kuki-theorycrafting

[hollow cipher]

yeah but at that point y use thoma in that 4th slot rly

its such a flexible slot and can run almost any other character

[tiny sedge]

Not have Zhongli 🙃

[cursive hatch]

exactly. if the character cant synergize then theres no point in getting her

[hollow cipher]

xiangling, fischl, kazuha

all others who fit that 4th slot

[cursive hatch]

thus slowly lowering our opinion on her. even if we like her design/personality

[keen sinew]

I don't think dendro will improve underperforming electro characters much

[hollow cipher]

yanfei c4 or xinyan if u rly want a pyro shield

shieldfei

[tiny sedge]

I think make EM more useful to electro character is already nice

[olive coral]

I’d rather use xiangling instead of thoma tbh

[hollow cipher]

mhm same here

[deft atlas]

i optimally use kaz cuz my yelan does more dmg than Tao

[hollow cipher]

ZL doubles for a shielder and an AP holder too for 4th slot which makes him alot more useful

[tiny sedge]

How come dendro tc is not available to talk in ? I think it is wrong chat here

[gaunt pivot]

xinyan's shield is weak and i think it has no icd, I don't think it should be an option for hu tao

[hollow cipher]

well i never said it was a good option

but she does some nice dmg + can hold totm

[gaunt pivot]

and steal every vape

[tiny sedge]

It is less energy cost and favonius/totm utility also with c2

[cursive hatch]

i would make my C4 yanfei a sheilder but then i wont have anybody that can reach specters

[hollow cipher]

double hydro is enuf for tao and xiangling

[olive coral]

Why do they keep doing this? Feels like a common trend in almost all the inazuma 4 stars. If I don’t use itto, gorou is honestly a waste of space on my roster. Sara is okay but only feels good to use at c2.

[hollow cipher]

should b enuf for xinyan shield too

[gaunt pivot]

oh, for double hydro

[hollow cipher]

yeah

[cursive hatch]

as a Xinyan main. dont build sheild-bot Xinyan.

[hollow cipher]

the point was the 4th slot in tao double hydro is extremely flexible and would rather not use thoma

[cursive hatch]

just make her a burst support. please.

[tiny sedge]

Sayu is at least good 4* Inazuma character

[cursive hatch]

her C2 is a guranteed burst crit

[gaunt pivot]

she is pyro eula

[cursive hatch]

use it. its good. i beg you.

[hollow cipher]

mhm, actually has some uses for slightly more dmg over jean due to off field swirls

[dry warren]

Physical DPS that's not Cryo/Electro is just

[hollow cipher]

xinyan has her places

[tiny sedge]

Off field swirl vs Sunfire is i think main difference between them

[hollow cipher]

shes just very poorly designed

[tiny sedge]

Sayu in taser for EC swirl is nice

[olive coral]

So I’m guessing the itto rerun sales will be low then

[hollow cipher]

probably which is y loads of ppl ive spoken to have gotten an early 5 star on it lol

[keen sinew]

Like they mess up the units by giving them dumb scaling or no useful ability that can sync well with characters currently out

[dry warren]

Gorou is good, just for Geo

[tiny sedge]

Not everyone pull for meta only, Kuki is popular character who was in recent quest I think people will like her

[hollow cipher]

gorou is good in his niche yes but he literally only scales on his constellations lol

[cursive hatch]

I like Sayus kit i just wish i did more damage

[tiny sedge]

I like gorou is so easy to build also

[olive coral]

Ninguang looking around as my only built geo character… “oh really, how sad I could have some mora ascending him past lvl 20”

[dry warren]

Sara tho

[keen sinew]

True but like as a unit even outside of meta she is very meh

[hollow cipher]

levelling talents dont rly do much and his artis dont matter so can just run him 4pc exile and max out his ER lol

[cursive hatch]

and plus I can forgive her low numbers because shes cute :>

[hollow cipher]

she does good swirl dmg tho

even without c6 just build her full EM

[tiny sedge]

My EM sayu is 6500 damage per swirl is good for me

[hollow cipher]

anemo characters r dumb lol

[olive coral]

I don’t like her e skill at c0. Having to charge shot her e skill is dumb and she doesn’t even move back enough. It’s really weird that c2 isn’t just part of her base kit

[tiny sedge]

Why does vv give 60% damage increase when every other reaction set 40% + res shred

It is too strong

[hollow cipher]

i also personally dont like sara but thats just me

[cursive hatch]

damn i thought it was low

i guess now

[keen sinew]

It cuz they have the best artifact set and just need 1 stat

[hollow cipher]

even at c2 she feels very clunky

[dry warren]

ngl but Sara... I feel TTDS is cheaper and easier

[cursive hatch]

same. I dont like her as a character

[tiny sedge]

She is also EM ascension make it easier to build her high stats!

[hollow cipher]

for sure, at c6 in something like raiden hyper yeah shes good

but that requires c6 lol

[spring iron]

I'm really happy with my luck on C6 Sara, don't think I'll use another electro support for Ei even if they're a better ceiling raiser

[hollow cipher]

keep in mind she gives the buff with her Q as well but still its just not that massive...

[dry warren]

Gorou even at c0 is already good
c6 is just dominant Geo Support

[olive coral]

Most of the inazuma 4* characters have been frustrating and clunky. I like sayu in the overworld, but she’s the only one I actually like and use and want to lvl to 80.

[hollow cipher]

i mean bennett beats out gorou without constellations but thats just bennett lol

[olive coral]

I’m scared they’ll shaft heizou in someway too

[dry warren]

Heizou and Shinobu tho

[tiny sedge]

Heizou is comparable to Sucrose who is very strong, so he is good

[keen sinew]

Like it's funny kuki is a jack of all trades but can't even be better than average

[spring iron]

It's really frustrating tho how weak or niche new 4* units have been

[olive coral]

Wait till they release a 5 star version of him like yelan was to XQ

[dry warren]

so wait over 1 year? Gotcha

[hollow cipher]

doubt we would see a 5 star gorou lol

mono geo is already expensive enuf in terms of characters and resources

[olive coral]

5 star version of Bennett :(

[hollow cipher]

oh

never happening lol

unless pyro archon or smth

[olive coral]

Yup exactly. Only a pyro archon can beat the pyro archon himself

😂😂

[tiny sedge]

Wait for 5* Kuki to heal team and do damage 🙃

[spring iron]

I feel the 5* version of Bennett wouldnt even be as good as actual Bennett somehow

[hollow cipher]

theyd probably be onpar

[orchid folio]

Yelan should have taught you foolish people by now

[hollow cipher]

coz yelan isnt a strict upgrade to XQ, theyre relatively the same

[orchid folio]

5* version of mostly off field 4* will just be run with that 4*

[hollow cipher]

shes more a sidegrade with different utility to XQ

[brazen snow]

[orchid folio]

we hate this

don't say this

[dry warren]

one scales of HP and one scales of ATK

[hollow cipher]

idrk how else to phrase it

[spring iron]

I want a buffer/debuffer unit in this game that is straight up waver from FGO. Def shred, crit up, atk up buffs all in their kit

[tiny sedge]

Maybe 5* bennett will trade off something like good energy gen or self pyro in exchange, like how Yelan has lower hydro app

[olive coral]

And they feel half baked.. with stupid unneeded restrictions, it feels like lately mihoyo is really pushing the agenda that 5 stars are NEEDED for late game and 4 stars can only be used early game.

[hollow cipher]

she cant be ran in 100% the same places XQ can

[brazen snow]

Noblesse Rosaria

[hollow cipher]

she does different stuff honestly

[orchid folio]

neither can Xinyan

[cursive hatch]

i wish i knew how to build her properly... theres no KQM guide on her and idk if i should do EM or ATK build..

[orchid folio]

Is Xinyan a Xingqiu sidegrade?

[cursive hatch]

what??? no?

[hollow cipher]

ok i see ur point lol mb

[tiny sedge]

Attack for only heals, EM for swirl damage + increased heals

[swift onyx]

Yelan is married to my Yoimiya. My favorite characters to play right now.

[regal epoch]

5 star Bennett trades of atk buff for more healing

[olive coral]

I don’t think she’s bad. She has a different role but still she is an off field hydro applicator, and a big part of her kit is identical to XQ

[cursive hatch]

my Sayu is C2 i believe

[spring iron]

Even if that's the case, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing with the 5* side of things tbh, bc as you play, you're legit guaranteed multiple 5* units even as F2P

[hollow cipher]

personally id consider yelan and xq to work very differently but theyre stupidly strong together lol

[orchid folio]

I'm thinking Kuki in TF Kazuha team?

[spring iron]

Tho the 4* side remains annoying

[orchid folio]

her electro app is so mid that Kaz will own the ECs at least

[hollow cipher]

yeah i was using the wrong terminology lol mb

[tiny sedge]

That is good enough, she will also need some ER, fav sword is very good for her

[hollow cipher]

both off field hydro dps but provide different things to the team

and also form a stupidly strong core together lol

[spring iron]

Is Yelan at this point considered a hu tao team ceiling raiser?

