kuki-theorycrafting

[fast rapids]

still more alive than mihoyos hype for kuki

[tawdry bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792700322346172417/890964270651682846/17c17800ec518da8c.gif

[fast rapids]

🤝

[shrewd crescent]

Sussy

[glad harness]

I just want they remove the standard icd on kuki

[unkempt ginkgo]

any buffs changes?

[lofty lily]

we got a letter

[pastel brook]

saw the ping, thought it was kuki buffs but it's just abyss lineup when will the pain end

[unkempt ginkgo]

what letter?

[lofty lily]

y

[tropic jacinth]

But she did recieve changes

"Huge /j Shinobu Changes

Goei Narukami Kariyama Rite -> Gyoei Narukami Kariyama Rite "

[unkempt ginkgo]

so it no longer says Go Ei

[pastel brook]

doesn't count

[unkempt ginkgo]

I'd say it's a shadow buff

[lofty lily]

darn now she can't cheer for raiden, absolute nerf

[pastel brook]

unless hoyo follow through my buff proposition of giving shinobu 1% def shred for every 10 letters in her skill name

[pastel brook]

[unkempt ginkgo]

why cheer someone who give you weak vision?

[shut horizon]

I saw the leak what is the huge buff they are talking about

[rare abyss]

It's a joke

[tawdry bone]

oh shit

what if

Kuki is like that because she forgot to get her vision from the statue

And she's just pretending to have one

[shut horizon]

[warped saddle]

So she just makes her sword into a ring surrounding her which pulsates without elemental magic stuff?

[calm ice]

Kuki kopers are winning

https://tenor.com/view/little-girl-wave-bye-fearless-im-out-gif-16585880

[tawdry bone]

Yes.

[hollow cairn]

there go my dreams of dps kuki

[daring owl]

these kuki buffs are insane

[unique sphinx]

The sheer amount of copium I see everytime I come here..sigh...

[pastel brook]

number 1 in the copelympics iktr!!!

[daring owl]

wished it didnt have to be this way

[unique sphinx]

I know right

[torpid oak]

[tough trout]

its ok guys kuki will def be buffed tomorrow

[dark geyser]

what exactly needs to be buffed

[main bay]

anything

[dark geyser]

what mostly should be buffed tho

[main bay]

Imo utility on the burst

[dark geyser]

hmm yea

the burst kinda short

[main bay]

If kit changes are out and its just numbers

Then improve her Energy gen and icd and HP E scaling

[median sapphire]

Everything

Everything needs to be buffed

Altho if I had to pick one, it’d be energy gen

Followed closely by burst dmg, then icd

[crimson umbra]

def energy gen, i dont think buffing her dmg would give her better use case right?

[main bay]

No not dmg she just needs more utility to justify a slot somewhere

If i was in charge id make her burst have a dmg% bonus like omen and her constellation with the 5s lightning strike be a pared down version of that same bonus

Or shred in the same capacity

[crimson umbra]

def either electro shred or higher energy bat yeah, maybe both

[tough trout]

i want kuki to shred please hoyoverse

[mental stag]

dont worry .. it wont happen after this point

not any tonage of cope can make that happen sadly

[tough trout]

[oak sorrel]

Is there any discussion about Kuki as a healer to the O.G. taser team in place of fischl? e.g. Sucrose/Beidou/Kuki/Xingqiu

I'm assuming it's just bad

[hollow river]

I mean there’s been changes in post production before

Or prelaunch or whatever they call the last change window

Not that i think itll happen with kuki but theres a chance

Kinda weird they didn’t buff her cons tho cuz it just gives less incentive to spend on her

[tawdry bone]

Kokomi got a massive buff after the beta ended

they got rid of the standard ICD on the jellyfish

But... 5* unit

[bronze trail]

Don’t worry guys

kuki will get a massive buff on release

(I’m going feral)

[unkempt ginkgo]

hungry? have a kuki

[spare torrent]

Just wanted to play as an eccentric ninja.

Dreams dead.

[unkempt ginkgo]

get Xiao

[spare torrent]

Xiao isn't a kooky shinobi.

[heady flower]

How xiao either of those things?

[rare abyss]

i really hope they do the Zhongli treatment on Kuki

we just need the CN community to complain

[hollow river]

CN has complained nonstop abt Yae and she didnt get the ZL treatment

highly doubt a 4* will

[rare abyss]

i still have hopium

[hollow cairn]

dendro reactions trust

[rare abyss]

[tired berry]

I wonder if they’ll do a fix by her rerun or not at all. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t Zhongli’s changes implemented when his rerun were due?

[deft atlas]

nah, 1.3, his rerun was 1.5

[tired berry]

Lemme pick up the tissue box and cry for a bit

[green dagger]

I remember people saying the mystery banner in 1.3 was ZL cause of his buffs

[deft atlas]

[bronze trail]

[bronze trail]

ok guys i have a theory

What if they want to make kuki better and have all of these ideas to implement them

but they can’t bc of CN situation rn

[wooden sundial]

I unironically think the CN situation is fucking with beta hard

As for if this means Kuki is screwed or if she gets delayed to 2.8, idk

[main bay]

If thats truly the case hopefully they do thing that doesn’t compromise the end product

[bronze trail]

[hollow river]

no his fixes were the patch after

I mean kuki is on the higher end of new 4* releases tbh lol

I really doubt theyll change her if they didnt do anything to make thoma better

the only thing i can kinda hope for is her cons being better since thoma at least has good cons improvements despite being an eh unit

& kuki cons are completely irrelevant besides c2

since theres a profit incentive to having good cons like Sara

Sara is a completely dogwater unit without her c6

but she isnt considered that bad because of it

[main bay]

As myopic as I personally think it is, I never got the impression hyv ever showed concern for 4* character.

[hollow river]

*new 4stars theres benny xq xl fischl after all

but ye for the most part

except i think they usually do in their cons which is the weird part of kuki for me since they have high motivation cons on most new 4* releases like c6 sara, c6 yun, c6 dio, etc.

[main bay]

Launch chars are different. They didnt have nearly as much play data

[hollow river]

but c6 kuki is like a 100 flat healing buff and 30dmg bonus lol

[hollow river]

they did in CN. People in CN have been running international since launch and selling XL forever cuz of beta info

thats why xl was a free 4*

because people in CN beta found out she was super op and she became super hyped

[main bay]

Yea iirc xiangling was actually heavily nerfed before release

[hollow river]

she was actually nerfed a bit before launch

[wooden sundial]

No?

This is the worst kit that's ever been launched

Not even close

[hollow river]

for c0, yes definitely

[wooden sundial]

Like for any con

Kuki's cons aren't good

[hollow river]

id much rather have c0 kuki than c0 sara lol

i agree if we factor in cons

but for a c0 4* shes above most new releases

her cons are just useless

which is what i dont get since they made it so u have no value for rolling copies of her lol

[wooden sundial]

Kuki's whole kit is undertuned

You get no value for the first copy

[main bay]

She seems pretty weak at c0

[wooden sundial]

Like Sara only getting slots at C6 is a problem, sure

Kuki can't even get that

[hollow river]

ive said it a lot but SuKukimon

she's pretty much Koko but her niche is exclusively to sucrose driver instead of also having access to freeze

[main bay]

Sara gets slots at c2. She just not a top meta pick until c6

[hollow river]

she uses fav better and can funnel XL energy easily so she makes Sucrose driver with Xiangling much easier to play

and gives u a healer

[wooden sundial]

And a lot of this is because Benny exists

Sara has to push past that bar

Kuki's bar to clear is actually quite low and she still fucks it up

[hollow river]

not rly

[wooden sundial]

Yes though?

