kuki-theorycrafting

[gentle nymph]

Kazuha because he easily infuses pyro, and can trade back and forth overload procs with Kuki.

[glad harness]

https://youtu.be/l3OFlD38cek

1k EM, 160 ER, freedom sworn. Xiangling only has 3 pieces of artifact to nerf her damage.
So far, Kuki's decent. Elemental skill has ICD but when there are 3 or more enemies, you can easily bypass this rule. Her burst can override pyro aura sometimes.
My biggest problem is that the elemental skill has a small hit box. When Kazuha jumps, the ring can go over enemies head and misses. Or it can also misses when enemies are lifted up by kazuha.
I will do further testing tomorrow. There's still much more

[olive coral]

Is your Bennett built for dmg?

[glad harness]

both xiangling and benney only has ER

if I use my normal xiangling, mobs die too fast

[olive coral]

It honestly seems pretty good 😊 em is def the way to go for her

[glad harness]

[gaunt pivot]

ok, what are the other 2 characters

[olive coral]

C-can I see your xiangling build?

The normal one that is ><

[glad harness]

this is xiangling in the vid

[olive coral]

What about this xiangling 😅

[glad harness]

this is what I use. R5 fav 4 emblem.

[olive coral]

That attack is massive goals

I’ll go back to grinding emblem next patch

[glad harness]

https://imgur.com/grZ263b

this is full team

[lofty blaze]

How'd you get 1k EM

[glad harness]

I just use WT and the 2 pieces with most EM I can find

[olive coral]

I would have had 1k em on my kazuha too, if only it didn’t roll into def

[tiny sedge]

Got Shinobu and Gorou only 30 wishes 🥳

[lofty blaze]

Oh that makes sense. Then Freedom Sworn has very high EM too to reach it.

[olive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hunter-x-hunter-gon-freecs-sad-crying-tears-gif-16729297

[tiny sedge]

Tested she does heal in co op if circle touch the teammate

[olive coral]

Is it the same amount?

[tiny sedge]

Only other character to heal out of combat and with no burst is Kokomi so I am happy

Yes it is equal heal

[lofty blaze]

Quick make a Venn Diagram of heals

[tiny sedge]

She cap bubble with 4 player in circle

[olive coral]

I hope someone makes a video of it soon

There’s like no info on co-op kuki

[tiny sedge]

Her English skill voiceline is Stand with me

[lofty blaze]

oh yeah

[tiny sedge]

it make sense need to be very close

My shinobu tick 3300 when above 50% HP it is enough to solo heal in co op, we fight vs Shogun boss

[long frigate]

Hi anya

[tiny sedge]

Hi Ell !

[long frigate]

How is kuki?

[tiny sedge]

She is, okay healer for me

I like use her in co op to heal and I try an abyss run with her as taser and it is enough

Skill damage is 300 crit though

[long frigate]

Oh no

How are the hp mechanics?

With her cutting her own health

[amber plover]

Her healing is good enough ngl
But she's more at risk of dying herself than her own team

[tiny sedge]

If i use skill -> burst she get 1 heal tick back and it is enough to keep her alive but not over heal

[amber plover]

At least she takes basically no field time so you can just iframe and leave

[tiny sedge]

Because my Kuki is 40k hp, the heal tick is not enough to make her over 50%

[long frigate]

cool, sounds like she is usable then

[tiny sedge]

Each hit of my burst is about 1400 damage

She is usable and comfy, maybe will try her on Ayato taser also

[long frigate]

hopefully dendro will boost her utility more too

[amber plover]

Intensify sounds great with her

Her ICD lets her apply electro 5 times in her burst and it's all AoE

[tiny sedge]

I think she will be very good with a dendro main dps

Slow enough 1U electro to not overtake but consistent trigger for intensify + healer

[long frigate]

yeah that sounds like a great niche for her

[tiny sedge]

happy enough with her

[rugged pawn]

if only every other healers like qiqi and barbara does this as well

[tiny sedge]

I like it is special to Kuki in 4* co op niche .. Qiqi and Barbara have good team heal in combat

Only Kokomi can do out of combat no burst heal, but is 5* character

[rugged pawn]

niicee

[pastel brook]

mfw when kuki has more hp than my kokomi

[tiny sedge]

Kokomi is hydro damage build though its okay

I think she use Hydro cup ? not sure how is she built

[pastel brook]

your kuki looks really good

[tiny sedge]

Thank you! Farm for her very long time

[olive coral]

Anyways I’m happy, despite how unhappy I was with her at first, I feel happy knowing that she found her own niche. Not one I would use, but she does seem really cool doing all that crazy 20k overload and huge electro charged dmg

[rigid hazel]

How do I stop cookie from killing herself aaa

wow 3k heal?

[spring iron]

is that the best practical use thats been found for kokomi so far?

being able to guarantee overload triggers?

[tiny sedge]

It is her highest damage but i think build for heal still more comfortable

[tiny sedge]

I like to use her skill before use her burst and it should tick one heal for her during burst animation so she is not dying

[glad harness]

In ST, C0 gives 5 overload, C1 is 6 overload, and C4 can get 9 overload during her skill

That's very good. Just for reference, Lisa do around 10 overloads with her burst

You can get around 3 more overloads with her burst. However sometimes the burst can take over pyro aura.

against 3 or more enemies you can bypass ICD and make overload every E.

[tiny sedge]

What is probably best teammates for overload team? Bennett Xiangling Kazuha? Or is Klee better also

[cursive hatch]

so with how Kukis kit work, isnt she like triple scaling?

techincally?

[glad harness]

I tried klee. not good, at least for high mobility enemies

[tiny sedge]

Technically yes but do not build attack at all her skill multiplier is always weak

[glad harness]

Kuki xiangling kazuha benny feels the best

[cursive hatch]

i see. thank you anya!

[tiny sedge]

Okay , maybe I need to wish for Kazuha or maybe Sucrose is okay alternate

[glad harness]

I also find out that maybe kuki fishcl kazuha klee can be good. klee can build EM?

but need more testing.

[tiny sedge]

My EM right now it is 4pc instructor, that is okay to help buff for Kazuha/Sucrose right?

Sucrose can also buff Kuki EM to make her overload better

[cursive hatch]

thats fine if you dont have viridescent yeah

[tiny sedge]

Oh I mean Kuki is on 4pc instructor

Sucrose and Kuki can buff each other EM. I activate Instructor which buff Sucrose, then use sucrose E and transfer EM. both Kuki and Sucrose become over 1000

[glad harness]

oh, also, the thing with her burst is, the more enemies, the more overload it will proc

against ST it's 3

[subtle finch]

anyone calc phys kuki?

[cosmic isle]

What should I be focusing on for stats of artifacts for kuki???

[tiny sedge]

There is some phys kuki on mastersheet I think

[tiny sedge]

General build for heal it is Tenacity set with HP/HP/HB and crit rate substat for Favonius sword

[cosmic isle]

so shes hp based

[cursive hatch]

yeah

[tiny sedge]

Healing is HP mostly

[swift onyx]

50 pulls for 1 Shinobu! Finally my Shinobu in 4K, she's hot AF!

I did TotM EM/EM/EM + PJC. Very easy Abyss clear with these teams (5* C0)

[raven peak]

Does shinobu’s c4 count as skill damage?

[heady flower]

Give it to me straight, does my waifu have any use case at all because so far she feels real bad

[amber plover]

Overload comps / Eula / Ayato taser healer
That's about it

[heady flower]

I like using Eula and Ayato

So there is hope

[amber plover]

I really like Ayato/Kazuha/Yae or Fischl/Kuki
Obviously a DPS downgrade to using Fischl instead but I personally don't like running healerless unless I'm tryharding

More than works

[heady flower]

As a non-Yae haver, I will try that out

[rigid hazel]

thanks Anya

[rigid hazel]

Shinobu has the hottest midrift fr

[opal crane]

Can y'all clear something up for me because I'm starting to think I'm imagining things, didn't Kuki had a self heal on her burst ability

Did hoyo change it? I swear that was a thing in beta

[tiny sedge]

Her burst never change, it is just expensive Amber burst always

[opal crane]

I think I might have had OD on compium so hard that it made me think she healed on burst

[tiny sedge]

It will have been very nice if she can self heal on burst to avoid dying, but it is okay

Like a heal to 50% hp, but I think that is why there is C6 to not die

[rich pagoda]

oof, is this doom and gloom i hear about kuki's burst being not-super-terrific?

just an iframe/favonius proc'er?

