kuki-theorycrafting

[hollow river]

who have ass parti gen for batterying

like kuki is an electro supp but doesnt rly seem viable as a battery for beidou as an example

[vocal tulip]

it's simply the issue of newer supports being hardlocked into a single role

[hollow river]

bring back diona level 4*s

[main bay]

Single role isnt always bad. But just be undisputed in that role at least

[vocal tulip]

well yeah, just sucks that benny covers pretty much all support roles and goes toe to toe with the dedicated ones

[hollow river]

true it's also an issue of frame of reference and need too

cuz like Yelan could be way worse than XQ (she isnt but just as an example) and she'd still be valuable cuz of the need for more high hydro app hydro supports

and thoma's shield is actually on par with ZL pre-1.3 but 2 shield chars isnt really a need in the game and he seems super underwhelming from ZL as a frame of reference for a shielder

while i think kuki will be pretty well-received even if she isnt buffed or not that good just cuz there's no existing frame of reference for an electro healer besides amber lisa

still doesnt mean i wouldnt like it if she got a fairly mundane qol buff to her parti gen or like stagger resist or smthn

[vocal tulip]

she'll end up like thoma

as in there are better alternatives

and she doesn't have a particular thing that makes her standout

[hollow river]

I mean I think she's on the same level of Kokomi tbh

good as a fischl alternative in sucrose driver that also uses ToM and heals

she also is a great fav user and low investment for full value

[vocal tulip]

honestly it depends how you look at it:
kokomi can help set up vapes
In a taser comp replacing fischl, she obviously does less off field damage and fischl can also use tenacity. Healing seems to be the only thing she has over fischl
Fischl can also use fav while being an innately good battery

[hollow river]

using koko for vape argument is strange

cuz that just isnt true

[vocal tulip]

how so?

[hollow river]

she doesnt apply enough hydro

[vocal tulip]

icd tho

[cerulean mesa]

well I know that she can apply enough for xl's burst, if she's on field

[hollow river]

so can barbara and mona and childe and ayato and xq

she does do it a bit easier than mona and barbara

[vocal tulip]

koko can also use thrilling tales

[hollow river]

ye but she isnt a good fav user while kuki is

i think its a fine trade off there

[vocal tulip]

fav on kuki just seems lacklustre imo

[hollow river]

as opposed to?

[vocal tulip]

using a typical battery

[hollow river]

ok but she still uses fav well lol

thats like saying koko having access to ttds is lacklustre because other units have access to it

[vocal tulip]

yeah and no since the mainstat is core to her kit

[lunar badge]

I think it's about the region. iirc liyue chars would always want stagger resistance (zhongli sheild) so it could also be that most inazuma character have ER issues and then it should be done with sumeru

same thing with mond chars. most of them have small AoE so venti's CC is so good for them

[main bay]

Its a clever way to keep people pulling

If i get new sumeru dps, that doesnt synergize with my inazuma teams, i might be inclined to pull sumeru supports

[plush mirage]

Kuki particle generation is normal

It's just fischl getting the 1.0 broken 4* treatment

[tiny sedge]

it is my temporary kuki build but it is not good, but her stats really is not that important ? She is just need tenacity set

Maybe will level sacrificial sword more to 80 or 90 for better damage and ER

[tawdry bone]

shenhe?

[final fjord]

Hmmm weird question
Can I do Taser team with Kuki and Beidou?

[tiny sedge]

I think it may be more energy issue than taser with Fischl, because Kuki is less energy. Maybe will want Favonius Kuki to help

It will also be low damage compare to Fischl

[final fjord]

OoO
Tbh I kinda don't know how to play without healer so
I was thinking to play beidou , kuki 🤣

[runic matrix]

from some early calcs it will probably be pretty decent tho

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is easy to play team have healer in taser, compare to a Sucrose taser alternative

[runic matrix]

the particle get wasn't that much worse compared to fischl

[tiny sedge]

I like Qiqi as taser but Kuki can be okay

Also easy as Kuki follow you character instead of recast Oz

[final fjord]

How about Raiden C6 + Kuki (kinda taser) ?

[runic matrix]

you will get more dmg with fischl, specially c6 but if the issue is energy it's fine

[tiny sedge]

Better team for Raiden then Kuki 🙃

[final fjord]

Ahh

[tiny sedge]

I will try Ayato Kuki taser

[final fjord]

That's the taser that I want to know TvT

[tiny sedge]

Oh I think Ayato Kuki Beidou Kazuha/Sucrose can be okay

Current team is usually Ayato, Fischl, Sara/Beidou, Sayu/Jean

Maybe it is possible to have Ayato Kuki Fischl, but no Beidou is lose lots of damage and Aoe

[final fjord]

This is the team I want to do

[tiny sedge]

Depend on your Beidou ER , may want to do ER calculator for it later. Favonius sword on Kuki is probably need

[final fjord]

Ah ha oki dokie

[final fjord]

If Favonius , should I do
HP - HP - CR ?

[tiny sedge]

If want to focus heal, have more HP, damage have Electro goblet . I think HP/Electro/Crit it is best. HP help her heal and burst damage

[final fjord]

Also what artifact set should I do

[tiny sedge]

Most popular it is tenacity set for attack buff to team, and 20% HP effect in 2piece is also help her heal/damage

Some other do clam also but maybe will not be able to have strong bubble with no healing bonus in circlet, because want crit for favonius

[final fjord]

Yeah

I'll do tenacity set for now

[tiny sedge]

Mine too this is what mine is for now

[final fjord]

WOWWWW
That's POGGGGG

[tiny sedge]

😅 Can improve it more but do not like to farm Tenacity domain

[final fjord]

I'll do the same like u

[tiny sedge]

Mostly is just healer, not invest too much in her artifacts

[final fjord]

Tenacity hates me the most in my acc

[tiny sedge]

Mine got high crit rate in substat, so maybe can do crit rate circlet if you cannot get it good

[final fjord]

Yeah

At first I was thinking to use jade cutter because of that HP

[tiny sedge]

Jade cutter it is good too

If you do not think Beidou need so much ER, jade cutter is help your damage more

[final fjord]

But seems like she needs favonius because of energy 🤔

[tiny sedge]

Favonius is not for Kuki own energy, but only to help Beidou

Kuki burst is weak and only 60 energy

[final fjord]

Hmmm my Beidou is only 144 ER (still farm Emblem )

[tiny sedge]

Oh okay, then yes will likely need more for it. Emblem usually try to have 150 ER

[final fjord]

Yeah

Also thank you so so much for explaining me ♡ @tiny sedge

[tiny sedge]

You're welcome

[stray turtle]

how much CR/CD does kuki need? or completely focus hp?

[lean wing]

ToM kuki best kuki?

[tiny sedge]

CR enough if want Favonius, focus 1-2 ratio if want damage . Focus HP/Healing bonus only if want to use Clam set

Tenacity it is strong because Kuki is always have uptime in the attack buff and HP help her heal also

[stray turtle]

isnt tenecity better?

ow late reply from me xD

[tiny sedge]

it is depending in team, if team want the attack buff, or maybe if Eula team with Superconduct from Kuki, use Clam and physical resistance lower so clam can do high damage

there is comparison sheet in pin for damage and also healing sheet

[stray turtle]

question.. kuki seems to lose her own HP like Hu tao.. so to heal her do i must b several sec on field with kuki? or her burst heals her?

or she doesnt need that?

[silent stratus]

Kuki healing as strong as whom so far?

