Planetary Imaging

[jolly ice]

can someone tell me what did i do wrong in autostakkert?

@somber stratus ...?

[somber stratus]

i cant help you with a single picture, you need to show the settings

[ruby tartan]

Stacking problem, maybe there is a buggy frame

[jolly ice]

nvm i fixed it , i had to change the stacking %

[ruby tartan]

When stacking, check all the files that are going to be stacked and see if none of them have a problem (cut in half)

[ruby tartan]

It was probably a problem with some frame

[jolly ice]

oh

phone ap sucks

[hasty hull]

It can be decent

[jolly ice]

if the weather is even slighty bad , so yea it ruins everything

• to get that annoying planet in the frame is so annoying 💀

[hasty hull]

Mars this morning

[ruby tartan]

👌

[somber stratus]

20° altitude, best seeing i've had in visual wavelengths. 20th sept.

[sharp ridge]

dustyboi

[ruby tartan]

What are the coordinates of this storm?

[somber stratus]

It's right next to Valles Marineris

you can see the valley here in the centre

filled with dust

might recognise it in this orientation

[ruby tartan]

Thks

[coarse aspen]

this is some of the most clear saturn I have seen

[bleak sierra]

love these videos

[somber stratus]

#older_system_pics message Jupiter one

Osiris & Galileo regio in the live view

[coarse aspen]

bad seeing

you can really tell the seeing is bad

[sharp ridge]

@ruby tartan How do you send images to alpo-j? I see you have submitted images there. So you just send an email to them?

[topaz elk]

derotated

[surreal palm]

Guys, I always get Not bad vids of Jupiter. However, when I put them on PIPP they are super bad, Why is that the case?

Normal vid

Stacked, and edited in registax6 pic:

[surreal palm]

However, when I imaged Saturn I got this

Why is Jupiter not turning out as I want it to?

[weary jungle]

@somber stratus Are you debayering in fire capture or do you do it in Autostakkert/PIPP? Also is debayering in Firecapture not a good idea?

[somber stratus]

No, AS!3, and not really bc of file size.

[weary jungle]

oh ok thanks I will stop doing that then I did realize it was easier to focus with but I can just turn it on to focus then turn it off.

[coarse aspen]

perhaps exposure

[ruby tartan]

[email protected]

Just send an image with the descriptions you have on winjupos and the image as an attachment in JPG

Like this

[coarse aspen]

I'm getting excellent seeing on Wednesday and Thursday according to astrospheric

[alpine willow]

Derotated?

Oh nvm

[limpid lily]

I'm new to this so I have a lot of questions. I have a school project where I've decided to photograph planets as a project. What equipment would I need to get good/decent photographs of our closest planets? I have a canon m50 with a ef adapter that I want to use, I've manage to get some understanding of different telescopes but how do I make them work with my camera and what would be a good budget option?

[heavy mirage]

For planets, you can't go wrong with a dobsonian, preferably 8 inch, but ive seen good results with a 6 inch. They're relatively cheap, easy to use and versatile. You will want to invest in a 2x or 3x barlow and you'll be well on your way to getting solid pictures using your m50. As long as you're willing to put in the time and effort.

[ebon sage]

epic 6" res

[limpid lily]

Thanks! Will have to look in to what all you said means but this should be a solid start!

how suitable/versatile would that setup be if I would like to try other types of astrophotography? It's not a part of my project but might be interesting to explore in my free time...

[plush sonnet]

Dobs are basically only good for planetary. With tracked however you can do some DSO ig.

[limpid lily]

ok, thansk!

[fading plume]

You can get quite decent deep space results from a dobsonian with a little bit of work

You are limited to brighter targets though.

[ruby tartan]

Saturn and its moons

[ruby tartan]

Hexagon

[plush sonnet]

[limpid reef]

Guys, neat stuff going on with jupiter right now!!

@sharp ridge @somber stratus

[ruby tartan]

This is an old image

[limpid reef]

Oh i had it on august my bad

why am i always so stupid

[ruby tartan]

It's not even that, this image is not recent I think it's some probe that made it, mid-2015 maybe

Jupiter has changed a lot

[limpid reef]

oh so stellarium isnt even accurate

man thats not good

this is right now

but i guess that doesnt even exist

[ruby tartan]

Currently Jupiter does not have these formations I believe

[limpid reef]

what would be a way to view what it looks like right now accurately, without imaging it

[ruby tartan]

http://alpo-j.sakura.ne.jp/Latest/j_Cylindrical_Maps/j_Cylindrical_Maps.htm

[ruby tartan]

IR685 Saturn

[ruby tartan]

Jup

[indigo oak]

Opposition last night

[ruby tartan]

IR685 Jup

Another Jup

Another IR685

[heavy mirage]

Are those Saturn shots derotated @ruby tartan

[ruby tartan]

Yes

10 files

Like all my images

[heavy mirage]

Rodger that

Roger*

HAHA

[heavy mirage]

Does anyone know how to do local RGB alignment instead of global? Like here RGB was aligned on Jupiter, but the shift is different for the moons. I guess I could do something where I overlay the moons with the correct RGB alignment but that seems pretty illegal LOL

here is the stacked file..

[topaz elk]

@heavy mirage how do u these wide shots?

no roi

?

[heavy mirage]

I used roi, my camera default is 3096x2080 or something, but I used 2800x800

[topaz elk]

ahhh

must still be a big file tho i assume

[heavy mirage]

About 15GB per capture, not too bad

in .ser format ofc

[topaz elk]

oh yeah we have the same cam

[heavy mirage]

I was getting 80fps at that ROI which is pretty decent

[topaz elk]

what do you have USB traffic at?

[heavy mirage]

I think it was at auto I had to use my brother's laptop because mine is getting old lol, but I tend to use 75-80 turbo usb in SharpCap

[topaz elk]

ah okay

[ruby tartan]

Like this?

[heavy mirage]

Yes. What's your secret?

