kuki-theorycrafting

[tawdry bone]

why not both?

It's basically very consistent Diona-level healing + ToTM at the cost of stagger resistance due to no shield, poor energy efficiency as you can't funnel it, no EM buff, no multihits for easy fav procs (except for burst, but should not be using it in the first place) and no other utility of any kind.

[tired berry]

For Kuki healer build should I use HP circlet or Healing circlet?

[tawdry bone]

also her E gives you zero flexibility in terms of uptime because it lasts exactly as long as the cooldown

So she wants a refined sac for flexibility, but that's pretty contested weapon

healing circlet

There's a pinned sheet with numbers if you want more details

[tired berry]

Ah just saw it, thanks!

[hollow river]

if someone hasnt coined it already im calling the sucrose driver with kuki instead of fischl Sukukimon

[hollow river]

why would u want refined sac? 3s of downtime doesnt seem like a big enough deal to where youd want to recast it with sac lol

[grand willow]

so you can renew it early mid-rotation i assume

[meager valve]

or not bother and just not have it 100% uptime

[plush mirage]

it also matters less if you play quickswap teams like tazer and can just refresh the e whenever you want

[candid wyvern]

So does Clam or Totm better on her?

[hollow river]

ToTM by far but Clam will yield higher personal damage ig

[ashen yacht]

You can check it by yourself on pinned sheet depends on what you need

[hollow river]

From calc's I just did with her at super high-end healer build with L13 talents she wont be able to hit clam cap

so clam isnt worth imo

[candid wyvern]

I did. I didn't understand + I'm on mobile so I want a more direct answer

[candid wyvern]

Ok

[hollow river]

I think she'll be a really good fischl replacement with healing + ToTM replacement + fav user in sucrose driver kind of like how Kokomi subs XQ which is actually really nice since Yelan makes it so u can have an xq on both teams

her healing is also really good for off-field. Her ratios are about = to Barb & Koko E's but ticks twice as fast as Koko's

her ult seems kinda pointless outside of being a really good fav proc

but tbh she seems actually really balanced imo. will prob be undervalued on launch like Koko but she opens up a lot of consolidation utility

[daring owl]

first person i've seen in here that is actually positive about kuki

[hollow river]

a rarity for me too im typically a hateskipper but shes a 4* and also pretty unique as the first electro healer + cool ass animations + ratio

i do hope her cons get buffed but thats abt my only complaint

since all of them besides c2/c3 seem completely pointless

[candid wyvern]

Artifact stats?

[hollow river]

Crit/HP/HP with Fav lol

without fav just Healing/HP/HP or triple HP

her damage scaling seems way too abysmal to be worth investing

[candid wyvern]

I don't have fav

Sac sword as replacement?

[hollow river]

even with crazy investment her personal dps is inconsequential to a team so just building healer is better

[small turtle]

i think having crit on subs would be better than main stat crit

[hollow river]

imo no idrk why sac is even a consideration

[small turtle]

since you are just aiming for crits anyway

[hollow river]

ideally if u have more investment i can agree somewhat

[candid wyvern]

Ok

[hollow river]

but i dont think high investment is too much of a value leap of her to be worth it

also crit subs + crit mainstat still seems valuable until u reach 100 crit or enough ER to get her burst on rotation ig

[small turtle]

why 100% crit?

[hollow river]

if her burst comes every rotation then its fine as a fav proc even with low crit

[small turtle]

i think 50% is fine

[hollow river]

well im not saying aim for 100

im just saying crit doesnt fall off until 100

cuz it just increases fav value the more u have

[daring owl]

50 should already be enough to proc it reliably so would rather have other stats

[small turtle]

but its easier to focus on all hp or hp/hp/hb on her main stats and get cr on subs cause fav already gives 60 ER on secondary stat

[candid wyvern]

Welp I have no other ER sword so....

[hollow river]

crit is only 1/4 of the subs so u can have other

& its easier to shoot for a crit mainstat then cracked crit subs imo

[candid wyvern]

Does an EM sword work in case I don't have Fav

[hollow river]

up to u tho her arti stats really arent a big deal imo

[small turtle]

but you dont need cracked crit subs

[hollow river]

em doesnt scale that well but its fine if u only plan to have her at 60+

its around similar value to her hp investment at 60+

[patent timber]

will skyrider sword be good if you don't have fav

[hollow river]

but falls off the more u get above 60

[small turtle]

2-3 rolls to crit is already enough to proc fav with Q

[patent timber]

it gives 51% er

and since kuki doesn't care bout atk

[small turtle]

if going by all artifacts has 2-3 crit rolls, min or max rolls

[hollow river]

you dont always want to be proc'ing with q imo tho

[small turtle]

its enough to proc fav as her Q has 7 hits >50% and 12 hits on <50%

[hollow river]

if possible id want to proc with initial E cast and switch out

Q just seems like a guarantee failsafe imo

at least how i plan to use it

[small turtle]

thats fair

you could always try and add a AA on before E, falls to the frames possibly

[hollow river]

true

i agree u dont need more than 50 crit but i just dont think its a bad thing is all

all u gain from another mainstat is more healing through hbonus or hp

so its up to what u value more

[small turtle]

its not really, its just undervaluing the subs for it if going just for a pure healer build

r5 fav can just go from 35-40% cr since its 100%

im still suprised people still dont have fav

when some of the good banners have it

[hollow river]

well weapons are rng

i have r9 fav sword and r1 fav lance

ive only pulled a lot on 1 weapon banner and that was kagura & i think most other peoples weaps are from event banners

[small turtle]

did you get any from standars?

my luck on standard has been pretty much weapons

[hollow river]

probably

but the majority of my pulls arent on standard

[hollow river]

is there actually any value to a not pure healer build tho?

[small turtle]

i found one and that is in the form of mono electro

replacing sara jean with kuki kazuha

superconduct eula was a disaster to sheet

i havent touched overload yet

[hollow river]

from brief calc's ive done it seems like her C4 proc can spike @ like 10k per 5s and maybe hit like 100k off her ult every 15s with crit variance and assuming the enemy takes every hit

ig i havent really looked into the EM damage scaling though

[small turtle]

c4 is probably her stop cons since it adds dmg to her kit via her hp

i havent calced c4 to be in some sheets

[hollow river]

id say c3 is her stop

[small turtle]

since of course she is a new character and people would just go c0

[hollow river]

it seems like such an insignificant amount of dmg every 5s

like the 10k calc I have is from a crit at l90 i did + rounded up

with 40k hp

its more reasonable that her c4 would hit 3-6k every 5s

which is like 1 rainsword from low investment xq lol

[small turtle]

i think its more like fischl a4 but has a longer cd

• the way to proc it seems sus

probably eula can use it

[hollow river]

ye i think it gives value if it has a different icd ig

[small turtle]

her c6 and a4 needs a rework

[hollow river]

but even there an extra reaction every 5s seems inconsequential

i just dont see the value in c4 as it is rn

if it was buffed to like 2-3s maybe

or the hp scaling of it ig

[small turtle]

still wondering if raiden can proc it

[hollow river]

like if it was 20% hp it would actually make her a decent subdps at high investment with c4

20%hp would be like half of an albedo E lol

but still usable at least

[small turtle]

they need to up it more

[hollow river]

definitely

i think her c0 is actually a fairly balanced unit

but her cons all seem eh besides c2

c2 is p big for the 100% uptime

[small turtle]

her c0 is okay, as a healer of course

[hollow river]

well i said it earlier but i think shell just be a comfort replacement to fischl in sucrose driver like how koko is a comfort replacement to xq in sucrose driver

her being electro + an amazing fav proc'er does give her more value as a battery to beidou or maybe even an XL in a suc comp too (compared to Koko's nonexistent battery value, ofc youre losing ttds buff value)

outside of suc driver shell just be another option for SC healer or EC healer ig and halfdecent battery with fav

wait, what's the icd of her ult?

