kuki-theorycrafting

[tiny sedge]

Okay I see

Hope Ayato tracking and Sucrose with cc is helpful to it

I believe the Sara/Sayu version will be stronger, but Kuki/Sucrose easier to play

[hollow cairn]

I've always wanted to try taser team but I don't have fischl built yet

[tiny sedge]

Oh, mine Fischl it is only C0 but ths Ayato Sara Fischl Sayu team work strong in abyss for me

[vivid marlin]

is Jade Cutter good on kuki?

also, i have almost no one to run this on currently

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

[tiny sedge]

Sacrificial Sword on Kuki will need to be at Refine 3 to use for every rotation right ? The cooldown at Refine 3 is 22 second

[tawdry bone]

At r3 is only has a 60% proc rate right?

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is 60% only

[tawdry bone]

Gonna be unreliable as hell then

[tiny sedge]

She is some AOE attack in first cast skill so maybe it is okay in many target, but not sure

Mine sac sword it is only R1 , so not sure if it is still good. It is my only ER sword, because Favonius in Xingqiu

[tawdry bone]

At r3 with 2 targets success rate is 84%

[vivid marlin]

what is the tl;dr on her sub dps potential?

like is it playable?

or copium?

[tawdry bone]

it's cope

[shrewd crescent]

That I do not know all too wel

[tawdry bone]

30k Q with cracked artifacts

[vivid marlin]

sadge

i was hoping with how her kit looked that she could do at least sara level dmg

[tawdry bone]

The E hits like a wet noodle, C4 pretty much does nothing

[vivid marlin]

i hope they buff her E dmg scalings

[tawdry bone]

Check the pinned sheet for exact numbers

[vivid marlin]

ah i see the numbers

pain

[crimson oasis]

Does anyone feel nice enough to TC a rotation of ayato-kuki-xq-sucrose?

I already have all the artifacts set up, but the moment I wanted to apply the modifiers to Ayato I just gave up

his E man jesus christ

How can I ever calc damage from all that 😅

[tiny sedge]

XQ instead for Fischl ? I want it to try more taser

[crimson oasis]

Current HP, stacks yada yada

[tiny sedge]

Sac sword Kuki it seem so important to use for Ayato team because of 15 second cooldown being awkward

[crimson oasis]

Yea

I could get 9k clams tho 😄

XQ with noblesse

[tiny sedge]

Wonder if clam is worth compare to Tenacity overall team damage ? Maybe for Superconduct Eula team it is more valuable

[crimson oasis]

You'll have to do full rotation calcs for that

[main bay]

I have my doubts

[long hull]

what artifacts would be recommended for a dps kuki? (ik crazy but then again i’m a kokomi main)

[crimson oasis]

None because dps kuki is weird

You could build for E by getting cinnabar spindle, def-elec-crit with 2p husk/glad

[long hull]

yea that’s a weird setup

[cold pumice]

Main DPS you could go pale flame, but off field her damage is a bit low

[long hull]

ig i’ll stick with kuki support uh would she work with yelan?

[spare torrent]

In most situations where Shinobu could be a main DPS, there's usually another character in the party that'd serve that role better is all.

[crimson oasis]

I really wanna know if ayato-xq-kuki-sucrose is worth it.. I think there's some credit here

You could either go triple EM on kuki because she has no competition on getting the EC.. Or try to build her for big clam damage

[spare torrent]

Why not Ayato/Yelan/Shinobu/Sucrose?

[crimson oasis]

I managed to TC 9.2k but Noir managed closer to 10k

[crimson oasis]

Because I'm too poor to go for that many 5-stars

Also if it works with xq it'll work with yelan

Also since XQ won't need all that much ER you can give him a fav and funnel that to ayato

I just used fischl at 0.7, thinking that's close enough to full E uptime (using sac sword) kuki

[hollow river]

actually love that kuki ult doesnt matter for her supp rn cuz I have an R4 lvl 1 fav sword

and the level doesnt matter since ER doesnt matter on her its just the passive lol

[crimson oasis]