[ruby tartan]

Align the RGB for each object and then make a mask in photoshop

[heavy mirage]

Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking, I thought there may be a less time consuming soluton

[topaz elk]

i dont think any software does that for the whole image

[heavy mirage]

Try doing rgb alignment in registax/AstroSurface on one of the moons, then do it on Jupiter. You'll see how it affects the whole image especially when you do the do-all function

[heavy mirage]

Thanks. I'll probably do that then lol

[ruby tartan]

👍

[topaz elk]

yeah that's what i meant, it affects whole image

[heavy mirage]

Ahh, must've misunderstood your message my b

[topaz elk]

the hurricane is so close to where i live

[heavy mirage]

[topaz elk]

NOAA is prolly the best for forecasting clouds tbh

[somber stratus]

NOAA is just the GFS model though which is pretty bad for clouds & precip iirc

[ruby tartan]

Image from this year, I just processed it, I still have a lot of files here, Neptune too

22nd of this month to be more correct

[topaz elk]

yeah but you can see the satellite images so it’s a bit better if you want conditions currently and in a few hours

[coarse aspen]

how important is derotating saturn

[coarse aspen]

I want to see JWST Saturn

It would probably look beautiful

[ruby tartan]

2023

[coarse aspen]

I look forward to it

[ruby tartan]

Me too

[coarse aspen]

JWST's Neptune was some of the best image of it I've seen maybe even better than voyager imo

Neptune I mean

[ruby tartan]

Too bad they don't release it to the public.

[coarse aspen]

isnt webb's raw data available to all

or is it just neptune that got excluded?

[coarse aspen]

i'm running out of file names

i've resorted to calling my latest jupiter 'Jeep'

i cant keep coming up with names help

(terrible seeing) but does it look like i used winjupos properly?

[heavy mirage]

Looks like it, try doing rgb alignment on each stack

Before doing wj derotation

Also sharpen more when seeing is bad and then do some denoise it'll help bring out some more details

[fossil schooner]

what do you guys think

[sharp ridge]

Ganymede?

Cool

[somber stratus]

will be yeah, remember seeing this on Stellarium. Too low for me but good for US longitudes

[ruby tartan]

Bruh, I posted the images of saturn on a private forum and got a message from one of the people in charge of hubble planetary images asking not to release the images until they do

[ebon sage]

Highest level of compliment

[polar sequoia]

bro what the f

seriously best compliment ever

[coarse aspen]

Nice hubble saturn image leak

F

[ruby tartan]

Saturn Maps

[polar sequoia]

I see you like the São Paulo football team

[polar sequoia]

im a Benfica person myself

[ruby tartan]

Yeah

[ruby tartan]

As we say here in Brazil, É o TRIKAS, não tem jeito (It's TRIKAS, there's no way)

[polar sequoia]

haha

eu tbm sou pt

[topaz elk]

lunar chat went poof i guess

can’t wait for moon to go back up

[ruby tartan]

it's just inactive

[stray chasm]

This is my first Saturn picture 500 avi frames stack only use 151 of them do you think it’s good for untracked and only 151 frames?

[topaz elk]

is this 1:1?

looks compressed

[stray chasm]

Wdym 1:1 like the size?

[topaz elk]

1:1 as in the video mode is cropped proportionally

like ROI on firecapture

if it says 1920x1080p or whatever on most DSLR it's not cropping instead its resizing digitally

[stray chasm]

I used the resize image on registax

[topaz elk]

furthermore on some dslr like mine uses compression for the video file

[topaz elk]

not it's not that, ill show you

black is original sensor size, 1:1 crops it to the green but everything else is the same

[stray chasm]

Probably not I just put my camera in with a barlow I’m not a dslr btw I’m using a eyepiece camera

[topaz elk]

ohh okay, what cam is it?

[stray chasm]

https://www.amazon.com/Mugast-Electronic-Astronomy-Telescope-Microscope/dp/B082V8D6D5

[stray chasm]

This is it

[topaz elk]

personally for 151 frames thats pretty good

[stray chasm]

Thanks, do you think using more than 500 frames like doing 1000 make the picture better?

[topaz elk]

yes

[topaz elk]

wow

wow

am i a genius or what

where is my nobel prize

[ebon sage]

y so much fps bruh

if ken here rn he would tell u why its so bad

[topaz elk]

it’s cuz bad seeing so i decided to just mess around at native FL lol

native FL = bright and slow

ez fps

[ebon sage]

high fps isnt always a good thing

[topaz elk]

horrible seeing

[topaz elk]

i know i was just playing around for fun might as well

didnt break my back just to get nothing

[sharp ridge]

oof seeing

high fps in this case is good

[somber stratus]

Certified Jet stream moment

[ebon sage]

rookie amount of jet stream

[somber stratus]

I suspect that’s near 100kt idk

[ebon sage]

about what i average 😄

[sharp ridge]

[somber stratus]

In the winter yeah

As is the case here during winter too

Ken is the laughing man here

[topaz elk]

certified hurricane moment

[ebon sage]

he get infinite good seeing

[somber stratus]

Not convinced it’s infinite, he does get some pretty good altitude too on them

[topaz elk]

yeah but he gets the building heat or whatever

[ebon sage]

i get 72 on saturn at 53 and jupiter

[somber stratus]

Yeah but it’s perma hot there, even at night, there isn’t much re-radiation at all anyway

It’s like 35C to 32C

Day to night iirc

[topaz elk]

georgia gets pretty good seeing averagely and we're 1k feet in the air

[somber stratus]

We don’t talk about Mars I suppose then 🤏

[ebon sage]

not sure how high that one but i got my first visual and images of a mars disk last night 😄

[sharp ridge]

[ebon sage]

seeing was rlly bad tho

[topaz elk]

wait so we're technically looking at planets under water?