With double hydro?

[hollow cipher]

idk does VV tao deal more than double hydro?

i havent checked

either way double hydro is alot easier to play imo

and frees up your anemo

[spring iron]

Well, Yelan does also give her own DMG buff alongside her sub dps

Anyways

That's a diff topic, so my b

[hollow cipher]

yelan has the ramping dmg buff whereas xq has dmg reduction, healing, hydro res shred

yeah off topic soz

anyways kuki wooooo :D

[spring iron]

All in all, how good is kuki's healing side of things from what people can see?

[tiny sedge]

3 hours before America server release 🥳

[hollow cipher]

subpar single target healing

[tiny sedge]

She is below average heal

[spring iron]

Jesus

So just a meh unit in general?

[hollow cipher]

id say so personally

[tiny sedge]

Tenacity HP/HP/HB can be about 3500 heal

[spring iron]

I'd have thought they could be assed to at least give her solid healing

[hollow cipher]

she can fit in taser for a healer if u rly need one and can run tenacity well

[spring iron]

That's literally less than my DPS build Bennett

[hollow cipher]

but besides that idrk what she can do lol

[tiny sedge]

She get 0 changes in beta, they did not care her at all 🙃

[spring iron]

Watch them nerf heizou

Lmao

He seems actually really, really good

[tiny sedge]

His beta is over he got a buff instead

[spring iron]

To me at lwast

Anemo taser driver that's not sucrose

[hollow cipher]

could always shadownerf him but i doubt it

[tiny sedge]

He compare to Sucrose who is very strong so he is also strong

[old gorge]

What would be the best way to maximize kuki's dmg in triple geo team?

[spring iron]

And is actual on field dps

[hollow cipher]

isnt cinnabar spindle her best option if u want her to deal dmg?

[tiny sedge]

Hp/electro/crit probably but it will likely be underwhelming

[hollow cipher]

especially in triple geo where shes not doing reactions

[tiny sedge]

Right defense build for skill damage only but HP for burst

[spring iron]

I'd have at least hoped they make kuki a strong healer and decent nuker

[old gorge]

rip

[spring iron]

That wouldn't even be broken

[tiny sedge]

Bennett has same uptime and also faster heal tick every 1sec where Kuki is 1.5sec

[hollow cipher]

me realising how i mascaraed my opinions on yelan and described her awfully

i apologise

[old gorge]

i'm just confused cause she's got like EM, hp and atk scalins rip idk which to focus on

[tiny sedge]

Standard build i think is HP focus only

[spring iron]

Yeah, idk why they did her scalings so wack

[amber plover]

EM or HP
Pretend atk doesnt exist

[tiny sedge]

EM more for reaction team specifically

[old gorge]

[spring iron]

Not like you won't be able to clear content easily still with her in the team, but c'mon man

[old gorge]

i mean yeah clearing is a joke

[tiny sedge]

She is comfort to my taser team so im still get to use her

[old gorge]

but i wanted her to deal somewhat okay dmg

[spring iron]

I don't think I'd personally even use kuki in my taser team

[old gorge]

until i noticed her scalings are like...

[spring iron]

But that's bc I got jean sloted as anemo and ayato as hydro

[amber plover]

She feels and looks great but I just wish her burst had the numbers to back it up
I'll be happy to achieve a 50k with Kazuha tho which shouldnt be impossible

[spring iron]

And I won't ever not slot jean in a team lol

[tiny sedge]

I use taser with Sayu as healer usually but Kuki is other option for me

[amber plover]

I like Kuki instead of Jean cause she allows you to run an anemo grouper without losing out on healing

and anemo groupers are amazing in taser

[hollow cipher]

anyways imma go back to math work before i say something else incorrect on accident

[tiny sedge]

Though Sayu heals and swirl damage is better than Kuki

[hollow cipher]

baii everyone

[tiny sedge]

Bye

[spring iron]

I think I'd be able to cover the grouper side enough once my jean is actually C1

I can make it work fine even with C0

So C1 ofc will be particularly helpful to me

[cursive hatch]

i have C1 Jean. the grouping from that is kinda mediocre

[spring iron]

I wish there were units that applied their elements to you as much as Bennett self applies pyro

[cursive hatch]

bediou

[spring iron]

That would awaken serious jean sub dps potential

In other teams

[cursive hatch]

also Jean does cleanse with anemo

with her burst

[old gorge]

i'm thinking of giving her ocean-hued set at this point to increase her dmg xd

[tiny sedge]

Clam is not so good on her because it is single target heal only

[spring iron]

Jean I think is the most jack of all trades anemo

Esp C1 or C2

[tiny sedge]

It will increase damage and heals slightly but not so much. Depends on team if ToTM buff is worth more

[old gorge]

i'm using her in triple geo

[cursive hatch]

her healing is like 1 large heal from her burst and thats it. clam is only good if you can heal over-time. thats why clam isnt good on Jean

also Jeans heal is in an AOE

[old gorge]

oh right i forgot how the clam set works

[sinful orchid]

I didn't expect this to be the first think I would read on this channel

[old gorge]

tsk

maybe i can make her full EM

[tulip zealot]

her only way to deal decent damage is via reactions so triple geo is not a good team for her

[tiny sedge]

Itto will benefit slightly from attack buff so ToTM is okay. Triple geo is already very strong so Kuki is mostly for comfort only

[cursive hatch]

if you want more damage on your Jean just do Viridescent

its her strongest set

ATK/Anemo/Crit

only do triple EM if your doing Sunfire

[tiny sedge]

Full EM in geo team does not work because it will be the geo characters who trigger crystallize so it will be geo character EM

[spring iron]

Would people call Jean overall BiS fav sword?

[hollow cipher]

stop i was being an idiot and used a completely wrong term for something i didnt mean

[cursive hatch]

Full EM Geo team sounds pretty

[cursive hatch]

Jeans BIS sword is Amenoma

[tulip zealot]

amenoma for ADC, iron sting for EM imo

(of the 4* swords)

[hollow cairn]

i was gonna build her as a healer at first but since her healing is low i might just say fuck it and go phys build

seems more fun

only gonna use her in overworld anyway

[cursive hatch]

you can if you want

[tiny sedge]

Phys can be fun, her animation is cool

[old gorge]

i'm thinking EM for heal bonus and dmg bonus

but ig 25% isn't so worth to justify full em?

[cursive hatch]

but she heals off of attack not EM

[old gorge]

i'm not even bothering to use her as a healer

[tulip zealot]

build her full EM pyro main dps with c6 bennet
all the overloads

[old gorge]

hence my problem xd

[hollow cairn]

i already leveled a healer build tho which means i gotta lvl a whole other set now 😩 its okay i got time

[old gorge]

i'm using her in itto alb gurou team with gurou already providing more than enough heals lol

[cursive hatch]

do you have Diona?

Diona could provide alot more for that GeoTeam

[tiny sedge]

The EM bonus is flat so it is not a lot, HP will make better heals overall

[tulip zealot]

literally anyone can provide more for that geo team

[cursive hatch]

shuuush its a work in progess

[tulip zealot]

ok maybe not aloy

[spring iron]

Why can't geo have stronger shield breaking capability

[hollow cairn]

theyd be too powerful

[hollow cipher]

is there even a place aloy is better than another option?

[old gorge]

Im only putting her on that team cause of her lore ties to itto xd

[spring iron]

Would they tho?

Like what screws geo most of the time is shields

[cursive hatch]

wait,,, Jean has lore ties with Itto????

since when??

[spring iron]

No??

