kuki-theorycrafting

[crude summit]

no access and also i have my own template already

[tiny sedge]

It is strange for quickswap team, but Fischl is just better upgrade ? Still provide more damage and have ToTM if really want it, but not recommend. Do not need heal , because Zhongli is strong shield

[small turtle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dGHRqxzKdTQYtBlHgh1DisWZXxAoHblGQ-vckFynYH8/edit?usp=sharing

38k

on par with the fischl variant

[tardy cosmos]

woah kuki make bigger damage than yae or raiden lmao

[small turtle]

[subtle finch]

Prayge beta testers notice how underwhelming she is

[torpid oak]

Bold of you to assume they won’t just play with the new shiny 5*

[small turtle]

zoom is on high cope

[tardy cosmos]

I'm sorry but this is not mere high cope, this is advanced cope

[small turtle]

[tardy cosmos]

noir I want to copy ur sheet because I want to test def kuki

[small turtle]

i wonder if ill be like that when heizou underperforms

[subtle finch]

I do not consent

[tardy cosmos]

so now you HAVE to make a sheet with def cinna kuki

[subtle finch]

Didn’t maxi do that already

Or someone

[small turtle]

maxi did

[tardy cosmos]

with dilc

oh well

imma make myself

diluc thoma kuki venti

wait do we know if kuki's skill reaches venti's burst

[lunar zealot]

beginner of all trades, jack of none i'd say

[spice sundial]

you are adding instead of multiplying the enemy res on kuki' burst

[small turtle]

done

a 300 dmg up

[cloud ermine]

4pc millelith is bis?

[dry warren]

why is Husk an option?

r u guys running Cinnabar Spindle or smth?

[lunar zealot]

that's one of the ways to improve her damages from very bad to bad yes

[dry warren]

so what you're saying is

go full DEF build?

😂

[lunar zealot]

personally id not advice it

[dry warren]

I'll just try Dark Iron Sword
the 3star weapon

[lunar zealot]

I think giving up heal that much is not good. If I go cinnabar id still go hp sands

[dry warren]

Cinnabar with 4p Tenacity, full HP stats

[lunar zealot]

full HP doesnt really make sense to me, especially with cinnabar

if u dont go elec goblet, but go hp goblet, then u are going full healing and want HB on circlet

if u dont go Elec% on goblet, why even go cinnabar

[dry warren]

just an option

[lunar zealot]

tbh, just slap whatever on her

[dry warren]

atm I'm just thinking between Dark Iron and Favonius
4p Tenacity

[lunar zealot]

at this point

[dry warren]

kuki is just too weak compare to Fischl tbh

unless they made her dmg scale of HP instead of ATK, that would work out better

[lunar zealot]

4p tenacity or 4p Noblesse are the best. at least you can improve the damages of those who have some real MVs

[dry warren]

true

just hope they buff Kuki instead of all out on Yelan

[lunar zealot]

tbh, earlier I was on big copium, though Kuki could be useful in some double hydro taser team.

then I remembered why i started to play Clam on Sayu

because you can just switch the solo electro for a sayu, have 2 anemos so sayu can hold clam, have 2 anemo so they dont have energy issue and clam on Sayu deals more than having double swirls on your anemo.

[dry warren]

dont u need a lot of ATK to have high heals on Sayu?

[lunar zealot]

yup, I have a WGS. and some day maybe, Ill have her C6 let's hope

[dry warren]

she probably be on Itto banner alongside Kuki and Gorou

unless she reappears early

[lunar zealot]

i dont want itto, well whatever, i have terrible luck on 4* since game launch anyway. the hope was a lie

[tawdry bone]

That reminds me, someone said next Monday and Tuesday are chinese holidays, so it's possible there will be no update tomorrow.

[grizzled elk]

I am a Black Chinese in Singapore

I don't recall a holiday

[tawdry bone]

Then just prepare to be disappointed when only Yelan gets changes on Monday

#958686317158469653 message <- This is what I meant

[grizzled elk]

You know

Knowing mihoyo they wouldn't even know how fucking stupidly busted yelan already is

And give her q 18/18

[main bay]

And when you do, your reward will be lower healing and dmg

The thing is i dont remember them ever making big kit changes in beta

Not like adding a whole utility

[tawdry bone]

Nobody knows where the power budget went

Yelan stole it I guess

[lost dock]

Yeah this kinda happens all the time with mihoyo 🙂

They give almost all the attention to the most popular unit

[tawdry bone]

So, in terms of "big" changes I can recall some. Kokomi's E ICD removal, and Raiden's Q strikes becoming burst damage.

And in terms of 4*... biggest I remember is them fiddiling a bit with Rosaria's E cooldown and scaling

So, it's not looking good

[lost dock]

I was in kokomi mains since the beginning and every time I hear that I’m like 99% sure it was just revealed that it had no icd

[tawdry bone]

I remember it being initially revealed as having normal ICD and then it being removed very late during the beta.

[lost dock]

The thing about kokomi was that she didn’t get much leaks. So we didn’t know if her skill had no icd or if she did

We barely knew how she would turn out 🙂

[tawdry bone]

#791659074253094933 message

[lost dock]

Ok but do we have info on kokomi’s icd prior 🙂

No we don’t

[tawdry bone]

#791659074253094933 message

ABC64 tested it

[lost dock]

Ok ig I’m wrong

[green wave]

yelan also stole the animation budget it seems/nsrs

[lost dock]

Why are we talking about budget 🙂

This is mihoyo

Billion dollar company

[green wave]

🤷

[dry warren]

a billion dollar company who dgaf about anni giving players shitty rewards

[lost dock]

Actually you’re right

They probably do have a budget 🙂

That’s just how most gaming companies

Are

but genshin is just kinda worse

[placid pine]

Is she even that popular though

[vivid marlin]

Pls don’t doompost

[placid pine]

When will they make the 4*s right

[placid pine]

Is it a doom post...

[vivid marlin]

Ye

[placid pine]

Just referencing twt likes compared to others

[vivid marlin]

Ig

[placid pine]

Let's change it to not as popular as

[vivid marlin]

👍

[tardy cosmos]

yunjin is very nice power budget wise

[pastel brook]

[grizzled elk]

Asked my gf, Tuesday isn't a holiday but is the qingming festival

The tomb sweeping day basically

[placid pine]

Hutao day

[grizzled elk]

So we should have a beta update tomorrow if it's tomorrow

[tawdry bone]

Imagine working on Hutao day smh

[scenic gale]

No b

[tawdry bone]

Maybe it can hit buried dendro smiles.

[tardy cosmos]

dendro reaction

believe in dendro

[dry warren]

denbro reaction

[tawdry bone]

I wonder how Kuki compares to shield Beidou in terms of team survivability.

[dry warren]

simple

can c6 Beidou tank Shogun 1hit kill? No
can c6 Kuki tank Shogun 1hit kill? Yes

[tawdry bone]

Can't believe Kuki powercreeps Raiden.

[crimson oasis]

how're we coping today fellas

[tawdry bone]

poorly

[lunar zealot]

cope = hope for buff. except for that it's just sour despair

i dont think anyone is advocating for Kuki in her current state anymore tbh

[grizzled elk]

Tf diluc calcs are disappointing as fuck for the fact it's kuki alone pulling everything down

[rigid hazel]

Hey guys, is kuki dmg enough to build as sup dps? Or is her sup dps dmg like thoma and xinyan? In that case I will just go full healing build or phys dps build

[tawdry bone]

Go phys DPS ig

She has cool animations

[rigid hazel]

Alright, I know how to build phys dps

How a bout healer build, what is recommended weapon amd artifact mainstat?