[tiny sedge]

Yes she lose her own HP form use the skill, and if she has low HP, the healing to other teammate is better and also it improve damage for her Q

Do not need long time to heal herself if you need, just use E -> Q , her heal tick it is every 1.5 second so it is fast

Her heal it is good enough, don't need to focus all stat into heals. But she is only heal 1 active character only and can not heal in co op

[stray turtle]

i see

ty

[tiny sedge]

[wraith laurel]

Has any beta testers tested kuki's kunais against multiple enemies? Does it hit multiple enemies or only 1?

[tiny sedge]

In video of Kuki fight the Mitachurl it only hit one time, but not sure when fight multiple enemy if it is aoe attack

[high bone]

So,kuki shinobu lv 90 full em with ayato.....will electro charge be good?

[tiny sedge]

It can be okay, but I do not think to advise it . Electro charge reaction is not consistent ownership that Kuki is who is activate it, also Kuki is have standard ICD only for every 2 hit she will make reaction. There is known issue for electro-charge reaction also

[high bone]

Okkk...understood

[tiny sedge]

Taser team it is okay to do with Ayato, but EM build it is hard to be consistent

[lunar zealot]

If you hope to deal decent EC damages in an EC/Taser team, you are setting yourself to get disappointed

[tiny sedge]

Hi puffy

[plush mirage]

first we need to wait if 2.7 will actually "fix" ec

[tiny sedge]

Kuki is electro heal and Tenacity that is all 🙃

[high bone]

How much does her heal range from?

[tiny sedge]

There it a heal sheet in the pins

[high bone]

Okk..lemme check

[tiny sedge]

[tawdry bone]

we still coping today lads?

[silk stirrup]

in what situation would kuki's burst be useful?

shield breaking?

[serene sonnet]

Kuki seems to be decent in taser comp for casual player

[serene sonnet]

I think she brings comfort for players without kokomi in those comp

[tiny sedge]

It can break shield but also Electro it is not best element for any shield 🙃 Hydro shield want Cryo, Electro shield want Pyro, Pyro shield want Hydro

[high bone]

Will ayato beidou kuki sucrose be better or ayato fischl kuki sucrose?

[subtle finch]

[serene sonnet]

Highly depends on single target or AoE situation

[subtle finch]

Buffs?

[silk stirrup]

no

[subtle finch]

[tiny sedge]

It depend on enemy also ,but there is not sheets for it yet. Beidou will need more ER than when she usually with Fischl. If use Kuki and Fischl, it is lose a lot of damage aoe

[silk stirrup]

what buffs would you like to see

[tiny sedge]

Kazuha is maybe better over Sucrose if have him

Only other buff it is TTDS from Sucrose, EM share, and a Tenacity from Kuki ?

[silk stirrup]

has anyone considered freedom sworn kuki btw?

[tiny sedge]

Maybe not need archive because there is no team sheets

[tiny sedge]

She is good freedom sworn character yes

[high bone]

Has anybody calculated how many hits or how many unit of electro does kuki apply for shield breaking?

[silk stirrup]

should request ubatcha for that or something

[tiny sedge]

I don't think we know how many units electro it is

[calm ice]

Not gonna lie, kuki kinda copium rn

Buffs where

[frosty jewel]

I think her burst was 7 hits normally and 13 empowered?

[proud acorn]

So whats her sword options?Irong sting & alley flash?

[proud acorn]

Kinda very very curious why devs gave Yae and Kuki a passive that scales with EM

[frank goblet]

dendro reaction future proofing?! 😳

[unkempt ginkgo]

dendro leaks be like "reactions scale with EM"

[thorn badge]

kuki's swords of choice?

[fast rapids]

wasn't it 1u or am I feelscrafting

[silk stirrup]

i can't think of much honestly

i thought of freedom sworn but that's obv a limited weapon

favonius is the way probably

or even def builds for skill dmg with cinnabar spindle

[cerulean haven]

jade cutter for that 20% hp buff

[crimson oasis]

Fischl because kuki won't be enough to battery beidou

[high bone]

I see

[crimson oasis]

If you look at how often dendro has been mentioned in this chat, we're all coping dendro will make kuki actually decent

[unique sphinx]

Ya that's also what happened in the Yae chat back in the day

[frosty jewel]

Honestly, for miko i could call it cope since we had little "evidence" but same passive for the second time in a DoT ability makes me question it still

[mystic merlin]

I think the same. Also, the fact we're getting so many Electro and hydro units last patch, this patch and next one make me wonder some things.

[frank goblet]

hp buffers and em relevant mechanics soon???

[hushed meadow]

[hollow cairn]

Hydro res should buff hp methinks

[hushed meadow]

Are you gonna do one for Yelan?

👀

Ouuu pretty

[tawdry bone]

Superconduct dmg buff when

[keen sinew]

Never lol. It's the worst reaction unless you are doing physical DMG but still value is meh

[tawdry bone]

That's no way to cope

It's just around the corner. I can sense it

[keen sinew]

I'm just hoping they buff kuki if not I'm gonna be sad. I'm still gonna pull for her but like she does need some buffs

[frank goblet]

even better

shatter comp

[subtle finch]

No buffs?

[wraith harbor]

nope

[tawdry bone]

So far no reports of beta update

So there's still hope

0.6% chance of buffs

[tardy cosmos]

50/50 chance of buff going to yelan

[main bay]

Uba mentioned that there isnt a strict schedule for beta updates

[lament cargo]

even worse

[main bay]

Yea

One can still hope, but I genuinely dont think HYV gives a shit about the 4 stars they drop

[tawdry bone]

both 50% are Yelan tho

[main bay]

They probably working on sumeru kits

[tawdry bone]

This shit must be painful for all the people involved at mhy

Imagine doing all the work designing, modeling, animating, writing a character, voice acting

And then the last dude in the chain goes: "Yep, no kit, totm bot at most"

[lament cargo]

it's gotta feel awful

especially with how a lot of our EQ bots have nice AA animations

[paper swan]

what utility does shinobu provide other than healing?

[lament cargo]

like look at albedo's AA chain

and man just hits E and dips

[tawdry bone]

reliable totm bot

that's pretty much it

[tawdry bone]

Sure it's useless in abyss, but at least there's a reason to bring Albedo to co-op if you're into that.

But why would you bring Kuki to co-op if you're not griefing tho

[lament cargo]

😔

[tawdry bone]

Can't heal teammates, heal herself so she deals even less damage

[glossy reef]

Because my DPS Shinobu will dethrone Celestia

[tawdry bone]

Okay I figured it out

Her damage remains undetected

because she's a ninja

[glossy reef]

I see, so we just haven't seen her full kit yet!

She's hiding her true power from us

[tawdry bone]

Yes, she's just that good

[lament cargo]

Yo share some copium with the rest of us

[lament cargo]

[glossy reef]

Why did Mihoyo do this to Shinobu?

Did we Shinobu Wanters do something wrong?

[tawdry bone]

Maybe she will become a permanent free character or something later

[lament cargo]

maybe we didn't simp enough

[glossy reef]

Bro just me I'm carrying us then

I don't have Yelan funds, I have Shinobu funds

[lament cargo]

I want her to be good, I like her design

where's that daytime nighttime meme of her and yoi

[glossy reef]

Same, it's all I desire out of this next update. I just want good Shinobu

At least let her heal teammates in co-op so I can bring my super duper ultra decked Shinobu along

[tawdry bone]

same but hyv doesn't give a damn about inazuman 4*s

[lament cargo]

[tawdry bone]

It really is like half her kit her missing

Like, half of her kit is just Gorou C4

Where the fuck is the rest

[lament cargo]

hoyo scamming us 😔

[glossy reef]

We're gonna get to Sumeru and the first 4* is gonna be like "This character increases ATK based on 50% of their Max HP. At A4, they increase your ATK by a percentage based on 90% of your EM. Additionally, their burst will heal you for 75% of your ATK and 75% of your EM while also reducing the resistance of nearby enemies by 90%"

And then we're gonna have Kujou Sara over here like "I can buff electro, take it or leave it"

[tawdry bone]

Should have been a HP buffer or something

[tawdry bone]

pls god idc I just want Shinobu to be useful

[glossy reef]

Considering we ended up with Thoma,

I don't think Shinobu's gonna get buffed, guys

Unless the beta testers actively complain about it, I think we're SOL
I think it's time for substat optimizing

[lament cargo]

not with that attitude

[tawdry bone]

he's right tho

[little forge]

Hi! Any news about comps/artis?