[hollow cipher]

kuki

[tiny sedge]

Kuki with itto

[cursive hatch]

OH

my dumbass

[old gorge]

lol

and looking for a way to maximize her dmg

seems impossible xd

[tiny sedge]

Aloy is only use for melt burst right , but other character like chongyun or rosaria is better

[amber plover]

Kuki is not bad in triple Geo if you don't have C4 gorou
otherwise you'd rather run smth like Fischl imo

[spring iron]

Jean and Itto lore interaction would be kicking his ass out of mond bc he and klee played together and blew too much shit up

[hollow cipher]

she doesnt do much dmg to begin with sadly, and without any reactions there she cant even do overloads

[old gorge]

sadge :<

[cursive hatch]

im planning on building Aloy as a cryo battery/burst support =v=

[hollow cipher]

i mean thats one thing aloy can do i guess

[tiny sedge]

She is okay as battery... but Kaeya is already best freeze battery character

[hollow cipher]

but theres also diona, kaeya and chongyun

[cursive hatch]

i use kaeya as a battery already, i use Diona mainly for her sheilds, and my chongyun is lvl 70

[hollow cipher]

and rosaria also has a quick E

[amber plover]

Kuki's burst dmg seems locked behind intensify for the moment
But atm especially if you have Kazuha in ur comp it's not too bad? It's like an Albedo ult you can use to finish stuff off if you don't wanna waste energy

[sinful orchid]

shhh, we don't mention alternatives, it's not fair

[tiny sedge]

Chongyun is okay with more utility at c2 also. Aloy Utility is only... 8% attack buff if coils work

[hollow cipher]

i shouldnt be talking genshin in general rn tbh lol

[cursive hatch]

listen. i played Horzion Zero Dawn

i want to use her

[hollow cipher]

been doing math revision with no breaks for the last 4hrs lol

[cursive hatch]

they made her so cute in Genshin

[hollow cipher]

my brain aint working properly anymore lol

[spring iron]

I wonder, If there be a dendro buffer that is legit good enough to replace kazuha in Raiden hyper bc of both intensify and their own kit buffs

[tiny sedge]

Can make her work I believe in you

[hollow cipher]

anything can work in genshin

[tiny sedge]

Dendro character with EM buffer for stronger intensify

[hollow cipher]

if you 36 star abyss, use whatever tf u want lol

[cursive hatch]

ty ty

[hollow cipher]

and if u dont care for abyss, still go and use whatever :D

[cursive hatch]

can i say a hot take rq

[hollow cipher]

go ahead lol

[cursive hatch]

Aloy has more personality in Horzion Zero Dawn than Keqing does

[hollow cipher]

well in horizon for sure shes the main fukin character

[tiny sedge]

[spring iron]

That's not nearly as much a hot take as you think

[tiny sedge]

Keqing personality cute I like her a lot

[hollow cipher]

unless shes written rly badly in horizon idk, i havent played it

[pastel brook]

keep it on topic

[cursive hatch]

shit sorry

[tiny sedge]

Kuki in my Keqing team 4 electro 🙃

[gaunt pivot]

maybe shenhe, aloy, benny, kazuha?

[hollow cipher]

this is aloy TC bia what are you on about

[spring iron]

I'll wonder tho

[cursive hatch]

i dont have shenhe or kazuha

[pastel brook]

[hollow cipher]

[cursive hatch]

litearlly my two most wanted characters rn

[pastel brook]

are you suuuure

[hollow cipher]

no

knowing me id mistake it for one with how exploded my brain is rn

[spring iron]

Beidou is mostly good in 2T scenarios, yeah? How much of a consequence most of the time would it even be to replace Beidou with kuki in a taser, assuming you haven't slotted an anemo like kazuha in already?

[tiny sedge]

Shenhe is my most wanted too

[pastel brook]

[tiny sedge]

In single target team i think tradeoff from lose beidou for kuki is not too bad

[spring iron]

Like let's say you have a sayu or jean slotted for your taser, and you have Beidou next to fischl

[hollow cipher]

i already made an incorrect statement earlier, we dont talk about my skillissue when im tired

[spring iron]

Trading Beidou for kuki and jean/sayu for kazuha

If you're wanting to maintain comfort

[tiny sedge]

It should be okay? Kazuha will do great aoe damage also with beidou gone

[hollow cipher]

anyways seriously back to math now xD

[sinful orchid]

weren't you supposed to do math?

[tiny sedge]

Kazuha aoe is still very good damage with double swirl especially

[hollow cipher]

yes i was

i rly dont want to tho

i got an hour left of these videos and i just dont want to

[tiny sedge]

The only math I like is genshin math

[hollow cipher]

same lol

i regret taking math for a levels

statistics exam tomorrow afternoon

[spring iron]

Tho In my case here I'm assuming a hydro taser driver like ayato

[tiny sedge]

I get C in my math class this semester

[sinful orchid]

if you don't want to, try to do the math to extract the most out of Kuki, your revisions might be easier

[tiny sedge]

Ayato taser is usually Fischl Beidou Sayu as example for comfort

I think Ayato Fischl Kuki Kazuha can be okay alternative

[hollow cipher]

see now that actually sounds fun but the kuki mastersheet already exists

[spring iron]

tho tbh

Beidou shield can be argued to give just as much survival as kuki mediocre healing

[tiny sedge]

It exchanges Beidou damage for Kazuha's buffing and Kuki ToTM

[hollow cipher]

maybe when 3.0 leaks come out and dendro reactions are fully out ill actually learn sheeting lol

[spring iron]

And well, I'd argue kazuha in a way offers plenty of survival

[tiny sedge]

Kazuha bring crowd control also

[spring iron]

Bc you're in the air and dodging shit

[hollow cipher]

schoolyear ends in like 3 weeks, can start stuff then

[spring iron]

When he's on field

He's so great to dodge attacks easily

So in a sense he too offers plenty of survival

[tulip zealot]

i think that's the biggest benefit kuki brings to the game
an alternative way to build comfy electro teams

[tiny sedge]

It should be good team

Ayato and taser team in general really like to have grouping for enemies

Having Kuki to bring Kazuha is very good

[amber plover]

I much prefer Kazuha over Anemo healer ngl
Groupers in taser are crazy

[tulip zealot]

does her E have ICD?

[hollow cipher]

standard ICD

[spring iron]

Ayato's Q I think is a good part of what makes him so functionally strong in EC teams

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is standard she apply aoe electro 1 every 1.5s

[spring iron]

The wide range of application

[tiny sedge]

Ayato is very good and easy play Love him a lot

[tulip zealot]

i kinda want to see if it's possible to build some sort of OL comp with her

[hollow cipher]

2.5s*

heals every 1.5s

[tiny sedge]

Right sorry I mistype

[hollow cipher]

dw ive done that alot this evening

[spring iron]

While grouping is great for taser and all

[tiny sedge]

There is some with Xiangling Bennett Klee Kazuha

[distant wadi]

Dont compare yelan to xq like that, xq only good for hydro applicator where i can always use yelan as a main dps with team like yelan raiden zhongli or even yelan fischl zhongli, the only team that yelan cant do compared to xq is hutao with 1 hydro

[spring iron]

Tbh, I think part of Ayato's kit mitigates some of the need

[tulip zealot]

i was just thinking about klee lol

[spring iron]

Bc of how much personal AoE he himself has

[tulip zealot]

klee is like the perfect pyro enabler

[hollow cipher]

i still wish klees burst persisted off field

[spring iron]

Sunfire Jean best pyro enabler

[tiny sedge]

Even if Klee off field I think Xiangling vapes is still better ? But can also be good pyro enable

[olive coral]

I saved 4 months to guarantee 1 copy of kazuha. I don’t think making 5 stars op and 4 stars underwhelming is be way to go. It just leaves less incentive to build or even bother with pulling for 4 stars. I mean an example is shenhe, if shenhe was a 1.0 character, she would have been a 4 star support for cryo like bennet was to pyro. But because she was released in 2.x, she is a 5*. I wouldn’t have minded if she had less buffing capability more restrictions but was a 4* unit. It feels like there’s less and less good buffing 4 star supports now.

Big dmg dealers are 5 stars and the ones that give good buffs, good shields, good heals are all 5 stars these days.
Compare kuki to diona. My diona’s burst heals for 6k per tick. And it’s only at talent lvl 8. And she shields me.

[tiny sedge]

[dreamy kite]

Ayato is a really autonomous unit and it's really easy to clear the abyss when he is paired with powerful core units like Bennett/Xiangling or Fischl/Beidou

[tiny sedge]

I also like Ayato Sara Fischl she can buff his 6s duration fine and snapshot for Fischl

[tulip zealot]

electro birb comp

[spring iron]

Yeah, I'm with you on the 4* side of things

Tho genshin has done a great job with balance amongst 5* units

[tiny sedge]

His team so flexible I can play him any team I like

[spring iron]

Shenhe is niche and restrictive yes, but the thing with her is that she's a ceiling raiser for ayaka, one of the best dps in the game. That gives her a "meta" position in a team

Similar boat to C6 Sara or Mona or gorou

[pastel brook]

Shenhe is an amazing unit to literally any cryo team

[olive coral]

But it feels like it’s coming at the expense of half baked 4 stars. It feels like 4 stars are experimental grounds. Compare how traveler’s anemo and geo vision were viable but their electro was just a mess. Almost no body uses electro traveler.
I don’t know why they keep doing this, but honestly it feels a bit vexing and this is a big reason why I don’t want Genshin to get harder.

