kuki-theorycrafting

[chilly flare]

ohohoho damn

[umbral sun]

Wait was it 1 or 2? I forgot. It was at least faster than before.

[chilly flare]

just remembered this is supposed to be kuki tc lmao

well no ones complaining so

[vocal tulip]

what else is there to tc about? there's no new info

[umbral sun]

Nobody cares about our ninja anymore

[chilly flare]

anywayz ill dip cause i was supposed to study for an exam ive actually been procrastinating

[chilly flare]

yeue i know ahah

just usually i see ppl complaining if someone talks too much about other stuff

[umbral sun]

Good luck. I should probably leave as well

[vocal tulip]

[chilly flare]

thanks!

[mental topaz]

Poor Kuki

[shrewd crescent]

Just get jade cutter. It'll solve all problems

[cerulean mesa]

A question: what's the best setup for 4tom assuming I want to do as much burst damage as possible?

[night imp]

how is kuki looking

[shrewd crescent]

I'd assume (from personal observation aka this is feelscrafting) hp/electro/crit

Or are you referring to teams

[cerulean mesa]

I want to use 4tom because it will be up all the time and it stacks with 4no

and she's a healer also. She's a real all-rounder

[stuck breach]

yeah imo the only 2 good choices on her is tom and the clam set, depending on if your team of choices uses atk or something else

[shrewd crescent]

Klee dendro burn team name: Blazing Delight

[cerulean mesa]

aah, just noticed her burst is 60 energy

[shrewd crescent]

Kuki?

That surprised me tbh

[cerulean mesa]

yeah

[rare abyss]

Same, knowing what they did with Inazuman characters i thought they would give her 80

[tawdry bone]

they know how shit her kit is so

[formal edge]

I'll be real with you, kinda copium

But it's okay since the beta's not over yet. There's still time for adjustments.

[green dagger]

It should be 40 cost tbh

Her Q does nothing to warant a 60 cost burst

[formal edge]

Yeah 40 cost would be better for what it does now

IMO I'd prefer more scaling but keep the 60 energy cost

That or add some extra mechanic to it, like a buff or something idk (debuff a unit, deal more dmg to specifically it, idfk lmfao)

[shrewd crescent]

hp scaling on E

[formal edge]

Yeah idk

If you ask me, I'd say dump the A4. A4 looks so garbage that it's a tragedy. Though maybe it's balanced around dendro or maybe it's worded badly or something like that.

[chilly flare]

to be fair, does her burst even do anything?😭

it just deals some damage doesnt it

[tawdry bone]

man but how much EM needed from a dendro/electro reaction would you need for that passive to be actually good?

[tawdry bone]

yes

[chilly flare]

considering shes supposed to be a healer thats kinda

idk some kind of buff or debuff on enemies idk

[tawdry bone]

ikr

Shinobu is shit

[chilly flare]

anyway good if you dont build her on damage i guess so you dont need to worry about the burst

[tawdry bone]

not even the healing is good enough

[chilly flare]

yeah doesnt look too good :// not surprised looking at most the other inazuma 4*s

well beta started only some time ago they might change her yk

[formal edge]

yeah ^

Here's to hoping

[chilly flare]

look how many buffs they gave yae out of nowhere

[tawdry bone]

at least Sayu has a cool skill that makes exploration a bit easier and thoma can work in normal atk comps

[chilly flare]

you do have a point here

[formal edge]

At the very least, she can be a 4totm and freedom sworn slave

[chilly flare]

ye tenacity is nice

and tbh ive wanted an electro healer for so long

yea but we didnt have an electro healer yet </3

[tawdry bone]

well don't count gorou since it's only C4 and he's mostly a geo support

[chilly flare]

^^^^

[tawdry bone]

made for mono geo teams that don't have a healer

or a shielder

[chilly flare]

like counting that then mondsradt has too many too haaha

jean bennett diona

[tawdry bone]

also Sayu's thing is her skill

agreed

I thought she might be a main dps since I couldn't think of anything else she could be

and I really didn't think they'll make her a healer

[formal edge]

Just crown her autos, build ADC and aquila favonia

[tawdry bone]

ikr

god I liked her design so much and her character from what we knew

I was really going to build her

but after seeing the leaks

never been so disappointed with a character man

[formal edge]

I mean I'll still build her but she's gonna get the healer treatment

60/70, probably 1/4/4 talents

[tawdry bone]

I'm still coping they'll give her at least another utility

even the constellations suck wth dude 😭

[chilly flare]

i thought of healer honestly i guessed it right ahaha

i was dying for an electro healer to vary my comps

lets see if they buff anything but lets not raise pur expectations too high ;-;

[tawdry bone]

I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best

but I'm nearly sure she won't change much

honestly at this point her whole kit should be overhauled

[spice sundial]

at this point we have 2 electro characters that scale with EM

that can't be just random, they probably intend to do something with it

[tawdry bone]

considering how shitty both the passives are, just how much EM would you need to make them relevant?

[spice sundial]

i don't mean now..

[tawdry bone]

I know

[spice sundial]

dendro or artifacts set

[tawdry bone]

that doesn't answer my question dude

they need a lot of EM to make the passives relevant

[formal edge]

Maybe one of the dendro reactions buffs passive effects by 100x or something

[tawdry bone]

and I don't think it's wise to make a reaction or an artifact set give so much EM

[formal edge]

Or maybe EM just gets overhauled into an entirely different form of stat and is easier to get more of post-dendro

[tawdry bone]

that's too hopeful

that would also change a lot of things for reactions comps

[formal edge]

The A4 as of now is definitely bad. The problem is figuring out what MHY can do in the future to make it useful

Given the existing game mechanics

As jotar said, I think dendro reactions would have to be insanely overpowered to make Kuki's A4 notable. Same line of new artifacts

That or, EM gets reworked

[tawdry bone]

too hopeful sadly

[formal edge]

A4 is just really weak right now. Even Yae's EM passive is better suited for the dendro argument

[tired berry]

Considering they apparently nerfed Dendro/Electro reactions it must’ve been strong enough

I just need confirmation crumbs to settle for pulling 🥲

[spice sundial]

why overpowered? they just have to be good enough to justify building full EM

it doesn't have to be damge, it could be a debuf

[formal edge]

That's why I'm trying to be careful with my words

A debuff is fine, but it doesn't make the passive more worthwhile

[tawdry bone]

true

[formal edge]

250 flat dmg per 1000 EM (pre reduction)

[tired berry]

Yup

[tawdry bone]

damn that's too low

[formal edge]

Her having a debuff is fine, but the passive doesn't change that

[tired berry]

I’d rather it be a damage reaction

[tawdry bone]

I'm hoping the passive is a mere placeholder and they'll change it later

no way they'll add a passive that damn useless

[formal edge]

It may just serve as a hint to the the user to build EM.

[tardy cosmos]

true

[formal edge]

Perhaps that's what it's meant to be

"Your character doesn't actually benefit from EM, but the reactions Kuki can do with it is the real reason"

[tawdry bone]

but I don't think in a reaction comp she'll be triggering reactions consistently

she has standard ICD right?

[formal edge]

Atm yeah

[tawdry bone]

yeah she won't be triggering reactions consistently

[formal edge]

To be fair it can proc a reaction every other E tick. And ult provides at least 3-5 reactions depending on HP threshold.