[somber stratus]

Mars smol

Well not really anymore

Mars semi smol

[ebon sage]

i think i was slightly over exposed

[sharp ridge]

mars is big now

chonke

[ebon sage]

mars

[somber stratus]

Nah, certified chonk is 20”+

Big is 15-20

[hasty hull]

Isn’t max 17” this year

[somber stratus]

Ye

[hasty hull]

Pretty good pretty good

[somber stratus]

.2*

[sharp ridge]

next time is like 14 iirc

[somber stratus]

2027 is the “lamest” opposition of the century I’ll have you know

Doesn’t even break 14”

iirc

[ebon sage]

i was over exposed ::v

[fossil schooner]

you guys cant compete with my seeing

[hasty hull]

I can see some grey markings

That’s a good sign

[ebon sage]

suprisingly

[ebon sage]

10% stack of 10k

[hasty hull]

Did it look like that in the live view

[sharp ridge]

[hasty hull]

In terms of brightness

[ebon sage]

orange disk blob

[topaz elk]

exactly a month ago

[sharp ridge]

btw dust storm starting to cover sinus meridiani i think

[hasty hull]

When was the last planetwide dust storm

[hasty hull]

Woah that’s awesome

[sharp ridge]

Next week gonna be clear again so im excited to image it

hopefully this expands

[topaz elk]

same, except next week will be full moon again damn it

[coarse aspen]

I just named my Jupiter file "Jesus"

I'm running out of ideas!!

[ebon sage]

Orionegg

dogsquid

[coarse aspen]

Hey guys what exposure should i use on mars? I mean, not like exact exposure, but relative to other planets

Like, lower or higher than jupiter

and by how much

[ebon sage]

last night i used 7-12ms

[coarse aspen]

Is that lower or higher than jupiter?

[ebon sage]

about the same but i changed gain

[topaz elk]

jupiter brightest

bad seeing

[coarse aspen]

I just imaged Jupiter right before cloud front rolled in

The seeing was better than last time

Although nothing spectacular

I did get the red spot though, I'm aligning in pipp

stack 1

1/3

[indigo oak]

Any tips for shooting Saturn? Cause it’s pretty faint I’ve gotta crank up the exposure time to see it but lose frame rate

Am I best off just going for lower fps?

[ebon sage]

Yes

[turbid shore]

Increase gain and lower the exposure but don’t increase it that much

I usually do like

50 ms exposure time and 200 gain on my asi224mc

[coarse aspen]

I'm gonna try to use a webcam for planetary imaging tonight

I don't have an adapter but I'll figure that out

[main flume]

Hello guys! Im planning to get into serious planetary imaging , like getting more clear images from the planets, my equipment is Skywatcher 8 inch dob (currently it doesnt have goto) , Canon T6 dslr,2x barlow (getting a 3x barlow soon) , and using APT (astrophotography tool) for enabling 5x or 10x liveview.

Jupiter:average seeing 2000 frames,Saturn:good seeing 4000 frames , Mars:good seeing (idk how many frames).

[hasty hull]

Good stuff

Especially for a DSLR

[topaz elk]

bad seeing last night so tried out the planet thingy

[manic bramble]

Which is nicer? Venus from last year with 8"dobby and sv105

[hasty hull]

First one imo

[wheat skiff]

Mate, that is stunning!

[somber stratus]

jesus

didnt even recognise it as Meridiani

[ruby tartan]

Thks

[ruby tartan]

Let's go

[proper oyster]

is there any one that could help me tkae imagine of jupiter cause evey attemp i tried i would get result like this on my stacked photos

[topaz elk]

what scope and cam

[proper oyster]

S20 fe

Phone

And the scope is a old 90s reflectore scope 144mm aperture and 900mm focal lenght

i think ive just realised.

hella dirty lens

[topaz elk]

i would suggest to get better focus if its not in focus

other than that i dont think you can get that much better with a phone

[proper oyster]

@topaz elk here my scope

In my lens i can see jupiter but it very wobbly and when i focuse it. Dead on but when i get the imagrs i just get very blury stuff

[ruby tartan]

Io

Apparently there's something there

All files have this same bright spot on the right

[sharp ridge]

progress

[ruby tartan]

Nice

Saturn in the last minutes of the month of September

[ruby tartan]

I'll try to record this storm today

@sharp ridge Is the storm visible from this position?

[sharp ridge]

dont think so, this is the side that is no covered

wait sry think this is the sinus lacus on the right so yeah you can see it

@ruby tartan

[ruby tartan]

I think I can capture Mars this time, I'll try

[ruby tartan]

I don't think I made it, but at least I captured mount olympus

[sharp ridge]

8" really struggles

[vagrant cliff]

Is that a powerseeker/ astromaster??

[vagrant cliff]

Ohh I get it

It's a old telescope, prob has a spherical mirror so the spherical aberration is messing with focus

[wheat skiff]

This is sensational mate!

[manic pecan]

Hi guys

I am new

[cloud copper]

Is a nikon d3000 good for planetary?

[ruby tartan]

Thanks

[wheat skiff]

You have some of the nicest Saturn pics I’ve seen

[ruby tartan]

Thanks man

[ruby tartan]

Planet was still low on the horizon and seeing was decent

[ruby tartan]

I think I captured some of the storm, there in the lower right corner of the planet

[topaz elk]

yes

[ruby tartan]

Now would be a good time for hubble to capture mars

[topaz elk]

@ruby tartan you can request them to

[ruby tartan]

Or rather, I can talk to the head of the OPAL program at hubble, I have her on facebook 😆

[topaz elk]

the queue would be ridiculously long tho

[ruby tartan]

Sent, now wait

[proper oyster]

I have a telescipe mirror i can swap it

[coarse aspen]

i think i had perfect seeing last night

[vagrant cliff]

prob should

[proper oyster]

already done

[ruby tartan]

JWST

[coarse aspen]

webb is going for pluto?

I was just thinking about that

[ruby tartan]

Yes

[somber stratus]

Thing is even NIRCam isn't that much better than hubble

diffraction limit in the IR is really hurting JWST in terms of resolution

compared to the mirror size comparison between Hubble & JWST.

[ruby tartan]

JWST will also capture with MIRI

I want to see saturn's record next year

[topaz elk]

saturn 3/5 seeing

[fading plume]

Nah get a webcam. IMX290 modules off AliExpress is nice

[topaz elk]

does anyone know if manual tracking is better than drift method?

since it would theoretically get more frames

[ebon sage]

Drift is better I reckon

U can use the firecapture auto align to help so u don’t get any jumps in it

My planetary image quality went up by atleast 30% using drift over manual

[hasty hull]

Same

[coarse aspen]

i just let it drift and then pause and quickly re center and unpause

[topaz elk]

i see

seeing is still bad because of hurricane

dropped my collimating laser whilst trying to fix it decollimated it

[coarse aspen]

i actually got perfect seeings because of hurricane somehow

dont ask how I couldn't tell you

[topaz elk]

idk it’s prolly just a high pressure

hurricane did not come anywhere close to michigan did it?