[hollow river]

there is no bar because shes the only electro healer unless u count amber lisa

[wooden sundial]

Her kit isn't optimized around reactions, her healing isn't good enough, her damage definitely isn't good enough

[cold pumice]

Ballstomper here thinks Kuki can replace fischl in EC teams

[wooden sundial]

The problem is that practically every comp can swap to a different element healer and do better

Even with an opportunity cost

[hollow river]

her E healing is close to koko/barb levels off-field but ticks 2x-4x as fast but heals less a tick

her healing really isnt that bad

and healing doesnt need to be crazy in this game

[wooden sundial]

Again, her having very mediocre healing would be fine if she brought anything else

[hollow river]

she still ToTM buffs, uses fav well, and applies electro

[wooden sundial]

That's not much

[hollow river]

shes also incredibly low investment

[wooden sundial]

That really isn't

[wooden sundial]

This argument is almost always a backhanded compliment
This usually just means the scaling is shit

[hollow river]

you can run lvl1 fav no ER and like 2 hp mainstats and get close to her ceiling in potential

i agree but it makes her easy to use too

[wooden sundial]

Okay, easy to be worse than her competitors

That's not a win

If her bar to entry was low and she had meta comps

That's a different story

[hollow river]

her only competitor in Sucrose Driver is Koko and she really isnt that worse. The DPS loss from dropping XQ for Koko shouldnt be too far off from dropping fischl for Kuki 🤷

[green dagger]

no lmao
XL was a busted Phys Carry in beta cause her CA was broken
I think her CA could hit the same enemy multiple times
that + Crescent Pike = busted

[wooden sundial]

Koko is like that

[hollow river]

she also uses fav better to funnel into xl

XL sucrose driver with Koko is almost unplayable cuz u cant rly get xl burst off cd

[wooden sundial]

If you want to force a healer into Sucrose taser, you're better off just doing Qiqi or Koko Taser

[hollow river]

im not saying tazer

im saying XQ, Kuki, XL, Sucrose

[wooden sundial]

So scuffed Sucrose National?

[hollow river]

no its SuKokomon but with Kuki instead of Fischl instead of Koko instead of XQ

[wooden sundial]

You do realize Koko is essential for SuKokomon, yes?

[cold pumice]

You cannot replace fishcl in EC teams, because they're not EC teams, they're fishcl teams

[hollow river]

its a variation with Kuki so SuKukimon

[wooden sundial]

I don't mean because of the name

[hollow river]

idk its almost definitely worse but i doubt its worse by that much

[wooden sundial]

The way Koko's hydro app works is why that comp works

[hollow river]

no xq is literally better than her in it

he just isnt usually used in it cuz he has better teams

but with yelan u have 2 xqs

sucrose swirls hydro on everyone

so her aoe app is irrelevant

[wooden sundial]

No, that isn't why

Sukokomon isn't a Sucrose driver team

It's a transformative comp that abuses Gouba swirls

[rose tiger]

is there a sheet showing xq is the better pick

[hollow river]

I just remember from Koko TC that both were tested by someone and XQ outperformed but idk maybe clam changed that or smthn

feel like xq should still be better from raw dmg tho

maybe im wrong but theres quite a few teams that kuki can work on

im not saying shes optimal or the best meta pick in any

[wooden sundial]

Yes, that's the issue

She's the first electro healer and still can't get a comp

That should be a red flag

[hollow river]

I mean she works by the same virtue of nearly any other healer

[wooden sundial]

No, no, not at all

[hollow river]

you sacrifice a damage slot for healing lol

with the side req of needing fav

shes a fine funnel

[wooden sundial]

There are plenty of healers where you don't actually need to make the sacrifice, really

Or the damage loss is nominal

Benny, Koko, Jean, even Sayu all have competitive comps

Qiqi Taser is much better post-Ocean

[hollow river]

i mean jean/benny aren't included for obvious reasons

[wooden sundial]

Why not?

[hollow river]

but if we're talking about being a meta pick or w.e. it's weird u brought up sayu

[wooden sundial]

They exist, they heal

[hollow river]

well new units esp 4* just follow a different powerlevel trend

[wooden sundial]

Sayu is a new 4*

Koko is a new 5*

[hollow river]

sayu is literally worse than jean in any team shes ran in

[wooden sundial]

No, she has her own teams

[hollow river]

the sayu main logged on

💀

[simple cypress]

There are significant differences between Sayu and Jean where circumstances can tilt in favor of one over the other

[green dagger]

lmao, name checks out

[rose tiger]

i vastly prefer sayu even when mine has a shit build

i’d only run jean for sunfire

[wooden sundial]

Jean, Benny, Diona, Sayu, etc. all have features that make them attractive besides the healing

And quite frankly, all of them do a better job of making you not dead than Kuki

[hollow river]

just cuz you dont like what kuki offers doesnt mean she doesnt have any

she uses fav well, runs ToTM, and is low investment

you might not value those but she has advantages

[wooden sundial]

Diona can run Fav and NO and works on just HP% arts

And then she actually has a kit

[green dagger]

[hollow river]

& dio is entirely replaceable in cryo teams with a damage unit where u just run a hydro healer instead for better role consolidation

everything you said about dio just now is also true for kuki

[wooden sundial]

Sometimes you can do that, yes

It's not strictly a better option to do so

Mona/Diona Morgana isn't a worse Koko/cryo Morgana

They're actually pretty close

[hollow river]

you can run Mona Proto.Amber Morgana tho

which is better

[cold pumice]

If that cryo is shenhe koko is better

[wooden sundial]

Uh...

