Planetary Imaging

[green pebble]

Since school started i got no time for astro, and i gotta study the whole entire day also since im an introvert i have a hard time making friends

[proud mulch]

I say 11PM and 5:30 AM are Astro time (but not both at once)

[coarse aspen]

Moons

[proud mulch]

True

I mean it’s only like .10 mag brighter

[clear pier]

literally so relatable

autostakkert what happened

[white prawn]

Set higher min brightness, like 30

[clear pier]

right right lol just thought it was funny, but actually had a question, this was me trying to get saturn's moons and i got 4 of them, but my question was do i put tiny alignement points on the moons?

[white prawn]

I never have. Since you're actively trying for them I'll say yes, you do want to set APs on them.

[clear pier]

ok got it and small i assume right

[white prawn]

Yes

[clear pier]

thanks :)

[clear pier]

wait am i going crazy or do i have a moon here

[white prawn]

At that distance I'd expect noise

[dark cargo]

Check in stellarium on the time you took the picture for a moon. could be some ransom noise

[clear pier]

enceladus is supposed to be there

[white prawn]

Which makes me disappointed when the answer to "am I crazy or.." is not "yes".

[clear pier]

but i don't think so because i got tethys and dione pretty bright in the same image and they're of simliar mag

LOL that's ok i still have 4 which im happy about

[dark cargo]

Sounds like it's enceladus then? nice

[clear pier]

i mean i got tethys and dione and they look much brighter

it might not be enceladus idk

this is a high gain high exposure image

[dark cargo]

isn't enc like a mag or two dimmer than the three other ones? mag 12 vs mag 11ish i think? So half the brightness?

[clear pier]

dione: 10.58, tethys: 10.37, enceladus: 11.72, all according to stellarium

and wow i never realized only 1 mag above is half the brightness

[dark cargo]

Huh actually i'm lying, 1 mag difference is 2.5x I think? It's actually some weird decimal taken from the original scale where 1 was x star and 6 was a star 100 times fainter than it?

[clear pier]

oh wow i see well still that's a huge jump

so is it safe to assume it's enceladus?

[dark cargo]

I woudn't bet a lot on it, but if its in the right place it's probably enceladus?

[clear pier]

ok ok nice

[dusky holly]

Is there maybe one for vids?

[barren dune]

some shots from lastnight

[livid sierra]

Nice. I just shot Theophilus last night too

[tardy iris]

Wow, what equipment do you use?

[tardy iris]

Beautiful!

[barren dune]

14indob, qhy5III178c, 3xbarlow, eqplate + handtracking

[tardy iris]

very nice, what eqplate is it, ive been looking to get one

[proper oyster]

400photo stack with jupiter

On my 8inch newt

[wet nest]

when is the next time mars will be visible

[high hull]

couple months for it to be visible during sunrise with binoculars, year or so to become opposition

[wet nest]

at night

[high hull]

may or later

[topaz elk]

a year goes by so quick

[white prawn]

First decent image of Saturn. Possibly room for improvement on RGB align

[hasty hull]

Did you push black point/contrast?

I feel like some of the rings got eaten away a little bit

[white prawn]

I did push contrast a little. I was trying to make the top hex and the thin line in the norther lighter band (between the darker bands) more apparent.

[hasty hull]

Fair enough

It’s hard to bring out globe detail without the rings deteriorating

[white prawn]

And what's more fun is that with the UVIR cut filter on everything comes out with a noticeable blue tinge. I had to remove a good amount of blue to get that, and when I contrasted and saturated it came out again. It was hard to re-correct

[topaz elk]

fringing?

or do u mean hue

[white prawn]

Hue

[topaz elk]

oh idk

it could be camera idk

[white prawn]

Yeah. Just .. not fond of having to correct it.

[white prawn]

I have a bit of an issue. Trying to work with a Jupiter image and these are my histograms, one is from stacking 17 alignment points, and the other is from stacking 600 alignment points. I'm struggling with sharpening/denoising, and when I do RGB Balance the color gets thrown off kilter, RGB align torques it even worse.

My histograms are attached, neither of them are "adjustment friendly" All of my Jupiter subs are experiencing this it looks like. Suggestions?

Hanging up the processing for the night, was hoping to get Jupiter, this is really disappointing.

[uncut glade]

I think part of the issue is your background is not black, so it's throwing off auto white balance. In autostakkert try normalizing the stack to ~70% and do RGB balance after coarse sharpening. Once it's balanced start running denoise and fine tuning that sharpening

I've had a similar thing happen to me before when I imaged at dawn and the stack had a blue background. After individually balancing each frame the beginning and end frames had the same temperature instead of progressing slightly red

or blue, i can't remember which. you get the idea

[topaz elk]

@white prawn can you send the raw stack here

[proud mulch]

Fun

[steep apex]

10/10 perfect seeing

[thin aspen]

is this a good size for jupiter in the frame for a 2xbarlow at 1000mm or do i need to go with a 3x or higher to bring out better detail

[dark cargo]

It's roughly 137 pixels across, but it also doesn't really look focused? I usually have it so its around 250 pixels across, or 1 pixel= 0.15-0.2 arcseconds, but if you are only shooting in the day I think the 2x is probably better than the 4xish that would get you that sampling. as the planet would be brighter

[thin aspen]

ye that was just a quick shot to show the size. What size would you say i should get for when its dark?

[dark cargo]

well it depends on the current apparent diameter of it, but under ideal conditions you could do a 4x barlow probably? something that gets you 1 pixel per 0.15 arcseconds. i use around 0.2"/pixel usually with the 8" dob. so around 200-250 pixels i think.

[thin aspen]

what is arcsecond sorry

[thin aspen]

so jupiter is meant to have 200-250 pixels

[dark cargo]

1/3600 of a degree basically just a unit of measurement to how big things look.

[dark cargo]

I just go to: https://theskylive.com or stellarium, check the apprent diameter(excluding rings for saturn) of when i take the picture, then divide that in arcseconds by the diameter of the planet in the picture, to get the " per pixel, then try to get it closer to 0.15" or 0.2" per pixel. So right now jupiter is 43.6" across which would make an ideal picture of it around 220-292pixels in diameter with the 8" dob.

It would change near opposition when jupiter is closer to 48 arcseconds in apparent diameter

I just basically figured out a decent barlow + extension setup then never changed it when imaging on good nights of seeing

[thin aspen]

do you think its ok to stack 2 2x barlows or should i get a higher power barlow like 3x

im afraid ill loose quality with the more glass the light goes through

[dark cargo]

all praise spacers, divine technology for extending barlows

Could 3D print some if you have access to it

[thin aspen]

i tried adding an empty barlow tube to extend it but i didnt notice any difference in the magnification

do i place the extender tube between the barlow and the camera

[dark cargo]

Compare the diameter of the planet in the pictures, should have made some difference unless its a powermate or something

[thin aspen]

the extension tube in red

the big thing to the left connected to the barlow is the camera just to clarrify my drawing using a mouse

[thin aspen]

right image is using the empty barlow to extend a 2x and left is just a 2x

[dark cargo]

extension tube should be between the lens and the camera, idea is to increase the distance between the barlow lens and the sensor so the light spreads out more fromthe barlow

[thin aspen]

sorry I drew it around the wrong way 💀

barlow in red i mean

[dark cargo]

ah yea thats how it should be then

[dark cargo]

i think there is some difference in the pictures, try using the select tool in paint to check the planets diameter

[thin aspen]

its seems to be 2 pixels more

[vapid depot]

best 12ms from one of the vids last night. c6, shorty 2x + asi 120 mc

[proud mulch]

Shorty Barlow user 🔥

[steep apex]

Where stack and processed image

[vapid depot]

4000 stacked out of 10k in 120s

[proud mulch]

Collimate fella pls

[vapid depot]

I did the other week I treated it like a baby

Thought we were good 😂

[white prawn]

How in F am I supposed to compete with THAT.

