kuki-theorycrafting

[uneven stump]

ill be running electro cup i just wondering the quality of hp versus em

[glad harness]

well, HP gives bigger heal, but not too much than EM

so both are ok

[uneven stump]

oh i dont have em yet so hp is best thank you

tho its pretty obvious shinobu is designed for intensified

[unkempt ginkgo]

ello ello, anything new abt Kuki after release?

[keen sinew]

Bro no

[cosmic isle]

What should I give Shinobu for healing? Without removing anythign from anyone

[nocturne plinth]

your unused iron sting

or freedom sworn

[glad harness]

soo many sacs

She can use sac very well too

[tiny sedge]

Hi, I know there is theory for Reverse melt Burning teams, but is there possibility for Overload + Burning team also? Pyro should stay on enemy always with burning, and Dendro aura can be consistently reapplied, so would it Intensify + Overload at same time? That way it can consistently do Overload damage + Intensify to buff the dendro character. Kuki seem like she can be okay for it?

[dreamy kite]

If Intensify is working this way, wait for Sumeru beta to start it's better :p

[glad harness]

YEs. I'm waiting to see how electro will interact with burning.

a part of me don't even want intensified to exist. Because if electro don't interact with dendro, then overload will be super busted on burning. Now I have to wait and see if electro application removes dendro or not, and how fast the dendro char can apply dendro

[tiny sedge]

I think it is okay that intensify exist ? Because burning can reapply pyro very fast 4 time per second at 2U I think . So it is possible . We should get character who can apply dendro consistently off field at some point, and then that dendro damage can be buffed from intensify while also have burn damage and overload damage

[tardy cosmos]

Overburn sounds really cool too

[unkempt ginkgo]

sadge

[upper kindle]

is Kuki's a4 passive buff to skill a flat buff like Yunjin/Shenhe?

[keen sinew]

Flat

[upper kindle]

nice. THank you

[tall parcel]

I thought electro and dendro status can coexist on a character similar to hydro and electro

[upper kindle]

is it?

[tiny sedge]

In a old video the electro it disappear

Pyro and Dendro i think can coexist though, so i think intensify + burn + overload can be at the same time if there is enough of dendro application

[unkempt ginkgo]

enough of dendro and electro

[tardy cosmos]

lemme flex

[shrewd crescent]

All I have is this

[pastel brook]

i have no kuki

[shrewd crescent]

She'll come home

Whether you want her to or not

[shrewd crescent]

Standard banner, off rate limited banner

[dull bear]

is an em circlet better than an hb circlet for kuki?

[lofty blaze]

For damage yes, for healing no.

[unique sphinx]

Now that's a lot of EM

[shrewd crescent]

Zoom's is a lot more. I'm only using this build cause I need hp for the day I get Jade Cutter

[subtle finch]

Anyone calced how much DPR Kuki does with em build and overload ?

[tiny sedge]

My Kuki she do over 20k each overload in my team, so happy and fun to play

She can overload 5 times each skill and 3 with burst so its lots of DPR but not sure how to calc exactly

[glad harness]

you can check the master sheet in the pin. But Skill alone, a C0 can overload 5 times in 15sec, C1 can do 6, and C4 is 9 times. If there are multiple enemies then overload can even happen at every E tick by alternating ICD.

[rich pagoda]

Have you tried Kaeya instead of Bennett?

Wait, might cause unwanted super conducts, nvm

[tiny sedge]

I try Kaeya before, but his duration is only 8 seconds and rotation is not smooth with him

My rotation is Bennett Q > Kuki E (activate instructor) > Xiangling Q + E > Sayu roll > Funnel Xiangling and repeat

Activate Kuki and Sayu Q whenever I have it ready but it is not important, their ER is not very high both is full EM only

[idle turret]

That's a team idea I wanted to play so bad!! Good to hear it plays out well :D

[gaunt pivot]

If you don't wait your Xiangling might miss benny's buff doing Q then E

[tiny sedge]

Yes i make sure to get buff first

[gentle nymph]

I haven’t gotten C4 yet (don’t want another Itto con or c20 Chongyun con LOL), but that seems pretty awesome. C4 proccing more often is good for both electrocharge teams and overload teams, since jn even in overload, she’ll be the consistent proccer if not Kazuha (who’s the best enabler for overload teams due to his CC and reliable pyro infusion)

[tough trout]

would 4 pc instructor be good on kuki for a low ar player

[glad harness]

I'm AR 60 and I'm using instructor. It's really good

[tough trout]

ok ty!