[daring owl]

just standard afaik

[hollow river]

maybe the value of her c6 is supposed to come from a guaranteed like 4-5 reactions during her ult period if you have enough app of another element?

[small turtle]

thats going to be hard if the icd is standard

[hollow river]

still seems scuffed & not very good since it applies so much in conjunction with her E that it will prob just overtake

but i mean its something ig

[small turtle]

since >50% has 7 hits, only 2 will proc reaction

and <50% should be 4

[hollow river]

yeah but her E and C4

should also proc 1 each

i think they should just change her c6 to an electro infusion

i dont really think it would be that good

but it would be hella fun lol

[small turtle]

we were hoping a shred

on the prev beta

but nope, we got visual update

[daring owl]

a shred would be cool just anything support related would be nice

[small turtle]

c6 for a shred is balanced imo

[hollow river]

wdym her c6 gives her like 120 extra hp healed thats support related

[small turtle]

like if she triggers reaction, the two elements that caused the reaction will be shred for like idk 20% or something

[daring owl]

that would be nice

[hollow river]

honestly her current cons ideas overall arent that bad

if the scaling wasnt so nonexistent

c4/c6*

[daring owl]

c4 is good procing c6 is impossible and even if you get it off the cooldown is so long

[small turtle]

monday is coming, i am hoping a actual buff

[daring owl]

more text changes

[hollow river]

c4 just has absolutely no meaningful impact in dmg because of how low it is + the timer on it and c6 doesnt matter because her EM scaling is too low to get value out of it

ig her c4 can have some niche value in certain teams tho ye

[daring owl]

the base damage is low but extra electro application is good

[hollow river]

eh its one extra proc every 5s and in sucrose driver that adds nothing because sucrose only needs one app of electro to start applying it herself

[daring owl]

ye it's low but it's better than nothing

[hollow river]

although actually

her c4 does seem to have value if u run her xq/kuki/xl/suc driver specifically

since xl will cleanse the electro more frequently ?

or could potentially at least

it helps to stop that from happening

thats prob the team im gonna run her on since she can fav funnel xl + sucrose can comfortably run ttds and snapshot it onto xl

[opal crane]

I'm curious about Kuki, does she work with Eula comps (Eula-fischl-rosaria-kuki)? If not what comps does she seem to work with?

[small turtle]

she works, i say decent, on eula team

[keen sinew]

well there is no real reason why she won't work in a Eula team

in a eula team you mainly are doing superconduct reaction so kuki skill proc wont mess anything up less you have other elements on the field when it procs

[quiet lichen]

So how’s Kuki looking for a flex in an Itto comp?

[tawdry bone]

it won't be that much of a flex I'll tell u that

[quiet lichen]

[oblique delta]

how dare you allude to the bad combination of arataki itto gang members?

bro shogin it'll be pretty much of a flex, believe me!!!!!!! arataki itto gang yooo!!!!

[crimson oasis]

Okay so clearly the way to play kuki is this

Sayu - Kuki - Xinyan - Sucrose

or maybe sayu - kuki - xinyan - barbara

Kuki + Xinyan for orbital overloads while rolling around, sucrose for EM buff and VV so you can run 4p clam on sayu

if not running sucrose, you can maybe sometimes vapeload/overvape/EC+pyrowhatever with barbs

with barbs you obvs wanna roll with hydro infused (if that is even manageable cuz of the pyro aura from xinyan), and I guess you mostly get vapes instead of EC+vape, but yea testing required

sayu-kuki-xinyan-xl probably also works if u run fav on sayu

[noble elbow]

was thinking about shinobu's energy generation and then had a flash of intelligence

shinobu is meant to be up close and personal like eula
so if you're
playing her like a sane person would
you're surrounded by enemies, each with a 45% chance to proc a particle
you have a lesser chance of not generating a particle than generating a particle
me when i learn how the game works

[lucid ginkgo]

Has anyone tested whether or not haran or mistsplitter is better on Kuki?

I’d wanna know if the crit damage for mist splitter is more ideal than haran’s passive for a physical kuki

[crimson oasis]

In no circumstance at all is it good to build for Kuki's damage unless you really want to go for phys

And if you want to go for phys, I guess you go aquila regardless

[lucid ginkgo]

I really wanna build her for physical lol

I know she’s supposed to be bad, but I just wanna make her work

[crimson oasis]

I'm not sure why you'd go haran or mistsplitter because those give elemental dmg%

As a crit statstick, sure.. But if you're comparing 5*s wouldnt the aquila simply win

[lucid ginkgo]

I’m asking because I’m just wondering whether or not to pull on haran or mistsplitter

[crimson oasis]

Only really pull on mistsplitter if you got enough to go for 3x pity

because unforged is garbo

[lucid ginkgo]

I want mistsplitter but seeing as the next weapon banner is less ideal for me if I lose, then you know

[crimson oasis]

pulling haran is dece because elegy is quite good also

[lucid ginkgo]

Ye, that’s what I’m thinking

I was thinking about using whatever weapon I pull for ayaka and kuki

[crimson oasis]

Sure mistsplitter is good but also the unforged is entirely useless

[lucid ginkgo]

I saw some damage showcases with ayaka and haran and they weren’t bad, so I was thinking eh, why not

[crimson oasis]

So only really consider it if you got 33k primos/genesis

[noble elbow]

i am doubting myself now so can anyone confirm or deny it

[rain axle]

How’s kuki ?

[crimson oasis]

Really kind of bad. She really only provides heals

As full EM atleast she heals AND can do some reaction damage, but otherwise she's shit

Her dmg is super low so it's not worth going like hp/elec/crit or whatever

[torpid oak]

I don’t think it works like that, as far as I’m aware, every skill use can only proc one particle gen per tick. For example, if you hit multiple enemies wit Xingqui’s E, it’ll generate the same amount as if you hit only one enemy

[tawdry bone]

isnt she good in dugtrio for heal+crystallize+TOM

[crimson oasis]

fucks dugtrio

[tawdry bone]

:/

[crimson oasis]

No I mean wtf is dugtrio

[tawdry bone]

itto albedo gorou lol

sorry didnt get u

[crimson oasis]

About as useful as barbara kekw

[noble elbow]

i feel like there's a difference there considering xingqiu has a 100% chance to generate particles, compared to shinobu who only has a chance to generate a particle

[crimson oasis]

if not worse

[subtle finch]

Triple geo core of Itto albedo Gorou

[tawdry bone]

shield strength and basically a permanent noblesse buff

[subtle finch]

A dugtrio is a 3 headed ground type Pokémon

[torpid oak]

I think it’s the same principle, I’d have to check later myself though

[crimson oasis]

I really don't see why though. You'll still need someone to actually build EM cuz they are the ones proccing crystallize.. Sure you get heals and have permanent ToM

but also gorou + zhongli is enough heal and shield

[subtle finch]

You shouldn’t really need EM

Itto runs a lot of defense which makes shields tankier

[tawdry bone]

well for me i dont even have zhongli so

[crimson oasis]

If you want crystallize to actually work..