Nah I think it's bad design if a character never uses their burst

[hollow river]

i agree

but also it makes it easier for me personally to build her

so i am a fan

since literally the only stats that matter for fav kuki are crit/hp

[crimson oasis]

if EC was easier to control EM would have been amazing

or if they change her ICD

[tired berry]

Her NA numbers are good, I’d do a physical build but completely abandon her role as a support in that case

[tiny sedge]

How is her NA compare to other sword character like Kaeya Ayaka Keqing

[hollow river]

NA below Kaeya, CA first hit = to and CA 2nd hit lower

[orchid apex]

will she be better than my phys qiqi carry

[hollow river]

so shell be a little weaker than kaeya as na dps

[tiny sedge]

Okay, thank you ! It is not too weak

[hollow river]

well actually shell proc 4PF way faster if u have a good 4P

which might put her a bit above kaeya if u count setup time

[long hull]

what does 4pf mean?

[crimson oasis]

As a yae main I really dunno if there's any use in Kuki so far

it's not looking good

[hollow river]

pale flame

[long hull]

oh

[long hull]

i mean 🤷🏻‍♀️ i’m definitely using her she looks awesome design wise

i’ll make her as a main dps since i have some weird habit of making pure supports into dps characters

[crimson oasis]

yae-kuki-xq-sucrose has horrible EC ownership issues

[orchid apex]

what is the ec split in that comp

[crimson oasis]

No idea how to exactly tc that but i reckon it's about an even spread

[gaunt pivot]

does ec ownership matter if sucrose is driving?

[crimson oasis]

Well you want most of it to be done by sucrose

and I guess kuki is the alternative

[glossy reef]

Really weird question, have we tried Shinobu with Kujou Sara to see if that has any synergy whatsoever?

[main bay]

Shinobu offers no buffs to sara and buffing kuki who is built ER,HP with an attack buff doesnt sound like good use either

They perhaps can still work together with another electro main dps, but they themselves dont seem to synergize in anyway special

[glossy reef]

Hm, yeah, I was just thinking in terms of Sara being able to buff Electro users with her cons and seeing some posts saying Shinobu's burst was pointless to cast

[main bay]

It kinda is maybe

The problem is from a few angles

[glossy reef]

One I'm guessing is duration

[main bay]

Swords dont have much support options, and she has almost no utility in her kit

The burst is a damage burst but but nothing exciting numbers wise is why i think

[glossy reef]

Is there any point in giving her EM like one of her passives suggests?

Or is it a wasted stat slot?

[main bay]

I havent calced myself, but from what i read. Maybe

[cold pumice]

It depends on how it works

[crimson oasis]

I'm doing a major overhaul of the artifact sheet I posted before (in pinned comments). Do you think it's worth just not including some sets entirely (because it'll save me work) or should I still keep them in just to demonstrate that they suck?

[main bay]

If u can make her the trigger in some good reactions it might work out

[crimson oasis]

for instance the atk-elec-crit

[glossy reef]

Keep it in just for me so I know how big my uphill battle is

Because I will do it, there's no stopping me

[crimson oasis]

I've updated the artifact sheet to version 2.0

Easier to follow calculations and some better optimisations of substats

[subtle finch]

ritual to get kuki buffed: eat at 2 least 2 kukis(Cookies) a day during beta

[wraith harbor]

do your five daily prayers

that is what is needed

[hollow river]

im fine with her being kinda eh as is @ c0 but if her cons were buffed that would be nice

her C4 could use tweaking to make it actually matter lol

[vivid marlin]

I have an idea: Sukokomon Ver. Kuki:
Replace kokomi with xq, fisch with kuki and build kuki triple em (or hybrid or dmg if that deals more dmg)

[unique sphinx]

Tbh they should move around her cons to make the C4 more accessible and make it proc twice as often even if they have to reduce the scaling a bit to balance it

[median sapphire]

Kuki’s particle gen isn’t good enough to maintain current er reqs if put in sukoko

Everyone would have to run a bunch more er

Altho I feel her e being aoe, while oz is ST may be a slight advantage

[vivid marlin]

What other teams are being considered for kuki?