[coarse aspen]

it did kinda\

[topaz elk]

only the outer edges like NY

[coarse aspen]

outer edges yeah

[topaz elk]

ehh

[coarse aspen]

my weather app lied

[topaz elk]

nah it’s just a high pressure

usually good seeing

[coarse aspen]

i mean the weather map showed the hurricane a bit closer than that

either way the seeing was best ive had i think

[topaz elk]

idk how to collimate this laser

u cant use a v block cuz it’s not like perfectly flat

[coarse aspen]

switch to collimation cap

[coarse aspen]

well you need something to keep it in place

[topaz elk]

i don’t have one

[coarse aspen]

while you're collimation

v block should do fine

[topaz elk]

ye but it’s not like flat you know?

[coarse aspen]

well yeah but, it doesnt have to be

[topaz elk]

idk how to explain but you know how u need at least 2 v blocks

[coarse aspen]

I have used a laser

[topaz elk]

so it doesn’t like tip over

[coarse aspen]

oh i kinda know what you're talking about

but you don't really need it

you mean 2 stacked on eachother?

either way use v-block it works

you do kinda need to hold it down a bit, but still its easy

small optics i think have a video on how to collimate with a v block

or similar objects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsgNlgIrqQ

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen how do u know which way and one to screw?

just screw the one that gets it closest to the original marked spot?

[coarse aspen]

yeah

if a screw makes it worse

dont do that screw

or just go the other way

[topaz elk]

aight thanks

[coarse aspen]

i mean you know how it works? if the collimator appears to circle then its out of collimation

[topaz elk]

yeah it’s circling

[coarse aspen]

circle as you turn it

alright

[topaz elk]

dropped it a few times from 5 feet lol

[coarse aspen]

so if it circles more if you do a screw try the other way or another screw

[topaz elk]

screw is tiny asf tho

[coarse aspen]

yea ik

[topaz elk]

idk if i even have the screw for it

[coarse aspen]

2mm right?

[coarse aspen]

i believe laser collimators have a 2mm screw u need an alan wrench

[topaz elk]

it’s like 1mm

all my allen key are like way bigger wtf

[coarse aspen]

thats smaller than my secondary mirror screws wtf

i think

and those things are tiny I wish they were thumb screws

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen lol now it’s not going in circle

but there’s a point where it goes in an L shape idek

[coarse aspen]

thats probably just u shaking it

[topaz elk]

thought so, but it happens at a specific point in the rotation

idk why

[coarse aspen]

Hmm

Yeah mine does that too it'd weird

I dont think it means anything

Maybe I'll look into it

[topaz elk]

im sure collimation doesn't have to be exactly perfect right

[coarse aspen]

It should be as close as possible sorry for my late responses

Remember this is obviously what collimates your telescope, if the collimator isn't collimated then it may as well not be a collimator

Just get it as close as possible and it's fine

Look into barlowed laser, I believe collimation being slightly off isn't as big of a deal with barlowed laser

I don't know much about barlowed laser collimation but it's supposed to be a lot more accurate

[topaz elk]

did the mirror test and it worked

so idk

[heavy mirage]

Lower left looks awfully light, is it the dust storm you were talking about @sharp ridge

[ruby tartan]

Nice

[sharp ridge]

yes

send the stacked pic

bright area is hellas and ive heard reports of dust covering that area

[ruby tartan]

Yeah, send the file to us

[heavy mirage]

I will, I'm still outside taking some pics. I might try to get my first photo of mercury 😉

[ruby tartan]

Good luck

[proper oyster]

Jupiter throught my 4inch scope with s20 phone

[sharp ridge]

Good luck, gonna image mars this morning i think and gonna find a day to go image mercury but it would be hard

[heavy mirage]

Haha yeah, October 10th would be ideal for mercury

[ruby tartan]

Never made it?

[sharp ridge]

nope since have to transport scope to get a good horizon

morning shot seems to be good tho as i can take time to collimate and cool down

[sharp ridge]

[heavy mirage]

Haha

[sharp ridge]

imaging mercury yet or wait till daytime

[heavy mirage]

Still waiting, it's probably going to only be at 10 degrees alt when I start

I'm seeing it, which filter should I use 610, 642, or 807?

@ruby tartan @sharp ridge

[hasty hull]

Seeing

[ruby tartan]

807

[heavy mirage]

Yeah, it's basically on horizon

[ruby tartan]

You have a good view of the horizon, envy, here I only get 10° of the horizon depending on the object

[hasty hull]

My horizon starts at 30°

Forest

[wheat skiff]

Mannn, you take nice planetary shots!!

[ruby tartan]

Thanks

[wheat skiff]

Credit given where credit is due!

[heavy mirage]

Looks like 💩

[hasty hull]

I can kinda see a phase

So that’s a good sign

checks out

[ruby tartan]

Perfect seeing 😍

[heavy mirage]

Seeing a bit better now @ruby tartan @hasty hull

[hasty hull]

What’s the altitude

[ruby tartan]

gud

[heavy mirage]

14 degrees, according to hand controller

[barren dune]

@sharp ridge 29

[knotty salmon]

planets are pog.

[barren dune]

Ong

Need to order some moreeeee collimation stuff please put me down

[turbid plume]

Any mono imagers here who could help me out?

I’ve got a bunch of images that are stacked and had wavelets applied, i just need to combine the mono images into rgb images. Only issue is that there are like 150 sets and I don’t want to do that manually. Is there a way to patch process that?

[knotty salmon]

so you want to stack and process each channel, then combine?

not too familiar with mono stuff

[turbid plume]

I have stacked and processed each channel, and now I need to combine them

But since I was doing a Timelapse it’s a bunch of them to do

[coarse aspen]

hows this quality graph

whys it so high

it was so windy last night

[coarse aspen]

should i stack 50% or 90%

[heavy mirage]

Quick process, I'm pretty tired the seeing wasn't that great. Here are a couple stacks if you wanna try process them. Also @ruby tartan

Crap meant to reply to @sharp ridge

[hasty hull]

Probably because all of the frames were consistently bad

[coarse aspen]

💀

[hasty hull]

How many frames is that video

[coarse aspen]

like

2784

[hasty hull]

I’d go with like 40%

[coarse aspen]

guess ill round up to 50%

damn this might be my best image

that was my previous image

oh yeaah its so much sharper

[hasty hull]

Nice

[coarse aspen]

you think my new ones better?