[subtle finch]

On top of geo resonance and ToTM making shields tankier

And if you want to make them even stronger albedo buffs EM by 125 himself already

[tawdry bone]

ur running geo resonance, permanant crystallize gen, shield strength, and full def team

[subtle finch]

^^^

[tawdry bone]

alongside albedos em buff

[subtle finch]

And you have an abundance of the shields

[tawdry bone]

even if the shields are mediocre you have amazing uptime anyways

[subtle finch]

You will be replacing them with new ones constantly

[crimson oasis]

ig you get a new shield every time kuki's icd refreshes yea

[tawdry bone]

kuki isnt exactly super versatile but she fits her niche well

[crimson oasis]

Sure ig she's not bad if you dont have zl

[tawdry bone]

she also benefits gorou

[crimson oasis]

the only nice I see for her is another orbital for sayu

[subtle finch]

Even faster than that cuz geo doesn’t remove entire electro aura so you’re gonna get multiple crystals per electro applicaton

[crimson oasis]

sayu - kuki - xinyan orbital overload dream team

[tawdry bone]

because he needs crystallize procs for his uptime to be present for ittos burst duration

[tawdry bone]

does xinyans shield deal pyro from offield?

[crimson oasis]

Yea

[tawdry bone]

i forgot what exactly it was

huh

for some reason i thought it was just a def shield

[crimson oasis]

it's an orbital fire dmg proccing shield

[subtle finch]

Yes

Every 2 seconds

No icd

[crimson oasis]

So not like thoma's, thoma is conic not orbital

[tawdry bone]

o

[subtle finch]

Xinyan shield also uses defense so Gorou makes it stronger

[tawdry bone]

ic

[subtle finch]

An overload team of Sayu Xinyan Kuki does sound cool

If only Kuki applied electro faster

[crimson oasis]

4th slot allows for super spicy picks

[tawdry bone]

sucrose for grouping? dunno

whos a good grouper

[crimson oasis]

either sucrose, so sayu can run clam.. Xiangling if you run fav on sayu.. Barbara for maybe getting EC+Pyro reactions

[subtle finch]

Barbara applies electro like once every 5 seconds tho

[crimson oasis]

You roll infuse hydro

[subtle finch]

I mean hydro

[subtle finch]

It doesn’t prioritize pyro?

[crimson oasis]

wait fuck yea

same prios as kazuha

[tawdry bone]

is sayus healing good enough for that

[noble elbow]

alrighty

[crimson oasis]

Sayu has the biggest heals of all supports

So if kokomi can do it, sayu does it even better

[subtle finch]

@orchid folio Sayu talk

Gib ideas

[orchid folio]

Sayu?

but this is kuki

[tawdry bone]

rlly?

[orchid folio]

Oh

[crimson oasis]

Sayu - kuki - xinyan

[subtle finch]

We tryna make something with Sayu Kuki Xinyan work

[crimson oasis]

orbital stonkage

[orchid folio]

I am legit as we speak calcing hyper sayu

so that was funny

[tawdry bone]

ig her atk and em scaling is good

didnt use her much

[orchid folio]

don't sus me

xd

[crimson oasis]

Yes actually. It's not hard to get 6k heals per Q proc

[subtle finch]

My concern with this idea is kukis abysmal electro application

[orchid folio]

well if its aoe sayu can potentially keep electro up through swirls

but she'll absorb pyro with her skill

if she's rolling

with xinyan shield

and that will overload and kill the electro

[subtle finch]

Yeah won’t the roll absorb pyro from Xinyan

[crimson oasis]

It will, but swirl might keep electro cycling around

[tawdry bone]

could you be running raiden so u have a better hope of getting electros off

[subtle finch]

I don’t think that’s possible

Xinyan is already applying pyro every 2 seconds

[orchid folio]

well it's possible but it's not something I'd like to calc

[subtle finch]

On top of sayu rolling

[orchid folio]

sayu is every 1.5s if she hits every roll

[subtle finch]

Yeah I don’t think it’s possible for electro aura to survive that

With Kuki being every 3 seconds…

[orchid folio]

even fischl will have trouble

since sayu isn't using normals

[subtle finch]

They really need to remove Kukis icd

[crimson oasis]

fr

[orchid folio]

together no ICD kuki and fischl

would probably be OK

maybe

or lisa

in aoe with c4

[crimson oasis]

I was thinking lisa as well yeah

[subtle finch]

Don’t we need things that move with Sayu tho

[crimson oasis]

Lisa's Q is huge enough

[orchid folio]

circle impact: rolling edition

[subtle finch]

[orchid folio]

it's overload though so anything smaller than a ruin guard

[crimson oasis]

However overload be overload

[orchid folio]

is flying to kingdom come

[crimson oasis]

I guess you gotta just drift around them and OL them back into the center

[subtle finch]

What would be nice is if Kuki at least applied self electro

So she could guarantee Kazuha and Sayu electro infusion

[crimson oasis]

Yeah you could get some sunfire-but-its-electro TC

[serene sonnet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dzRLnjUDKCE-VAgC__jAAB17gczspeEpCW5vzbYRMAI/edit#gid=0

Why does Raiden have ToM in this sheet ? Wouldn't it be better on Kuki ? And put EoSF on the mighty Shogun ?

[crimson oasis]

idk message akane

I'm more curious how they got kuki in zakharov's ER calculator

@small turtle Doesn't this rotation only work once because you're not running sac on kuki? Since you're assuming the rotation time is 26 and not 30

[hollow river]

is this real or did you get scarlet rot from the blade of miquella

[crimson oasis]

It must've been the dragonrot because sekiro>elden ring

[glad harness]

Sucrose is not enough of a grouper for overload. Her pulls are very light. Kazuha with sac sword and/or C1 is the best.

And problem with Xinyan is the shield is very weak, even if build her defense. She needs tons of ER as well and does no dmg. Xiangling is better.

[hollow river]

for off-field OL maybe but sucrose is fine as an OL grouper if she's on-field driving

[glad harness]

Then you haven't seen a kazuha in overload team. No one can escape

Sucrose can't pull the mobs as tight as him. Versus the vishap she might even push them away instead of grouping.

[glad harness]

https://youtu.be/UKNgsyYe6ss . Level 0 artifacts so mobs won't die too fast.

I have no problem with smaller mobs even if I play Lisa as overloader. Sometimes they still fly out of Lisa's ult but small mobs are weak so they often die before they had a chance to escape. I have high hope for Kuki since the E is not fixed in one place like Lisa and doesn't require energy. But the ICD on her is bad. The C4 might save her though, if it can add 3 more overloads per rotation.

[small turtle]

Oh wait rots not update currently

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

I edited it

Raiden takes 10 seconds on field, same goes for eula

[small turtle]

reason being is that totm provides team that can assist both eula and raiden

[crimson oasis]

Do beta testers get to send feedback to mhy

because we need the power to buff kuki

[small turtle]

[hollow river]

just buff her cons :>

quick maffs but Kuki should actually add more consistent damage to Sucrose Ketchum w/ Xiang outside of 1 rotation even factoring in TTDS because of ult uptimes. XQ (SS)+Kuki (FAV)+Xiangling+Sucrose needs significantly less ER on Xiangling than Fischl+Koko+Xiangling+Sucrose because XQ can funnel his 2nd E into another unit and still not have ER problems because of how much u get from off-field same element energy. Assuming 180% ER on Xiangling, it lowers her burst cost by 20energy if you funnel fav and sac into xiang. She should gen around 25ish energy for herself & depending on fav refine you can get around 20extra energy per rotation onto xiangling so you can run a relatively low ER Xiang in SuKukimon versus SuKokomon which requires fav users that dont proc it as well as Kuki and also want to run other weapons

also Sucrose can still run TTDS so you still get the TTDS buff

but idk if it's worth the EM loss from sac frags since Sucrose reactions are a good chunk of Sucrose Ketchum damage

with R5 fav Kuki can also funnel multiple units in this team since u can start rot with Kuki E into XQ QE2>Xiang QE>Sucrose>Kuki Q>Xiang>Sucrose

so shes funnelling xq and Xiang at the same time with no downsides

Has anyone with beta tested Kuki + Sucrose ult infusion? I know Sucrose ult infuses kinda weird but I feel like Kuki Q might make infusion easier for reactions

granted Electro isnt really the ideal infusion but if its more consistent with kuki thats still a positive

well actually i think it would be ideal in SuKukimon so if its consistent its huge

since electro is the only one that guarantees only transfo reactions from suc

since u dont want to accidentally be triggering vapes or smthn off of suc & an electro ult on sucrose should actually add a decent amt of dps if shes the one triggering the rxn

