa]

Thank you

[rugged knoll]

Lower your exposure

Should be able to see details

[rugged knoll]

Yes

[quick cairn]

No

[quick cairn]

Not bad

[summer pebble]

been a while since i've had some good seeing like this

[quick cairn]

If that’s good seeing for you I feel bad haha

[quick cairn]

Lemme see final image when you do it

[summer pebble]

currently have this so far

[quick cairn]

My bad

Not bad

[quick cairn]

How long was video and what percent did you stack

[summer pebble]

Five of a 50% stack of 4min at 100fps, which then I derotated in winjupos

[quick cairn]

Gotcha, I would stack 30% of it, but 50% works good too, and try staying at 3 mins if you can. Can I see a single stack?

Or the winjupos output

[summer pebble]

Ahhh 3 min, gotcha

here's both of em

[silent mesa]

Very similar

[quick cairn]

Probably same night

What size scope

[silent mesa]

8 inch

[quick cairn]

Makes sense, mines a 10

[silent mesa]

Dob right?

[quick cairn]

Yes

[silent mesa]

Cool

[quick cairn]

Thanks

[quick cairn]

In case you didn’t, click on it, it’s an animation

[silent mesa]

Yeah I see it

How long was it

[quick cairn]

120 frames; about 2 and a half hours

[silent mesa]

Wow

[quick cairn]

is the winjupos output fresh or sharpened?

[summer pebble]

It’s coming in fresh from the sharpened stacks beforehand

[quick cairn]

Right but it’s not sharpened after the output from you

Is all I’m asking

[quick cairn]

May I see how sharpened you made them before derotation?

[summer pebble]

Oh right, give me a moment

[quick cairn]

Pixel size?

[summer pebble]

I usually leave a bit of noise for winjupos to handle, but I probably might've done too much this time

[summer pebble]

2.9

[quick cairn]

Oh no good job, a lot of people are scared of sharpening with noise but that’s the whole point derotation denoises while keeping detail

You did good

Just make sure to sharpen the stacks the same

Use a batch feature

You don’t want the stacks to be sharpened different amounts

Nice you caught Tethys as well

[summer pebble]

No worries all sharpened the same!

[summer pebble]

Ahh that's pretty nice

[quick cairn]

You got pandora and Tethys

What’s size scope

[summer pebble]

pandora?? I'm pretty sure that's too faint to have been captured

[summer pebble]

c6, and I also used
asi585mc
2x barlow
uv/ir cut filter

[quick cairn]

C6. Damn

[quick cairn]

No you got it

[quick cairn]

It’s on the right side edge

[summer pebble]

oh really, let me check

[summer pebble]

no signs of pandora, but I do see tethys

[quick cairn]

You must be inexperienced with processing Saturns rings

I’ll show you

[summer pebble]

oh definitely

[quick cairn]

Recording is hard but here

[quick cairn]

You see the brighter part of the rings where pandora would be located on the right

It’s a different brightness from the rest of the rings

It’s because the moon was behind the rings

It only appears circular when the moon is in front

Here is Tethys on the left behind the rings (my image)

[summer pebble]

I think you might be seeing dione instead, as pandora would've been in front of saturn when I captured the image

[quick cairn]

did you set the time?

tethys isn't where its supposed to be in this image

in reference to your photo

I’m 90% sure it’s pandora

[summer pebble]

North is facing down while south is up in my image if that might be causing any confusion

[quick cairn]

no

north is facing up in your image....

😅 Only the north pole has hexagonal storms visble in your photo

[summer pebble]

In this one here it’s facing down

[quick cairn]

nope

its not brudda 😅

[summer pebble]

Huh…. I need a reality check

Lemme look at this again

[quick cairn]

Not being a d, just telling the truth

[summer pebble]

Welp I’ll just leave it to the others to decide if it’s pandora or not

[quick cairn]

Sure

(it is)

[quick cairn]

@summer pebble

Titan and Hyperion line up, it’s not a bad thing man it’s really impressive you detected pandora with a 6”

[summer pebble]

Dang, I do want to believe, but I'm pretty sure the top is titan and the bottom is encleadus instead

[quick cairn]

Nope

Saturns greenish storm is on its North Pole

Look at your image

I can’t say for certain, I could be wrong. But I’d bet money on it

Ignoring the moons positions the storm up top is always north for me but

[livid sierra]

@quick cairn so confidently spreading misinformation huh. I don’t see Tethys or Prometheus? In fact I don’t even see Pandora. It’s not there.

