Planetary Imaging

[livid sierra]

Turn off mono

[low tendon]

how

[livid sierra]

Colour > auto

[white prawn]

@low tendon

[low tendon]

is that in pipp? pipp turned it mono

[livid sierra]

Nvm then

[low tendon]

pipp said smth abt mono

[livid sierra]

Is there anything it says when it gets stuck at 8% or does AS!4 just crash or what?

What do you mean it gets stuck

Do you see it get stuck at 8% for 2 seconds and decide it froze and close the program?

[low tendon]

the loading bar doesnt progress

[livid sierra]

For how long

[low tendon]

2 hours

[livid sierra]

Does the software itself still respond

[low tendon]

ye

[livid sierra]

And you’ve tried stacking in Astrosurface?

[left spindle]

he has field rotation

alt az 😭

[low tendon]

field rotation

[white prawn]

How long are the videos that you see field rotation? Would 90s show it?

[low tendon]

its in total 5min worth of40 sec vids stiched togheter

[white prawn]

So stack each 40s vid separately?

[low tendon]

i meaan 10 sec vids oops

[low tendon]

and then?

[white prawn]

Are you trying to rotate?

[low tendon]

im trying to stack a lot off data to get a really sharp shot

[left spindle]

thats not how it works

[low tendon]

?

[left spindle]

we gotta stack only the good frames to get a sharper pic

[white prawn]

Stack each vid separately, toss it into WinJUPOS, see what happens.

However, with Alt-AZ you might wind up having to just make a gif that shows the planetary/field rotation

[low tendon]

ik bbut mmore data has MORE good frames bro

[left spindle]

WinJupose has moon derot?

[white prawn]

If you have field rotation the angle of view moves.

[left spindle]

i see

[white prawn]

I've heard of people using it for other planets.

[low tendon]

not moon tho

[left spindle]

it can do other planets dont know abt moon

[white prawn]

@low tendon @left spindle I see a moon opt in the menu

[left spindle]

oh

has to work then

[low tendon]

this is 25% stack of 10 sec so imagine 25% stack of 5minn video

[low tendon]

ok but i donnt want no gif

[white prawn]

THAT. LOOKS. PROMISING.

[low tendon]

seeing was good

could be better

[white prawn]

I haven't rotated with WinJUPOS. I did my rotation by making a bunch of tif images then making them into a gif with Gimp.

[low tendon]

ye but i dont want a gif

WAITTTT WHAT?!!?!!? THE INDIVIDUAL VIDEOS ARENT GLLITCHED WTF PIPP CAUSED THAT

[white prawn]

I started w/ a gif then did an avi.

Also note - I handled that in the way that I knew how to do it and learned along the way and would still have to bring up the tutorial to do it again. If there's a different way to do a rotation that yields the type of file you want at the end, I'm not aware of it, and that doesn't mean that it isn't out there, it just means that I do have less experience making rotation files than others.

🙂

[low tendon]

FCKING PIPP DDID THAT

https://tenor.com/view/sack-boy-shocked-turn-gif-6205091617477847398

[left spindle]

u didnt choose planetary right?

[low tendon]

i did

no

[left spindle]

DUDE

[low tendon]

i chose close up moon

[left spindle]

huh?

[low tendon]

nvm i didnt'

[left spindle]

phew

[low tendon]

thhats not pphew that means we dont know the probleem

[left spindle]

dont choose close up moon it converts colour to mono

choose nothing then process it through

[low tendon]

ok

[left spindle]

that should fix it

[low tendon]

so i can turn the gif into a pic?

[white prawn]

Or you can take the individual stacked files send them through WinJUPOS for a pic instead of doing a rotation video

Short answer, yes

[low tendon]

oh ok but i will need some guidance on how to do that

which is easier?

[low tendon]

also do u reckon i can get blue lake wwith that resolution?

[white prawn]

Probably WinJUPOS. @vapid depot sent a link at one point with step-by-step how to do a derotation using that software. I will have to find it later.

[left spindle]

100%

[low tendon]

yay

[left spindle]

i barely got it with lesser resolution

[low tendon]

ok ima start stacking

[white prawn]

on my mobile so hard to judge from my angle. @left spindle is probably right though, based on what I saw when I was sitting in front of the computer screen.

Sigh. Real life chores call again.

[low tendon]

cya

[low tendon]

wait a min

for for winjupos i sharpen before, right?????

[left spindle]

i dont think you need that for moon tho

[low tendon]

i also got mars data with same seeing at zenith so its gonna be CRISPPPPP

AND JUPI

[white prawn]

Yes. When I did my de rotated Jupiter image I sharpened not all the way before I sent it through WinJUPOS Just enough so that boundaries could be seen. After WinJUPOS gave me an image, I did a final sharpening.

[left spindle]

nice

[low tendon]

ima stack mars now

[left spindle]

okay

[low tendon]

how much data until rotation is a problemmon mars?

7min?

10 minutes?

[left spindle]

yeah should be abt 5-7

[low tendon]

oh ok

[left spindle]

same as earth

[low tendon]

WTF MY MARS DATA IS GONE

[left spindle]

😱

[low tendon]

NVM PHEW

[left spindle]

phew

[low tendon]

its in the same folder as my jupi data

idkk y

[left spindle]

gtg sleep byeee

[low tendon]

gn

[livid sierra]

Doubt WJ will work

Don’t think it will work for lunar closeups

Wouldn’t know how at least

[low tendon]

my mars stack is quite pixelated but when i drizzle the stacking freezes

it stops stacking

[white prawn]

Found the clip. Mind confirming that you don't mind if I send in a DM? Just being extra sure that sharing it won't violate rules. Thanks!

[low tendon]

y would i not wwant u to send it to my dms? send it ofc

[low tendon]

should i drizzle?