[hollow cairn]

I'm so sorry but this is so many words

[hollow river]

I bolded the only thing i care if people see for u

if u have the answer thats huge

Because from my understanding, attacks on the butterfly from suc ult itself will infuse it right?

if you kuki Q into Sucrose Q

it should guarantee an electro sucrose ult

[hollow cairn]

mmm I haven't used sucrose in a while so I'm not sure

my bad ballstomper

[hollow river]

ill test it in a bit with amber ult since its similar

[hollow river]

it did not work

so rip that

but from testing i did vs enemies amber ult > sucrose ult always gave me pyro infused ult

but thats just cuz they have pyro on them

[simple cypress]

Aside from well aimed pyro, electro, and hydro charged arrows, you can't absorb attacks. It must be from an aura on an enemy, character, or object

Typical absorption priority is pyro > hydro > electro > cryo
If either pyro or hydro exist in sucrose's range while attempting to absorb electro, the pyro (highest priority) or hydro aura will always be absorbed over electro.. so Kuki won't really make things easier than Fischl in that regard

[hollow river]

well maybe with c1 if you let it hit for a bit ?

since its aoe is larger

it should increase the odds at least a bit over fischl

[simple cypress]

If Kuki's burst manages to cleanse the number soup and keep a window of electro open just long enough for sucrose to throw her baby hypostasis at, maaaaybe

But there has to be no pyro or hydro at all within range of sucrose's burst

[hollow river]

tbf i dont think what sucrose ult infuses with is that big of a deal

[simple cypress]

Xinyan's self pyro comes and goes.. so if Sayu doesnt immediately switch and roll, she can miss the first Pyro aura. The only problem is if you have lv 3 shield and you get pyro off whatever enemies the shield hits

[hollow river]

besides pyro ig but thats easy to avoid with xiang

since u make sure u sucrose ult before or after xiang rot

will sucrose still prio hydro if they have EC on them?

[simple cypress]

If you had use this team for overload then last slot has to be lisa

[simple cypress]

Yeah hydro will get priority between the two auras

[subtle finch]

but circle impact

[tardy cosmos]

just go full em guys, stop the copium

[hollow river]

i feel like EM kuki isnt really even that worth tho

[glad harness]

Last slot xiangling and let kuki be the one to trigger.

[simple cypress]

And switch xinyan for bennett.. but ig we're trying to make xinyan work?

[glad harness]

you want pyro aura in an overload team. For VV to shred pyro

[hollow river]

no i think the meme is using all "circle" chars idk

[glad harness]

why need bennett? Still function well without bennett. A bit lower dmg though

[simple cypress]

Just to battery xiangling

[glad harness]

xinyan might want a sac greatsword

[hollow river]

like kuki circle, xinyan shield, sayu roll

i dont think op was serious with that team lol

at least i hope not

[simple cypress]

The Benny buff is nice on Sayu and Xiangling too

[glad harness]

yeahh, but without benny it's ok too. That's why I hope MHY release another pyro sub dps soon

[hollow river]

yoimiya ult

[simple cypress]

Are there any other pyro characters that can be a good battery?

[glad harness]

Xinyan is 2nd after benny

[hollow river]

If they make a sac spear then thoma could

[simple cypress]

Oh...

[glad harness]

Thoma is nice

[simple cypress]

Too bad Thoma doesn't work at all with sayu

[glad harness]

but thoma doesn't work well with sayu

ye

[simple cypress]

Can't even absorb his Pyro aura :‹

[hollow river]

oh youre trying to make a sayu roll team

i c i c

[glad harness]

Other than xinyan, can try amber

but bunny is quite hard to play

[simple cypress]

If Xinyan is 2nd best and you can already use her for pyro absorption and shield.. can't think of a reason not to use her if not benny

[glad harness]

Xinyan with sac GS sounds nice

need a THICC shield though

[hollow river]

Thoma shield is pretty thicc with high invest

it's = to pre 1.3 buffs ZL if you normal at least twice with Thoma ult

[glad harness]

actually xinyan don't need that much shield hmm. Already have 2 healers there

and xiangling take care of the pyro aura

[simple cypress]

Would really just be for battery.. feels kinda bad

[glad harness]

you can build her phys and spin a bit.

[hollow river]

I feel like for Sayu roll you could run Fav Kuki to help battery Xiang, Sayu, Xiang, Thoma OR you could go for double geo Gorou + Albedo with Sara

since Gorou ult should be hitting shit while you roll

and albedo should proc off it too + give u shields

[glad harness]

this is quite nice idea

[hollow river]

granted it wouldnt be reaction dmg and youd have to build cv raw roll dmg lol

[simple cypress]

The problem with a double geo sayu team is that there isn't a whole lot of damage to buff esp if your fourth slot is kuki

[hollow river]

you could also do fav thoma + XL + albedo + sayu

and just shield over heal

[simple cypress]

Yeah just give everyone fav and send it lol

[hollow river]

if you have c4 fei she could work too

basically whatever shielder u have built with fav + XL + albedo + sayu could actually be good

[simple cypress]

sayu xiangling flex flex is a legitimate sayu strategy

[tawdry bone]

What is kuki best build

[hollow river]

Tenacity of the Millileth and Fav Sword

[real trench]

with kuki for flex?
we rolling they be flying

[tawdry bone]

if totm but for em becomes thing I could see Suc Kuki Fischl XQ being a very decent comp. instructors doesnt count

Beidou steals like half of the electrocharge procs

*Instead of either Sucrose or Kuki. But if a character has to compensate for anything then that's a sign of anti synergy

Terrapin found that if your Beidou wasn't very invested, bringing her to taser could actually lose you damage

And you gonna need to invest even harder if Fischl isn't there to battery her

[hollow river]

Kuki with fav isnt that far behind fischl for beidou battery tho

[tawdry bone]

Solves nothing regarding the stolen procs tanking sucrose damage

[hollow river]

yeah but kuki isnt that far behind in terms of batterying beidou is all

[tawdry bone]

Don't get me wrong, it will work

I just think it's a very inefficient use of Beidou

EC trigger is determine by the last aura applied before the EC timer ticks

So what normally happens without Beidou is that Sucrose spreads both the electro and the hydro aura with swirl

(in AoE)

So she procs mosts of the EC herself, and with VV and her all EM is a bunch of damage

But Beidou burst applies a ton of electro in AoE because it deals so many hits

So she can apply electro last and steal the proc from Sucrose

[glad harness]

I tried 2 different taser teams, Xingqiu Fischl Sucrose Beidou and Xingqiu Fischl Sucrose Sayu. The sayu variant is much more comfortable to run and only slightly lower in dmg.

Another problem with Beidou is that if I swap around a lot, I won't be attacking much to proc the lightnings. Average just 8 times per rotation.

[tawdry bone]

Regarding Beidou comps, maybe in biased because my Beidou is mega stacked, but I usually play her with Bennett for 20k+ bounces.

[grand willow]

yeah she needs to be able to compensate for the weaker EC tick with self damage

[tawdry bone]

I also play her in Taser because my Sucrose has 4* artifacts and I refuse to farm VV, so losing EC isn't that much of a deal for me personally

[grand willow]

hence hyperinvest

beidou's damage is kinda overrated in most cases though since she requires a pretty specific scenario to get the sheet damage most people have her at

[tawdry bone]

Childe comps will work, Kokomi too. None of those build EM so who triggers EC in those comps doesnt matter.