Festering desire maybe?

[tawdry bone]

hp/hp/hb, sac sword to free her from 15sec rotations, totm for some extra healing and team buffs

[rigid hazel]

I see, thanks!

She will just steal some of my zhongli artifact then

[vocal tulip]

3 second downtime at c0 so why sac?

may as well stick to festering

[shrewd crescent]

Jack of all trades. Good at everything. Master of none. Good at dragging teams down too

[tawdry bone]

So you can refresh it earlier at convenience

[rigid hazel]

I like the color scheme of festering desire on her so probably will use it for aesthetic!

[grizzled elk]

You know how she's literally the one carrying itto's gang in every conceivable way?

Every way except ingame

[shrewd crescent]

We don't talk about that

[grizzled elk]

[tawdry bone]

coping her E means HP% Cinnabar is becoming a thing soon

[rigid hazel]

Oh yeah, any news about her particale generation? Is it still 4 particles?

[shrewd crescent]

You mean Jade Cutter?

[tawdry bone]

Hah! no. I mean literal HP Cinnabar, both substat and passive

[shrewd crescent]

[rigid hazel]

Jade or favonia for her phys build? Jade increase skill and burst dmg but she can trigger effect of favonia by self hurt

[shrewd crescent]

Just get the premium version

[rigid hazel]

Aesthetic wise jade win tho

[shrewd crescent]

Actually I want to calculate this now

Hp Cinnabar

[shrewd crescent]

Try sheeting it

I feel like you could go Jade 4pc PF and be done with it

[rigid hazel]

Nah my monke brain cant

Yeah

[shrewd crescent]

But Favonia and its stats. Man now I wanna do m a t h

[rigid hazel]

It would also be cool everytime she do her skill favonia effect trigger lol

[shrewd crescent]

Hoyoverse won't bless us with that

[crimson oasis]

how are her NA modifiers in comparison to other charas?

[main bay]

[tawdry bone]

Dunno about frames, that's the important part

Numbers look almost identical to Jean, but the charge attack is weaker

But without mv/s for the different combos the comparison is meaningless anyway

[tired berry]

Can Aquila Favonia be acquired on the Standard Banner/Weapon 50-50?

[tawdry bone]

yes

[rigid hazel]

Kuki kunai one shot show case

[lunar zealot]

I might actually go Phys Kuki for the lolz

screw numbers at this point

[crimson oasis]

Tru

[lunar zealot]

I just 36*ed without bennet nor xingqiu, with qiqi and barbara, as a f2p. why bother with numbers in Genshin tbh

[crimson oasis]

I don't 36* because my account isn't that old

I need actual maths and skill to get me thru abyss

[fossil stag]

does kuki E follow standard ICD

[lunar zealot]

new rotation is your time to reach 36* we believe. it's been months we didnt get an abyss rotation as easy as this one

[small turtle]

yep

both her E and Q are standard icd

[fossil stag]

damn wouldve been fire if her E at least didnt have standard ICD

[midnight sapphire]

Is jade cutter kuki's BiS?

[crimson oasis]

Either jc or sac sword

depends on your rotation

JC is like >20% stronger in terms of damage and has somewhat larger heals, but like her damage isn't even all that good anyways even with jc

Sac sword means you can have E be up 100% of the time even when your team doesn't rotate in 15 secs or 30 secs (or play irregular rotations)

[civic bay]

Which stat does kuki's healing scales of?

EM?

[crimson oasis]

If you didn't use sac sword and are, say, on a 20 sec rotation.. Your 2nd and 3rd rotation will look different from the 1st because of that 15sec timing on her E. 4th rotation is normal again because 3x20 is 60 which is an increment of 15

max hp with an additive 75% of EM

[civic bay]

Ill use sac sword on her since i got 2 r5s alrdy

Or maybe the craftable inazuma one if its good...bcus jt looks good

[crimson oasis]

I only have 1 sac sword but it's unused anyways. Xq more often than not is running fav these days

[fierce echo]

is Freedom Sworn still predicted to be the BiS

nvm

i just scrolled

[shrewd crescent]

[wraith harbor]

[tardy cosmos]

I think this will make the most sense since she's a support

[tawdry bone]

Freedom Sworn Totm EM EM EM is the only build that makes any sense to me

[lunar zealot]

HB HP HP heals more tbh

[tawdry bone]

Sure it does, but it just seems pointless to me.

Either the EM EM EM healing is plenty or you're taking so much damage that HP HP HB is not gonna help

[lunar zealot]

hoping to get some damages through EM seems even more pointless to me tbh

well, to be honest, artifacts are whatever

just give her TotM and freedom Sworn if you have it

all you gotta know

[long frigate]

how good is shinbou's healing?

[real yoke]

decent as far as i’ve seen might not be enough for clam but it’s not bad

[tawdry bone]

If you fully build for it, should be around 4.5k-5k range

So only a bit worse than a Bennett not built for healing

Which is plenty

[main bay]

idk why they do some of these chars so dirty

[long frigate]

in total for her E ?

[tawdry bone]

Per tick

[long frigate]

which does it how many times?

seems like a lot

[lunar zealot]

remember it's single target healing, on a build that does nothing else

[tawdry bone]

Should be 10 times at C2

[real yoke]

well not everyone can be the next bennett or xiangling must have some mediocrity

she also only heals active character right like diona

[long frigate]

still seems to be enough

[real yoke]

?

[tawdry bone]

yes, only active

[real yoke]

mm

[tawdry bone]

doesn0't work in co-op either

[long frigate]

if shes also a good battery and can get some value form clam

[tawdry bone]

4* particles on average on a 15CD cooldown

[main bay]

40% chance on particles

[regal epoch]

Why does kuki get a 40% chance when fischl has 66%

[tawdry bone]

Yelan took all the designer's brain juice and they don't even care anymore.

[real yoke]

[tawdry bone]

[lunar zealot]

im not buying on the 40% tbh, it's only a 200~ tries sample, and Uba didnt even give us his exact value to protect the tester

to me it's likely to be 50%

[real yoke]

based on

[main bay]

200 sample size isnt that small

[lunar zealot]

read just above

[lunar zealot]

it s not big numbers either

[tawdry bone]

It's plenty to determine big probabilities

[real yoke]

rather than trust actual tested data you have your own assumption? rather go with the tested even if small sample size

[lunar zealot]

and his result may very well be 43% for all we know, that he communicated as 40% to protect the tester

[little charm]

why triple em

[lunar zealot]

he said he cant give accurate numbers for that reason

[main bay]

It could also be 37 by that logic

[lunar zealot]

I never said I was sure it is 50%

[tawdry bone]

Terrible returns for everything else

[lunar zealot]

I said i dont buy the 40, and personally believe it will be 50

[lunar zealot]

it could

[little charm]

Returns in what? Healing or damage

[real yoke]

where

he didn’t even say exact 40 either that’s just the number going off

[lunar zealot]

in yelan or kuki's channel theorycrafting thread, dont remember, believe me or have fun scrolling.