[left spindle]

Same. Still havnt seen a soln arpund that. I think its a ram thing (mine's also 16gigs)

[white prawn]

I wouldn't. I usually don't. I haven't since I moved from DSLR to astro cam.

[low tendon]

what went wrong?

is it the field rotation?

[livid sierra]

No this looks more like tiny APs and the moon moving through the fov too much

[olive saddle]

you got bismuth crystals growing on your camera sensor

[rugged knoll]

free food

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cranch-meow-cute-gif-17368992236901678436

[main flume]

cromch :3

[rugged knoll]

i love eating bismuth crystals....,,,

[main flume]

real ^~^

[cunning lily]

ur profile says you use a non motorized eq3

how do u do untracked DSO at such focal legnth

with such detail

[main flume]

sillies :3

bortle 4 skies

[cunning lily]

add motors to it

nema 17

[main flume]

and 0.3s exposure

[main flume]

im going to get onstep

[cunning lily]

yes

[main flume]

like next year

[cunning lily]

so nema

good

[main flume]

bc no money

[cunning lily]

its not that expensive

if you get it all yourself instead of those dumb kits its super cheap

[main flume]

I HAVE 50P TO MY NAME

[cunning lily]

the motors are like 10 bucks each and the gears and belts are like 10 bucks in total

[cunning lily]

dawg

get job

[main flume]

£0.50

[main flume]

no

lazy

[cunning lily]

allowance?

[main flume]

none

dont get one

[cunning lily]

oh alr

[left spindle]

thats the best mercury i have seen tbh

[umbral kestrel]

its a hard target

[left spindle]

yeah really hard

[low tendon]

yo can u help me out

[cunning lily]

what u need

[low tendon]

is this too much movement?

[cunning lily]

idk looks fine

you won't get a good stack on the edges

idek if it stacks the parts that goes away

I'm not a planetary dude

[low tendon]

i will crop

[cunning lily]

yes

that is really sharp btw

[low tendon]

this is what happens when i stack it tho

[cunning lily]

damn did u allign it

you need to get the app to allign it so nothing is drifting

[low tendon]

what app

[cunning lily]

well AstroSurface does everything

but i like to use PIPP

[cunning lily]

its all in one

you would probably want that one

[low tendon]

wwhen i try to allignn in pipp it removes aall but one frame💀

gives me a 0 second vid

1 piic

[low tendon]

i also have field rotation tho

its not much but its there

[low tendon]

broooooooooooooooo

???

[livid sierra]

@low tendon increase your AP size a lot first of all

You used way too tiny a size

Second, when you press analyse, does it actually find an anchor?

Or does it fail

[low tendon]

i used 400 annd still same thing

[cunning lily]

you would probably want to try astrosurface

[low tendon]

yes but i have field rotattion

how do i solve it

[cunning lily]

alr

idk

[low tendon]

it does

[low tendon]

am i doins smth wrong? Stacking worked when i stacked a single 10 sec viid

[low tendon]

wait did it fail??

[livid sierra]

Yeah

That’s the problem probably

If you scroll through the frames after analysing and it failing to find an anchor you’ll probably see the frames jumping all over the frames

[low tendon]

there are some few yes

[low tendon]

how can ii solve tthis???

[livid sierra]

In AS!4 there’s a feature that when enabled has AS!4 look for an anchor point itself, which works well sometimes

Otherwise keep trying to place an anchor in different spots and analysing until it works

You can adjust the anchor point’s size with the number keys

Place it on a contrasty spot that’s easily distinguishable from the rest

[low tendon]

wait a minute..im using AS!3

uhhh

[livid sierra]

Download AS!4

[low tendon]

yes just did

[livid sierra]

Do the thing

[low tendon]

still same thing, i let the program choose an anchor still fail

[livid sierra]

You can try having PIPP stabilise the video perhaps

[low tendon]

pipp doesnt work either or im doing it wrong, i dont get it tho, why does this not want to stack?

[low tendon]

it removes all frames exept one lol

[fading plume]

Try astrosurface

[low tendon]

ok but how do i solve my field rotation

[fading plume]

Record for less time, moon is bright. Don’t need much time

[low tendon]

ye but dont u need more time for a sharper pic?

[fading plume]

Sure but not to the point you can’t stack it

[low tendon]

ok

[low tendon]

i managed to stack 2 of the vids toghether

idk how to process it tho

here it is if someone wants too process it as i learn to process moon pics

[left spindle]

Use astrosurface

Wait

Is it the same data?

[low tendon]

Wdym

[left spindle]

we discussed abt it (the field rotation issue)

[low tendon]

I only stacked 2 of the 10+ vids bc of field rotation

[left spindle]

oh

[low tendon]

That data is the 2 vids, ik it has some issues but I just crop them out

[left spindle]

okay great

[teal sandal]

tried combining all of my mars data...

does anybody know how to get rid of these joints?

like to align the surface brightness

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873888728848936960/1340292036175069214/2024-09-16-1827_4-01_48_56_pipp_AS_P10_lapl6_ap11_wavelet_pipp.gif

they're all kinda different

[low tendon]

yo bro

[low tendon]

do u drrizzle your mars pics?

[teal sandal]

Yo

Nope

[low tendon]

oh my mars is quite pixelated and when ii try to stack it with 3x or even 1.5x drizzle it crashes, can u pls try to stack it with drizzle?

[teal sandal]

I’m not home right now but I can try stacking when I get back

Slide me the data

[low tendon]

ok thx

[low tendon]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wtfdI8ZlVOJtobA8GmB-u3kQN4F4iwPI/view?usp=sharing

[teal sandal]

I recommend .ser format over avi

Nothing to do with pixelating, just for future

[low tendon]

ok

[low tendon]

are u gonna drizzle it now?