[glad harness]

To use beidou to the fullest would require a benny

[tawdry bone]

Yeah but when the sheet impact hits just right... omg

it feels so good

She has my best emblem artifacts, 6 months of farming and I regret nothing

[grand willow]

kuki can probably handle tenacity but fischl doesnt hurt to take it either

since its a pain to constantly swap

[keen sinew]

does alley flash work off field?

[hollow river]

I'm 99.9% sure if the buff is up when they swap off idk if itll activate the buff live while theyre off though

[grand willow]

does it increase your char's stats in char screen if you have it equipped on sub

[unique sphinx]

having more dmg on fischl is better unless you are running a hypercarry like Eula

Kuki on the other doesn't have much dmg herself plus the 20% hp is good for her kit so ToM is more suited for her

[true mesa]

Is her bis pjc or freedomsworn

[shrewd crescent]

Depends on the role ig

FS for support

Jade for D R I P

[alpine dock]

Kuki cutter

[deep dune]

👀

[hollow river]

Fischl only likes ToTM cuz theres no good set for her atm cuz gambler is 4*

As soon as a set comes out that is good on Fischl, ToTM wont be as worth on her but TotM will always be good on Kuki cuz its built into her kit to work for her lol

Shes designed to be a ToTM buffer while Fischl is just one by virtue of no arti set really benefitting her damage enough for anything else to be worth

[tawdry bone]

One r5 cutter for Kuki and another one for Qiqi.

[grand willow]

dunno why you'd want jade cutter on an EMspammer

other than to flex your bux

too many jade cutters etc

[main bay]

I dont feel like shes designed to be a ToM buffer

I just think that is the only thing she has going for her because she’s dysfunctional AF

a warm body to hold ToM isnt a good slot justification Imo

[hollow cairn]

dendro reactions will buff kuki + yae

[tawdry bone]

Seriously tho

No sane reaction can save a kit this dysfunctional

[median sapphire]

Then make an insane one

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/wongrande-gif-24458192

[spice ice]

They just need to give her res shred or something to that nature

Some utility besides healing

[shrewd crescent]

Because spamming em lame

[mental stag]

EM pieces sux ..

getting gud rolls on them worth mentioning is sux even more

[green dagger]

man, Kuki is really sad

[mental stag]

yep

[tawdry bone]

Why is she sad? Did Itto go to jail again?

[mental stag]

she feels like another "Kokomi" issue .. her ES is ok enuf to enable ToTM + healing + electro applying (i guess) while her Q not really adding much to her

if only that Q was doing something extra

other then dmg

[tawdry bone]

it IS doing something extra: ||wasting time||

[mental stag]

[green dagger]

she wouldnt be sad by that
just disappointed

[tawdry bone]

I feel like she could be saved by a sword that is basically ToM with a max HP substat

Imagine if 4* got signature weapons

[mental stag]

Freedom Sworn

[tawdry bone]

Nah, not enough uptime

[mental stag]

[tawdry bone]

The inazuma craftable catalyst exists, so maybe it's not impossible

[mental stag]

well pog it all .. mihoyo simply hates Inazuma's 4*

Gorou is only usefull one nd thats just for 2-3 charas nd hell they all want to be in the same team anyways so he is still gated to 1 team

[tiny sedge]

I don't think Gorou is only useful 4* from Inazuma... Sara and Sayu are good also
I think Thoma and Kuki are weaker only

[tawdry bone]

Thoma basically belongs in a different game imho

Shield is very solid, but there's no content for it

"I need a fire shield" said no one ever in this game

[hollow river]

shielding itself just isnt enough utility and thats all he does

his shield is literally almost exactly the same strength with similar investment to ZL pre 1.3 buff

i.e. same reason ZL wasn't good before his buffs lol

also ZL's shield now being 1.5x stronger than what it was pre buff just makes it indestructible

it's weird that they chose to make thoma give like 0 utility and also make his shield just strong enough like old ZL was and not unbreakable especially with its ER req

when/if sac spear drops hell be able to battery and not need any extra er investment tho which will be nice QoL to him

[hollow river]

fischl has gotten one

waltz

[tawdry bone]

Yeah, because she's in Honkai too iirc

[hollow river]

also dspine spear might technically be considered a sig weap of rosaria ?

even tho its worse than crescent pike lol

she was released alongside it and all her pv's and stuff she was shown with it

[tawdry bone]

That doesn't seem right, it should be around the same strength as current shieldbot Zhongli with 9-10 stacks

[hollow river]

Zhong li (pre 1.3): 40,000 hp he will (T10) shield between 11928 and 14910 depending on his ascension proc (40,000(.2304)+2712)(1.25) Thoma: 35,000 hp will (T10) shield between 6061 and 20626 35,000(.1296)+1525= ; (35,000(.3528)+4153)(1.25) Thoma seems to have more variability, so a fair, realistic estimate of his shielding at T10 C0 with 35k hp is: ((35,000(.1296)+1525) + (35,000(.0206)+242)(3))1.15= 10,292 --calculation based on you using your auto attack only 3x during his ult if you use NA 5x then it's 13,595 SO, 40kHP Zhong li's range is 11928 - 14910 T10, C0 (pre 1.3 buffs) 35kHP Thoma's realistic range is 10,292 - 13,595 T10, C0 They're EXTREMELY comparable and Thoma's upper range is much more easily achievable than old ZL's PLUS ZL had no interruption resistance casting your shield so it was much less consistent to get off than thoma. (C3+ also edges in Thoma's favor more, but I didn't want to calc C0 AND C3 lol) Was ZL Overbuffed? Yes. Does that mean he was good pre-buff? No.

not by any means saying thoma is good but I also dont think pre buff ZL was good

just that thoma's shield is similar mathematical value

it can be higher tho just by a realistic estimate imo

[grand willow]

im not sure where the kuki shinobu hate is coming from tbh

other than hurr electro

she has a pretty good kit apart from not having a partywide heal

no energy gate so dont need to build ER

scales off EM so can get heals while also enabling electro reactions

good uptime and range on her electro app unlike barbara/qiqi

like obv if you dont need an electro then she's not that useful but thats a comps issue and not the character

if she had the exact same kit but was anemo or hydro you'd never heard the end of how op she was

[crimson oasis]

Pretty good kit??? Her burst is a waste of time since it doesn't do anything other than really bad DPS, her E's particle generation is the second worst of all electros (only better than Lisa)..

Really all she does is heal and that's it. She's basically an electro barbara but without TTDS

[grand willow]

Most bursts are a waste of time

That or the Es are

[crimson oasis]

That doesn't excuse that it's a bad burst

[crimson oasis]

If she was anemo she'd have VV, if she'd be hydro she'd still be p bad because of the low element application bc ICD

[hollow cairn]

tankfei >>>> thoma

[hollow river]

her burst is a guaranteed fav proc

[tiny sedge]

I don't think 60 cost burst with low particles just for favonius proc and small damage can be thought of as good

[hollow river]

i dont think her burst is that good

but its not useless

also if your running fav then the burst cost doesnt rly matter

[tiny sedge]

I think it is considered DPS loss similar to Zhongli and Albedo sometimes ?

It is hard to find use for her after doing tc

[crimson oasis]

Zhongli is less DPS loss bc zhongli adds defense stripping

[hollow river]

replacement to fischl in sucrose driver like how koko replaces xq

dps loss but you gain healing and ToTM buffing + fav

SuKukimon

arguably better than SuKokomon for its original comp that uses xiangling and not beidou

since she can battery xiang with fav better than koko can

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is comfort taser option but I think we found she is worse option comparing to other comfort taser like Kokomi and Qiqi already

Team you say for Sukokomon with Kuki is Sucrose Fischl Kuki Xiangling ?

