Kief

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Ah fuck sorry I got that wrong

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Alright I’ll just stick to this then

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Alright sorry I admit I got angry

Just felt that from the emojis you’re using you’re sick and tired of my fucking ass

[light marsh]

nah its fine

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Like I’m being judged and fucking laughed at

[light marsh]

just trust in the list of prio we alr made

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Sorry it’s my holidays atm so I don’t have any work to do or anything

Which explains why I’m very free

[untold star]

I’ll do that

I was in a bad mood from the thought that the characters I had spent so much time and effort building on turned out to be bad

[light marsh]

aight

Any particular units u wanna use/dont use? @untold star

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Not sure yet

But I know for sure, I need a good shield, and a healer

[light marsh]

So Diona?

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Yup she’s confirmed

[light marsh]

aight

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Since I saw she’s the 2nd best behind zhongli

[light marsh]

yep

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So the current team is:

1. Diona

2. ???

3. ???

4. ???

Will edit this as it changes

[light marsh]

theres many ways u can go abt this

[light marsh]

which is why i asked

cuz i'll try to list all possible options that u can play a comp from here

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I’m interested in Bennett, I did see a YouTube video of someone using him

That means we have 2 healers 1 shield

[light marsh]

aight

[untold star]

I think I’ll keep xingqiu

[light marsh]

keep xingqiu for Hu Tao?

[untold star]

So the team can be hu tao, xingqiu, diona, Bennett?

[light marsh]

hmm

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Ayato isn’t good since his E attack makes him vulnerable

[light marsh]

if u insist on Hu Tao yeah, cuz this is mainly against the Raiden fight right?

[untold star]

So he’s out

[untold star]

Yes, but the health would be a problem

[light marsh]

What artifact set is Hu Tao using atm?

[untold star]

Crimson witch of flames, but have to rework due to low crit dmg and rate

[light marsh]

aight

and also, this is just mainly for the Raiden Fight right?

[untold star]

Yes

Is there still some hope for me?

Because I’m still stuck at the fight

[light marsh]

you'll just have to keep on farming basically

[light marsh]

also i dont know the levels of yur units here, and if u want- u can also share yur weapon list

[untold star]

Sure

[teal wind]

hi randy hi keef

[light marsh]

[untold star]

Hello rin

These are all my characters and their levels

[light marsh]

bennett 40...

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They’re low level as I wasn’t focused on building them

[light marsh]

yeah- were gonna make an investmet prio as well then

[untold star]

Did I do something wrong?

[light marsh]

ok, so for the Raiden Fight, were sticking to
Hu Tao Xingqiu Diona Bennett right?

[untold star]

I think so

[light marsh]

ok

[teal wind]

wwait kief what sur AR

[untold star]

AR 49

[light marsh]

yeah theres not much, yur basically just gonna have to keep on farming

[teal wind]

oh, then its kinda normal to be underinvested for now

takes a lot of time to build

[untold star]

Ayato’s damage is more than hu tao, but his attacks make him vulnerable to raiden, and kazuha, I’m not sure if he can be better than hu tao

So this is what I’m currently left with

[light marsh]

what combo do you do with hutao btw?

[untold star]

Team combo rn?

Kazuha, Xingqiu, Hu Tao, Qiqi

Been using Ayato lately just to test him out

[light marsh]

uhh no

the E combo for Hu Tao

one normal into charged, then jump or
two normal into charged, then jump?

[untold star]

2 normal into charged

[light marsh]

aight thats good

ok, i'll be making a list atm

[teal wind]

i remmeber the time i had low investment

i had a huge notion spreadsheet for what i had to farm

depressed times

[untold star]

I know it takes a lot of effort and time, but it’s possible to jump back to where I previously was right (that is, having more hero’s wit and mora)

[untold star]

I’m going through that rn

[teal wind]

kinda like between 45-53 u will just be suffering to farm

i think i didnt manage to hit any minmax level until ar 56

but u dont have to minmax, i super advice against minmax (until high AR)

better to just get 8 character decent investment then use them to clear ur abyss

so u get primos

SORRY RANDO IF U WERE SAYING SOMETHING

[light marsh]

Dbane 90
Fav Sword 90
Fav Bow 90
Rancour 90

Hu Tao 70/80
Hu Tao 80/90
Hu Tao 90/90

Xingqiu 70/80
Xingqiu 80/90

Diona 60/70
Diona 70/80
Diona 80/90

Bennett 60/70
Bennett 70/80
Bennett 80/90

Emblem/Shime
Noblesse
Tenacity

what are their talent levels atm?