Couldn’t find out the info

[median sapphire]

Taser probably

[unique sphinx]

Taser teams that need an electro healer

[median sapphire]

taser without koko would probably appreciate kuki

[rose tiger]

could be nice for certain ayato teams

it would let you run taser with kazuha and have a healer

[vivid marlin]

So tartaglia, yae, beidou, kuki is possible to run?

I like these characters, that’s the reason I picked them

Bennett is on another team

[unique sphinx]

Yep true Ayato Kazuha Shinobu and Fischl would be a good tazer team for Ayato

[hollow cairn]

ah if i wanna do taser should i finally build childe

[vivid marlin]

This isn’t too much electro right?

[unique sphinx]

If only Shinobu's burst had some other utility than just dmg. Dmg and healing isn't something that characters normally are able to excel at the same time(let's not talk about Bennett cuz you know he was a mistake)

[hollow cairn]

jeans another exception i'd say

not on benny level tho

[unique sphinx]

She is more an overall support providing healing, debuff cleansing and VV

[hollow cairn]

yeah but i build her for dps lol

she heals a lot

[unique sphinx]

Ya 1.0 characters had their power budgets all over the place

The thing with Healers is if they don't do any other than healing properly they kinda get dumped and left unused

Kuki needs much more dmg if she wants to be a good healing option without any other utility

[vivid marlin]

When does the beta update with buffs/nerfs? Next Monday or two weeks?

[unique sphinx]

After like 24 hrs I believe

[vivid marlin]

Oohh nice

[subtle finch]

@grizzled elk im tryna er calc this team but the er calculator doesnt count each single E individually it counts the full chain is the combo two full diluc E chains?

[grizzled elk]

Yep

@subtle finch lemme upload a vid showcasing the rotation

Well simulating it

Will be alot better with yelan and kuki

[subtle finch]

oki

[grizzled elk]

https://youtu.be/eRq5ztOWXVs @subtle finch

It flows almost perfectly with like

Shit investment

Beidou needed more er there but yea

[dry warren]

For Kuki, which is better
Dark Iron sword? (3⭐)
or
Favonius Sword? (4⭐)

[subtle finch]

thoery: yelan gonna do more dps than beidou and kuki gonna contirbute more dps than xinqiu here

[grizzled elk]

Ofc

Tho the rotation flows so well lmao

It's almost flawless

[subtle finch]

why dont i have him

reroll for diluc?

[grizzled elk]

I don't have jean don't worry

[subtle finch]

jean doesnt have fun tf comp 😢

[grizzled elk]

That's also st beidou actually

For such shit investment I'm seeing good results

Probably even better with yelan

👁️

[subtle finch]

[grizzled elk]

Ec ownership:
3 raiden
8 fischl
5 xingqiu

Overload triggers:
1 fischl
7 diluc

Vaporize occurs on all Es, none on nas

Xingqiu aand Raiden have more app than yelan and kuki respectively

It should still be around the same ballpark tho

[subtle finch]

you counted EC

madlad

[grizzled elk]

[subtle finch]

wait how does he vape none of his NAs

[grizzled elk]

It should be the same ballpark

[grizzled elk]

I have no idea

Probably gauge shenanigans

[subtle finch]

are u sure he didnt vape them

[grizzled elk]

Yea

I think he vapes the last 2 n1s tho

Fischl expiry

@subtle finch wait yea consider last 2 n1s vaped

[subtle finch]

also this is sad

[grizzled elk]

Is that kuki

I mean

Expected

[subtle finch]

wait thats inflated

i still had VV

1.4k dps

[grizzled elk]

Yea kuki damage is

Kekw

[subtle finch]

the low vape counts on his NAs and the horrible kuki dmg has me losing a bit of hope

[grizzled elk]

Lemme count again

[subtle finch]

oki

[grizzled elk]

Apologies I am dumb

After second e there's a vape on n2

Same for third e

It wasn't there the last vid I counted tho

Ec is still the same

[subtle finch]

[grizzled elk]

First e no vapes on n1/2

Expected due to q

[subtle finch]

so 6 Es vape, two N2s vape, and two N1s?