[cursive hatch]

https://youtu.be/AfkT8sNcICY

Clam Kuki?

[rich pagoda]

that was the most boring video involving an R5 PJC i've ever seen

[cursive hatch]

[tiny sedge]

It does not do much, but for reaction team it is okay for multiple overload trigger

[rich pagoda]

ah cool, so it seems to me that at face value i'm not going to bother with electro goblet, just hp/hp/CR (not going fishing for too many CR subs to keep with a comfy fav setup)

[rigid hazel]

Should have done with r5 spindle

nvm its r5 jade

[tiny sedge]

Easy build then yes CR just will lose quite a lot of heal though.. if i remove my Healing bonus circlet i lose about 1k heal tick

[rigid hazel]

Im using cr circlet but I might switvh to healing bonus as well since her burst can proc fav

[tiny sedge]

Her burst hit a lot so it is likely to proc fav even if not that much crit rate

[rich pagoda]

i already have a CR helm leveled, i'll have to keep an eye out for what my TOM pieces roll for CR to see if i can swap to healing - i think i have a couple good healing circlets going completely unused

[tiny sedge]

Not many character use healing circlet so make sense to use one for her

[rigid hazel]

I only used it on babara before

so yeah lots of good piece

[tiny sedge]

I use it for Barbara, Qiqi, Bennett, Shinobu

[rich pagoda]

oof, i can already see how healing helm may be more beneficial

[tiny sedge]

Yeah her heal is not so high

[rich pagoda]

she's looking like a TL 1-8-1 (or 6-8-6 for cleanly "finishing" her talents)

[tiny sedge]

Yeah her burst damage not very worth to build

[haughty mural]

got my cookie

[brazen arrow]

just 699 her so her attacks can hit for like 400dmg on a crit

[distant wadi]

Is kuki good with aquila sword?

[pallid iris]

for physical kuki yes

[distant wadi]

How about her E healing? If i want to maximize that number whcih stat is more important? Hp or em

[tiny sedge]

For heal focus HP

[tulip zealot]

i wonder if it's possible to make a rev melt / overload hybrid comp with klee
kuki's electro app is kinda slow so maybe klee can sustain both reactions? specially if the 4th member is an anemo unit with pyro absorption

[tiny sedge]

klee kazuha kuki rosaria maybe ?

It can be interesting if it works but maybe difficult

[tulip zealot]

yep
the good thing is overload is pyro dmg so you don't have to "triple" swirl

sadly i don't have klee to test this

[plush mirage]

you can try bennett xl rosaria kuki

with c6 bennett you can apply extra pyro with your normals as well

[tulip zealot]

true
reminds me of the old hu tao pre-release days
people testing ICD and stuff with pyro infused XL

[forest mulch]

Not me going phys and crowning her AAs

[sinful orchid]

a decent showcase of overload Kuki someone made, Lisa overlad still seems better to me though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_cjxnQgH0

[small turtle]

has anyone tried to see if kuki E can hit enemies on venti Q?

[sinful orchid]

only the lowest enemy, not everyone

[small turtle]

[sinful orchid]

it's funny with her burst, though

[small turtle]

yeah her burst will only be hitting it for reactions

[sinful orchid]

should be 5 electro applications total for the extended burst if it's standard ICD

[small turtle]

[sinful orchid]

so basically Yae and Keqing apply electro faster on their burst, and Lisa applies more overall off-field

[small turtle]

just found out her A4 healing has a separate formula

[sinful orchid]

it's not just a flat amount based off her EM?

[small turtle]

it seems not

which is a suprise to me

need to update my healing mastersheet

oh wait nvm, im

i dont need to change anything

[small turtle]

dont mind me tcer pepega

[sinful orchid]

so far, from my understanding, she isn't better than other electro characters at building EM, it's just that her alternatives to EM builds are far worse than for the others

doesn't sound that promising for the "she will shine with dendro" line

[small turtle]

8 procs is so little

8 intensify

take it or leave it

[sinful orchid]

I really hoped for a last minute kokomi buff on her E's ICD, but HYV really wanted to make sure she couldn't be used for damage

[amber plover]

At least her entire kit is AoE so that's smth

[tulip zealot]

but she's the only electro healer*
(without considering prototype amber lisa/yae)

another team comp that might find her useful is eula maybe?
instead of going triple cryo you can go 2x cryo 2x electro now

[sinful orchid]

While her healing is higher overall than an R5 prototype Amber, getting it on who you need it when you need it is actually harder, so she isn't even a better healer in all situations

[hollow ocean]

She's looking pretty good with eula so far

[tulip zealot]

considering supports are on field for like a couple seconds per rotation
i think that is skill issue

i mean comps like VV tao don't use a healer and it's fine

[sinful orchid]

That's 1 Kuki tic, PA heals more than that in a rotation

[sinful orchid]

You bring Kuki because you absolutely NEED one, otherwise there are better options for damage

[tulip zealot]

or you only need healing for the character that is on field most of the time

[amber plover]

true

[tulip zealot]

which is what happens in tao comps
her burst only heals herself but that's fine because she's the one facetanking stuff

[amber plover]

Damn triple cryo with Zhongli is better than Kuki? I guess superconduct has more value vs high resistance enemies

[tulip zealot]

makes sense
there are a lot of sources of phys shred so it gets diminished returns quick

[amber plover]

mhm

[tulip zealot]

i imagine superconduct would be better against the ruin monsters
iirc they have like 70% phys res

[amber plover]

Yea Eula/Rosaria/Shenhe have like 50% shred just by themselves

[delicate osprey]

Does Shinobu's hitbox go airborne along with her N3 animation?

[glad harness]

ýe

my kuki misses when Kazuha jumps too

[delicate osprey]

Sorry, I meant to say if her hurtbox goes airborne. (I hate spellcheck sometimes)

[sage wind]

hi! i’m curious, will kuki be a good battery for beidou in replace for fischl?

[nocturne plinth]

half as much energy generation as fischl

and I would say less reliable

[leaden silo]

is it imaginable to have a hybrid kuki tho

not too shabby healing and not too shabby dmg

i kinda see her with heizou (if he swirls)

[haughty mural]

ok idk if anyone has tried xinyan + kuki but explosion shield is fun, i might build xinyan now

[leaden silo]

and if i do a purely em build, do i still upgrade her skill ?

[haughty mural]

sheets say hybrid is doable, just trading some healing for some reaction dmg

i'm just guessing here since i don't have a built sucrose but i'd imagine it's most effective to build full HP and use Sucrose to boost EM

[sinful orchid]

Well, for healing, the effective amount is "enough", which depends on your own gameplay, you have to find the sweet spot for yourself

[tulip zealot]

maybe some sort of quickswap taser can work with her
kaz kuki mona fischl
all 15s units
2 EM scalers*

instead of driving with sucrose/kokomi you just spam skills and bursts

iirc kaz prioritizes hydro over electro so that should help with the auras

[haughty mural]

but is "enough" the "most effective"?
am just saying since she scales better healing on HP, and there are no HP buffing characters but we do have a strong EM buffing character,
she can get both high HP and EM numbers

for good heals and reaction dmg balanced high

[swift onyx]

my Shinobu is hybrid right now: TotM EM/EM/EM PJC
good enough for the current abyss

[sinful orchid]

It's like ER, the most effective ER is "enough", then above that you only optimize for damage

[haughty mural]

i see what you are saying

[haughty mural]

how much hp does your kuki have

[swift onyx]

I'll upgrade skills to 9/9 and maybe farm TotM a few times

[haughty mural]

full EM build with almost as much HP as my kuki on pure (mostly) HP build

where do i~~ learn this power~~ get EM mainstat TotM

[swift onyx]

I was very lucky in the PJC banner (Yae). My TotM is because I also farm PF for Eula.

[haughty mural]

i farmed a PF set and TotM set for eula and ZL, and have been farming for kuki never seen an EM piece
game hates me

[lofty blaze]

Tried full EM 4pc. Instructors on taser as well, really nice. You get a healer, and the damage loss isn't massive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gq331zwN8

[swift onyx]

triple EM Shinobu is good enough for me. I tried Sunfire + Shinobu + Raiden on floor 11, triple healer , I still need to try that on floor 12 though. (Raiden C0)

[olive coral]

Kuki is what happens to a game when they try to pump out new characters every patch with no proper testing

[haughty mural]

idk kuki + xinyan + sayu is the most fun bowling ball, no complaints here

[olive coral]

I do want her for ayato tho

If I use her with ayato who would trigger electro charged? Is it ayato or Kuki?