[main bay]

He actually said a little above 40 iirc

[tawdry bone]

Damage, healing is not so bad

But it's okay healing with em em em too

[real yoke]

he just said “~40%” which could mean 38-45 or any range

[little charm]

can i see the numbers

[real yoke]

unless i’m looking at a diff message

[tawdry bone]

It's 0-100%

[tawdry bone]

Pinned sheet has them for a lot of builds

[main bay]

Well we nitpicking anyway. Its not 66

Moral of the story is she not batterying like fischl

I really like the design on this 4 star, so im gonna pull a copy regardless

[lunar zealot]

hope you get her in your first 100 pulls

[main bay]

Lol

Ive been pretty fortunate with the 4 stars so far

[real yoke]

same

and if itto and yoi rerun i will end up getting her anyway

[little charm]

is it reasoanble to use her as a replacement for fischl in a sucrose taser

[real yoke]

like sukokomon?

[little charm]

What

[lunar zealot]

the exact opposite of me

[real yoke]

sucrose taser as in a team like sukokomon?

[little charm]

That's a whole different team

[real yoke]

tho ig that team is more than taser

but why would kuki replace fischl in a taser comp

[main bay]

Sorry to hear that. Ive struggled to get thoma cons and gorou who im not interested in anyway atm

[real yoke]

unless you really needed a healer that badly, fischl still gonna be the better option afaik

[tawdry bone]

You guys still pull? smh

[little charm]

against the annoying ass dogs that's it really

[real yoke]

why not pulling?

[real yoke]

oh rt corrosion, yeh possibly

[main bay]

I dont know if she will be a good healer for corrosion

[lunar zealot]

think about it, who can be a healer in a taser team? anemos or kokomi, if you dont have kokomi, then anemos, if you get anemo as healer, you dont get anemo that pulls enemies or you get 2 anemos

[tawdry bone]

Gotta save for C6 Eula . Got C2 and 30k primos rn, I have a real shot at it.

[real yoke]

i wish you luck

[little charm]

Certainly better than having none

[tawdry bone]

[main bay]

I suppose so yea

[tawdry bone]

Thanks I'm gonna need it

[little charm]

or maybe I just need to git gud against the dogs w that team

[main bay]

U can dodge alot of the dogs attacks

The way they attack reminds me of the pyro hypostasis with the teleport explode

[real yoke]

i mean depends on who the hydro is in the comp, if kokomi or xq or barbs you’ll be alr. if mona or childe not so alright

[real yoke]

i’ve recently realized this

i was moving a lot and wondered why it took so long for them to hit me

[little charm]

I haven't played it against the dogs in a while so idk

[real yoke]

just had to play against them for a while to realize

[vocal tulip]

You must be high on naku weed to pull for her thinking she's going to be a decent electro main/subdps. Literally all of the current electros fulfil those roles. Accept that she's a healer and cope for dendro reactions boosting em instead of doing triple em builds

[little charm]

O 💀 I went straight to freeze teams for them

[lunar zealot]

welcome to this thread, nobody here believe she will be a decent main/subdps. again, welcome

[real yoke]

damn

[real yoke]

finally building my ganyu after 4 months i’ll have to test that out

[vocal tulip]

dump her into sunfire if you want to do an em copium build

[tawdry bone]

[shrewd crescent]

I tried seeing what was better for phys Kuki using the power of Pjc and Favonia

It was Favonius sword all along

But seriously though i think Favonia came out on top. I did forget to put in subs tho

[dry warren]

does any of Kuki's kit snapshots?

[tawdry bone]

All of it

[dry warren]

E snapshots?

like if I use it with Albedo/c6 Diona
she gets the EM Buff for the whole duration?

[tardy cosmos]

e doesnt iirc

uba said

[dry warren]

okay was wondering about it

and only Q snapshots

[tawdry bone]

oh right, only Q

[dry warren]

just gonna go 4p Tenacity with Favonius on her

[glad harness]

Isn't it all EM buffs are not snapshotable?

[tawdry bone]

Only when calculating transformative reactions

You can snapshot for melt but not for overload for example

Stuff like the A4 should snapshot if the skill itself snapshots I think

[glad harness]

I don't know any skill that can snapshot an EM buff. Kazuha C2 or Diona C6 buffs on field characters. And the buff will go away if the character is not on the field. So sadly Kuki probably won't get EM buff if she's not staying on field.

oh you're right. Amplifying reactions can snapshot EM.. wut?

[tawdry bone]

At first all reactions could

[glad harness]

I thought they changed them all

[tawdry bone]

Then a long time ago mhy claimed that snapshotting broke for transformatives but they liked it that way so they would not fix it

[glad harness]

my... kazuha C2 is much stronger than I expected.

[lost dock]

Yeah it does make a huge difference

[glad harness]

So, just to make elegy works...

[wraith harbor]

I think I've realized why the fuck Shinobu's kit is designed like this; Crystallize in Itto teams
hoyo logic is you won't be taking much damage from other sources because of those shields so shinobu heal should be enough dis probably wrong but I had to share this brain damage conjured conclusion

[tawdry bone]

Gorou healer and shielder tho

[wraith harbor]

precisely oml

wait

gorou burst ticks every 1.5...

same as shinobu skill ummm

[tawdry bone]

[wraith harbor]

funnily enough c2 gorou can extend his burst from 9s to exactly 12s by getting a shard from crystallize

that matches up almost too well

[carmine peak]

Am i sleeping on kuki as a eula pairing?

[tardy cosmos]

diona + fischl pair is just better no?

[carmine peak]

probably

im just bored of it

[tardy cosmos]

rather than say kuki + rosa

oh

yeah I think kuki should be fine

[carmine peak]

i want to run rosa and still get heals

[tardy cosmos]

there's nothing baltantly anti-synergy

[median sapphire]

I mean…she’ll work

If your Fischl is busy in another team than yea

I feel like her electro app being aoe has a slight advantage over oz being st

[lunar badge]

Does kuki scale with def?

I can't see anything saying that but in the pinned sheet she does more damage with def for some reason :/

[vivid marlin]

its because of an event weapon called "cinnabar spindle"

[lunar badge]

Ahh

Ok thanks

[vivid marlin]

it gives her E better scaling but you need to build def for that

[lunar badge]

I see

[vivid marlin]

i hope they buff her

cause needing cinnabar spindle to deal more E dmg is kinda sad

[lunar badge]

yeah me too

[tawdry bone]

No Kuki buffs

Buff Cinnabar instead

[vivid marlin]

albedo pic checks out

😂

[simple robin]

Heyy

Anyone know a decent kuki dps build?

[glossy reef]

I’ve been on the hunt as well

So far from what I’ve heard here, she has no DPS potential

[craggy yew]

jade cutter

then electro artifact

[simple robin]

Thundering pulse?

4pc

[fierce echo]

omg i only now realized she can actually be half decent with crystallize 😮

[craggy yew]

either TP or TF depends on lineup

or TF + glad/shime

you can even do physical dps

[glossy reef]

Physical would be better, no?

[orchid apex]

can kuki's daggers hit twice

like yae normal

[glossy reef]

Based on the spread, they’d have to be a larger target

[crimson oasis]

kuki more like

copi

[crimson oasis]

Check the pinned comments

There really is no potential kekw

cinnabar is the \best I could muster

and it's still garbage

[glossy reef]

My plan was Aquila with DEF build Yun Jin

[crimson oasis]

pjc's E damage is on par with cinnabar, Q is like 20% more than noblesse

which is like.. something?