[white prawn]

Also @uncut glade Sending the 17 alignment point and 600 alignment point stacks. Best 10%

[white prawn]

My default setting is to do ~70% normalize.

[white prawn]

I wasn't imaging at dawn, this was near midnight. However, I wonder if Jupiter's proximity to the moon impacted how it would appear and thus how the stack would be lit. That said, the less AP stack gives out a LOT more red, then white balances right over to blue.

[vapid depot]

Move to Michigan for august September

[coarse aspen]

Yes

[white prawn]

There may be hope, this is my best shot of Jupiter w/ the DSLR. Once I get over the hump I'm having w/ the ASI585 we'll see what I can do

[topaz elk]

@white prawn

quick process

i didn't have a problem getting it to white balance

[white prawn]

Which set? 17 AP or 600AP?

And why am I having NO fun with white balance?

[topaz elk]

600

i didn't try 17

@white prawn

i mean its the same ig

this is the 17

[white prawn]

Wait, did you white balance before the sharpen?

[topaz elk]

it shouldn't matter

usually i do it first tho cuz logically it makes more sense

[white prawn]

Alright, let me give it a whirl

Your results are not repeated. 😦

[topaz elk]

did you highlight all of the planet?

[white prawn]

There's no highlight on RGB Balance, just Align?

[topaz elk]

@white prawn for the future you should just switch to astrosurface

registax 6 is so outdated its crazy

[white prawn]

I get better sharpening from RS

Hm

I do have AstroSurface though

[topaz elk]

that's bc u don't use deconvolution in astrosurface

[white prawn]

Let me see

[white prawn]

So you're saying my processing is convoluted.😁

[topaz elk]

set background as black point in astrosurface

deconvolution literally carries

[white prawn]

Okay w/ AstroSurface I open up W-Balance and poof it's done. Me: "Wut" 😮

Okay, white balance is great but now the sharpening portion really really stinks compared to Registax

[coarse aspen]

Astrosurface > registax just harder to use

[white prawn]

Harder to use defeats better. Just makes an extra step for me sometimes

[steep apex]

Bumped out of collimation 🙂

[uncut glade]

Still some decent polar details considering collimation that out of whack, nice work playing around that

[topaz elk]

is that where ur sharpening it

did u use wavelets and deconvolute first

[white prawn]

I thought that was the place to go to sharpen. No I didn't use wavelets/deconvolute first. Let me go back into that, I'm getting absolutely NOWHERE w/ Registax on this image, and usually that software is THE Jupiter processing software

[topaz elk]

i think most ppl use astrosurface now

at least ive seen tom iirc and j3rry use it

[topaz elk]

wavelets and then deconvolute first tho

[white prawn]

The best Saturn shot I have so far was done in Registax

Alright, one moment.

[topaz elk]

honestly i just sharpen in photoshop most of the time

[white prawn]

Lucky you. First, to afford PhotoShop; second to have the skills to sharpen in that one.

Dec Wiener or Dec RLucy?

[topaz elk]

nah my public school bought photoshop

[topaz elk]

wiener

[white prawn]

Okay. Now what?

[topaz elk]

airy psf size is how strong it is

make sure u have noise prefilter on so u dont get noise

noise factor u can slide up and down

down is more sharp and up is less

[topaz elk]

that pretty good

honestly u just need more frames cuz its kinda noisy to work with

[white prawn]

More frames? I have a stack w/ 25%

[white prawn]

Okay I'm puzzled. When I play the video that these frames came from it reports 5:25 time. However the log file reports it recorded just the amount I requested - 3 min. What's up? When I was processing I split the movie files in half so instead of one folder w/ 9700 frames I had 2 folders with about 4500 frames. How does 3 min of recording net a 5 min video?

[cloud copper]

do you guys have a good tutorial for planetary animations?

[dark cargo]

Did the framerate of the video change to ~30fps in pipp?

[dark cargo]

I just take a bunch of normal videos for a while, then sort them into 2-3 minute segments, process them normally then put all the sharpned stacks into pipp to turn it into a gif. I think it's possible to automate that process with astrosurface through, haven't used it personally.

[white prawn]

The media player (VLC or Windows player) played a 5 minute video. Let me get one of them in PIPP

Basically if it's 3 min and the media player is reading wonky (which may be the case because it's a RAW video file) then I'll have to re-do part of my processing and put separate files back together.

[dark cargo]

Try rightclicking it then seeing the framerate in properties?

Maybe its undefined so both players just assume 30fps?

[white prawn]

Well what do you know.

The good news is - I wasn't losing my mind, they were 3 min vids.

On the other hand I took 33 of them and need to run them through PIPP again

🤦‍♂️

[dark cargo]

ah as I assumed, pipp turned them into 30fps

[white prawn]

Nope, PIPP didn't do that, that's just how Windows is reading it. Those are pre-PIPP info files. I record and then PIPP straight to TIFF.

A SER file looks like this. As soon as you said the player might be presuming/treating as 30fps everything made sense. The log file reported 54fps and noted the recording was 3 min as instructed. If the media players look at it and think 30fps it'll run longer

[ruby tartan]

This is my disciple

[frozen hound]

Dude this is like Damian Peache's photo of Jupiter...it's amazing!!! You can even see the shadow of Europa

[steep apex]

How do you get Ganymede surface detail with a 5” I wanna catch that

[topaz elk]

damn i didnt realize how many ppl voted 💀

[frozen hound]

Dude it's amazing

Your Saturn is also really really cool

But I think Jupiter is better

What Telescope do you use?

Screw it I saw your profile description

Man!

What camera do you use?

This is outrageous!

Screw it I found this one too

😂

[lyric peak]

Did I get the "outer devision" (idk the name) or not? It's definitely not an artifact.

[coarse aspen]

Cassini definitely. Encke (the small outer one) ehh not sure

[tidal crow]

dont zoom into my images

[topaz elk]

i dont think it would resolve but idk

[tidal crow]

i mean i got cassini

[lyric peak]

well it's 10% of like 80k frames. So the best of the best frames. Not a single bad one... hard to tell

[topaz elk]

u could calculate how many pixels would be on the image if it resolved

see if it matches up

[frozen hound]

Nice pixels!!! Naaaa I'm joking...it's a really good picture 👍

[tidal crow]

Thanks

[frozen hound]

Did you shoot it with a smartphone?

[tidal crow]

Nope

Celestron neximage 10

[frozen hound]

How many frames?

What resolution?

It doesn't make sense

[tidal crow]

I zoomed in a lot…

It was 1080p

[frozen hound]

Aaaaaaa...don't you have a high magnification Barlow???

[tidal crow]

I do i used a 2x one

Not in this image

Whoops

[frozen hound]

I have a 3x one...3x barlow is the sweetspot

Unless your Telescope can handle bigger magnification

I use an empty 2x barlow without its lens (for extra magnification) between a 3x barlow and my eyepiece

So I basically have a somewhat 4x barlow lens

But not exactly

[hasty hull]

Called encke. And no it’s definitely an artifact

[lyric peak]

ok ok

[hasty hull]

Likely a result of sharpening

Encke in reality is like 1/3 the width of Cassini

I’ve never seen it done by a scope smaller than 10”

[proud mulch]

I may have gotten it too

Very very faint

[livid sierra]

You did not get Encke

[hasty hull]

no you did not

[white prawn]

Nope.

[proud mulch]

😔

[topaz elk]

did i get the inner ring on this one

idk abt enke tho

[hasty hull]

Duif’s image. Look how small encke is in reality, barely here even though Cassini is so well resolved

[hasty hull]

C ring yeah it’s there

[topaz elk]

lol i always thought it was a deconvolution artifact 💀

pretty sure i removed it one time

[hasty hull]

Pretty sure the little gap in between C and B rings is an artifact

But C ring itself is there yeah

[topaz elk]

i think its just too faint

[hasty hull]

Yeah got eaten away a little bit

[topaz elk]

the cassini division should be smaller in reality but the gradient is too faint for it to pick up

prolly cuz of contrast too lol

[steep apex]

Who was the person who get surface detail on Ganymede with a 5”

[hasty hull]

@summer field

[white prawn]

I remain highly skeptical of the claim, and that is where I will rest my statement.