[amber plover]

EC ownership is extremely inconsistent in all comps
You're better off just loading EM onto the anemo unit and hoping they're the ones that trigger EC most of the time

[olive coral]

EverytimE I see Kuki, I feel bad cause she could have been so good in pretty much every other element but electro :(

Imagine she was pyro or cryo

We don’t really have many pyro and cryo off field skills, so this would have been so nice

[glad harness]

Yes, it works quite well. Xinyan's range is very close though so you may have to hug enemies. Yuki ult and then Xinyan ult is pretty satisfying.

[cerulean sapphire]

@shrewd crescent

[subtle finch]

i think a team like kuki rosaria yunjin zhongli/xinyan should have promise

or bennett instead of yunjin

tho if zhongli is there you have to ask yourself why isnt he the one on field

[little forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KukiShinobuMains/comments/vhttxb/the_right_way_to_build_kuki/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[edgy ocean]

After simping and trying kuki, all i can say is she’s mediocre at best and im so hurt 😦 hoyoverse did her so dirty 😦

[olive coral]

She’s another thoma

No one can use Thoma honestly

Not even ayato

[edgy ocean]

I use thoma when i do vv hutao hehe

Only for that and nothing more 😭😭

[little forge]

Dendro hasn't released yet. We should just wait

[green wave]

thoma's tied to the hip to hu tao atleast, who's kuki tied too

[little forge]

Future dendro dps? We cannot be sure

[edgy ocean]

After testing kuki, what do you think is best for her? Pure healer or em?

[olive coral]

I mean I guess if you’re going pure pyro hu Tao, then I’d run her on shime set with yunjin and white tassel

XD

Normal attk hu Tao

[olive coral]

That’s a problem in and of itself… the fact that a characters that’s been released now is not sufficient until dendro comes out… idk people keep saying let’s wait, but it’s an issue no matter how I see it. If dendro is so ground breaking then what happens to characters like beidou and fischl who are already broken? Would Kuki really be better than those as an off field electro? Honestly they should have made her a cryo or pyro, we still need a working off field cryo and pyro skill

[shrewd crescent]

Fiine I'll spend mora 20-ing the pieces I prepared

[tulip zealot]

she is closer to xinyan than thoma imo

at least xinyan has some stuff that makes her unique

[viral marlin]

Anyone have the frames sheet?

[cerulean sapphire]

Kuki's E damage scales off attack right?

Has anyone tried how much it deals if one uses ADC?

[subtle finch]

@orchid folio

bring your idea here

[little forge]

Why do you need more cryo/pyro?

[orchid folio]

Xinyan brings phys shred and phys dmg%

we can keep the rot to 16sish with sac gsword

[viral marlin]

No frames?

[edgy ocean]

Hello, how strong is electro-charged for trimple em kuki? Planning to give her two sets: pure healer and reaction for ayato taser

[cerulean sapphire]

[orchid folio]

Kuki gets a lot of dmg% potentially

[cerulean sapphire]

What is the team here?

[orchid folio]

Kuki Rosaria Xinyan Yunjin

[tulip zealot]

why not build pyro kuki with c6 benny instead?
if you add kaz is kinda like phys but better

and it lets her do overload stuff so you still build EM while the supports give her the atk and dmg% she needs

[orchid folio]

that's a potential build

but Aquila is a great weapon for physical builds that isn't really used right now

[cerulean sapphire]

Kuki jade cutter is kind of nice as a jack of all trades for her

[subtle finch]

me gusta

[edgy ocean]

Need your help on this

[subtle finch]

whats the rotation?

YunJin energy is my onyl concern there

she might have to use an ER sands

[orchid folio]

Kuki E -> Rosaria E Q -> Xinyan Q E -> Yunjin E Q -> Kuki n4ds

yeah I agree

[subtle finch]

which isnt the end of the world

[orchid folio]

or we can reverse Xinyan and Rosaria

[subtle finch]

why xinyan QE instad of EQ?

[tulip zealot]

triple EM should be good
EC is kinda random so i can't guarantee she will be the reaction trigger but when she is it should deal good dmg

[orchid folio]

we don't want her to pulse pyro

we need superconducts

[amber plover]

Does anyone know if Kuki's C4 has no ICD or is it uses E icd?

[edgy ocean]

What do you mean by random?

[subtle finch]

[spice sundial]

EC snapshots the EM of whoever applied an element last and her application is slow so it won't do much
she is better with overload right now

[lament cargo]

How good is xinyan pyro app on shield pulses

[subtle finch]

it has no icd

applies pyro every 2s

[tulip zealot]

afaik the only element that can guarantee ownership of EC is anemo because they swirl both elements at once
with regular hydro and electro units some weird stuff happens with the auras and triggers so you can't really guarantee one unit will be the trigger

[gentle nymph]

I’m noticing that a lot of full EM builds people have are zombie sets or instructors, where’s the 4pc EM tf

[tulip zealot]

i dunno if there is more updated info on the topic but for as long as i remember EC has always been a pain to theorycraft so people usually avoid it unless it's taser

[gentle nymph]

for some reason overload dmg is a different text color but electrocharge isnt

[tulip zealot]

that's because overload does pyro dmg

instead of electro

[gentle nymph]

yeah, overload has a different text color from pyro damage

It’s darker red

[tulip zealot]

also overload clears the aura so it's easy to tc

[gentle nymph]

Electrocharge damage is the same as electro

[edgy ocean]

I see, sadly i dont see her paired with any pyro on my account now 😦 xl/bennett always go with national team, hutao/yanfei for vv boost 🙁

[gentle nymph]

purple

[subtle finch]

btw has anyone looked into using kuki with razor

to consolidate battery plus healing for him

[tulip zealot]

someone should try comboing amber + kuki burst

[subtle finch]

[tulip zealot]

for rapid fire overloads

[orchid folio]

overload has an ICD unfortunately

where enemies will not take damage from it again

[tulip zealot]

should be good
better than diona because razor doesn't like circle impact

[subtle finch]

YEP

[gentle nymph]

https://youtu.be/LfNAjiRtM7s at 4:56

[subtle finch]

but isnt rosaria circle impact i was thinkin razor rosaria shenhe kuki

[gentle nymph]

Overload benefits a lot from aoe though

[little forge]

Why not Kaeya instead of Rosaria?

[tulip zealot]

razor kaeya kuki flex

[gentle nymph]

so it seems a bit underwhelming on single target

[subtle finch]

he doesnt buff

[little forge]

You mean phys shred?

[subtle finch]

rosaira buffs CR as well

[tulip zealot]

but his burst fits razor's playstyle better

also my rosaria is c0 and kaeya is c6 dumb rng

[subtle finch]

if rosaria circle impact is too circle impact to be worth then yeah kaeya

what about shenhe is she circle impact

i dont have her not sure

[orchid folio]

the only thing circle impact is rosaria's damage

shenhe is circle impact

[little forge]

Her aoe is bigger though, no?

[subtle finch]

yyou have to be in her circle for the cr buff dont you

[orchid folio]

no

it's just casting her burst that buffs the team

[subtle finch]

oh true

[tulip zealot]

but
tbf
i think the best razor team probably uses jean c2 for the attack speed anyways

[subtle finch]

he already has 40% atk speed

[tulip zealot]

but why not more?

[subtle finch]

anything else im pretty sure is severely diminished due to hitlag

[tulip zealot]

the cap is like 170 or something

[bitter wadi]

Guys, which is better for Kuki, Iron Sting or Dark Iron Sword?? Iron Sting provides more Em but DIS provides more Atk% based on her Electro Reactions...

Also DIS looks really good on her

[tulip zealot]

i would use iron sting

[bitter wadi]

Oh ok.

[tulip zealot]

if you go EM you go all in imo, no point in getting a little bit of atk

[little forge]

Why?

[bitter wadi]

Noice. Thanks :D

[little forge]

Ah, I understood

[orchid folio]

why are the names all wrong

[little forge]

Didn't read the message properly

[subtle finch]

wrong image

[orchid folio]

the er reqs

that's fav on yun and rosaria I'm guessing

[tulip zealot]

rainbow comps are tough

[subtle finch]

only YJ

[orchid folio]

try on rosa too

it's not unreachable at least

[tulip zealot]

do you need rosa though? you have like 80% phys shred with that comp
probably overkill unless you're fighting ruin guards

[orchid folio]

if it doesn't work we'll think of another cryo to fit in somewhere for cryo resonance

[subtle finch]

who else are you gonna use

[tulip zealot]

i dunno
someone that makes the ER reqs easier

[subtle finch]

you lose 60% phys shred if you take her out

[tulip zealot]

then remove xinyan?