Hmm actually it's probably 2-4

[real yoke]

could klee kuki fischl and benny be a good overload comp

or is it too early to tell if kuki can replace beidou

[toxic arrow]

how is kuki looking with itto?

like itto/albedo/gorou/kuki

[chilly flare]

i mean look at yaes passive lmao

[tawdry bone]

that's what we were talking about

[chilly flare]

im sure shed work, a fourth slot for someone who can apply an element other than geo is nice cause cristallize

[chilly flare]

OH

sorry me dumb

[tawdry bone]

both their passives to be precise

both are pretty useless 😭

[chilly flare]

i mean we dont know much but im sure beidou is much better 😭

[torpid oak]

At least Yae’s gives actual useful damage bonus instead of whatever Kuki has going on

[chilly flare]

also true

[formal edge]

It's always too early to tell, but I don't think Kuki can fill Beidou's slot. Beidou offers extremely high electro aura, damage, damage reduction, and interruption resist. 4 things Kuki can't offer I think.

[chilly flare]

fr why they insisting on em on electro pgs somethings up

[tawdry bone]

yeah but ATK is still better to build on

thus making the EM passive just a bonus 😭

[chilly flare]

yeah 😭 hp on ayato makes sense hes hydro (even tho its the same thing, atk is much better) but why em

[formal edge]

I mean the only thing I can think of is that Kuki's low application makes her the trigger for overload and the first EC tick.

[tawdry bone]

also the HP thingy is a part of his skill it didn't take of any his passives 😭

[formal edge]

I'd have to spreadsheet that... though I'd imagine it shouldn't go too far

[chilly flare]

yeah

[rare abyss]

Hyv making every 4 star not broken(shit) so we will pull on the 5 stars

[tardy cosmos]

https://twitter.com/memetrollsXD/status/1511054410302074881?s=20&t=BH0Cc9d_arWMfDSQowfCJA NEW VIDEO

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IT'S VERY INTERESTING HOW HER SKILL CAN HIT TWICE?

AROUND 0:20 AND 0:28

or is this C4?

[tawdry bone]

it's most probably her C4

[tardy cosmos]

but c4 should be every 5s

it's 8s here

[tawdry bone]

it only hits when the normal/charged/plunging attack of the active characters hits an opponent

that's why

[tardy cosmos]

ah yeah

back to cope mode again

[tawdry bone]

us

oh nice

A ultramaxed Kuki struggling to kill a hillichurl

What if C4 and the E don't share ICD

[tawdry bone]

https://tenor.com/view/diluc-guoba-diluc-genshin-guoba-genshin-genshin-impact-genshin-gif-23346368

[last flare]

not ultramaxed, wrong goblet, not under 50% HP. It's a mostly E-build Shinobu, and thing is, the E is meant to be used when another character is active, so...do not get me wrong, this solidifies the fact that Shinobu is not meant to be a main source of damage, and doesn't work well as a solo character, but saying she's ultramaxed...yeah, no

[heady flower]

I just want kuki to be good

She doesn’t have to be amazing

Just pls

[last flare]

she'll be as good as Xinyan and Thoma, take it as you will

I know exactly how I will build her to make use of her. Buffs would be nice but not necessary

aka ToM HP/HP/HB with Fav sword. Low damage, healer/buffer/battery, Burst+E every 15 sec, that's it.

[misty halo]

there are no bad characters in genshin, some are just worse than others, but are still usable

[main bay]

Semantics

Bad is a relative term not an absolute

[cerulean mesa]

Really you guys are actually investing into her EM passive?

The bulk of her damage comes from the Q, E's just there for electro apps and heals

[merry dragon]

Man def cinnabar

[orchid apex]

cinnabar kuki actually uses all of her stats lmao

[iron meteor]

Kuki as a battery - is it viable?

[orchid apex]

not as good as something else for the most part

[merry dragon]

Is there a confirmed gen per proc or

[cerulean mesa]

every 2 e proc

[misty halo]

why cinnabar works even on paper

[merry dragon]

Bc Kuki's atk scalings on E are so bad the sword beats it iirc

[hollow cairn]

tbh im not gonna worry abt her E dmg, i'll prob just focus on ult and heals

[tiny sedge]

I thought Kuki energy it is not every 2 E proc. I read it is ~40% chance

[hollow cairn]

easier that way esp cuz jade cutter

[merry dragon]

I'd unironically just stack her heals and not worry about her offenses entirely

[iron meteor]

Man I really want Kuki to be able to battery and heal simultaneously and efficiently

[orchid apex]

kuki can proc cinnabar the fastest of all swords

[tiny sedge]

Ubatcha tweet it is rng energy

[orchid apex]

since she does it off cd

[tiny sedge]

Unless she has change for her scaling, I think I will just give leftover Tenacity artifact, it seem her stats does not change so much anyway

[cerulean mesa]

just focus on the burst if you're worry about damage. E's damage is an afterthought tbh

[tiny sedge]

Burst it seem to be most important because it is same stat with her heal yes

[wraith harbor]

tbh burst damage sounds like a bonus for naturally building up your heals

[tiny sedge]

It is build with HP/Electro/Crit to have some heal and damage , but if focus only heal then burst is all useless with no utility right

[hollow cairn]

yeah basically

[wraith harbor]

yea sounds about right

[tiny sedge]

If build HP/Electro/Crit, is burst damage any significant to team dps

[cerulean mesa]

do note that this guy is thought to have a faulty client

His latest yelan vid was deleted

[tawdry bone]

faulty client?

[cerulean mesa]

things not working right when they should be

[subtle finch]

I think that was her c4

[cerulean mesa]

that guy's gear lmao

[subtle finch]

hydro kuki

[lament cargo]

[glossy reef]

FUCK we never tested hydro Shinobu

Okay, wait, clarification question

Is her name actually Shinobu, like how Kamisato Ayaka is Ayaka and Kamisato is her last name, or is Shinobu being used as a title and titles also come last similar to first names?

[gaunt pivot]

not sure how that works, but we also have Raiden Shogun, might be a better comparison to Kuki Shinobu?

[tiny sedge]

Kuki Shinobu is also translate as Kuki Ninja, I think name is Kuki

[torpid oak]

It’s Kuki Shinobu, so following the same logic as the Kamisato Ayaka, you would call her Shinobu if you call Ayaka, Ayaka

[subtle finch]

wait i thought ninja was "shinobi" not shinobu

[glossy reef]

OH I WAS MIXING UP SHINOBI AND SHINOBU

Okay, that makes a lot of sense now

I thought her actual name was just "Ninja"

[subtle finch]

[gaunt pivot]

It's Ninju

[tiny sedge]

Oh, I read it from Genshin wiki as translation

[glossy reef]

Hey man I was confused too, I was wondering why they would name a character like that but I wasn't about to argue with the people researching the culture

[rain axle]

How do u build kuki?

2pc Tf , 2pc Maiden?

Or Wanderes and tenacity?

[torpid oak]

If you wanna build her support/kinda damage 4pc Tenacity, if you wanna build her damage, then uh 4pc Clam might work?

[crimson oasis]

There are some artifact set calcs in the sheets in the pinned comments

I didn't consider 2p wanderer

[tough fox]

how good is kuki particle generation/baterry? good enough to replace fischl in taser comps? (beidou sucrose xingqui)

[cerulean mesa]

she's not beating fischl's damage anytime soon for sure (I have an invested Fischl)

[rain axle]

My kuki will have over 40K HP is taht too much?

[tough fox]

i knoe she doesn't beat fischl's dmg. but i wanna replace her cause of survivability.

[tiny sedge]

Kuki energy it is weaker from Fischl, the particle is also rng ~40% particle chance for each hit

[cerulean mesa]

a lil, my lvl 90 calculated one has only like 39.5k, that's with jade cutter + like 6 hp subs and hp gob

[rain axle]

Is 2pc ToTm, 2pc Wanderes good?