[wooden sundial]

You act as if Proto Amber doesn't come at an opportunity cost

[hollow river]

you lose ttds but youre damage boosting 2 units with omen which more than makes up for it

[wooden sundial]

There's also the loss of cryo particles and Fav

And less healing and shielding

[hollow river]

you have double cryo

they battery each other

theres no 2 cryo dps that need a battery when theyre together

they all gen crazy partis

its also freeze why do u need the shield to begin with

[cold pumice]

Mona cannot meet her requirements without prototype amber or Fav codex under standardisation

[simple cypress]

I wanna say this convo is getting further and further away from being relevant to kuki but.. what else is there to talk about kuki

[wooden sundial]

Well, until she actually has a meta comp, there's not much to say

[hollow river]

because all yall do is hate on kuki and mald whenever someone says something positive

[wooden sundial]

It's not hate

We don't hate Kuki

But cope isn't healthy

You need to look at this kit for what it is

[hollow river]

criticism is talking about her issues and hate is downplaying any area where she is good in

im not saying shes perfect

[wooden sundial]

She isn't good at anything

[hollow river]

youre literally proving my point

[wooden sundial]

But I'm not hating, I'm stating a fact

[hollow river]

i just named 3 things she can do and then u compared her to diona with the same 3 things

but somehow those are 3 good things on diona but useless on kuki

[wooden sundial]

By the standards of the game, she falls short

That's it

If they buff her, then yes, her use of ToM and Fav become things we get to talk about

[hollow river]

i dont disagree that she falls short in the grand scheme but she still has value and you just refuse to see any value in her cuz youre a doomposting andy

[wooden sundial]

It's not like they don't exist

They aren't enough alone

If they give her DEF% shred, or buff her MVs, or give her buffs

Something

She'll have comps

[hollow river]

her c0 is fine the issue is the cons tho

[wooden sundial]

I don't think you know what doomposting is

[hollow river]

her kit really doesnt have that many base issues for a 4*

[simple cypress]

Kuki will fit in any flex spot that can use a healer and/or electro app and/or ToM.. and she will do all those things adequately. On paper she isn't going to be replacing any characters already established in their teams as an upgrade... But once people get to play her maybe it'll change. Criticism about her kit is still valid though. I mean.. she does more damage to herself than to the enemy c':

[hollow river]

most new 4*s are dog at c0 she just doesnt get better with cons like others

[hollow river]

this is fair and p much what ive been saying completely agree

[wooden sundial]

But that's not a defense.

The critique of Sara/Gorou is that a big part of their kit is locked behind cons. This just means Kuki is half a kit.

You're saying the same thing as I am in different words.

[hollow river]

no not rly

[simple cypress]

I really hate that cons are required to solve problems that characters come with

[wooden sundial]

Yeah, not a fan of that trend

[hollow river]

im saying she still brings value and youre pretty much saying she does absolutely nothing

because anytime i say anything positive u say that its useless

when its not

[wooden sundial]

Okay, I define value as "I pull Kuki, I can now do something better than before"

Not that her kit literally does 0 damage and healing

Okay, she does something

C0 Barbara does something

[hollow river]

value can also be "I can do something easier than before"

Zhong Li isn't a strict upgrade to like almost any team hes used in

but his QoL is insane

im not saying kuki is at his level of QoL

[wooden sundial]

Zhong is a different discussion

The argument for Zhong is usually that sheets don't capture real life scenarios

For example, Yoimiya and shields

[hollow river]

but Kuki still brings a similar value of role consolidation and low investment for relatively good pay off

[wooden sundial]

And even still there are comps where Zhong is a competitive pick

Go look at the top Eula comps, Zhong makes a healthy appearance

Geo bros Hu Tao as well

[hollow river]

geo bros ht is a flex slot and not strictly better than other options

thats just cuz ht only needs xq

[wooden sundial]

Okay

But it's still there

[hollow river]

ok but thats my point ?

is that a character doesnt have to be the best option

to be good in that scenario

[wooden sundial]

Yes, but Kuki and Zhong are on completely different planes of power

On damage and on comfort

Like not even comparable

[cold pumice]

Also I really doubt kuki is even good in your scenario

[hollow river]

ye i dont disagree with that but im just saying youre using a metric that isnt fair to evaluate her on

[wooden sundial]

There's no metric where she looks good

[cold pumice]

scenarioI ddon't think fischl is replaceable

[hollow river]

she's worse than fischl but the team still works

[cold pumice]

You say sucrose acts as electro application, but remember, xl is going to clear all of it so theres nothing for sucrose to swirl

[hollow river]

ive tested the same team with yae instead of fischl and it was fine with ER issues

kuki helps to solve those tho

[wooden sundial]

Kuki's particle gen is pretty awful

I was hoping she'd be a battery

[hollow river]

she runs fav

[cold pumice]

So does Yae

[wooden sundial]

Okay, Fav only carries you so far

[hollow river]

you ult then ult swap into whatever unit u want to funnel

[wooden sundial]

When your particle gen is half of Fischl's

[hollow river]

or with high cr you e then ult swap

its funnelled tho so it brings her p close to fischl esp if you proc it multiple times at high refine

depending on the unit ig

fischl prob still better for any electro unit

[wooden sundial]

Right, but then your ToM Fischl gets to hold Alley Flash or Harp and still battery better

And do like 3-4x the damage

[hollow river]

ye but fischl doesnt heal

shes not better than fischl

but she offers a comfort alternative

[wooden sundial]

And you can swap out another slot for a healer with a lower opportunity cost and more healing

[stone jacinth]

Thing is, if you want heal in taser you don't run her

[wooden sundial]

And the comp does more damage and healing overall

[wooden sundial]

Yeah, Zhong/Koko/Qiqi Taser are all great options that exist

And provide massive comfort

[stone jacinth]

Heck even Barbara

With clam

[crimson umbra]

so to be considered good, aka irreplaceable in a meta comp, does she need to be better than kokomi to be considered good, because i do see a lot of discussion around taser and koko

[stone jacinth]

Not even Kokomi, clam Barbara can be the standard

[wooden sundial]

She just needs to be better than somebody in some comp that does competitive damage/comfort

[crimson umbra]

im mostly just going off this definition here yeah

[hollow river]

i mean shes better than clam barbara because barbara has to run on-field whereas Kuki enables sucrose to drive

the shred and reaction dmg from sucrose already makes her better than barbara if thats the standard

[stone jacinth]

You're replacing an electro damage dealer slot for that which needs calcs to prove whether it's better or not

[wooden sundial]

If I'm driving with Sucrose, I'm going Sucrose/XQ/Fischl/Beidou for multi-target or Sucrose/XQ/Fischl/Yelan for ST

[hollow river]

and youre replacing a hydro damage dealer (XQ/Yelan) with barbara

[wooden sundial]

And then leaning on the 80% DR and XQ healing

Or I run Sucrose National

[stone jacinth]

Have you tried clam Barbara

[hollow river]

ok this is the same argument against koko tho. you only use kuki/koko in scenarios where you cant run one of these units

[hollow river]

yeah and its def not as much dps as on-field sucrose adds

[wooden sundial]

Well, I run Sucrose in comps like that because healers have too high of an opportunity cost with her

[hollow river]

sucrose buffs the entire teams damage a considerable amount and also adds a lot of dps herself

[wooden sundial]

If you want comfort, you're actually better off swapping the driver

[stone jacinth]

It's Barbara Fischl Rosaria Beidou

[hollow river]

clam barbara is only clam dps + unbuffed off-field dps

[stone jacinth]

Again we need sheets to prove which one is better

[wooden sundial]

Driver comps mainly rely on maximizing off-field damage

Which is why it is most common to make the driver the comfort pick

[hollow river]

theres just no world where barbara ever beats sucrose as a driver tho lol

[stone jacinth]

We don't do feelscrafting here

[wooden sundial]

No, but Kuki in Sucrose driver is awful because Kuki isn't for driving

[hollow river]

you couldnt even sheet it youd have to run a sim

[wooden sundial]

You just basically ate up an entire off-field slot

[hollow river]

transfo reaction comps are inaccurate on sheets

theyve only been getting accurate results with the recent sims

[stone jacinth]