[glossy reef]

Unless there's a Mihoyo Ninja here that wants to tell me I'm wrong

I know you're here Mihoyo Ninja

Please give us a sign

[little forge]

Last time I checked this place it was full of copium

[frosty jewel]

thoma was made with a team in mind, that means shinobu will have a great team that she fits reasonably well

[tawdry bone]

all of them suck

[tawdry bone]

which team

[frosty jewel]

we call it cope2000

[glossy reef]

I still don't fully understand why Thoma is bad, but I know he is

[lament cargo]

still is tbh,

[lament cargo]

she's a good totm enabler

[frosty jewel]

too much ER needs, too little utility outside of a shield

[tawdry bone]

I mean the team of thoma

[lament cargo]

and can slot into teams that want an electro aura and healer

[glossy reef]

The burst provides nothing?

[lament cargo]

that's about it though

😔

[frosty jewel]

VvTao

[tawdry bone]

mono pyro?

[little forge]

HP / Electro DMG / Crit or something else?

[tawdry bone]

It makes your team dps go down, so it provides that

Keeps the hillichurls safe

[frosty jewel]

the damage is very very very low if you want to fulfill both the ER% requirements and a decent shield

[frosty jewel]

Hu tao, Xq, Thoma, Sucrose/Kaz

[tawdry bone]

doesn't he steal vapes?

[little forge]

I saw some techs with him

[frosty jewel]

if you have c6 xingqiu he doesnt, if you dont have c6 xingqiu you just slap instructor on him

[little forge]

Where you want to trigger his collapses during the last wave(the one with the biggest amount of swords) of Xingqiu's swords

[frosty jewel]

to make use of the stolen vapes

[glossy reef]

Who's the best Inazuma 4*?

[frosty jewel]

in their niche or overall?

[tawdry bone]

Gorou and Sayu imho

[glossy reef]

Overall

[tawdry bone]

I'd argue gorou

[frosty jewel]

in terms of versatility, i think its Sayu. In their own niche it has to be gorou

[tawdry bone]

Gorou has tons of utility and the buffs very significant, and you barely even need to farm artifacts for him.

Sayu comps are very comfy and clear pretty fast

[little forge]

Tbh I appreciate every Inazuman 4* because I have a niche for each of them

[frosty jewel]

they are made with niches in mind

[little forge]

I would like to see a niche for Shinobu on my account but it seems like a difficult task now...

[frosty jewel]

probably will get a niche with dendro

[tawdry bone]

her niche is "electro healer"

[frosty jewel]

thats the only explanation i can think of

[little forge]

That's my main hope

[tawdry bone]

Maybe electro Shenhe will become a thing soon and Kuki will be saved

[frosty jewel]

because her whole kit seems to be centered around lots of electro hits

DoT on e, lots of hits on burst

[tawdry bone]

Never gonna happen because it would be ridiculous for Beidou and Lisa tho

Or even Keqing

[little forge]

It's weird that her burst has standard ICD

Why doesn't it work like Amber's one?

[frosty jewel]

they all could get a buff and be ok tbh

fischl would break it tho

anyway, i really think dendro electro will be centered around multiple consistent electro hits

[tawdry bone]

I honestly think it's gonna be something incredibly niche that no one really asked for and somehow still be bad at that thing

Like crystallize shields

But instead recovers like 5 stamina or something like that

They can't nerf it later without causing a shitstorm

So I wouldn't be surprised if they play it really safe

[wraith harbor]

amber burst has standard ICD too

[wraith harbor]

Shinobu's existence is practically built around Itto's (well more so Itto Gorou and your preference of a third geo) existence, is what I gather from her kit

[crimson umbra]

whats the consideration of running kuki as an electro bat healer for beidou/yae? sth like ayato kazuha kuki yae

[median sapphire]

Healer, yes, battery, no

[rigid hazel]

She is better than diona for itto?

[wraith harbor]

ion about that, but off field electro app that follows you around for crystallize procs and does some healing sounds like that's her purpose

[glossy reef]

Wait, doesn't that mean she'd be perfect for Yun Jin considering Yun Jin has that Crystallize-based constellation?

[wraith harbor]

I don't think you'd need to proc it that often for yun jin but idk

[tawdry bone]

that constellation effect lasts for 12 seconds not 3

[crimson oasis]

I don't think I have ever seen a sayu comp because most people slave to meta

[mental topaz]

Pyro Kuki viable?

[crimson oasis]

I don't see how you came to that conclusion really.. She has no synergy with geo

[mental topaz]

Kuki Yelan Bennett Sucrose

[crimson oasis]

What even is the point of that team

[mental topaz]

What is the point of any team lol

It’s a pyro Kuki team

[crimson oasis]

Okay but why

[mental topaz]

Why not

It’s viable is it not?

[crimson oasis]

We don't know because we don't know the frames of her NA

her modifiers look decent

[mental topaz]

It looks like she has some AoE on her NA

On that one hit

Her CA looks pretty big too

Not sure if it’s the biggest out of all the sword users in the game

[crimson oasis]

I haven't really paid attention to yelan but her ER reqs seem horrible

[mental topaz]

Then ig replace her with XQ

[wraith harbor]

Besides Crystalize, yea

But that's what I think went through hoyo's minds

[crimson oasis]

Right but that still requires you to run EM on a geo which you don't want to

And since she's scaling off EM somewhat, that's actually wasted

since she can't react off geo, since geo doesn't aura

[wraith harbor]

with Albedo you get em for 10s. I never said it'd be any good

And tbh with both forms of healing and shields you should be fine enough but who knows

[knotty crag]

Did I post shinobu gauge info?

or is it known ^

[wraith harbor]

I thought you had before umm

I think you only say it in here but I forgot

[subtle finch]

[sour oracle]

[unkempt nova]

[rose tiger]

[small turtle]

[knotty crag]

so do we know?

yes or no?

[wraith harbor]

[subtle finch]

you said she's 1u right?

[knotty crag]

oh I alr said?

[subtle finch]

on twitter you said

[wraith harbor]

Yea I thought it was 1u

[knotty crag]

A beta tester just tested again 😭

I didn't ask them to

but they did anyways

[subtle finch]

is it different

[small turtle]

what did they find?

[wraith harbor]

[subtle finch]

plz tell me its different finding

2u plz

[unkempt nova]

2u would be nice

[small turtle]

4u

im in high HOPIUM

[haughty dew]

Anything but 1u for Kuki would be great

[plush mirage]

why would you guys want high gauges

4u will be just like beidou stealing ec procs from sucrose

[subtle finch]

so that she can maintain aura

[plush mirage]

i rather her not steal ec tbh, and be the ol trigger on other teams

but that's fair enough for other team comp ideas

[marsh meteor]

i havent been following kuki tc recently, so whats her best build so far ideally (mainly ec team), can i just use triple hp ToM artifact on her?

she can share artifacts with zhongli so no need to spend more resin on her

[small turtle]

healing mastersheet

[hushed meadow]

Kuki

[alpine dock]

Monday crazy buffs. Trust

[keen sinew]

🧢

[woven locust]

[trim tundra]

Yelan: "guaranteed 4 particles seems fair"
Kuki: "best we can do is 45% for a particle take it or leave it"

[small turtle]

its now 45%

[grizzled elk]

Kuki in shambles

[hushed meadow]

[noble elbow]

nah they WANT her to be mid

and i won't stand for it

[alpine dock]

Monday big changes

[rose tiger]

[knotty crag]

oh sorry forgot to say, nah still exactly as before

[tardy cosmos]

@uba Has anyone tested kuki E + pyro catalyst on field to see if kuki can reliably trigger overload?