[cerulean mesa]

at that point just go 4tom imo

[tiny sedge]

The EM passive in A4 is not strong

[crimson oasis]

You'd most likely replace beidou instead cuz she isn't gonna be a good enough battery for beidou

[tough fox]

my beidou tooo heavily invested

and i feellike she's the main dmg dealer there cause of her burst

[crimson oasis]

2p totm 2p wanderer

vs 4p tenacity

em-elec-crit

2p wanderer seems good on paper in comparison to not getting 80 EM but mind you that then you aren't providing any buffs to the team

All kuki will then provide for the team is healing and that doesn't rly sound worth it

[rain axle]

Isn’t that all she’s used for?

[crimson oasis]

That's why you would want 4p tenacity or noblesse

atleast give her some more utility

[cerulean mesa]

no? She's a healer with 100% braindead uptime on 4tom

That's her niche, oh and activating electro res too

[rain axle]

Electro res?

[cerulean mesa]

resonance

I'll be using hp gob because I already have enough damage on my electro chars (and because my best hp gob is ultra cracked)

[rain axle]

It doesn’t do anything tho

[crimson oasis]

It generates energy

[cerulean mesa]

oh boy, please tell me you're not one of those who disregard particle gen

[crimson oasis]

Like 5 extra energy particles per E use

[rain axle]

Ohhh rlly?

Nvm then

[tough trout]

so disappointed with kuki i was so excited for her but now that i look at her scaling and stuff its like

i wanted her to be more of an electro support

[crimson oasis]

It's a two-fold issue the way I see it

one part is that her kit doesn't give any extra utility other than heals.. The other part is that her scalings are low (since she doesn't give any extra utilities, atleast have her scaling be better..)

[tough trout]

yeah and i was gonna use her with kokomi if she could be a good electro support but i don't need another healer

[rain axle]

I’ll js save for Heizou

[cerulean mesa]

how can you save for sth that you don't know the kit of
you might skip him again just like you intend to skip kuki

[tough trout]

i don't have the patience to save for characters usually

[rain axle]

Damnn

[crimson oasis]

simps

[tough trout]

i want kuki for my teapot tho and because her namecard looks cool

if they buff or fix her then maybe ill build her

[crimson oasis]

Wasn't there gonna be a new beta build today?

[tough trout]

oh idk i haven't heard anything about it

[cerulean mesa]

tends to be on monday/tuesday iirc

[torpid oak]

I heard it was a holiday in China today, so the update we got to Yelan’s C2 the other day is what we get for this week

[crimson oasis]

better luck next week lol

[rain axle]

Wednesday

I think

[tawdry bone]

lets hope she gets some changes

i really like her design but risking an unwanted 5 star is not worth it

and not for whatever her kit appears to be

[robust timber]

ima snipe her for electro collection purposes

[waxen patio]

never try to snipe 4 stars ive seen so many people get the 5 star. also her kit is very bad rn if you care about meta

[tawdry bone]

like i said

its not worth it

so unless we get good rerun banners im not going to get her

[unique sphinx]

Waifu Meta>Real Meta

[shrewd crescent]

Hooray new Kuki gameplay

[keen sinew]

In my opinion, Kuki just need some better hp scaling and her skill needs to be hp scaling for dmg. Her A4 should be different since it just more value to do hp stats overall than em stats just to get 75% more heals and 25% more dmg from total em. C6 to me is just a con not worth pulling for unless i want a jail free card every min and 150 em which wont do a lot.

[shrewd crescent]

Hp scaling everything would make me feel good for picking any weapon I want for Kuki

[torpid oak]

Harbinger of Dawn /j

[subtle finch]

[shrewd crescent]

Did you see kuki gameplay on private server thing

[subtle finch]

self drain below 90%

[subtle finch]

vs the mitachurl?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

Or is that old

[subtle finch]

was there anything worth noting there?

[shrewd crescent]

Her c4 in action ig

And the c1

[torpid oak]

I know, I'm just memeing

[shrewd crescent]

Change e damage to hp scaling and lower MVs

[torpid oak]

And up her Burst MV while they're at it too

[subtle finch]

or same mvs

[torpid oak]

Kokomi 2!

[subtle finch]

i dont think the damage would be unreasonable if the MVs were kept the same since its hard to buff pure hp scaling anywas outside of kazuha and vv

[torpid oak]

You think 42% of Shinobu's HP as damage every 1.5 seconds at T9 isn't cracked as hell?

[subtle finch]

uh lemme put in my kuki template that see what happens

ok that is absolutely broken

lmfao

[torpid oak]

[subtle finch]

quadrapled her damage

[torpid oak]

[shrewd crescent]

I tried compensating by lowering e scaling to:
Cast: 151% –> 10.7%
Tick: 50.48% –> 3.69%

[small turtle]

50% on t12 is already too much dmg

50.50

[vocal tulip]

Is her HP consumption penalty even balanced?

[small turtle]

wdym?

[unique sphinx]

I don't think so

[vocal tulip]

She consumes 30% of her current hp for what? More healing??

It seems unnecessary

[unique sphinx]

her losing hp should allow her to do hp scaled dmg at least

[vocal tulip]

It doesn't offset any op ability

[unique sphinx]

like make the dmg scale with the amount of hp she lost

[small turtle]

it makes her Q into 3.5 seconds that allows it to proc 13 times but the mv is kinda

[vocal tulip]

High-key pointless downside

[stone jacinth]

Imagine if her Q reduce enemy def for each hit

[vocal tulip]

[unique sphinx]

Sound's like a C6 passive

[stone jacinth]

I don't mind tbh

[unique sphinx]

like 2% def per hit

wait make it like 1.5 or 1%

2% might be too op for a 4 star especially

[stone jacinth]

How much was Lisa's shred again

[vocal tulip]

15

[stone jacinth]

Yeah 1% would already be good

Since she also heals

[unique sphinx]

Ya it's also probably C6 cuz that's the only way she would remotely get it

but this is all just copium at this point

[vocal tulip]

Hope she gets a pocket nuke or higher mv/s if she gets buffed

[unique sphinx]

more dmg is nice but I'd prefer more buffs/utility

[vocal tulip]

True

As long as she gets something that can justify lower damage, I'm happy

[unique sphinx]

at the end of the day pocket nuke won't amount to that much compared to support capabilities since dmg is the part of the character that is most susceptible to powercreep

[vocal tulip]

At the very least, I want Kuki to be Sara level

[stone jacinth]

Let's see what she'll get next update, hopefully it's a good buff

[unique sphinx]

Electro characters tend to have battery or shred as support capabilities besides dmg

we have had enough batteries with Fischl, EMC and Raiden

so it would be nice to have characters dealing with def shred

[unique sphinx]

Ya she should be at least that good or better, Sara isn't bad but she is clunky otherwise she would be more popular and a lot of her power budget is locked behind C6 which would still be acceptable if she wasn't so clunky to play with

[vocal tulip]

Sara's still great without C6 with just her buffing ability and nuke alone

C6 Kuki atm just can't compete

[main bay]

Just give her an omen style bonus on enemies hit by her burst

and a co-op workaround for heals

[tawdry bone]

honestly I think they should rework all of her constellations except the 2nd one

[rigid hazel]

Why cant i see pinned here, any calc?

[unique sphinx]

true, they are underwhelming

[main bay]

ill be pleasantly suprised if they change any functionality at all

but if shes in beta its probably only small tweaks they will do

adding new abilities at this stage would be new for hoyoverse

[unique sphinx]

There have been passive reworks before

so I'd hope at least that happens

cuz currently her passives aren't good at all

[trim isle]

what are they?

[vocal tulip]

Em meme healing and more healing when crippled

[main bay]

Remind me.