Someone made a rotation map for it already, but sheet's not done yet

[hollow river]

thats why electro reactions were undervalued for so long

[wooden sundial]

Like if you really wanted Kuki in a driving comp, you'd make Kuki the driver

[hollow river]

cuz the sheets were misleading

[stone jacinth]

Ye ec is pain to calc

[wooden sundial]

Problem being then is that Kuki driver is literally just worse Qiqi driver

[hollow river]

why would kuki ever be the driver

all of her value is off field

[wooden sundial]

I explained above

The opportunity cost is lowest to have her drive

Because her AAs are pretty good for driving IIRC

[stone jacinth]

Anyways, point is whether Sucrose/Kuki taser being better than Barbara taser is impossible to feelscraft

We'll just have to wait till Kuki comes out at least

[wooden sundial]

I can safely say Barb driver is pretty much worse Koko driver

[stone jacinth]

It is, but she's a 4 star so I'd say it's fair

[wooden sundial]

Just because Koko has better Ocean usage and MVs

[hollow river]

not rly even with kuki not on the team and just sucrose + 2 off-field units, I'm almost 100% certain that sucrose driver 3p would still beat 4p barbara driver

[stone jacinth]

Hopefully you're right, I want Kuki to mean something

[wooden sundial]

Barbara gets a whole Yelan or Beidou worth of extra damage

I don't think you appreciate just how much damage that is

You know, Beidou's literal 10000% MV burst

[hollow river]

sucrose gives all off-field units perma 40% ele shred and has like 1k EM VV boosted swirls every .2s

ok but if its a scenario where u need to run beidou then you also run her in the kuki team

and sucrose is adding 40% shred to that beidou

[wooden sundial]

Yes, the thing is you're still losing one of XQ/Yelan/Beidou/Fischl

All of them can drop 150-200k+ DPR pretty easy

[stone jacinth]

Can we please stop with the feelscrafting

[hollow river]

youre also losing one with barbara on top of losing sucrose's 40% shred buff

xq's damage is non negligible especially with 55% total shred with sucrose

[wooden sundial]

I'm basically taking your side here. I really am not seeing a strong argument for Kuki off-field in Taser because of blatant MV losses.

Although even if Kuki beat Barbara, that doesn't mean much

Since she really isn't the benchmark

[hollow river]

i agree on that point

because barb is almost definitely worse even if kuki wasnt on the team

barb driver def isnt the benchmark lol

[stone jacinth]

I mean at least we'll have a better comfy f2p taser

[wooden sundial]

You'd have to demonstrate Kuki in Taser, either off-field or on-field, beating out the current gold standard for comfy Taser

Which would be Qiqi/Zhong/Koko

Because Kuki isn't beating out Sucrose Taser DPS-wise

I mean, call it feelscrafting, but I'd call it a very safe bet

[stone jacinth]

I'm still waiting for vins' ohc Barbara comp to get sheeted

[wooden sundial]

He does N2C, right?

[hollow river]

yeah but Kuki enables some Sucrose tazer teams more easily like Koko does

[stone jacinth]

Yep

[crimson umbra]

thats also 3 5 star

[hollow river]

you cant really run QiQi or Zhong and also have sucrose driver

[crimson umbra]

i mean qiqi is qiqi but still

[wooden sundial]

Does Qiqi really count though?

[hollow river]

but you can run Kuki and have sucrose drive

[wooden sundial]

No, but they're better than Sucrose w/ healer

That's why they exist, actually

Sucrose opportunity cost for a healer is immense

Because no healer-driving support exists

As in a Yelan who can heal

Unless you count XQ, and only barely

[hollow river]

i mean u just hate any team that kuki could ever be used on so im done with this convo lol. she 99% isnt getting buffed at this point and im def rolling for her on release so ill test my team ideas then and well see

[wooden sundial]

I don't hate them

I just acknowledge what they are

I've been looking forward to an electro healer literally since launch

This isn't it

[crimson umbra]

wolff what changes would you prefer, more dmg on kuki?

[wooden sundial]

You could do a ton of things to fix her

DEF% shred on A4 would be the quickest way

20-25%

[hollow river]

also just good cons

[wooden sundial]

Or just make her E full party so she can use Ocean

[stone jacinth]

So to wrap this up, Kuki brings value in comfy f2p taser comp. But whether that's better than another comfy f2p taser comp (ohc barb) is unknown

[wooden sundial]

Or make her scale meaningfully with EM and embrace her as a transformative support

[hollow river]

i can agree that i wish she was better. I think Yae should've been the electro healer tbh. Her giving a heal or something on E cast based on her damage scaling would give meaning to her 10 year field time lol

[wooden sundial]

If Yae healed, she'd dominate comfy comps most likely

Her damage once cons start getting involved is pretty hilarious

[stone jacinth]

Use proto amber

[hollow river]

she has the longest burst cd in the game i think

so proto amber is specifically bad on her

[stone jacinth]

It's a meme on Yae

[wooden sundial]

The main issue with Kuki is she has like 40-50% of 3 good kits

[stone jacinth]

But it's atually good on Lisa

[wooden sundial]

Which just means it's a bad kit

[hollow river]

lisa also has a long cd but its good on lisa just because it synergizes with giving her her burst without needing to attack or use her pepeg ele skill with the added value of healing

[stone jacinth]

Lisa ult bot need more recognition

[hollow river]

also no one builds lisa for dmg so theres no loss to it like there can be with yae lol

agree

lisa is just better than sara before c6

the def shred and ttds add more damage to a team

[cold pumice]

or turn a4 from flat to bonus%

[hollow river]

with literally 0 stats needed

[wooden sundial]

That would help immensely

That would also be an extremely broken A4, lol

[cold pumice]

I'd argue it would be one of the ebst in the game in vacuum

[wooden sundial]

A4: "Kuki exists now"

[hollow river]

well it depends on the ratio

it could be incredibly mediocre too

[cold pumice]

at current ratios

[wooden sundial]

I think they mean the same values but %

[hollow river]

i mean 25dmg% from EM is just ridiculous

[cold pumice]

EM main stat -> 140% HB and 47.5% Damage bonus

[wooden sundial]

Have you seen her base MVs

It'd make her kit gimmicky but functional

[hollow river]

yeah but youre literally getting more dmg% from an EM Gob than Ele Dmg gob with that ratio

[wooden sundial]

Get enough ATK and EM and Ocean would work

[wooden sundial]

Yes, and?