[shrewd crescent]

[little charm]

wait do we know if E is standard icd

so is everyone on copium for some changes

[noble elbow]

big copium

[little charm]

figured 😔

[noble elbow]

i haven't been on this much copium since i was waiting for shenhe buffs

[small turtle]

everything on her kit is standard icd iirc

[manic umbra]

How is kuki is she okay now

[small turtle]

from 40% rng to 45% rng

[manic umbra]

[small turtle]

3.6 particles if i am right

[grave wagon]

can sac sword fix this?

[small turtle]

her particle gen? i dont think so

only thing sac does is give her ER and allow her to consume a lot of hp for her Q

[rigid hazel]

How is kuki healing comparing to other char

Max healer build

[hushed meadow]

next monday

[unique sphinx]

Tbh all newer 5 stars are fine(even if they seem underwhelming at first they end up having a very strong niche) but all the new 4 stars that are not niche buffers just suck(except sayu)

[cloud ermine]

fax

[unique sphinx]

No Shinobu changes after more than a week is infuriating ngl...

Especially since she needs it the most

They just need to do ONLY ONE of these things to make her good enough:

Scale her E dmg with hp
Remove icd from her E
100% chance to generate 1 particle per E hit
Give active characters high resistance to interruption in her E
Make her Q buff the party or debuff the enemies

[hushed meadow]

😭 pls

i admire your dedication

[woven locust]

they will just make mid 4star so ppl wont compare them to 5star anymore

[spice sundial]

is her C4 considered elemental skill damage?

[spare torrent]

As far as we know.

[small turtle]

should be considered elem skill

[spice sundial]

maybe it helps with particle generation

[small turtle]

not really i assume

should be the same with fischl a4

i have like one sheet

i still need to fix it

ill just move it to my new template and input kazuha in

yae raiden kuki anemo/geo

[tawdry bone]

is kuki energy regen still not enough to battery beidou?

[daring owl]

i dont think so

45% every tick

[tawdry bone]

yeah maybe you can force it by building some ER on beidou but it gimps her dmg which is Sadge

[daring owl]

ye and just counter every time

[small turtle]

3.6 particle

[tawdry bone]

kuki shouldve just been defensive battery they made that happen with diona why can't they make that happen for kuki

[tardy cosmos]

45% energy every tick
45% damage every tick

[frank marsh]

Is it 45% every tick or everytime the E hits an enemy ?

Because if it's everytime the E hits an enemy then in multi target she would likely generate one particle per tick

If it's per tick this is meh

[cold pumice]

Its alway sper tick

[frank marsh]

According the last tweet from Ubatcha she has a CD of 0.2s for particle generation, it wouldn't make sens if she had 45% chance of generating particle every E tick

[cold pumice]

theres no ability that generates more particles if it hits more characters

Excetp Kaeya A4

sort of

[rare abyss]

remove the hp cost for her skill, revamp her A4 and cons,Make her generate more particles, buff her E skill dmg for HP only and not attack and she's good

[plain oasis]

With a cd of 0.2 it just means she can’t make particles more than once per tick so it is just 45% every e tick

[rare abyss]

[lucid ginkgo]

how viable would a physical dps kuki be? 😳

[frosty jewel]

Idk, i am building it regardless tho

Those basic attacks deserve use

[lucid ginkgo]

ikr, i wanna build her to be a physical dps just for those auto attack animations

[daring owl]

it probably won't be terrible her modifiers on her na are pretty decent

[lucid ginkgo]

pale flame should be decent on her as well with her e skill uptime, right?

[daring owl]

ye should have 100% uptime

[lucid ginkgo]

nice

[plain oasis]

E go spin and hit every now again, makes razor feel better. q go lots of zap like red bow girl

[tawdry bone]

pretty dope huh? 💀

[daring owl]

her e and q don't do good damage

and her normal attacks and charged attacks look okay but you need to build for it

her e scales of attack and her q scales of hp because mihoyo

well kokomi has consistent hydro application and much better healing

[plain oasis]

But with less integrated scaling to fix it

[cold pumice]

Also TTDS holder and again, shes hydro

[tawdry bone]

just make her have fischl energy regen i don't even care if they split scale the dmg just make her a healer that batteries

[daring owl]

kokomi can also use dragon slayer

[cold pumice]

Also shes hydro

[frosty jewel]

Yeah, electro diona would be very nice

[daring owl]

she's probably most similar to qiqi but electro and with worst healing

no

[frosty jewel]

God no

[daring owl]

her healing is decent

[frosty jewel]

Thats nightmare fuel to think about

[daring owl]

just not amazing either for what else she provides

[frosty jewel]

The problem with her healing is that it only heals active character so its kinda bad in coop

And kuki kills herself for it lol

For now, yeah

We are hoping for dendro tho

The em passive is the same as mikos on a dot ability

[daring owl]

hoping for dendro just like yae mains

[frosty jewel]

The same passive happening twice on electro DoT abilities is weird

[tawdry bone]

kuki could've filled a valuable niche. such potential gutted

[frosty jewel]

And electro is not EM dependent either

[tawdry bone]

pls buff my face mask queen

[frosty jewel]

Damage over time

[daring owl]

ye i was hoping with electro healer i could use her in EC team as second electro and replace jean/sayu for kazu but that doesn't seem worth it anymore

[frosty jewel]

Like, you press the ability and the damage of it is spread over time

[lucid ginkgo]

her and yae miko

[frosty jewel]

Miko's totems

[daring owl]

yae and kuki both have passive which increases their damage and healing for kuki based on EM

[frosty jewel]

Kuki's ring

[tawdry bone]

that's what i was trying to do, too replace jean for kuki and add kazuha but she can't battery beidou and even worse for yae

[frosty jewel]

Ascends with em :))))

So it would also benefit her

xd

Like, a dendro electro reaction that will be based off of em and give em at the same time is only thing i can think of

[daring owl]

we should see soon enough

like 11 more weeks or something

[tawdry bone]

[frank goblet]

uwu hewwo crafters

[rare abyss]

Never say that again

[frank goblet]

uwu

[cold pumice]

[frank goblet]

soru will stay here bc yelancrafters channel has weird people in it rn uvu

[idle turret]

Is the new particle gen info a buff, a nerf, or more of the same?

Just scrolled up... Looks like a hard nerf. Ouch.

#makeelectrogreatagain

Ok but why the fuck is mhy doing this stupid split scaling shit AGAIN

LIKE?????

Granted at least Kuki generates particles to begin with but it feels like a painful combination of Xinyan's issues with Yae's

[frank goblet]

you mean the split scale on kukis kit?

definitely couldn't do it </3

since juki split scales a little, what are the builds on her that people have thought about?

[tired berry]

I’ll do a physical and HP/healing build until we actually get confirmation about Dendro/Electro reactions

[crimson oasis]

Hold up did we get kuki changes?

[crimson oasis]

Check pinned comments

For a healbot, check Akane's otherwise check mine

@small turtle Hold up how did you get a 28k clam proc????

When I calced hp-hp-hp clam with a sac sword I got only 6k procs?

