kuki-theorycrafting

[subtle finch]

[lament cargo]

romany does it for every character 😔

[main bay]

Ur also dropping SC on a razor driven team

[wraith harbor]

where

require link

[subtle finch]

ticket is in kqm

[subtle finch]

yeah may as well just be using diona for shield heals and sc or zhongli for shield and omni shred

kuki provide nothing

[lunar zealot]

Her E shield overrides the C2 Shield. You could slap a lot of ER on Xinyan and/or give her Inazuman craftable Claymore, in order to view her as a shield bot AND funnel her particle into someone else, but if you do that, you are looking to Q then E, then you will override her c2 shield with a (almost always) weaker shield from her E.
Then, lets talk about getting a shield from e. The combo of low range + auto targeting on an enemy + small step toward hit (despite the skill being aoe around her) makes it stupidely hard to get higher value shield from E, basically relyong on c2.
The flames on her max level shield cant be built around (or is too hard to build around to be good design). the fact it needs you to build def to last because it only lasts if shield is up is waaay to restrictive, can't build EM for occasional overload shenanigan, building ER is a double pain because not only you tank less with your shield, but it also means you have less reliance on your flame pulses. Can't build damages on that. So, in short, the flames are only playable around in a very DEF heavy build, then they are only here to apply some pyro aura at low range.

The 2 first points especially are the reasons I am seeing Xinyan kit as dysfunctional. the 1st point is a real joke

so painful

[wraith harbor]

[torpid oak]

Isn't Xinyan meant to be a Phys DPS/Burst DPS though? Why the focus on the shield?

[lunar zealot]

focus or not, does it seem functional to you that the E shield overrides the higher level c2 one?

that's the question tbh

[torpid oak]

I mean, I don't think it matters that much tbh. It's kinda lame, but I don't think that one thing makes her entire kit a horrible mess

[lunar zealot]

you need to get value out of the shield to get value out of xinyan, it's a big part of her power budget

[torpid oak]

Is it though?

[lunar zealot]

you just can't ignore it, or you should play someone else tbh

[torpid oak]

Why can't I ignore it? I can just build her Phys and do my damage via Normal Attacks & her Burst, it provides nothing of great value to that kind of playstyle

[lunar zealot]

I mean, you can 36* abyss with amber and barbara, it doesn't mean they are strong units

[torpid oak]

That's not what I'm asking, you said Xinyan's shield is important to her kit. I'm asking, "why?"

[lunar zealot]

so yes, you can just ignore Xinyan's shield and play her full physical, but dont look toward Eula's direction

[subtle finch]

I don't understand why it matters that the C2 shield gets overriden by the E shield? You are supposed to do EQ anyway

why are you doing QE

[lunar zealot]

no you are supposed to do that to either funnel her own particles, or bcz it overrides, not theother way around

for instance, with inazuman craftable with high refinement

[subtle finch]

you are supposed to do EQ

why are you using the inazuman craftable

its shit

why is a shit weapon your example

[lunar zealot]

you could QE and funnel to someone else, but u cant

[subtle finch]

use favonious

she's guaranteed to crit

why arent you using favonious?

[wraith harbor]

yea lmao

[lunar zealot]

its bad bcecause it doesnt work while it should

[subtle finch]

...?

what

[wraith harbor]

elaborate brother

[lunar zealot]

and you are not even discussing the main topic

you are avoiding what hurts

is it functional design?

thats the questiion

[torpid oak]

Yes

[subtle finch]

the inazuma craftable is a shit weapon because it gives an extremely overkill amount of energy that you do not need without any other utility and is bugged to not even work off field like it says

when you could just use favonious for a significantly better ER weapon

and for damage builds its outclassed by every other 4 star option

theres no reason to be using that thing

[wraith harbor]

and its energy for the whole team

[subtle finch]

^

[wraith harbor]

instead of just the one person

and its white particles too

[subtle finch]

you can use favonious and get a ton of energy on her, more energy for the whole team, and thats without requiring any artifact dedication because her burst always crits

[wraith harbor]

you gimping yourself into this hole by using the craftable it looks

[subtle finch]

thus leaving your artifats to build defense for a stronger shield

[lunar zealot]

you are doing here exactly what you pointed out here. you are avoiding the argument going against your stance

[subtle finch]

How?

[wraith harbor]

If c2 overrides your standard E shield, then don't use it like that simple

[subtle finch]

I literally responded directly to all of your arguments

[wraith harbor]

that just sounds like basic decision making

[subtle finch]

even if it didnt override you wouldnt use E after Q

thats silly

[wraith harbor]

yea lmao

[lunar zealot]

by not looking at if the fact her E overrides the c2 shield is or not dysfunctional, but instead attacking the reason i even looked at this behavior in the first place

[heady flower]

Okay wait not to butt in here but this is the first I’ve heard of amenoma being bad. I use it on Ayaka

[lunar zealot]

you are not replying to the point but going to otherside points not directly related to the main topic which is, sorry to remind u, whether her kit is dysfunctional or not

[subtle finch]

the claymore

[heady flower]

Sh-should I be using something else?

[heady flower]

Ooooh I didn’t even know there was one

[subtle finch]

why did you bring up all the other points if you only wanted a response to one of them?

[wraith harbor]

how is it dysfunctional in the first place

that's like saying shenhe c1 is dysfunctional because quills gets replaced

when that was

never the purpose of said cons

[lunar zealot]

i dont want to only talk about one point, it's you who only talk about inazuman craftable i dont know why

i talk about:

1. e overrides c2

[subtle finch]

...because you brought it up?

this is ridiculous

[lunar zealot]

2. e too much of a pain to get high level shields

[subtle finch]

i'm not gonna continue this conversation if you are going to bring up points and then complain when I reply to them

[lunar zealot]

3. flame pulses being almost unusable

u talk to me about inazuman craftable

[subtle finch]

...since when

[subtle finch]

because you brought it up lmfao

[lunar zealot]

and then instead of talking about the main point, you are like "lol this weapon sucks, end"

[subtle finch]

wtf are you talking about

[torpid oak]

E overriding C2 makes perfect sense though, it says in her talent description that it forms a shield when used, so of course it would make a new one

[lunar zealot]

other shield overlap

in this game

so, no

[tiny sedge]

Use E before Q on Xinyan it buff her physical damage I thought to make burst more stronger

[torpid oak]

Literally where?

Name a shield that overlaps

[subtle finch]

you cant have two of the same type of shield of any other type of shield in this game

[wraith harbor]

pray tell what character created shield stacks with itself that is not thoma

[lunar zealot]

zhongli and cristallize

[subtle finch]

you can have overlapping shields of different types

but not two of the same type

[lunar zealot]

for instance

both get damaged

[subtle finch]

thats because those are two different types of shields

you cant have two zhongli shields

[lunar zealot]

yup indeed

[subtle finch]

you cant have two diona shields

you can have zhongli shield and diona shield

[lunar zealot]

what tells u diona 's shields dont overlap?

[subtle finch]

you can have xinyan shield and diona shield

[lunar zealot]

how you know?

you cant

[subtle finch]

because I literally just finished recoding xinyan diona rotations for the guide

and it doesnt overlap

no shields of the same type do that

That's not a Xinyan exclusive thing

[lunar zealot]

how do you know 2 diona shield with sac dont overlap?