[light marsh]

ye, its just a massive spending spree once u reach ar45 and above

[light marsh]

cuz unlock basically all of which that can improve your units till endgame

[light marsh]

aight

[untold star]

Then I can finally beat raiden’s ass for once

[untold star]

I’m intending to level up Klee and venti

Once I’m done with all of this

Then I can finally rest

[light marsh]

Hu Tao NA 6
Hu Tao E 6
Hu Tao Q 6
Hu Tao NA 8
Hu Tao E 8

Xingqiu E 6
Xingqiu Q 6
Xingqiu E 8
Xingqiu Q 8

Diona E 6
Diona Q 6
Diona E 8

[light marsh]

aight, u know what lets just add in also what artifacts u currently have for them

shinshin or not, sure

[light marsh]

uhhh u can send individual artis then we can see the stats, also with Bennett and Diona as well

atm, i'll be gone first doing something irl- but when i get back, i'll have yur answer soon

[teal wind]

u can use shinshin to snapshot all ur builds

go to enka.shinshin.moe and key in ur uid

put the characters that u want to view into ur in-game profile

enka will map from there

!!shinshin

[versed scaffold]

Compile and present your build using one of those websites: shinshin.moe or enka.shinshin.moe

[untold star]

Hold on I’m trying to find the others

[teal wind]

nwnw just put them into ur profile

[untold star]

I think for now I should farm leylines

[teal wind]

yeah

farm those first

[untold star]

I think the plan is this

1. Farm Leylines

2. Farm artifacts for Bennett and diona

3. Rework hu tao artifacts

4. Once you’ve enough mora and hero’s wit, build Bennett and diona, and rebuild hu tao for crit rate and dmg substats

5. Get healing and revival food

6. Once done, farm leylines again

7. Once you get enough mora and hero’s wit, build Klee and venti

That’s my plan

[teal wind]

i think u dont have to rework hu tao artifacts

just get a pyro goblet

u have 4 crimson already so u can off-piece the goblet

for bennett, u can just wear rainbow artis er/hp/hb or just farm a tiny bit of NO. u dont have to prioritise substats

same 4NO with fiona but er/hp/hp or hp/hp/hp depending

but if u are going to farm for hu tao, i think u can also farm for xiangling on the side

[untold star]

I’ll also be more mindful of the substats

I admit for hu tao I didn’t look into it much

crit rate and dmg should be a high priority substat for any character right

Also it’s better to wait for the 3.0 livestream than roll for yoimiya right

[teal wind]

depends on the charater, but a lot of characters appreciate atk/er also. but of course since there are easier sources of atk/er, crit usually becomes the hardest substat to stack

[teal wind]

this one will be ur option! my personal opinion... haha... i personally really dont like yoimiya even though i can use her decently. her playstyle is very boring to me, and she doesnt perform great when there are multiple enemies.

but i know a lot of people like her

for 5-stars (maybe with exception of kazuha/zhongli) there's no real must-pull value. just go for whoever u like!

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I feel that mihoyo only makes me win the 50/50 within a few pulls whenever I’m in burnout

It’s like as if they want to drag my ass back to Genshin

Which is why I’m not sure on whenever to roll for yoimiya because I’ve been saving primos for ganyu, who has a possible rerun in 3.0

Because I feel mihoyo knows I’m saving up to get her on her rerun, so it won’t give me what I want

it’s as if they can read my mind, the gacha system knows I’ve lost interest in genshin so it decided to make me win the 50/50 in just a few pulls when I roll just for fun so that I can come back to Genshin

An example of this was when I got venti and Ayato on the same day, it convinced me to start playing Genshin again and I decided to work hard to get ayaka, and in the end I got Jean

I think they knew I cared and wanted to get ayaka, so it decided not to give me her

Nowadays I’m so burnout that getting a 5* makes me go “oh ok, anyway” instead of “HOLY FUCK”

For example I got Klee on my main and diluc on my alt, and it was the same reaction

“Oh a 5*, anyway”

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Ok but aside from all of that, I want to thank you @teal wind for giving me hope again

I’ll just follow the plan

[teal wind]

oh my im so sorry i wasnt looking at the thread

[teal wind]

hahaha dont expect a 5-star u want

it is tough

slowly farm!

but the most important thing. never let a game ruin ur life

all the best

[light marsh]

"The feeling of like yur losing a lot of mora and hero wits"
Thats pretty much normal since you are alr abover ar45, wherein u start farming up good artifacts now for your units. Artifacts will be another resource sinkhole that will surely deplete almost a lot of mora, so early on- u basically just have to focus on getting the Right Mainstat and Right Set(depends on the set) for your units.

Since the goal is pretty much just surviving Raiden's Fight all over again, the requirement isnt that high as of 36 starring abyss, but with this investment priority list- it would surely help you know what to do next imo.