[crude summit]

Her healing is functional isnt it, its just damage that sucks

[main bay]

Yea her healing is more than functional

[crude summit]

Whats her icd like

On e

[unique sphinx]

Yae's A1 passive got changed completely Ayato's CD reduction mechanic was removed

[main bay]

Iirc every other E proc

[crude summit]

Damm

That sucks

[main bay]

I think most people aren’t expecting big dsmage from their healer anyway

But it feels weird to have the hutao high risk mechanic, without an apparent payoff

[crude summit]

Shes an offield unit so like i dont see the risk

Its more that she doesnt contribute like a good healer would

[main bay]

Mmm. I think corrosion is a common situation that calls for a healer

Healing only active while dropping healers health toward 1hp is a bit risky

But for regular stuff sure

I think in broad strokes xiao can use her

Hell take the milleleth buff too happily

[green wave]

Kuki is a healer battery right?

[rare abyss]

finally a good 4th slot for my comp

[uncut zephyr]

Kuki particle gen is kinda

[green wave]

How is it compared to fischl?

[uncut zephyr]

It's 40% chance every 1.5s for kuki

Fischl is 60% every 1 sec iirc

[green wave]

Oh i see

sac sword kuki?

[uncut zephyr]

Maybe

[green wave]

I wonder if she could work with specifically my yae build

Mine is c1 has 140% er, so its not particularly an issue

[spice sundial]

it should work with C1 Yae

she might be decent in EC comps that need a healer
full EM build

[unique sphinx]

Yae Shinobu Sucrose and Ayato seems like a good team

[merry dragon]

How's kuki's burst damage

[cold pumice]

meh

[cerulean mesa]

We have a sheet for that? Everyone in here say that she has meh burst damage

[graceful depot]

Will kuki be good battery for beidou?

[last flare]

It will always depend on Beidou's ER. Probably will need Fav sword to really be competitive with Fishl as a battery (using her Burst to trigger the effect).

[graceful depot]

I was thinking fro taser comp,because if i can use kuki instead of fisck then i can also get some heal

[spice sundial]

assuming under 50% hp, multiplier is 7.66 x 13 = 100%, cr:cd = 70:150, 80% dmg%, VV
30k x 1.8 x 2 x 1.15 / 2 = 62k

[last flare]

that's for a pure Burst build, though

[spice sundial]

yeah, not sure about the stats

i think it has some potential with reactions if you could supply enough aura

[last flare]

for a healer build with 36k HP and 25CR/50DC, looks more like 45k before resistance

[cerulean mesa]

That's way less than I've thought

Was expecting around 100k

[last flare]

what? no way

[chilly slate]

kuki's main role is a healer, yes?

if so, you shouldn't be expecting crazy dmg out of her right

after a brief read of her kit

[small turtle]

as of currently now yes

[chilly slate]

4pc totm and EM sword?

[tawdry bone]

thing is, she's not even that good of a healer anyways

[chilly slate]

how about the black 3* sword from liyue

[small turtle]

its good according to my mastersheet

[chilly slate]

hmm could be enough

unless you're face tanking

I think she should keep you alive

[small turtle]

the only reason she falls off is everything mihoyo put on her that other healers are capable of doing better

[tawdry bone]

the EM's bonus is worthless

[chilly slate]

at least electro element

that's what sets her apart from what I'm reading so far

other than that and the ability to proc totm

[spice sundial]

dendro

[chilly slate]

realistically I don't think I have a use for her in abyss

[daring owl]

she'll get buffed don't worry

[chilly slate]

but I'm still going to collect and build her for the funsies

[last flare]

she also batteries better than most other healers

[chilly slate]

how much copium would u like to inhale

the copium I'm inhaling is a yelan nerf

[tawdry bone]

is Yelan that good

[chilly slate]

how's her particle generation?

[chilly slate]

from what the other helpers have sent me

her sheets are sheeting dps of upwards 60k

most teams atm don't sheet that high

[daring owl]

the only use i have for her is that it would free up healer spot from jean and i can use kazuha instead but idk if that would be worth it for team damage

[chilly slate]

personally I haven't looked into yelan too much since I have no interest pulling for her

[last flare]

it's average but fully passive, but it should be good with Fav sword...maybe Sac sword if you don't want 15 sec rotations

[tawdry bone]

I'm not familiar with sheets so I don't get how's 60k that high?

[chilly slate]

but if that's true

[chilly slate]

it's not her dps

it's team dps

that's like

power creep is inevitable yes, but this is too much

nerf her when

[daring owl]

I dont think it's that bad but yeah

[chilly slate]

given my c6 xq is benched I can give that to her

hmm would be interesting to build her

atm I think I'll prefarm for a4 1/6/6

as to will I invest more into her than that, depends how she develops in beta

[daring owl]

she looks cool so i'll give her a shot hope she sticks around

[last flare]

next stage of the discussion is Dendro hopium xD

[chilly slate]

I have itto so no way I'm skipping kuki

I just hope she comes home asap

rolling for 4* is

[last flare]

on a side note, Shinobu might be good for Itto

[daring owl]

if she is on ittos banner getting more gorous isnt bad either

[chilly slate]

can she battery for beidou?

[small turtle]

nope

[chilly slate]

now that oyu mention it

[small turtle]

40% rng particles

[chilly slate]

I've been experimenting with elemental itto teams

[daring owl]

i dont think she is worth using on itto team

[chilly slate]

I've done cryo itto already

I could do pyro itto (itto zhong bennet xl) too

[placid pine]

I did that but with kazuha instead of kaeya

[chilly slate]

and maybe electro itto with shinobu + beidou

[chilly slate]

[placid pine]

But it's a geo itto

[daring owl]

you'll probably want fischl instead

[chilly slate]

that's just what I called it kekw

has a better ring to it

[chilly slate]

fischl's tied on other side

[last flare]

is it per tick, or per hit? If it's per hit, it can proc more often against multiple ennemies

[chilly slate]

but if I'm not running soup ayato

[small turtle]

we dont know

[last flare]

mmh

[small turtle]

but we are guessing it per tick

[chilly slate]

I could put her with itto then instead of kuki

how much does her E tick?

how many times*

[last flare]

8 at C0, 10 at C2

[chilly slate]

c2 is too much for me to hope for

I still have to save my pity for kaz given how risky rolling for 4* is

I'll be happy with 1 copy of her

[last flare]

Dendro DoT meta hopium xD

[chilly slate]

when it does proc

how much particles?

[last flare]

1 particle

[small turtle]

1.5 second per tick

2-3 particles per 8 ticks

[last flare]

3.2 particles to be exact

[chilly slate]

so 8 x 0.4 = 3.2 particles per E on average

that's kinda

eh

can't battery then

[last flare]

use Fav or Sac sword for more energy

[chilly slate]

sac's free

as for artifact main stats

is it too early to say or is there a recommendation alr?

[small turtle]

healer = hp/hp/hb

dmg i dont know yet

[last flare]

too early, some say ATK/Electro/Crit for E damage, some say HP/Electro/Crit for Burst, others say HP/HP/HB for heals

[chilly slate]

if running er sword like sac, I assume no need for er sands then?

[small turtle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t5mH94d-CpQqeesNxfAUF4-otbHckkjJORAEOGvZaBk/edit?usp=sharing

[chilly slate]

since her cost is only 60

[small turtle]

i should pin this here

[chilly slate]

you probably should

[small turtle]

for anyone interested in her healing

[chilly slate]

hm haven't considered clam

considering I have a few lying around thanks to itto

I have an clam electro gob too

[last flare]

highly doubt Er sands is needed, 60 Burst cost, she does generate some energy still, ER swords seems best on her anyways

[chilly slate]

hmm I see

actually this has hp too

I might go clam instead of totm then

I wouldn't need to farm for a new set from scratch

I wonder if hp/electro/hb is okay

or I'm just forcing the gob at that point

[last flare]

he, just keep it in the meanwhile

[chilly slate]

this is it on the right at +20

[chilly slate]

glad I didn't fodder it then

I'll take note of what I learned here today for now

I'll just come back here as beta develops and if she gets any changes soon

[last flare]

it's a usable goblet in any case!