[tiny sedge]

Shield it does not stack , use Sacrificial Diona for energy not for 2x shield strength 🙃

[subtle finch]

^

[lunar zealot]

both take damages simultaneously

[subtle finch]

you dont get two diona shield.

you get a new shield replacing the first one

[lunar zealot]

then, is it normal?

[wraith harbor]

yes

[lunar zealot]

lets say its true

[subtle finch]

thats normal yes

[tiny sedge]

Yes so it is exact the same as Xinyan

[lunar zealot]

is it normal?

[subtle finch]

yes it is normal

[lunar zealot]

should it work this way

[subtle finch]

because its how all shields function

[torpid oak]

Are you suggesting that everyone else is wrong and just hasn't noticed that shields of the same type overlap because they take damage & break at the same time?

[lunar zealot]

not "does it work this way" but "should it"

[wraith harbor]

yes

[subtle finch]

It should yes

[tiny sedge]

When you have two type of shield they both take damage

[lunar zealot]

you long press e with diona sac, then short press e, do you think it is normal to have the low duration one only?

bcz i dont think so

[subtle finch]

huh?

[stone jacinth]

It should, proactive healing is busted in any game

[subtle finch]

thats not what I said

[tiny sedge]

It is normal because that is how the game is designed

[wraith harbor]

yes

[tiny sedge]

[wraith harbor]

because that's on you

the player

for doing that

[subtle finch]

You get the duration of the 2nd shield

not the first one

[wraith harbor]

and now you know

not to continue doing that

[torpid oak]

Hate to break it to you, but we didn't design this game, either way, it's not a knock on Xinyan if she follows the rules of the game designers like every other character

[subtle finch]

gaining a new shield of the same type replaces the first one

[lunar zealot]

exactly what i said

[tiny sedge]

What is the point for this conversation

[lunar zealot]

the discussion is not about what is in the game, but is it sound design

[subtle finch]

it was originally about xinyan being dysfunctional therefore dont expect kuki buffs or something like that

[wraith harbor]

who knows

[lunar zealot]

hate to break it to you

[subtle finch]

why are we talking about genshin impact if we arent talking about whats in genshin impact

[tiny sedge]

Complaining just about the design of shields in the game...?

[subtle finch]

thats not a conversation im interested in partaking in

[torpid oak]

You're the one who called Xinyan's shield dysfunctional when it literally functions normally according to the rules of the game, hate to break it to you

[lunar zealot]

we are talking about what is in the game, then talking whether it is sound design, and you guys are forgetting the 2nd part

which is inherent to the judgement whether xinyan is dysfunctional or not

[subtle finch]

I'm not interested in having a conversation on if we think the way shields work in genshin impact is sound design or not

[tiny sedge]

She is not dysfunctional

[subtle finch]

That's a completely different goalpost than what I thought we were talking about

[torpid oak]

No it isn't. If Xinyan's shield works like literally every other shield in the game, it is not dysfunctional

[subtle finch]

^

[tiny sedge]

Kuki is still can get buffs. Is the argument that Xinyan is bad so Kuki can also be bad ?

[subtle finch]

I thought the argument was because Xinyan is a 4 star released "dysfunctional" then kuki will probably be the same

[lunar zealot]

by dysfunctional, I was not refering as "not following Genshin rule", but rather "not working to achieve her goals"

[subtle finch]

but she does achieve her goals

[tiny sedge]

I think if you try other weapon and press E - Q she will do better for you

[lunar zealot]

overriding bigger shields is self sabootage

[tiny sedge]

Do not override your own shield

[lunar zealot]

the fact you can do it

is stupid

[tiny sedge]

You can play bad or good if you like

[stone jacinth]

That's the same thing as doing a hold E into press E on Diona, so Diona is also disfunctional now?

[subtle finch]

then that's shields in genshin being dysfunctional, not Xinyan specifically

becuase thats not a thing exclusive to xinyan

[lunar zealot]

xinyan is the only one that can suffer from it

[torpid oak]

It's not on Genshin if you overwrite your own shield, that's on you

[tiny sedge]

Diona can suffer from it if you play bad

[wraith harbor]

You have no one to blame but yourself for continuing to use XY like that

[subtle finch]

exactly why are we doing that in the first place

[wraith harbor]

There's no reason to

[tiny sedge]

Press E before Q so it self funnel her energy and she also get increase physical damage bonus

It keep her shield as strong version

[subtle finch]

and pressing E before Q gets her Q the phys shred and damage bonus and funnels her particles to herself which are all things you want

[lunar zealot]

i know how self funneling works thanks, i do it as well. but other characters can choose to sacrifice their regen to funnel to someone else

xinyan cant bcz she also pays a big part of her shield

doing so

[subtle finch]

she still can funnel to someone else

just use E, then swap to other character

then us Q later

[lunar zealot]

then you are paying with a lower tier shield

[subtle finch]

^for a very short period of time

[tiny sedge]

it is one second to funnel energy only

[subtle finch]

the way I described gets you overall more shield uptime

[lunar zealot]

if you think it's ok, good for you

underestimated the level of copium ppl could be on

[tiny sedge]

It is okay if play it well

[subtle finch]

please dont make comments like this

They do not contribute to a healthy conversation

[tiny sedge]

It is TC and can try to help make play more optimal

[lunar zealot]

to me you are closing your eyes to bad game design and working around it instead of pointing it out

[torpid oak]

This whole conversation started with you not thinking to try and work around the issue & just complaining that it was dysfunctional though

[lunar zealot]

bcz you want to believe the character is ok

[tiny sedge]

Again it is game design not character

[torpid oak]

The character is okay though

[lunar zealot]

isnt that the definition of copium? real question

[subtle finch]

I've no reason to dive deep into what I think is good and bad game design

[tiny sedge]

[torpid oak]

What's the point? Are you gonna contact Hoyoverse's CEO and demand they change it yourself? It's pointless

[lunar zealot]

then dont be surprised if others call your character dysfunctional

bcz other may and are allowed to do it

[tiny sedge]

You are only one here saying it...

[subtle finch]

again everything you described is the game being dysfunctional, by what you consider dysfunctional

not the character

Xinyan did not invent the way shields work in genshin impact

[rose tiger]

so by this logic, is diona dysfunctional if the same thing can happen to her?

[lunar zealot]

a character working properly is tied to the game around it working properly

[subtle finch]

[lunar zealot]

if every heal in the game was dysfunctional, then every healer would be as well

[torpid oak]

@rose tiger It was actually brought up yes

[lunar zealot]

they would not achieve their goal

[rose tiger]

[subtle finch]

but xinyan does achieve her goal

[tiny sedge]

Xinyan achieve it

[lunar zealot]

at a lower extent, she shield, but in this scenario she shields less

[subtle finch]

[tiny sedge]

She can shield more if you wanted to funnel energy like you said...