[tardy cosmos]

with vv she reaches 20k

[olive coral]

Isn’t kuki out already, why is there still a tc thread for her

[pastel brook]

threads/channels stay up until the character's banner ends

[meager valve]

9 times? 👀

[meager valve]

TC needs to be done and tested after the unit releases, pre release info never gives the full picture

[glad harness]

yes. that doesn't include her burst.

the burst have potential to proc more overloads but the electro application would easily overwhelm the pyro aura. this can change once dendro comes out since burning applies 2U pyro every 0.25 sec. kuki can potentially do 12-15 OL per rotation in single target alone.

[cerulean jackal]

Is it confirm 2u?

[glad harness]

yes. you can test it right now by let a samachurl burn you while you on a razor burst. Razor applies 1U electro to himself every sec

[spice sundial]

the electro would probably eat both the dendro and pyro auras

[cerulean jackal]

So razor + benny u get self overload?

Who EM the overload base on

[tawdry bone]

they alternate iirc

[gaunt pivot]

does Jean + Razor work like sunfire but electro?

[glad harness]

should be.

[magic obsidian]

yes but how would that be useful

[magic obsidian]

also thunderstorm

[gaunt pivot]

some extreme copium circle impact + claymore user, specially if swirl really gets buffed by intensified on a triple EM jean, shredding electro res for the reactions(don't remember if it works) and razors electro dmg, add a nice pain slasher for a more hybrid razor and and for the 4th slot we can think of even more copium, at this point you need to be careful to not die from copium overdose, but you have so many copium flex choices

[olive coral]

I got Kuki and I just realized that she really sucks :( her hp loss when she heals is such a problem. I can’t use her with yoimiya cause overload always knocks enemies out of her e skill range

And using her with Eula is pretty much more stressful than helpful

I still prefer Jean and yae over Kuki

[haughty mural]

Try her with xinyan and sayu
Explodey bowling ball is fun

(could use xiangling instead of xinyan but i enjoy the shield)

[hollow cairn]

kaeya too

[noble elbow]

nah low hp strats trust 🙏 if her hp is lower you're playing her better /j

[olive coral]

https://youtu.be/GnEIqBXjveY

This is probably what kuki does with the Arataki gang XD

Just goes around healing them

[dry warren]

Dark Iron's passive needs to be on-field to trigger
and the passive only increases Shinobu's ATK which makes no difference even when refined

[tardy cosmos]

costing her own life in the process

[olive coral]

So overall, would you continue using kuki shinobu?

[tardy cosmos]

yes
her overload is nice

[noble elbow]

yes
especially with dendro around the corner

[rotund otter]

If I wanted to build overload kuki with sucrose, how much healing would she still be able to do with a full EM setup? Does the EM heal boost in her second ascension affect her healing all that much or will it end up being negligible?

[tardy cosmos]

at tl90, 924 em, 24k hp (wt+tom), I do 3000 tick under 50% and 2600 above

[rotund otter]

I see, thank you

[rich pagoda]

What is her overload build? Just 2ToM/2WT?

4ToM is really boring with her in team friendship

[tardy cosmos]

so far my build is wt/tom
but that's just because I'm too lazy to farm more tom em pieces

I'm gonna farm the new em/atk for her soon

[glad harness]

A mix of WT/Emblem/ToM/Instructor. 4 Instructors can also work. 4 TF if you already have the EM pieces, but not recommended.

[rotund otter]

Mmm team building is shit, whats the Kuki reaction team rotation again? I'm trying out Xinyan + Bennett + Kuki + Sucrose for fun, but I could switch out Xinyan with Xiangling

[subtle finch]

did someone say xinyan

[rotund otter]

I wanted to try xinyans pyro shield application >.<

[tardy cosmos]

mine is kuki xiangling benny kazuha

[rotund otter]

Hmm I see

Would Xinyan Q (for max shield level) > Bennett EQ > Kuki E > Sucrose E N work?

[shrewd crescent]

It looks like it would

[tiny sedge]

Hello does anyone understand why Shinobi is able to overload every tick with burning ? I know burning apply 2U pyro very fast, but it should not affect ICD for her electro application, right ? Or is there something with 3 hit rule that allow her to overload every time

It may be interesting to do burning + overload in the future with no ICD

[sinful orchid]

she is overloading the grass, basically

[tiny sedge]

Oh I see thank you !