[pastel brook]

She's not just a morgana bot

[hollow cipher]

i like how shenhes dmg works too, lets her scale off the onfield characters stats/weapon as well as her own

[tiny sedge]

Also good as physical support and create new team for cryo character in monocryo against enemies that cant freeze

[dreamy kite]

I still think that Shinobu is a really good unit on an Eula/Kuki/Rosaria/Flex by the way, giving the possibility to run Zhongli, Rosaria and an Electro healer btw. And I'm waiting to see the creativity of Kuki TC wanters :p

[hollow cipher]

instead of just her doing another number it adds her number into your cryo dps numbers

too bad i dont have her or ayaka

[keen sinew]

YouTubers have been suggesting that team

[pastel brook]

kuki eula rosaria shenhe

[keen sinew]

The honesty might be her best team cuz you can't replace fish or beidou in ec teams

[olive coral]

She also has a limitation with her stacks. My argument is they could have made her buff smaller, maybe even made her cool down higher or limited her stacks. But it sucks that she is a 5*. The best cryo support for Ayaka is Rosaria and Rosaria offers nothing in her kit outside of additional crit rate and perhaps energy
I mean consider how Ayaka’s best team is really: Ayaka, shenhe, kokomi and kazuha. Or Ayaka, shenhe, Mona and kazuha. That’s an entire team of 5 stars

[tiny sedge]

Clam Kuki is also maybe more useful in that team with so much physical res shred

[hollow cipher]

tbf that is a nice role she can fill honestly

[hollow cipher]

the stacks limit isnt an issue with her tho?

[tiny sedge]

Few quills mean she uses all her damage easily

It is frontloaded damage from her skill

[spring iron]

The stack limit can be deceptively useful for frontloading a bit of your main dps's dmg

But the main thing is her range of buffs

[tiny sedge]

She can buff cryo damage in almost all parts of damage formula

[pastel brook]

you say that as if Rosaria's energy gen and her dmg contribution isn't good

[spring iron]

I'd call shenhe BiS offensive cryo support for a phys unit tbh

[pastel brook]

it's one of the main selling points

[tulip zealot]

the reason that happens is because 5* are more specialized i think
4* are good at a lot of stuff but 5* excel at one, so in the end when building the "best" version of a team you usually end up with a team with 3 or 4 of them

[spring iron]

Now do I think it was a bit too soon to make a unit as niche as shenhe in that point of the game? Tbh yes

[hollow cipher]

rosarias sub dps dmg is good + crit transfer + battery potential

[tiny sedge]

Many people doom shenhe when she release because of quill count

[hollow cipher]

whats wrong with that?

[spring iron]

People didn't realize how good her overall buffs really were

[hollow cipher]

yup ppl thought it was gonna be a huge downside but it rly just isnt lol

[pastel brook]

not to mention her synergy with characters that are run in cryo teams is great

[cursive hatch]

i like shenhe as a character. i just couldnt afford to get her and xiao

[pastel brook]

and the E is really useful for gap closing in abyss

[spring iron]

I think a niche 5* unit like Shenhe woulda been more appropriate a year later or so into the game

[tiny sedge]

I had to skip shenhe for ganyu

[pastel brook]

I had to skip shenhe cuz her shoes bother me

[cursive hatch]

i did the same thing with kokomi :(

[hollow cipher]

mhm for sure, you could argue the crit rate transfer isnt too necessary in freeze with 4pc blizzard but its never a bad thing

[distant wadi]

Yeah people usually asking a lot on 5 * characters

[cursive hatch]

i skipped Koko twice for Ayato and Itto

[tiny sedge]

Shenhe futureproof for any later cryo characters

[spring iron]

Shenhe makes using jean for me so much easier in my freeze teams

[pastel brook]

yeah rosaria is awesome

[olive coral]

A c6 Rosaria gives you an increase in physical resistance. In a cryo team comp with Ayaka, what does that do for me?
I already have a build on my Ayaka with 140 er, 1.9k attk, 33:242 crit ratio. My Ayaka is pretty self sufficient without the need for a battery. I sometimes prefer running her with chongyun just because at the end of chongyun’ s e skill, he grants a 10% cryo resistance

[hollow cipher]

also rosaria runs in reverse melt

4 star only team

[spring iron]

Bc Jean knocks stuff back, but I dash right back to them

[hollow cipher]

[hollow cipher]

that gives her more utility to be used elsewhere? how does her giving phys res shred suddenly make her bad for cryo teams?

[tiny sedge]

I think Shenhe is good on reverse melt also

[olive coral]

I’m talking about my team specifically with Ayaka. Lololol. I’m not bashing on Rosa.

[hollow cipher]

then just dont run rosaria in ur team?

[spring iron]

Someone I know is doing Bennett, yunjin, shenhe, kuki team with kuki as physical carry

That's some based shit

[olive coral]

If I wanted a team comp for Ayaka, my best team comp for her is literally: shenhe, kokomi and kazuha. A full 5 star team

[hollow cipher]

i love the rotation for that team tbf lol

[tiny sedge]

Yun Jin makes any character fun as main dps i love to have her

[hollow cipher]

is it expensive? yes but you arent forced to run 4 5 stars

[olive coral]

Yea I mean I do too. It was very fun when I play tested shenhe. But it just goes to show you that the agenda lately has been good 5 stars - good 5 star supports, and good 5 star dps at the expense of mediocre and almost laughable kits on 4* characters

[spring iron]

Hopefully heizou is the start of change in 4* design philosophy tho

[distant wadi]

This is true tbh, i still remember people asking me during yelan beta why i use yunjin in yelan raiden zhongli team

[spring iron]

Since he seems hell actually have a very relevant spot

In the roster

[pastel brook]

but her team options with 4*s are entirely viable

[olive coral]

That’s my big issue. It feels like 4 stars kits are being shafted and any “good” idea they have, becomes a 5 star character

[pastel brook]

they're more than enough to comfortably clear

so what's the issue

[olive coral]

That’s not the point.

[olive coral]

Look 3 messages above yours

[hollow cipher]

idrk when shenhe comes into this but ill agree inazumas 4 stars generally have been very niche but very very good in that 1 niche

[spring iron]

Sara would be fine imo if they didn't con lock her actual strong niche into C6

[olive coral]

Thoma really good in a niche? Pls do explain

[spring iron]

Bc otherwise literally Lisa is a Better alternative

[hollow cipher]

ok well thoma is the exception

i explained y i dont like thoma earlier lol

[olive coral]

Kuki really good in a niche? Pls do explain the too

[tulip zealot]

gorou and sara have been really strong for electro and geo

[hollow cipher]

for sure, i dont like sara without c6 at all

[gaunt pivot]

i think heizou being good is just an accident, because it's easy to be good with triple EM+VV

[hollow cipher]

kuki at least has a place compared to thoma

[spring iron]

Like

[tiny sedge]

Sara being good with c6 is better than not being good at all like Thoma 🙃

[tulip zealot]

yunjin is also a relatively recent 4* and she's very good as well

[spring iron]

Her C6 imo shoulda been a base kit thing

Easily

Or a passive

Bc that's her fucking niche

That's all the way con locked

[olive coral]

Sara c6 and gorou without itto is pretty much…useless. I don’t like itto and I won’t pull for him, so for me, itto is a unwelcome result when I pull on standard banner.

[spring iron]

That's just terrible

[dreamy kite]

Thomas has a niche with Hu Tao and most Pyro Teams when you have enough hydro application or playing pure pyro

[tulip zealot]

literally they can't make anemo or hydro units bad
maybe if they're phys only with like 1 elemental app per 4s

[pastel brook]

thoma has a place in comps like vv vape tao too

[hollow cipher]

kuki provides alternative ways to build taser and also can be ran on eula teams. ill agree with kuki tho almost all of her kit is subpar generally

[tiny sedge]

I pull gorou for my noelle 😅

[spring iron]

Based

[tulip zealot]

same

itto gets the microwave team

[olive coral]

So why would use thoma in a team with enough hydro application when xiangling exists?

[distant wadi]

Sometimes mihoyo making weird kit for a characters, just accept it and dont complain too much about it

[hollow cipher]

he works yeah id just prefer to run something like shieldfei if you want a shielder for vv tao considering thomas tendency to steal vapes

[spring iron]

It's something to complain about if people really like the character but they aren't terribly serviceable gameplay wise

[hollow cipher]

but thats just me not liking thoma

[olive coral]

Correction: Weird kits for 4* characters.

[pastel brook]

can you run him with yoi?

[hollow cipher]

when i played vv tao i used elegy amber lol

[dreamy kite]

I never play without shield and I don't need more damage to clean the abyss 36 stars so why would I play another character? 🤷‍♂️

[tiny sedge]

Why generalize 4* so much.. So many are fine like Sayu Yunjin Gorou and Heizou soon also

[spring iron]

Like maybe kuki does in fact have a dendro team role set in stone

[olive coral]

Skill issue?

[spring iron]

Who knows

[hollow cipher]

tbh yeah if you dont get hit every 2 seconds due to skillissue lol

[pastel brook]

[hollow cipher]

coz he has a strong shield if you let it stack up and it doesnt get broken every 2 seconds

his main issue for me is that he cant battery himself well honestly

[spring iron]

Btw

[tiny sedge]

c4 with r5 kitain and he still feel bad

[distant wadi]

Not really a 4*, they release many good 4* too, like sayu sara gorou and yunjin

[spring iron]

Why is it that people believe kuki might be a dendro oriented electro unit?