It will not be able to have overvape reaction

[cold pumice]

I can't see anyone except raiden replacing fischl in EC teams

Her a4 is too valuable

The core of ec isn't electro anemo hydro

Its fischl anemo hydro

[grand willow]

well its like how no one took sayu seriously as a meta character until we realized ayato comps needed a VV healer

[main bay]

Sayus floor is higher off the rip because of vv utility

I dont really here much about sayu other than if u have jean u dont really need her

Which is understandable

Sayus kit at full cons isnt really dysfunctional because EM and attack covers her whole kit

I think the main thing people are upset about isnt even the split scaling as much as having a damage only burst that doesnt do damage. Her utility isnt really niche so much as it kinda doesnt really exist in her kit at all

Fav weapons and milleleth are things thats are independent of a characters kit

[shrewd crescent]

She'll be super useful when we get that one Dendro character that needs an electro healer for busted electro/dendro reaction

[main bay]

I cant speak for everyone, but i dont hate kuki at all. I really want to like her, which is why i keep checking back on this thread to see if somebody sees something i havent that isnt purely cope

[shrewd crescent]

I like her too. I just hate her split scaling on E and would like that and everything em related changed

[main bay]

They legit put some utility on her burst and she’s instantly much more interesting

[shrewd crescent]

But seriously please add em scaling on burst too or give more em on c6

[main bay]

So far the thing that makes the most sense to me is Eula team as a healer/SC bot

[cold pumice]

There was the Yae/Raiden/Kuki/Kazuha team

But like, why wouldn't you sub kokomi instead of kuki

[unique sphinx]

I like Shinobu too and that's exactly why I want her to be a great character, her current state is causing everyone who likes her to be on copium hoping mihoyo will buff her

[plush mirage]

I still think there might be spot on kazuha + double hydro + kuki

[hollow river]

You replace fischl with kuki not xq lol

So its kuki xq sucrose xiangling

[tiny sedge]

Oh it seems like an okay team then. It seem like it is not so necessary , only switch Kuki with Bennett to have stronger national team already. Unless it needs Bennett on other team I don't know why to use it

[cold pumice]

I disgree with swapping fischl being okay, Fischl is core to pretty much all Electro based reaction teams because A4 and kuki can't match it removelte close.

XQ can be replaced, his primary job is to apply hydro which kokomi can fill to a lesser extend, sucrose can be replaced, primary job is to swirl which othercharcters can do. But fischl's electro application is unrivaled

[pallid iris]

the only thing kuki does right is enabling mono electro

well yeah

in conclusion kuki is useless

[tawdry bone]

Good thing she's gonna get buffed tomorrow

right?

[daring owl]

[tawdry bone]

....RIGHT?

[frosty jewel]

c

[daring owl]

buffs tomorrow and she will be top meta

[shrewd crescent]

The Tsaritsa would totally love it if we were in the fatui with how delusional we're being

Let's just pray she gets more hits on burst or something

[grand willow]

im trying ayato taser with solo non-c6 fischl and im not getting enough electro app

would need kuki for it probs

with c6 its probably a different story but who has c6 lol

other than whales

when was the last time fish was even rate up

[mental stag]

her holy mother is proud of u comrade .. keep up the hard work

[daring owl]

yae

[lament cargo]

[tawdry bone]

We saw that, we don't forget.

[tired berry]

LMAO

[median sapphire]

What if they extend kuki burst duration but keep the dmg the same?

Actually nah, dmg buff is more needed 😔 just make it a nuke

[tawdry bone]

what if there is incoming character that can turn healing into damage when on-field and kuki is cracked dedicated support and we just dont know it yet

[warped saddle]

[flat umbra]

Kuki Kokomi and Barb meta?

[wooden sundial]

Kuki's off-field healing is too shit for that

[tawdry bone]

implying her onfield healing is any better

[wooden sundial]

Not at all, both are by definition equally shit

[tough trout]

normalize building kuki as a electro support instead of healer

[tawdry bone]

that's still shit

[shrewd crescent]

They won't give her shred cause she was designed to be in Itto teams

Shred def? Nah itto stronk so no need

[tawdry bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792700322346172417/890964270651682846/17c17800ec518da8c.gif

Dawei will drink to that

[median sapphire]

Just give her a constellation that shreds the def of opponents hit by her burst

Burst aoe should increase in the same cons 😔

[unkempt ginkgo]

looking back on my wishes of "I just need an electro healer",

I regret not saying "I just need an electro battery healer"

[calm ice]

Wassup kuki kopers. I'm from the future and they changed her elemental skill scaling from atk to hp. POG!

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-dance-moves-excited-gif-3531011

[daring owl]

[shrewd crescent]

Give me your delusion

[hollow river]

its not national though its sucrose driver

[mental stag]

soon :

"they nerfed Kuki .. decided that she was way too strong to be released to game nd they couldnt have it .. so now her Q scales from healing bonus nd her EM passive changed into flat dmg bonus scaled from Def "

[green dagger]

that would help the Cinnabar Spindle build

[hollow river]

a char that scaled off hp AND DEF would actually be based tho

[grand willow]

i say this a lot but mhy really needs to make it so all chars just deal their element's damage with their NA by default

would make a lot more chars viable for memebuilds

[tawdry bone]

they just need to make a chongyun for every element

[grand willow]

imagine 4tf electrozuha

[rare abyss]

imagine a dendro chongyun

[little forge]

Nah, Chongyun just should have been anemo and provide infusion of a swirled element

[tawdry bone]

don't u think that's asking for a lot

[little forge]

Why though? Imo it wouldn't make him super imbalanced.

1. Chongyun doesn't have powerful support options in his kit so you'd still pick someone more valuable like Sara/Kazuha/Bennett etc.

2. I cannot imagine how most carries can benefit from Chongyun therefore he won't ruin the balance. Hu Tao, Diluc, Keqing, Ayaka and Ayato have self-infusion and you still need downtime to rotate through supports. There is no sense in making a permanent dps window for them.

On the other hand, he would open up mdps playstyle for some burst supports like Xingqiu or Kuki

[icy granite]

Opinions on Kuki?

[hollow river]

Good in SuKukimon, bad cons, overall mediocre healing unit

[hollow river]

+low budget & low floor
+decent healer and electro applicator
-cons do absolutely nothing
-she does 0damage
-her burst only has purpose if you need a guarantee fav proc

[icy granite]

Seems kinda….

[upper kindle]

Inazuma 4 stars remains too situational

[small turtle]

we getting updates today

let us kuki prayge

[green dagger]

[median sapphire]

What’s sukukimon?

Is it sukoko but kuki instead of Fischl?

[small turtle]

possibly yeah

[upper kindle]

seems highly inefficient because of less electro application and needing to be in range

but it's my feelscrafting

[small turtle]

gonna hug the enemy

which is especially with no shields

[median sapphire]

It seems a little cope tbh-

Cause Fischl a4 helps with dmg too

And kuki’s heal goes unappreciated bc kokomi is healing so much anyway

[grand willow]

might be good for hutao overvape actually

since she wont overheal hutao as much

[torpid oak]

That really says something about Shinobu’s healing huh?

[stone jacinth]

Using her for electro app sounds very cope when she applied electro once every 3 seconds

[simple cypress]

Not all of them :›

[keen sinew]

if they buff kuki tag me

[simple cypress]

As long as you kneecap kuki's HP and keep her health above 50% yeah.. otherwise Kuki's healing is just about average

[unkempt ginkgo]

time to rename to collei-tc

[median sapphire]

expect 0 pings until 2.7 😔

[grand willow]

honestly im surprised genshin servers are even still up

[hollow river]

electro app for EC doesnt need a lot especially in Sucrose teams

because it has a cd on how often u can trigger EC anyways

and sucrose can reapply the electro herself through swirl if theres more than 2 enemies

[torpid oak]

Shinobu hasn’t gotten an update yet because they’re reworking so much of her kit trust

[keen sinew]

stop it you gonna hurt yourself

[stone jacinth]

Do you perhaps have a good sucrose team with cookie in mind?