[teal sandal]

Not here

[low tendon]

oh

[teal sandal]

@low tendon

stacking with drizzle 1.5x

40%

of best frames

or what percentage should i pick?

[low tendon]

2 or 5

[teal sandal]

2%?

[low tendon]

analyse and u will see y

[teal sandal]

oh

yeah i se

ill try 10 and 5

thats some bad seeing

did you thermostab?

[low tendon]

it wasnt bad isk y its like that

[low tendon]

moon same night look

[teal sandal]

oh damn

you got unlucky with mars

[low tendon]

yh

[low tendon]

???

[teal sandal]

thermal stabilisation

[low tendon]

wut

[teal sandal]

so your optics would be the same temperature as outside

not room temp

[low tendon]

ohhhh thats y it looks like shit and so does venus

[teal sandal]

if u have a dob it should thermostab quickly

[low tendon]

i do

caps lock oops

[teal sandal]

i have a mak cass so i have to leave it for a few hrs preferably because of closed tube

[teal sandal]

this is drizzle 1.5x

10%

ill try 5% now and send you both stacks

[low tendon]

hmm do u think 3x would be worth it or nah

too much?

[teal sandal]

hmm lemme try

idk why but drizzle 3x has some weird artefacts

1.5 x has some of them too but not much

[low tendon]

dammit

[teal sandal]

here is 10% stack anyway

with 1.5x

you can try stacking in astrosurface

[low tendon]

ccan u plss do 5

%

[low tendon]

thank u so much

[low tendon]

does thermosteb make pics shharper?

[teal sandal]

Yes, sometimes optics become pinched because of temperature difference

happened to me

jupiter without thermostab

jupiter with optics at perfect temperature

[low tendon]

mine looks alr

[teal sandal]

but in my case i might actually be out of collimation at 1st image

[teal sandal]

i have a mak cass so its rly important for me to leave the scope for a few hours before imaging

it thermostabs slowly

[teal sandal]

did you do 3min captures?

[low tendon]

before i took the mars pic my scope was left outside for 2 hours and i got a dob sonot the problem

[teal sandal]

oh its not the problem then

[low tendon]

seeing was fire tho

[teal sandal]

where r u from?

[elder venture]

Do yall think a DSLR is acceptable for planets?

[low tendon]

greece

[teal sandal]

it can change

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794651916646350859/1320111394103885914/Jupiter_Rotation_21.12.24.gif

[low tendon]

also mars was at zenith

[low tendon]

prob unlucky

[teal sandal]

yeah atmosphere is unpredictable

[low tendon]

best process of my mars without drizzle wasnt that bad

nvm it was

[teal sandal]

can i try processing

👉 👈

[low tendon]

thatt would be great, wannna also process my sharp moon?

[teal sandal]

sure!

its cloudy anyways haha

[low tendon]

here is my completely raw moon, colour is shit and a lot off artifacts so needs crop

[teal sandal]

thanks, ill try processing it

[low tendon]

thank you

[low tendon]

did u like my data?

[low tendon]

i got the blue lake with my 6' dob

[elder venture]

PIPP website is down (at least in germany) can someone preprocess this for me?

[livid sierra]

PIPP website has been down for years

https://www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography/s/UY78uyHZf6

Also preprocessing is a very broad term no one knows what you want to be done to your data in PIPP by asking to “preprocess” it lol

[elder venture]

never done planetary before lol

huh

[cunning lily]

i get those too

[cunning lily]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230531163522/https://sites.google.com/site/astropipp/downloads

oh nvm looks like someones already got you a link

[summer pebble]

is this edge rind on venus?

[hasty hull]

Yep

[summer pebble]

gosh darn...

is there anything i can do about it other than using post processing techniques

using just 6 inches is all i've got

[teal sandal]

Check your collimation, I’ve had a similar problem because thermal stabilisation caused my optics to be miss collimated

[low tendon]

did u try my mars data?

[teal sandal]

i was busy, ill have some free time today

Have to capture my own Mars data heheheg

[low tendon]

nice

[rain mauve]

What is drizzle anyway?

And how to do it

[left spindle]

a very complex algorithm developedby nasa to improvetheir images. It works best on undersampled (pixelated) images.

autostakkert, siril, dss they have drizzle option

it demands a powerfull pc

[rain mauve]

I see

[rain mauve]

I need it

Wait

I'll try

[rain mauve]

is it normal drizzle took this long?

nvm it got stuck

[teal sandal]

im not collimated am i

[sleek shore]

Pinched optics

I think

Ur collimated

But ur at the limit of ur scope

[main flume]

LOOSEN THE CLIPS

[sleek shore]

With the barlow

[main flume]

YOU'RE STRANgLING IT

[livid sierra]

Pinched optics

[teal sandal]

Still got a nice pic

[teal sandal]

Could it be because of temperatures of -10°C

I’ve thermally stabilised the scope for 1-2h but still

[livid sierra]

Still won’t hurt to loosen the mirror clips

[teal sandal]

On a mak 🤔

[livid sierra]

If anything the scope being cool should lessen the pinching though, no? Mirror shrinks when it’s cold

[teal sandal]

Might be the corrector plate screwed too tight

[livid sierra]

Didn’t know, no idea how you solve pinched optics on a Mak

[teal sandal]

Still thank you for helping

I won’t touch the scope and when the spring comes and it’ll be warmer I’ll check again

[teal sandal]

Haven’t managed to get a sharp Saturn

[white prawn]

Here, borrow mine

[umbral kestrel]

I don’t mind he can borrow mine too

[rain mauve]

What can i improve with this jupiter picture?

[teal sandal]

what is the best filter to pair with w47 to shoot venus clouds?