[livid sierra]

What are you talking about

[steep apex]

#older_system_pics message

[steep apex]

Thanks

[summer field]

I can send some raw data if you want (I only kept the stacks, I deleted the ser files)

[white prawn]

I'm interested in the how. That seems a bit beyond the capability of a 5" since w/ planetary to capture detail you need aperture. "Aperture is king" there. However, I'm not the one who imaged and I'm still learning so if there is an opportunity for me to learn something then I accept it. For all I know it was the cam used being so far above and beyond what I'm familiar with.

[white prawn]

I trust the raw data and end result ... where I'm coming from I haven't gotten Jupiter moon detail on my 8" even with an astro cam. So if that's something that can be done on a 5" scope w/ the right equip and skills, I'm eager to know things. 🙂

[topaz elk]

nah a 5” def capable of that

aperture is king but poor conditions and poor processing can equate to the result of a 2” telescope

[summer field]

I'll give some details about the process, after i'm done with M13 😄

[white prawn]

Or less.

[steep apex]

Ser files in thread

[summer field]

the link is probably dead by now

[steep apex]

@summer field Were you tracked for the Jupiter and Ganymede 5” image?

[summer field]

Yes

[white prawn]

Possibly part of the equation then?

[summer field]

not really, the effect on image quality is negligible (at least in my experience) but it's much less painful
for the how : I'm imaging at f/22 with a qhy462c camera, a bit oversampled, but it just works. I always check collimation (and that everything is OK optically) and seeing on a nearby star before starting, and take a PSF for later use. Then just image jupiter for some time, for this one, I kept 13min (1 min ser files). Here is what I do for processing :

• stack the ser files in AS!3
• batch wiener deconvolution with Astrosurface using the PSF taken earlier
• derotation using Winjupos
• wavelet sharpening and white balance in Astrosurface
• final touch in gimp (saturation, edge rind artefact removal, maybe a bit of sharpening or gaussian blur)
  On this one, I processed the moons and the planet separately, to avoid edge rind artefact

[white prawn]

What I'm reading here is that I need more practice in a few areas. My images are good, but have potential to be better I think. Just to compare, I have an ASI585 for a camera, and 203/1000mm Newt; so native f/4.9. I could bring it to f/14.77 or f/24.6 depending on the Barlow lens that I use. I've been doing a spot check on collimation as well before I start. I don't know what a PSF is though.

I tried deconvoluting for the first time yesterday and have no clue whatsoever of what I'm doing or what things need to look like. I work with 3 minute movies so I don't derotate since to my knowledge it shouldn't be necessary at that time length. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have tried to put rotation back by creating a gif with some images.

I've been using Registax to do sharpening and RGB Balance/Align. That said I've tried Astrosurface. It seems like a powerful program and I might have to make more effort to become familiar with it, I might be able to get better results with it after I learn a few things.

Final touches are also in Gimp ... same things. I find that lunar edge rind is easier to take care of than other edge rind. Usually I focus on saturation, contrast, and color level management ... not necessarily in that order.

To get that out of a 5" is really impressive. I'm still working to get something like that out of my 8" and ultimately I would like to be better than Tom/Damien.

[vapid depot]

Psf is basically a representation of a point source object like a star, after passing through the atmosphere

We do our best to guess the psf

But mathematically knowing how a star should look w no atmosphere is a start

[white prawn]

So the goal of PSF is to tell the program what to remove from the image so that it better represents the object

[vapid depot]

Pretty much that’s how I get it

That jsut gave me an idea

What If you had another telescope recording at the same time, on a v nearby star to record the psf

[steep apex]

$600 10” very sketchy

[green pebble]

Buy it

[steep apex]

Idk man, it’s at a low price for a reason

[cloud copper]

The v1 is not that good, a lot of problems

V2 is good at a good price also

[green pebble]

Its worth it

[cloud copper]

not realy

the mount isnt that great

the new version of it is way better

[summer field]

yes bring it to higher focal length, f/14.5 is the minimum according to the 5x rule to have a correct sampling.
You can do 3min ser files, AS!3 can deal with small amount of rotation so it will be fine.
Astrosurface adds a lot of features, it's worth trying, with that said, for wavelets alone it shouldn't make that much of a difference compared to registax once you are used to it.
Deconvolution is the process of inverting a filter, here the telescope acts as a filter, that will blur the image according to its PSF. Diffraction, optical defects and turbulence will affect the size and shape of the PSF and blur the image in a specific way. If you know the PSF, you can use deconvolution to invert that blur and recover a good image. You can try to guess the PSF, there's a tool in the last version of Astrosurface that lets you calculate the theoretical PSF of a given telescope, but taking a PSF on an actual star will give a much better result, as you are taking the real psf of your scope.

[green pebble]

Yall really dont get the joke

[summer field]

I'm not sure that this will give you anything better, the telescopes are not exactly the same and not affected by the same optical defects, but even if they were perfect, turbulence is not isotropic so there is no reasons for it to affect in the same way the planet and the star a few arcmin or degrees away, as the isoplanatic angle is only maybe a few tens of arcseconds, even jupiter moons are not affected by the same turbulence

[white prawn]

Okay, and all my recording is done at least w/ the 3x Barlow so f/14.77.

[white prawn]

For what I'm up to right now, I don't need to change recording practices. Maybe I'll try to do a rotation and get winjupos involved at some point but right now I'm still getting used to the new camera.

I suppose there's a reason I haven't removed AstroSurface from my system. 🙂 So the OTA is introducing the issue, not the atmosphere? In any event, I have a very basic enough understanding. PSF is a thing and for best imaging it needs to be addressed.

@summer field thank you

[safe compass]

Uh oh. This is alot more complicated than I expected, especially in the post processing areas.

[summer field]

optical defects AND atmosphere will degrade your images, for the first one you can compensate in some way using deconvolution. For the atmosphere/turbulence, beside having low enough exposure time and sorting the best frames in AS!3 or just moving to a better place, there's not much thing you can do (at least to my knowledge, and I still have a lot to learn 🙂 )

[fading plume]

Latest Saturn from the 14"

[steep apex]

I need a big aperture telescope

[white prawn]

Join the club😆

[gray orchid]

Single frame using my Samsung S10+ and Orion XT8 w/ 10mm plossl.

[hasty hull]

rad

[eternal solstice]

wait, which comp did you win?

[gray orchid]

Haven't won any Astrobiscuit comps this season.

Milky way core comp isn't looking too good

[eternal solstice]

well, there is that throphie next to your name?

its says low tier comp winner

[gray orchid]

Oh yii

My Andromeda image and then my messier 106 image

[eternal solstice]

ooooh

cool

[gray orchid]

From the last couple comps

Before veil I think? Can't remember exactly.

[eternal solstice]

cool, a very late congrats then

[gray orchid]

Lol gracias

Striving for HOF as soon as I lay my hands on a dam cooled astro cam.

But that's a long shot with all these bangers going around.

[eternal solstice]

well, never say never! you have got the skills in my opinion. just need some sharpening your skils and you got a good chance.

[steep apex]

Either that or a tracking mount

I need to find a 10” for $800 that’s not crap

[dusky holly]

hola! hablas espanol????

[gray orchid]

No

[dusky holly]

oh 🥲

[dusky holly]

da li govoriš srpski?

[green pebble]

Un poqito

[dusky holly]

muy bien! cuantos anos tienes?

[green pebble]

Tiengo dieciseis anos, tu?