[orchid folio]

could consider ZL instead of Xinyan

unfortunately

[tulip zealot]

but I don't want to remove xinyan

[subtle finch]

thats gonna make er reqs worse

not better

[orchid folio]

it would potentially make yunjin's better

[orchid folio]

kuki isn't bursting so who cares

[subtle finch]

if fav rosa

[orchid folio]

that's doable

[tulip zealot]

yunjin then?

[orchid folio]

we already have yunjin you silly goose

[subtle finch]

could use bennett instead of yunjin

[tulip zealot]

i mean remove yunjin

[orchid folio]

no we're not removing yunjin

lol

my bennett is c6 don't ask me to test it

[subtle finch]

lemme calc if she can use a def sands here

[orchid folio]

she can't

not without 2pc EOSF at least

I guess that tradeoff could be worth it

[subtle finch]

even with 2 piece eosf its not quite enough

not like er/def/def suddenly makes her unusable compared to def/def/def tho

[orchid folio]

yeah I agree

more flat def subs

I think im gonna calc it

coming out of retirement

I'm using aquila tho idc no 4* swords are worth it

you all have one don't lie

[subtle finch]

team is prob gonna be a copium version of pikeli but oh well

[olive coral]

An off field cryo or pyro applicator like xingqui that can let me reverse vape with a hydro character (I.e applies pyro on normal attack hit) or a cryo off field support like kaeya that applies cryo on a normal hit or an skill that pulses like kuki’s

We don’t have those. Kaeya is the best one for consistent off field application.. or rosaria. But rosa’s q. Stays still and kaeya follows your around. I still want a pyro XQ though

Forgive my spelling, I’m too lazy to type and I’m making so many mistakes

[tulip zealot]

if you want off-field pyro sub-dps you can use XL
if you want off-field pyro enabler you can use xinyan or maybe even thoma
anemo also prioritizes pyro when absorbing element so kaz and venti can also work as enablers

[olive coral]

XL is pretty inconsistent, I want to reverse cape but most of the time she ends up being the one who vapes

[tulip zealot]

so you want to forward vape hydro?

[little forge]

That's how vapes work

Unfortunately

[tulip zealot]

yea

forward reactions (the 2x ones) are really unpractical

[olive coral]

But like you see how many units I have to use to vaporize with ayato? What if yelan was pyro instead? Could my ayato have capes 23k per slash?

[olive coral]

Isn’t that mostly because there’s not much support for the opposite? Like all pyro units have XQ or yelan now

[tulip zealot]

no
hydro is designed like that
the only forward vapes you're getting are the burst nukes like childe or mona

[little forge]

No?

[green dagger]

If Yelan was Pyro she would reverse vape instead of Ayato

[tulip zealot]

yea
she would be 5* xiangling instead of xingqiu

[green dagger]

No, thats just the way reactions work

[olive coral]

I thought it had more to do with the icd… couldn’t the icd be fixed to work with reverse vaporize teams

[green dagger]

Someone would have to apply an insurmountable amount of Pyro very quickly for someone to forward vape

[tulip zealot]

when you apply pyro to an enemy and then apply hydro it clears the elemental aura
when you do it the other way around (pyro on hydro) some hydro aura remains
this is why most reaction teams use reverse reactions

[olive coral]

Allowing hydro characters to vape instead, it’s frustrating if you don’t like electro charged much because it feels like the only reaction that’s consistently available to pyro units

[little forge]

You need sorta two Xianglings just for one hydro unit who ideally should have ICD on their hydro application

[olive coral]

So wait if I used xiangling and thoma together with ayato would I be able to vaporize with ayato?

[little forge]

Still no I suppose

[tulip zealot]

maybe if you try jean sunfire

[green dagger]

You mean Forward Vaporize, and no that wouldnt happen
We needed to have a character that applies Pyro twice as fast than a Hydro character

[olive coral]

Huh… so how can I vaporize with ayato? Or am I doomed to only use him in electro charge forever…. I hate electro charge

[little forge]

What about soup Ayato?

[olive coral]

Yea so basically a pyro XQ

[orchid folio]

kind of worse

more than a pyro XQ

[olive coral]

geez wouldn’t that fry cryo shields

[green dagger]

No, double a Pyro XQ

[tulip zealot]

the best off-field pyro enabler we have afaik is the benny + jean sunfire combo

[olive coral]

Cause Jean clears the auras right?

[tulip zealot]

but i'm not sure if it can enable forward vape

[maiden dawn]

Kuki xl bennet sucrose
kuki fischl rosaria diona
Kuki sucrose bennet fischl? Which one

[olive coral]

And let’s Benny apply pyro again

[little forge]

Because they apply pyro quite fast

[tulip zealot]

because benny applies pyro to yourself every second
then jean takes that pyro and swirls it to enemies around you

[olive coral]

I’m honestly just tired of using electro charge

[mortal forum]

You could probably get slash damage that high if you played a team focused on buffing his damage/ a mono-hydro team. Without needing to vape.

[olive coral]

So there’s absolutely no way I can make thoma work with ayato?

[little forge]

Sunfire spreads 2U of pyro, right?

[green dagger]

Tbf, Hu Tao can overpower C0 Yelan and she would vape instead
Thought that isnt very good

[tulip zealot]

i think so
it must be strong pyro to be able to keep up with ganyu's burst + CAs

[green dagger]

You can try and wait for Dendro

Burning applies 2U of Pyro per tick

[olive coral]

At this point I’ve been thinking of using yunjin, kazuha, XQ and albedo

[little forge]

Yeah, burning seems promising

[maiden dawn]

Kuki xl bennet sucrose
kuki fischl rosaria diona
Kuki sucrose bennet fischl? Which one

[green dagger]

5man team?

[olive coral]

If that happens then would I build thoma with a dendro character with ayato?

[tulip zealot]

we don't know if that will change in the future
but i am hopeful it will enable new rev melt teams, the cryo version of overvape

[olive coral]

Hahahahaa oops I forgot

[orchid folio]

1 application of hydro will end burning

[olive coral]

Ayato, albedo, XQ, yunjin

[green dagger]

No idea, I cant predict how Dendro will work later

[olive coral]

Man that sucks I always assumed ayato thoma didn’t work because ayato applied hydro too slow and thoma applied pyro too slow

[orchid folio]

ayato thoma is fine, it's just thoma is the one vaporizing

[green dagger]

Nah, Ayato applies a lot of Hydro with his Q + NAs

[orchid folio]

and he has standard icd so he isn't vaporizing much

and his ratios aren't great so it doesn't hit very hard

and.... I'll stop there

[little forge]

Forward vape is practically limited to hydro nukes

[green dagger]

Yup

[olive coral]

I would have been happy if at least some of the vaporizes would go to ayato

[little forge]

Why are you so obsessed with vaping?

[tulip zealot]

but if you use thoma you can call it a tomato comp 🍅
tomato soup even depending on the rest of the team

[green dagger]

Nah, thats impossible

[olive coral]

I think it’s a very fun comp

I enjoy it more than melt tbh

[little forge]

Have you tried Ayato soup?

[fringe kernel]

u can try sunfire if u really want to

[green dagger]

[tulip zealot]

what is soup?

[olive coral]

I did… thoma vaporizes most of the time

[little forge]

How are they different though? They work the same

[little forge]

Ayato, Fischl, Bennett, Kazuha something like that

[olive coral]

I don’t know, I don’t think it’s in the mechanics so much so I just like using hydro characters haha

[tulip zealot]

oh so overvape? but with hydro driver

[mortal forum]

is this really the right channel for this, though

[little forge]

Pyro + Hydro + Electro + Anemo

[fringe kernel]

idk ‘bout thoma on sunfire but xiangling bennett jean does work for me

kuki tc

[olive coral]

Like electro charge feels the most stale for me personally

[little forge]

You got my respect for hydro supremacy

[olive coral]

I’m sure other people enjoy playing electro charge a lot, but I prefer superconduct more than electro charge
Because superconduct feels more fun to play and requires more set up idkkk

[little forge]

I recommend you to try soup with Ayato. Many colourful numbers look amazing

[olive coral]

Of the electro reactions, I like super conduct and overload

[tawdry bone]

What's the best triple dendro comp for Kuki

[tulip zealot]

yao yao baizhu kusanali kuki best comp trust

[green dagger]

Soup isnt just EC
kazuha is gonna be proccing a lot of Overloads and Electro charged

[little forge]

Baizhu / Collei / Yaoyao

[olive coral]

Alright, I don’t have a built fischl so I’ll use raiden instead

[tawdry bone]

[fringe kernel]

“dendro will make kuki shine”

[olive coral]

Mannn I really wanted to use thoma for something

[little forge]

Do you have Itto/Xiao/Hu Tao?