As long as you credit

[small turtle]

that is with 3 procs of clam

for the entire duration of C0 healing

[crimson oasis]

Ooooh

And you're implying hydro reso yeah

[small turtle]

im currently working on mono electro with kuki

is it fucking i put 10 dist subs on flat hp

cause im only using her as a Q bot anyway

[crimson oasis]

If I calc with hydro reso active in hp-hp-HB then I get 7.7k

Without it, it's 71.k

So that checks out with my calcs

Actually wait no it doesn't

[small turtle]

oh you dist your subs in EM

i dist sub mine to CDMG and CR

[crimson oasis]

EM > HP-flat for healing strength

[small turtle]

i disregared mine for this sheet

[crimson oasis]

With 10 in EM i get 7109, with 10 in hp-flat I get 7057

[small turtle]

i only did cr and cdmg on the mastersheet to balance it out and actually check if the EM bonus actually makes a difference, and it slightly did

[crimson oasis]

I still dunno how you got to 28k when I only get 23k

Did you include the 10% resistance?

That's atleast some difference, but then yours is still ahead by 3k

[small turtle]

on clam?

[crimson oasis]

Yea

[small turtle]

yeah i included the phys res

[crimson oasis]

Wth

[small turtle]

cause clam is phys dmg

only the phys res though

how many healing procs did you put on clam?

[crimson oasis]

2

[small turtle]

its 3

[crimson oasis]

It heals once every 1.5 secs

and clam lasts for 3.5 secs

[small turtle]

maxi sent a sheet about clam healing proc

[crimson oasis]

Oh wait maybe the first time you heal it spawns the clam

which then lasts for 3.5 secs

So the initial spawning trigger also gets counted?

Then yeah that would make it 3

[small turtle]

this one @crimson oasis

first tick of heal starts the clam

so first tick will be 0

next is 1.5

then 3.0

[crimson oasis]

I have no idea how to interpret that

[small turtle]

3 ticks

1st tick of healing = 0 seconds, clam passive activates
2nd tick of healing = 1.5 seconds, clam dmg increase
3rd tick of healing = 3.0 seconds, clam dmg increase

then pops

[crimson oasis]

Riiight

I didn't count the clam spawning trigger to also get included in the clam's stored healing

Then I get this on hp-hp-hb

[small turtle]

<50% in clam is with A1 right?

[crimson oasis]

Yes

Hah ignore hp-elec-crit, the lookup table was referring to hp-hp-hb

copy-paste error

It does 5.8k

No clue yet what really would be her best clam build though..

Whether to go for em-hp-hb, em-em-hb or em-elec-hb

[small turtle]

freedom hp/hp/hb put in yelan double hydro team

[crimson oasis]

imo em-hp-hb is definitely better than hp-hp-hb though

[small turtle]

wait did you calc the a4 healing as HB%?

[crimson oasis]

No

It's additive flat healing

[small turtle]

aight

[crimson oasis]

if it was HB% you'd see 17k healing ticks XD

[small turtle]

[crimson oasis]

Ironed out the reference issues but yeah these are which I calced

I might wanna add em-elec-hb to the mix

[small turtle]

EM should be the way when reactions mainly take place

[crimson oasis]

I mean, EM hardly heals less than HP and gets the flexibility of actually doing poggy reactions as well

[small turtle]

i dont want to assume EC she will be the one procing it

[crimson oasis]

Well she only applies 1U so she can actually proc EC and then sucrose as well

If my rudimentary understanding of gauge theory is correct

[small turtle]

a childe driver?

[patent timber]

how good is kuki's Er gen now?

[paper swan]

what utility does shinobu provide other than healing?

[crimson oasis]

Okay yeah nah EM-elec-crit is kinda bad

The E damage is simply not worth ever considering

[crimson oasis]

Her element. End.

[crimson oasis]

Poor

[small turtle]

how about the EM-EM-HB?

it looks solid imo in clam

[crimson oasis]

EM-EM-HB looks solid yes

That would be my go-to

If we don't see changes to the E dmg

[small turtle]

we get 4 overload on her Q if we do amber Q - kuki Q i am assuming

or even sunfire

[crimson oasis]

However idek if it's worth going clam

over TotM/Noblesse

[small turtle]

0.5 second overload icd iirc

[crimson oasis]

Is 8.8k extra clam procs every 3.5 secs really worth the party-wide 20% atk

[small turtle]

depends if the comp already has a buffer

[crimson oasis]

Yeah if anything maybe even xq would be the noblesse holder

[small turtle]

imma watch a sunfire video on how fast the pyro app is

[crimson oasis]

That E damage

[small turtle]

1.5 per pyro app

[frank goblet]

tf kuki zero downtime on her e?

[small turtle]

c2 already gives her 100% uptime

[green wave]

Is Kuki w iron sting still up in the air? I have one billet left and i wanna use it to r5 anemoma

[small turtle]

Probably best to save the billet for now

It aint going anywhere

[last flare]

bold of you to assume you'll get another sword billet before Sumeru drops ^_^

[green wave]

I only have it cause of the chasm 💔

[oak sorrel]

I'm assuming the answer is "no" but -- do we have a good sense of particle generation yet on Kuki? I'm actually really excited about them in a taser comp where she can generate particles and give some healing

[calm ice]

Imagine using billets

Saving my billets incase in we can craft the MC Sword in v10.0

[hexed jetty]

can shinobu be a yae battery

[lunar zealot]

Saving my billets in case we get some really good craftable weapon someday. I can't refine a current craftable one and have billets left. Well, no, let me say it again, I don't have enough billets to refine one of the current craftable weapon

[lunar zealot]

Kuki is electro, and as such, there is no reaction like vape/melt that asks you to get an ultimate on cooldwon (tho having it is fine, but building for it has build cost), so unless you play Yae with Raiden and you want the Resolve stacks, there is no incentive to have her ult on CD. And within a Raiden team, there is Raiden that batteries already

[oak sorrel]

I'm personally looking at taser but easy mode. e.g. Sucrose/Beidou/XQ/Kuki. If she can battery Beidou.

[shrewd crescent]

Give it to me straight people: how's Kuki with that Uba tweet

[hexed jetty]

i dont have raiden

[lunar zealot]

then why would you need a battery for Yae?

[lunar zealot]

I said sample size was not enough to infer a 66% particle proc rate when we only had a 10 sec video. I said I was not buying the 40% proc rate with only a 200 sample size and the fact Uba has to protect his testers by not giving accurate numbers. Now I am watching with popcorns to see if people here will do the same mistake a 3rd time tbh

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[knotty crag]

got 45% from actual data

not testing

[lunar zealot]

then that's different

[oak sorrel]

👀

[oak sorrel]

for people less technical about the game, what does that mean for her potential as a battery? e.g. how does it compare to someone like Fischl?

[lunar zealot]

well, then 45% it is. tbh that's kinda honest number if you look at the whole supporting cast. Only thing that actually makes it low is that the average electro character is cracked about particle generation

so she will suffer in comparison, AND it is kinda hard as well to predict particle generation with that kind of highly varying proc rate/rotation, but she is far from the 1st electro character in this situation

[tawdry bone]

I'd be much better if she just generated all particles at once

[lunar zealot]

that's always true, that makes them more reliable and funnelable

[tawdry bone]

Yes, it is a big deal

Fischl and Raiden make up for it through sheer volume, but this... ugh

[lunar zealot]

Yae is the middle ground, she has the reliability, 1 particle guaranteed per strikes/rotation, but not funnelable

[oak sorrel]

Oic. So legit it's just a percent change per hit to generate a partcile with Kuki?

[daring owl]

yes 45% every tick

[tawdry bone]

For comparison Fischl is 67% chance and attacks once per second

So in a 3 second period you would expect 0.9 particles from Kuki and 2 from Fischl

[oak sorrel]

Right. So this would be 45% still every tick which is 1/sec as well?