[chilly slate]

oh one last thing, how about her em scaling?

[last flare]

A4 EM scaling seems to be lackluster atm

to the point that going EM sword might not be worth it, but yeah, don't take my word on it

[chilly slate]

perhaps I'll just treat it as hp for ayato for now

makes the stat not dead

but not something to actively look for either

[chilly slate]

it's alright, thanks for answering ^^

[last flare]

seems like EM is still better than flat HP

so in order, HP%>Crit stats>EM>HP>the rest

[chilly slate]

gotchu

thanks again

you too akane

[last flare]

but again, don't take my world on it

this is what I gathered from watching discussions from time to time

[chilly slate]

no worries, it's enough to give me an idea of what to expect

I understand too it's still beta

lots of things can change as we learn more/ changes get made

[last flare]

imho, Shinobu will be perfectly usable, but won't be meta...kinda like Thoma

[chilly slate]

good enough for me

I don't want another bennet/xq either

[last flare]

jut wait for Yelan xD

[chilly slate]

no

prayge she'll get nerfed

and I don't have any intention of pulling for her either

[leaden rapids]

Will shinobu be op / broken in 4star tier list?

[last flare]

higly doubtful in the current meta

[leaden rapids]

Just as newbie exploring

[last flare]

anything goes in the overworld

[subtle finch]

Not unless she gets buffed

[leaden rapids]

K

[tawdry bone]

which is very unlikely considering inazuma's 4 stars

[crimson oasis]

Doing rotation calcs made me realise how fucking low Yae's stats are

Kuki has better stats than Yae 😐

[crimson oasis]

broken yes, as in broken in the wrong way, as in she kinda sucks

[jovial bloom]

isn't today the beta patch ?

[crimson oasis]

P sure it has already happened and was just a yelan c2 update

[spice sundial]

what do you mean? what stats

[vernal crag]

I feel kuki is like thoma

[shrewd crescent]

No no

Shes not a bottom dweller

[tawdry bone]

she is tho

[shrewd crescent]

Silence

Shes good

She has healing

[little charm]

🗿

[mystic merlin]

Hasn't Kuki got changes in the beta this week? Only Yelan?

What would you guys change from Kukis kit to make her better?

[tired berry]

Not a pro theory crafter here but her burst seems useless damage wise, either make it viable or make her healing/E very good to compensate for her seeming basically unnecessary

Even though a physical build seems very viable, being the first Electro healer you’d think they’d focus on making it a smooth experience

[tawdry bone]

cope

[noble elbow]

they can't just
leave her like this right

someone at mihoyoverse has gotta be like

"yo shinobu is kinda bad"

someone has to

right

they won't just leave her like this

right

[spice sundial]

thoma

xinyan

[noble elbow]

please

they won't do it a third time

third time's the charm

[spice sundial]

tbf she's not as bad as xinyan
she will be decent in a few comps just don't expect to beat Fischl

[noble elbow]

that's the only thing i wanted before i heard about shinobu's particle generation :jug:

[shrewd crescent]

Just make E scale off hp for easy building or something idk

[glossy reef]

I have woken up the past few days to no Shinobu buffs
I am in agony

[blazing chasm]

can she do half the damage fischl does?

tbh that would be enough for me considering she's like a healer + aoe sub dps

[lunar zealot]

I would double her ult's tick rate, at least. Most constraining part of the kit, most disappointing returns right now, it's ridiculous and unfair.

[blazing chasm]

btw is her ascension passive flat damage bonus or dmg%?

[lunar zealot]

only part of the kit thats requires you to build ER, get an invested build with good artefacts, benefits from rare weapon (PJC), benefits the most from constellations (C4-5), asks you to play low health (2s to 3.5s is a big gap), asks you to keep an enemy in the area for 3.5sec

I like constraints in a character kit, but there need to be some pay off

[pallid iris]

is she better than other inazuma 4-stars at c0

[tawdry bone]

no

[unique sphinx]

As of now not really better than Sayu or Sara(if you ignore her chunkiness)

[tawdry bone]

same level as thoma I'd say

[main bay]

I mean sayu is S tier exploration and vv holder

[unique sphinx]

Ya she is probably the best inazuma 4 star

[lunar zealot]

and even with the c0 heal cap she heals way more anyway

[tawdry bone]

I'd argue gorou is the best inazuman 4star

[main bay]

Gorou and sara imo are very account specific

[tawdry bone]

yea they do one thing but they're pretty amazing at it

[lunar zealot]

situational doesnt mean bad

[unique sphinx]

He is as tailor made for Itto as Sara is for Raiden so he is very niche

[main bay]

Yea i didnt say bad

But on my account his value is 0

[tawdry bone]

I wouldn't mind kuki being niche as long as she's amazing at that niche

but what does kuki do?

[main bay]

for others his value is huge

[tawdry bone]

what's her "niche"?

[unique sphinx]

Heals and applies electro

[pallid iris]

sara is only good at c6, if she's not c6 lisa does a better job

[tawdry bone]

we already have a lot of both

[tired berry]

Her niche is Electro healer, that’s it

[rose tiger]

rn imo her niche is healer in a healerless taser comp

[main bay]

Sara is usesble at c0 and starts getting smooth at c2. C6 lisa is a whale character

[unique sphinx]

being an electro healer is all she is good at, but at just healing she isn't that good compared to other healers

[pallid iris]

gorou is pretty good in his niche tho

[lunar zealot]

cries in c0 Sara despite having c2 Raiden :)))

[pallid iris]

i have c2 sara and c0 raiden

[tired berry]

If she’s built specifically for healing while ignoring the rest of her kit, is she still pretty average at that too?

[pallid iris]

i'm talking about c0 lisa > c5 sara

[lunar zealot]

i did spend the normal amount of wish to get this c2 raiden

4* can troll u hard

[pallid iris]

i got 3 saras, a xinyan, and 4 weapons on raidens banner :/ no bennett even he was the only unit i wanted

[main bay]

Agree to disagree

[lunar zealot]

just plain wrong imo

[main bay]

Kuki atm only sure thing is her healing

[pallid iris]

lisa's ttds + def shred is a bigger damage bonus than sara's atk buff

on raiden at least

[main bay]

There are alot of offield electro aplliers atm

Better batteries

[pallid iris]

and it ain't even good 💀

mihoyo did kuki dirty by putting multiple roles onto her but being good at none

[unique sphinx]

She has off field electro with her E (100% uptime at C2) but her icd kinda prevents it from procing reactions too quick, Q is a amber burst but electro and with lesser hits, her E dmg scales with atk while her Q dmg with hp which makes her split scaling which kinda sucks, she also has EM scaling with her A4 passive making things more complicated

[tired berry]

So she’s a jack of all trades and master of none sigh Hoyoverse you had one job, give us just one universal 4* from Inazuma

[pallid iris]

yeah but not like diona

who is actually good in her roles, just not great

[tawdry bone]

not even a jack of all trades she does nothing THAT good 😭

[tired berry]

They clearly know how, look at Yun Jin, but for some reason the Inazuma 4* are so lacklustre in comparison

[pallid iris]

kuki is straight up average in her roles

[tawdry bone]

average is an overstatment

[tired berry]

This is exactly why I’m coping hard for Dendro reactions, this is a mess at this point 🥲

[lunar zealot]

jack of all trades but master of none usually means that it is decent at all these "trades" she is not