But it's still really kind of bad

[vivid marlin]

Is triple em kuki copium?

[crimson oasis]

Yes because ec ownership is always a hot issue

and overload teams have never really been healthy

[vivid marlin]

Ah rip

[glossy reef]

I’m hoping DEF build Yun Jin can give Shinobu the boost she needs for DPS

I got C3 so

[crimson oasis]

I was considering MAYBE a EM-EM-HB clam kuki in ayato-xq-kuki-sucrose

but I can't calc that rotation because i understand jack shit of how to calc ayato

Also i'm pretty much the only one that's been providing maths on kuki so yeah it's not gonna happen soon methinks

[glossy reef]

You’re just built different

[vivid marlin]

Does kuki E snapshot?

[crimson oasis]

It does not

Q does

[glossy reef]

Is snapshotting good or bad?

[median sapphire]

Could be either

Snapshotting is usually good if you can get the buffs on at cast

But also means if you miss it then you don’t get the buffs

[crimson oasis]

in terms of health of the game it's bad

but in a narrow perspective snapshotting is usually good

[small turtle]

now we wait 12 more hours

🙏

[crimson oasis]

for?

[little forge]

Beta update, I suppose

[glossy reef]

Is April 4th Shinobu Buff Day?

[vivid marlin]

@crimson oasis would sucrose kuki xingqui xiangling be possible to run?
I heard ER req are higher w/o fischl but you can use xq if he’s free

[crimson oasis]

if kuki gets buffs, ping me so i can update the sheets

[little forge]

So what's your opinion on Kuki, guys? Is she currently bad?

[crimson oasis]

Yes

[median sapphire]

Buffs

[crimson oasis]

ER reqs for everyone will be higher yes. She doesn't battery nearly as well. She herself can get around never casting Q though because it's garbage

[little forge]

Sad to hear

[crimson oasis]

Also why would you just not use bennett

[little forge]

She has awesome design so I was looking forward to her release

[crimson oasis]

snapshotting xiangling, pyro res yada yada

[vivid marlin]

True

Im just kinda copecrafting rn

[crimson oasis]

Copecraft her for an EC team or an actual overload team

[glossy reef]

Just watch we’re gonna get Shinobu buffs and she’s gonna overtake Bennett

[crimson oasis]

That would require an entire kit rework

currently all she does is give heals

and not even good ones

[vivid marlin]

I just hope they give her E hp scaling instead of atk

Of just buff scalings overall

[little forge]

I still hope that some of her potential is hidden behind EM passive and we'll reveal it once dendro is out

[crimson oasis]

Yeah that's the only viable cope i'm also sensitive for

but also i'm a yae main so i was on that cope-train for a while now

[glossy reef]

Poor Yae mains

[little forge]

Yeah, these unexpected EM passives for two electro characters in a row may have some meaning in the future

[crimson oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-stop-coping-subhuman-coping-just-right-gif-20747920

[craggy yew]

[crimson oasis]

@tawdry bone @tardy cosmos since u two are almost always in this channel i will make u responsible for pinging me if copi is getting any buffs in the next beta update (so i can update my sheets)

[tawdry bone]

I often check this thread to see if Shinobu has potential or not so I'll tag you if she gets any buffs while i'm online

[crimson oasis]

Still waiting on the day someone steps up that actually wants to math some rotations

meanwhile yelan tc has a ton of them 😦

[cold pumice]

You need to have teams before you can do roations

[crimson oasis]

Obviously

[cold pumice]

Theres almost no way to justify using kuki atm

[crimson oasis]

Well taser teams have no healer

They will lose out on damage, but how much? We don't know because nobody calcs

[cold pumice]

Problem is now you're calcing tazer teams and no one wants to do that

[crimson oasis]

maybe when kuki is added to gcsim

[jovial bloom]

When are we getting next beta patch btw ?

[subtle finch]

Tomorrow

[jovial bloom]

Hope kuki gets a buff in it

[glossy reef]

I know this is a lot to ask, but, is it possible someone could give me a comprehensive list of reasons why Shinobu is terrible?
Even if it's tech heavy, I'm just talking to friends about Shinobu's issues and wanna make sure I hit all the points

[gaunt pivot]

tell them she is qiqi with triple split scaling and less healing, they will understand

[tiny sedge]

🙃 It will be very long list...

[vocal tulip]

electro
There you go

[rose tiger]

[glossy reef]

Exactly what I'm looking for

[crimson oasis]

Low modifiers. Split scaling (E on atk, Q/heals on HP). No buffs to the team. Standard ICD (means only 1 reaction every 3 secs with her E).

Those are the main issues

[cold pumice]

Relatively low particle gen too

[crimson oasis]

only upside is that her burst isn't 80 cost

[glossy reef]

That's a first

I can't wait for Snezhnaya when the Cryo Archon has a 340 Energy burst

[cold pumice]

Also depends on that A4, if its addive to %, then its insane, if its additive to base its crap

current assumption is its addive to base

[tiny sedge]

Very bad damage, Low heal, No utility, split scaling, below average energy, standard ICD, better alternative for every taser team. Cannot even heal for co op members. Useless A4, Useless constellations...

[vocal tulip]

Instant Raiden ring refill?

[glossy reef]

Really, Shinobu can't even heal co-op teammates?

[crimson oasis]

A4 additive to % on heals would be nutso

That would mean 400 EM is like 300% HB

which is fucking mental

[tiny sedge]

No, it is only heal the active member. It is also bad to play her in co op, because it will heal herself to over 50% hp, which lowers her own burst damage

She cannot be like Qiqi/Barbara and do normal attack to heal teammate when E is active

[glossy reef]

Man, it's worse than I thought

[tiny sedge]

Tell that damage is so low, by changing her own scaling into Defense with Cinnabar Spindle, the passive effect of the weapon raise her damage even more than her normal scaling...

Put all of it into a list make me depressed

[crimson oasis]

I honestly wonder what mhy thinks when they make characters like kuki

[wraith harbor]

probably this

an extremely specific scenario

[crimson oasis]

that doesn't make sense

but then again neither does kuki's kit

[manic umbra]

relax its beta

its not final release yet

[crimson oasis]

Even with an increase to her multipliers she's kinda meh

her only utility is heals

[wraith harbor]

aye, aware of that

[jovial bloom]

I want her ult to hit atleast as hard as sara's

[small turtle]

just pray later we get buffs

[median wagon]

wait until she got meta and must pull

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910858847701303329/929725142253322320/888647712097062933.gif

[glossy reef]

I'd be fine with that

[subtle finch]

How many hours till beta update

[lament cargo]

noir is amogus

[subtle finch]

[glossy reef]

Are they normally at server time or do beta updates follow their own schedules?

[median wagon]

sussy baka

[lament cargo]

[median wagon]

Keqing scale 12.87% per stamina
Shinobu is 12.098% per stamina

Cryo Shinobu

[subtle finch]

Kuki deez nuts

Shinobon deez nuts

[subtle finch]

Cryon deez nuts

[hushed meadow]

Hello

[subtle finch]

Hi scarlet

[glossy reef]

I can't wait for the beta update to come out and they gave Shinobu her fifth attack, made her burst scale off both her HP and EM, let her heal coop teammates, made her A4 passive a percentage based boost instead of flat addition, and made her skill damage scale off her HP

Right guys?