[lunar zealot]

are we in a loop

[subtle finch]

yes

there is no reason for her to be shielding less unless you are not playing optimally

[stone jacinth]

Doesn't look dysfunctional huh

[lunar zealot]

it's simple, you dont wanna judge whether a design is good or bad, and thats the whole point i am bringing, it's stalemate

no discussion

[tiny sedge]

You just say she is bad design but it is not

[lunar zealot]

oh boy, or we can go looping again

[subtle finch]

I agree it doesn't look like we really have any discussion to be had here

Because you're going into overall game design which isn't what I was interested in discussing to begin with

I was discussing the character specifically

[torpid oak]

It's because you have a really strange bar for what is considered "dysfunctional", using a shield again to overwrite an old one makes perfect sense, imagine if you couldn't overwrite Zhongli's shield, so you were stuck with the weaker one

[lunar zealot]

these are different shields, from different characters, it's not even in the topic

as i said, shields from different sources stack, they are all damaged simultaneously

[torpid oak]

Whatever

I'm done here

[stone jacinth]

Shield overwriting is not a Xinyan issue

It's the game's

[lunar zealot]

indeed

[stone jacinth]

Same thing applies for Diona and she's still functional

[lunar zealot]

then it is also xinyans

(my opinion)

u dont agree, fine, got it

[stone jacinth]

Then again Diona is dysfunctional by that definition

[lunar zealot]

indeed

but she doesnt suffer from it

in any build

[subtle finch]

wouldnt every shielder suffer if it worked the way you suggest tho

[lunar zealot]

why would anyone suffer?

I only suggest to make shields from the same source stack, like every shields from different sources

why would any shielder suffer from it

[subtle finch]

I see

how would that even be depicted visually

[lunar zealot]

it wouldnt, just display the higher level of every kind of shield

there is no sidegrade atm

with diona and xinyan

only weaker and stronger versions

[stone jacinth]

They could make it like Thoma

[lunar zealot]

thoma stacks his shield, he only has one shield at any time tbh, it's different

[wraith harbor]

because that's his design

[lunar zealot]

indeed

[main bay]

Shields from different sources dont actually stack

They all take damage when hit

[lunar zealot]

yes thats what i said

[stone jacinth]

I mean it's basically the same thing, you stack shield from the same source

[lunar zealot]

they dont stack in the way they add to eeach other value, they stack in the way they all exist at the same time

i dont know how to say it differently, thought i was clear about it

[stone jacinth]

It's getting technical at this point

[main bay]

But if two shields from same source exist at the same time but all take damage when hit. Its basically just one shield

[lunar zealot]

yes

thats how it should work imo

[main bay]

I jumped it late so if missed something apologies

[lunar zealot]

to keep stronger versions of a shield if a weaker version of the same one is applied after

[main bay]

Oh so u talking about going from hold to tap on diona

[lunar zealot]

but thats not how it works, applying a weaker version, overrides the previous version, even if it is a stronger one (giving you the quick summary)

[main bay]

Or Q to E on xinyan

[lunar zealot]

exactly

[main bay]

Yea i suppose thats very true. though I personally havent had an issue with it in game

[lunar zealot]

Xinyan is the only character with you could have a benefit, doing it, but the fact it isnt allowed doesnt open the possibility to exploit such a behavior, explaining why ppl dont have issue with it

they dont use it in the first place

bcz it doesnt work

[frosty jewel]

can we use kuki xinyan overload team

[tiny sedge]

I don't know with those two which will trigger the overload which application is more. I know Kuki it is only every 3 second she can apply electro from E

[lucid ginkgo]

that's what theory crafting is... trying to work around problems and trying to make a character work with their inherent flaws or design choices. people found a use for kokomi after doomposting her

[lunar zealot]

i would agree if the problems were weaknesses and not flaws in the game design

[lucid ginkgo]

it is what it is ig lol, there's various problems with genshin's game design

[lunar zealot]

I mean, the guy with the Zhongli example gave a pretty good example working against himself tbh. If Zhongli's shield was overriden by a critallize shard, everyone would riot. But it isn't, because shields from different sources can coexist. So why were some of them defending the fact shields from the same source can't coexist. It's the exact same problem, but at a very lower scope, on 1 unit that almost nobody cares about. And the difference is far smaller between a lvl1 xinyan shield and a lvl 3 one than between a Zhongli one and a cristallize shard

I don't like just watching what is in game and saying "it is what we have so it is ok". that's not the way to go forward and clear problems

[glad harness]

problem with xinyan is her shield is too easy to break, even with DEF build. you will lose pyro application without shield

if any electro want to trigger overload reliably, just pair them with xiangling, maybe add kazuha on top.

[tiny sedge]

Oh that make sense it is relying on shield. Xiangling, Kazuha, or Sunfire is maybe most reliable as pyro application for Kuki, but I think it is not worth it

[cold pumice]

sunfire kuki, triple healer

but only the active character

[mental topaz]

I lost hope on Kuki

How long till beta ends?

[simple cypress]

And pyro infused Sayu

[glad harness]

sayu too! cant wait to try sayu

[simple cypress]

Klee also has a too much pyro problem that could work
But like you said.. not sure if all these are worth it

[lunar zealot]

overload has a bad streak of being a copium bait

maybe one day...

[idle hazel]

play xingqiu for quadruple healer team

i know nothing abt kuki, is she decent at all at replacing fischl in a beidou taser team?

[cold pumice]

shes probably better off replacing beidou

[idle hazel]

oh

hows her energy generation?

[cold pumice]

average

[idle hazel]

hm

is ayato ec good?

or even a bennett kazuha ayato team?

sorry if im just asking a ton of questions

[simple cypress]

If you have Bennett on the team, there's less need for Kuki

[lunar zealot]

it's hard for an ATK carry to not be good with bennett kazuha tbh

[idle hazel]

hm

[bronze heart]

I run Ayato with C6 Sucrose and Beidou and a C5 Fish (waiting on monthly shop) and I think the dmg output is great, although sometimes survival is an issue so I plan to replace Beidou with Shinobu. I don't know about the team at lower constas tho

[glad harness]

I reaaaly want another sub dps pyro. The only good one right now is xiangling

[idle hazel]

the point of me asking is that i dont have fischl 😐

very sad abt that

as an ayato puller

[lunar zealot]

tbh kuki will work there

she wont be great, but she should work

[bronze heart]

you can use her over Fish imo, sacrifice a bit of single target dmg and good battery for more survivability and a bit less battery

[glad harness]

Shinobu is good replacement for beidou. don't worry.

[idle hazel]

who are you talking to?

[glad harness]

oh, to prime

[idle hazel]

oh ok

didnt understand

what are her best teams that yall know of now?

[glad harness]

So far taser and overload have most potential. Maybe some phys team too.

[bronze heart]

more time spent farming for me

[idle hazel]

taser would be fischl xingqiu/koko and sucrose right?

[glad harness]

yes that's the basic setup

[idle hazel]

ok

[lunar zealot]

her best teams right now would be taser imo, but with double hydro rather than double electro. in double electro, 1 of the 2 electro units benefiting from having more particles of its type is Shinobu, and right now her ult is not worth building around

[idle hazel]

hm

how much does she heal?

oh

[lunar zealot]

her heal is not gated by energy

so it's kinda wasted to give her that much energy

she is a low to middle tier healer

[idle hazel]

oh damn

so shes like dedicated healer?

hp/hp/hb

also thanks for helping me out im clueless

ah...