[rain mauve]

Yesterday 8 panels mosaic Moon, it was cloudy, but ive manage to capture it

I got the first quarter also, seeing was ok

[thick heron]

I agree with Duif that Tethys, Prometherus, and Pandora aren't detectable in the Saturn image.

Can tell orientation from the greener south equatorial belt and ring shadow just north of the equator.

[ruby compass]

@flint siren u got some liveview footage?

[flint siren]

Nah i deleted it

Why ?

[ruby compass]

Bro what

Why?

[flint siren]

Too heavy and not really useful once stacked

[ruby compass]

Ah

[buoyant belfry]

jupiter thru 150mm and phone camera

[quick cairn]

If that is the case, why are there brighter bumps on the rings exactly where the moons are when you over sharpen the image but no where else on the rings? I’m not trying to confidently spread misinformation but in my mind I’m overwhelmed with evidence suggesting it to me, I have the same thing happen with my images when I sharpen them and it’s always only where the moons are at the time in Stellarium

[ruby compass]

also why are the moons so big?

[flint siren]

Thing called airy spot

[quick cairn]

An example

Shadow is above rings in both, and bulge in rings exactly where Tethys is

[quick cairn]

Look at the actual data and sharpen for yourself, Duif

[flint siren]

The bump near the planet is the diffraction spot of the globe on the rings, and for the second spot is likely that it's related to the Cassini div.

Your orientation is wrong too, the south is where you see this turquoise zone.

[quick cairn]

In his image or mine?

[flint siren]

His

[flint siren]

This one

[quick cairn]

Im pretty sure the north side is the zone

[flint siren]

Nope

[quick cairn]

Man I’m really sure I just looked it up too lol

[flint siren]

Ask any experienced planetary imager here and they'll tell the same thing.

[quick cairn]

I’m experienced but clearly confused because everywhere I’m looking says it’s north

[flint siren]

Not experienced enough it seems

[quick cairn]

Including Stellarium

[flint siren]

That's not what you should be looking.

[quick cairn]

NASA.com

[flint siren]

You know what ask tom since i know y'all believe him, whatever he could say.

This server makes me wanna give up with helping people everytime i have a debate.

[quick cairn]

It’s not about believing what people say, it’s about understanding through evidence but I’m not getting any from you so it’s hard when everywhere I look says otherwise, my own intuition says there’s something else going on

All of these show the same features of the rings shadow being below the rings while the storms above them

[flint siren]

South up

You know what once i'm on my pc i'll show you using the planet's rotation

[quick cairn]

How can that be if the greener storms are on the northern pole

[ruby compass]

@flint siren is this overprocessed?

[quick cairn]

The rings just now recently switched shadow sides because we are now past the rings orientation flip

[ruby compass]

still south side up

[quick cairn]

I never said the poles flipped

[ruby compass]

what are yall arguing abt than?

[quick cairn]

But confusion will acquire because of the direction of the shadow

[quick cairn]

I’m not really arguing just debating

[ruby compass]

debating what?

[ruby compass]

also do you think my jupiter is overprocessed?

[quick cairn]

No

It sits in its axis at 26.7 degrees

[flint siren]

Yes

[ruby compass]

it is?

[quick cairn]

Processing is subjective anyways

[flint siren]

Subjective or not, that's cooked

[quick cairn]

Oh I agree

But you have to choose between more details are more noise vs less noise and less details

It’s up to you to decide

[flint siren]

Cooked = past diffraction limit

You wont have more details

[quick cairn]

My more recent Jupiter attempts

[quick cairn]

Btw yoships, what brand of IR luminance did you use for Uranus rings?

[flint siren]

IR720 & 850

Ts optics and ZWO

[quick cairn]

And you combined data from those?

[flint siren]

Nah

[quick cairn]

So wdym both

[flint siren]

I had the rings with both

[quick cairn]

Which do you recommend?

[buoyant belfry]

Luna 🌓

[rain mauve]

ive got saturn with titan

4.5 inch diy hadley telescope, bad seeing since its covered with thin clouds and high polution from my city and its kinda low, like 20 degree

captured just now

[buoyant belfry]

DAMN i captured saturn today too and i JUST noticed it right above the ring i didnt know until i saw ur msg

[quick cairn]

Awesome work yall

I need to get out there and image Saturn again soon it’s been a month

[buoyant belfry]

better visible

[quick cairn]

Are plane waves good for planetary?