Right?

[rose tiger]

[subtle finch]

Fifth attack?

[glossy reef]

She's the only sword character to have 4 attacks in the entire game

[hushed meadow]

Hi noir

[subtle finch]

Is that a problem

[hushed meadow]

Cam Kuki regenerate enough energy?

[hushed meadow]

I mean can she act as a battery?

[glossy reef]

No, just thought I'd add it into my pile of copium because more attacks are always fun to look at

[hushed meadow]

Im curious

[subtle finch]

Like half as well as fischl

[median wagon]

if you stand close enough

someone put a Xiangling burst ontop of Kuki E

[nimble linden]

how good is kuki as a battery? I am planning to get her for my eula. can she benefit beiduo as well? or should I stick to my C1 fishl

[cold pumice]

her particle gen is like less than half of fhischls

[frank goblet]

uwuwuwu kuki electro application every e bonk?

[formal edge]

Nah, think it's standard

[frank goblet]

o,,, every two bonk then,,,?

[formal edge]

Yeah I think every two, since ICD is gated by 2.5s CD

[frank goblet]

since it's 1.5s every bonk

ooooo icd is per enemy unit right

[formal edge]

Yes

[frank goblet]

Like they have

Okie

[formal edge]

You know I actually hope everyone coping about incoming kuki changes gets their changes

[frank goblet]

did we calc how well she heals,,,

[formal edge]

When the calcs are suggesting cinnabar kuki , you know something is 100% wrong

[frank goblet]

soru doesn't understand her burst,,, it's a 2-3s shield right,,,

[formal edge]

It's Amber ult but slightly more consistent

Check pins for gif

[frank goblet]

Yeeeeee i thought so too,,, it's also standard icd right,,,

it has a lot of hits so it'd be alright right,,,

[dry warren]

pray for Kuki buffs soon cuz Monday

[alpine dock]

This week's buffs were done Saturday

It's a holiday in China so they were done early

Next Monday is next update

[shrewd crescent]

What changes happened?

[formal edge]

Nothing Kuki related

But I think Yelan got a "buff" (tooltip fix?) on her C2

[hushed meadow]

wait really?

oh wait qingming

[meager valve]

surprisingly uneventful

[tawdry bone]

wait so no shinobu buffs?

[cold pumice]

nope

[wooden sundial]

Oh thank goodness.

Of the two, Yelan really needed buffs the most.

If MHY isn't careful, Kuki might even break 5k DPS

[small turtle]

next week

[grizzled elk]

It's not a holiday actually

It's the tomb sweeping festival tomorrow

But it isnt considered a holiday

Qingming festival

We just pay respects to our ancestors

I think beta updates are Saturday tho

[orchid folio]

does it translate to heavy sun day

I don't remember when that was

[craggy yew]

yae bad?

[tardy cosmos]

electro bad

[fast rapids]

electro carried by xiangling

[unique sphinx]

[crimson oasis]

new beta build when 👁️ 👄 👁️

[median wagon]

according to Google, tomorrow?

[small turtle]

they can still prepare i think for it

[timber viper]

It's not mentioned on Kuki's E description, but can she increase resistance to interruption?

[patent timber]

afaik no

[subtle finch]

Where buffs

[spare torrent]

They nerfed her. Now her Q scales with attack.

[subtle finch]

At least no more split atk hp scaling

On e and q

If they did that

[daring owl]

scale of def so cinnabar spindle is even better

[shrewd crescent]

Just get Albedo

[small turtle]

cn has event

or maybe later

who knows

[cloud ermine]

EM or HP sands?

[cold pumice]

HP

EM looking kinda crap outside of reaction comps

[cloud ermine]

I see, the em spreadsheet is looking pretty low on dmg

[crimson oasis]

All of them XD

[cloud ermine]

I kinda wanna try a 4pc clam and cinnabar build

[crimson oasis]

If kuki doesn't get any buff we just gotta run cinnabar and a gorou

That just so happens to be the one set i didn't calc huh

[cloud ermine]

The e ticks on their own don't seem to be meant for dealing dmg

[cold pumice]

The don't seem to be meant for much else either

[cloud ermine]

Apply electro maybe

[crimson oasis]

That's why you go EM

[proud hedge]

since I'm new to this stuff, dont take my words for anything really
but I would rather have around 10k if she ever does a OL reaction rather than having to force cinnabar and do 25k over the duration of 13sec

[chilly flare]

huh???????

[cold pumice]

is joke

[crimson oasis]

Oh yeah definitely I think the cinnabar build is a big troll

[chilly flare]

OHSHDHD

[proud hedge]

of course, just do whatever is interesting

[crimson oasis]

i included it because people wanted me to but i think it's kinda a troll build

[chilly flare]

sorry just came in here and first message i see lmao

[cloud ermine]

As far as the new 4 stars go, Kuki seems pretty ahead of her peers rn

[chilly flare]

i mean idk if its troll its true that the sword itself gives a bunch of def + the passive it would increase her skill damage for sure

[proud hedge]

I honestly am just thinking of running her in like sucrose xl kuki (instead of fischl) and yelan because it would be cool if kuki can do reaction there and if the energy is enough

[crimson oasis]

Because the pool of comparison is just really bad

Sara is still ahead of her

[chilly flare]

i mean comparing to the inazuma 4 stars 💀💀

sara needs cons to be really good

[crimson oasis]

Yeah she kinda needs C2 and kuki doesn't which is a saving grace

but she's still kinda bad

she really only adds heals to the team

and a body to activate noblesse

[chilly flare]

and even just the fact that we didnt have an electro healer yet is a winwin for me

eh true true

[cloud ermine]

Sara's half kit is pretty useless apart from the c6 and atk buff ngl

[cold pumice]

It has a clear identity though

[chilly flare]

i mean the atk buff is the whole thing about her kit ahhaha

theres nothing else

[cloud ermine]

The crowfeather would've been cool if it allowed for more than one charged attack

[orchid folio]

No changes?

[shrewd crescent]

None

[rare abyss]

No changes?

[shrewd crescent]

[unique sphinx]

Those literally the reason for her existence

[vocal tulip]

ignoring her nuke?

[cloud ermine]

Yeah I guess I'm pissed at the fact we can't play her like ganyu

[civic bay]

What would kuki's artifact main stat be? I saw that her heal scales off Hp and EM.. so im guessing like Hp-electro%-Em something lol

[cloud ermine]

HP they all say

[small turtle]

the EM passive aint really big

[civic bay]

Oh

[small turtle]

hp-hp-hb i think provides more healing

[civic bay]

Hmmm okay!.. i also thought of Atk-electro%-HB cus her E does damge over time, but thatll be kinda stupid i think since she'll be using 4-set tenacity and is mainly a healer

But bruh idk.. she not out yet so idk, thank yall anyways :3

[stark ruin]

Shinobu best role pure healer? Seems a bit weak when other healers provide so much more utility. What teams are people thinking for her?

[small turtle]

i havent done comparison yet between her and other healers but her healing is quite solid imo. For teams, i am currently looking as her role to be a healer is on a eula team

[civic bay]

I was thinking of that too... I feel like building her similar to fischl would be better

HMMM eula team.. yeahh very nice, then u can swap out diona and change to Rosaria!