[grizzled elk]

The last 2 n1s also vape

Yes

[subtle finch]

what about Q

no vapes i assume?

[grizzled elk]

No vape

Q also causes 1 fischl ol trigger before she regains electro aura

Yea it seems that if you start q e into fischl e

The next electro application will remove hydro

And q will not vape

But the other factor is that if it's kuki q into diluc q, diluc may have all 8 triggers instead of 7/1 with fischl @subtle finch

[subtle finch]

🤔 do we have time to fit in a kuki q?

[grizzled elk]

Hm

Do we have frame data on it

[subtle finch]

not that im aware of

[grizzled elk]

Q e should be assumed as 2s

Let's see

3 1 2 14

Becomes 20

Hmm

[subtle finch]

Diluc Q no vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 no vape N2 no vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 no vape N2 vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 no vape N2 vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 no vape n2 no vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 vape
Diluc E vape
Diluc N1 vape
did i get this right

[grizzled elk]

Yep

Wait no the last 2 diluc es

[subtle finch]

now vaping out Yelan buff periods gonna be the annoying part

[grizzled elk]

You can finish the rot off quick

It's only e n1 e n1

[subtle finch]

ooh i see

[grizzled elk]

Ye

[subtle finch]

edited

[grizzled elk]

Yea it's correct

[subtle finch]

🤔 should be like 10 yelan Q procs?

[grizzled elk]

Hm

It's per s

But fischl and kuki don't do n1s

Assume 11-12?

Because q>e is 1 proc

[subtle finch]

wait doesnt it only trigger on NAs?

[grizzled elk]

Nope

[tardy cosmos]

bonus proc

[grizzled elk]

If it's active and one enemy is hit by her e

[subtle finch]

am confuse

[grizzled elk]

It's 1 proc

Read the second condition

[subtle finch]

so we do QE instead of EQ?

[grizzled elk]

Ye

[subtle finch]

prob wont be able to catch her own particle then tho right

[grizzled elk]

It depends

[subtle finch]

or her own fav

[grizzled elk]

Would an extra proc be more valuable

Or more energy

[subtle finch]

increases her ER needs to 261 if i assume she doesnt catch her own particles or fav

[grizzled elk]

Yea I think e q better

[subtle finch]

ok

also how many DoTs from his Q are reasonable to assume?

[grizzled elk]

If it's st it's assumed to be bosses right?

[subtle finch]

idk

[grizzled elk]

I get 2-3 normally against ruin guards and bosses

[subtle finch]

what about the explosion?

[grizzled elk]

Explosion usually not there

The final explosion is almost always exclusively on small enemies

And the only exception is vishaps

The adult ones

They weigh like balloons

[subtle finch]

gotcha

[grizzled elk]

👍

Ping me if you need anything I'm gonna go cook

[blazing canopy]

For memes, I'm gonna use HP EM Heal

[supple snow]

Are we now pairing kuki with diluc?

[frank lintel]

kukis avg particle gen? for whole e duration

[small turtle]

40% proc, 12 sec on c0, assuming 2nd-3rd hit particles generate, 4-6 particles

[frank lintel]

ahhh ic

was wondering if she can battery bd

[subtle finch]

@grizzled elk so far this team looking like shit on sheet

[grizzled elk]

How's it going actually

[subtle finch]

27k dps so far with everyone except fischl added

[grizzled elk]

Like where you at

[subtle finch]

idk if i did anything wrong

[grizzled elk]

Hm

[subtle finch]

[grizzled elk]

If only kuki had better clam damage

[subtle finch]

can try switching her to clam

need to see how much totm affect fischl dmg first

[grizzled elk]

Alr

How much do you think fischl would do

[subtle finch]

8-13k

[grizzled elk]

Pain

[subtle finch]

prob 8k

since its a 1 Oz rotation

[grizzled elk]

Woe

[subtle finch]

did you count the fischl c6 procs

im assuming not cuz thats pain

[grizzled elk]

Nope

Wait a second if its 8k that completely aligns with my old sheet LMAO

[subtle finch]

i know fischl

[grizzled elk]

Now we have to think of ways to improve it from here

[tardy cosmos]

let kuki do reaction

[small turtle]

she can

[tardy cosmos]

that's the only thing kuki has over other healer

[subtle finch]

whys it so cope

38k dps with fischl added

[grizzled elk]

Expected

Losing beidou is extremely huge

[subtle finch]

i thought yelan was gonna be doing like 300k damage

[grizzled elk]

How much procs assumed?