I have access to one

[elder venture]

planewave isnt a valid telescope type lol

its like saying "is skywatcher good for planetary?"

[silent mesa]

Is this derotation tuff

[quick cairn]

Planewave 17”

I don’t know the F

Off the top of my head

I’m just trying to decide what to do my main planetary on

[elder venture]

iirc theres only one planewave which is 17'' lucky you

its a CDK17, so a Corrected Dall-Kirkham

its worth trying

[quick cairn]

8” refractor, with 3900mm fl, 16” F/3.7, or a 24” F/5

And the planewave 17”

[elder venture]

honestly all of them are worth trying

just choose the one that works best for you

[quick cairn]

Cool. I mean I know for a fact the 24” has the best chances of seeing is perfect. But seeing us never perfect, the nights that a 24 inch will do better than a 16 inch is a few nights a year

Or I’ve been told

[elder venture]

at same magnification a 24'' will perform just as well as 16'' or better.

[flint siren]

See the way the planet rotates ? @quick cairn

->, so the planet is north up. The blue pole is the south.

What i was saying before is that NASA.com ain't gonna tell you much since we can't even see an hexagon.

I was going crazy on you saying "it’s about understanding through evidence" because you weren't going through evidence there.

You can in addition look at the ephemeris for the day from which the timelapse above is coming.

[quick cairn]

Ah I see. I was wrong. I apologize if I was frustrating you with wanting evidence however, in my mind, it was take my word for it versus research. I’ll admit im still confused on why there are defraction spots in my data where the moons are always, but perhaps someone can give me an explanation at some point

[flint siren]

For the example above of Tethys right beside Saturn, it's just Saturn's diffraction spot on its rings making that dot. For the rest, not sure. Maybe if you were not aligning your WJ measurement correctly, based on your misconception, WJ could 'create' those spots due to the moon correction feature.

[flint siren]

This is Tethys though, here the orientation is correct.

[quick cairn]

Oh. Okay so I made the assumption that his data was working the same way mine was.

[flint siren]

This is not Tethys though, because first it is not correctly orientated, and second because this is due to the diffraction of the globe itself.

[quick cairn]

I see

[quick cairn]

This was on a single stack of his, I didn’t touch the winjupos file

Very confusing for me

[quick cairn]

So as it stands, how do you tell what’s north and south? Just from a photo not when imaging

[flint siren]

Ring shadow and bands

1 is clearly due to diffraction, the second i'm not sure.

I'd say a moon for the 2nd, but i'd need the exact UTC time for that.

[quick cairn]

Let’s see then, @summer pebble

[quick cairn]

Can you tell me the orientation so I know

[flint siren]

Of what ?

Just remember that blue pole is south.

[quick cairn]

But they are on both sides

[quick cairn]

Wait that’s what I thought though

[quick cairn]

So this is north

[flint siren]

South up this is

[quick cairn]

So this is south rn

[summer pebble]

Ah, gotcha

[elder venture]

yes, the shadow is over the rings right now

since reflectors flip images and rotation is a thing it gets mixed up a lot

[summer pebble]

The UTC time will be 02:26:32

[flint siren]

on the ?

[summer pebble]

30th

[flint siren]

of what month ?

[summer pebble]

this month, taken just last night

[flint siren]

Well that's Tethys then, on the Cassini div.

[quick cairn]

Okay cool.

That’s more believable for me too

Tethys is a lot bigger than pandora

[flint siren]

Yeah ain't no way one of us detects Pandora in the rings.

[summer pebble]

nice, that's better to hear

[quick cairn]

Hey man Tethys with a 6” is really good

[summer pebble]

no biggie, the best I can get with this procedure is something as faint as triton

[quick cairn]

I’m sure I can get Tritan with my 10” but I’ve never tried

I saw Tritan through a 24” and 13mm eye pieces though

[flint siren]

Yeah it usually shows up in Neptune stacks when you nuke them a bit.

Especially if you do R+IR.

[summer pebble]

Yep, exactly that right there

[craggy wasp]

managed to get titan untracked

[quick cairn]

Awesome man

[quick cairn]

Will the encke gap be visable with 16" a year from now?