[woven locust]

dev forgot that they have a character named Kuki

https://tenor.com/view/kuki-shinobu-cookie-shinobu-genshin-impact-knife-play-gif-25292509

[alpine dock]

5 hours till buffs

[warped saddle]

You mean 5 hours till nothing

[rose tiger]

4 hours until barely noticeable splash art changes

[simple cypress]

4 hours until burst tooltip gets a buff to show 13 hits instead of 12

[small turtle]

4 hours for sfx update

[mental stag]

4 hours untill ubatcha posts "beta has ended nd any chages if there are any will be in preload"

Nd when preload comes uba agen:

"No changes over kuki nd yelan"

[cold pumice]

[unique sphinx]

Nothing happened kekw

[unkempt ginkgo]

[unique sphinx]

Next change... Kuki got deleted from the game

[real trench]

still no kuki?

[small turtle]

latur

[unkempt ginkgo]

man, the way they made a big deal about her being feared by Itto and respected by Sara, smh

feels like they just don't care what 4*s(and Itto) say

[real trench]

lore has not much to do with in game power

i mean klee is okay
but lorewise she blew the mountains and changed the landscapes

[tawdry bone]

how much time left for the update

[cold pumice]

hour

should be

[stone jacinth]

Cookie buff in an hour

[small turtle]

be ready chat for a sfx update

[cold pumice]

[small turtle]

chat ping me for buffs

[unkempt ginkgo]

yelan got hers

[noble elbow]

can't wait for another yelan buff 😭

[pastel brook]

where kuki changes

[cold pumice]

in 10 minute probably

[mental stag]

at the end it will come to this

[unkempt ginkgo]

[mental stag]

come on folks ... we all knew if a chara doesnt recieve any love in first 1-2 week it wont recieve anything afterwards as well

ohh sorry .. wording changes still happens right

nd all the damn thing happened for Kuki was all wording changes anyways

[unkempt ginkgo]

[mental stag]

but look at it in the bright side

no changes means .. Kuki is broken .. neither testers nor mihoyo found any issue with her kit that need to be buffed changed at all .. so she defo be meta .. trust

[noble elbow]

nah because they'll buff yelan again
on god
they will buff her again

[tawdry bone]

no it means hyv doesn't care

[mental stag]

wdym .. all they did for Yelan was buffing her cons nd nerfing her base

[unkempt ginkgo]

qiqi rejected Raiden's vision so it got passed to Kuki

[mental stag]

1.5u turned to 1u .. c6 become stronger .. c3 became Q upgrade instead of E upgrade ..

ohh wait they buffed her particle generation to 4 particles allway

[noble elbow]

c2 got buffed too

[mental stag]

total dmg wise it appearently was nerfed but only for hydro application it was a buff for her

[small turtle]

scar tell me there is kuki update

[noble elbow]

WOW

LIKE I SAID!!!!!!

YELAN BUFF!!!!

[shrewd crescent]

"Kuki changes"

Time to wait

[warped saddle]

[mental stag]

again for constelations

they really wanna sell her cons man

[pastel brook]

[tawdry bone]

This is so fucking sad

[noble elbow]

i am crying

[tawdry bone]

Not even fatui are this evil

[noble elbow]

this is diabolical

[mental stag]

[noble elbow]

they really want the jack of all trades but she's gonna be the mid of all trades 😭

[tawdry bone]

"mid"

Generous, aren't we?

[noble elbow]

i'm in tears.

[mental stag]

well tho honestly .. withou great buffs they cant really fix Kuki nd hell who would bother with changing a 4* s kit that much .. 4* units always tend to stay as they are they dont really recieve much love

[hushed meadow]

At this moment

Lets burn the building

[mental stag]

but whelp .. i would be happy enuf if they increased her ES AoE a bit

[small turtle]

so nothing again

[hushed meadow]

[noble elbow]

[small turtle]

tbf, mihoyo probably is strictly monitoring their facilities

[mental stag]

her Q worthless anyways .. ohh wait ..her ES electro application is once every 3 sec right?

great another down factor that i totally forgot

[noble elbow]

1.5 sec isn't it

[mental stag]

so not even Kokomi

[tawdry bone]

HAHAHHA... nope

[small turtle]

looks like she wont be moving at all and yelan is getting little changes

[noble elbow]

sobbing
crying
screaming

[tawdry bone]

so no kuki buffs?

[small turtle]

nothing again

[mental stag]

like they would .. told you sighh .. they just hate inazuu 4* units

[elder hamlet]

Kuki:mmmmmmm, hello hoyoverse? At least let me powercreep kokomi for god sake

[shut horizon]

They hate all inazuman characters

[little forge]

At this point her EM passive should become something phenomenal in future updates

[pastel brook]

boring ass beta

[shut horizon]

Because of history perhaps?

[spare plume]

Smell biased bs

[noble elbow]

this!!!!!

[tough trout]

obviously not we have ayaka, ayato, kazuha, baal, yoimiya

[meager valve]

[noble elbow]

yoimiya is in that list.

[tawdry bone]

i'm sure he's talking about the 4stars

[mental stag]

bro everything can slide but why in the fckin world u giving her standart icd .. at least make her ES apply electro every ticc .. frigin lunatics

[tough trout]

oh then yes

[tough trout]

well yoimiya is ok ig

[noble elbow]

it HURTS

[noble elbow]

could've let her normals scale higher considering her single target damage

[tough trout]

true

[meager valve]

do mihoyo look at kuki and honestly think "Perfect, she's exactly where we want her"? An entire beta with barely any changes to kuki

[hushed meadow]

Dendro

[meager valve]

its, honestly baffling

[elder hamlet]

Well, kuki is just 4 stars

[hushed meadow]

Still tho

[mental stag]

i think more then anything i would want a "resistance to interruption" especially for Yoimiya .. that would open space for more flexible team comps .. cuz with her situation u are litterally forced into Zhongli-Yoimiya pair

[elder hamlet]

You can easily get c6 her

[tawdry bone]

It's not surprising if you think of her a solely a banner filler character.

[hushed meadow]

She could've been better

[meager valve]

that's too much cope, be careful

[small turtle]

@hushed meadow beta looking dry with little changes?

[noble elbow]

idk how they did 😭 they could've run calcs of their own to at least make her some kind of efficient

[hushed meadow]

Probably?

[little forge]

You never know what Mihoyo consider working as intented

[noble elbow]

zhongli provides her with quite a lot though

[hushed meadow]

GI Front posted c6 Kuki screenshot but when I checked it's the same as previous beta

[main bay]

Filler character. Working as intended. I guess

[ionic yew]

why is kuki so bad

genuine question

[noble elbow]

they didn't have to cut me off
something something something nothing
and i don't even need your love somebody that i uses to knoe

[noble elbow]

nobody knows.

[main bay]

U mean what makes her bad or why did they decide to do her dirty?

[tawdry bone]

Takes a spot in a banner while providing near zero value, pretty much meant to lower the value of your pulls. I'm half serious with this

[elder hamlet]

Honestly ,kuki is bad in the first place coz she electro.............

[ionic yew]

both

[elder hamlet]

Hoyoverse must hate electro

[ionic yew]

omfg shut up lmao

[noble elbow]

raiden and beidou exist

[ionic yew]

did you stop playing the game in like 1.5?

[pastel brook]

[elder hamlet]

You shut up!