UV IR cut cuts off some uv and i dont like it

[teal sandal]

maybe bg39 would work

or luminance

[teal sandal]

ill be trying to image mercury, what are some useful tips for that? seems like a unique target

like should i use a 2x barlow or should i run at native f12

[lyric dome]

Eroupa and Io last night, first time imaging in a month

[lyric dome]

It’s incredibly small and close to the sun, you will struggle, what’s your focal length?

[teal sandal]

1500 m native fl

I know I will struggle, I like challenges

[lyric dome]

1500 you can probably make out a dot

[white prawn]

Do you have a Barlow lens on your setup?

[lyric dome]

No

I mean I do have one but don’t use it

[white prawn]

So that's native focal length image?

[lyric dome]

Native as in normal for my scope

Yeah

[white prawn]

I wonder if something is wonky with the optics to get the color effect on Jupiter that you're having. I helped @near quiver with a similar problem involving his Jupiter images. He switched out the Barlow lens and the color wound up being fine.

[lyric dome]

Not sure, I do use rbg balance

Want the image without it?

[white prawn]

Sure.

[lyric dome]

this is fresh stack

[white prawn]

Yeah, something's wonky with the color somewhere. 😕

[lyric dome]

😭

@white prawn I don’t get it, I even bought an IR cut filter

And it doesn’t seem to rly do much

Could it be my telescopes lenses?

[white prawn]

Do you have a different camera to try? If that was an astro cam, can you try DSLR?

[compact bough]

I stacked/processed video of venus what do you guys think?

[woven tundra]

Looks sharp

[compact bough]

Thank you bro

[main flume]

banan

[woven tundra]

A

[umbral kestrel]

Colimation looks a little off

Not as sharp as it could be

[misty glen]

My first recent pic of Venus

[compact bough]

It was so low near the horizon I could even see the turbulence

[umbral kestrel]

Preferably you’d want to shoot it during the early sunset

So it’s higher

[lyric dome]

Depends where you are

But you want whatever your shooting straight up

[umbral kestrel]

Wouldn’t help to much

Seeing is terrible during the day

[lyric dome]

Uh. Yes it would

No I mean

[umbral kestrel]

Daytime seeing is worse then regular seeing

[lyric dome]

You misunderstand

You said early sunset

[umbral kestrel]

Yes

[lyric dome]

But depending on where you live on earth, early sunset can have different orientation for planets

For me, Jupiter is highest 1 hour after sundown

So what I was saying is

It depends where you live

But you want to be straight up

Best seeing

Looking through the least air

[umbral kestrel]

This is Venus at about 20 degrees above horizon

For my case daytime seeing is for the most part impossible

[lyric dome]

What’s your scope?

[umbral kestrel]

Manual 8” dob

[somber stratus]

Optimal for Venus is about 30 mins before sunset in my experience

Sun at 10 degrees or so

Convection stops by this point but Venus is high up.

[digital steppe]

Good to know

[lyric dome]

Yes I meant Jupiter haha, also, hi god of the planets, I bow down to you 🙏🏻

[lyric dome]

Took this with only 1800 frames in my friends yard

Not super amazing was messing around computer was at 3%

This probably my best tbh

[umbral kestrel]

Bruh

[lyric dome]

Bro, Tom is best in the world

[umbral kestrel]

Not the best

One of the best

[lyric dome]

I mean

[umbral kestrel]

Don’t get me wrong he’s really good

But saying he’s the best

Is a stretch

[lyric dome]

He’s top 3 planetary

[umbral kestrel]

Top 5 imo

[lyric dome]

Eh

I haven’t seen a better iss from an ammeter without a university’s equipment

[umbral kestrel]

He basically has a university’s equipment

[lyric dome]

Not really

He made it all himself

And he’s not affiliated

[umbral kestrel]

Not many universities have a 24”

[lyric dome]

Indeed

[umbral kestrel]

Especially in my country

[lyric dome]

Welp

[umbral kestrel]

The largest telescope in my country is older then Hubble

[lyric dome]

I’m very interested who else is better

I want to look

You have names?

[umbral kestrel]

Damian peach

I’d say he’s the no.1

[lyric dome]

Ehhh

[lyric dome]

I disagree

Deff not #1

[umbral kestrel]

It’s personal opinion

[lyric dome]

I respect that

[umbral kestrel]

Compared to Tom

[lyric dome]

I think you are somewhat biased

Which is okay

[umbral kestrel]

How …it’s better?

[lyric dome]

It’s hard to compare photos from different times and different locations

And I don’t think that is Tom’s best Saturn

[umbral kestrel]

@somber stratus do you want to add some input ?

[lyric dome]

I doubt he’ll speak

Also

[lyric dome]

Tom’s photo was taken 2 years after this one was, so your comparing 2 very different Saturn positions

Making it seem like it’s a lot better

[late spoke]

I agree

The position definetly matters

[lyric dome]

Yeah

[somber stratus]

I don’t really think there’s one single metric that can determine if someone’s “number 1” tbh. Like I’m better at some areas than others, same with Damian. That being said It’s definitely not a fair comparison here, given all of these were taken in Barbados and Mars was much closer and therefore larger during the 2016 opposition.

[lyric dome]

I agree.

Love your work man

I’m probably biased too tbh

[somber stratus]

Also Damian is known to use topaz here and there so it’s not a fair playing field on the processing side either one could argue, even if it might look less natural. Sharpness again isn’t the only metric arguably.

[lyric dome]

How to color correct on astrosurface?

[wispy pagoda]

W balance and put the roi around the planet

[lyric dome]

Alright it

[lyric dome]

I can’t figure out why my color is so off

Why is it pink!