[cold pumice]

Yes

[hollow river]

well with rounding it might be exactly the same

[cold pumice]

[stone jacinth]

Just give her good energy gen

[hollow river]

because it's a .025//2.5% upgrade lol

[cold pumice]

2.5%

[wooden sundial]

Kuki, stack EM/ATK and then go Ocean

[stone jacinth]

So we can have someone to pair beidou that's not named fischl

[wooden sundial]

Boom, she works

You could probably hit 600+ EM with good ATK

And it'd solve the issue of amping damage without relying on crit, and then worrying that heals don't crit

Since EM is your CV god now

And then reaction damage improves

[stone jacinth]

And possible dendro synergy

[cold pumice]

If its bonus instead of flat, like 80% of her issues are gone

[wooden sundial]

Basically all of them are gone, lol

Her whole kit just works

[cold pumice]

In Spanish it says bonus but in Chinese and English its Flat

[wooden sundial]

A4 being a % essentially makes EM a crit stat for both damage and healing

It's a way to do crit healing without the variance

Ugh, I'm depressing myself thinking about this

[cold pumice]

This is how I first interpretted a4 when I saw it

[stone jacinth]

I believe in last minute buff

[wooden sundial]

Imagine this was all because of a small error and A4 was supposed to be % this whole time

[tough trout]

^^^^

i will stay coping

[crimson umbra]

do we know for sure it's flat?

[wooden sundial]

I guess we're technically only almost certain it is

We've seen test plays of her, but I don't think they stacked EM

Let me check

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/tw9ved/kuki_shinobu_mitachurl_fight/

This has 145 EM

[cold pumice]

430 non crit damage

2276 attack

damage is wrong, you can't hit that low dmaage with those stats

[wooden sundial]

Yeah, even talent level 1 is 900 damage pre-defense (or electro cup) with 25k health

Which won't get you 430

So this isn't usable

[cold pumice]

Could ping Uba I guess

[wooden sundial]

Wait, 1 second, looking at the MV for Q tick by accident
After re-calcing, looks consistent with lower level talent, probably

[knotty crag]

Both Healing and Damage Bonuses are flat bonuses (Damage added like yun jin/shenhe and healing added to the number in the talent details)
the flat healing is affected by the Healing Bonus stat

According to a beta tester

however this was on the 2nd Apr

It shouldn't have changed tho idk

[wooden sundial]

That's what I assumed, shame that it's probably still true then

So the text is consistent

[cold pumice]

Okay back to despair

[wooden sundial]

Yeah, the numbers definitely correspond to what Ubatcha is saying

You'd notice the jump even at 145 EM if it was the cope way, lol

[small turtle]

figures this would be what her A4 is

thats why it needed to be rework into a new one

[fast rapids]

if it really is like that

it's kinda low

[median sapphire]

Make it so EM provides a flat bonus but HB provides % bonus

Gives an incentive to use maidens/clam and HB hat

Like say if you have 50% HB, you get a percentage of that to buff ur e (and/or q) dmg by %

[chilly slate]

kuki mastersheet doko

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931215151036764192/961631996612861992/LumiTumble.gif

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[frosty glen]

Chat is dead

And I'm not surprised

There's nothing to tc

Kuki is kil

There are no buffs

My copium supplies have run dry

[unique sphinx]

Pretty sure this happened to most people a long time ago

[wooden sundial]

Still astonished by this

They literally have not even looked at Kuki

Which makes me sus she's coming in 2.7

I've never seen a unit get so few changes in beta

[unique sphinx]

Ya cuz Yelan being a second Xingqiu is drawing all the attention

[wooden sundial]

Even Koko got more changes than this, and that was Raiden

[unique sphinx]

You mean no changes right?

[wooden sundial]

Technically they changed the MV% display on her Q

But otherwise nothing

[noble elbow]

they buffed her icons and descriptions and that was it 💀

[wooden sundial]

Like the outrage when she hits if she goes live like this will be intense

[unique sphinx]

The changed some text and a few icons and some little touches to the gatcha art that's all she got

[wooden sundial]

Massive amounts of anger and cope

[unique sphinx]

Her kit was untouched

[noble elbow]

can the cn playerbase just pull a zhongli and get her fixed

[rose tiger]

she’d probably start ‘electro bad’ discourse again

[unique sphinx]

I hope it happens since that kinda shows how pointless beta can be if the character's kit recieves no changes

[wooden sundial]

I mean, only time that's ever worked is Zhong and you can argue Yae totems

[noble elbow]

manifesting they go off upon her release

[wooden sundial]

Kuki's kit is so bad I don't think people will be able to deny it

[unique sphinx]

Nah... They couldn't get Yae fixed so I doubt anything will be done for kuki

[noble elbow]

they reverted her totems
that's
something

[noble elbow]

unfortunately true
nothing justifies her existence in a team other than "i just think she's neat!"

[unique sphinx]

Ya 0 change at the end then

[wooden sundial]

Dude, you're going to get so much "but she's a healer, they're supposed to suck"

Despite having a roster of healers that are extremely good

[noble elbow]

after they did get changed due to complaints
and then reverse complaints

[unique sphinx]

Mihoyo is trying to fix their auto-targeting rather than Yae herself

[noble elbow]

kokomi, arguably qiqi considering clam domain coming out

[noble elbow]

true

her passives are honestly nothing talents because nothing really incentivizes her use

em passives on an electro char are a joke

wait did my message get automodded or something

sioly

silly

[wooden sundial]

You could make EM on electro work

By functionally making it replace crit

[noble elbow]

elaborate

[wooden sundial]

That would require reworking A4 to actually scale well

Like x% dmg and y% healing per EM

Instead of x% of EM

[noble elbow]

ohhh i understand

yae's a4 but actually applied well

[wooden sundial]

And EM "crit" allows heals to scale with "crit"

[noble elbow]

i like that idea

[wooden sundial]

You'd essentially build like an ADC, but subbing CV arts for EM ones

ATK/EM

And then her low electro app would have strong overload/EC/etc

Because EM

So low MVs but sky-high dmg%/healing% multipliers

It would at least be unique and probably functional

[noble elbow]

that makes sense yeah
society if that was her passive: 🏙️

[unique sphinx]

But I doubt they will make a 4 star this good

[inland ridge]

EM passives are basically just so EM rolls on your artifacts aren't completely dead rolls

Still not as good as atk% or crit but now it's not completely dead

[wooden sundial]

They don't have to be just that

That's all a function of tuning

[unique sphinx]

This needs to change tho...

[bronze trail]

dendro

[inland ridge]

You'd rather EM be better than crit and we build EM Sands Yae and Kuki

[bronze trail]

there’s gotta be a reason

and we don’t know it

[wooden sundial]

I mean, EM could be better for Kuki

By design

[inland ridge]

I already told you the reason it's because artifacts are rng and mhy didn't want EM to be a completely wasted roll

You can not like it, but that's why they have EM passive

[wooden sundial]

Dude, 5 damage from an EM roll

FIVE

[inland ridge]

I didn't say it was good

I just said that's their reasoning for it

[bronze trail]

Do we know that?