[unique sphinx]

Ya...another weird part of her kit which does not make sense is that she loses 30% hp on casting her E without much payoff for it

[lunar zealot]

she is weak at all of them

[pallid iris]

i hope that intensify will buff electro

[tawdry bone]

idk man, I don't feel a reaction can make a bad character a good one

[tired berry]

But aren’t her NA good even with a physical build? They’re similar to Jean’s

[unique sphinx]

Ya Sayu does more dmg and healing while also providing VV

[pallid iris]

but i heard that the multipliers for the reaction have been nerfed

[tired berry]

If they’re anywhere near (not necessarily equal) to vape or melt then that’s a huge difference, like major

[pallid iris]

and very continuous swirling

[tawdry bone]

idk how Sayu is shit tbh since she has access to swirl reactions

[main bay]

Pretty sure that was an april fools joke

[tired berry]

It wasn’t

😭

[pallid iris]

it was clarified that it wasn't 💀

[spice sundial]

Sayu's so good that's why everyone is using her

[pallid iris]

i just hope that the original multipliers were like 5x or something

and were nerfed down to 2.5x idk

[tired berry]

My only guess on why they’d nerf the reaction is because Electro already has high scaling

[unique sphinx]

Jean exists so she gets undermined by her but as a Jeanless player sayu is a very good unit to build

[tired berry]

Kuki is probably the first with really low scalings, but imagine someone like Raiden or Yae or Fischl getting a Vape/Melt level reaction - it would break meta

[pallid iris]

i just need kusanali and raiden to work well together that's all i ask

[unique sphinx]

he confirmed that the nerfing part was not a joke

[main bay]

Just reread

[tawdry bone]

is she a good enough healer with an EM build? Sayu

[pallid iris]

that's why dendro is there to not make electro bad

[tawdry bone]

that's why I'm not expecting anything big from dendro reactions, one mistake and it could fuck up the game

[main bay]

So if that nerf of overdose was real, that means dendro is in the current beta?

[pallid iris]

yes

[unique sphinx]

well as long as you can have enough atk her heals are really good even with triple EM artifacts

[main bay]

Well that is interesting

[tired berry]

Poor Kuki will probably be another experiment that’s discarded

[tawdry bone]

I thought she heals with EM?

[tired berry]

I still think it’ll buff Electro, but not by much considering how broken some units would be

[tawdry bone]

or it just flat bonus?

[unique sphinx]

we still have 2 beta updates lets hope she gets some much needed buffs

[main bay]

Because its unlikely dendro goes live before 3.0, so to put in beta now, maybe there is something to the dendro cope

[pallid iris]

i think it still would, at least 1.5x multipliers

[unique sphinx]

That's only after C6

[tired berry]

Well if Hoyoverse listens to feedback (hello Yae beta) they’d perhaps avoid some mistakes lol

[blazing chasm]

electro sub dps that can heal, exactly what itto needed for a crystallize comp

[tired berry]

That would be great actually

[pallid iris]

mmm raiden+kusanali best combo in the game incoming

[unique sphinx]

well Yae was even worse at the start of the Beta so they would definitely fix something

[main bay]

Well i guess we just wait

I do hope there is a plan that we cant see

[unique sphinx]

welp time to wait for 3.1 to happen then

[tired berry]

I’m referring to them ignoring feedback about her playstyle, slow casting and resistance to interruption

[main bay]

She is an cool character and id like to see her be used

[pallid iris]

yeah ☹️

[tawdry bone]

"sub dps" 💀

[pallid iris]

i hope they'll release a dendro character who perfectly fits kuki

but what kit would perfectly fit kuki

[blazing chasm]

I don't think she needs great damage in that comp tbh

[tired berry]

One that’s tailor made for Electro reactions, that would be even better

[unique sphinx]

true, I am coping that they fix that alongside her targeting

[main bay]

Impossible to say without knowing what the reaction is

[tired berry]

If any of that happens it’ll probably be alongside a rerun, let’s cope till then

[pallid iris]

if we assume a 1.5x multiplier onto electro dmg

[main bay]

Then kuki would not be the biggest beneficiary

[pallid iris]

well yeah

[unique sphinx]

me too, I really like her design, so it would be great if she was good(building and playing her would be easier then)

[unique sphinx]

That's just reverse melt and vape all over again

[pallid iris]

well yeah it's supposed to be

to fix the problem with electro

[unique sphinx]

I'd rather have def shred

[main bay]

But again why the life drain mechanic

Whats it there to balance

[pallid iris]

that would maybe be something like overgrow

[unique sphinx]

electro is looking like an element focused on energy and ignoring defenses especially with the new electro characters

[main bay]

Why ignoring defenses?

[unique sphinx]

Raiden C2,Yae C6 and Lisa A4

[last flare]

Lisa, Raiden, Yae Miko

[main bay]

What about ayaka and klee def shred

[tawdry bone]

I saw her design and I was like "damn I'm building her for sure" and then I saw her kit

biggest disappointment i've had

[unique sphinx]

same..

tbh if her E didn't have icd then that alone would have made her much better

[last flare]

it's the Magic color pie all over again. It's a balance between giving all elements good tools, but also giving them an identity

I'm building her anyway, probably won't use her in Abyss, still sounds ton of funs against Bosses

[unique sphinx]

She does seem good in tazer teams that have kinda needed a character that can apply electro and heal

[tawdry bone]

and razor c4

[pallid iris]

i just realized that we know that intensify is nor transformative nor amplifying, meaning that it doesn't buff electro

however

another op option is intensify is dealing dmg equal to a % of an enemy's hp (which scales off em)

[lunar zealot]

and that's absolutely a great thing to me. I'd rather see interesting new kind of reactions than a boring new vape

[pallid iris]

same tbh

[lunar zealot]

swirl is interesting, unique and good

[pallid iris]

i just want it to be op and that's it

[lunar zealot]

if they make something as unique and good with dendro reactions it would be the best imo

[tawdry bone]

same

that's why I like electro reactions design wise since they're kinda unique

[median sapphire]

i love swirl

swirl best reaction

intensify should lower enemy electro and dendro res...

even if by like 10-15%

[unique sphinx]

Just 10-15 doesn't seem worth it

[median sapphire]

ye but mhy wont make it op

[lunar zealot]

lowering res is not swirl it's 4VV

just sayin

[median sapphire]

o yea but 4vv already does lower res

[unique sphinx]

Ya... just make an op dendro artifact

[unique sphinx]

but just res shred of that low of an amount sucks

[lunar zealot]

but even without 4VV swirl is interesting for the quadratic aspect against groups, for the ability to chain other reaction procs, for the fact it always procs from the anemo char EM

[median sapphire]

what if it just does a huge amount aoe dmg

[shrewd crescent]

destiny 2 Volatile

[simple cypress]

let me tell you about Sayu

[tiny sedge]

Why is it common to see many say Inazuma 4* is all bad ? I think current release only Thoma is not so strong but other 3 Sara Gorou Sayu is still good character

[median sapphire]

they're not bad, just harder to slot into team comps than earlier 4*s since they get beaten in most comps by chars like bennett

[simple cypress]

the bar for 4 stars were set too high and now expectations are way up there

[tiny sedge]

It is weird, because both of Gorou in Itto team can have Bennett and Sara hyper for Raiden also have Bennett with her..