[tawdry bone]

1.5s

[oak sorrel]

oh, barf.

[daring owl]

at c0 it's 3.6 particles per skill on average at c2 4.5

[oak sorrel]

And by contrast with Fischl it would be on average 6.7 particles? Assuming 10sec Oz uptime (not C6) with the 67% chance and attacking 1/sec?

[tawdry bone]

Sort of?

Different durations, but both have pretty much permanent uptime

3.6 is for 12 seconds, so it would better compare with C6 Fischl

[oak sorrel]

right or even divide it out to a per second particle gen

e.g. fischl's is .67 particles a second on average vs .3 from Kuki's

[daring owl]

ye

[tawdry bone]

s

[oak sorrel]

Basically no matter how you slice it: Fischl is at least twice as good of a battery as Kuki.

[daring owl]

45% is so low it's easy to get fucked over as well

[oak sorrel]

Yeah this is tragic. Is there a world where that number is inaccurate? 👀

Copium

[daring owl]

if the data is wrong

[last flare]

imho, Kuki is a much more efficient Favonius user than Fishl, so there is that

fast-hitting abilities means you don't need that much Crit rate to proc Fav reliably

[oak sorrel]

fair, fair

[daring owl]

you also waste a lot of damage using favonius on fischl

[last flare]

but yeah, you have to improve Kuki's potential as a battery, whereas Fishl doesn't need anything

[tawdry bone]

I wonder if Kuki Q and Amber Q at the same time is doable

Autotargeting would fuck it up every time probably

But it would be hilarious

[little charm]

It wouldn't be anything crazy

[last flare]

mmmh, overload would bump the ennemies outside of the aoe anyway

unless it's a Ruin Guard or something

[main bay]

Plus icd

I dont think it will be the cluster bomb ur imagining

[simple cypress]

the first burst would practically be over by the time you switch

[shrewd crescent]

Hoyoverse back at it again

[tawdry bone]

[tiny sedge]

So it is confirm 45% only for particle, make a bad battery then, but better over Barbara / Qiqi energy at least

[tired berry]

Hoyoverse must’ve been lost between the concept of meta-breaking vs balanced

[ivory shoal]

I know she isn't particularly great atm, but can't she work pretty well in a scuffed ayato hyper team?

[tawdry bone]

Define scuffed

[ivory shoal]

Ayato, kuki, yunjin, kazoo

[tawdry bone]

That sounds like a very reasonable team

[inland magnet]

surely she can contribute to a cryo, cryo, eula, kuki team

[ivory shoal]

oh it does? phew

[tiny sedge]

Usually use Bennett if want heal in Ayato hyper, Kuki is not provide much buff to Ayato in it

If it is Eula team, she can be electro heal, but alternate exist already of Fischl/Raiden with Qiqi/Diona

[tawdry bone]

Well, you can go totm full healing with little worries, and the scarce electro application is a good thing so she doesn't compete with Kaz for electrocharge too much

[tiny sedge]

If want to use other character for second team like Fischl in Ayato or Raiden hyper it is good , or need Diona in Freeze team , then Kuki it is fine option I think

[ivory shoal]

it's mostly that I prefer healers for comfiness

[tiny sedge]

If want to save your Bennett in other team then I think Kuki is okay

Ayato hyper team usually Bennett Yun Jin Kazuha or Xingqiu Yun Jin Kazuha I think

[ivory shoal]

can xingqiu be replaced with kokmi?

[tawdry bone]

You're going to lose a ton of damage tho

Also two healers

[tiny sedge]

Hyper team is focus to buff one character

I think team is fine, and Kokomi probably have better utility over Kuki

She have hydro energy for Ayato with also same Tenacity set also ttods book

[ivory shoal]

I think it'll be fine

my itto team uses up kokomi anyway

[tiny sedge]

Do you have Bennett

[ivory shoal]

Yes, but bennett feels clunky with itto 😔

gorou isn't c4 either

[tiny sedge]

Bennett with Ayato

He is common as hyper Ayato team with heal

[gentle nymph]

Anyone else planning to build full EM kuki? I’m not sure how often Kuki would proc electrocharge. The team I plan on using is Ayato/Yelan/Kazuha/Kuki. Assuming Kazuha infuses hydro on his burst and the enemy is constantly being applied with hydro from 3 people, would Kuki be the sole proccer of electrocharge?

[daring owl]

don't see why not but she would only proc once every 3 seconds without burst

[hollow river]

her EM scaling also greatly falls off for healing the higher lvl Kuki is since her basehp gets higher

which is counterintuitive since you want to be a higher level for an EM build

like she'll heal around ~lvl60 Kuki regardless of her level with an EM build

her damage will scale better EM than HP but her max potential dmg seems to be so abysmally low that it isn't worth investing into imo

[gentle nymph]

oo i see, thanks!

[glad harness]

kuki has fang!!!

[tiny sedge]

Where is she have fang ? Do you have a picture of her

Fang is always so cute

[glad harness]

I can see very very small fang

[small turtle]

[glad harness]

is that enough to be called fang? or just tooth?

[small turtle]

its still a fang tooth in the end

[glad harness]

I'm going to inspect more when I get her

[tiny sedge]

Cute!! it look like fang, other character do not have it

[subtle finch]

I clicked the play button expecting video

[glad harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/tyg8vu/kuki_shinobu_gameplay_normal_attacks_elemental/ video is here

[vernal crag]

I thought kuki ticks 45% HP everytime

it runs out it's

divided

to 10 ticks

man

[small turtle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mbE0hI5XOXnvLquydPybV34-lC6xO6if6_0wCacJQXM/edit?usp=sharing

if you see any mistakes, feel free to ping me here so i can change it

[glass crown]

would Kuki be ok in an Eula Shenhe Rosaria comp?

[small turtle]

i think eula raiden kuki rosaria would be better

[glass crown]

well, I'd wanna run Raiden national/hyper for the second half

[small turtle]

ohhh it could work

i think thats the second best option for it

[tiny sedge]

43k team it seem okay? How come Kuki on only HP and no electro/crit? Is it not big difference

Also wonder how much it change if Yae only have a 4* like Oathsworn

[small turtle]

i am just using her as a Q bot, as well as kazuha buffing her = a electro goblet

[tiny sedge]

Oh or you mean E right ? For Tenacity and heal ? But that make sense it is most easy build for her

She seem like such easy character to build

[small turtle]

just for Q since i am still going dmg, ill try to see if electro gob changes it

electro dmg gob provided more

[tiny sedge]

Okay, my build for now it is HP/Electro/Crit because her heal it already seem strong based from healing sheets

[desert knoll]

Do we know how many Times kuki's Q hits?

[torpid oak]

7 times if above 50% HP, & 13 if below iirc

[small turtle]

i changed mine to this as well

[desert knoll]

Only?
Oh damn, I was expecting more

Ok then ig
I wanted to know because electrocharged and all that stuff
The team I'm going to use her on will make her have 1375 most of the time
So I wanted to know in case of rain or something

Thanks

Does her em scaling talent influence the reaction damage too?

[small turtle]

reaction dmg scales of EM, the dmg increase of her A4 is still unknown if its flat dmg increase or additive dmg increase but in my sheet, i used it as additive dmg increase

[desert knoll]

Reaction damage scales from Em yes
But other things like events affect it as well.
There's a base damage based on level that the em increases
I do wonder if her damage increase affects the base damage for it

[small turtle]

[small turtle]

sure

thats why i called you

she needs more love

sure

[tawdry bone]

did the new particle gen findings change anything about her?

or is it still fav only

[small turtle]

3.6 particles, could be lower

depends on the rng

[tiny sedge]

It is 45% chance so it is rng , I think with Fav she can be okay battery but not best

[small turtle]

imma sheet eula team now

[cold pumice]

Its that True ST or ST but secondary for swirls, I'm guessing True ST because of Kazuha's relatively low DPS

Also why does Yae have R1?