[dusky holly]

sesenta y nueve 🤓

[barren dune]

14in dob eqplate+handtracking
Qhy5iii178c+3x barlow

[gray orchid]

I need to grab a 3x barlow

[proud mulch]

2x Barlow works well enough

[steep apex]

Skywatcher 8” dobsonian 150/1200 for $650 or
Skywatcher 10” dobsonian 200/1200 for 900,

What’s the difference if their the same fl? But different thingy idk what it’s called

[onyx garnet]

aperture

[steep apex]

Yes and that

[proud mulch]

Focal ratio

F stop

[steep apex]

Also collects more light since bigger aperture might just get an 8” dob or a tracking mount

[proud mulch]

If u wanna do deepsky more, get a tracking thing

(Onstep is a thing for broke boys btw)

[coarse aspen]

its not

onstep is literally better than synscan you have no idea what you're talking about

i will fight you

[green pebble]

Excelente

[green pebble]

No violence will be tolerated

[steep apex]

Possible disturbance in Jupiters northern band?

[steep apex]

What was the aperture of the scope you used? This is pretty cool

[topaz elk]

8"

[livid sierra]

I don’t know what you’re looking at but those apertures are wrong

8” is 200p and 10” is 250p

[steep apex]

I only realized that now dang

How did I get the 150

Anyways is there any slow mo controls on the skywatcher dobs

[dark cargo]

nope, not on the classic ones at least. 200p I have isn't extremely smooth in either axis, could only easily move it maybe 3 arcminutes not any less. so it is a bit of a problem

[steep apex]

I can deal with crap slow mo controls

Any spec differences with the flex tube 8” skywatcher and the traditional 8” skywatcher other than the portability?

[dark cargo]

I think even the weight is similar? The flex tube might be a bit newer, older classic ones don't have the handle in the front at the very least.

[steep apex]

Ok thanks for all of the info

[uncut glade]

I used an XT8 for a little bit for planetary work, the bearings were a little stiff, probably combination of undersized and in storage for too long. Provided decent views all around, would recommend tbh

The way I would steer is by actually bending the physical tube with individual finger amounts of pressure, instead of moving the bearings.

Basically, lubricate the dob, maybe replace the bearings with larger ones, any you’ll do just fine

[fading plume]

Eckne?

[onyx garnet]

noice

8" or smth?

[fading plume]

kms
this is the last time my scope gets mistaken for a 8"

Spends $3k on a new scope:
gets called """""""8" or smtn"""""""

🤡

[onyx garnet]

oh cool

did you get a lot of upgrades on the 8"?
shouldn't cost that much

[fading plume]

i got a 14

[onyx garnet]

lmao ik

impressive shot regardless

[fading plume]

cheers

[onyx garnet]

i might use the 15" at the observatory with my camera

if they open anytime soon

[hearty fiber]

Mas personas que hablan español, que bueno

[fading plume]

touchup

i think i prefer the touchup

[fading plume]

Quick PSA. My SVbony UVIR cut that came with my scope is likely causing really bad internal reflections. Do not buy.

Need to do more testing but im 90% sure it’s the filter and where it’s located in my imaging train.

[safe compass]

Keep us updated on the svbony uvir cut

[white prawn]

@fading plume @safe compass So far I've purchased 4 Svbony products and 3 of them have been disappointments so ... 🤷‍♂️

[safe compass]

ah i see. what'd you buy?

[white prawn]

SV105 camera - crashed SharpCap, the only app it would work on. 90 degree diagonal - didn't focus. 45 degree diagonal - introduces tilt and split stars. Eyepiece set - Okay that seems fine so far.

[safe compass]

Ah.

[safe compass]

What's the difference between sharpcap and firecapture

[white prawn]

Other than SharpCap supports SV products and FireCapture doesn't? Both of them are for imaging w/ an astro cam, and since I use SharpCap I'm not famililar w/ FC so I am not aware of the differences.

[safe compass]

Ah, I wanted to know the comparison between them but oh well, still I thank you for your input

[safe compass]

How do you check if you're fully focused using FireCapture?

[topaz locust]

I'm interested in this
Handtracked 8s exposure? I want to know how to do it

[green pebble]

Its just luck and slow control sticks, you need to have an eq mount and spin the stick to move the telescope, when moving the telescope match the earths rotation, and when matched just click to photograph it and its done, but you need to be steady, lucky and need to be patient beacuse its hard

[topaz locust]

I'm really impressed, thx

[livid sierra]

I’m also pretty sure phones don’t do actual 8 sec long exposures but more like a bunch of very short exposures and stack them

I can do handheld 10s exposures with my iphone without any trailing whatsoever

Doing that at 900mm, need to be a robot to hold your scope that steady for 8 seconds

[topaz elk]

holy crap thats so good at 5”

[thin aspen]

I thought it was 10inch

[tardy iris]

Is this out of collimattion? or just sometthing else?

[topaz elk]

she said it was 5

[uncut glade]

Maybe a touch on the top left? Pretty close to spot on though

[barren dune]

@steep apex. I shot the same disk this morning

Highlights are kind of blown. That what happens when you process with a dim screen lol

[proud mulch]

I am the king of sattelites

[barren dune]

Afraid that goes to tom

Can tom save some titles for the rest of us

[proud mulch]

For my scope range I am

[barren dune]

What scope

[proud mulch]

130mm (5.1”)

F/5

[steep apex]

[barren dune]

Heyyy baller shot

Those jups were single stacks

[proud mulch]

I can try to fix the shot too lol

[barren dune]

Wasnt enough good frames to derotate

[proud mulch]

Which one

[steep apex]

Ken hurry up and do Tiangong and Hubble

[sharp ridge]

Cloudy asf

Haven't seen clear sky in month

[fading plume]

1

Also is this stacked

[proud mulch]

Yes

Like 12-30 frames or something idk

[steep apex]

What do you guys think?

[proud mulch]

I will pay to see twastro image ceres

[dark cargo]

#older_system_pics message

[proud mulch]

It was even on my birthday 🔥

[steep apex]

More proof that tom is hacking

[topaz elk]

more than one pixel is crazy

[uncut glade]

It is resampled 400%, as an important detail.

Obviously still insane

But that is not "true" resolution

I can't say anything beyond that, because I can't beat it lmao

[green pebble]

Pro mode exists on phones, mine can go up to 30sec exposures, and at 900mm i needed to stop breating, and be like a stone, very calm, not breathing and very slowly spinning the wheel on the mount. It took me a few tries tho

[green pebble]

Honestly i expected more

The clouds took over so no jupiter but i expected better results

[vapid depot]

6 inch power

single 25% stack

[safe compass]

collimate bro

[vapid depot]

its not new data ive tweaked since

didnt rly see anything off though

[safe compass]

ah weird, idk what is causing that weird thing on the left side

[vapid depot]

must be slight miscolli

[safe compass]

yep

[vapid depot]

still my sharpest jupiter

[uncut glade]

By chance are you imaging from the ISS

[wispy pagoda]

Anyone has a soft to recommend to only align planetary frames with abrupt changes in orientation?

[fading plume]

the graph level doesnt mean anything yk

[candid flare]

i thought it was so ou can flex people our graphs

data

[vapid depot]

it still does. but its not an absolute measure of quality , the quality value is only against the reference

best reference i should add. thats how i get it anyways

[steep apex]

Jupiters storm next the the GRS (left) has increased by a lot

[candid flare]

My first Saturn!!

Used eos digital record for capturing with 10x digital zoom

It's tiny but I'd like to give Jupiter and moon crators a go

[vapid depot]

oh wow it has

[fading plume]

grs 2

[steep apex]

Where

[random pecan]

Gibbs phenomenon

That is not a collimation issue that’s a phenomenon that causes rind across planets and stars

[vapid depot]

holy shit thank you for giving the true name

i always heard it as the "onion ring effect" by ppl on instagram

but yeah describing the same thing

[random pecan]

Yeah

I learned that from I think Tom

A while back ago and it made me realize I wasn’t bad at editing it was just something that happened

[vapid depot]

i didnt have it on jupiter during opposition

[random pecan]

Hmmm

What size scope?