[unique sphinx]

Imagine if Electro+Dendro is like an omen debuff that scales on EM

[wooden sundial]

Even still, not like there's a lack of people with electro app

And even then, use Yae

[unique sphinx]

Not everyone has Yae

4 stars are usually more accessible

[inland ridge]

Skill issue

[wooden sundial]

C6 4* are generally competitive with C0-C1 5* or they bring unique utility to complement 5*

That appears to be the intent design-wise

[unique sphinx]

C6 4 stars are harder to ge imo

[wooden sundial]

Probably, that doesn't change how they tune them

[unique sphinx]

Kuki at C6 still sucks ngl

[crimson umbra]

people are never gonna be mad about a 4 star, especially one that they feel they can be happy to skip when she's not on yelan banner tbh

[wooden sundial]

I see a lot of pissed people in the leaks subreddit already

She's the first electro healer since launch, 4* or not

[stone jacinth]

She'll become a good meme at least

I still think they'll buff her before going live

[crimson umbra]

well yeah there are ppl in leaks sub pissed about everything, still if she's good then ppl will feel miffed that they have to split their primos again right before dendro. i do think most players will be silently happy they don't feel the need to pull tbh so there wont be any widespread discontent

[unique sphinx]

Hoyo needs to get more backlash for stuff like this ngl

[wooden sundial]

The stuff happening in CN will make that not happen

They should just delay her release

Instead of releasing her scuffed

If they end up extending 2.6, it's a perfect excuse not to release her in 2.7

[stone jacinth]

That would be ideal

They can slap 4* to any banner

[unique sphinx]

They should delay her release to the next patch I am sure most people would be fine with it rather an releasing her the way she is now

[woven locust]

em on electro is sht

if you wanna see 20k overload or 10k ec tick, u would see it on an anemo

but anyways, they can just release bunch of new characters that require yae to fill rotation marketing strategy

[simple cypress]

I really don't understand it. Is there anyone else with such a useless c6?

[cold pumice]

Albedos is pretty bad but not this bad

[wooden sundial]

At least Albedo's works for the whole team when they're on-field

It's only lackluster by C6 5* standards

Her C6 being...oh hey, 40 more damage on E ticks on a low uptime buff is a whole new plane of bad

[woven locust]

her c6 should buff em on whole team

[glossy reef]

I hope if she releases like this, people will complain enough that they buff her

Worked for Zhongli

[uncut ravine]

Are you forgetting Thoma release?

[dry warren]

it only worked once, that's it

[glossy reef]

Look at least Thoma can give you a shield and Pyro resonance

[uncut ravine]

Yeah and people will say at least she heals.

[dry warren]

which isnt even a lot

[elder hamlet]

If you have yae, just slap her with proto amber and you have electro healer

[uncut ravine]

Prototype Lisa has more utility as well

[elder hamlet]

[dry warren]

ngl, Lisa feels better than Yae

-15% DEF for 10s without cons
vs.
-60% DEF for only the turret attacks at c6

[hollow river]

I don't think DEF shred works the same as DEF ignore

but it might

[meager valve]

technically it worked with yae, but that was a reaction to an unwarranted change they initiated

its much harder to convince mihoyo to buff a released character, let alone it being a 4 star, which is not as profitable as a 5 star

[dry warren]

not to mention even during beta

people are more focus on 5-star and not giving any shit to 4-stars

[mental topaz]

Kuki talent priority is skill > burst?

[mental stag]

More like just skill

Cuz q's dmg too poopy u dont really care about it

Well jokes nd copes aside

Its skill>burst indeed

[cold pumice]

NA>skill cos that's the only reason to use her

[tiny sedge]

There is really no buff for Kuki in beta at all?

Is it still more beta or I thought this is last week

I hope for buff next Monday but it is so sad

[mental stag]

But doesnt beta ends this week as usual? If so then we wont really see any changes till pre upload

Also in preuploas :
"Additional text to her skill description"

[tiny sedge]

There was no change at all during beta for her right ?

I have pre farm the artifacts for her as HP/Electro/Crit but think maybe it is not needed anymore and should just have more hp and healing instead
Thought she was definitely to get damage increase but she did not

[mental stag]

Additional texts are all she needs .. she is way too broken already .. even these additional texts makes her powercreep even more .. forget about past charas .. even future ones stands no chance againts this kind of powercreep .. before ppl would say "is x chara better then ganyu" now they will do the same for kuki

Damn lunatics in hyv hq created a true monster we have ever seen

[mental stag]

Totm set with Hp hp hb main stats is the best way .. her dmg is not somewhere to care about anyways so just exploit her healing

[tiny sedge]

It does not seem right when there is so much focus to her damage from passive and constellation

But it so bad

She is not need much ER at all, so only just need good main stats and set bonus and she is done with build 🙃 easy to do

[mental stag]

If u want dmg .. u can always build def-electro-crit nd slap her cinnabar .. thats better on her then hp build sadly .. but then her healing becomes way too poopy

[mental stag]

Indeed

[tiny sedge]

Yes it need some heal to be okay I think

Even if it is defense cinnabar build, burst is still worse and I think E damage is not compared to Fischl at all

[mental stag]

Ye

[small turtle]

@tawdry bone is there a sheet included on the overload one? i cant seem to access it

[mental stag]

ohh .. so faq is made

[small turtle]

its from the kuki mains

do they have a mastersheet as well puffy?

[mental stag]

ohh okay

[small turtle]

i also need to update my healing mastersheet

[simple cypress]

The creator of that calculator didn't really finish it and kind of disappeared

[small turtle]

i cant understand anything on the overload tabs for each character

who is there lead?

[simple cypress]

Ya..apparently it was a Yae calculator turned into an Ayato calculator turned into a Kuki calculator. But jd seems to be busy nowadays. I made a copy of it and modified to it to include clam and pale flame at someone's request.. I think my mods are right but I didn't bother to check if the calculator itself as a whole is accurate

So in short.. idk if anyone should use that calculator seriously right now

[small turtle]

do they have the info on who it is who send the overload one?

i c. Ill contact them later if i have time

nope

[brazen snow]

I'll eat my shoe if Kuki beats Barbara Taser.

[frosty glen]

📸

[small turtle]

whats the dps on barbara taser?

[cold pumice]

Anyone got a rotation for ti first

I doubt anyone actually wants to sheet it so shoving it in GCsim is proabbyl easier

[small turtle]

since we are using a ohc kuki and taser, we also need superconduct to be able to outdmg barbara

probably rosaria xq and fischl

since we using kuki as a driver here probably, try dark iron sword first

[cold pumice]

TTDS on Barabra probs

but who would you transfer it to

[small turtle]

oh no barbara on the team comp, since vin betted to eat a shoe if we outdmg barbara taser with kuki taser i think

rosaria, xq, fischl might be the comp with kuki driver on dark iron sword first

r1

[cold pumice]

What rotation though, for kuki

[stone jacinth]

The comparison was on Sucrose taser with Kuki vs Barbara taser I think

Competing for the better comfy f2p taser

[small turtle]

Rosaria EQ > Kuki E > XQ Q N1 EE > Fischl Q > Kuki 4N2C > Rosaria E > Kuki Q 2N2C

how is this with this ER

ohc kuki
noblesse rosa
xq eosf
totm fischl

[lament cargo]

Phys kuki ?

[small turtle]

#958686317158469653 message

[lament cargo]

Vins eating a shoe would be funny

[small turtle]

true

[cold pumice]

Aight thanks will save roat for later

[small turtle]

sac on xq
kuki on dark iron sword
rosaria on the catch
fischl on alley hunter

[shrewd crescent]

[frosty jewel]

omg dark iron sword

[small turtle]

going to be control for now

[shrewd crescent]

I'm just slapping Lion on Kuki and calling it a day

[small turtle]

cool steel time?