I think so

[hasty hull]

This is the new one right?

[coarse aspen]

yeah

[hasty hull]

Yeah that’s good

[coarse aspen]

i dont know if its because its smaller or if its just better

[hasty hull]

Both bands are way more defined

[coarse aspen]

thats what i thought

[hasty hull]

Mind sending the raw stack @coarse aspen

I kinda wanna try

[coarse aspen]

sure

its with my 5" dob and phone

[coarse aspen]

oo i got saturn last night let me check how that looks

also I just noticed you got nerd congratulations

saturn quality graph

[coarse aspen]

stack 60%? 75%?

[hasty hull]

tried my best to bring out the colors but they just arent there

[coarse aspen]

yeah for some reason my images are always black and white mostly

you brought out more color than i did tho

assuming its just phone

[hasty hull]

just adjusted saturation in Gimp

[coarse aspen]

looks a lot nicer than mine though

thanks

can you tell me how you did it?

[hasty hull]

Ye ofc

[hasty hull]

did some light sharpening in Regi, then brought it into gimp where i played around with color levels, curves and saturation

[coarse aspen]

thanks

[coarse aspen]

do you think I oversharpened in my image?

[hasty hull]

It is probably possible to remove the fringing but idk how

[hasty hull]

little bit, not too bad tho

its up to preference mostly i think

i prefer softer images but some people like to sharpen them a lot

[topaz elk]

it looks oversharpened cuz of the phone

its more like ringing than oversharpened

[hasty hull]

yeah

do you use a barlow @coarse aspen

[coarse aspen]

no im probably getting an omni barlow soon though

[hasty hull]

that will help a lot

[topaz elk]

this is with no barlow? @coarse aspen

[coarse aspen]

yeah no barlow

[hasty hull]

yeah you are undersampled i think

[turbid plume]

i just wrote a python script to do this and it seems to have worked :D

[coarse aspen]

omni barlow is good for $38 right?

[topaz elk]

i think you should drizzle for undersampled images

thats what its for right?

[hasty hull]

Yeah I think

[turbid plume]

bunch of Jupiter images :D

[coarse aspen]

maybe ill try drizzle

1.5x or 3x?

[topaz elk]

.15x

1.5x

[hasty hull]

1.5

[topaz elk]

why are they purple

[turbid plume]

uncolor calibrated, im going to do that in registax

pretty sure i can do that batch processing

[topaz elk]

did you use uv/ir?

[turbid plume]

no, just normal rgb

its just how mono images look

[coarse aspen]

jupiters turning purple?

[somber stratus]

RIP Meridiani

Syrtis Major next

[hasty hull]

Noooo

[turbid plume]

well something seems to have happened

is it possible jupiter just turned green for a few minutes during the night?

[topaz elk]

@turbid plume hmm

maybe debayer algorithm changed idk

[bleak sierra]

no. 🙂

[turbid plume]

well i have photo evidence it did

[topaz elk]

nobel prize nominee

[coarse aspen]

no way

he caught RGB jupiter

the great green spot

aint my best saturn

jupiter looked better

[gentle yew]

Don’t worry bro Jupiter was just becoming a cheap gaming pc

[turbid plume]

I had it a bit wrong, the this bit of code takes the arguments B G R and not R G B

however the images still come out with a bit of a purble hue

which goes away when color calibrated

[coarse aspen]

Do you think the color is washed out because it might be overexposed? @hasty hull

[hasty hull]

Possibly

I think the colors will be much better once you get your Barlow tho

[coarse aspen]

alright

do you think omni barlow is a good choice?

[hasty hull]

I’ve never used one so idk

[hasty hull]

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/795521-celestron-omni-2x-barlow-waste-of/ I skimmed through this and didn’t find anything horrible, but you should read it

[coarse aspen]

i assume its good for the price

looks better than much cheaper $20 barlows

like sv137

mars

[coarse aspen]

i think theres some drizle artifact but theres a tiny bit of detail

[hasty hull]

Da storm

[heavy mirage]

What filter to use when seeing is good, but transparency poor? @ruby tartan @somber stratus @sharp ridge

@bitter elbow

[ebon sage]

[somber stratus]

UV/IR still

[plush sonnet]

no, just buy a 80$ celestron X-Cel 2x barlow plz

all 20$ barlows are shit

[peak lance]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BQL1gWxHGomg3d1vKY3VaW24xw1kMOBUA3i98EJ3rUk/edit?usp=sharing for how long to image a set before you smear

[knotty salmon]

exquisite

[knotty salmon]

40 seconds on jupiter for me...

I did 150

[ebon sage]

The amount till u see Venus smear is just funny

[peak lance]

I know, but felt odd to leave it out 😄

[sharp ridge]

experimenting with stereograms

[coarse aspen]

It's $40 barlow

[plush sonnet]

ah well but budget barlows aren't good

buy a 80$ one if you can afford to

but it might be decent, just don't expect fantastic results with it

[coarse aspen]

not expecting fantastic results

[hasty hull]

My Orion TriMag was $40 new and it’s great

[plush sonnet]

some are

[plush sonnet]

then go for it

also dedicated cam or DSLR?

[topaz elk]

does this take into account the apparent size of the planets?

oh wait nvm

wouldn’t this change tho based on the time?