The 6?

[steep apex]

Was the southern band on Jupiter always bigger than the northern when it first came back?

[vapid depot]

yeee

Barely there

[dusky holly]

Io?

[serene meadow]

My first test run last night on my new Zwoasi camera.

Allowed to use it a week early as the weather will probably be terrible on my birthday. Shot with a Skywatcher 150PL.

[clear pier]

do you guys think this looks out of focus, or is it just seeing that’s limiting me?

[safe compass]

What are your specs? It looks good, which means your seeing is limiting you.

[clear pier]

skywatcher heritage 150p, uranus c, gso 2.5x barlow extended

i think it may have been the seeing yeah

i’ve never gotten above average seeing according to astrospheric

[safe compass]

oof, yeah definitely the seeing needs to be better.

[white prawn]

Just going to say to keep imaging. If this is what you get w/ below average seeing imagine what you can get w/ good seeing. These two were taken w/ a DSLR on an 8" in really good seeing.

[clear pier]

dang that's amazing, and thank you i was worried that i was messing up with processing, good to know it's something out of my control!

[vapid depot]

Yee I think so

[clear pier]

https://youtu.be/q5vdiiVkjP0

this is some of the raw data from those pictures

is it really that bad seeing?

it gets a little worse through the whole raw video lol

[vapid depot]

about average I’d say but I don’t see alot of details so maybe small aperture

[clear pier]

6 inch

[vapid depot]

Average a bit above average

[clear pier]

150 mm

[vapid depot]

Hmm Barlows?

[dark cargo]

I think it's not that great, but not really bad. Heres an example of fairly good seeing.(lossy compression with pipp then handbrake to encode it properly).

[vapid depot]

6” sct is where it’s at . Example of above average 8/10

[proud mulch]

It’s def seeing ok these were taken with different conditions

[clear pier]

i have a 2.5x it’s the gso one so it’s in reality a 2.2x but i’ve extended it a little bit

[vapid depot]

6” dob?

Your view looks like my 6” sct without a barlow

[clear pier]

ahh ok got it

yea it’s a dob

heritage 150p

so 750mm focal length

[proud mulch]

Also, when getting a reducer, why does it cause coma?

[clear pier]

dang that’s 8/10?? 10/10 must be pristine

[dark cargo]

I think you could extend the barlow for some more resolution when you have good seeing. what diameter is jupiter in pixels?

[vapid depot]

Apparently ish lol. V decent that night overall

[clear pier]

OH it was also windy when i was imaging and i remember being annoyed that it was shaky

[vapid depot]

From tom Williams lol this is 10/10

[clear pier]

well you did give me the extensions, but the thing is when i extend it i can’t reach focus, the only way i can is to collapse my truss tube slightly, and with 3 extensions it’s so much that the planet looks very dim, so i just used 2 for my last images

[clear pier]

excuse me where did the atmosphere go

[clear pier]

and im not sure about the diameter

[dark cargo]

try getting one frame from the video then using the selection tool in paint or anything else

I think you can get it so each pixel is ~0.26 or less arcseconds across pretty easily. with your aperture. Just divide apparent diameter of planet in arcseconds by pixels to get the arcseconds per pixel

[clear pier]

i might be able to but i think me collapsing the truss tube messes with brightness

that’s the issue im having, i do have three 25mm extensions they just dim out the planet a lot

[random pecan]

From my c6

You need better seeing you’re getting limited hard

[clear pier]

damn that’s amazing and yea i definitely do

https://youtu.be/-AtZUc9Akcc?si=J6s256TssIaqrYQq

very wobbly

[white prawn]

9/1/2023 at 22:47 EST.

Orion SkyView Pro: 8"/1000mm
Astromania 3x Barlow
ASI585

Sharpened in Registax, cropped in Gimp, color adjustments in Registax, touch-ups in Gimp.

[flint roost]

jupiter and its four major moons (big achievment for me yay)

[cursive inlet]

Did my first animation last night, pretty decent seeing.

[livid sierra]

Looks nice

[cursive inlet]

Final image

[coarse aspen]

Shouldnt Pipp have debayered this?

odd, in auto stakkert some of the frames are fine

some are like this

[dark cargo]

accidently took some videos with, and some without debayering?

[coarse aspen]

thats a single capture

[dark cargo]

huh that's weird, no way the setting would change during the capture?

[coarse aspen]

was there an option in sharpcap to debayer that i had to use?

was my first time using it soo didnt know i needed to

[dark cargo]

Not sure honestly, I think usually they don't debayer to save resources.

[coarse aspen]

I thought pipp could handle debayering

[white prawn]

It can/does. You have to check the box to tell it to do it

[coarse aspen]

yeah it is

[dark cargo]

Well if it was on then off during capture, I doubt it would work then. Try having a look through the raw video to see if anything changed.

[coarse aspen]

oh wait

i didnt check that

theres no option to anyway, its grayed out

[coarse aspen]

nothing changed during the raw video

went through it

[white prawn]

@coarse aspen No checkmark on left?

[coarse aspen]

yeah theres 1 there just not on the right

oh wait nevermind

i enabled "debayer mono frames" and it seems to work now

[white prawn]

If you have debayer selecteed it should give you the option to select debayer? Unless you have protect bayer pattern checked

[coarse aspen]

yep there we go

[white prawn]

Or you could do that too

[coarse aspen]

thanks

[dark cargo]

the left one would only work if something tells pipp what bayerpattern it should use, I think the video should usually have metadata for that.

[coarse aspen]

never used an astro cam for planetary so this is all new

got it now

wasnt sure what gain and exposure to use but i think i got it

aaayyy

not bad for only being 650mm, a fully dewed secondary, (probably) out of focus a bit

and a 5" newt

im happy with it

[dark cargo]

tiny pixel size?

[coarse aspen]

uranus C, 2.9

although i did have good collimation so that helped probably

[dark cargo]

ah, definetly try barlowing it then, should be able to get it to around.... 0.23"-0.31" arcseconds per pixel resolution pretty sure.

[coarse aspen]

definitely i gotta pick up a barlow

wait a minute i just forgot, i shot that with a coma corrector too

totally un necessary for planetary but i did it

since i was imaging dso at the time

[coarse aspen]

I feel lke theres potential for a lot better. just need a barlow

[near quiver]

hey im considering purchasing a uranus c for planetary, anything i should know about

[tardy iris]

What aperture telescope do you have?

[near quiver]

8 inch

i already have a 224 that ive used for planetary so i know the basics but ive been looking for an upgrade

also my 224 is being used for guiding most clear nights now

[tardy iris]

I have the 585mc (practically the same as the uranus c) and jupiter and saturn is a bit dim on my 8" dob. I tend tto use 10ms with 380 gain for jupiter and 450 for saturn. so a bit on the high side in terms of gain but i wouldn'tt go any higher utherwise it gets too noisey and pixelated.

[near quiver]

interesting ok

[tardy iris]

It has a large full well and sensor so you need to capture more light to get the same amount on the histogram than the 224

but not a problem

i got some great images with the ubove setup

is your setup guiding?

[near quiver]

i have two, im using the 224 to guide the dso setup but my 8" is a manual dob

[tardy iris]

ah so you have the same setup as me then, do you use a 3x barlow?

[near quiver]

not yet, i only have a cheapish 2x

well i did have a 3x but it was the one that came with the powerseeker and it was so bad that it wasnt worth using, i popped the lens out to use it for a focal extender lol

[tardy iris]

i'd definitely recommend a 3x barlow with an ADC

[near quiver]

i will at some point, the only reason i havent got one is that with the 224 the sensor is so small that its almost impossible to hand track with a 3x

[coarse aspen]

good thing is that the uranus c has high resolution and wider fov

[tardy iris]

Yeah i found that with my old 120mc, the uranus c with a 3x barlow is great for manual tracking. I use sharpcap which allows me to have a small ROI but i can pan it across the sensor. Im able to capture about 7-8K frames in a minute

Jupiter and saturn are a great size in combination with a 3x barlow

[near quiver]

does sharpcap let you see what part of the sensor its cropped to so you can still track?