[olive coral]

I can’t use him with hu Tao either… apparently I need c6 XQ

[little forge]

Ah, I see

[olive coral]

And I’ve been very unlucky with XQ constellations

:(

Still only at c3

[little forge]

Well, you can make some comp where he will proc overload

[tawdry bone]

He's gonna be in the shop soon-ish

[olive coral]

What’s a reaction you guys really love?

[tulip zealot]

none
embrace mono geo

[tawdry bone]

disgust

[olive coral]

Mine are vaporize and superconduct

[little forge]

Soup

[tawdry bone]

Swirl with EC, everything else is mid

[little forge]

Just proc almost all the reactions in the game at once

[tawdry bone]

Except maybe the ultrajuiced Sukokomon version

[olive coral]

I like anemo if there is a lot of things I can group

But I prefer normal attacks and elemental skills over bursts

[little forge]

I like freeze too

It's just too comfortable

[olive coral]

Yea that’s true! I’ve actually been enjoying the rosaria, ayaka, kokomi and sucrose team comp a lot

[little forge]

It's simpler to say what reaction I don't like and it's vape

[edgy ocean]

This is my current setup for kuki, is this ok? Shes equipped with 4totm and r1 iron sting

[olive coral]

Oh.. why? :O

[olive coral]

It looks really balanced! I’d say it’s a good build

[little forge]

Because too many casual players like big pp numbers and if reaction doesn't do big numbers, it's automatically bad

I dislike Xiangling and Bennett for the same reason

[olive coral]

I find Xiangling boring… honestly I see her too often, I do get she’s strong but I want to use someone else haha

[little forge]

I got really sick of some channels where all weapons and teammates are compared on basis of Xiangling/National team value

[tawdry bone]

Just play phys XL with Yunyin, problem solved

[little forge]

I C6'ed my Bennett specifically to limit his usage

[tulip zealot]

c6 benny actually does the opposite
expand your horizons

[little forge]

Ah, sweet old genshin where phys Xiangling with pike is her most optimal build

[tulip zealot]

enables funny stuff like pyro lavawalker zhongli main dps

[little forge]

Hm, you're actually right

[tawdry bone]

Once saw a meme lavawalker GMC build, it was surprisingly effective

[olive coral]

Or pyro reserse melt ayaka haha

[little forge]

Okay, let's pretend we discuss kuki tc

[olive coral]

Oops wrong channel XD

[maiden dawn]

Ok i will use kuki fischl yunjin rosa sounds ok?

[tawdry bone]

Wait this isn't tc-lounge

[maiden dawn]

Kuki xl bennet sucrose
kuki fischl rosaria diona
Kuki sucrose bennet fischl? Or one o the will be better

[orchid folio]

@subtle finch got through 5 N4ds and then an N3

so 23 yunjin buffed hits

on a ruin guard

[subtle finch]

Yo that’s pretty good

What was the rotation time?

[orchid folio]

I didn't do the full rot

was just testing out kuki normal string

[subtle finch]

Ah

[orchid folio]

lmao

is that timing right

like 13 seconds of kuki on field

so the dreams of a 16s rotation

why did we even bother

[maiden dawn]

No one answering my question

[maiden dawn]

Wtf is this

[orchid folio]

@subtle finch 13 n2d

but stamina consumption wise that's not sustainable

[subtle finch]

Does she have multi hits anywhere?

Or do we know the frames for each NA?

To determine best combo

[sinful orchid]

only on her CA

[subtle finch]

[green dagger]

ngl, this probably was my worst pulls in a banner ever
had to use 56 fates to get a single Kuki + didnt got a single Gorou

and ngl, it wasnt worth it

[glad harness]

I got like 10 chonyuns in a row too. I feel you.

[orchid folio]

#958686317158469653

[brazen snow]

Oh

Oops

Sorry bout that

[gentle nymph]

ugh 4 chongyuns in 50 wishes

C0 kuki it is

She's a great 4th member for an Itto team, constant reliable crystallize

[green dagger]

||not like her cons do much tbh ||

[green dagger]

yeah, thats where I plan to use her anyway

[gentle nymph]

I'd like c1 or c4

for more electro app

[green dagger]

already got a 4pc Tenacity using some fragile resins

now i'm gonna farm for Heizou stuff

||faming Onikabuto ||

[leaden silo]

when 416em kuki does 5.1k dmg in overload 🥲

[olive coral]

I guess the cookie jar wasn’t all that sweet

Maybe you ended up pulling a marmalade cookie instead of a chocolate chip one

[leaden silo]

if i gave fischl that much em, she would do much more

[green dagger]

at least she looks good

[leaden silo]

i spent 45 wishes that i saved for kazuha for kuki

and i just-

[green dagger]

but like, mine is healing 2k per tick

[olive coral]

Marmalade cookie

[green dagger]

||tho, she is only lvl 70 with lvl 6 E right now||

but the dmg is even funnier ngl
literally doing 300 per tick

[olive coral]

Well, welcome to inazuma 4 stars

What can I say except, “this was expected”

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-except-youre-welcome-gif-17875170

[leaden silo]

after thoma and kuki, no more inazuma 4 star hmpf

[olive coral]

I need someone to make a video on inazuma 4 stars

[leaden silo]

that is untill heizou drops...

i am a clown

[olive coral]

Let’s see how he is in practice… I’m hoping he’ll be good like yanfei, but… I mean I’m keeping expectations low

I feel like hoyo gave up on 4 stars

[leaden silo]

i mean pls ToT i spent too much money in this game to get bad 4 stars

but the onikabuto farming tho

[olive coral]

People are so copium these days, just admit that anytime they have a “good idea” they make it a 5 star.

Like who came up with the idea of making marmalade kuki here scale on hp, em and attk? and have her sacrifice her health… for what??

Hu Tao at least sacrifices it for insane dmg.. kuki just goes on life support cause.. kuki

Okay so I’ll heal my healer up a bit and keep her on field… oh yea but she like does triple digit dmg

[leaden silo]

for attention 💯

[olive coral]

Also, plume no guarantee that the trend is going to shift for sumeru 4 stars. We might just see a continuation of inazuma reverse power creep

[leaden silo]

ah replied to the wrong section but you get my point 🤡

fingers crossed aye

[olive coral]

We might get 1 good 4 star once in a while, but go into this with the expectation that most new 4 stars won’t be serviceable at c0. I mean compare how diona’s energy refund happens at c1 while Thomas’s energy refund requires c4

That should be enough to trigger you to the new trend

[leaden silo]

inazuma 4 stars get pretty privilege and that be it.

but gorou tho

[olive coral]

Yup gorou and yunjin are sort of the outliers. But that’s like 2 out of all the new 4 stars released. Only 2 that are brilliant supports even at c0.
Sara’s c2 should have been a part of her base kit.. honestly stupid. and she’s not really a good electro support until c6

[leaden silo]

but kuki C6 is nice, no ? she does that hu tao thing with 1HP

[tulip zealot]

eh her constellations don't do much imo

[olive coral]

And then a samachurl throws a rock at you and boom you dead again.