[shrewd crescent]

As long as its drippy

[modern ice]

Is kuki viable in any "meta" team?

[tawdry bone]

Did you just write kuki and
meta
in the same sentence?

[modern ice]

I barely understood her kit
What is she supposed to be ?

4pc clam dps??

[lament cargo]

teapot decoration /j

[tawdry bone]

She can heal a decent amount from off-field

[lament cargo]

[tawdry bone]

anda tiny bit of electro application

[lament cargo]

it's 1U right ?

[tawdry bone]

and generate a bit of energy

[modern ice]

Does she do more damage than Raiden's E?

[tawdry bone]

But otherwise she has no interesting mechanics, it doesn't seem like she can enable anything interesting

She does no damage

[modern ice]

Guys, believe me, kuki will be meta with kusanali

[tawdry bone]

bemwta indeed

[modern ice]

[shrewd crescent]

At that point just replace kuki with collei

[modern ice]

Since she can somewhat heal, can she be good with hu tao? Overvape hu tao

[haughty dew]

Very copium idea, Sucrose Kuki EM Xinyan Xingqiu

This is the message that gets me to prankster 2, how fitting for me to cope

[modern ice]

Thanks

[modern ice]

Sigh

[tawdry bone]

works for me

[fast rapids]

works for me too

must be internet connection issue

[torpid oak]

*/srs

[tiny sedge]

This maybe is not good rotation I think if it is OHC on Kuki? Because if Kuki is active as driver then it is going to heal herself, which make the heals weak, and then the bubble damage is lower? Maybe Fischl it is better as the driver doing normal attack

Sad though because I want to have kuki normal attacks for good animation

[simple cypress]

Can the kuki buff just be a removal of part of her kit? Getting rid of the half health condition would already be a big upgrade

[tiny sedge]

She hurt herself for such small reward 🙃 or make it better reward like team heal if she is lower of 50% hp

[unkempt ginkgo]

then Kuki heal herself and lose the buff

lmao

[tiny sedge]

Oh

Kuki need help

The FAQ it is so small its sad

[median sapphire]

Make it so when under 50% hp she gets buffs

Make it her a4 or smth

[rare abyss]

I'll always say it, make her c4 her A4 with 0.5 second cooldown and she's great

[torpid oak]

That’s already her A2, but it’s only 15% Healing Bonus

[median sapphire]

just buff that

So she also gets more max hp and dmg

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-gone-crazy-insane-letter-l-gif-17135412

[small turtle]

rosa driver?

[tiny sedge]

Maybe Rosaria is best driver yes to be consistent on superconduct ? Also if it is C1 on Rosaria she will have more attack speed then other characters to drive Fischl better

Also I think ER seem to be high for Fischl ? Maybe if Kuki, Xingqiu, and Rosaria is on favonius it can be less high ?

[small turtle]

then at that case, dark iron sword might not be way for kuki

xq already in sac

idk what to put for rosaria if we going to drive her

[tiny sedge]

If it is superconducted then it is maybe okay build as physical damage crescent pike but it is weird team

Feel less like taser more as physical dps

She has decent high ER requirement, maybe Favonius or Catch is best

[small turtle]

the goal that i was trying to perceive to make vins eat a shoe

i still need to try something out

[subtle finch]

Hi is this the koping krab? No this is Kuki

Joke any new ideas ?

[small turtle]

we got some driver comp ideas

[marble zephyr]

Kuqi? Kuki qiqi

[glad harness]

Phys kuki and put rosa on cryo build ^^

[mental topaz]

Pyro Kuki all the way

Phys boring

[small turtle]

Ill do it

I just need to get back home soon

[mint flower]

is kuki capable of batterying beidou?

[cold pumice]

Probably not reliably

[subtle finch]

phys kuki team idea: kuki beidou bennet rosaria

[hollow river]

With fav funnel and decent er on beidou shes good enough

Double electro also gives some extra partis to beidou passively

[neon moat]

hello! may i ask what is the best artifact and weapon for healer and maybe subdps kuki

[mental stag]

if u want healer + a bit dmg clam set with hp-hp-hb i believe is best

but if u dont care about her personal dmg but instead use her for pure healer with some supporting

4pc TotM with hp-hp-hb

this is more optimal option i believe

[hollow river]

Id give up on subdps but if you really want her to be then youll get the most subdps value by building her just full EM build otherwise you can also build her HP% with CritHat and cv for good heals and subpar burstdps ult

EM build actually has OK potential damage but awful healing scaling

*with reactions which aren’t super likely

[bitter wadi]

Any good f2p or 4-star weapons for Kuki?? (No, I don't have Festering Desire.)

[small turtle]

fav sword, iron sting, sac sword

contemplating on dark iron sword

[fast rapids]

sac sword is nice for low hp

Insta low hp*

[bitter wadi]

Iron sting seems good :D

[fast rapids]

yeah

em + atk + dmg bonus

[bitter wadi]

I only have 1 copy of Sac and it's on Xingqiu...

[bitter wadi]

Noice

[spiral cairn]

Can Kuki be viable with Yaeden team?

[small turtle]

Yes

Replace sara with kuki, replace jean with kazuha

[shrewd crescent]

That sounds so painful

But I hate Sara so worth ir

[tawdry bone]

damn tc is pretty dead she really is thoma v2

what teams is she even good on

eula to replace fischl so rosaria can replace diona and thats it?

and ec/mono electro as a healer

[hollow cairn]

kuki+qiqi+barb

Have all their skills up at the same time

[elder hamlet]

Trash team : Thoma, Qiqi, Barbara and kuki

[alpine dock]

Kuki is the only electro healer so she'll be used just to consolidate at the very least

[pure jolt]

Eula, Kuki, Rosaria, (Albedo, Zhongli)
What do you think of Kuki replacing fischl in Eula's team?

She applies electro, albeit slow, but fast application isn't needed since Eula only needs to proc superconduct
Also she heals

[plush mirage]

To compensate for the damage loss from fischl -> kuki you might consider running raiden in the last slot

[ivory shoal]

What about aloy? Or does she actually do damage

[mint flower]

is iron sting good for kuki?

thanks

[daring owl]

her damage isnt impressive but its decent enough

[ivory shoal]

So it's better than those 4

okay

[daring owl]

clam qiqi might be better idk

[tired berry]

I know Qiqi is a meme but I never knew why she was so frowned upon, isn’t she a good healer? Genuine question btw

[ivory shoal]

she doesn't do much besides heal

diona has a shield, stamina reduction and +10% movement speed

alongside + 200-300EM

[tawdry bone]

qiqi isnt exactly bad especially after OHC as a driver

just not a good anything else

[ivory shoal]

People prefer diona for this reason

[tired berry]

Ah I see, basically one role and no other utility

[tawdry bone]

but as a driver to some teams she's alright

[ivory shoal]

Essentially yeah

[tawdry bone]

pretty sure she's a decent taser 4th pick

[ivory shoal]

she is

she's a fast attacker

so beidou procs more

[daring owl]

ye and she can easily cap clam

[tawdry bone]

yay

0 kuki changes

how unexpected

[mental stag]

no more text buffs?