[glad harness]

I really agree with double hydro there. allows you to run something like xingqiu ayato to get rid of the hydro chars energy problem too. Kuki may need c4 if you want better electro application

[lunar zealot]

she shouldnt be a dedicated healer, with her ult being a burst that only contributes in damages she should also be a burst, but that's where her kit goes south. Her ult doesnt deal enough right now

[idle hazel]

another bad inazuma 4*

😦

they gotta share some love with her from yelan

nerf yelan buff kuki 💪 💪

[tiny sedge]

I am surprised Kuki kit it is so simple. Recent characters have so much mechanics and utility

[idle hazel]

yeah

[tiny sedge]

I wish even if she have team heal to play on co op but not even that

[idle hazel]

i wish she was just like fischl 2.0

like weve got a second sucrose, a second xingqiu, now all we need is a seccond xl and a second fischl and why cant that be kuki

[tiny sedge]

I think having second of character is boring

[glad harness]

yes second xiangling pls

[tiny sedge]

It is bad powercreep to me

[glad harness]

xiangling is the only good off field pyro dps right now... it makes me sad

[lunar zealot]

yae is the 2nd fischl

[idle hazel]

oh

right

i thought yae was second beidou

thats what ive heard

off field dps with energy problems yk

[glad harness]

it's funny to me that they literally copy xingqiu burst to yelan burst..

[tiny sedge]

Yae cannot battery for Beidou so well

[lunar zealot]

the off field dps part (the one that is fischl 2.0) doesnt have energy issue

[idle hazel]

LITERALLY

factoring in survivability is beidou or kuki taser better?

ik it depends a ton on content but in general

if you can give a rough estimate

[tiny sedge]

Maybe survive is better with Kuki but have interruption resist and shield it is helpful to have to not dodge and keep using normal attack

Beidou is also quick swap to her for counterattack strong hits

[lunar zealot]

what i find even funnier is that her c1 mimics xingqiu's weapon, and her c2 is almost the same as xingqiu c6 (minus the energy sustain)

[idle hazel]

mimics xingqius wep?

[silk stirrup]

imagine if klee burst was off field...

[glad harness]

Beidou is best for dmg, and generally a xingqiu- c1 beidou combo is nearly immune to dmg, except corrosion. But if you want more comfortable runs, highly suggest sayu or kuki instead of beidou. I only notice a slight decrease in dmg when I replaced beidou for sayu, so that should be the case with kuki too.

[lunar zealot]

if you play her in a 20+ sec rotation teams, it allows her to double E with her Q cast each time you switch her on, just like you double E with xingqiu Q thanks to his sac

[idle hazel]

oh oh im dumb i didnt see what you were responding to

i thought you meant kuki

[idle hazel]

just have an amber burst that follows you around for 10 seconds

that seems like it would be insane

[tiny sedge]

Sayu as heal in taser team, especially with Ayato team, work very strong as healer + she give VV and good sub dps in double swirl

Kuki it is worse alternative most of time 🙃

[idle hazel]

but kuki replaces the electro slot, replacing sucrose in taser is very dubious

imo

[lunar zealot]

imagine if Amber's ult was similar to Aldritch arrow rain in Dark Souls 3

omagad

[tiny sedge]

There are many taser option

[lunar zealot]

that would be so dope

[idle hazel]

imagine having played dark souls 3

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi/Barbara it is already comfort healing taser

[idle hazel]

kokomi

[glad harness]

my sayu replaces electro slot. Don't even need double electro honestly.

[tiny sedge]

And Kokomi I forgot 🙃 I do not have her

[idle hazel]

so your running double anemo taser?

[lunar zealot]

thats what i am doing as well tbh

[bronze heart]

how about the Radahn arrow rain nightmare

[tiny sedge]

If you do not need second electro for energy or damage it is fine

[glad harness]

yes. fischl is like a must to me so can't replace her. double anemo works fine. If I run kokomi instead of xingqiu I may even go kazuha /venti/ sucrose together for ultra cc

[tiny sedge]

But 2 VV it is not efficient

[lunar zealot]

in double anemo, sayu is allowed to slot in Clam, which is pretty stronk on her

[glad harness]

another anemo takes 4 instructor

[lunar zealot]

by pretty stronk I mean she is the best user of this set after qiqi

[glad harness]

or clam. sayu clam yes.

[idle hazel]

excuse

me

kokomi

[lunar zealot]

4 instructor wont give more damages than clam on sayu

[haughty mural]

coping for new EM artifacts in 3.0 or 1

[tiny sedge]

Sayu clam yes it is good also

[glad harness]

Aaaah I really realllly need EM artifacts! all we got are so many AtK%

at least as good as instructor pls.

[haughty mural]

exactly - they took gladiator and made 3 sets of ATK artis.....just need the same treatment with WT

[bronze heart]

we really got bombarded by ATK sets

[haughty mural]

if Dendro is EM- centered like we think, then sumeru would be the time to introduce them

[glad harness]

and we don't even have EM food or potions.

[lunar zealot]

Imagine a set similar than Emblem but with EM and the 4 set gives ATK% based on EM

[bronze heart]

good god

[lunar zealot]

telling you, i 'd build yae crit em em and put her in pyro team

overload wouldnt be a meme anymore

[bronze heart]

EM dps would blow up

[haughty mural]

MHY wants it, we want it, everyone wants it, they should do it

[lunar zealot]

most EM users dont scale well on ATK%

so it wouldnt be that broken

[plush mirage]

ol yae is pretty nice already

if you are interested to play it

[idle hazel]

sayu

[lunar zealot]

some who does, like xiangling, would have a hard time stacking EM to get value, bcz they also need dmg% and crit and ER

[idle hazel]

c6 sayu*

[glad harness]

I actually want something like... buffs the team based on EM like kazuha. Or increase reaction dmg based on EM

[haughty mural]

^ would be niiiice

[lunar zealot]

but then, no VV, no clam

i think that d be balanced

[idle hazel]

why would you run clam on sayu

that seems extremlysus

[lunar zealot]

this isnt

[glad harness]

you run clam on sayu in double anemo. she is good clam user

[lunar zealot]

sayu heals a ton if you have c1

and you can have ALL her healing go into clam bubbles

[idle hazel]

i feel like focusing on damage is better than doing healing

[lunar zealot]

clam allows to do the first by doing the 2nd

also, if you have c6, you focus on swirl damages and improve her healing with 1 stat

[tiny sedge]

Usually she is always build for EM even if not C6. Unless it is clam then use attack and Healing bonus

[idle hazel]

even with c6 and double anemo wouldnt smthn like 2pc wanderer 2pc vv be better or smthn?

[lunar zealot]

no

not even close tbh

[tiny sedge]

4pc VV give swirl damage increase

[idle hazel]

do you have any team sheets with clam sayu

oh right right that would just be better than wanderer nvm

[lunar zealot]

my sheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BKAIoJ120XEHvJ-fUD1GTTUKYoRXjzdkoq-TU07orDY/edit?usp=sharing

you can see a c6 sayu

[tiny sedge]

clam sayu is not so popular build because VV is most useful

[lunar zealot]

the clam set gives 81k physical aoe damages on ult alone

before physical resistance

[tiny sedge]

Best clam for Taser team usually is Qiqi if you have her instead

[lunar zealot]

2pc wanderer 2pc vv wont ever come close

[idle hazel]

81k?

[haughty mural]

doesn't it cap at 32k or somthing

[lunar zealot]

she stacks many bubbles

she heals over time

[idle hazel]

kokomi???