[sinful orchid]

imagine if you're burning, C6 procs and you die in the next 0.25s

[leaden silo]

i'm just gonna build her as HP bot and use her as a healer in a taser team

[olive coral]

Literally the dumbest mechanism… they tried to just mesh hu Tao with a healer thinking it would work but don’t put any of the strong points of hu Tao’s kit on her… there’s no increase in healing because of her e skill nothing… honestly kuki’s a messss

The last thing I need on my account is a healer who’s on life support

And does abysmal dmg when I do put her on field to heal her

First of all imagine having to heal your healer…

[tawdry bone]

So it seems her E and C4 have different ICD. Could be decent for overloads ig

But yeah her kit feels incomplete, like it's meant to proc some weapon or set that doesn't exist yet

[sinful orchid]

with Electro MC, they experimented with the battery who needs a battery, it was the logical next step

[amber plover]

She feels very centered around Electro application that has no real use outside of overload memes yet

[olive coral]

Even if it does, it doesn’t excuse how bad she is now. I’m sure dendro is meant to buff her but ironically dendro will also buff beidou and fischl too

Kokomi was not bad before the clam set, she was still a brilliant healer

The clam set made her do a good amount of dps while healing which made her even better

[amber plover]

Clam changed almost nothing for her ngl

[olive coral]

Exactly…

[amber plover]

Just improved her on field a bit

[olive coral]

Her dmg and heals genuinely feels meme worthy. I don’t care if overloads are 20k… especially when I think about how hard it is to get em main stat artifacts -_-

[amber plover]

But yet again healers that are not Bennett will continue to be comfort picks rather than the optimal DPS options and at least Kuki has a semblance of damage as a healer compared to other options

It's just that the Electro application niche is not sought after rn

[olive coral]

I use kokomi and diona more than Bennett

My Bennett just has a dps build on him

Diona has shields + healing + battery, kokomi has hydro application + brilliant healing

And Bennett has incredibly brilliant attk buffing + fast healing

Marmalade kuki has life support anxiety + mediocre healing + electro application

I don’t think anyone expects diona to do dmg, so it doesn’t make sense why people are so harsh on kuki for doing triple digit dmg

[amber plover]

I guess it is fair to judge her purely healer-wise but it's also up to preference I'd say
I'd take Kuki over Diona any day due to the more accessible healing

Diona feels clunky as hell to use too

[olive coral]

Well depends, my diona’s shields have almost perfect uptime, and I have enough er on her without an er bow that I always have her healing when I need it.

Plus, she is so tanky herself that if I ever need to have someone take a hit, I swap to her

If I swapped to kuki, she’d die first 😂😂😂

[amber plover]

They rly wanna sell the C6 smh

[tawdry bone]

It looks so damn useless tho

[tulip zealot]

diona does a lot of stuff other than heal though
she shields
reduces stamina consumption
good battery
and can buff EM with c6

[olive coral]

The c6 is dumb too, cause right after you “revive” you’ll have 1 hp and kuki’s e skill doesn’t trigger immediately, so you have to be on field for a bit with her to get her healing. Hopefully by then something else doesn’t kill you

[olive coral]

Omg yesss and normal attk speed increase!

I completely forgot XD

[tawdry bone]

no

[amber plover]

Stamina consumption and EM buff are kind useless in her most used comps though
The only DPS benefit part of her kit is the stagger resistance provided by shields which is also not really needed in Freeze

[olive coral]

Me using my diona with hu Tao for her shields cause I don’t have zhong li

[amber plover]

Double Cryo Hutao is pretty good ngl
From the best uses of Diona arguably

[tulip zealot]

in freeze just use prototype malice mona that's enough healing against enemies that can't fight back

[tulip zealot]

it's actually one of her worse comps
she loses a lot of vapes with that comp

[amber plover]

Oh yea
I just meant that Dionas full kit gets utilised there

[tulip zealot]

eula comps make good use of diona's kit
consolidates healing, shields and battery into 1 unit

[olive coral]

I think if she’s paired with Kaeya/diona and xQ, she has access to either vape or melt

Either one with 100% uptime.

If you can’t vape, melt with Kaeya, if you can’t melt, vape with XQ

[tulip zealot]

no lol she melts then the enemy gets pyro from a blood blossom and XQ has to clear that before applying hydro again

[olive coral]

I did try that combo and it was fun switching between them. I could build my XQ on more offensive stats too, cause I have time to wait for his ult

[tulip zealot]

the new double hydro comp should be better with cryo though

[olive coral]

Yea, if you have yelan and pulled for her

I didn’t

[olive coral]

I don’t mind that though, most of her hits vape or melt

[tulip zealot]

they don't though
at least not the ones that matter, the CAs

[olive coral]

And XQ doing 40k with his e skill with sac sword isn’t too bad either

[amber plover]

Alas I can see Kuki's C6 being useful in the future
Mainly the EM part considering how easy it is to trigger
She seems a very EM focused character but there's not much you can achieve with EM right now

And yes she will get buffed by Dendro as much as Beidou/Fischl but it's important to consider her kit is fully AoE

and she's still a healer

[olive coral]

https://youtu.be/rTkjif69qrY

[tulip zealot]

yea
i don't understand why they couldn't make her E have no ICD

if they want kuki to be a reaction support then don't limit her element application

[amber plover]

I guess we'll see on how good intensify actually ends up being tbh

[olive coral]

It’s colorful numbers 😂😂

[amber plover]

even Fischl has an unique ICD so she doesn't apply too much Electro

[olive coral]

They just didn’t know what to do with her and they ended up messing up her kit overall

[amber plover]

I think her kit does make sense but not with what we have rn tbh

like her burst feels like it should do SOMETHING but it doesn't really do anything rn

This has been expressed a lot with past characters actually

Unfinished kits and all of that

It's either HYV actually being lazy or them thinking a bit too far into the future without considering the now

Although it's not as if they're unusable or anything

[tulip zealot]

her burst feels like amber's burst
an element aura reset basically
issue is, i don't think we have any team comp that can make good use of that?

maybe double electro overload klee so you can VV electro and pyro
similar to how amber clears hydro in hu tao comps to VV pyro and hydro

[amber plover]

Yeah right now it's literally just for overload memes

[olive coral]

Unfinished kits feels more problematic with 4 stars though, Yae is good despite her having a high energy cost burst… I personally don’t mind that high energy cost, because most of her damage comes from e skill

[amber plover]

Her low HP burst triggers Electro like 5 times afaik

and the Radius at C1 is huge

[olive coral]

Isn’t it supposed to lock enemies in place? Did anyone try overload on smaller opponents?

Do they fly out or stay in place?

[amber plover]

I have no idea I don't do overload
I've seen some vids being posted in this channel tho

Afaik Venti is used to keep enemies from getting blown away

[grand willow]

so kuki shinobu seems pretty busted

people were dooming her a while back iirc lol

but her heal is massive and meterless and the aoe on the electro app is huge

she also scales with EM so she can deal damage pretty easily while also maintaining sangonomiya tier heals

[tulip zealot]

she's still being doomposted though

[grand willow]

also mobile ToM enabler who doesnt rely on keeping them near the turret

[tulip zealot]

man i wish i had klee to test her there

[amber plover]

Hey some positive reception

I feel the same towards her healing

It's the most comfort I've had in ages

[grand willow]

the only issue i can see with her is that her E actually doesn't tick immediately so she doesn't heal herself

[tulip zealot]

her healing isn't bad
and her electro app is strong, yes
problem is we haven't found a home for that yet

[grand willow]

which is good since it keeps her below the HP threshold and lets you transfer the full healing to the chars who actually need it

[amber plover]

Mhm

[grand willow]

but it also means she'll die if she gets touched at all while you rotate her in

since she'll have like 4k hp in most cases

[amber plover]

I've only died like 2 times switching into her but you get used to it tbh

[tawdry bone]

Why would you get used to a comfort healer character dying

That's so backwards

[amber plover]

Diona's long as heck animations have gotten me killed more times ngl

[grand willow]

her being a meterless healer with 100% uptime is also a big deal since it means she doesnt have to make any tradeoffs for ER

you can just go all in on EM or HP

[rancid rune]

how much er i need on beidou with kuki without fischl?

[tulip zealot]

can you do electro pyro double swirl with kaz in a klee comp by using the mines?
imagine something like klee E > kuki Q (cleanse pyro, apply electro) > kaz hE no plunge (swirl electro but don't reapply it back) > kaz burst (swirl and absorb pyro)

[olive coral]

My kokomi does 7k heals pls don’t say sangonomiya lvl heals with no requirement to reduce her own hp

[glad harness]

Yes, I think you can. But there is no reason to swirl electro since kuki does so little electro damage. Overload only cares about pyro shred.

maybe it can be viable when dendro comes. Hmmm, that you need to swirl electro as well

[tulip zealot]

you don't swirl electro for kuki
you swirl electro for the other electro unit

because let's be honest
no one is going to play kuki in a klee comp with bennet

so instead of double pyro you go double electro

[subtle finch]

her a4 has no icd tho making her apply insane electro

[amber plover]

ya

[heavy stump]

Does C6 also increase electro app? I am kinda clueless because I really can't see anything

too many hits

[subtle finch]

it does

it shares icd with oz's regular attacks

more c6 hits you get faster you apply electro

[olive coral]

Lol back in my day healers were the ones facetanking for the team. Since when did my dps characters have to face tank for my healer to survive

[rigid hazel]

would kuki em overload build work?