Start of game 4* is all so strong though Bennett Xingqiu Sucrose Xiangling Fischl Beidou

[shrewd crescent]

Why are you referring to yourself in the third person

[simple cypress]

let me tell you about Sayu does not talk the way you think let me tell you about Sayu does

[tiny sedge]

Sayu mains ♥️

She seem like people misunderstand her character often

I think Kuki current build is at Thoma level ? Of one specific job but little other damage and a utility

[simple cypress]

yeah.. very undervalued and is cursed by the "budget jean" label

[shrewd crescent]

No she's not a bottom dweller

[tiny sedge]

In Ayato TC Sayu is very common character in sheets because do more damage than Jean

[tiny sedge]

🥲 I think it is sadly

[shrewd crescent]

[simple cypress]

kuki can heal + electro app + tom buff + maybe battery.. not too bad. just ignore her damage or hope full EM works

[shrewd crescent]

I'll make her the the very best, like no one ever was

[tiny sedge]

I bring 70 Barbara in this abyss she is provide enough 🙃

[shrewd crescent]

Get rid of the em. Seriously this "set up" for dendro is stupid. Why Don't they just do it when dendro comes out

[simple cypress]

i'm on overload hopium

[warped saddle]

That's the spirit

[shrewd crescent]

I just need one of 2 things. Jade Cutter or hp scaling on her E damage.

And MV "nerfs" to compensate

Cause E scaling on hp rn would be broken

[warped saddle]

I don't hold such hope within myself

[tiny sedge]

I farm Tenacity/Pale Flame domain now... Either get okay support, or build physical DPS, because of fun animations

[median sapphire]

that would be like electro koko e

but hp

[shrewd crescent]

I'm farming Tenacity and PF both for Kuki

[median sapphire]

initial leaked koko e but its electro

[shrewd crescent]

I have 2 builds I wanna try with her

[tiny sedge]

Kokomi be very good if it is HP also in E

[shrewd crescent]

It would make building her so much easier but nooooo

[simple cypress]

oh yea i forgot thats the same domain.. that's convenient resin efficient kuki farming

[shrewd crescent]

Shes a 4 star

[shrewd crescent]

And Eula farming since she needs an improvement for me at least (even though her ratios are stable)

[tiny sedge]

I never build a physical before so maybe Kuki is first to me 🙃

[median sapphire]

superconduct kuki

[tiny sedge]

Her NA is slightly weaker from Kaeya so it is not too strong

[shrewd crescent]

It's similar to Jean so there's that

[median sapphire]

from what i can see, kuki might be able to support eula

if diona is unavailable maybe

[simple cypress]

but kaeya doesn't look as good holding pjc.. that's an important distinction we cannot overlook

[shrewd crescent]

That was one of the first things I wanted to focus on instead of Mono electro

[tiny sedge]

There is no video of her NA fighting many enemies or big enemies right ? If throwing attack hit multiple times, or hit multiple enemies?

[shrewd crescent]

Drip Kuki > Kaeya

I need to ask Noir to check my phys Kuki build

[tiny sedge]

Kuki Superconduct Eula if Diona is in Ganyu/Ayaka team in second half

[shrewd crescent]

Shes solo so it's not much but still

[tiny sedge]

Though, I think even Fischl + Clam Qiqi is better

Clam Qiqi does very good if Superconduct + Eula E give phys shred

Fischl/Raiden I mean also

[shrewd crescent]

[tiny sedge]

So hard to find niche

[pastel brook]

so can someone explain kuki's issues to me like i'm 5?

[tawdry bone]

everything

[violet cove]

Mhy must really be planning ahead for Dendro reactions or Dendro resonance, Dendro Electro increasing Elemental mastery wld be the only way Yae & Shinobu's passives will make sense...

[tawdry bone]

Not until you eat the broccoli

[pastel brook]

[tiny sedge]

Bad damage, Average heal, No other utility, split scaling, below average energy, standard ICD, better alternative for comfort taser/Eula team. Cannot even heal for co op members. Useless A4, Useless constellation beside C2. HP drain herself for low benefit at all. Damage is so bad need Defense sword to improve E

[median sapphire]

low dmg

[shrewd crescent]

And then it turns out to be underwhelming as hellm

[median sapphire]

like really low dmg

[shrewd crescent]

That's why I'd rather they just release dendro then do all this em electro stuff

[tawdry bone]

don't forget the HP that gets reduced each time you use the skill

for no apparent benefit

[shrewd crescent]

You get more healing at below 50%

Also this is a joke

[tawdry bone]

Yeah how to fuck does you heal her when she gets too low?

[tiny sedge]

Play Kuki in co op, lower your own Hp, heal no co op friends, and heal yourself to lower your own damage

[tawdry bone]

Are you just supposed to... wait with her onfield? lmao

[shrewd crescent]

You bring her out to heal herself man idk

[tiny sedge]

You E -> Q and should get 1 tick of heal to keep alive

[shrewd crescent]

I want to know the thought process behind the creation of Kuki tbh

[tiny sedge]

Other situation it is Q -> E

[tawdry bone]

there probably isn't one

[tawdry bone]

It's like looking at the face of an angel. Some things can't be understood by humans.

[tiny sedge]

[tawdry bone]

[shrewd crescent]

[tiny sedge]

Writing out list of every flaw make me so sad to see it at once

[shrewd crescent]

Great now I need Jade Cutter

For drip.

[violet cove]

IDK, Ayato's e dmg gained from HP scaling is really good isn't it? so surely they didn't pull Yae & Kuki's EM scaling out of thin air maybe..

[shrewd crescent]

And damage but mainly drip

[median sapphire]

ayato's hp scaling still loses to atk tho

[tawdry bone]

Mihoyo masterplan to make people whale on the weapon banner has been unveiled.

[last flare]

...you can't go under 20% HP when using her skill, it's a balancing act. Get under 50% HP, heal more, burst for more hits, one healing tick during the sequence, rinse and repeat

[tiny sedge]

Ayato it is fine, Yae it is below average bonus, Kuki it is bad

[median sapphire]

EYOOOO wait what if intensity boosts your em

[tiny sedge]

Dendro resonance give 100 EM stats for free 🙃

[violet cove]

No I use ATK sands ofc but I mean his base HP + substats

[median sapphire]

oh yea

it just bonus dmg

[shrewd crescent]

Maybe. Expecting the worst but hoping for the best. Besides I find it weird that they'd want to increase the damage of their healer with a dendro reaction that scales off em. Maybe a reason they won't buff her?

[tiny sedge]

Level 90 iron sting give 125 flat heals as example

It is bad

[median sapphire]

intensify should either boost your em or increase the dmg enemies take from reactions

[tiny sedge]

Where is name Intensify from

Is there any leak in Dendro reaction

[lunar zealot]

yes for sure, Mihoyo LOVES to make unconditional and universally useful stat buffs on resonances like cryo giving crit, and electro giving ER. Wait no they dont, only pyro reso is like that

[tiny sedge]

I think Cryo it is fine. Electro it is not

It is good but if it is ER it is very good

[median sapphire]

leaks

[shrewd crescent]

I keep saying it's gonna be Volatile from Destiny 2. That's definitely not because I want Electro Clam bubble pops

[lunar zealot]

cryo is not fine bcz it is very limited in what comp it can be useful. while Pyro has no condition

[median sapphire]

tbh if cryo wasnt limited, it'll probably be better than pyro

[shrewd crescent]

Also realistically it's probably superconduct but for electro

[median sapphire]

that it's better

[lunar zealot]

electro is not fine either, gameplay dependant, cant work with electro + anemo+geo comp, almost only benefits electro characters, meanwhile pyro, well you got my point

[tiny sedge]

Cryo resonance is still strong... Still do team builds and balance with considering it

[lunar zealot]

it's strong yes, when it can be used? if it is used, is it better than pyro? yes and no, crit rate is harder to find than atk, more rare (ty bennett) thus more valuable, but is it giving more stat than 25ATK% no. maintstats crit rate are 31%, atk% are 46.6%, so pyro reso gives more stat anyway, unconditionally

pyro res gives more than half a main stats worth of value, cryo less

[tawdry bone]

What if intensify is pyro+dentro and what is intensified is the flames /j

[tiny sedge]

Maybe it is just Pyro too strong while others it is balanced 🙃

[tawdry bone]

iirc at least one dendro reaction was related to mushrooms or spores or something like that.