[hasty hull]

Do you use a uv/ir cut filter

Also what scope

[lyric dome]

I do

and its a Celestron Starsense 80AZ, 900mm, f11, no barlow, asi715mc zwo

[hasty hull]

I have a feeling it’s because of it being one of those achro refractors

[lyric dome]

i agree

[white prawn]

Honestly it shouldn't do that "just because" it's a refractor. Though if it does then I guess it's on par w/ Celestron's cheap stuff being complete junk worthless garbage.

[lyric dome]

Yep

[teal sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310643432670105620/1343680948276953098/2025-02-24-1650_1-19_49_34_pipp_AS_P70_lapl6_ap83_s_pipp-4x-RIFE-RIFE4.0-40fps.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873888728848936960/1343688762718162984/16.09.24_pipp-5x-RIFE-RIFE4.0-50fps.gif?ex=67be2f2d&is=67bcddad&hm=b540dfda10f80056d429dfea310b6fe8460a3b0579667bd7672df916ae4e5e37&

[olive saddle]

Jupiter gettin' groovy wit it

[summer pebble]

Would anyone care to remove this nasty edge rind from mars? I've attached the final image along with the data should different techniques be used for both

I am also unfamiliar with the derind tool in wavesharp

[teal sandal]

Damn Jupiter was so weird in 2010

I wonder what the clouds will be like next year

[umbral kestrel]

Yeah that actually looks sick

[terse night]

I can try to run a Gaussian blur in Photoshop, you'll have to wait some time cause I'm in university rn

[olive saddle]

Woah, had no idea Jupiter looked like that in 2010, I wonder what other strange atmospheric phases it's gone through without being photographed or observed.

[late spoke]

Weird wtf

Lmao

[wispy pagoda]

Wow almost looks like if it was ai generated

[vestal root]

bro this forum has 30k msgs

[late spoke]

Lol

Normal

[kindred imp]

which scope and camera do you have?

[lyric dome]

Celestron Starsense 80AZ 💀

Terrible

[woven tundra]

Looks ugly lol

[kindred imp]

is its diameter 80mm?

[lyric dome]

yes

its a refractor

🐶 💩

[kindred imp]

relatively good resolution though

[lyric dome]

anywho who would like, can give this a process its 33% of my mars fresh stack, pretty good data for a 3" manual frac imo

[lyric dome]

@fathom oak can you try? i dont mind some grain if the detail is enhanced well

[fathom oak]

yeah I'll give it a shot

[white prawn]

Wait, that was with a 3" frac?

[fathom oak]

@lyric dome this is all I could do sorry

you did get some detail tho

[lyric dome]

Thanks

[lyric dome]

Yeah

[low tendon]

grs looked way bigger then

[teal sandal]

an eclipse and grs visibl

👀

[lyric dome]

Is this yours??!??

[fathom oak]

that's stellarium lol

[lyric dome]

Oh pfff

Looks different than mine lmao

[lyric dome]

It’s not possible to find Jupiter mid day right

Without tracking

[fathom oak]

mine looks like that

[lyric dome]

Weird

I meant the red lines around it

[fathom oak]

shouldn't be too hard

[fathom oak]

those appear when you click on the planet and track it

[lyric dome]

Ohhh

[lyric dome]

Zero gain?

[fathom oak]

idk you gotta figure it out in the live view what looks best

[somber stratus]

got the start of it

but seeing went poor and rain showers forecast so I packed up

[lyric dome]

You are on another world @somber stratus

[lyric dome]

What does raw video look like for you? I saw some of your Instagram but how much processing is really done?

[teal sandal]

Nice

The seeing was bad for me too but I managed to get 20 mins before it got too close to a building and seeing worsened

[somber stratus]

Usually no processing. IG tends to compress it though

[lyric dome]

That’s incredible man

Yes it does

Same for mine

[somber stratus]

One sec, I'll grab a vid

[fathom oak]

no wavelets or anything?

[teal sandal]

Let’s see if I can resolve io with my 5 inch scope

[somber stratus]

the raw videos

[lyric dome]

I’m sure you can, I can with 3 inch

[somber stratus]

IR610

[fathom oak]

but the final image is processed?

[somber stratus]

of course

[teal sandal]

Need me a dob 24 lol

Fits in my backyard perfectly

[lyric dome]

Honestly incredible

[fathom oak]

oh ok lol sorry I wasn't understanding for a second

[teal sandal]

That’s some crystal seeing btw

[somber stratus]

I'll process tonight's best vid

[somber stratus]

yeah was quite good. maybe 8/10 on that IR

RGB

[lyric dome]

His raw looks same as my best ever final image 🤣

[teal sandal]

I had 10/10 seeing like once in my life lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794651916646350859/1320111394103885914/Jupiter_Rotation_21.12.24.gif

[lyric dome]

That’s incredible

[fathom oak]

my best ever seeing:

[rugged knoll]

im still waiting for that time

[teal sandal]

Now I’ll process 20 1 minute videos

💀

It’ll take forever

lol

[rugged knoll]

it looks much better than mine🔥

[rugged knoll]

this too

[lyric dome]

Hey Tom, you are the planetary expert, why would my Jupiter come out pink, it never comes out with orange or it’s real colors, I suspect it’s my cheap lenses it’s a Celestron astrosense80mm manual refractor, but what do you think? My camera is an asi715mc and I have an ir uv cut filter

[somber stratus]

Tonight.

[lyric dome]

Insane

[somber stratus]

Probably the closest to 10/10 I've had. "Old" 16-inch scope with Jupiter at 40 arcseconds.

[teal sandal]

This photo has a sad story cuz I’ve lost some data and all I have is a badly processed derorated image as well as this animation

[lyric dome]

100x better than mine haha, what do you use?

[teal sandal]

You mean my equipment?