[tardy flame]

I saw some video of kuki em overload build it ticks 20k per something q

[distant wadi]

Well if you need healer to tank the dmg thats mean your healer isnt doing the healing job properly, too low healing or maybe you pushed out from the circle?

[rigid hazel]

I thought kuki apply electro too fast to be the trigger

How did she trigger overload instead of being enabler

[distant wadi]

I even saw 30k overload tick with Q

[tardy flame]

that too

[distant wadi]

Idk, you need a very strong pyro enabler, like klee

[rigid hazel]

I might have to switch to em build when dendro come so I just wont touch her for now

[rigid hazel]

I see her with yoi smh

gonna leave her at hp hp healing bonus

[distant wadi]

The thing is if kuki trigger overload the pyro can still exist on enemy

[rigid hazel]

oh..

like how much gauge does she take

I remember seeing raiden em build with yoimiya back then also

[distant wadi]

This is fun too, in my early day i use raiden em with yanfei, it deals 15k per overload

[rigid hazel]

I havent got em pieces leveled outside of vv pieces

[distant wadi]

I have some wanderer em pieces leveled, since if i go em i usually only focus on em, anemo chars is an exception tho

[rigid hazel]

oh wanderer good idea

[tulip zealot]

4p instructor is also an option
the 4* set

and ToTM still works if you want her to buff the team

[tranquil lion]

whats a good set for full EM? totm?

or 2pc totm 2pc wanderers

[glad harness]

4 instructor or a mix of Emblem, Instructor and Wanderers. Or just any random pieces with high EM

[misty halo]

TF gives 40% more reaction dmg

[glad harness]

That 40% is a lie. It's additive to the EM bonus you already have. So at high EM it's only equivalent to around 80 EM.

[sinful orchid]

above 800 EM, 40% reaction bonus is more like 100 EM, depends what you call "high EM" I guess

[glad harness]

right. I just don't know the exact number

why get the 4pcs effect of 100 EM when you can already get 80 EM just from 2 pcs wanderers? The other 2 pcs can be emblem to boost ER. It's not worth it going for 4 TF. that's my take.

[nocturne plinth]

EM/EM/Healing bonus?

I'm at 600 EM with EM/EM/HB and iron sting

[copper bridge]

So how's Kuki doing so far?

Were my expectations of her being half baked true or have they been proven false?

[tiny sedge]

I think maybe unless really need more heal then just go all EM to max damage ? My full EM build it is a lot of damage from the overloads and still heal over 2200 each tick

I am satisfy with Kuki she is nice heal for me in explore/co-op, and also comfy option for my Sucrose or Ayato taser team. I try 4pc instructor EM build also, and she hit over 20-25k overload it is fun to play

[nocturne plinth]

I think I'

ll pass on farming ToTM for an EM hat

and just stick with my healing bonus hat for now

switched out some pieces and hit 660 EM for now, good enough

[tiny sedge]

It can still work , like a hybrid build with some damage and okay heal

[nocturne plinth]

2906 healing per tick above 50% HP

at level 79 so far

not bad

[tiny sedge]

Farm for EM piece is hard sometimes, I just have Instructor instead 3EM

That seem good, my 4ToTM kuki at level 90 talent 8 with HP/HP/HB heal 3300 at above 50%

It is not much behind

[gentle nymph]

I personally went for 4pc EM tf since I don’t have anything else to really farm, but yeah I would recommend people to go for 2 wanderers 2pc tenacity if you want to go full EM. A pro about 4pc tf’s cooldown passive is if you rotate Kuki jn slightly early, you can refresh the E and have less reliance on C2 to keep the uptime

scaramouche EM scaling tf BiS 🙏

[grand willow]

its additive but it also doesnt scale so the more EM you have the more EM its worth

although the marginal benefit also drops

[calm ice]

So bad

[rugged pawn]

I hope not

[olive coral]

I play tested her 20 times yesterday and I get now how to use her

She is a good character

The hp decrease comes at the cost of a 100% uptime on heals but man that ult and e skill really do shred things really fast

I find that I enjoy playing her as a healer + electro applier

She’s a good 4 star

I give her a 7/10

[modern ice]

I love her so much
Currently running mono electro keqing:
Keqing Beidou Sucrose Kuki

She is currently doing 60k crit ult with fav sword and VV shred

[olive coral]

I like her e skill a lot! It’s fun to look but it works really well in overload comps too. I think if you toss in an CC unit overload with her ult would be a killer

[merry dragon]

Like shield?

[olive coral]

That’s what I noticed anyways

And I think the ult also has no icd? so it seems to trigger a lot more overloads

When I use xiangling with her, I see a ton of red numbers

[glad harness]

Skill has standard ICD but it hits so many times. If there are multiple enemies then there is also a chance that more overloads will happen, since individual enemies have separate ICD.

Also, if anyone want to try, Xingqiu Fischl Bennett Kuki with 4 TF Bennett against bosses. Really nice.

[worthy minnow]

No one posted it here? if someone has c4 kuki, test if it creates a particle, some peeps at tc lounge seem to think it does

[noble elbow]

i was hearing about that too but i asked the morning shinobu released so no one had. tested her yet

[gaunt pivot]

inb4 kuki powercreep (4* electro claymore)

[glad harness]

it does

[worthy minnow]

Thats good then, the c4 procs bring her close to fischl as a battery

Which is more use case

Lets hope its not a bug

[tulip zealot]

that should've been part of her base kit tbh

[green dagger]

good thing I only got C0 Kuki

[worthy minnow]

Agreed

But hey at least c4 gets some use over fischl for comfort

[amber plover]

I'm very compelled to keep pulling now

Great to know though

[glad harness]

Around 50% to drop. Doesn't have CD between E and C4 particle gen

[orchid folio]

it's not 100%? damn

but still pretty good

[gentle nymph]

another c20 Chongyun won’t hurt right

[olive coral]

Wow that was.. fast

[cloud ermine]

what's kuki's e icd duh

and energy particles

[glad harness]

Standard ICD on E, no ICD on C4.

Not sure about particle gen. But I usually get 5-6 particles with C4.

[cloud ermine]

so c4 makes her insignificantly better?

[glad harness]

C4 is great in reaction teams, and make her better battery.

[cloud ermine]

woah I didn't know

[glad harness]

in Single target, her E at C0 causes 5 overloads during 15 sec. C1 causes 6 and with C4 you can have 9 overloads.

That's quite a lot.

[cloud ermine]

I might save my pulls for heiozu if not kuki

that's alot of value

[glad harness]

Yeah, don't roll if you don't want itto

[cloud ermine]

Yeah I already have him c0 so idk if I should or not

[glad harness]

4 stars rerun are quite often

[cloud ermine]

got a shinobu in one ten pull so im kinda lucky but don't wanna risk it the cons

[glad harness]

She works just fine at C0

[cloud ermine]

As a healer she sure is no different

[leaden silo]

realistically, how high can shinobu heal at lvl 90 with her e at lvl 9 ? does it purely depend on your artifact luck ?

i decided to go full healer and switched a bit. hp/hp/hb but still got a decent amount of em and i gave her iron sting. at lvl 80 with her e at lvl 5, she heals 2.1k per tick

[lofty blaze]

That's kinda low, I heal for 3k+ already at Level 80 TL 8.

[noble elbow]

i guess it makes sense because their TL is 5 compared to your 8

[fringe kernel]

should i even bother to talent lv up her Q

[lofty blaze]

IMO if EM, no. If all HP with TOM, it still deals a small chunk of damage that's better than doing nothing on your downtime.

[midnight bough]

I just hope shinobu works great with dendro ;-;
I’m currently building her with tenacity but yeahh that kit is wonky

[little forge]

I think her Q pairs potentially well with intensified. She has many procs to surpass Intensified ICD and can be built with EM

[leaden silo]

yee her TL is 5 rn because specters are a pain and i haven't been able to max her artifacts yet. she at 23k HP

[brittle radish]

I have c3 Kuki, is she worth building

[lofty blaze]

Hello everyone, what's the best artifact stats to maximize Kuki's burst? HP% + Electro DMG Bonus + crit? Or go all HP?