[small turtle]

Grass tc

[glad harness]

this is alternating ICD. basically, when there are 2 or more objects/enemies, there is a chance you can ignore the overload ICD, because individual objects are affected by icd separately

[tiny sedge]

Oh but if there is two object instead of grass, like maybe it is 2 slime, then it should overload both at same time , right? I have played EM Kuki for a while

Why is it not 2 overload at same time then for both slime and grass

[glad harness]

It will be better for me to demonstrate by video. Please wait a bit @tiny sedge

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you

[glad harness]

can you see the difference between 2 videos @tiny sedge ? This tends to happen a lot in actual combat. There more enemies there are, the more chances overload will happen more often. And this is why I think sheets tends to underestimate kuki overload dmg quite a bit in AOE situations.

[tiny sedge]

Oh i see it now thank you! It is very helpful video

She is scale better in aoe situation while sheet usually has primary target focus

Is there cap to how many time overload can affect an enemy like how swirl is cap to two swirl damage only ?

[glad harness]

an enemy can take 1 overload instance per 0.5 second, but this is already extremely hard to achieve. That also means overload cap is 1, unlike 2 for swirl and superconduct.

[tiny sedge]

I see, i was think it can be pseudo-quadratic with 2 like swirl

[glad harness]

Yeah, in sheets I think people just assume every hits connects. This leads to standard ICD even in AOE situations. But to get maximize overload dmg due to alternating ICD, at least one hit must not connect initially.

it still somewhat scales more in AOE. AOE means more overload procs anyway.

[tiny sedge]

I see so if it alternate then because overload is aoe her damage is more in practice than sheet

[glad harness]

yes

[scarlet parrot]

Full EM with 4pc instructor good?

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is what i use too

[scarlet parrot]

Pogs

[alpine dock]

Last

[tardy cosmos]

last

[small turtle]

Goodbye chat i will miss you all

except pseudo sukokomon, hurted my brain for 2 days

[tardy cosmos]

may EM Shinobu live long and prosper

[small turtle]

Zooms name almost based

But it includes sandrone and arle so

30% based

[lament cargo]

[lament cargo]

Fake simp

[pastel brook]

bye chat

[tardy cosmos]

me last

[pastel brook]

[tardy cosmos]

no

[lament cargo]

[tropic jacinth]

[timber viper]

Sadly this will close before 3.0 . See you when dendro releases

[amber plover]

ackshully me last

[tardy cosmos]

[young mesa]

[small turtle]

goodbye chat

[tiny sedge]

[tropic jacinth]

Do it

[tardy cosmos]

goodbye kuki believers

[young mesa]

🍪

[tardy cosmos]

kuki monsters

cookiepium

[unique sphinx]

Oh this channel is still alive huh

Well then farewell Kuki kopers

[tardy cosmos]

bye

[timber viper]

[glad harness]

bye

[noble elbow]

goodbye the tc channel of the best most cracked character to ever exist

[shrewd crescent]

On

[tardy cosmos]

fleek

[shrewd crescent]

[idle turret]

Goodbye fellow Kuki enjoyers, hopefully we'll see more hopium of her upon dendro's release

But even if that doesn't happen, I'm proud to be a Kuki main

[unique sphinx]

Let us all hope that Kuki will be great after Dendro release

[frosty jewel]

:((

[tardy cosmos]

cool

[spark wind]

i'm gonna keep enjoying my kuki, i love her coz she's like a bake-kurage that's following my team around. hope something comes for her soon!

[tardy cosmos]

kuki is still good for reaction dps

[spark wind]

just gonna look into the potential Kuki E + Collei E partnership

[tardy cosmos]

new artifact gud for kuki

[small turtle]

hmmm

time to calc again

[unique sphinx]

I bet TF with the new buffs is even better

Kuki procs a lot of reactions with her E and Q so TF reaction buff for Dendro reactions is pretty huge

[lime terrace]

with the new artifact sets and dendo res im guessing the gilded dreams is good on shinobu

[unique sphinx]

Guys the new Sumeru craftable sword should be a Kuki buff

[glad harness]

nice sword! amazing!

[small turtle]

There is still hope

[pastel brook]

where mods to kill this place

[tropic jacinth]

Are you not promoted high enough to do it yourself yrt?

[haughty mural]

Kuki supremacy

[idle turret]

Why not archiving instead D: have mercy

[pastel brook]

I don't have the perms and if I do I don't know how to archive

[pastel brook]

every thread and tc channel gets archived

I think you can't view though

[idle turret]

Oh! Alrighty

[lucid ginkgo]

kuki cracked forever

[tardy cosmos]

!!

[idle turret]

I'm a Kuki main and I'm proud!!

[fringe kernel]

long live kuki tc

[cerulean sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/kuki-shinobu-kuki-shinobu-genshin-cookie-nom-gif-25332350

[sinful orchid]

Is it Kuki-dendro-theorycrafting now? 🍪

[pastel brook]

[small turtle]

sayonara