[ionic yew]

💀

[meager valve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399808441079562241/960084104227999814/keqingrip.gif

[tawdry bone]

Replying because everybody doing it

[tawdry bone]

I believe Raiden and Beidou are good not because of their element but because their kit is just that good

[noble elbow]

i can only pull her because i love her instead of her actual value

[ionic yew]

my cat is disgusted

[main bay]

Electro bad. Raiden, beidou, fischl, Sara, Yae are just exceptions obviously

[noble elbow]

it still pushes the point across i think
dude said kuki was bad because she was electro, i was stating electro chars that are good

[ionic yew]

yae isnt 🙂

[noble elbow]

yae is mid but i love her anyway

[pastel brook]

[ionic yew]

fr same

[pastel brook]

y'all gotta be joking

[rare forum]

raiden and beidou exist😭

[pastel brook]

[ionic yew]

yae simp smh

[rare forum]

yea but sara > fischl for me🤭

[ionic yew]

yae is like

[main bay]

I def was. Electro bad is such a bad take lol. Yae bad is also a bad take

[elder hamlet]

Raiden coz she archon
Beidou coz she from liyue

😭

[ionic yew]

bottom 4 5 star

[pastel brook]

my c0 yae is doing 250k ults but cry about it

[rare forum]

no.?..?????

their kits are just good so😭

[ionic yew]

you understood that?

[pastel brook]

and it's never gonna stop

[noble elbow]

fischl good battery
sara good buffer

[rare forum]

this

[ionic yew]

fish battery is questionable

[pastel brook]

yeah venti is broken

[elder hamlet]

[ionic yew]

she just has good dmg

[shrewd crescent]

The hell am I reading today

[pastel brook]

Electro bad

[noble elbow]

yae's mid because of her passives
they don't match her
replenishing charges does nothing if there's no advantage to how they're placed, and no one actually builds em for yae's second passive

[shrewd crescent]

[ionic yew]

dude from 1.5

he probably says bennett is bad too

or she

[main bay]

Mid by definition isnt bad. Its just mid

[ionic yew]

or they

idfk

[elder hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/so-salty-salt-bae-bitter-jealous-angry-gif-17584364

[noble elbow]

fair

[shrewd crescent]

Where's noir when you need him

[ionic yew]

bennett is the second worst pyro

[green dagger]

man, I just give up at this point

[ionic yew]

diluc is best dps

[main bay]

Theres no point

[noble elbow]

i'm sorry i can't take you seriously anymore after unironically posting this

[cerulean sapphire]

Should we call mods here

[mental stag]

electro reactions effects are the bad ones honestly .. all are lacking so much cuz they are all situational

EC = only stuns smol units nd hell it doesnt really effect them much unlike it effecst us but it allows 2 element to stay on a mob which makes it real good regardless .. still its effect is poopy .. i would take "higher dmg" over that useless stun .. it only really stun u instead of mobs man

Overload = i despise everything about it

Superconduct = prolly the best reaction among electro reactions .. if only it wasnt meant for only 1 chara in the game nd had electro nd cryo res shred as well

i hardly doubt dendro will be any diffirent nd will just be another situational / limited usage reaction like others

[sour oracle]

[sour oracle]

let's not troll here, thank you

[ionic yew]

bro....

;

wrong reply mb

[shrewd crescent]

I just want noir, von or ell here to laugh at this

[main bay]

Lol why did u pick me to reply too. I didnt start this and my sarcasm was quite obvious

[ionic yew]

who runs em electro lmao

[sour oracle]

can do that in #・tc-lounge or #・copium

[ionic yew]

plus ec is actually good

[sour oracle]

it's thread wide, sorry if that's not clear.

[mental stag]

supposedly Yae nd Kuki

[tawdry bone]

So what do you all think of the Kuki buffs? I think all 0 of them are good

[ionic yew]

thats why yae is bad 🙂

satire ofc

[main bay]

Copy. Its off topic anyway and stupid topic to debate anyway, so thats fine

[noble elbow]

overload is good if you can reach the staggered enemies, yanfei and yoimiya don't really have this issue
but then again i'm a yanfei main so #bias
superconduct is good but its market is so thin
razor, eula, maybe rosaria, and xinyan
but then again xinyan herself suffers from not being electro or cryo

[sour oracle]

Didn't I just say to stop trolling?

[shrewd crescent]

If Kuki's icd was real good you could potentially make a good ol overload team that gives good healing and damage thanks to that disgusting passive

[sour oracle]

[ionic yew]

i mean

[shrewd crescent]

Doesn't matter much in EC but Ol is the main focus in my example so I ignore it

[ionic yew]

her ult also seems to have pretty good scaling

nvm

i saw the lvl 15 ones

[shrewd crescent]

[ionic yew]

73%

thats like

[shut horizon]

So how good is kuki

[ionic yew]

21k not considering crit

[main bay]

Well its a shame about kuki. But for my own peace of mind im just gonna pretend she doesnt exist and move on to the next leaks

Cant win em all

[tawdry bone]

Funny how sheets assumed the Q was 14 hits and people were malding because it was so shit. And the only change Kuki got is the total damage showing it was only 12 hits all along

[ionic yew]

she can do like

70k if her build is near perfect

with set bonus she might do like

84 k

[tough trout]

what artifact and set tho?

[tawdry bone]

70k? Did you forget to calculate enemy defense?

[ionic yew]

thats if you manage to get her to 30 k

[ionic yew]

no, since thats a variable

it depends on the enemy

so i dont bother

[pastel brook]

[tawdry bone]

[ionic yew]

eosf

[main bay]

🤦‍♂️

Nah its too early ✌️

[ionic yew]

with a 30% multiplier

[deft atlas]

wtf is happening there

[gray kernel]

Honestly Bennett sucks cuz he can't shield tbh

[tough trout]

💀

[small turtle]

[gray kernel]

hi Akane

[shrewd crescent]

Just use jade cutter

[small turtle]

hello

[small turtle]

this is so sad

[ionic yew]

omg jade sheilding confirmed :0

[shrewd crescent]

Shield irrelevant

We heal tank in this universe

[ionic yew]

it was a joke

the entire interaction was

[tough trout]

[shrewd crescent]

Exactly

[tough trout]

anyways

[shrewd crescent]

But who needs shields when you can heal tank.

[crimson oasis]

Another week of no kuki changes, I've officially given up hoping on kuki

[ionic yew]

i love women

[tough trout]

same

[ionic yew]

i love the kitty

[tough trout]

what

[ionic yew]

its a meme please

im not weird

no dont ban me

[tawdry bone]

is that really all in the beta?

[ionic yew]

you should

her 1.6 k healing is op

[tawdry bone]

As someone who doesn't care about at all about Yelan, 2.7 is gonna be painful

I hope 2.8 is poggers, because holy shit it's so dry

[ivory shoal]

did she get buffed

oh

well shame

[tough trout]

maybe they will fix kuki later since 2.7 is delayed a bit

[ionic yew]

or they just dont care about her

he might 💀

[mental stag]

appearently 2.8 is just Heizou nd full rerun patch

[tawdry bone]

it does nearly the same amount

[crimson oasis]

bc she's 4 star mhy does not care

[ionic yew]

and it doesnt eat 30% of your health

[shrewd crescent]

If he's 4. Star it's time for me to make my horrifyingly accurate prediction

[mental stag]

but they cared for Yunjin

[tawdry bone]

she's from Liyue

[spare plume]

Liyue nuff said

[mental stag]

thats the thing

[ionic yew]

notice how every imazuman 4 star was bad

[tough trout]

i hope kazuha is 2.7 🙏 or someone good

[ionic yew]

itto maybe

[tawdry bone]

Gorou is op tho

[ionic yew]

he works in one team

nothing else