[rare abyss]

Full EM with a pyro applier

[unique sphinx]

I am on that dendro copium if intensify really works like in the leaks then scaling don't matter then she would finally be a good subdps healer for dendro

[uneven stump]

best way to use shinobu?

i like her but she seems kinda meh

[leaden silo]

healer with hp/hp/hb or an em build with pyro applier like naro said 🤷🏻‍♀️

from what i've gathered so far, that is

and when you user her e, in co-op you can heal others when they're inside her ring

[edgy ocean]

Hey my kuki heals 3103 at lvl 80 tl 8 above 50% hp, is that ok?

[dreamy kite]

It's really good

[unique sphinx]

For me all EM with 4pc ToM and fav sword works the best with this you get 20% atk for the whole team more energy with fav sword and all EM can give you high EC and Overload dmg the reaction dmg is better than you expect and you still get good heals

[olive coral]

Are people still heavy on the dendro fix kuki copium

[unique sphinx]

I am

[olive coral]

She’s fine, but I do wish her constellations were less selfish

Like imagine she had yunjin’s buffing capability scaling off of em

[unique sphinx]

Sounds like Dendro intensify to me

[olive coral]

No I mean her normal attack dmg buff, she would have been perfect for ayato

I guess this also means we need to pull for dendro archon 👀

Hopefully she’s an off field support

[unique sphinx]

Ya but she is just a four star and Yunjin isn't even that old a replacement of the same rarity that does more would just be powercreep

[unique sphinx]

If you look at Dendro MC leaks it seems she will be that(since MC and archon skills are similar)

[olive coral]

I don’t think dendro mc buffs your character. It seems it’s like sucrose’s ult. Where they pop the object and it infuses with an element and depending on the elemental, the object deals a different type of dmg - exploding, increasing range or something else

But still kind of cool.. it has like 3 different states

[unique sphinx]

Ya MC doesn't but the archon version will definitely be better which might include different buffs

[olive coral]

These 18 days feel like an eternity 🙄

Hopefully the extra time was used to really buff up the sumeru patch

[tardy cosmos]

shinobu feels more and more like on field dps than a healer tbh

[noble elbow]

feelscrafting but shinobu electro dps/sucrose/aoe dendro/flex?

[glad harness]

This is a pretty fun kuki team

[fringe kernel]

how much er would beidou need if i replace fischl with kuki in taser

[haughty mural]

I unironically might build xinyan just because her shield is fun with kuki

[haughty mural]

Idk the real answer but if it was me I'd just assume kuki gives no energy

[glad harness]

Kuki C4 actually gives plenty of particles. I would say run Beidou 20 more ER than when you run fischl.

[fringe kernel]

my beidou has 156 er atm i can only bump it up to 166

c0 kuki

[lofty blaze]

What does C4 do again

[glad harness]

when on field character normal, charged or plunge attack while E is active, deal an extra instance of electro damage. CD 5 seconds

[hollow river]

idk if someone else has done the team already

but ever since beta

ive been advocating nonstop for sukukimon

and i finally got her so i could play it

prob my favorite team in the game

all 4*s too

[hasty wind]

Okay so is 2 set Maiden and 2 set Wandering good for healing?

[lofty blaze]

Errr even without Healing Bonus just getting her to Talent Level 8 should suffice, go for TOM or 2pc. WT + Instructor

[gaunt pivot]

so national without benny?

[brittle radish]

How well does Kuki get her energy back? Does she need another Electro unit or no?

[wooden sundial]

If you have her C4, her particle generation jumps up to near fischl levels

Otherwise I think it's about half

She also likes to hold Fav

[brittle radish]

So, I can run her without another electro unit? I'm curious cause I wanna try a team with Her, Heizou, Xingqiu and Xiangling

Since I don't care for Sucrose enough to do Sukokomon lmao

[wooden sundial]

It shouldn't be an issue to mono electro with her

[brittle radish]

Awesome! Ty Ty

[wooden sundial]

Just don't expect her to battery Yae before C4

[brittle radish]

I don't want my c3/4 Kuki just sitting there smh

I won't be using her with Yae

Not yet at least, idk

[wooden sundial]

Or Beidou

Or the like

[brittle radish]

Fair

[amber plover]

Highly depends on mob density too and the rest of the team
I can run Kuki-Yae with 138 ER in the current Abyss 12 side 1 but has a lot more trouble with PMA

Fav highly alleviates that

But you still need C4 to consistently generate a good amount

[brittle radish]

Gotcha

I'm currently at c4

[chilly jasper]

I did read the faq already but is sacrificial sword kuki's next best in slot after favonius? In terms of 4 star weapons

[brittle radish]

I'm trying to get 1 more Gorou, but Ig I wouldn't be mad at 1 more Kuki ig

Actually no, I would be mad. I keep getting juked out of my c6 Gorou

Edit: Wheeze, I got Another Chongus, nvm

[spiral cairn]

giving kuki freedome sworn and giving kazuha pjc, smart or stupid?

[tough trout]

i mean ig it depends on your play style

so both

[spiral cairn]

im using a yae, raiden, kuki and kazuha team

[dreamy kite]

I don't see any utility giving pjc to a character which need EM to work properly

[tough trout]

i mean its not a bad choice ig

[spiral cairn]

so i guess keep PJC on kuki then

[dreamy kite]

The best is to craft an Iron Sting (F2P) or use Favonius/Sacrificial on one of them 🙂

[spiral cairn]

better than a PJC?

even in a mono electro team?

[lavish basalt]

Why would you want to give less EM to Kazuha if he's in a mono-electro team? 🤔

[dreamy kite]

Not in a mono electro because you have no reaction
The priority is to fulfill the ER requirement and after get the most EM you can for Kazuha and Shinobu sub carry
But actually in a mono Electro, Shinobu off field healer is better so PJC + HP/HP/Healing bonus and no ER requirement

Without overload Kuki is not doing any damage

[cloud ermine]

clam set is superior

[amber plover]

Does low HP burst have 5 electro applications or 4?

[cloud ermine]

3

check the spreadsheet in the pins

[tardy cosmos]

pjc better on kazu since kuki's skill mod is really bad while kazu's skill mod is actually big

[amber plover]

That should be the case for >50% burst

[proud acorn]

How's her damage?

[shrewd crescent]

Reaction damage is good

Cause em

Personal damage is something I don't want to talk about.

[olive coral]

Personal dmg is…. Triple digits with low investment

4 digits with high investment

At lvl 90

[glad harness]

[fringe kernel]

[proud acorn]

[olive coral]

Sorry who now?

[rotund moon]

Epico

[unique sphinx]

Puffy being down bad for the new leaked character

[fringe kernel]

why not

[tawdry bone]

Holy shit C4 generates particles? What's the rate? Where can I read about this?

Found it, 50%, probably actually 45% too.

Let's hope it's not a bug.

[fringe kernel]

greenish

i dont wanna go full 2 fate points on his weapon

n pjc is collecting dust

so...

[eternal pumice]

if I want to play kuki as a electro dps (maybe EC or overload), what main stats should I use on her? EM EM EM or EM electro crit? 🤔

I read the mastersheet and see calculation assumed EM EM EM, but what about EM electro crit?

[lofty blaze]

EM builds are "all or nothing" - running hybrid usually makes it worse than running standard carry or full EM.
Also, your heal's gonna suffer significantly now that you have built neither EM nor HP% on two artifact slots.

[olive coral]

Geez give it to meeee

I’ll make full use of it ;-;

[lofty blaze]

Another contribution to the "Kuki builds Instructors" fund.

https://youtu.be/ShZ6jkuFIvE

[rich pagoda]

this seems to be the only real kuki team that i've enjoyed so far

and i guess it's not really a "kuki team" as much as it is "here's where kuki can go and feel useful"

[tardy cosmos]

my shinobu team is her, xiangling, benny, and kazuha

[small turtle]

Please refrain from posting anything related to what Uba said in #791659074253094933 . Thank you so much and may you have a wonderful day.

[uneven stump]

how does em work on shinobu

[glad harness]

she loves em

[uneven stump]

but say i was going 4 millileth do i run hp electro hb or em electro hb (pjc)

[glad harness]

it will not be much of a difference. I personally will go EM/HP EM /HP EM/HB

she does very little electro dmg so no use building elemental dmg and crit on her.