[olive coral]

Sayu is great.. to roll around the open world. Gorou useless unless you have itto or use noelle as your main dmg dealers. Sara.. needs c6.

Yunjin is the only good one and she’s not really niche when more than 1 element can use her. Literally any character that needs a boost on their normal attacks can use yunjin.

[spring iron]

Like does intensify not have a hit count CD limit?

[hollow cipher]

but at least with thoma there are alternatives that do generally the same

kuki is the only electro healer so she fills that as a niche role

[pastel brook]

Sayu is an amazing unit wdym

[hollow cipher]

• can also run totm very well

[tiny sedge]

More people who say Sayu is only good for rolling

[hollow cipher]

sayu is rly rly good what?

[spring iron]

Sayu is fine

[cursive hatch]

Sayu isnt just a roller :(

[tulip zealot]

sayu is anemo she can't be bad

for real even anemo MC has some uses

[olive coral]

I like sayu for traveling, honestly she’s uncontested there and I refuse to let her leave the party.

[spring iron]

Not "meta", but she's a solid pick everywhere

[hollow cipher]

she provides more to a team if u need an anemo healer than jean does if ur not running sunfire

[spring iron]

Much like jean

That's fine for a 4* unit

[hollow cipher]

coz she can swirl off field

[distant wadi]

Thoma offer you shield while xiangling offer you additional dmg, they are different thing and i like it since mihoyo isnt creating a same thing

[pastel brook]

ok but she's an amazing unit

[cursive hatch]

also the fact that shes a healer brings her up a couple notches as well

like you cant out do a healer

[tiny sedge]

Swirl almost as much as Kazuha but with heal instead of grouping/damage bonus

[hollow cipher]

basically if u need an anemo healer, it depends on if ur playing sunfire or not lol

[spring iron]

Healer with decent sub DPS and buffing through 4 VV

[olive coral]

You guys use sayu in the abyss?

[spring iron]

Thats really solid

[tiny sedge]

Yes

[pastel brook]

yes

[tulip zealot]

i remember sayu pre-release
the hot wheels comp

with XL

[olive coral]

That’s pretty cool, glad she’s getting some love there

[hollow cipher]

so you either run sayu for off field swirls, generally in taser, or run sunfire jean and play circle impact lol

[olive coral]

I did hear shatter with sayu was absolutely broken

[tiny sedge]

Biased because she is my favorite, but I think many have misinformation on Sayu being budget Jean only

[spring iron]

She's a more offensive oriented jean

[pastel brook]

don't forget ayato EC better option than jean

[spring iron]

And well, that would for some people straight up make her better in same cases

[tulip zealot]

my main issue with sayu (and most "new" 4*) is that getting constellations for them is really hard

at least i have the monthly shop for the 1.0 4*s

[pastel brook]

they'll build up overtime

[tiny sedge]

my sayu shatter is 11k unbuffed

[pastel brook]

that's just gacha

[hollow cipher]

mhm thats y i said generally in taser

[spring iron]

I refuse to not slot jean in taser tho bc she does everything I need her to and well, is triple crown wife

[olive coral]

But I mean, I still wish we could get a good 4 star support that isn’t niche. It’s been a while since we got one. 🥲

[spring iron]

Heizou incoming

So there's at least that

[hollow cipher]

taser just means EC no?

[tulip zealot]

only if they show up in banners i'm willing to pull
if i want c6 gorou but no itto it's almost impossible to build him

[olive coral]

Provided they don’t shaft his numbers before release ;-;

[spring iron]

And well, leeks say a sumeru hydro 4* is on the horizon

[olive coral]

I’m praying

[hollow cipher]

or is my sleepy brain being pepega again lol

[tiny sedge]

Heizou i think niche over sucrose though, less aoe/chain reaction, less grouping, less EM share, and more for singletarget only

[gaunt pivot]

• anemo

[distant wadi]

Well, wdym? Sayu is a great healer and you can build her as a dps if you are bored too, sara is good on electro team, c6 just make her irreplaceable on electro team, and gorou is very good on geo team too, gorou need a itto and noelle because that is all we have on geo main dps currently

[hollow cipher]

yeah fair enuf

[spring iron]

Heizou seems like an actually pretty strong on field main dps unit

I honestly don't think you'd even build him EM

[dreamy kite]

Or just confort?
Because you can say the same for like many units : why play Kokomi?

Genshin is like a game where we know that the power threshold is Bennett + Xiangling + Any other units
So the fun stands by playing characters giving you quality of life since you don't need more power. TC is super nice to understand how characters work or how to give a character its best potential.

Yes I like shield characters because I can just sleep during abyss and I love it.
Btw we know that Hoyoverse will never make a new Bennett/Xiangling/Xingqiu/Fischl since they think that those units are too powerful for the game and it was a mistake to give them so many utility

[tiny sedge]

Heizou TC is build him EM but it is very close to crit

[hollow cipher]

i havent looked at heizou recently but last i looked he procs a ridiculous amount of swirls and his Q is useless outside of grouping

[distant wadi]

Ofc i use her in abyss, why not?

[olive coral]

Laughs in no itto, laughs in I don’t use noelle, laughs in no c0 Sara.

[spring iron]

Ah really? Hm

If he procs that many swirls

[hollow cipher]

EM and ADC were close but EM imo probs edges out due to his swirl count

[tiny sedge]

Heizou normal attack combo get 1 more swirl than sucrose, and his CA is 25 stamina only with no ICD

[spring iron]

Also

[hollow cipher]

from what i remember there was a heizou combo for 6 swirls lol

[mental topaz]

How many Kuki wanters ended up getting Itto?

[spring iron]

It's so fucking based that he's rated with kazuha, apparently

[dry warren]

🖐🏻

[spring iron]

That's literally all your anemo needs coveres

[dry warren]

but it was early 10 pull on 50/50

[spring iron]

In one banner

[amber plover]

Basically
Juicing maximum damage only really matters if you're clearing Abyss for the first time
or when we get PvP Abyss
Rn I'd rather play taser with a healer or run zhongli somewhere than retry 8 times trying to get the perfect run without dying

[pastel brook]

just because they're not useful to you doesn't mean they're not good units though

[quiet sonnet]

That's a win tbh

[spring iron]

That's gonna be an actually op ass banner

Esp for newer people

[distant wadi]

Well no itto is your problem then, but people who use itto or noelle are greatly appreciated gorou. Characters like gorou and sara is what a 4 star should look like in my opinion

[mental topaz]

It is if it’s 50/50

[tiny sedge]

Niche is not bad, it prevents characters similar to Bennett who are used everywhere

[olive coral]

I’m not saying they’re not good enough units. I am saying that unless you have those niches, they aren’t useful. Case in point, my account. Which uses Ayaka, hu tao, ayato and Raiden as the carry. But unfortunately a lot of the new 4 star supports that are released, just don’t have a place for my team comps.

[quiet sonnet]

If someone has the guaranteed and risk it for Kuki then the problem is not being intelligent in the first place

[pastel brook]

but they have a great spot in other people's accounts i dont know how else they would be buffing a comp like mono geo without making a support that specifically buffs that

[olive coral]

So what do I do when standard banner tossed a c3 gorou to me? I just leave him to rust on the bench honestly.

[spring iron]

Except for con locking their actual niche to C6

[pastel brook]

with bennett, sucrose, xingqiu and fischl existing genshin already has plenty of generalist supports

[spring iron]

Tough shit then

[dry warren]

Shinobu doesnt need cons tho

[spring iron]

He's got his place with itto

[tiny sedge]

Most gacha game you do not build every single character you have Also i doubt you have enough resin for it either

[mental topaz]

I do and I did

[spring iron]

A C6 4* a lot of times can take longer to get than a fucking guaranteed C0 5*

[distant wadi]

Yeah dont complain about your luck, i got c4 thoma too from standard banner

[olive coral]

This

[olive coral]

Are you happy?

[tulip zealot]

yep
i think on avg you will get c2 before you get 7 copies of a 4* for the c6

[amber plover]

Only Sara is basically unplayable pre C6 ngl
Gorou functions as intended at C0

[spring iron]

And that's why I think it's bullshit how they made sara

[pastel brook]

Gorou works fine

[spring iron]

When you have her C6, she's great

For her y'know, niche

[olive coral]

I pulled on the Raiden banner and I got 0 copies of her :(

[pastel brook]

and Sara is playable at c2 for instance but ofc there's better options

[quiet sonnet]

C2 Sara is useless

[amber plover]

Yea

[distant wadi]

Well ayaka hutao ayato and raiden has a good 4 star that works with them, if you want every 4* released by mihoyo to work around them that is greedy i think

[spring iron]

I think they realized they shouldn't have made her niche C6

Bc they made gorous actual niche functional at C0

As they should.