Coping for electro mushroom that buffs em.

[median sapphire]

creates mushroom cloud that increases ur em while inside

uhhh what if it makes melt/vape not meta

[lunar zealot]

electro reso not working with mono electro teams

[tawdry bone]

inside the cloud is not only EM that will be high

[tiny sedge]

Even if it is buff EM , unless give 1000 EM it is not significant to Kuki scaling 🙃

[tawdry bone]

True

Unless theres EM Cinnabar coming in the future or something...

[tiny sedge]

If would be more of buff to f2p Kazuha 😅

[tawdry bone]

Or monster melt Bennett

[tiny sedge]

I will probably give Sacrificial to Kuki even if it is r1

Unless have Jade Cutter or Freedom Sworn none of swords have useful stats

[tawdry bone]

Maybe she will become a guaranteed permanent free character in the future and that's why she got the Aloy treatment

[lunar zealot]

tbh we have no premanent free character from inazuma, mihoyo is so stinky

[tawdry bone]

Seriously tho, I will just vote with my wallet and skip. Numbers aside it just seems like a very poorly thought out kit to me

[lunar zealot]

with this

[tiny sedge]

Is there idea for what is other banner 2.7 than Yelan

[tawdry bone]

Itto

[tiny sedge]

If I like 5* character I will try

[tawdry bone]

Probably Itto Gorou Kuki Not Razor

[tiny sedge]

It is only Itto so far ? Maybe chance for Klee ?

[tawdry bone]

Nope just Itto

[tiny sedge]

[tawdry bone]

Klee is supposed to be in 2.8 with Yoimiya and Kaz

[tiny sedge]

Then between of Yelan and Itto I hope Kuki be onto Yelan banner

[tawdry bone]

Probably first banner because the first abyss bonus seems made for Klee

and floor 11 has bonus pyro dmg%

[tiny sedge]

I see thank you

Weird to not have 2 rerun again

[tawdry bone]

There's also the thing Uba said about Xiao maaaaybe rerunning again

[lunar zealot]

we dont know, sus leaks are sus for a reason

especially when it comes to banners

[warped saddle]

If it's only itto with kuki ...I might be sad cuz I already c1 itto

[tiny sedge]

Okay, really wish it is onto Klee but don't know

I have full build Noelle already, will not use Itto if I get him

[rare forum]

should i go with kukis build for 2pc maiden 2ocean hued or 2maiden/ocean and tenacity? or what are her best artifs at least for now

[tawdry bone]

Tenacity because of the buff imho

[median sapphire]

4 tenacity i think

since it makes it so she can consistently buff team mates

[rare forum]

okie

also which sword will work well? i have haran and skyward and also few more but idk for which one should i go

[tiny sedge]

For weapon having sacrificial sword is good for short rotation, or fav for team energy

[rare forum]

yikes i dont have neither of them..sadly

[mental topaz]

Which team is looking to be better dps wise?
Eula Rosa Shenhe Kuki
Eula Rosa ZL Yae

This is something that’s been on my mind for awhile now

[dapper gulch]

probably eula/rosa/zl/yae but i would recommend replacing yae with another electro applicator since shes very single target without her burst, and unbatteried she doesnt get her burst a lot

raiden is the best choice there obv but fischl and kuki would work well in that spot too

[serene sonnet]

Yeah replace Yae by Lisa 🙂

[calm ice]

Just pls give her ult some kind of utility

[charred nebula]

how well would kuki work with ayato

[pastel brook]

there are no calcs for it yet but some people are interest in sheeting it iirc come back in a few days

[charred nebula]

oki dokie :]

[glad harness]

Im going to do shenhe rosaria kazuha and phys kuki.

her attack animation is so nice

[icy granite]

Phys Kuki is a thing?

[serene sonnet]

It is something

[tiny sedge]

Not strong but it is good animations 🙃

[hollow cairn]

what if yun jin instead of kazu

[tiny sedge]

I think problem for yun jin with Kuki is Kuki has only 4 hit animation, very small amount from any other sword. She is not get to use stacks as well....

Probably it is still better than Kazuha

[glad harness]

The team is like 20% dmg max from kuki. Majority of the dmg is still cryo, so kazuha is for grouping and boosting shenhe + rosaria dmg.

[tiny sedge]

Oh, it make sense . Just have Kuki as for fun, but other character is better than her

[hollow cairn]

mm i see

[glossy reef]

Did I hear Phys Kuki?

[glad harness]

phys kuki

I can't do cals... but the team has -75% phys shred!

[hollow river]

the only buff i really want to see to kuki is give her Ele skill stagger resist for active char

it would give her amazing synergy with Yelan

since Yelan's only disadv. v XQ is her lack of stagger resist so giving kuki stagger resist to nullify that would be huge

but it also might be too much of a buff since stagger resist on a healer could make her util crazy

[vocal tulip]

bennett needs competition

[hollow river]

I mean yunjin exists

I think yunjin is a good path to giving benny competition

adding characters that beat him as buffers in specific niches

I dont really consider bennett a healer tho tbh what makes him a 20* char isnt even his healing

[vocal tulip]

he has the best utility of all characters

and he's really good at all of them

[hollow river]

yeah BUT the healing is one of his lower value points in the grand scheme even if he is the best hps char too lol

which is kinda why i want kuki to have stagger resist

cuz it would give her a unique healer value point over her competition

stagger resist shouldn't be undervalued since it's a major point that differentiates ZL from healers like Kokopium

[vocal tulip]

same

[hollow river]

well hes stagger immunity which is on another level

but her adding stagger resist would still be huge for her

[vocal tulip]

there's nothing as 'too crazy/huge' especially when you can compare them to bennett

[hollow river]

well the issue comes from the precedence of them trying to kinda of antipowercreep i think? like make new chars lower in powerlevel than existing chars but still offer a niche overall

like if kuki had too much stagger resist (if they add it which they wont lol) then she might 'powercreep' kokomi in a way as a healer

since kokomi's healing really isnt that valuable imo since not dying isnt as good as not getting staggered in this game

[vocal tulip]

i want powercreep, lowkey am tired of relying on bennett for buffs. Yelan is a step in the right direction at pushing xq out of popular usage

[hollow river]

xq will still be as popular it's just that yelan will be used on the other team

[vocal tulip]

afaik stagger resist values are the same but it's just the duration that's different

[hollow river]

it's just 2 xqs or an option to run alt-xq lol

maybe they're the same but ik they stack

[vocal tulip]

it's been over a year and b, xq & xl are still meta

[hollow river]

cuz xq + ht is more stagger resist than just ht E

[vocal tulip]

yeah they do

[hollow river]

ye i think there should be more alternate options to existing chars but not necessarily powercreep them

like Yelan is an alt to XQ and yunjin is an alt to bennett for NA teams

they just need ult bennett and ele skill bennett and we're set

[vocal tulip]

if they do introduce powercreep, they should start off with the launch characters

[hollow river]

i do wish that theyd powercreep batteries tho cuz they keep making all new chars have er issues or be bad batteries (or batteries with caveat like needing sac with yelan)

if kuki could battery she'd actually be a massive char

but she is an amazing fav user at least

so close enough ig

[vocal tulip]

lmfao they already did with raiden

[hollow river]

well raiden is an omnibattery like venti not rly what i mean

i mean making supports generate more particles again

cuz they keep releasing supps like kuki and koko