[tardy iris]

Yes!

Thats the great part

[near quiver]

fancy pants

i can add that to my shopping list

[tardy iris]

These are the images ive made with your setup but with a 3x barlow and ADC

so its still a really capable setup

you will not be making a mistake with your purchase

[near quiver]

im going to try to pick up some odd jobs to afford it because i dont want to be bored all planetary season

[near quiver]

dang very nice

i might end up upgrading to a bigger dob sometime, but idk if i have space for it

i hope i get it before the sale ends! (joking because it is on sale like 90% of the time for some reason)

[tardy iris]

Yeah a 16" goto would be a cheap upgrade i think

[somber stratus]

The SW Dobs are the cheapest way into aperture. Just the way it is

Maybe not for manual, but GoTo for sure

[fading plume]

Not sure if 3x Barlow is best. Might want 2x + adc for extension

Although I kinda do regret not getting a 3x sooner. I need one for my 14”

[steep apex]

“Cheap”

I at least want an 8” for planetary

[tidal crow]

Now get the rings

[steep apex]

Requirements for that: TW’s hacks

[tidal crow]

Damian peach moment

[steep apex]

Guys wish me luck for 59° ISS pass

[white prawn]

⏲️

[barren dune]

14in dob eqplate+handtracking
Qhy5iii178c+3x barlow

4 mins derotated

[onyx garnet]

6" sct and Uranus-C

[topaz elk]

can kinda see Ina

forgot to defringe

[safe compass]

That ain't Ina

[safe compass]

I don't think so, that looks more like a coma

[topaz elk]

this is at only 1200mm so its pretty cool that i somehow got it

[topaz elk]

coma? lol

[safe compass]

Yes, where you aren't focusing all three main colors into one spot.

[topaz elk]

thats not what coma is

thats just chromatic abberation

[safe compass]

My bad, chromatic abberations.

[topaz elk]

its definitely there tho

enhanced it a bitty

[vapid depot]

@sharp ridge derotation from the night u hopped in voice w me

[sharp ridge]

Cool

[livid sierra]

I think your outline might be slightly too large, I had those artefacts on the right too, until I found out I was using a too large outline

[sharp ridge]

Change ld I think

[livid sierra]

LD was fine for me

I shrunk down my outline but kept same LD value, artefacts were gone

[safe compass]

Yep.

[steep apex]

How much frames do you guys usually get on the moons surface?

[topaz elk]

500-2000

[barren dune]

@vapid depot bangers

[heavy mirage]

Seeing so bad it actually makes me mad

[lean hearth]

Bars

[heavy mirage]

It got way better after a lil, must've been some low clouds or something

[fading plume]

Scope cooling off?

[heavy mirage]

I had my scope out there for at least 2 hours prior to shooting

[heavy mirage]

I'm sure it was mostly due to transparency

[vapid depot]

New derotation stack no more artifacts

Can’t wait to get more insane fps without data degradation

[near quiver]

hey @fading plume you use an 8" and a 585, can you show some of your pics so i have an idea of what a reasonable result is like with that setup

thats probably a very common setup but youre just the first one i thought of who uses it

[white prawn]

I know it's not @fading plume but I think this isn't unreasonable and maybe decent. #older_system_pics message

[near quiver]

Yeah I think that’s a reasonable example

I’ve been looking into buying one when I sell my eqm35

[clear pier]

this is with a 6 inch dob and a 585 so expect better than this

[white prawn]

I'm debating the merits of getting a more planetary-dedicated camera

[near quiver]

How so

[white prawn]

Well, I got the 585 to have something capable of DSO and planetary. Just wondering how much of an edge I could get if I got something that was more purpose-built for planetary.

I'm not happy w/ that most recent (and arguably comparatively best of my) Saturn image. Then again I'm trying to get from a camera built to be well capable of both planetary and DSO, set on an 8" scope, something that others have achieved with oooh I don't know ... 14" or more

[vapid depot]

asi 120mc and orion shorty 2x

lol

around 3m

3000mm

[coarse aspen]

why does every DSLR planetary shot look like it has really good resolution but 0/5 seeing?

[vapid depot]

My seeing can support bigger scope tbh

I’d for sure have a c11 if I wasn’t a dso fanatic

What currency lol

Jesus Christ

That’s bad

idk

shouldnt be that much

150 usd

and used its much cheaper. im selling it 90 usd used

41 inch telescope wtf

[fading plume]

Nah. I have had the worst seeing since I got it. So my results are about as good as a 4-6” newt.

That’s everything I’ve done

[near quiver]

Still looks good to me, do you know someone better to ask

[fading plume]

@cursive inlet

[proud mulch]

ISS shot is rookie frfr

[hasty hull]

ok

[hasty hull]

I love the feel of this Saturn shot tbh

very aesthetically pleasing

[white prawn]

👋

[hasty hull]

yo yo yo

[white prawn]

I have a little bit of a situation. Imaged Jupiter a little while ago. Seeing was possibly pretty good. Made multiple stacks. For giggles and grins I thought, I'll go big as I can and as small as I can. So for every set of data there's a stack that uses 15-16 AP and another one that uses 600+ AP.

Here's the catch. On every stack that uses 15-16 AP, there's a red background hue. On every stack that uses the 600+ AP, there's a blue background hue. In either case, I haven't been able to get through the buggered-up impact of the background hue to move along with processing the image.

Thoughts anyone?

[nova delta]

I’d recommend you to take a look @ruby tartan ‘s photos with his 8” dob. He used a qhy 462 which is only $200. I kinda doubt your rig is what’s preventing you from achieving better images

[white prawn]

I'm leaning on the strong possibility that the user still has a few things to learn. How much improvement could I get out of the camera? More detail, better colour?

[nova delta]

All I have is a 120mcs and I’ve only taken 3 pictures with it… it’s probably better to wait for one of the mega nerds to help you😅

But I do know that your camera and aperture are able to take breathtaking images

[white prawn]

So basically I suck at processing 😢

[nova delta]

All I do is stack and sharpen

[white prawn]

Same. I fought with my latest Saturn shot to get it to the point that it's at.

#older_system_pics message

[nova delta]

Pretty good overall. Maybe a bit over sharpened? Some funky colors too

But that’s some nice detail there

[white prawn]

Yeah that's the trick. To get the detail I have to sharpen, sometimes to a point that is more than ideal. Less sharpen, lose detail. more sharpen, keep detail, and also colors get a little "eh."

That tradeoff is starting to make me a bit frustrated.

[white prawn]

Okay, is this moving in the right direction?

[nova delta]

Looks a bit magenta and greeny to me

[white prawn]

Yeah, I switched to AstroSurface. I think though no matter which program it's going to be a battle when I start with a background hue

[random pecan]

Increase the counter weight on the red by like two or three clicks and the blue by like two

That might help a lil

It might make it a bit red though

[clear pier]

auto balance took you to that?

[white prawn]

Yup

[clear pier]

hmm odd, maybe rgb align?

it looks magenta ive never seen that before

[white prawn]

Blue background hue I'm dealing with

[clear pier]

send file? i can give it a shot might be fun

[white prawn]

Heh, enjoy

[topaz elk]

@white prawn

idrk what is making it hard for u to color balance

it was pretty easy for me

just set background to black point then color balance

[white prawn]

How do you set background to black point without affecting the rest of the image?

Also, did you colour balance before sharpening? I've always done sharpening then balance

@topaz elk ?