[light marsh]

Hu Tao Xingqiu Diona Bennett

1. Diona

(Artifacts -> if already have the Right Artifact Mainstats -> Weapon Level -> Character Level/Talent Level)

• U say that u kept on dying from her, and u want play something with a shield and heal, Diona basically fills that role for you

Weapon: Fav Bow 90/90 for more energy, otherwise Recurve Bow 90/90 for a stronger shield

• This depends on what u value more here (For now, id probs advise leveling Recurve Bow instead since energy isn't really a problem in this particular comp, and its a 3 star weapon meaning its cheaper to level vs Fav Bow. Once you start having more investment and want to start tackling on abyss seriously, switching to Fav Bow will be very beneficial as it can in turn help lower yur other units' er requirement by a bit- which can help in making yur rotation flow comfortably/letting u run more offensive subs- but again, this is for the long run and just something i want you to keep in mind)

Artifacts: Any Set, HP or ER/HP/HP or Healing Bonus mainstats

• More HP -> Stronger shield, More ER/Healing Bonus -> More consistent Heals
  (For now, I'd say its easier to stick with Triple HP mainstats since they are the most common ones to drop compared to ER and HB. Peeps can say that u can also farm 2pc Tenacity or run 4pc Noblesse, but atm- we dont have that resin luxury as we want to start with having at least a workable comp, and the faster we can make Diona work- the more time we can focus on investing into our dps units)

Recommended Levels: (E > Q)
60/70
E -> 6
Q -> 6
if 60/70 still not enough
70/80
E -> 8

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2. Bennett

(Artifacts -> If alr have the Right Artifact Mainstats -> Weapon Level -> Character Level/Talent Level)
Weapons: Rancour 90/90, or u can also get the Cursed Sword 90/90 from Kazuha's Quest

• Basically the bigger the Base ATK of the weapon, the bigger ATK buff u can receive from him

Artifacts: Any Set(Optional: 2EoSF, 4NO), ER/HP/HP or HB

• Again, HP mainstat is very common to get than Pyro DMG or Crit. This is also so that u can use him as somewhat of a tank wherein u can switch off to if u feel like the attack is lethal enough to kill Hu Tao
• Next, you'll want a lot of ER so that u can use his Burst on demand whenever you switch to him for the buff/heal (Generally id say just run whatever how much u got atm, but after u alr beat Raiden - id say get about 200+ ish ER now on him)

Recommended Levels: (Q > E)
60/70
E -> 6 be
Q -> 6
if you want to have a bit more HP and buff
70/80
Q -> 8

[light marsh]

3. Hu Tao
   (Weapon Level -> Artifacts -> If alr have the Right Artifact Mainstats -> Character Level/Talent Level)
   Weapons: Dbane 90/90

Artifacts: 4CW (if to continue farming CW), otherwise 4SR HP/Pyro/Crit Rate

• From what I see of your CW, ye its pretty bad
  DEF sands, ATK goblet, and Crit DMG circlet(Which are not the Right Artifact Mainstats to have, even if u have the Right Set)
• Getting the Right Set is not something you'd really aim for Hu Tao compared to getting the Right Mainstats. She can run 2pc2pc(with it being slightly lower than the 4pc) just as a temporary Set as u aim to farm to complete the 4pc
• Otherwise, since u think yur CW pieces are pretty bad atm, id say u can start doing SR instead as u can easily replace those CW pieces and also farm Emblem for your Xingqiu
  Recommended Levels: (NA >= E > Q)
  80/90
  NA -> 8
  E -> 8
  Q -> 6

Hu Tao Bennett Anti-Synergy

• If someone havent told u alr, Hu Tao is generally played without a healer so that u can be below 50% HP in order to activate her A4 Bonus. Bennett's Buff can help mitigate this but its still a dps loss, and once yur out of his circle - you'll lose the buff. But in your particular case, you said u struggle to clear the Raiden Fight. It doesnt have any time limit to it and what matters more is that u survive - and thats what Bennett and Diona provides.

4. Xingqiu
   (Artifacts -> if alr have the Right Artifact Mainstats -> Weapon Level -> Character Talents)
   Weapons: Fav Sword 90/90
   Generally for Sac Sword, you'd want to have at least r3 on it to proc consistently every rotation, and so at id say run Fav Sword instead.

Artifacts: 4EoSF or any 2pc2pc, ER/Hydro/Crit Rate

• You'd want to have his Burst up generally so that u can Vape most of yur Hu Tao's dmg, and that usually means you'd want to run him with a lot of ER(Generally id say go for 200+ish, which is alr possible with Fav ER and ER sands if u happen to have one available)

Recommended Levels: (Q -> E)
Q -> 8
E -> 6

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Should I show you the weapons I've?

[light marsh]

you've alr shown it noh

[untold star]

Oh

I've looked through what you said

It’s gonna take a lot of time and effort

But it’ll be worth it in the end

[light marsh]

mhm

[untold star]

I’ve 64 fragile resin

Should I use them?