Diona shield tho

Or kuki instead of beidou

[small turtle]

you have poise on eula and raiden i believe

[vocal tulip]

@civic bay you're in dva's too??

run kuki as a healer with electro application

she's outclassed by fischl in a subdps role

[civic bay]

Hell yeeaaahhhh

[small turtle]

dva?

[stark ruin]

Any chance in hell she batteries Beidou?

[vocal tulip]

nah

[stark ruin]

She would spike in usability if so

[vocal tulip]

far too low energy gen for beidou's 80 cost

[stark ruin]

That's what I figured. Oh well. Yeah, seems pretty hard to get a synergistic team around her

[vocal tulip]

she'll fit in a eula comp

[stark ruin]

Maybe with Raiden, but then your rotations are long

[vocal tulip]

swap her in for diona

[stark ruin]

Or Fischl, but then you're almost completely ST

[civic bay]

True... I feel like my standard eula beidou fish diona is good enough, since my eula has 80CR alrdy, so i dint really need to swap out Diona to rosaria just to have an electro healer. I don't see her fitting in a team that she'd be needed (based on my chars )

She looks cool tho, would prolly like my teapot for 5 months

[chilly flare]

oh damn 80

[vocal tulip]

yeah that dual element core is pretty self sustaining

[chilly flare]

i mean theres the cryo resonance too on top of that

i personally just want her cause she looks cool tbh

[stark ruin]

Oh for sure, that thigh armor tho

[chilly flare]

but yeah apparently she doesnt have that much utility 😭 hope they'll buff her at least a lil

like sayu isnt that good but vv user

meanwhile kukis electro so

[vocal tulip]

she's in a really weird place ngl

[civic bay]

This tbh, im glad im not the only one feeling dis way 😭 😭 👹 👹

[vocal tulip]

^^

[civic bay]

I mean sayu really useful in exploration

[vocal tulip]

i really hope the meme ascension passive gets attention

[chilly flare]

i mean i feel like thats what most people want with characters you wouldnt pull for someone if you dont like them - just since its a tc channel lots of talks about damage and utility and stuff

im here just cause im curious tbh i dont care much for the meta 😭 i see hot character that looks fun i pull

[frank goblet]

i think she will get a bit more buffs tho,,,,,, usually mhyv prefers that the new characters are at least somewhat on the same level or smn hdnsfkjdhsf

[vocal tulip]

just here to see her ceiling and how i can push it further if it's possible

[civic bay]

True im still pulling regardless.. shes a 4star so goodluck lmao

[vocal tulip]

surely they would've learned from x*nyan that split scaling is a hit or miss

[civic bay]

Bruh her c2 really good i chosed her on the first free liyue chars lantern right lmfao.. i still didnt use her after that until now.. shes like my physical c6 hutao

[chilly flare]

ye lmao

tho i wouldnt mind an accidental c1 itto if i had to do a lot of pulls

[vocal tulip]

xinyan: phys, def, pyro(?)
kuki: em, hp, electro

[chilly flare]

but to be fair i did like 80 pulls on raidens rerun banner and not a single sara showed up

[vocal tulip]

[chilly flare]

tru she does get easier to use on more cons

her kit just confusing af 😭

[vocal tulip]

i'll commit to pulling if the rerun banner is nice, otherwise i'm stacking up for the ceo of grass

[chilly flare]

and to use superconduct with her you'll trigger overloaded so enemies get fucking launched all the time its annoying for me djdj

[civic bay]

Former ceo 😏 😏

I mean what

[chilly flare]

it should be nice, bet theres gonna be gorou too

i mean nice if youre a itto/noelle main

[glossy reef]

I thought we were supposed to get beta update

[chilly flare]

today is a holiday in china, no updates

[vocal tulip]

bruh i'm an electro main, literally all my built up carries are electro

[chilly flare]

probably tomorrow

[vocal tulip]

i doubt she'll get significant changes

[chilly flare]

ye same here tbh djdjd

[chilly flare]

same here tbh i love my electros

[civic bay]

I have no supports, yes im a pyro main

[chilly flare]

but gorou cute </3

[vocal tulip]

[chilly flare]

actually not same my only carry is yae jdjff

[vocal tulip]

[chilly flare]

but if i see electro i pull cause electro women hot

[vocal tulip]

i think i have all electros

[chilly flare]

im jelly wheres my keqing and my raiden 😔😔

[civic bay]

I only need thoma's namecard so i can have all the current pyro namecards ahaaaa

But he sucks, so hes staying in teapot till companionship 10

[vocal tulip]

i honestly wouldn't mind if they added an interruption resistance ability to her e like xingqiu and left everything else the same

[chilly flare]

poor lil tomato

i feel bad for him lmao i was kinda hyped for him

[chilly flare]

ooooo that would already be something more

same not asking for much just a sloght buff so she has some more utility

more er% particles so she can be a decent battery idk

[vocal tulip]

lmfao banned emoji/off topic i guess

yeah she needs more utility atm other than heals

[civic bay]

Aight back to topic... I think kuki will be the thoma of electro vision

[vocal tulip]

currently looks that way

[chilly flare]

no not my baby shinobu 💔

why do all inazuma 4 stars have some kind of problem

its my favorite nation too damn you mihoyo

[civic bay]

Lmfao

[vocal tulip]

fr fr

gorou is relatively issue free iirc

[chilly flare]

oh yeye gorous great

hes basically the only one whos good how did i forget doggy

[frosty jewel]

tbh even gorou is "too niche"

[ruby flame]

What are her predicted best 4* weapons so far?

[chilly flare]

yeah but he plays amazing in that niche

he literally changed geo

[frosty jewel]

he also has energy issues with really low damage

[vocal tulip]

fav, festering

[chilly flare]

he doesnt care about damage, hes supposed to buff geo ahahai

and you dont get energy issues with 3 geos

[frosty jewel]

he does his job, but i wouldnt put him as anywhere near the actually good 4 star units

[vocal tulip]

he is limited by his niche role

[chilly flare]

i know that but legit if youre an itto or a noelle main you cannot not use gorou - he gives you a huge buff

[vocal tulip]

^

[chilly flare]

hes niche yeah but so is shenhe then

and shes a 5 star

[frosty jewel]

yeah but shenhe actually can apply decent damage, and can generate meaningful energy

[chilly flare]

cinnabar

[civic bay]

Id rathee pull for shenhe than farm in that stupid archaic domain

[vocal tulip]

mhm like niche characters are typically really good at their roles, it's just that they barely function outside of those roles, making them 'worse'

[chilly flare]

no jk i still dont understand if cinnabar is good or not

[civic bay]

Oh wait new geo artifact

[frosty jewel]

Imo gorou could be better at his own niche without breaking him

[vocal tulip]

it's a cope weapon for a cope build

[chilly flare]

me not having a single cryo dps i completely skipped shenhe i legit have no use for her ahah

gorou is the same

and itto and noelle hit like trucks he doesnt need to hit big damage tbh

[civic bay]

Only geo i use and cant stop using is BIG DADDY PAPA ZHONGLIIIIII

[umbral sun]

At least gorou isn't sara who needs C6 for her niche to even exist

[frosty jewel]

he could deal more damage, generate more energy, not be that reliant on favonious etc.

why is he even reliant on 3 geo

[chilly flare]

and i mean shenhes a 5 star ofc shes gonna at least hit some nice damage 😭 shed be a 4 cryo gorou otherwise

[civic bay]

Helll yeahh dodging skills gon adios... I used to not get hit by that electro hypo but fuck me when i hve no zhongli lmfao

[frosty jewel]

why even put such a restriction

[crimson oasis]

I love it, first word I read when I open this chat is "cope"

keep it going guys

[civic bay]

Lmfao

[crimson oasis]

New beta build out yet?