[clear pier]

autobalance goes crazy

[white prawn]

That's what I'm saying. But you seem to do the balance before sharpening, I was told the best is to sharpen then balance. Which is it?

[clear pier]

i always balance then sharpen personally

hmm i don't get why it's giving me fully green that's so odd

[white prawn]

I think it's trying to comp for the blue background hue.

[clear pier]

hmm, do you have adobe lightroom?

[white prawn]

Nope. Registax, Astrosurface, and Gimp.

[clear pier]

ah ok well as far as i know adobe lightroom is the only place to set black point? idk though

wow this data is really throwing me off it's way beyond my skill level

[clear pier]

but this has insane potential what the crap that looks insanely good the detail is like the stuff tom sent today so nicely done capturing

[topaz elk]

sorry i was busy

i think its more logical to color balance then sharpen

when you color balance you can see more details better

[topaz elk]

you have to highlight the background and click set black

[white prawn]

I don't see a way to do that unless I take it to gimp to take care of bg, then take it back to Regi/AS to balance/sharpen

[white prawn]

I tried that and it didn't seem to work for me.

[topaz elk]

you want me to show you it in a call? @white prawn

[white prawn]

OH!!!

Found it!

"Select an area" means "pick the area to be made the color"

So when I selected part of the background, the entire background went to the right color

NOW I can properly white balance

@topaz elk Please tell me I'm not overcooking it.

[topaz elk]

its pretty overcooked from my artistic viewpoint

[white prawn]

😦

Well, this is what I had after figuring out the black/white selection lever.

[topaz elk]

keep spamming it

its not effective one time idk why

[white prawn]

Yeah, I adjusted the brightness a bit

[white prawn]

Lesson learned ...

[topaz elk]

nice

[white prawn]

And this time I remembered to RGB align.

[near quiver]

Just shot my first planetary data in ages 👍

We’ll see if I remember how to cook it right

Piss poor seeing but I gotta do something

[white prawn]

I've made similar decisions for similar reason.

[near quiver]

Ugh 80 gb of data

And my laptop can’t handle an sd car for some reason so it will be at 80mb per second

Sorry 20 not 80

[white prawn]

I have an external SSD w/ USB3.

[near quiver]

So do I but my laptop can’t use it properly idk why

[white prawn]

Made this data transfer not so painful

[near quiver]

Ok I’m just going to transfer the most promising files instead of all of them

[topaz elk]

why rgb align?

[topaz elk]

what r yall capturing 💀

[white prawn]

No ADC

[white prawn]

Jupiter and Saturn

[topaz elk]

it doesn't matter tho

autostakkert and astrosurface both rgb aligns alr

[topaz elk]

no ROI?

[white prawn]

I know, and I have the check box in AutoStakkert for RGB align checked, and I've seen some significant improvement when giving it the nudge to RGB align again.

[topaz elk]

oh idk

you should stack in autostakkert @white prawn

i mean astrosurface

[white prawn]

Hm.

[topaz elk]

autostakkert has some weird debayer when it comes to images

[clear pier]

oh i've heard that aligning and sharpening in autostakkert isn't the best

[white prawn]

Hmmmm.

[clear pier]

that's what i was told when i first started this, i did notice a difference especially with sharpening quality

[topaz elk]

oh i wouldn't sharpen in autostakkert lol

it should only be used as a stacker tbh

[clear pier]

yea i use pipp for ser to avi and debayering, then as3 for stacking, then registax for sharpening

[white prawn]

Def ROI. To be fair those are all the folders even w/ extracted images from ... 33 videos. All were 800x600 roughly half were 7.4 GB AVI files and the other half were 14.9 GB SER files.

[topaz elk]

ser to avi?

you shouldn't use avi

use ser

[topaz elk]

oh idk

[white prawn]

Nope. Recorded directly to SER. Was playing w/ settings, noticed that 8-bit recorded to AVI and then 16-bit recorded to SER

[topaz elk]

steve_C2 you in 16bit? @white prawn

[clear pier]

oh wait actually?

[topaz elk]

ser has more precision im pretty sure

it has better quality

[clear pier]

literally all my images have been from avi

[white prawn]

Here's from one of the SER files

[topaz elk]

makes sense

[white prawn]

And apparently I went to 1024x768 ROI. Jupiter is ... HUGE.

[topaz elk]

i dont use trhat much tbh

each of my capture is 300mb

ROI=428x370

[clear pier]

chromatic abberation

[clear pier]

um after stacking with ser files from pipp, my wavelets get weird

[topaz elk]

whats it look like

[clear pier]

this is what's changing in the 2nd wavelet layer

first looks ok

but if i touch the others it gets messed up

here's raw stack?

i don't know what i did-

[white prawn]

Oversharpened

[uncut glade]

First man to discover the next 200 Jovian moons, congratulations

[white prawn]

#older_system_pics message

[clear pier]

yes but this has never happened to me before, it's just the first wavelet all the way up i usually push it so much farther than this

with avi files it's fine

asjfaslf i swear im so unlucky with this stuff

this is a stack from an avi with the exact same wavelets

[near quiver]

yikes not the most impressive start eh?

i mean tbf seeing was like 2/5 but still should be able to get better

[coarse aspen]

this looks like a phone image

[near quiver]

yeah i know its bad

i blame my seeing and the barlow

[coarse aspen]

thats mine with a 5" and no barlow

[near quiver]

ok you have a goated cam though

im using a 224 which is not even close

[coarse aspen]

585 best

btw collimate damn it

[near quiver]

I did bruh

[coarse aspen]

collimate better

[near quiver]

It was good

[coarse aspen]

how good

tom good?

[near quiver]

I am using a cheap ass Amazon Barlow

I didn’t come in here for you to just bully my collimation

[coarse aspen]

oh yeah you thought i was saying to collimate your newt

no not this time

[near quiver]

You did tell me to collimate it

[coarse aspen]

collimate the barlow

[near quiver]

What

[coarse aspen]

you heard me

[near quiver]

I’m not that dumb

[coarse aspen]

lmao i said something so ridiculously stupid you had no words

[near quiver]

The lens is glued in place there will be no collimation

[coarse aspen]

theres actually little alen keys

[near quiver]

No there’s not

I am still not that stupid

Also that image was taken at like 20 degrees

[coarse aspen]

thats no excuse

[near quiver]

I will take another early in the morning near zenith

[near quiver]

Yes it is

[coarse aspen]

okay it is

[near quiver]

It’s a great excuse

[coarse aspen]

it really is

[near quiver]

I could show the seeing one minute

[coarse aspen]

this was taken 1/5 seeings

the wobble so was so bad

[near quiver]

You will see how bad what I am working with is

Like idk what it is but I am 100% sure it’s not purely a skill issue

Some of it is definitely a skill issue, I have a lot to learn but not that much

Here it is, idk if this is seeing or transparency or what but there is nothing there

and that’s the best 10%!!!!

this shopping cart looking real tempting

[near quiver]

@coarse aspen look at this shit

[coarse aspen]

dude im being serious collimation

like not even bullying

[near quiver]

i collimated it

it is collimated

[coarse aspen]

partially the barlows fault too

its not even focusing

chromatic aberration so bad

[near quiver]

its not perfect but its relatively close

i am just going to purchase my problems away

[steep apex]

What’s wrong?

[near quiver]

The data is dogshit

[steep apex]

How so

[near quiver]

There is zero detail

@coarse aspen I shot without the Barlow too because I knew it was less than perfect, I’ll look at that in the morning

[steep apex]

Atmosphere looks calm, if you can’t focus perfectly then the transparency is crap

[near quiver]

Transparency looks fine, I’m shooting dso data too tonight and there’s no problems with that

I’m pretty sure I’ve narrowed it down to the Barlow and possibly imperfect collimation

The camera also isn’t doing me any favors tbf, I’ve never gotten good color out of it

And big pixels

But it’s a cheap camera so I can’t complain too much

[steep apex]

Weird

[somber stratus]

This is right. AS!3 only does half the work. I’ve always needed a touch of RGB align in Astrosurface after derotation. It’s not much, but makes a difference

[white prawn]

Would you suggest stacking w/ Astrosurface, and ... would you recommend using that program straight up?