[topaz elk]

it’s cuz AS!3 and winjupos aren’t taken into consideration

that would prolly be almost impossible

[coarse aspen]

Planetary cam soon mars c

[plush sonnet]

then ok

[sharp ridge]

[somber stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[sharp ridge]

[sharp ridge]

although very sharp, low altitude bullsht made me only stack 10%

[knotty salmon]

WTF IS THAT SEEING

[somber stratus]

yeah, similar to what i got on Sep 21st. Moments of excellent seeing, but lower altitude blurring inbetween

legit varied from 2/10 to 9/10 over a few seconds sometimes

[coarse aspen]

imagine being lucky enough to have perfect seeing and high altitude

[somber stratus]

we're referring to low-altitude air causing periods of poor seeing. Not angular altitude of the planet

Ken gets it near zenith

[coarse aspen]

ohh

my bad

[somber stratus]

close air (low altitude) causes homogeneous blurring of the image. Higher altitude effects such as the Jet stream can be resolved as wobbles & physical wavefronts moving across the image as they are much more distant & in the same focal region as the planet itself.

[coarse aspen]

i see

how can you tell low altitude effects?

[somber stratus]

for the reason described. If the live view seems to just blur evenly, with no wobbles or wavefronts seen moving across the image, it means the wind level responsible is not in-focus. If it's not in focus, it must be very close to the scope compared to the planet itself (which you're focused on). Hence low altitude air that's close to you is the issue.

This sample of Saturn on the other hand, is mid-high altitude wind layers as you can visibly see the wavefronts of air moving across the image & are able to determine that the wind direction is left to right.

If you can see the wavefronts, they are in focus, which means they must be far away from the scope comparatively. Hence Jet Stream is likely the issue in this case.

[sharp ridge]

guess the exposure time used @somber stratus

[somber stratus]

tbh can be very long with that type of seeing

[sharp ridge]

400 frames 188ms

[somber stratus]

sounds about right

[sharp ridge]

next time 500ms

[somber stratus]

lol

then you get tracking error

[sharp ridge]

true

[somber stratus]

50ms is realistically the limit if you want tracking to be no issue at all.

[sharp ridge]

im just surprised that it was that sharp i expected it to be a blurry mess

[somber stratus]

if you used 200ms on a Jet stream-limited night then yes

[sharp ridge]

lol

[somber stratus]

but with these low altitude blurring in & out and lack of wavefronts physically moving parts of the image, it can work

[coarse aspen]

https://player-one-astronomy.com/product/mars-c-ii-usb3-0-color-camera-imx662/

is this good to pair with a 5" dob?

worth the extra price over Mars C?

[somber stratus]

Decent, depends what barlow you’re gunna use it with

[coarse aspen]

probably omni 2x barlow or gso 3x

[somber stratus]

Yeah does the job

[coarse aspen]

f/5 scope to be specific

is that one worth it over the regular Mars C though?

[somber stratus]

which one's that, the IMX462?

[coarse aspen]

yearh

[somber stratus]

both are as good as each other i would say, doesn't matter

[coarse aspen]

mars c is IMX462 and mars c II is IMX662

[knotty salmon]

That’s prolly the best seeing I’d get

[peak lance]

It will change with time. But its not going to change quickly. And im not keen to add the orbital mechanics math in there to try and keep itself up to date 😄

[coarse aspen]

need opinions which is better

they're pretty close

also stack 50% right?

[turbid plume]

I think it's pretty crazy what difference a different camera makes when doing planetary, top is an actual planetary cam and bottom is an old dslr

[turbid plume]

i think top since you can see the moon more

[coarse aspen]

Detail-wise they are identical you think?

[turbid plume]

idk if its just my eyes but I think top has a bit more detail

[coarse aspen]

alright

can you see the moon moving?

Those 5 derotated

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen seems like a wide field, you could make a mask and try to pull out more moons

not really sure if u can see others but u can try to see

[coarse aspen]

mask?

what kind of mask

[topaz elk]

i usually just make a mask of jupiter alone and the background separately

then you can pull out stars without it affecting jupiter

[coarse aspen]

think i know what you mean

let me do it

[idle hollow]

hello all my planetary imagers...

I should be able to borrow an orion xt8 dob for a couple of nights and want to try some basic planetary with the dob boi and my canon t3i. Couple of questions though. I don't know if they owners have a barlow but I have a 20mm and a 10mm eyepiece and I do not know anything about them. Would just a dslr and the dob get me decent results for a first timer like me?

[ruby tartan]

The raw files of Neptune made by the JWST are free to download

[topaz elk]

Sorry but no, you will need an adapter to the orion xt8 dob for the canton t3i

ehh seeing tonight

[coarse aspen]

same

phone zoom (very bad)

[topaz elk]

cleardarksky and astropheric lied about seeing

did not lie about clouds tho

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen make sure u have a camera and barlow by december this year

[coarse aspen]

Why? specifically december

[peak lance]

I assume mars

[topaz elk]

yeah you're in the zone

im not

[coarse aspen]

i mean mars gets almost directly overhead where i am

jupiter and saturn are so low

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen not mars but mars and lunar occultation

[coarse aspen]

ohhhh

when is that

[topaz elk]

like this

12/7/22

ur in the zone where it directly goes behind the moon

[coarse aspen]

damn

[peak lance]

That would be a hdr combination at a guess?

[topaz elk]

yes it would be hdr

[coarse aspen]

Clouds probably tbh

[topaz elk]

mars is way dimmer for sure

[coarse aspen]

I really am in the zone

I'm calling it, clouds

[coarse aspen]

probably have barlow and webcam but not dedicated camera

sadge

[topaz elk]

mars is also at full opposition on the 7th too

idk maybe rare? prolly 2 years for that to happen at least

[coarse aspen]

mars opposition is every 2 years i think

[topaz elk]

yeah

and this one is also occultation at the same date

[coarse aspen]

tho yeah mars gets really high where i am

[topaz elk]

prolly rare

[coarse aspen]

like reallllyy high

so high that it hurts to look at

[topaz elk]

mine gets all the way to 80

[coarse aspen]

let me check mine

[coarse aspen]

currently mars only gets to 70 degrees but at opposition its higher i think

let me check

[hasty hull]

Actually pretty similar in surface brightness

You’d be able to expose for both at once

[coarse aspen]

mars is 75 degrees at opposition

still high

[hasty hull]

only

[coarse aspen]

it usually gets to 360 degrees

tbh

[topaz elk]

you sure>

maybe at opposition

[hasty hull]