[teal sandal]

Yeah that’s really good seeing, I think there are even surface details on the moon present in live view

[somber stratus]

That's Io so not much surface details to be seen but Ganymede would have some for sure, if it were in frame

[teal sandal]

by the way have you tried doing animations of change in cloud structure? I think this would be really interesting to see it in detail

[somber stratus]

Probably the best vid of the moons I have. Again 16".

[somber stratus]

Once, a long time ago. I don't have enough consistency in clear skies to do anything prolonged

Might get two images then it'll go stormy for a few weeks

[fathom oak]

I'm lucky if I even see the moons in the live view at all lol

[teal sandal]

understandable, I only got 5 captures in 5 months because of the weather

this is the live view today

lets see what i can bring out

[low tendon]

y does my venus look kinda 2d

or is it just me

[teal sandal]

10 min derotation

[somber stratus]

Siril?🤔

[lyric dome]

Yes

[low tendon]

is this good for a 6' scope???

[teal sandal]

Celestron nexstar 127 slt sv137 2x Barlow uv ir cut and player one Neptune 664c

[teal sandal]

Siril

[somber stratus]

What are you using it for?

[lyric dome]

Makes sense haha

[lyric dome]

Hey Tom, do you auto focus or do it by hand?

[teal sandal]

Usually small adjustments and looking at r g and b separately. Also in some rare cases I use wavelets there

[lyric dome]

You custom make your scope so

[teal sandal]

I’m just used to Sirils interface

[somber stratus]

By hand with the 16", and hybrid on the 24". I have motorised focus on the 24" (as it's too high for me to reach the focuser), but I manually tune it with a hand controller.

Nothing automated in terms of tuning the focus. I do it all by eye via the live view.

[lyric dome]

Got it

[somber stratus]

The preview adjustments in Firecapture are particularly useful though

can boost contrast and increase brightness without influencing the raw data

[lyric dome]

I use sharpcap, is Firecapture better?

[somber stratus]

For planetary, yes imo.

[main flume]

please stop being good

[olive saddle]

Using your 24" dob, how does Jupiter look when just doing visual? Is it anywhere near as good as a raw video like this (or perhaps even better)?

[lyric dome]

this is raw video

[white prawn]

I like the quality. Wonder how to address the color. 🤔

[lyric dome]

ah yes i color cottected

no i did not,,, weird

[lyric dome]

see how it sometimes turns red for a second

idk why it does that

[misty glen]

Jupiter from a couple nights ago

[lyric dome]

amazing

last night for me

[lyric dome]

what scope?

[misty glen]

Next star 8se

[lyric dome]

ahh

makes sense

i have a 3inch manuel refractor

[teal sandal]

really nice

[lyric dome]

thank you

[teal sandal]

How long were ur captures

1 min?

[lyric dome]

3 mins

[teal sandal]

oh

you should try shorter time

[lyric dome]

2:45 ish

[teal sandal]

i think the rotation is present here

[lyric dome]

i try pushing limits

[lyric dome]

i see

[teal sandal]

or is it just me

[lyric dome]

no you are right

its hard because of frames

[fathom oak]

I kinda doubt 1min vs 3min is gonna make a difference for him with this scope IMO

[teal sandal]

yeah i understand

[lyric dome]

that one is about 1.6k frames

[teal sandal]

i do 1 min captures but not a lot of frames

[lyric dome]

however i tried something new

30 milisecond exposure and 0 gain

[teal sandal]

interesting

[lyric dome]

instead of high gain and 7-10ms exposure

[teal sandal]

how was it

[lyric dome]

i think i got more detail

but less frames obv

so its tough

[teal sandal]

less noise

[lyric dome]

trade off

maybe try 15ms next time and some gain

[livid sierra]

Will be the same snr, but less sharp because longer exposures

[lyric dome]

less sharp?

[livid sierra]

Better to stick with ~5-10ms

[teal sandal]

i usually do around 8 ms

[livid sierra]

Yeah because you’re “freezing” the atmosphere less effectively

[lyric dome]

i do 8 as well

but i have trouble figuring out how high of exposure to use

[lyric dome]

any idea how dark or light or what level of gain for best final image, i do lucky

[livid sierra]

Exposure to ~5-10ms, gain set so histogram is around 80%

[lyric dome]

ohhh i didn't know there was a histagram on sharpcap

[lyric dome]

can you show me what a histagram thats at around 80%?

would look like

[fathom oak]

it just means when the histogram is 80% over to the right

[lyric dome]

right but what does that look like?

[livid sierra]

It’s a histogram that says “80%”

Idk what you want me to show you lol

[lyric dome]

This is a sharpcap histogram

It’s above 80%

[fathom oak]

idk about sharpcap but firecapture literally says the percent right next to it

[lyric dome]

I don’t understand what it means to be at 80%

[livid sierra]

As you increase the exposure and/or gain in the software the histogram will increase to a higher %, 100%+ is overexposed, saturated pixels i.e. lost data

[lyric dome]

Ohh I’ll try it then

[livid sierra]

You see the percentages under the histogram right?

[lyric dome]

Yes

[livid sierra]

Histogram at 80% means the histogram cuts off at 80%

[fathom oak]

when the data lines go past this part

[livid sierra]

You see how it goes down as it goes to the right

[lyric dome]

So it hits the bottom?