[quiet sonnet]

If not c6, Sara is dogshit

[tulip zealot]

and his best constellations are evenly spaced, C3 and C6

[quiet sonnet]

Yeah, thank god Gorou is still usefull at c0

[dreamy kite]

And they should not, same for 5* if you want to add more possibilities in the game. Nevertheless, we can feel the limits already and I guess Sumeru will be the last region before to raise the power of new characters and also the content will be harder (maybe more level etc..)

[tulip zealot]

so it's not an all or nothing with gorou

[spring iron]

I'll say tho

[olive coral]

And yet most people keep arguing that Sara is a brilliant electro support without including the fact that you need her at c6

[spring iron]

Assuming C6 that's the case

But otherwise, TToDS Lisa baby

That def shred and atk up

[muted light]

i feel like atp i should just go pure elemental mastery on shinobu. EM on weapon and all of her artifacts

[distant wadi]

Ofc im sad, but what i can do? I just focus on other 4* that i have

[olive coral]

Which not everyone has… for the average player, Sara is clunky at best

[quiet sonnet]

Sara is clunky af, the only redeeming thing is the c6 and getting a 4* to c6 might take a LOOONG time. I hate how they did that

[pastel brook]

I've never seen anyone say that about sara without bringing up the fact she needs to be c6

[muted light]

they gave yae miko elemental mastery signififance and now kuki too, i feel like she'll get stronger with dendro combinations

[spring iron]

Tho, I'll also say about C6 sara

Shes actually also a pretty damn good AoE nuker

[hollow cipher]

i wouldnt say yaes em passive is significant, it just makes em worth about the same as a flat atk roll on her

[pastel brook]

C6 Sara is broken, pre C6 Sara is just average

her personal dps at c6 is huge

[spring iron]

Her team with Raiden literally frontloads 2 nukes

That's so nice

E before Q is some nice dmg

[gaunt pivot]

this will change with on field yae + intensify

[olive coral]

I don’t even have Bennett or XQ at c6 and I’ve been playing this game since the very beginning. Getting constellations is harder than people make it out to be

[amber plover]

I assume that Kuki, unlike Yae, will actually wanna go full EM once Dendro comes out considering how low her personal damage is while having decent application

[gaunt pivot]

it will be at least an atk % roll

[spring iron]

So if I remember right

[hollow cipher]

[spring iron]

Each time intensify is procced it buffs both dendro and electro DMG right?

[gaunt pivot]

nope

[hollow cipher]

it buffs the one that was applied first

[muted light]

i will just get shinobu when dendro releases, but im so impatient

[hollow cipher]

so if electro triggers the reaction, it buffs dendro

[distant wadi]

Well clunky is based on how every player like to play, i agree its hard to play sara but the same thing can be said about bennet too, i hate to stay in circle when every mobs is outside and i need to chase after every single one of them

[hollow cipher]

if dendro triggers, it buffs electro

[gaunt pivot]

they can co exist, but you need to trigger the reaction both ways

[spring iron]

I don't see how kuki then will be particularly good for dendro tbh

Bc that shit will have an ICD

That will make her hit count not matter much

Compared to any other electro

[quiet sonnet]

me neither, I think it's just copium inhaling

[spring iron]

Fischl by the same rationale will be insane for dendro

Except more so

[gaunt pivot]

dendro will be insane for fischl*

[amber plover]

It's 1 proc per 3 seconds along with 5 per lower than 50% hp burst
All in AoE
Fischl is restricted to single target

[quiet sonnet]

she will trigger intensify and is a healer at the same time, that's it

[sinful orchid]

Sara pre-C6 isn't really "average" she's inferior to many alternatives, including free ones like Lisa, so pre-C6 Sara just isn't worth mentionning in general

[glad harness]

2 more hours!

[olive coral]

Before c2, I need to use her e, dodge like s multimilimeter back (-_- for literally no reason) and then charge aim shot her buff and hope I don’t get pummeled in the meanwhile and then pick up her buff with the character that needs to be buffed before it explodes!

Omg if that’s not clunky, you got me fooled

[glad harness]

[gaunt pivot]

you want bad ICD on the buffer, and good ICD on the dps

[distant wadi]

I cn give you tips on this, save your pull for a guaranteed 5 star, i mean like 150 pulls, this is what i do on zhongli banner and i got 5 cooies of beidou, 6 copy of xq and 4 copies of yanfei

[tulip zealot]

what if you build over-burn with kuki? electro into burning to trigger overload + intensify

instead of going all in on intensify

or whatever the electro dendro reaction is

[cursive hatch]

has anyone tried physical kuki yet?

[muted light]

just dont

[distant wadi]

Yeah its weird, but at least her cons solved her problem

[cursive hatch]

anyones physical if your brave enough

[gaunt pivot]

not sure if dendro stays with burning, it has a special icon, might work like freeze

[spring iron]

As cope as any other phys unit that isn't eula or razor

[quiet sonnet]

haven't tried it and won't because it is expensive but it should work, just a copium build ofc

[sinful orchid]

many people, there's even a weapon guide in the mastersheet

[olive coral]

I did that too, somehow all the characters I want have all the 4 stars I don’t want. that’s how I got c50 chongyun

[muted light]

id probably go physical if its just world exploration, but for abyss i wouldnt build her physical

[tulip zealot]

true
we have to wait and see
but it could work maybe?
gets nice dmg with EM while buffing the dendro subdps

[dreamy kite]

It is but most of the time and I'm saying most, C1 or C2 are way enough.
Benny C1, Sara C2, Xingqiu C2 and Xiangling C4 but it's easy to get when playing from the start of the game.

Kuki is clearly an unit made for Dendro, that's why she is a bit underwhelming, and we have no idea about the final mechanics so we'll see :p

[glad harness]

2 more hourssss!

[quiet sonnet]

[olive coral]

Benny c1, yes. Xiangling c4 yes.. but Sara needs c6 to be the support she was meant to be for Raiden

Or for electro units in general

[distant wadi]

Thats happen to me too dont worry, i got like 10 xq that makes me really hate xq to the point i dont wanna use him

[olive coral]

I remember pulling for XQ on kokomi’s banner and then got an early kokomi in 20 pulls and no XQ

Had to stop cause I was saving for albedo

[distant wadi]

Well sara c2 has around the same thing like bennet c1

[olive coral]

Would you say at c2 she’s worth building though? Especially when you have a crowned Bennett already built?

[quiet sonnet]

Sara c2

[dreamy kite]

Sara C2 is enough you can clear the abyss with even if I do agree that her power spike on C6 is really far and she was made for Raiden. But she is not unplayable without, she can fit teams well. Without C2, I don't think it's worth to play her because you will not have the QoL in abyss and you need to put more skill 😂

[tulip zealot]

maybe if you want to field both at the same time? we can't clone units yet

[distant wadi]

Which kokomi banner? I remember too pulling for kokomi rerun and got a jean and xq which i hate because xq isnt even on her banner

[olive coral]

The first one

[olive coral]

Meh honestly, I find it too clunky. I don’t have her even at c0, but at this point, I don’t care enough to want to get her

[quiet sonnet]

Sara c2 is a waste of resources and team space

[dreamy kite]

Actually I have units which are not the best but I leveled them up because I love them, the design, the animations. Like Chongyun for example

[distant wadi]

Well, id say she is worth it, i dont care if you have bennet built or not because i like to build more characters than farming arti for a better substat for my dps

[olive coral]

Yo, chongyun is actually good. At the end of his e, he also grants something like a 10% cryo resistance shred too

[amber plover]

Sara C2 is suboptimal to use but also not the worst choice ngl

[heavy stump]

Am I alone with this or is Kuki just kinda Cope?

[olive coral]

She is cope.

[dreamy kite]

And I have friends playing Aloy in abyss also 👍 :p

[heavy stump]

in every way imaginable

[quiet sonnet]

Sara c2 is: just go for Lisa, Rational or EC Raiden until you get her c6

[gaunt pivot]

there is an Ayato team that uses Sara c2 cause benny uptime doesn't match the rotation, we could get other teams like that

[olive coral]

Okay I like aloy too. Her 8% attk increase on her passive, is actually helpful for my Ayaka

[mental topaz]

Aloy is a great battery

[olive coral]

Plus that massive er battery

I low key prefer her over Rosaria

[quiet sonnet]

damn, copium supply is high in here

[unborn vapor]

Kuki / Xinyan / Aloy / [?]
Who is the fourth team member? :^)

[quiet sonnet]

Thoma

[olive coral]

You kind of got to deal with what you get :’)

[distant wadi]

Like i said before dont pull a banner just for the 4 star, if you do this you should ready to have multiple 4 star with low cons like c1-c3. If you saved all of them and use it on one banner you can get one or two 4 * with high cons

[gaunt pivot]

AMC

[olive coral]

My sincere opinion for anyone on the edge for itto/kuki, don’t pull for kuki unless you have ayato and run a taser team

[quiet sonnet]

I'm still mad about how bad Mhy handled the Aloy collab

[spring iron]

I kinda wish with Sara that they put her larger wings on top and smaller on bottom

[olive coral]

It’s okay I get mad everytime I think about 4 stars lately T-T I completely understand. Aloy’s icd is so unnecessary.