[small turtle]

true ST

[small turtle]

on the sheet is i really want to see what kuki can bring if i replace her with sara on this comp, which is why Yae generally run with her BiS since this is a Yae centered comp with Raiden as a battery and secondary DPS

[cold pumice]

Alright thanks

[plush mirage]

iirc 43k is higher than yae raiden sara jean?

[small turtle]

[plush mirage]

also why is kuki skill particle calced at 3.25?

at c0 it should be (12*0.45) = 5.4 isn't it

actually why is her energy calc not counted as part of turret generated energy in the erc

[cold pumice]

It is

Azure sheeted 44K sucrose 2T primary

with sucrose

and jean was even lower

No verity tbf

[small turtle]

i used the ticks rather than the duration

so its 8*0.45=3.6

[plush mirage]

is that what uba said?

i thought it's 0.45 every ticks, and kuki ticks every second?

[small turtle]

the reason why it isnt on turret rn is cause its hard to base turret particle vs rng rn

[small turtle]

1.5 seconds 45% rng

[plush mirage]

oh right it's every 1.5

Hmm just one more thing, i guess she should be using her e twice in that erc?

Since it's sac sword

[small turtle]

the casting of E isnt producing particles from the video on the pins

i suppose i could put 1.5 trigger

[plush mirage]

well in the end it's turret so it should at least get some particle from the extra ~6 ticks in that 23s rot

although it probably don't matter too much other than probably yae dropping one er sub

[inland magnet]

why sac on kuki?

[lunar zealot]

Wait, she uses specter drops? F

seriously questioning lvling Kuki now

I thought she was bad enough, I had no idea

[small turtle]

easier to get her hp to <50% to proc 13 hits on Q

[inland magnet]

i see. is there a realistic scenario where casting her burst is not a dps loss?

disregarding fun for a bit here

[small turtle]

wdym, its her top most dps in her kit if not counting reaction procs

[lunar zealot]

that's not a good reason to me. you can Q>E your first rotation (cant funnel her particles anyway), then every next ortation you E>Q you willl have the <50% HP ult.

[inland magnet]

im talking team dps

[lunar zealot]

AND, that is considering it is worth building for her ult

[inland magnet]

considering kuki is on the lower end of the dps spectrum, i imagine you'd prefer to cast her E and get off of her asap

[small turtle]

wdym by Q>E? wont that just have 7 hits instead of 13?

[lunar zealot]

yes, the first q cast will be 7 hits, the first cast of your whole abyss run

[small turtle]

on this specific team comp, i need to make way for a 22 second rot to make way for yae's burst CD

[lunar zealot]

it is a very reasonable price to get some really useful weapon like a favonius

instead of sac

[small turtle]

i suppose i could that in return of lowering yae's totem proc on the first half of the rotation

[inland magnet]

i'm guessing the alternative is NA/CA on yae?

[small turtle]

its still 22 second if i remove one E

but that still depends on live testing as things could be faster

[inland magnet]

yes but i mean the alternative to kuki double-E and Q'ing would be to fill the gaps with yae NA/CA, right?

[small turtle]

oh wait i dont need to decrease yae totem procs

if i remove the last E

[small turtle]

nah, i removed the second E before Q and will still make yae totem hit 9 procs assuming and 15 procs on the end

still going to use sac for the 15 second cd cause i cant add anything else to the rot

after looking at the sheet, i realize if i remove the second E, totm uptime gets destroy

[cold pumice]

Reject rotations, return to adaptive quickswap

[small turtle]

yae be like: "is my satellite field time a joke to you"

[plush mirage]

You cant really quickswap with raiden there

[lunar zealot]

raiden field time: 10sec. Kuki C0 E duration: 12sec. Kuki c0 TotM duration per E cast: 15sec. Seems completely possible to me

not even hard

[small turtle]

the whole rot rotate in a 23 second comp, if i do one Kuki E before Yae QEEE, that is 12-4 already so 8 seconds. Next is i have to reset VV shred for Raiden to be able to shred the enemy in the entire window of her Q, which takes 1-2 second depending if you high or low plunge. Other caviet i saw to it is the first 9 tick of Yae totem wont get the totm buff cause it will be hard if we do not run sac sword, which is a really big deal as that was the reason why i immediately want to switch to kuki after 1st yae EEE to dynamic the totm buff to her totems. Primarily, my goal to with this comp is too see if Kuki can fit well being a off-field healer into a team that substitute sara -> kuki and jean -> kazuha, which paid of nicely.

[patent timber]

how is kuki's er gen , like how much particles does it produced in avg?

[small turtle]

3.6 in 12 seconds

[patent timber]

and how much does like Fischl generate

just need to compare

[last flare]

7.2 in 10 seconds

[patent timber]

ok so Kuki is mediocre in energy generation

so can't be used as a battery right?

[last flare]

she is actually better than average, but the average is quite low

and Fishl is busted ^^

[patent timber]

ye true, like just run fischl

[last flare]

that being said, Shinobu can run Fav sword very efficiently

mutli-hit burst = no need for very high crit, 20-25% is enough, and low base attack doesn't matter much for her HP-scaling Burst

[patent timber]

hmm that's nice

[last flare]

currently, Sac sword is theorized for smoother rotations, and Fav sword for battery purpose

[patent timber]

ooh what about EM weapons on her, or is EM passive too pepega for that?

[last flare]

yeah, too pepega indeed, EM passive is more bad luck mitigation for artifact RNG atm

[patent timber]

oh like yae?

[last flare]

like Yae

and HP scaling for Ayato

[patent timber]

ah so its better to go hp/hp/hb instead of EM/Em/em?

[last flare]

for pure healing, it is

thing is, I'm beginning to wonder if going HP/Electro/HB isn't the way to go

[patent timber]

well tbh her dmg is too mediocre as of now cos of those split scalings and stuff, so maybe building her with full hp with tenacity might be good

[last flare]

preserve the highest multipliers on arti main stats...Shinobu is a Jack-of-all-trades anyway, not sure going full specialized is good for her, specifically

yeah, but, I mean...the question is, do you need that much healing?

[patent timber]

true, maybe hp electro crit with fav?

[last flare]

not that much damage, maybe not worth it to loose that much healing

[patent timber]

so dropping crit for hb better right?

[last flare]

I think so, just from stat efficiency, but it's only my opinion

[patent timber]

ah thanks

[last flare]

even if her damage is not high, it's still better than pure defensive healers, like Barbara and Diona, and Kokomi does more damage but takes on-field time

I'm not talking about dps-Barbara, because then it's the same issue than Kokomi, required on-field time

now I wonder how Shinobu would compare to Jean/Sayu and Clam Qiqi...(let's not talk about Bennett, for obvious reasons)

[tawdry bone]

I saw someone who made the comparison and she was pretty bad

[fringe river]

Can kuki use festering desire ??

[old depot]

is phys kuki viable?

[shrewd crescent]

Idk I tried sheeting that but failed

[last flare]

define "viable"

[last flare]

she can, but she shouldn't

[old depot]

usable slash good

[spare torrent]

Look, I just got 36* using Itto/Rosa/Kaeya/Zhongli on 12-3-2 with Rosa and Kaeya unbuilt and unvleveled. Viable is very subjective in this game.