[livid sierra]

You want it to cut off at 80%

[lyric dome]

I see

Thank you

I’ve never read a histogram

[livid sierra]

There’s not much to it

[fathom oak]

https://tenor.com/view/sickgang-gif-13658976598514502360

[lyric dome]

really clean

[teal sandal]

All i got from this terrible seeing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019937457095065731/1344720035230388244/22_41_53_pipp_AS_P40_lapl5_ap169_s_pipp-5x-RIFE-RIFE4.0-50fps.gif

oh wait i showed it already

[lyric dome]

dude thats still insane

[teal sandal]

thanks man

i just think abou it

[lyric dome]

i offically ordered my 6" goto

itll arrive mid april

[teal sandal]

an eclipse on jupiter

[teal sandal]

yoooo

150p heritage?

or what

[lyric dome]

yes

virtuso

[teal sandal]

nicee

[lyric dome]

yesir

[teal sandal]

waiting for some good images with it

[lyric dome]

haha yes

[lyric dome]

lol

[teal sandal]

Did I capture a cloud on mars?

or is it just an edge artefact

no, the bright spots on my image are surface details

makes sense

i want to shoot clouds on mars with a w47 and uv ir cut tommorow

should be more forgiving

than venus clouds

with the same filter setup

doing an rgb composition would be cool

i want to try that

Thanks, but i currently dont have one

[lyric dome]

Any details besides the ice caps?

That yall can notice

[teal sandal]

Dark surface spots and stuff

[lyric dome]

Cool

[fathom oak]

here's mine for fun

[lyric dome]

So good

[lyric dome]

Top left good

[fathom oak]

top right better colors

[lyric dome]

@somber stratus will you be capturing this?

[somber stratus]

This is too late in the night. Jupiter will be too low in the sky

[teal sandal]

why cant astrosurface set tiles?

[livid sierra]

Because Autostakkert is better

[fathom oak]

real

[teal sandal]

cool

i know

wanted to test how both handle this terrible data

[wispy pagoda]

probably because it's too dark (only 1 in 4 pixels lit and even the blue channel isn"t super bright)

[teal sandal]

i was quite surprised by how dark mars was with a violet filter

[wispy pagoda]

if increasing the tile coverage doesn't help, use global mean stacking but autostakkert will be better

[wispy pagoda]

Oh that's mars

good luck

[teal sandal]

captured it at a really high gain although should have done longer exposure

was afraid something higher than 20ms would make everything blurry

rgb looks good tho

yeah replacing blue channel with violet capture was a bad idea

especially when violet looks like this

[thick heron]

It's done a decent job at capturing clouds.

[lyric dome]

That Saturn pfp is insane my dude

[teal sandal]

Can’t deny, yeah

[left spindle]

hello

[white prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-bear-gif-26390359

[teal sandal]

i think ive got a cloud even on an rgb stack

yeah its def a cloud

[somber stratus]

Looks like it’s probably Olympus Mons.

[teal sandal]

Why is it present only in the blue channel then?

[somber stratus]

Because it’s a cloud that forms at its summit

Common occurrence

[teal sandal]

Oh

Makes sense then

Well that’s really cool!

[carmine void]

whenever i try to stack through AS4 on my laptop it never brings up that screen where you select an anchor point and place those boxes over the moon/planets

has anyone experienced that before

[somber stratus]

What, the entire preview window?

or just surface mode

[carmine void]

yea that

also these weird artifacts (i've autostretched the stack)

[carmine void]

What should I be doing to it in pipp?

Also what color space do you guys use for planetary and dso?

[carmine void]

And for dso?

[carmine void]

Gotcha

[wispy pagoda]

Yeah 8 bits is largely enough for planetary but I always use 16bits for deep sky since it makes calibration more reliable

[limber reef]

Guys is the asi224mc good

Or should i consider the asi662

[white prawn]

Uranus-C

[white prawn]

Player One Mars-C II

[limber reef]

Cant afford lol

[limber reef]

Why get that and not zwo whats the difference?

I mean i can get it from aliexpress

Im new to the whole camera thing

[white prawn]

The Player One gear is less expensive (and some folks say more capable) than the equivalent ZWO gear. Also, ZWO gear is designed to work best with ZWO components, such as the ASIAir. Which is nothing but an up-jumped pi with some open source software being used in a proprietary manner, which is contrary to the terms of the use of the open source software. An inexpensive and low powered mini pc is actually better than the ASIAir

[limber reef]

Ah ok

Is aliexpress reliable for cameras

I use it for general stuff but never stuff over £10

[white prawn]

I personally would go directly to the merchant or an astro shop rather than aliexpress for anything that I want to trust to work.

[rugged knoll]

i bought my touptek guidecam from aliexpress a good amount cheaper than what touptek has it for and its perfectly fine

[limber reef]

Aliexpress is £50 cheaper

And for a 13 year old thats a bug difference

[summer pebble]

Some hints of surface detail on Ganymede?

[white prawn]

Thinking yes

[white prawn]

Understandable. I have my line of thinking. Do with the information as you will. 🙂

[somber stratus]

How the turn tables

@summer pebble Although it is mostly edge rind, there is definitely a dimming at upper-right. Could be influenced by Galileo regio, but also could be miscollimation. Hard to tell.

Insert whole resolve vs detect debate

[somber stratus]

English saying. Wasn't too long ago I was saying the same thing to you

[limber reef]

Is the mars-c better than the mars-c ii?

[lyric dome]

Amazing

Last night

It’s an animation

3” Manuel refractor

[fathom oak]

nice

is that mark zuckerburg in your pfp? lol

[lyric dome]

No that’s me bruh 😭

[fathom oak]

oh XD my bad

[lyric dome]

Haha

[white prawn]

I would expect it to be as such.

[summer pebble]

Ah, I see

Maybe viewing it all could help...?

[limber reef]

What camera?

[woeful obsidian]

My best seeing

[teal sandal]

This is insane

6” sct?

[summer pebble]

Zwo asi585

[summer pebble]

Yep!

[limber reef]

Nicee

[teal sandal]

Love the results, why aren’t you a mininerd yet🙏🏻

[fathom oak]

You can't really get mininerd from planetary alone unless it's like Tom level quality or something

[teal sandal]

Oh alr

But the quality for the equipment used?