[lunar zealot]

kokomi needs to be on field attacking

[haughty mural]

oh you mean like... she will bubble a few times before ult ends

[idle hazel]

running a cryo in taser just seems like a complete waste

[tiny sedge]

No

[lunar zealot]

to use it as well as qiqi sayu

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi have Superconduct in taser which increase clam damage for lower physical resistance

[lunar zealot]

best users are qiqi sayu who dont even need to stay on the field

[tiny sedge]

She is also faster attack speed and can drive Fischl/Beidou better

[idle hazel]

ok the best user of clam is those but the best teammate with clam is kokomi no?

[lunar zealot]

oh nvm, did the sheet some time ago, the 81k damages is taking 10% physical res into account

:3

[tiny sedge]

Kokomi can make clam work well yes but I do not have sheets to compare taser options. Make sheets for EC is complicated

[lunar zealot]

imo, ppl tunnel vision too much on EC damages in EC comps. The main benefits of these comp is the anemo unit double swirls on hydro and electro doubling his swirl damages, making him more relevant in the damage chart. EC ownership is a pain and having EC procs from your EM unit should be seen as a welcome bonus

[haughty mural]

just build all characters with EM/EM/EM easy

[lunar zealot]

big brain move

[small turtle]

question about this sheet, is this KQM standarized or?

[lunar zealot]

no, I didnt ever hear about what is a KQM standard before doing it

[small turtle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_UpwP0VziHehZVwdsD74wYuWD9pdSAknNVzs30U4vFE/edit

[lunar zealot]

I just used my stats

I have in game, with my artefacts

so, the stats are not unreachable, thats all i can guarantee

AND and i just spotted a small mistake in my sheet that lowers her total clam value by a very small amount, it should be over 81k after i fix it.

the 81k rounded was fishy as the right combo should charge 3 bubble +1 healing tick alone in a 4th bubble, and the lone healing tick in the last bubble wont reach any healing cap, so it reaching a round number was fishy, and in my calculations, since i am maxing a bubble with 3 ticks, in the calculation this last healing tick is storing 10k heal in the last bubble, but in fact it stores a bit more, well whatever sry for the technical stuff)

[small turtle]

i would recommend putting a disclaimer in the sheets about it. People might interpret it as a actual Clam DMG sheet for sayu following the normalize standards

[lunar zealot]

hmm, i just did it for myself you know

he wanted a sheet showing what she can reach, thats why i shared it

and while it is not standardized, she can reach these numbers for sure

[small turtle]

i would still put a disclaimer inside the sheet for future purposes when sharing

[lucid ginkgo]

oh yeah, i agree with you. obviously we should speak out about certain problems or design flaws with certain characters, but it's already difficult as it is to even get mihoyo to buff/change characters

[fast rapids]

qiqi and koko clam are idp

[simple cypress]

I have a sayu clam sheet with kqmc standards that can verify clamyu is good

In case anyone is wondering

[fast rapids]

can you perhaps share

[simple cypress]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Jqdd9LPur-_T22x_rO7XIN8uVTmLc_mhUBRjil4df8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tiny sedge]

What is IDP meaning

[fast rapids]

!idp

[marble tundra]

Depends on character
Depends on weapon
Depends on move
Depends on target
Depends on moon phase
Depends on your astrological star sign

It Depends™️

[tiny sedge]

Thank you

[small turtle]

im disappointed in eula kuki

[subtle finch]

kuki just isnt good at anything

[shrewd crescent]

"Jack of all trades. Master of none."

Such an amazing theme amirite?

[cold pumice]

Jack of all trades implies they're decent at them all

just not fantastic

"functional at none" is closer

[shrewd crescent]

To Hoyoverse she is decent at them all bro trust

[subtle finch]

wack of all trades

[fringe river]

Can kuki use festering passive ??

[daring owl]

yes but why would you want that

[lament cargo]

Beta updates ?

[small turtle]

next monday

[lament cargo]

How long till beta ends

[daring owl]

like 3/4 weeks i think

[lament cargo]

I want 2.8 leaks 😔

[daring owl]

just show heizou

[tawdry bone]

this might legit be what saves kuki

i wouldn't be so sure of that

[lament cargo]

I'm not clicking on that spoiler

[lament cargo]

Unsure currently but it looks to be a strong option

[shrewd crescent]

It will be once they make her e damage scale off hp

[tawdry bone]

Uba will announce it any second now

[fringe river]

If use festering then get extra cr and damage bonus for e rite ?? What i wanna know is the passive go with e first casting or e all the way 13sec ??

[small turtle]

all the way to 12 seconds as her DoT is considered skill dmg

[fringe river]

If its only the first damage when casting e then its bad

[small turtle]

but festering is kinda not into play with her entire kit as her E has a low mv's of both ATK scaling

[small turtle]

yes

[fringe river]

Ow so full 12 sec gonna effect e with festering ??

If so im gonna use festering i guess

[stuck breach]

The dmg from her E is super low dude

Even running the cinnabug blade is better

[fringe river]

Im using husk em/elec/cr or hp/elec/cr

Owowowow

What about jade cutter ??

[small turtle]

if you are using husk, cinnabar might be the closes one you can use

[fringe river]

Ey waitt not husk

What is xhongli artifact

[stuck breach]

Clam?

[small turtle]

and for 5*, if you are really dedicated to her entirely even though PJC might yield more DMG

[stuck breach]

Tom

Tom is zhongli

[small turtle]

but entirely, i would just stick a 4* weapon on her

[fringe river]

That 4 set give 20 attack something

Per e tick

[stuck breach]

Tenacity of millelith, tom

[fringe river]

Oh yeah lol i mean tom

[stuck breach]

Giving her jade cutter is a waste but the weapon could be fine

[fringe river]

So hp/em/hb or er/hp/hb good ??

What cookie ??

[stuck breach]

Kukki

Kuki*

[small turtle]

puffy

i finished the eula sheet

still needs checking

[fringe river]

Lol yeah

[stuck breach]

Either hb or crit depending on if you like her burst or not

[fringe river]

Or hp/hp/hp for burst ??

[lunar zealot]

Kuki with a PJC is a Cookie Cutter

[fringe river]

Ummm cookie cutter

[small turtle]

ill dm it to you

[stuck breach]

If you hate her burst, id run clam set with hp hp hb or tom with em em em/hb

Hb is on circlet

Not the water bucket

Replaces crit or hp

[jolly mural]

healing bonus

[fringe river]

Healing bonus

[stuck breach]

Healing bonus

[small turtle]

speaking of clam kuki

[stuck breach]

...

[fringe river]

If that so hmmmmmmm

4 tom, hp/hp/hb sacrificial

Seems boring

[stuck breach]

Imo use em with tom

[fringe river]

Ow why em

[stuck breach]

Especially if you dont run her with geo carries

Tom gives 20% hp already, its fine to get some dmg elsewhere. Check the sheet youll see

[fringe river]

What sheet

[stuck breach]

And with bh circlet you are already healing enough

[fringe river]

I guess wanna give her full healing and buff team only

[tawdry bone]

pins

[fringe river]

These was my plan with er maybe change to em/hp, hmmm guess im gonna try other build too

[lament cargo]

[lament cargo]

[static crypt]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

If we talkin' aboout kuki as healer, can we stack 2 maiden 2 clam?