[somber stratus]

Not for stacking. AS!3 is the best for this. I use Astrosurface for Lunar as it has deconvolution in the wavelets tab. It's also quite good for colour calibration. RS6 is totally fine for sharpening too though, it's the same maths.

I usually use Firecapture, AS!3, Astrosurface, WinJUPOS, Photoshop

[white prawn]

Me it's SharpCap, AS!3, RS6, Gimp. Though the last couple of Jupiter shots were huge challenges and Astrosurface was the more capable software to help out. There was a bad background hue that was causing huge problems when doing colour balance.
In any event, what I'm reading is that the software I use is fine; if my work comes out like junk it's b/c I suck at this, not b/c of software.

[somber stratus]

That might be with camera capture settings, the background hue. Try record with no offset or colour balance change if possible. I do all this in post processing

[white prawn]

All I did was the same thing for Jupiter and Saturn on the same night. Record at 18ms, adjust brightness and gain so that I could get a good image. No background hue w/ Saturn, Jupiter was yikes

[white prawn]

Having said that ... I think what I was able to get from processing the image with the substantial hue isn't bad really.

It's in Solar system pics

[somber stratus]

Yeah it's absolutely correctable but it's an added processing step that could potentially be avoided.

But it is odd to use the same settings and have no issue with Saturn.

[white prawn]

Unless I did have the issue w/ Saturn and it wasn't readily apparent b/c of Saturn's colours vs. Jupiter's.

Hmmm

[gray orchid]

Ayo you use the shortly 2x?

Mine seems to f up my image with all kinds of CA and generally degraded image quality.

It's not terrible but with an 8" in dob I'm resolving planetary detail no better than images I've seen taken with smaller scopes.

[vapid depot]

I do

yeah mine doesn’t seem to do that lol

[vagrant cliff]

I am looking to photo jupiter with 750d prime on 150p

I am trying the live view method

What are best settings for that

[dark cargo]

try either iso 800 or 1600, change shutter speed either using the histogram so the peak is around the center, or just find a speed at which it;s not fully white but not really faded.

[vagrant cliff]

Is that like it's says online like 1/30 to 1/60

[dark cargo]

it depends on a lot of things so you just have to figure it out yourself most likely. it's pretty easy to do through, just find out when it starts to get too bright, and where it's too dim then pick something in between.

I use around 1/300 on jupiter, and 1/60 on saturn with my 8" dob and 600d, i think mars is even 1/400ish if not less

[vagrant cliff]

Any particular reason?

[main flume]

Best image of Saturn yet

[dark cargo]

if you are talking about the last part, it's just to make sure you don't lose detail by over or under exposing the image.
for the first part how much light you get depends on the aperture of the scope, focal length you are at, quantum efficiency of the sensor, sensor pixel size, brightness per area of the object, as well as central obstruction of the scope and the reflectivity of the coatings. Technically you could figure all that out with some formula but it would be too much effort to do when you have the histogram or just can eyeball it.

[vagrant cliff]

K

[vagrant cliff]

ok

i got my vids

i have like 15 to choose from

varied settings

how to choose the best ones?

[vagrant cliff]

each like 300 frames (live view)

[dark cargo]

If you changed the video capture resolution, see which one produces the same size planet as a raw picture. That isn't too many frames tbh, but just dump a frame in gimp or registax and have a look at the histogram, the peak should be ideally on the right side somewhere closer to the middle than not.

[vagrant cliff]

um

basically

only difference is iso cus ome reason the planet increase birghtness later on?

[dark cargo]

for iso just keep it at 1600, decent balance of readnoise and dynamic range you get.

iso would make it brighter as it just multiplies the values the sensor gets.

[vagrant cliff]

so

do i just try everything out

only mix the ones within a minute of each other?

[dark cargo]

not sure how well stacking different isos would work. try to stack the same iso ones you have within 2-3 minutes

[vagrant cliff]

👍

[vagrant cliff]

heyy

i made my firsst presentable image

i just need some small advice on trying not to oversharpen, get the best out of the little etc

[dark cargo]

If you start to see a white border on the planet it's oversharpened. Probably won't be able to sharpen too much as it would be pretty noisy with a small amount of frames.

[vagrant cliff]

here. my first dslr try at plaentary and 150p!

[dark cargo]

nice! looks pretty good. I think the weird haze up top might be some internal reflection?

[vagrant cliff]

right

about that

seems since i have the heritage i back focus with truss
i think the truss was imablanced heavily to the left

had to record or right

[tidal crow]

I have some weird things going on too. Is this internal reflections too? Processed by astroniksi

[dark cargo]

On the left it's just the less lit up part of the planet, on the right I think it's something that gets worse with collimation.

[tidal crow]

Also some pretty weird colors on the right

[vagrant cliff]

whats your setup

[tidal crow]

6 inch newtonian (skywatcher star discovery 150p) neximage10 cam. Alt az go to star discovery mount (came with scope)

[vagrant cliff]

by haze do you mean outside the disc or inside the disc

because mine is defo from truss tube focusing

[tidal crow]

Both inside and outside

[vagrant cliff]

able to elaborate?

[clear pier]

WOO truss back focus is so annoying

[vagrant cliff]

what is wOo

[clear pier]

a sarcastic cheer

[tidal crow]

The weird colors inside of the planet (on it) and outside of the disk on the right

[vagrant cliff]

wait

[vagrant cliff]

liek this?

this was my attempt year ago with smartphone adapter

[tidal crow]

It is pretty similar but mine has also some more aggressive goofy colouring

[vagrant cliff]

defo processing artifacts then

cus mine got hella ugly in registax wavelts :/

maybe upload a reerence pic

[tidal crow]

Like this purple color

[vagrant cliff]

ahh now i get it

u used registax?

[tidal crow]

Yes

[vagrant cliff]

k

then probably wavelets

maybe blur it out more or sharpen less

what is your sampling rate?

you using barlow?

[tidal crow]

Cuz I don't really know astroniksi's proccesing ways

He proccesed

[tidal crow]

No barlow

It may be a collimation issue but I won't get those colors then

[vagrant cliff]

check onine about the relationship of pixel size adn focal ratio

i think it mayt affect the detail levels?

[green pebble]

Use a barlow, also i used a bit more agressive processing to get more detail beacuse i forgot that your camera is way different than mine

[tidal crow]

Mine is a bit worse

Camera

[green pebble]

I know, you will get more detail with a barlow, use it please and also use a smaller ROI

[tidal crow]

By decreasing ROI you mean lowering the resolution? (1920-1200p)

Sorry my english isn't that good I speak my own language too much lol

[green pebble]

Same

[green pebble]

Yes, i think its .. OF INTREST i dont know that the R meanss!!!

[tidal crow]

Region of interest

[green pebble]

Yes probably

[steep apex]

What should I buy if I’m planning one, the skywatcher 8” flex tube or the skywatcher 8” classic

[tidal crow]

a goto 8 inch dob

Flex tube is if you are traveling a lot and classic it's chunky but no excessive light on the secondary

[steep apex]

Id rather a manual tracked dob because a goto is a little expensive for my liking

[nova delta]

flextube is awesome if you have a long imaging train

you can retract the tube to achieve focus

[white prawn]

What are you doing? Vis, planetary AP?

[white prawn]

I say that if you have to futz w/ the tube to achieve focus something ain't right.

[livid sierra]

The trusses are specifically made to be able to be locked in two different positions

[steep apex]

Planetary AP

[white prawn]

The only disadvantage to manual tracked that I've had is that the ice giants are a bit of a challenge

[hasty hull]

Moon and Mars post occultation just now, broad daylight