Yeah at opposition

[coarse aspen]

its cloudy almost all winter

maybe ill be able to see it

i pray

🙏

[topaz elk]

i bought an aluminium usb and its like 100C when i use it

[coarse aspen]

our winters are:
windy as hell
Cold as hell
cloudy as hell

eh the cold part doesnt really matter

[topaz elk]

GA winter is pretty clear and dry

[hasty hull]

Pennsylvania winter

[topaz elk]

snow is so nice tho

[coarse aspen]

its windy enough to knock over my entire telescope in the winter

50+mph wind gusts

[coarse aspen]

i think maybe idk

[hasty hull]

It’s nice as it’s snowing, but it gets really gross the day after

[topaz elk]

yeah lol

we love black ice

[coarse aspen]

i just realized i have almost a terabyte of planetary

its almost entirely pipp avi's

[topaz elk]

i would just send them to winrar or delete them

keep best ones

[coarse aspen]

probably gonna do that

i only have 300gb on my hard drive left

[coarse aspen]

beautiful

whats your camera again? @topaz elk

got the red spot

decent seeing

its not good but not bad

[topaz elk]

ASI178MC

[coarse aspen]

I'm probably getting player one mars c or mars c II

[topaz elk]

what scope?

[coarse aspen]

5" dob zhumell z130

[topaz elk]

yeah that’s fine

i have a long scope so asi462mc won’t be enough for it to last in the frame

[coarse aspen]

its f/5

scope

[hasty hull]

Mars-C

[coarse aspen]

you have mars c right?

[hasty hull]

Yup

It’s great

[coarse aspen]

what do you think about it?

[topaz elk]

what’s the sensor?

IMX462?

[coarse aspen]

imx 462

[hasty hull]

Ye

[coarse aspen]

mars c II is imx 662

[hasty hull]

It’s great and fast

[coarse aspen]

for $50 more

[hasty hull]

Looks cool too

[coarse aspen]

how heavy is it, does it weigh down your scope?

[hasty hull]

No, idk the exact weight but it’s probably under a pound

[coarse aspen]

nice

Is there anything I should know about it?

[hasty hull]

It’ll take some getting used to

Because the sensor is pretty small

[coarse aspen]

how much does it magnify? a crazy amount or is it manageable

[topaz elk]

what’s difference between mars c and mars c ii sensor

[hasty hull]

Probably the equivalent of putting in like a 9mm eyepiece

[coarse aspen]

okay thats not that bad

[coarse aspen]

yeah ive been trying to figure that out

all i know is mars c is starvis and mars c II is starvis 2

idk if mars c II is worth an extra $50

[topaz elk]

prolly not considering you have a 5” scope

won’t make that much of a difference

[hasty hull]

It’s easy until you put a barlow on it, target only stays in view for like 7s

[topaz elk]

save the $50 for future scope

[coarse aspen]

damn so how do you get longer videos

[hasty hull]

Let it drift, pause video, recenter and resume

[topaz elk]

so 7s drift?

[coarse aspen]

damn thats gonna be tough

[hasty hull]

Yeah about

[coarse aspen]

ur dob user right?

[topaz elk]

damn but you have a 6” and 3x barlow tho right

[hasty hull]

Ye

[hasty hull]

Ye

[topaz elk]

makes sense

[coarse aspen]

how do you move the scope so little

[topaz elk]

you’ll get more seconds @coarse aspen

i’d say maybe 20 seconds

[coarse aspen]

yea since willaf's scope has a longer fl right?

[topaz elk]

ye

[coarse aspen]

xt6 i think

[topaz elk]

3600?

[hasty hull]

Ye, native 1200 but I shoot at 3600

[topaz elk]

i shoot less with my 8”

only 2400

[coarse aspen]

your images are really impressive especially for 6"

[hasty hull]

Ty! I’ve improved a lot this season

I’m planning on upgrading to a 10” sometime next year

[coarse aspen]

nicee

[topaz elk]

selling the 6”?

[hasty hull]

Definitely a possibility, but I might just give it over to a friend

[topaz elk]

you still in school?

[hasty hull]

Yeah, 10th grade

I’m looking for jobs rn but I can’t drive yet unfortunately

[topaz elk]

ah i see

idk if i should upgrade since next year is my last

[coarse aspen]

forgot to mention that i successfully captured the ISS

im gonna stack soon

finally nothing went wrong, all my other attempts something had gone badly wrong

[topaz elk]

what does raw frame look like

[coarse aspen]

let me try and find a decent one

like 99% arent that good

Theres 1

Not bad

imo

[topaz elk]

oh yeah u can see solar panels

[coarse aspen]

Nhn

[turbid plume]

I’m barely in it

That’ll be fun to capture

[hasty hull]

I’m like 100 miles outside of the zone

I’ll be able to get a great Timelapse of it moving by the moon tho

[ruby tartan]

🥹

https://eco.mtk.nao.ac.jp/cgi-bin/koyomi/occulx_p_en.cgi

A site that shows all the occultations in each year

[barren dune]

@plush sonnet ive seen one of the highest res lunar shots with a 20dollar barlow lol

[ruby tartan]

Nepturo by JWST

[plush sonnet]

:O

[knotty salmon]

epic

[ruby tartan]

A 2 hour rotation of Neptune with the James Webb files, two filters used, F300M and F460M

Now highlight for the moons

[topaz elk]

can someone pin this?

[topaz elk]

no barlow was decently sharp

[idle hollow]

Yeah I have an extra

I know 100% i can put it on the dob but idk if the 20mm or 10mm eyepiece will work better

[hasty hull]

Probably the 10mm, you want more magnification for planetary

[topaz elk]

yeah i’d say 10mm

wouldn’t hurt to test both of them out

[topaz elk]

mosaic so far

no sharpening yet

[topaz elk]

behind the curtains 🤫

sharpened

[coarse aspen]

tf]

like literally behind a curtain

noise soup moon be liker

[topaz elk]

moon mosaic is probably the most time consuming and annoying thing to make

[coarse aspen]

dont you need to do it fast before the phases change?

[topaz elk]

no you do it on one night

[coarse aspen]

Wtf

This is actually the worst seeing I've ever had

"Above Average" astrospheric lied

Tf this seeing looking like a lays wavy potato chip

[topaz elk]

@coarse aspen it’s cuz sunset

ground is cooling so u get bad seeing

[knotty salmon]

@warm bay

[somber stratus]

WIP new Mars method

[topaz elk]

its really nice

[somber stratus]

Eh still needs tweaking.