[tawdry bone]

sure

[small turtle]

if healer, 4 maidens will be the way

[static crypt]

Well, you're not wrong, since maiden's 4 set can be activated once every 10 secs, and while kuki's E last for 12 secs

[small turtle]

you can check the pins for the healing mastersheet

for more

as well as the weapons used

[static crypt]

Thank you very much

Huh, the heal difference between 4 clam and 4 maiden is not that much?

[tawdry bone]

kuki buff when?

[daring owl]

monday

[static crypt]

what buff do you expect? Like at what aspect, if I may know?

[tawdry bone]

i just want her to both heal and battery. maybe just 100% 1 particle gen per every E hit

[tawdry bone]

multiplier buff at most tbh

[static crypt]

if i'm not wrong, her gen particle for now is around 4-5 particles per E?

[tawdry bone]

yes

[daring owl]

45% every tick so 3.6 particles at c0

[tawdry bone]

yeah but it's not enough for battery purposes

[daring owl]

ye especially when you can't really funnel them but you can use favonius easily because she does barely any damage anyways

[static crypt]

ah, since C2 extend the E by 3s, we can expect 4.x or something?

[daring owl]

4.5 ye

but it's gonna be so inconsistent with only 45% proc rate

[static crypt]

but again, fav really depends on crit or not, so it is kinda sudden swap for funneling?

[plush mirage]

Fav can't proc off field

So you will proc it when you do your multi hit q

[static crypt]

wait, you can't??

[tawdry bone]

C2 E:
1 particle: 2%
2 particles: 7.6
3 particles: 16.6
4 particles: 23.8
5 particles: 23.4
6 particles: 15.9
7 particles: 7.4
8 particles: 2.2

does em really bring a lot to the table for kukis healing?

since its a flat increase im wondering how good itd really be for her skill

[lament stirrup]

I would just invest more in her HP than EM tbh

[tardy halo]

So whats the overunder on what SET we should farm for Kuki? Is it really 4 piece ToM?

[small turtle]

aight chat

[lament stirrup]

ToM should be good for most cases

unless you are running Taser Ig

[tardy halo]

Yeah so about that. I plan on running her with Ayato Zhongli Venti (or Kazuha when he comes back)

[crimson oasis]

ToM has basically 100% uptime so yeah it's really good

There is an argument for clam somewhere out there, but it's not a solid argument

Noblesse also works if you can't be arsed farming ToM and don't have noblesse in the party already

Simple

[tardy halo]

Im already farming ToM domain for Yelan's 2 piece and more Eula gear so might as well

[crimson oasis]

it doesn't

[tardy halo]

I mean, i'll run my Eula team if i KNOW im going to run into heroic/large enemies that cant be pulled

But overworld it should work perfectly fine

[crimson oasis]

Swap out zhongli for yunjin or fischl I guess

Kuki heals enough to not bring a shield

[tardy halo]

I know, i just like running Zhongli so i can literally not pay attention in overworld

[crimson oasis]

Oh if it's an overworld team it's whatever

Overworld can run 4x aloy and get away with it

[tardy halo]

Abyss i have plenty of teams i can run for whatever gets thrown at me. I just like having most people built if/when i want to play or need them

[unreal gate]

Is there a TLDR of what kuki does? and how she stacks up to other 4 stars

[tawdry bone]

hp scaling electro healer

not good for dmg

but Bennett also does those but better

[lament stirrup]

Kuki is better with Eula than Bennett, take that

[hollow cairn]

i was planning on usin kuki w eula ya

eula raiden kuki rosaria

for that double resonance

[small turtle]

About that...

[hollow cairn]

wait what

[small turtle]

Yeah...

Im still getting it checked

[hollow cairn]

bro can u explain im confused

[tawdry bone]

no idea either

[small turtle]

Superconduct eula

With kuki

Ranges to 35k iirc

Ill check on it tomorrow after i wake up

[tawdry bone]

death flag

delet

[hollow cairn]

im not that concerned w numbers i just like to see blue and purple numbers go boom boom

but with eula i actually like to go raiden xingqiu diona, for some extra reactions + a shield

also blue and purple numbers go boom

but i wanna try kuki instead to shake things up

[idle turret]

Sooooo how's a support build looking? Fav + 4totm?

[tawdry bone]

ye

[idle turret]

Sadge

[tawdry bone]

maidens also ok for healing ig

[idle turret]

My favonius sword sitting in my inventory like "everyone wants me carnally" (JOKE)

[tardy halo]

If you get C2 i think you have 100% uptime on TOM, so meh for dmg support, but healing is meh at the same time.

I have yet to ever level a Fav sword

[tiny sedge]

Fav its good for support always but if want to do shorter rotation , can use Sacrificial sword if it is r3

[granite lotus]

any idea if Kuki will work well with Ayato in an electro charged team?

sorry if this question has been asked before new to the converation

[tardy halo]

She should do quite well if you dont have Raiden.

[lament stirrup]

if Ayato then why not Fischl?

[tardy halo]

Kuki will have more uptime than Fischl at C2, plus does healing as well as electro applicaiton

[lament stirrup]

Agree on the healing part. Tho wouldn’t Fischl have 100% uptime as well with E + Q?

[tardy halo]

Requires putting stuff into energy regen, Kuki can keep her E up 100% at C2 with 0 regen

Fischl does give you the free escape button with her Q though, which has it benefits.

[green dagger]

wait, what sword are we even running on Kuki?

[tawdry bone]

fav

festering if u wanna look cool af

[tardy halo]

You can run Iron Sting (crafted) which would go better imo

[green dagger]

okay, i'm kinda confused now

[tardy halo]

Favonius gives her only energy regen, which at C2 she doesn't need to have 100% uptime on her Electro Application and heal.

If you want to run her pure dmg you can run Lions Roar, for more raw electro dmg, Iron Sting for more reaction dmg.
Amenoma gives her atk% and regen, but her skills are based on her max hp so atk gives her less than the elemental mastery dmg from Iron Sting.

Technically PJC is her best weapon because of the 20% HP bonus it gives, but nobody is going to use that on her when it fits a main DPS more.

If you have a pure shield Zhongli with decent subs, you can just lift/shift his entire gear set over to Kuki and she'll be great.

At C2 she has 100% uptime on E
At C4 she becomes a F2P Healer Raiden

[midnight sapphire]

isn't pjc her best in slot?

on what does her healing scale on?

[tardy halo]

Healing scales on Elemental Mastery

[tardy halo]

Yes it is, but how many people will run PJC on her instead of a main dps?

Optimistically you want 4 piece ToM, hp%/hp%/HB with a mix of crit/critdmg/EM on your subs

[green dagger]

I dont know if thats how it works tho
Sure, EM gives HB, but building straight HB should still be better

but like, do we know how her passive works?
it should be a flat bonus right?

[tardy halo]

Im not sure tbh, but even if its flat, unless your running her to use her burst on CD (energy regen) then EM as a weapon substat would be the better choice over atk.

I only have one PJC and its 100% staying on Ayato. The DPS loss moving it to Shinobu is nowhere near what she could make up.

PJC > Freedom Sworn >Festering Desire/ Iron Sting

Throw Dark Iron Sword in there for lulz

[green dagger]

we have no HP sword yet?

[tardy halo]

The only one is PJC

[green dagger]

feels bad man

[tardy halo]

they could juke us and have the Sumeru crafted sword be HP%

[green dagger]

yeah, I guess Iron Sting its probably the best bet since her Q doesnt seems very worth it tbh

[tardy halo]

I pretty much never plan on using it, just keeping the elecro ring up Taser Ayato

[green dagger]

she is just a ToTM bot for now?