Like getting really good results for the aperture of the scope or smth

I guess it’s difficult to rate

Alr

[fathom oak]

not sure tbh

[main flume]

how tho 😭

[fathom oak]

how what

[main flume]

why the bar so high

[fathom oak]

planetary is just much easier and cheaper and doesn't require as much knowledge/experience to do

than DSO imaging I mean

[main flume]

makes sens

[summer pebble]

Ahh I sss

See

Or blow mine out of the world

I have attempted dso imaging, but everyone else’s images blow mine out of the water. Not to mention that or bad technique and stuff

[fathom oak]

Have you posted those in #1127675764356173885 yet? That might be enough to get you mininerd ngl

[summer pebble]

Oh I have not. I’ll do it later perhaps

[livid sierra]

Jupiter & Europa in 610nm in broad daylight with the new Uranus-M

[lyric dome]

Is this yours?

[summer pebble]

Yep, it is

[lyric dome]

is a 6 inch skywatcher virtuoso goto tracking scope different from an SCT, what is an SCT?

[fathom oak]

The virtuoso is a Newtonian Reflector Telescope on an altaz mount. An SCT, or Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope, also has mirrors but in addition to that it has a Schmidt correcting glass plate in the front.

[lyric dome]

ohhh i see

pros and cons for both?

[summer pebble]

Yeah pretty much what he said

[fathom oak]

sorry if I beat you to it and stole your answer 😅

[summer pebble]

Scts in short are primarily suited for planetary imaging due to the high f ratio

Nah it’s good

[lyric dome]

i see

[fathom oak]

Newts tend to be cheaper than SCTs. SCTs have a longer focal length, but also a bigger central obstruction which means that a newt of the same size (with barlow to get to same focal ratio) is actually slightly better.

[lyric dome]

oh wow alright

very cool

[latent siren]

Jupiter last night under a little above average seeing conditions
Celestron Nexstar 8se and a Canon EOS T3i (600D)

[rugged knoll]

if you want this get the heritage instead

[lyric dome]

Weren’t you the guy that jumped in saying don’t buy it and never said why?

@rugged knoll

And I already bought it

Gets here the 12th

[lyric dome]

How many frames stacked and how long was recording?

I feel like you could get better surface detail but it’s rotationally blurred (could be wrong)

You can’t stack over 2-3 minutes of frames from start to finish

[rugged knoll]

yes and i did say why

in my experience the mount just doesnt work well at all

and i explained what about it doesnt work in that conversation

it could be possible i got a bad model but imo shipping a basically defective mount is unacceptable

[lyric dome]

Do you mean planetary or dso?

[rugged knoll]

for planetary i would just use the mount turned off, i mean dso

[lyric dome]

Ohh

Wait I want the tracking for planetary though

What’s wrong with the mount?

YouTube reviews all seem to do well

[lyric dome]

Did you rebalance the mount after putting your camera on it?

[rugged knoll]

quite literally every extra feature it has that the heritage doesnt

[rugged knoll]

yes, i tried absolutely everyting

its just a defective mount

[lyric dome]

I see

Hm

So you’re saying it won’t work at all?

[rugged knoll]

if yours ends up working fine that still means skywatchers quality control isnt good enough to stop a defective mount from getting through

[lyric dome]

Yeah

[rugged knoll]

it turns on and moves and stuff but the things clueless 😭

[lyric dome]

What 😭

[rugged knoll]

never knows where its supposed to go even when properly aligned

[lyric dome]

Did you polar align and line up with triple star?

Omg

[rugged knoll]

yes

[lyric dome]

I hope yours was just born stupid

[rugged knoll]

i do too cause if yours ends up like mine then thats gonna be two virtuoso paperweights

i love how the problems only showed up after i couldnt return it anymore so i was stuck with it

[lyric dome]

😭

[latent siren]

Around 50-60 seconds.

Unfortunately I dont know the total amount of frames

Oh nevermind I still have Autostakkert open

1450 frames

I believe I'm ever so slightly off in collamination too

but I have my telescope sitting outside waiting for it to be darker

[lyric dome]

I see

[latent siren]

I fixed the collimation issue.

So much better lol.

It was slightly offset up and to the left, so I'll try to video jupiter again later if it clears more.

[white prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/newt-rally-newt-rally-lgmbldm-gif-18173971

[lyric dome]

Show?

3 inch Manuel refractor hehehe

[latent siren]

My, bad I didn't take a photo 😭

[white prawn]

Looks like you're getting the hang of things.

[lyric dome]

I suppose elol

[teal sandal]

should i undersample when shooting mercury?

shorter exposures = more best frames (f12)
vs
more zoomed in and probably more details BUT longer exposures and less best frames (f24)

[somber stratus]

Depends on aperture tbh

You'll be heavily seeing limited

[teal sandal]

5 in

[somber stratus]

then probably f/24

[fathom oak]

hit em with the hubble f/ratio

[teal sandal]

thanks

im going out for mercury rn

wish me luck

[fathom oak]

is mercury even high enough to image rn?

[teal sandal]

20 deg

for me

or 15

15-20 around here

[fathom oak]

I'm gonna wait till it's at its highest for me and then I will image it for the first time

[teal sandal]

got it

[fathom oak]

W

[lyric dome]

My friends mid day mercury

[livid sierra]

I got Mercury yesterday

[olive saddle]

Woah

[lyric dome]

Incredible

[latent siren]

I'd say this is a lot better.

Though the conditions were a little below average

Also I looked back on my other photo, I realized it was horrible quality for some reason

that is my bad.

[compact bough]

Conditions really matter ill show what I got during mid conditions

Cropped

This is when conditions were fairly good