[chilly flare]

how can you play this game w/o zhongli honestly

[vocal tulip]

lmfao no

[chilly flare]

i like the many yellow numbers on my screen i dont mind

[umbral sun]

By having solod too many bosses

[vocal tulip]

overcompensate with heals and interruption resistance
dodging

[chilly flare]

sjdjdjf everyone was saying kuki was good at first the opinion has changed apparently

[crimson oasis]

I never said that

[chilly flare]

holy what a soldier

got reminded of that 1hp beidou vs azhdha

[crimson oasis]

you would have thought that mihoyo learned after thoma and sayu that a support needs to provide more than just mitigation

[chilly flare]

yeah honestly 😭 it seems like they realized they made top tier supports like bennett/xingqiu/xiang and now they're compensating

they were too powerful

[umbral sun]

I'm in the Amber mains discord. Those people are built different

[vocal tulip]

muh arcc

[chilly flare]

or honestly just in general any 4 stars before inazuma got released (except xinyan)

[chilly flare]

dang i respect you

ill build amber one day just for funsies

[umbral sun]

I think sayu is pretty good

[vocal tulip]

yelan for xingqiu, 2 more to go

[chilly flare]

oh yeah sayu is not that bad

[umbral sun]

But yes I'm very disappointed with Sara

[chilly flare]

i honestly dont know much of her issues but i constantly see people talking bad about her

guess its the same issue with kuki, just healing

[vocal tulip]

tbh it wouldn't matter how scuffed sayu's kit is, she has access to wgs and vv

[chilly flare]

yup exactly

[chilly flare]

fr mines c0

[umbral sun]

She's also anemo so vv. She does Jean's most basic jobs and is a 4*

[chilly flare]

i cant bother shooting the arrow so i just wait for her burst to refill tbh

[civic bay]

Yeahh sayu is fine, but idk about her when in abyss, i mean sure floors 9 and 10 would be fine

[umbral sun]

I got mine to C5 in the last banner atleast so I just need a little bit more luck

[vocal tulip]

i've got her at c6 and i only do the charged shot if i'm running mono electro

[chilly flare]

ye lmao i got jean right a couple days after sayu so i ended up never building her

yalls got sara cons???

didnt think that was possible lmao all my friends could get her max once when pulling on her banner 😭

[civic bay]

Yess! I got c1, i like her booba cloth

[umbral sun]

Yeah it's only her most basic jobs where they overlap. Her rolling can be quite good I think, but Jean can do fall damage and sunfire

[chilly flare]

she spooked me on xiao banner and then never appeared ever again even if i pulled on raidens rerun

god i hate pulling for 4*s

[vocal tulip]

it took me two raiden banners for c6 on my main and one raiden banner for c6 on my alt

[civic bay]

Bruh

[vocal tulip]

you have to commit to the roll dump for 4*s

[chilly flare]

bruh damn

[umbral sun]

I think I pulmed like over 260 times in both banners to get her to C5

Both banners 260 together not 260 each

That would be insane

[chilly flare]

commitment is not enough you need luck 😭 i pulled 80 times on itto and didnt get a single gorou yet barbara had the audacity to show up twice in a ten pull

[vocal tulip]

it is what it is

[umbral sun]

Those are rookie numbers gotta pump those up

[chilly flare]

260 and only c5 😭

she really hates coming home

[chilly flare]

i cant i like saving primos </3 after i get my 5* i stop

[vocal tulip]

i dumped ~240 2nd run to get her from c2 to 6 and over

[umbral sun]

She's the only charcter I've created two fanarts for and this is all mhy wants to give me

[chilly flare]

dang the pain 💔

[umbral sun]

And now shinobu's looking to be in itto banner

[chilly flare]

ill draw kuki to manifest her

[umbral sun]

I might have to skip my cute electro ninja

[chilly flare]

i dont mind c1 itto but i want my kazuha 😭

[chilly flare]

oh naurrr

you could do a couple of ten pulls

[umbral sun]

I've done that for every 5 star I ever wanted. It helped me win a single 50 50 until now

[civic bay]

Yooooo.. i do that drawing ritual toooi

[heady flower]

D-did she get buffed?

Pls

[chilly flare]

no update, its holiday

[civic bay]

I drew yae and i was on 50/50.. mf i got her and her weapon wksnakjwnsoakwkemksks

[heady flower]

Oh okay whew

[chilly flare]

i drew yoimiya nd lost 50/50 on my birthday

[vocal tulip]

y'all do rituals?

damn

[chilly flare]

just for fun ahaha if i feel like it ill draw them

usually never works for me cause i have shit luck

[civic bay]

I posted it on hoyolab so i think hoyoverse saw it

[dry warren]

i pull on Yoimiya for Sayu

got Yoimiya on my 50/50 instead

[umbral sun]

Drawing rituals are a good motivator to get you to draw and practice

[chilly flare]

actually i didnt draw itto and he beat 50/50 sang maybe i just have to ignore rituals and not care

[chilly flare]

tru tru

[civic bay]

Well.. i just drew yae on that day for fun and didnt realized im summoning a demon on my desk

[umbral sun]

If the ritual was actually abput getting lucky I would have stopped a long time ago

[chilly flare]

my yae ritual worked for once she came extremely early twice and i had never gotten an early pity 😭

she loves me fr fr

[chilly flare]

jsdjfhhdhdhd

[civic bay]

Trueee.

[umbral sun]

Yae was the only 50 50 I won. Still not a single early tho

[civic bay]

I rarely draw so that was good

[chilly flare]

i wish you good luck 🙏 its gonna happen when you least expect it

like i lost 50/50 on qiqi so i thought i had to use all my primos djdjd

[civic bay]

I didn't do any rituals on hutao but damn.. i was really lucky when i got her and then her c1 on 1 pity, first fucking pull after thr last one .. but it wasnt on the same 10x so wasnt as cool lmao

[vocal tulip]

i find myself getting low pity pulls if i don't care about the character and pull nonchalantly

[chilly flare]

ONEEE??

hesus christ

[umbral sun]

The only luck I've had until now is losing 50 50 to the characters I want the most

[civic bay]

Then got elegy low pity.. then agter that homa low pity, have no one to use elegy then yelan came outtt

[chilly flare]

dang how i wish that were me

my normal streak is 75-80

[vocal tulip]

i did random dumps for zhongli and got him and keq in <30 rolls

[umbral sun]

I also thought that maybe if I don't try too hard it would work. It did not work for Kokomi

[vocal tulip]

every other character since then takes me 80ish pity

[chilly flare]

oh okay good it balances it out then dhdhd

[civic bay]

We winning bois .. the weapon banner hasnt disappointed me yet, but it would've did if i was pulling for ayato and his weap cus i got lost prayer on that mf soft pity agaaain

[vocal tulip]

yeah offset by the future pulls

[umbral sun]