[light marsh]

on farming artifacts yes

specifically on emblem, which i alr recommended

[untold star]

Sure

I know where to get them

[light marsh]

aight, goodluck then

[untold star]

Thanks!

I shouldn't give up hope yet right?

[light marsh]

hopefully not its gonna be an arduous process but- i believe

[untold star]

It’s going to feel so liberating when I finally beat raiden

That is when I can finally put my eyes on building venti and Klee

[untold star]

Here’s what I’ve got

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These aren’t high priority for now but

Is there anything I should rework on?

[light marsh]

yes there is after u finish building the 4 mentioned

[light marsh]

Level 90 weapons on all
Ayato higher talent levels
No need to level Kazu talent levels
Ayato ATK/Hydro/Crit Rate
Kazu EM/EM/EM (can even be 4 star sets)

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God damn why do I keep putting wrong substats

I really thought they were alright

[light marsh]

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I feel bad again

[light marsh]

when i said arduous, it is arduous

[untold star]

Are websites like this reliable

[light marsh]

uhh nop

would rather refer you to wfp or kqm guides

which u can find it on #・ghelp-bot-spam

like

k!ayato

[somber veldt]

Kamisato Ayato

The young but highly accomplished head of the Yashiro Commission's Kamisato Clan. Cultured and polite, he is a man of many ways and means.

[light marsh]

this is the brief infographic showing you tidbits of whats important but

u can also head over and read their x char guide in their website

[untold star]

Oh

I thought for a moment when I was looking at that website I sent eariler

I wasn’t looking hard enough

[light marsh]

there are hundred more websites yeah

[untold star]

But these are more reliable right

[light marsh]

but we couldnt verify all of them so its just better if you refer to the sources instead - which is mainly kqm for these kinds of stuff

[light marsh]

yep

[untold star]

Do u mind if I ask u to take a look at my artifacts before I put them on a character next time

[light marsh]

ye its fine

generally atm

u just have to put on the Right Mainstats for now at least

[light marsh]

then, as u can keep farming and farming, you'll eventually get better artifacts with Good/Great subs

[untold star]

And finally use some fragile resin right

[light marsh]

u should honestly

the reason why peeps hoard fragiles till ar45, is to literally farm artifacts

[untold star]

Should I complete adventure rank ascension 4 or just leave it for now

[light marsh]

do it

[untold star]

But that would make raiden tougher

[light marsh]

after you defeat raiden then

[untold star]

Ok

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How many primos is it possible to make in 2.8?

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That’s great, I’m at 8 pity currently so I’ve some hope

[light marsh]

aight

[untold star]

Really sorry for building my characters with the wrong substats

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https://youtu.be/95K75rbQDMo

Ok so I saw this vid and the team is

1. Diluc
2. Fischl
3. Zhongli
4. Barbara

So I know for a fact that Diona will remain as the shield

Not sure for the healer

The thing about Bennett is that his healing requires you to remain in that spot

which can make me more vulnerable to the shogun

Would Barbara be the better choice? Since she’s more mobile

[light marsh]

were alr sticking with bennett

[untold star]

Alright

It saddens me how I realized after so long I’ve been building them wrong

Fucking hell

[light marsh]

it is what it is

good for you that u asked here so that u now know

[untold star]

Are you bothered by my builds

[light marsh]

nop

im pretty much desensitized since ive seen a lot of it alr

[untold star]

Is it because they relied on those websites

[light marsh]

some may, some would refuse using a guide or so

[still abyss]

just jumping in real quick bc i dont think rndm mentioned it, you dont need full 5 piece sets for characters, artifact set bonuses are gained at 2 pieces and 4 pieces of the set so you can use something off set for one of your slots, this typically is the circlet or goblet since correct main stat (with or without good substats) of those pieces on the correct set are more difficult to get

[light marsh]

oh yeah good catch

[untold star]

Wait regarding hu tao

Isn’t there a risk of her dying due to her lower health in exchange for higher damage

Yes there’s a shield but it may break

But to compensate for this I’ll have to cook a lot of revival food

[light marsh]

i mean thats her playstyle

high risk high reward

but dmg isnt our concern and u only want to survive, which is what we alr discussed

[untold star]

What’s that emoji

[light marsh]

:C_TaoHehe

[untold star]

And what’s it there for

[light marsh]

mannerism

[untold star]

I change my mind, I want to survive and deal high damage so that I can get over this fight

[light marsh]

settle on a final comp then

[untold star]

Ah fuck let me think

[light marsh]

like the comp we alr discussed is a good combination of dmg and sustain

cuz hu tao does a lot when u vape, especially with n2c

[untold star]

I know what that means, 1 normal 2 charged

[light marsh]

2 normal then charged