[noble elbow]

we are all surprised!

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-tongue-out-bleh-teasing-gif-16021559

Another teapot only character

POG

[quiet onyx]

I've seen the team Eula+Kuki+Rosaria+Zhongli being named here and in reddit. Is this team recommended? Since Kuki is already a healer, isn't it better to replace Zhongli with someone like Shenhe for damage, buffs and energy?

[tawdry bone]

Sure, Kaeya would be a good option too

[small turtle]

Chat remind me tomorrow to change the superconduct kuki eula team to a better rot, better supports for eula

[fossil forum]

Is Kuki DOA

[cold pumice]

She could still get changed in preload

[keen sinew]

shhh just let her rest, we know they wont buff her

[torpid oak]

Her current kit is an elaborate April Fool’s joke on leakers, her real kit will be revealed during preload trust

[frosty jewel]

Y'all better get on the dendro cope train

[umbral sun]

I've been hoping for something to make yae A4 better. I've been smoking that copium since forever

[tawdry bone]

when's the beta ending

[grand willow]

qiqi Q is actually pretty good for OHC but it being a per-mob debuff and 80 energy cost on a char with no energy gen of her own kinda kill sit

at least kuki shinobu is 15/18 uptime on E and gens energy by default

if qiqi was 15/18 on E and genned energy she'd be 9.5 at least i think

[north sable]

still doesnt change anything right?

only for coop?

[lament cargo]

Not really

[north sable]

will it heal party members in solo

should be no

[lament cargo]

No only the active character

[pallid iris]

that sucks

why doesn't she at least

heal everyone

[small turtle]

more name changes

poggers

[lament cargo]

how is your mastersheet coming along akane

[grizzled sparrow]

but if it’s characters within the aoe, wouldn’t that include nearby characters in co-op? that’s what the wording seems to imply?

[soft isle]

Can kuki be an electro battery?

[grizzled sparrow]

otherwise why make that description change?

[soft isle]

spesifically for beidou

[lament cargo]

Yeah that's what the wording implies

[pallid iris]

that aoe sounds pathetic

[pallid iris]

maybe but fischl would still be much better

[lament cargo]

for beidou you're better off using fischl if possible. But kuki + r5 fav might be able to

[soft isle]

im wondering since most taser teams dont have healers

sorry i accidentaly said electro instead of taser

[pallid iris]

i was thinking if she might replace fischl in sucrose 4 star taser

because xingqiu's micro healing and beidou's shield aren't really good

[soft isle]

thats what i mean

im scared of running fisch beidou xq and kazuha

[lament cargo]

in taser not necessarily

[soft isle]

Since the healing is bad

[grizzled sparrow]

weird that she has to be close to people to heal them but better than zero co-op capabilities i guess?

[lament cargo]

cuz xq and beidou give dmg reduction

so xq's micro heals are usually enough

[small turtle]

I havent seen it. Probably will recheck it when emi finishes it

[ashen yacht]

Why her e dmg doesnt based on hp?

[grand willow]

imagine if a 4* character healed the entire party 3k every 1.5s with 100% uptime on an E skill

thats an easy 24k bubble guaranteed

[bronze trail]

Another wording change

[hollow cairn]

Kuki wording buffs 😔

[shrewd crescent]

Whatever scam you're selling I'm not buying

[mental stag]

Shinobu getting more text buffs?

[bronze trail]

Shinobu’ s kit should get an entire text buff /hj

[mellow bobcat]

So her ring is an aoe heal now if people are close to it? Or did I read it wrong

[real yoke]

i have the same question

[real yoke]

i think it is since it mentions AOE

[grand willow]

sounds like aoe heal in coop because people were whining that she cant heal others in coop

the ring is pretty big too from what i recall from footage

[glossy reef]

I'M HERE

CO-OP HEAL?

[hexed hearth]

Is there any weapon that could increase kuki's healing or her supporting abilities (like ToM set)?

[real yoke]

check pins there’s some recommendations

in that master sheet

[mellow bobcat]

Well I wouldn't say whine since all healers can heal others lol

[lament cargo]

you could run fav to improve her batterying

or is you're lucky enough FS might be a good weapon

[hexed hearth]

i have FS but I'm also a lucky owner of Kazuha

[lament cargo]

fav on kuki then

[hexed hearth]

Is festering a lot worse than fav? I plan to use Kuki with Eula, Rosaria and Fischl/Beidou

[lament cargo]

well kuki's ult hits a lot of times so you're more likely to proc favonius

festering doesn't improve her batterying

[mental topaz]

Kukopium

[hexed hearth]

Well... my ToM is not high with crit rate

most of my rolls are into HP, HP% or ER

[lament cargo]

😔

[hexed hearth]

does iron sting buff other chara or only holders?

[lament cargo]

only the holder

[hexed hearth]

oh, okay

[grand willow]

she probs wants iron sting since it boosts both her EC ticks and her healing

unless you're only concerned about battery

[elfin ocean]

I wanna try cinnabar spindle+ defense build

[grand willow]

her base def is actually not bad if you wanted to try that particular memebuild

[elfin ocean]

What was her ascension again

[little heath]

congrats on shinobu wording buff you guys

[grand willow]

hp i think

nothing super relevant

[tawdry bone]

clam co-op meta

[unkempt ginkgo]

Kuki gonna be like, "Huddle up! gotta slap 'em with that max clam bubble"

** clam slap noise * *

[subtle finch]

[mental stag]

Only to be laughed at by 2 mil hp bosses

[grand willow]

im actually not sure if kuki would miss a tick on clam

since the tick and pop at 3s would happen at the same time then there's a .5s icd for whatever reason

so if pop happens before tick due to hitstop or whatever then the tick would fall inside the icd

[waxen grail]

Is shinobu kind of looking like thoma/yunjin/gorou?? Like a good support, but on theirself cannot do a lot of dmg? Or does she scale for damage okay

[rain rock]

Would raiden yae shinobu kazu work, in place of my xq? Hoping she could help my hp probs in abyss w/o sacrificing much dps

[small turtle]

yeah

[north sable]

yunjin and gorou do lot of dmg. in term of buffing. thoma and kuki is ...

[grand willow]

the reason taser comps work is because of dubs swirl

mono electro is a significant hit to swirl damage

either kuki replaces an electro or you use sangonomiya as healer

[orchid folio]

So

Kuki changes... aren't coming

[unique sphinx]

Sup kuki kopers how has the copium been nowadays

[cold pumice]

I ran dry ages ago

[cold pumice]

[fossil forum]

So she's DOA. Got it :troll:

[rugged pawn]

to me shes more of a c4 gorou

but electro

nvm she don’t buff the way gorou does

[unkempt ginkgo]

she'll still heal a lot more than Gorou can, lmao

[grand willow]

Kuki actually has way higher base def than gorou lol

Gorou's base def is actually super bad for whatever reason

[keen sinew]

its because they don't really care about most four stars so they will slap on random stats and will only change them when we complain and make a big deal about it

[grand willow]

Noelle has high base def