[spring iron]

But I do really like her overall deaign

Wings help out with the coolness

[unborn vapor]

I have Chongyun C1, no Gorou and no Kuki. Am neutral on Itto, he seems fun but I don't have to have him. Will probably pull today while leaving well enough wishes for Kazuha and then some

[marsh palm]

Aloy is a pretty good battery with sac bow and a good nobless buffer

[olive coral]

Which actually doesn’t always work for the characters they’re on the banner with. I.e getting a c6 chongyun for Ayaka wasn’t really worth it. Cause I don’t even use him

[marsh palm]

And her passive that gives a little bit of atk as well

[gaunt pivot]

and needing 4 stacks to get the infusion with ICD for each stack

[olive coral]

Yes, this is why I like her more than Rosa

[quiet sonnet]

and no cons because fuck it is a free character

[gaunt pivot]

where is Horizon 3 for C1 Aloy?

[marsh palm]

We will get a cons once per anniversary

[dreamy kite]

Aloy is a burst support battery, the ones who tried to play her with Cryo infusion are so brave

[olive coral]

We about to get a free weapon next patch that’s gonna be like that, no refines for “this is a sword”

[gaunt pivot]

well if she was good it would suck for people who didn't play that patch not having a way to get her

[quiet sonnet]

Other games: here you have your collab event with a side story, an event shop and your collab character

Mihoyo: here you have your mail with a 2* character and a web event. Oh and as a bonus a useless weapon you can only use on PS. You are welcome.

[distant wadi]

There is this another strategy that you could use, i usually have a very low pity like under 5, when i see a banner with 3 good 4* i usually roll on it like 40 to 60 times depending on the result, this is what i do on ayato banner. I pulled like 50 on that banner even though i dont want ayato, if i get ayato i dont think it as i lose 50 pulls, i think it as 50 pulls investment for some 4* cons

[cursive hatch]

im suprised their doing another crossover character with that Honkai dude

you'd think they wouldnt be so willing to do that

[tulip zealot]

i do the same

[gaunt pivot]

it will be like Yae, Raiden, not like Aloy

[distant wadi]

This help me alot when i pull for yelan banner, all 4* is useless for me but i got her in 20 pulls so not many wasted 4* cons

[cursive hatch]

OHH

[tulip zealot]

still sometimes 60 pulls isn't enough to get a 4* sadly

i had to do that strat on like 3 banners to finally get a single rosaria

[olive coral]

I’m pretty sure kazuha’s banner will have xinyan on it.

[cursive hatch]

my xinyans C6 :(

[olive coral]

More starglitter I guess…

[distant wadi]

Yeah this is why i wait for 3 good 4* since getting which one doesnt matter

[quiet sonnet]

[sinful orchid]

it's not the same, but Fischl is litteraly in Honkai, so... why not?

[distant wadi]

Just skip kazuha imo, sucrose can do his job just fine

[olive coral]

I mean yanfei was on yelan’ s banner

[olive coral]

Sure, I’ll listen to you :)

[quiet sonnet]

don't do my girl dirty and compare her with Xinyan 😔

[olive coral]

Except I only hsve c0 sucrose

And it took only 2 years to get a single copy of her

[spring iron]

Uhhh

Depends entirely on the team

[dry warren]

game isnt even 2y old yet

[olive coral]

Close enough…

[spring iron]

If it's a freeze team or hyper Raiden team? Then sucrose most definitely does not do kazuha's job

In nationals? Sure

[distant wadi]

Well, honestly yanfei is what i hope to get in yelan's banner but what i can do when mihoyo give me barbs and noel

[quiet sonnet]

In national she's better than Kazuha, but yeah for mono teams and freeze Kazuha is king

[distant wadi]

Ouch i feel sorry for you

[olive coral]

I’m getting kazuha for my Ayaka

[spring iron]

Higher ceiling, but kazuha is much easier to use for that in general

Easier double swirl

And better CC

[olive coral]

Then I only need to save for shenhe and I’ll have my expensive 5 star support team for Ayaka: Ayaka, shenhe, kokomi and kazuha

[distant wadi]

I only have c0 sucrose too but after i pull on ayato banners i got c2 sucrose now

[olive coral]

Kind of funny, since sucrose isn’t even on his banner

[quiet sonnet]

idk, in kazu national XQ's swords can fuck over the double swirl if you are too close to your enemy, in Sucrose national you just simply swirl guoba

[distant wadi]

Wait im sure there is a banner with sucrose xiangling and yunjin

[quiet sonnet]

both are good but Sucrose is 4*

[spring iron]

Ahhh ok

I was thinking of ayato or Childe as the hydro

[olive coral]

I guess a bigger problem for me is what to do with new characters, I am at >90% on almost everything in Genshin

[spring iron]

With XQ Ye it's different

[distant wadi]

I just checked sucrose is indeed on ayato banner, why you said she isnt there lok

[quiet sonnet]

what I really hate about Sucrose is her c6 and that bullshit infusing

it doesn't happen when you need it

[olive coral]

Oh she was? :O idk I got 2 yunjin’s and a bunch of xianglings

[spring iron]

I've actually used C6 sucrose to do hyper Raiden to still reasonable success

[distant wadi]

I hope fischl is on yoimiya banner, if this happen im pretty sure i can get her c6

[spring iron]

It's not Terribly hard to swirl the electro

Buuut

Would much, much rather have kazoo

[quiet sonnet]

it's kind of random, the hitbox is wonky

[olive coral]

Same, I now have 20k primos for kazuha

[distant wadi]

Yeah i remember it since its recent banner, i got 2 xl 2 yunjin and 2 sucrose on ayato banner

[olive coral]

With 41 pity. I am so happy kuki is a major skip XD got to save my pity just in case

And I wasn’t tempted to pull

[quiet sonnet]

also, ttods in Raiden hyper is such a pain and not worth the trouble for buffing Raiden

[spring iron]

But yeah

For non reaction teams, which are pretty relevant with Raiden and ayaka

Kazuha is staple

[quiet sonnet]

yeah, totally worth it since Raiden and Ayaka are so stronk

[spring iron]

Depends on what you play

[distant wadi]

Well i dont really dislike kazooha, its just i have sucrose and venti ready to do vv jobs on my team while i only have yanfei as pyro dps, getting yoimiya over kazooha is better for me i think

[spring iron]

Yoimiya as a practical choice?

Or as a liked unit

[distant wadi]

As an alternative for abyss

[quiet sonnet]

at that point is a matter of preference, it's always better to get Kazoo but if you already have Venti and Sucrose you could skip and go for waifu. I wouldn't do it tho

[spring iron]

Like if your favorite units are hu tao and Itto?

[dusky ginkgo]

Is it worth running shinobu as a sub dps?

[spring iron]

Kazuha ain't a pull that's at all necessary for you

Or terribly helpful

[distant wadi]

I mean i forced to use xingling and bennet on 12-2 since that floor has all cryo on it

[quiet sonnet]

no

[dusky ginkgo]

pain

[quiet sonnet]

I mean, you can go full EM for heals and some overload dmg but her personal dmg aside from overload is BAD even with high investment

[amber plover]

I should try childe taser with kuki actually

I assume Childe would prefer Beidou over Yae

lemme do that

[quiet sonnet]

it will work just worse than the alternatives

[spring iron]

Question

[distant wadi]

Well like i said its not for waifu lol, getting yoi as a pyro main dps is better for me since i hate it when yanfei charged atk interupted

[spring iron]

If you keep Childe on field for 7 seconds

How long is his CD

Bc people talk about his rotations being scuffed for taser

But

Isn't it the same field time.management as internat??

Manual* field time management

[amber plover]

Childe taser with Bennett is kinda ech tho
You really want Kazuha if possible
Unless you run healerless in which case Kuki is obviously a DPS loss

[distant wadi]

While sucrose can do her job, which is some grouping and vv shred with +20 er main stat and all other vv artis +0

[quiet sonnet]

I'd rather use Childe, Bennett, Fischl, Kazoo instead if you really need the healing. Fischl snapshotting will do way more than what Kuki provides

[spring iron]

How well does Childe even do that soup team?