[tardy halo]

Pretty much imo

If you already run someone with TOM on your team, you can instead run 2Tom 2Maiden for more heals

Im going to run her with Zhongli in overworld so i might end up doing 2 maiden

[green dagger]

I dont even have a 4pc ToTM set yet

[tardy halo]

I think i have 2-3 i could scrounge together from farming for Yelan

[tawdry bone]

it doesnt even give hb

its a flat increase

90 iron sting increases ur heal by like 124hp

hp mainstat increases by like 258

[noble elbow]

i would give her pjc in a heartbeat despite having keqing

[tawdry bone]

thats bc its keqing

[tardy halo]

Ayato and Ayaka would have my head if i gave it to her.

Ayato has my PJC, Ayaka will be getting Mistsplitter in a couple weeks.

[subtle finch]

where buffs

[wooden sundial]

Imagine MHY nerfs Kuki and buffs Yelan again

[torpid oak]

Monday

[noble elbow]

we all know it but you didn't have to say it

[small turtle]

Tomorrow chat

[lament cargo]

[cold pumice]

[torpid oak]

[tropic jacinth]

Is kuki good?

[tawdry bone]

no

[tiny sedge]

she is bad

[tropic jacinth]

[fierce echo]

is there any idea of kukis role in most of her teams or is she kinda erratic at the moment

[tardy halo]

She works with Ayato for Taser, not as well as Beidou.

[rigid hazel]

Kukipium

[tardy halo]

She has better passive healing than qiqi, but pretty much everything else is worse than established characters

cant decide if she wants to heal or dps. but am i going to play her regardless, you fukin becha

[rigid hazel]

Her healing better than qiqi?

[tardy halo]

her E yes, but its nowhere near qiqi's Q

[rigid hazel]

How much does she heal each tick?

[tardy halo]

assuming no constelations and no tags from qiqi

[rigid hazel]

Im gonna build and play her anw, Im a friendship main

[tardy halo]

same, im at 28 lvl 10's

[real trench]

i have all my units at friendship 10
just waiting for new ones to come home

so what comps do kuki work in?

[static crypt]

[rigid hazel]

itto, eula, electro charge

[alpine dock]

31 hours from now just about

[tardy halo]

I didn't start friendship farming for a while after and i pretty much always do 3-4 friendship ppl on a team plus everyone in the teapot. Having the teapot broken and not being able to put Ayato in there is killing me

[real trench]

coop with your SO
ez exp farm

[main bay]

Take him into co-oop domains

My friend does this and he has a namecard months before me

[real trench]

i do coop commissions and resin for friendship farming

[main bay]

I literally just got yaes yesterday after using her every day since her release

[tardy halo]

I had Yae's a couple weeks ago

[main bay]

Yea perfect illustration of the difference

Mine is from resin and teapot only

No farming no coop

[real trench]

that way you dont have to build them properly
my SO just use her lvl 20 char to do dailies now since im done with mine

[main bay]

U do ur dailies together thats cute

[tardy halo]

I do mine with my SO sometimes, but we do resin more often then dailies

espeically now since we are both farming for Yelan and Kuki

[main bay]

I used to do more coop, but they really need to make coop more robust

And now i feel they’ve given up on it

[tardy halo]

coop is too support dependant vs being able to face tank everything with Zhongli alone

[main bay]

For me its that coop doesnt have many activities and isnt that rewarding

[tardy halo]

spend resin, kill bosses, steal rocks

[main bay]

Lol i have farmed a rock since@ 1.4

Amber has been pulling daily double shifts at the mines for almost two years

She sacrifices her health so i dont have to break rocks

[tardy halo]

I never have enough rocks

I only have 1100 enhance crystals and 3 weapons to build

12 technically need to go from 80 to 90, and 2 that aren't out yet

aka whale problems

[glossy reef]

So many leaks/posts about Yelan and yet nothing about Shinobu

This is absurd

[noble elbow]

people saw yelan's pits and jumped ship

[rose tiger]

kuki got outsold by hydro karen

[main bay]

Tbh kuki has not much to talk about

I think people were/are quite excited about her design

But her kit doesnt open up anything new like yunjin or gorou did

At least a prima facie

[wooden sundial]

Hard to discuss Kuki when her kit is so bad right now that no comp is worth talking about

Also inherent in her kit being so bad is that it's very likely MHY will change it drastically

But they have so many levers to tweak we don't know how they'd change it

So everybody's kinda just waiting on the buff

[stone jacinth]

Has anyone done the comparison on
Raiden Yae Cookie Kazuha
Raiden Yae Sara Jean

[cold pumice]

Akane made one for the first one

Came out to like 43K

Azure has the second somewhere in his sheet

Something like 37K from memory

But Akanes had Kagura Verity

[stone jacinth]

That's better than I thought

[small turtle]

its still STC, we still dont have frame counts on her but i am assuming on the video both her E and Q takes 1 second

[subtle finch]

Buffs tomorrow?

[alpine dock]

25 hours or so hopefully

[frank goblet]

1 particle regen every e bonk soon

[shrewd crescent]

Hp scaling on E

Soon pls

[small turtle]

rework a4

[shrewd crescent]

Remove it

Remove all traces of em

The "Kuki is originally dendro" conspiracies are getting to me

[shrewd crescent]

Grassfield
Green hair
DoT attacks similar to dendro slime
EM for stupid reasons.
And the fact that she uses an Urumi
Either she was originally dendro or Collei is her relative and they'll synergise very well together or I'm on too much copium. Or she studied in Sumeru too

[young mesa]

All of the above

[shrewd crescent]

Plot twist: she ends up being Collei's bis support

[small turtle]

[shrewd crescent]

Or Cyno's bis support

[subtle finch]

Imagine that 100% chance to make 1 particle every 1.5s

Would make the rest of her kit almost forgivable

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

10 particles in 15s would be

[deep dune]

Can't read wall of text
Explain shinobu supporting capability in razor language

[subtle finch]

That’d be about equal to Fischls PPM assuming 100% Oz uptime I think

[subtle finch]

Doesn’t exist

[gaunt pivot]

bad

[subtle finch]

Shinobu do nothing good

[deep dune]

Huh

So she is just a pure healer with some damage?

[subtle finch]

She’s an electro healer with triple split scaling, average particle generation, bad electro application, awful damage, and mediocre healing, and no buffs or debuffs

[deep dune]

So she is just there

[subtle finch]

They made her underwhelming she literally everything

We are hoping for buffs tomorrow

Coping*

[young mesa]

[deep dune]

I was hoping she would reduce some electro resistance or something

[small turtle]

[lament cargo]

Her best role is being eye candy

[young mesa]

particle gen buff or smt like that?