[weary jungle]

I always loved these two mountains that point towards each other. What processing do you do? And what equipment?

[topaz elk]

I used AstroSurface for alignment, stacking, and wavelets. Then photoshop for some touch up in raw camera filter

[weary jungle]

Ok thanks I have tried PIPP autostakkett and registax but it seems to really mess it up with weird artifacts.

[topaz elk]

wouldn’t recommend PIPP for lunar

personally from experience astrosurface is better at lunar tracking than autostakkert

however pipp is the worst and most time it won’t recognize craters

[knotty salmon]

saturation to zero

[topaz elk]

i actually increased it 😄

[idle hollow]

without a barlow with 1200mm of focal length with a 10mm eyepiece how much focal length would I have then

[knotty salmon]

But the moon isn’t yellow

[topaz elk]

can someone remove his nerd role

everyone obviously knows the moon is made out of cheese

😄😄

[weary jungle]

Ok thanks I will have to try it out.

[knotty salmon]

oh how could I forget!

[coarse aspen]

The moon is cheese

With mold

The mold is proof it's cheese I mean look at it

[turbid shore]

Then why isn’t it yellow

[ebon sage]

It’s brown grey blue and green

Also orange

[knotty salmon]

indeed

[hasty hull]

Mars before school this morning

[hasty hull]

@ruby tartan what kind of process do you use to remove the ringing in PS?

[ruby tartan]

Clone Stamp

[somber stratus]

how do you maintain a smooth circular limb? i find clone stamp can extend the limb in small regions if you're not absolutely clinical with it & spend hours on it

[ruby tartan]

I use lower transparency and opacity so it is smooth

[somber stratus]

i see

[coarse aspen]

You got Icarus?

[hasty hull]

Never heard of that, what is it?

[coarse aspen]

The filter that blocks out the sun's light for daytime astrophotography

[blissful moss]

I can see it actually gromit

[thorn ledge]

I had a small window of shooting after a month of clouds. I was able to make 100 shots in 2 mins of an open window. I used a skymax 102 cassegrain and a svbony 305, no barlow, no nd filter or something. Do you think this is any good? staked all 100pics and i think i havent hit the optimal sharpness. The pictures where all blurry it seems. I tried to shapren it now in post processing.

[thorn ledge]

how do you get this clear and clean picture mine all look like this. It feels blurry and not so sharp. Is it an really expensive cam or and pre processing trick or something?

[topaz elk]

I’m pretty sure I have a bigger scope than yours

[thorn ledge]

so its just resoloution

[main flume]

My gso 3x barlow is arrived in 1 day😄 , i cant wait to try it with my 2x barlow too.

[thorn ledge]

a iphone 4 s makes the picture i have expected much cleaner and clearer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvCkwh_Z2I

[coarse aspen]

I'm upgrading from phone to dslr

[knotty salmon]

[coarse aspen]

I'll have planetary images in color

[fading plume]

What no

Don’t get a dslr for planetary mate

Get a webcam

Soooooo much better

[plush sonnet]

DO NOT BUY A DSLR FOR PLANETARY MY PLANET PICS ARE PROOF ENOUGH. Just buy a planetary cam like the asi224mc, which will work great for planetary and some DSO if you can DIY cool it.

[knotty salmon]

jeezus calm down man

[somber stratus]

He has a point though

[knotty salmon]

fr

[coarse aspen]

I'm not BUYING one

I'm using what I have

T rings are pretty cheap and I was getting a barlow either way

[fading plume]

hm ok. still for the price of the T ring a webcam will give you much much better results

[coarse aspen]

Alright

I forgot to mention I would be using the dslr for dso's too so it's alright I'll get an adapter for my Webcam too

Thanks though

[obtuse yew]

This is the view I'll have of the Mars occultation during opposition. Do I have any chance of capturing an animation of this with a normal planetary webcam like my asi385mc? Or would I need a real DSLR? My intuition is that the moon will be completely blown out in comparison to Mars

[coarse aspen]

Planetary camera > DSLR

Amen

[hasty hull]

Opposition Mars and the moon actually have a similar surface brightness

[somber stratus]

yup, esp the Lunar limb which is dimmer intrinsically compared to the central disc region

[obtuse yew]

This is great news. Should be able to get a good result with my normal setup

10 inch reflector, 3x Barlow, uv/ir cut filter, asi385mc

Do I want to use my ADC or not?

[somber stratus]

if possible yes, ADC is always going to improve the image(s)

[indigo oak]

This might help, I was told a while back that the max exposure time for Jupiter was 2 mins at a time

[somber stratus]

eh, you can do more like 5x this in reality. It suggests 15-seconds for my 16" Dob. I do 120s with no real issue

AS!3 is very good at aligning frames

under better seeing i drop it to 100s

[sharp ridge]

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/844120-jupiter-2022-10-02-m16-excellent-seeing/page-2#entry12197580
@indigo oak perhaps this would interest you

https://www.cloudynights.com/uploads/gallery/album_14764/gallery_338887_14764_51982.gif

as3 really does a wonderful job

[obtuse yew]

Wow so the fact that I limit myself to 60 second captures with my 10 inch is excessive

The problem comes when moons are involved. I find even at 2 minutes they start to blur

Do you guys place an alignment point on the moon? Maybe that would help

[weary jungle]

What app or website is this?

[somber stratus]

wait he did 6m captures with a 16"? I knew AS!3 was good but not that good.

damn

[obtuse yew]

Stellarium mobile. I have the paid version

[somber stratus]

yup, that's the main issue for me too

[sharp ridge]

In good seeing I just do 90secs cuz smooooth animation

[somber stratus]

yeah, although you can just extract 90s segments from a 6m capture using PIPP

[sharp ridge]

cba

[somber stratus]

lazy

[sharp ridge]

just derotate for 6min

[somber stratus]

tbf i'm limited by field rotation, 6m would never work. I needn't go over 3m tbh

[obtuse yew]

Tom is your 16 inch untracked?