I didn't want to say it but this is how I feel in most genshin threads

[chilly flare]

ayo that looks like my pulls tbh djdjdhd

[civic bay]

Noww i have all my limited 5* chars using 5* weapons 2 of them are not using their signature wjanakkajanskeks

[umbral sun]

So many won 50 50 though

[vocal tulip]

yeah true

[chilly flare]

yaes the only one who likes me 💔

but got lucky with the 50/50s once in a while at least

[vocal tulip]

i skipped so many banners just to account for the possibility of failed coinflips

[chilly flare]

DANG

me with my mere 3 5*s weapons cause i hate pulling on weap banner

[vocal tulip]

^

only dropped a ten for grasscutter and ignored it since

[chilly flare]

ye same here ahaha i know my pity is bad so i need to prepare just in case

[civic bay]

I haven't even reached $100 lmao

[vocal tulip]

i'm at ~$50

welkins are goated

[civic bay]

Prolly like around that too

Yeahh welkins are very cool

[umbral sun]

3 welkins here. Too scared to pull weapon banner

[vocal tulip]

don't

[chilly flare]

i honestly have no idea

[civic bay]

Do it

[chilly flare]

probably around 50-60 tho, i got bp thrice and a lot of welkins

i started getting welkins periodically lately and i now cant stop

[chilly flare]

nononnonononononboooo

[vocal tulip]

you'd need 38.4k primos for the desired weapon in the worst possible case

[chilly flare]

weapon banner scam

i got fucking lost prayer instead of kagura dont do it

how shitty is it that theres a chance for you to not even get one of the featured weapons lmao

[umbral sun]

Yeah I just thought about how often I hit worst case in character banner and I get scared

[vocal tulip]

yeah i'd only roll on it if i can grab 3 5*s and still have primos left over

[umbral sun]

LP was my first and earliest 5 star at 58

[vocal tulip]

i was thinking about it but stuck to yae + c2 raiden

[civic bay]

Lmao.. i remember sleeping late just to do 1 single pull every night on the weapon banner kkaksnsmskejdnksksnsjwj

[umbral sun]

Weapons are also not as hot as waifus

[civic bay]

Bch i was desperate lmaooaoa

[chilly flare]

yeah or if you dont mind about either of the rate up weapons

[chilly flare]

also agreed with this ^^^^

if rather get new characters then a weapon

[vocal tulip]

if fate points carried over, they wouldn't be so bad

[civic bay]

Then after that i realized that yae kinda suck but its aight, shes using her weapon now worth it 😭 😭 😭

[chilly flare]

i wish 💔 but they made that banner for whales

[civic bay]

Trueee

[vocal tulip]

yeah

[chilly flare]

iss okay it looks pretty

meta is temporary yae is eternal

[formal edge]

Fuck weapon banner

Flash back to me getting 2 elegies and 1 homa

[chilly flare]

me and all my homies hate weapon banner

the only ones who like it are the lucky ones lmao

[umbral sun]

Still wish yae was at least abit more "special"?

[civic bay]

Maaan.. i gotta love it so it loves me back too just for yelan's banner

[chilly flare]

same here but i still have a lot of fun playing her tbh ahaha

[vocal tulip]

slap interruption resistance on her e and make the deploy time shorter and ult refresh instead of consume

[chilly flare]

i didnt expect another big pp burst dps but anyway

[civic bay]

I want her E casting to be as fast as Xiao's lmfao

[vocal tulip]

^^^^

[chilly flare]

i dont mind the speed too much but can i not get fucking launched every time 😭

[umbral sun]

I like her playstyle. And personally don't need iframes or interruption resistance, but there still is not thatmuch reason for me to play her.

[chilly flare]

and lower her burst cd please

[umbral sun]

Especially if I had C6 sara

[chilly flare]

with my c1 i can get it back pretty fast but that doesnt matter cause the cd isnt fookin ready

[vocal tulip]

yeah i run into the same issue

[chilly flare]

ye exactly like if you have raiden why play yae over her

[umbral sun]

What teams are you using? I've only ever found that a problem in taser.

[chilly flare]

i dont mind it too much tbh cause i dont play abyss that much anyway but hey

[chilly flare]

yeah i play tazer ahaha

cause i dont have raiden

and dont think she can fit anywhere else without raiden

[civic bay]

Dang.. that made me realize that i dont use her on a specific team lol random bs type shit

[chilly flare]

HHHH

fair enough tbh

[umbral sun]

you can still play them together or split them to both sides, but it still isn't incredible, since putting them together doesn't necessarily make raiden better and if they're apart yae is probably in taser and you could probably get by with beidou or just EC

[chilly flare]

maybe yelan will make her more playable in abyss without raiden

[civic bay]

I like to play yoi more than hutao.. and yae is kinda bad with yae when u have a c6 fish

[chilly flare]

yee exactly she can be replaced by better performing characters

[tired berry]

As a C3 Yae haver, I’d say my only ‘complaint’ is how slow she is - totem placing, NA and CA casting

[civic bay]

Her combo long asf

[tired berry]

If she was faster, she’d be much more viable and fun to play

[chilly flare]

c4 jean would be an answer lmao

[civic bay]

Or more like slow

Asf

[umbral sun]

Kuki probably will also not have any synergies with yae since her energy gen doesn't seem to be enough

[chilly flare]

naurrr 💔 i wanted to play them together

its okay ill just use them in overworld

[tired berry]

Remember when 4* characters were easy to use and place in teams? 🥲

[vocal tulip]

yae only synergises with batteries and shielders to an extent

[chilly flare]

lets also mention that mihoyo doesnt even understand her kit with that totem "fix" they added now 😭

[vocal tulip]

running raiden and yae isn't too good since yae will still be on cooldown despite being topped off

[tired berry]

There’s no way - they either don’t want to fix her at all and threw us a useless bone or will ‘fix’ her issues when she’s due for a rerun

[umbral sun]

I would say Yae has actually somewhat above average damage and still less field time than almost all other carries( though not by a lot) . But you know Beidou is also pretty nuts when she works and Raiden is just raiden

[tired berry]

😭

[chilly flare]

but i wanna play all the electro gfs together 💔

[vocal tulip]

beidou has insane mv/s

[chilly flare]

dammit mihoyo

[tired berry]

400k burst and consistent damage is above average? 🥴 I thought we only disliked her play style

[umbral sun]

How quickly are you doing your rotations that you are facing cool down issues?

[vocal tulip]

yeah i run raiden yae sara jean atm for electro copepremacy

dunno ~20 secs

or less

[umbral sun]

I've only played them in Raikou variations and Mono electro and the rotations seem pretty tight

[chilly flare]

ye i wanted to do that djdfj a youtuber i follow cleared 36 stars with raiden yae bennett sara and it looked amazing tbh hhhh

[umbral sun]

That's possible?

[vocal tulip]

i'm mainly grabbing kuki so i can swap out the healer slot so it's all electro

[vocal tulip]

energy recharge stacked teammates

[chilly flare]

i tried yae jean beidou fischl and it was fun ill say

[umbral sun]

In 2.4 raikou sunfire actually gave me my first 1 rot kill on the geovishap. It also performed well on PMA

[umbral sun]

Nah I mean like with all the stuff you have to execute in a single rot I end up over 20 secs. Especially with dodging

Maybe you do a shorter rot than me

[vocal tulip]

ah yeah you get used to spamming stuff