[shrewd crescent]

Jack of all trades

Thats my excuse

[young mesa]

amber powercreep

[subtle finch]

Wack of all trades

[small turtle]

rework her a4
give her some shredding at least

[subtle finch]

Jack it all trades implies being good at everything but not the best at any

[shrewd crescent]

Shreds based on em

[subtle finch]

She’s good at nothing

[deep dune]

I mean shogun out candies her in that regard

[shrewd crescent]

Not in Hoyoverse's eyes

[lament cargo]

😔

[young mesa]

[vapid nest]

depends on your type

[shrewd crescent]

"Don't worry players, you can put Shinobu in any team cause she's a jack of all trades"

[gaunt pivot]

didn't specify what type of shred, shreds enemy's healing

[small turtle]

[shrewd crescent]

The ultimate buff

[young mesa]

"Is she better than Qiqi"

[deep dune]

That's if anyone is willing to trade

[shrewd crescent]

Just make her kunai be able to hit 1 opponent multiple times like Darkbolt Jonin

[deep dune]

Qiqi can heal better and Cryo is just better element than electro

[shrewd crescent]

Turns her 4 hit string into 7/8

Good for phys

[young mesa]

her attack animation is really cool tho

[small turtle]

the n3

sheesh

[young mesa]

do we have frame data? maybe she can drive

[shrewd crescent]

That's why it's a scam for her kunai to hit once only

[shrewd crescent]

She can drive my disappointment into levels never before seen.

[young mesa]

[shrewd crescent]

I knew I'd get Thoma'd again the moment I saw her role

[small turtle]

her n3 hits only once i believe

[deep dune]

So getting shinobu is like losing 50/50 for 4 star

[lament cargo]

And then the same will happen to cyno

[small turtle]

idk if its aoe

[vapid nest]

whats her scalings?

[young mesa]

dude he already dead

[gaunt pivot]

if she doesn't receive buffs tomorrow can we change the thread name to kuki-doomcrafting?

[shrewd crescent]

Darkbolt Jonin hits 4 times. Just make Shinobu the same. Borrow a page from Honkai

[deep dune]

Yes

[shrewd crescent]

I hope Childe is the only playable Harbinger and every one else gets Signora'd

I know Dottore won't

[rare abyss]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/shinobu/?lang=FR

[shrewd crescent]

He'll be the Dr Eggman of Genshin

[gaunt pivot]

atk/hp/em

[rare abyss]

don't forget to change the language

[shrewd crescent]

[deep dune]

No not Scaramouche he did nothing wrong

[shrewd crescent]

His existence is wrong

[lament cargo]

Not possible who tf are they gonna run in snez as banner . It's not my fault you brought this on yourself

[shrewd crescent]

[rare abyss]

looks at teppei

[deep dune]

Your mom said the same about you last night

[lament cargo]

Who ?

[shrewd crescent]

Ana, Bronya. That's all they need

[small turtle]

timmy, the 0th harbinger of course

[gaunt pivot]

after everyone gets Signora'd, she gets revived

[shrewd crescent]

The hell is that? All I know is irrelevant dumb character

[lament cargo]

[rare abyss]

bruh 🗿

[shrewd crescent]

Signora and Childe. Only playable

[lament cargo]

🧐

[deep dune]

Some sacrifices are necessary for character development

[small turtle]

i roll for timmy

[shrewd crescent]

Pulincella will be Cryo Ayato/Owl from honkai I can feel it

[small turtle]

so i can get free fowl

[rare abyss]

i must admit your point is right

[shrewd crescent]

Play as timmy and kill pigeons in front of Timmy

[young mesa]

At least she has a passive for expeditions

[lament cargo]

so it's not gonna happen cuz your predictions are always wrong

[shrewd crescent]

His character development will devolve into him being a sadistic Tsundere in his story quest

[small turtle]

not worth it for inazume expeditions

no rocks

[spare torrent]

Childe's only playable 'cause he's gonna betray the Tsaritsa.

[small turtle]

[lament cargo]

Wait she does

[shrewd crescent]

Every prediction I've made for characters has been correct

Why do you think Kuki is the way she is

[young mesa]

i didn't notice that

[deep dune]

We need rocks in Inazuma

[lament cargo]

So you doomed yourself then

[shrewd crescent]

Mora tho

[shrewd crescent]

And now I doom Pulincella

[small turtle]

i have 25mil mora

[rare abyss]

yeah i'm tired of mining them with my claymore users

[small turtle]

i dont need more

i need rocks

[young mesa]

I mean

[shrewd crescent]

Go mining

[spare torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-need-gif-21451408

[young mesa]

it could be another "double the product on healing food

[deep dune]

Use Zhongli

Or razor

[shrewd crescent]

Just give me Kevin or Siegfried in Genshin and I'll forgive the disgrace that is Kuki

[rare abyss]

if only i had one

[spare torrent]

Razor is still a Claymore user.

[deep dune]

Or your hammar

[deep dune]

Yeah but his skill can ....

[spare torrent]

But yeah, Zhongli's insane for mining ore.

[deep dune]

Just buy mihoyo and gift yourself a Zhongli

I mean hoyoverse

[young mesa]

i used Razor to mine b4 zhongli and my only issue was dying to electrocharge

[shrewd crescent]

Varka aka Siegfried will be first claymore character that swings claymore as if its nothing (like HoF) cause he's Anemo and he uses Wind for light sword

His whole motif will be boosting atk speed through anemo

[deep dune]

I was hoping he is Pyro

[keen sinew]

we can dream

[small turtle]

i was the same

[spare torrent]

Um. C6 Itto says "hi."

[shrewd crescent]

I was hoping he's skinny so I can laugh more

[small turtle]

that one spot in liyue

[shrewd crescent]

Who?

[vapid nest]

ayato - kuki - sucrose - mona is good?

[young mesa]

so u telling me his burst pulls up a second claymore

actually not noodle arms

[shrewd crescent]

His burst pulls up a claymore over his claymore and he swings it for mega nuke

https://tenor.com/view/herrscher-herrscher-kiana-herrscher-of-flamescion-flamescion-herrscher-of-flames-gif-22123792

[deep dune]

I don't know how I feel about the head of 'knights' using a claymore

[subtle finch]

Razor is immune to Ec

[vapid nest]

isnt this just eula but you have to work for it to hit

[shrewd crescent]

You right. Catalyst is better. He makes Anemo claymores with it

[lament cargo]

Er modcheck

[shrewd crescent]

It's Eula but anemo in Varka's case

[deep dune]

So he's physical?

[vapid nest]

I doubt that would be a problem as long as sucrose and mona are built good though

does kuki need a lot of er?

[lament cargo]

Doesn't mona need tons of er

[lament cargo]

Her particle gen is mid

[vapid nest]

do you not build your mona with 250 er>>

[shrewd crescent]

No he's anemo catalyst that uses anemo to shape wind into claymore in the form of E stance change

[vapid nest]

like the rest of us mona eosf havers

[shrewd crescent]

He's a catalyst with Claymore stats

[lament cargo]

I don't have mona 🧐

[subtle finch]

Yes

[shrewd crescent]

We're supposed to?

[subtle finch]

Shouldn’t need too much with Ayato

[deep dune]

So same issues as childe E

[vapid nest]

Dont think so, but it's what I have

[shrewd crescent]

Think Ayato

[vapid nest]

with decent cr and cdmg anyways

mona with er is a no brainer

its as if you say doesnt hu tao need em?

[shrewd crescent]

He boosts his E stance atk speed with Em cause he's anemo and I said so

[vapid nest]

oh rip, how would you know the team has er problems then?

[deep dune]

I don't think I will main him

[vapid nest]

if kuki is self sustainable

[shrewd crescent]

Boooo

[vapid nest]

and if sucrose and mona is built right its good