[elder venture]

Don’t have a 16“ so I don’t know lol

Take a look at toms‘ pictures of Saturn from a year ago today

Should still be with his 16“

Gives you a nice view of what that aperture does lol

[quick cairn]

one of my end goals is to resolve encke gap

[thick heron]

2023 would be more similar.

The fun thing about Encke is that it could be it, or could be an edge rind.

[quick cairn]

Very interesting

[quick cairn]

Have you resolved it?

[thick heron]

It's far too small to resolve with an amateur scope, about the same angular width as Betelgeuse. It's possible to detect things smaller with enough contrast, as we know from being able to see stars without resolving them.

I think it's reasonable to say this is a positive detection.

[quick cairn]

100% agree. That’s insane

I meant detect then haha

[ruby compass]

what am i looking for?

[quick cairn]

The gap in the rings on the very edge

The encke gap

[terse night]

That's an interesting comparison, never heard it put that way.

[teal sandal]

Angular width of Betelgeuse, like its actual disc?

[somber stratus]

pretty sure if it were edge rind it would be visible across most of the circumference of the rings.

So it's fairly easy to tell.

[somber stratus]

yeah

Deimos is smaller than Betelgeuse is angularly too.

[shell epoch]

Here's Polaris if you're curious

[teal sandal]

Damn!

[teal sandal]

Who took that picture?

[somber stratus]

2023 is closer as Ethan says

that's w/ the 16"

[elder venture]

Pretty damn insane

[shell epoch]

It was taken by the CHARA array

About a year ago

[teal sandal]

Woah

This is so cool

The disc of another star

[shell epoch]

Yea

Did you know that Polaris is part of a triple star system?

[elder venture]

Yep

Did you know that Mizar and Alcor are part of a sextuplet star system?

Mizar A, Mizar B and Alcor all are double stars

[quick cairn]

In these conditions I’m hoping to get some open up from clouds when Jupiter is high, I don’t expect to get crazy good photos but I want to get an idea of the 16” f/10, and 8” f/15

The 24” goto is down..

And they could and probably will change (the forecast)

This was a few days ago

[ruby compass]

Yup

Polaris A and B

AB ofc not visible

[shell epoch]

What scope?

[main flume]

i got ab at some point im pretty sure

[quick cairn]

@flint siren @elder venture what will do better for Jupiter, F/15 8” refractor, or F/10 16” reflector

Cassigran

I’m trying to decide which to film with when it’s at zenith

2 min stack on 8"

[ruby compass]

No you didnt. Hubble bearly can

[woven kite]

i got a and b but not ab

[elder venture]

Generally cassegrain imo, I don’t know the optical quality of the refractor but you can try either

[thick heron]

Aperture wins.

[quick cairn]

Seeing must have gotten worse

This was just 2 min stack at 33% and wavelets on 8”, using 16” rn but having trouble with good sampling

[somber stratus]

very brief spell of reasonable seeing this morning

[quick cairn]

Do you just sit out there watching the live view until it gets really well or was this more of by chance?

Also is your 24” an F/5?

[quick cairn]

Last night the refractor cooked the 16”, but the primary mirror is pretty dirty, and I think colomation was slightly off, on top of that seeing was worse than with refractor so can’t judge, but I was having trouble focusing it’s F/10 and focusing was pretty weird

[ruby compass]

W bro

[quick cairn]

through the 8"

[somber stratus]

I record constantly. This is just the best stack.

[somber stratus]

f/4.5

[quick cairn]

How much storage do you have oh my haha

2 mins takes about 5.5gb for me

[quick cairn]

Okay, so how do you figure out what the best set of time was?

[elder venture]

joining the club with planetary images soon

looking to get a Meade 8'' SCT soon aswell

[quick cairn]

Awesome

[ruby compass]

quite cool comperison (data is only 2min apart)

[candid flare]

how do you get rid of the banding?

the raw images dont have any banding

[rugged knoll]

no idea so im just going to reccomend astrosurface

autostakkert has almost always given me issues, astrosurface has never

[candid flare]

found the issue

AS is correcting the vertical noise and it does that

[low oar]

The cold moon, the last full moon of the year

[main flume]

as worse for stacking than as! for me

[rain mauve]

europa transit at europa

It was pretty bad seeing cuz clouds everywhere._.

[quick cairn]

Awesome man

You are doing really well

[rain mauve]

Thankk youu so much man