[last flare]

everything is usable/good, that's not really precise enough

[daring owl]

it's viable enough to clear the content of the game

[last flare]

check what Corin said, everything is viable enough to clear everything, even 36 stars Abyss, it's just not precise enough

ask for a power-level, and you'll have more constructive takes

like "is she Eula-level?" yeah, no

"is she Razor-level?" nope

"is she physical Amber-level" that would be a more interesting question, for sure

[spare torrent]

"Is she Barbara level?" I sure hope so.

[last flare]

the thing with Shinobu is that her whole kit screams "I want to stay off-field as much as possible, with less than 50% health"

sometimes, you can use characters in a different way than what they were designed for, but, yeah, might be too soon to tell

[simple cypress]

Because Jean and Sayu don't have messed up split scaling, it's easier to build them for both good healing and good damage. Sayu is just locked behind c6 for the best of both worlds. Clam Sayu would probably be used more often if VV wasn't so much more useful

Unfortunately Kuki can only pick one lane and stay in it :‹

[last flare]

the way I see it, her E is for healing, and her Burst is for damage, it's not so much as she has split scaling, but rather than her kit has split functionality. Xinyan has true split scaling, if you know what I mean

[lunar zealot]

she scales with HP for heals and damages, that's not really split scaling as E is not meant to deal. and that's exactly why she need an ult buff hard, looking at her kit she is meant to be a healer that compromizes on her heal and her own safety for a decent conditionnal burst. and the most underwhelming part of her kit right now is the burst part..

but yes, when xinyan exists, it's kinda hard to cope for Kuki buffs. Xinyan not only has split scaling, but is dysfonctional as well on many levels

[young mesa]

I feel like Xinyan was just bad design, in any case it seems like HYV is learning from their previous characters... Unless they're just throwing random stuff to see what works.

[subtle finch]

?

[subtle finch]

?

Please explain

[young mesa]

You've shown Xinyan can be played functionally and I respect you for that Noir. But I gotta admit she could have been way better, and being a 4* is no excuse for the way her kit works, not even considering other options, it is pretty hard to find a role she can fit in withouth issues or at least not having a part of her kit that doesn't really help her for that role.

[hexed jetty]

is she good?

can she battery yae? or she(kuki) needs her own battery

[subtle finch]

But you have not told me anything wrong with the way her kit works

[subtle finch]

She won’t be nearly as good a battery as fischl

[tiny sedge]

She is not as good of battery as a Fischl or Raiden, maybe if use Favonius on her it is maybe okay but not best. Kuki is not need her own battery though because her burst is bad no need to charge it, also only 60

[subtle finch]

You may be able to make her work as a battery I am not sure exactly how much battery power Yae needs

It just definitely won’t be as effective as fischl battery

[tiny sedge]

She is better of favonius character than Fischl so more as whole team energy than only electro

[young mesa]

I'm mostly worried about Xinyan's role consolidation:
-You could run her as support for a Physical Carry, but then there's other options that can make a better job by enabling SC and batterying. Same thing if running her as the physical carry, cuz i believe you gotta take some extra slots for cryo and electro, and then by running electro you'd be proccing overload which doesn't help her much i think.

• Run her as a Pyro carry, and then she has to take a C6 Bennett (this is no issue if your other team is Ayaka/mono geo tbh), +now her A4, C4 (and Burst somewhat) are denied.

• Focus on her shield, then she's competing with Bennett as sustain+pyro applier. Hu Tao does prefer characters like her, but there's also Thoma (and C4 Yanfei) so still depends on player preference.

There might be other options i'm not seeing though, i did read about Xinyan in soup teams but didn't really pay attention to it

TL;DR: There's no niche where she's the absolute best option, split scaling sux, and i want to be wrong about this.

[subtle finch]

good thing you are wrong about it

you could, you know, just read the guide that I posted in the guide production channel

!!sheet

[young mesa]

It's out ||soon||

[subtle finch]

it's publicly available for early access reading and commenting/suggestions maybe read it before contributing to the misconceptions about Xinyan that I've devoted so many hours to attempting to debunk

[young mesa]

[main bay]

guide production where?

[lament cargo]

it's a staff thing, once Noir is done with the guide he'll publish it and it'll get it's own command

[main bay]

understood. Im definitely intrigued.

[subtle finch]

theres also a ticket for it open on KQM where you can find it

[crimson oasis]

idk I think Diona still is better. Shields, beside comfort, also enable DPS in certain situations.. Yoimiya and Ganyu really like to not be interrupted while doing their thing. -- Also, Diona can provide extra EM

[main bay]

Not just a juicy shield. but an EM buff, stamina reduction and a ton of cryo particles

[lament cargo]

I do hope she gets buffed

she looks so cool

[subtle finch]

Same

Otherwise I’m saving for Baizhu

[main bay]

As do I. Her damage can stay, just give her some utilities like they did for diona and people will use her happily

[lament cargo]

exactly

more utility is all I want

[subtle finch]

^

No reason she shouldn’t be able to have same particle production rate as fischl and have some type of buff or debuff

Would it have been so bad to give her 15% defense shred like Lisa and razor?

[lament cargo]

exactly what I was thinking

[crimson oasis]

Good part is that she really doesn't need constellations so even if you just get 1, it'll make taser comps more comfortable

[lament cargo]

healing, battery and def shred

[crimson oasis]

but yeah i really hope she gets some buffs

[main bay]

Shes gonna make my teapot more comfortable at least

[subtle finch]

Imagine if she had the defense shred we could do razor Lisa Kuki mono electro team

With 45% defense shred

How cool would that have been

[lament cargo]

so fucking cool

why hoyo

[subtle finch]

Razor Lisa beidou Kuki if she did

[subtle finch]

Might be a team worth calcing anyway

[main bay]

I think omen style debuff on burst would be interesting

[subtle finch]

Like a mini Mona omen?

I agree

[crimson oasis]

I really don't understand Kuki's current Q

It doesn't fit her kit at all

[subtle finch]

I’m actually curious if we can make a good team out of this with Kuki as she is now

[crimson oasis]

beside it scaling on HP and even still not fantastically so

[main bay]

It would make her an alternative to prototype amber mona. U can just use kuki and a different hydro

[subtle finch]

30% defense shred team

[main bay]

Her kit exactly as it is right feels like dead weight

if they rework EC or something though, she may have new appealto me

[lament cargo]

how long is razor's atk combo

[subtle finch]

without cutting it short at all, 18s

I think it can even get up to 20s depending on the hitlag

[lament cargo]

Kuki EQ
Lisa Q
Beidou EQ
Razor atk combo

add in a couple NAs

[subtle finch]

^wanna have a Razor E at the start of the rotation but yeah

(razor at start of rotation is more particles+gets the defense shred up early+his ER buff)

[lament cargo]

I know nothing about razor

[subtle finch]

oh well at c4 his E shreds defense by 15% and each E also buffs his ER by 20%, and makes 3 particleds

so you usually want to start rotations with it

[lament cargo]

Razor E
Kuki EQ
Lisa Q
Beidou EQ
Razor atk combo
?

[subtle finch]

yeah pretty much

Razor E
Kuki QE
Lisa Q
Beidou EQ
Razor EQ N4E N4D N4E N4D N2E

Lisa probably on ttds if not at c4+

[lament cargo]

yeah then you get the 48% atk buff on beidou

what are kuki's best swords again ?

sac and ...

[subtle finch]

kekwait energy is atrocious here

[lament cargo]

as expected

[subtle finch]

why is Kuki good at nothing

[lament cargo]

😔

[subtle finch]

well I guess we could just give up on using lisa and use fischl

but even then is kuki even doing anything here that would be better than what any other healer/shielder would do

[lament cargo]

don't think so

[shrewd crescent]

Because I predicted it

[subtle finch]

why did you do that