Bc I'm aware that's Ayato's

[quiet sonnet]

worse than ayato

[spring iron]

Tho idk how good the comp is in general

Like, is it worth the Bennett and kazuha

Compared to Childe or raiden

Both at C0 ofc

[quiet sonnet]

nah, it's better than using Kuki instead of Bennett but worse than vap Childe

[spring iron]

I just don't know how to gauge it tbh

It sheets higher than internat, but so do a lot of other teams

[amber plover]

That is better but it's also soup at this point so /shrug

[quiet sonnet]

Still viable, also Childe, Bei, Fischl, Benny is a viable taser but I don't like the rotations there

[spring iron]

But internat frontloadedness kills abyss mobs more easily

[quiet sonnet]

taser Childe makes me want to play Ayato taser or Sucrose taser lol

or even Qiqi taser

[gaunt pivot]

shock rock ningg

[quiet sonnet]

not saying that it doesn't work but don't like the rotations

[spring iron]

As far as I recalled

Childe EC teams have a not too unsimilar ceiling to ayato ones

Buuut, it's the same field time management and he loses his nuke

[quiet sonnet]

I haven't used it in a long time but is no butter smooth like Ayato's taser, that's for sure

[spring iron]

The wide off field hydro app helps so much

[quiet sonnet]

yep, and the long range with the attacks

[spring iron]

Childe can prolly do similar if not better personal dps if shits more clustered

But shit could be just out of reach

Ayato E is better for that

And his Q also benefits with Clusters

[quiet sonnet]

Sucrose still wins as a driver tho

Imagine maxing your ayato just to lose against the furry 4* alchemist

[amber plover]

Yea Childe taser is very meh

[spring iron]

How do you know that tho?

As a pure driver sure

But overall team dps?

[gaunt pivot]

not really the same time management, his cd for the same uptime is double

[spring iron]

Oh no shit?

Damn ok

So it is fairly scuff to maintain similar uptime to ayato

[quiet sonnet]

having tried both teams I most of the times do better times with Sucrose. That anemo cc is no joke. Against bosses... IDK, maybe Ayato is better

[spring iron]

Guess it just depends on what specific team you run

Like

I'd argue that you could survive easily with just Beidou and kazuha

Beidou shield

And Kazuha jumps to dodge most of everything

While grouping

[quiet sonnet]

Ayato, Bei, Fischl, Kazu? Tbh I don't love to use Ayato without healer or shield since he practically is a tower during his E

[spring iron]

Reasonable

But really, he only loses as much dashing as any other unit

[gaunt pivot]

maybe with yae taking the other 6s it would feel similar

[spring iron]

Like

6s isn't hard to cover for with that team

[quiet sonnet]

that team is very strong tho if you manage to not get hit without losing to much E uptime

[spring iron]

Ayato's E is really strong

I like that a bunch of rots use it 2 times

That's some pretty heavy personal dps output in a rotation

Also

Hooooolly shit

This is like eons off topic with kuki

Forgot I wasn't in TC lounge

[quiet sonnet]

yep, I really like Ayato, Jean c2, Fischl and Kazuha or Bei

oh shit this is kuki

tc

[distant wadi]

Lol, where we should go if i want to discuss thing like this?

[quiet sonnet]

lmao

[spring iron]

TC lounge ig?

Packed

[quiet sonnet]

yeah

[distant wadi]

Oh i though we are in tc lounge lol, didnt realized this is kuki tc

[gaunt pivot]

lmao triple

[spring iron]

Eh screw it

[distant wadi]

Why they didnt release kuki tc like heizou tc or yelan tc?

[spring iron]

Replies are a thing for a reason

If we move chats

[quiet sonnet]

is not like there is much to say about kuki

[distant wadi]

Yeah honestly im fine with her E, but her Q feels very weird to me, like what is that Q supposed to do, its just like amber Q with higher cost

[quiet sonnet]

the Q is so bad

[gaunt pivot]

mods said threads are better for some reason, but threads have a limit so they can't risk with popular characters or the only new character in a patch

[quiet sonnet]

that dmg is so.. depressing

[distant wadi]

I mean im so ready to get her a copy since her E feels like walking statue for overworld like kokomi, but her Q...

[heavy stump]

Two new characters this patch one gets a channel it's usually the 5* the other a thread as to why idk. Heizou got a channel since he is the only new character

In 2.8

[distant wadi]

Well i imagine what they do on like 3 or 4 new characters in one sumeru patch lol

[gaunt pivot]

3 new + DMC

[quiet sonnet]

I use her in overworld with double hydro (yelan, XQ) as a pretty driver lol, she's very pretty, at least she has that

[gaunt pivot]

when people said kuki would be a big dps loss I wasn't expecting 3 digit numbers 💀, I know she is built full healer/support here but still... 💀

[leaden silo]

so even with an em build, she won't do much dmg ?

[gaunt pivot]

she has like 100 EM in the trial and deals 2k in EC, the build is fav lv80 + TotM HP/HP/HB

1.6k in burst

lv8 talents

[hollow cairn]

im trying out phys kuki and its so fun

she can spam so many charged attacks

[gaunt pivot]

are you using N1CA?

or N3?

[hollow cairn]

im just using her in overworld so i mix it up tbh

but mostly N1CA ig?

[gaunt pivot]

just curious cause i didn't find her atks to be super fast

[hollow cairn]

not the fastest but they dont feel slow to me

seems pretty fluid at least

tho i dont use any sword dps charas myself either

[olive coral]

The fact that even my kokomi who can’t crit does more dmg than her

[olive coral]

Em build seems to be the way to go. I’ve seen her hit 20k overloads

Provided she’s the one triggering the overloads or electrocharged reactions

[leaden silo]

i have an em sand from the electro set. can i give her 2p thundering 2p millelith ?

with iron sting

[olive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/little-witch-academia-sucy-shrug-gif-25463727

No idea, honestly doesn’t seem bad. I’d go with 4 peice tenacity just cause it gives your active party member 20% attk buff

[gaunt pivot]

everyone says build EM for overload, but in what team

[olive coral]

Overload team comps come with a caveat though, don’t go overload when it’s a bunch of small enemies, cause likely it’ll knock them out of her ring’s range

But against big weighty enemies, I’m guessing any constant pyro applicator would be good? Maybe xiangling Bennett and kuki?

[leaden silo]

i tried XL and it's dank

[olive coral]

Dank as in bad?

[gaunt pivot]

don't think sacrificing XL vapes is worth for 1 overload every 3s

[olive coral]

If I can brutally honest, kuki feels copium. People are hoping dendro will fix her. Or that there is some grand plan with dendro to make her reactions even better… Think of that as you will

All I can say is, if you have her, build her on full em.

Preferably with a 4 piece tenacity set for the party attk buff

[tulip zealot]

sunfire jean is an option
klee should work too, take rev melt and place kuki instead of the cryo

[gaunt pivot]

wouldn't Lisa be better in sunfire? Or she applies too much?

[tulip zealot]

and in the future i hope dendro will enable intensify + overload at the same time by applying electro on a burning enemy

i dunno, but lisa doesn't heal unless she has prototype catalyst

and without raiden she has ER issues

[gaunt pivot]

jean...

[tulip zealot]

you're right i forgot

and there is benny too in that comp

[gaunt pivot]

oh god triple healer

[tulip zealot]

the sad thing is her electro app is kinda slow too i think
i'm not sure but it seems like she applies it every other pulse

[gaunt pivot]

i think in all the comps you said benny is there, using kuki is just if you really want to force using her

yep

[tulip zealot]

yea
i dunno maybe you want to play klee without benny to escape circle impact

[gaunt pivot]

so you can go chase impact instead

[tulip zealot]

tbf klee sends enemies flying with or without overload
not even lawachurls can stand their ground against dodoco tactical nukes

[gaunt pivot]

yeah it's great

[olive coral]

You’ll never die

https://tenor.com/view/mitsuri-tqt-gif-21435295

[gaunt pivot]

skill issue moment and raiden boss instakills

[leaden silo]

as in good ehe

[tulip zealot]

that's why you drive with c6 kuki

literally can't die

[gaunt pivot]

c6 barbara powercreep

[olive coral]

A tankier team than geo zhong comp

Kuki sunfire

[glad harness]

AAAAAAH I misclicked and crowned her Q

[leaden silo]

that sounds delish

[glad harness]

[leaden silo]

there, there

[olive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/natsu-lol-fairy-tail-laughing-gif-9388677

[gaunt pivot]

time to change your build to HP/Electro/Crit

[unborn vapor]

ok so I got Kuki and Gorou in my first 10-pull, I think I'll leave it at that ^^

[gaunt pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[olive coral]

Epic embed fail 😂 kuki must have touched it

But honestly, go for full em build, it’s not that bad the more I look into it. And she can heal somewhat too… so it seems to be good

I wouldn’t really recommend people to pull on her, especially if you’re close to pity and risking getting an itto

[olive coral]

And this is a lvl 80/80 talent lvl 8,8,8 kuki.. what does her lvl 20, talent lvl 1,1,1 dmg do? 12 dmg?

[night shoal]

For a mono electro, what substats should i look for? Hp and ER?

[leaden silo]

i have her at 406 EM (artifacts not upgraded yet) and she did 689 with her skill

i really want her to be more than healer but it seems impossible ;-;