Also what's the dps increase assumed for fischl with totm

[subtle finch]

removing totm from diluc and fischl lowers team dps by 2k

so clam might be better

totm not helping much

this is why I facepalm everytime says "but she can use totm" when i say Kuki doesnt have enough utility

TOTM is barely utility

[grizzled elk]

Hm

How much clam dpr would be assumed on average though

[subtle finch]

gotta calc it and see

need to figure out how many bubbles can get here too

[grizzled elk]

Hm

1/3.5

[subtle finch]

should be 4 i think

15s uptime 1 bubble every 3.5s right

[grizzled elk]

Hm

Think so

[patent timber]

you guys have any calcs for kuki as of now?

[grizzled elk]

We are exploring a tf diluc team

With kuki

[patent timber]

ooh how's her ult dmg?

[grizzled elk]

But kuki replacing beidou loses alot of dps

[grizzled elk]

1.4k dps

[patent timber]

IT DOES ONLY 1.4K??

[grizzled elk]

On this team atleast

Better off with ohc

[patent timber]

ohc ?

[subtle finch]

I think she objectively needs buffs

[subtle finch]

OHC didnt help all it did was replace the 2k dps that was lost from totm

[grizzled elk]

Ok we fucking need kuki buffs

💀

[subtle finch]

yeah

this is stupid

theres no reason for her to be this undertuned

[grizzled elk]

I think the main issue is that this team may as well only have 3 contributors

It loses too much damage from replacing beidou

[subtle finch]

no utility other than mid healing mid particle gen and horrible damage

idk wtf mihoyo was thinking

[grizzled elk]

It's basically ayaka and yoimiya but too extreme

💀

[tardy cosmos]

just forget kuki's burst and either do full heal clam build or def elec crit cinnabar

[subtle finch]

this is a full clam build.

[grizzled elk]

We did do full heal clam

[tardy cosmos]

[grizzled elk]

The issue is that kuki isn't pulling any weight at all

And her icd is also horrible

[tardy cosmos]

kit issue

[subtle finch]

i know it defeats the purpose of 18s rotations but think we could pull this off with diluc xinqiu yelan fischl

tho at that point

im in the wrong channel

[rose tiger]

what were they thinking with her it just gets worse every time i check in

[subtle finch]

ive no idea

[grizzled elk]

NOOOO

[dry warren]

Why are people recommending Sac Sword over Favonius?

she already has nearly 100% uptime without c2

[subtle finch]

or even zhongli instead

[grizzled elk]

Ap?

Is there time in the rot for it

[subtle finch]

because the uptime is needed on longer rotations that arent 30s

[tardy cosmos]

faster to reach below 50% hp maybe

[grizzled elk]

You can't get a pyro crystallise too

[subtle finch]

too clunky with 3 elements

[grizzled elk]

Ye

[dry warren]

you do know Sac Sword only procs on-field, right?

[tardy cosmos]

phys build ap kuki

[subtle finch]

but im sure his res shred would provide more damage than Kukis 3k dps lol

dunno if he would steal any reactions tho

[grizzled elk]

They gave yelan everythinf

Forgot about kuki

[subtle finch]

they gave yelan everything and kuki nothing

its digsuting

[dry warren]

i honestly prefer getting Kuki over Yelan

[patent timber]

kuki's design was so nice they did her dirty

[dry warren]

won't surprise me if Kuki doesnt get changed or nerfed

[subtle finch]

i want to prefer kuki

[grizzled elk]

I think we can reach 50k with xingqiu / beidou replacing kuki actually

Or close to jt

[dry warren]

while buffing the hell out of Yelan

[subtle finch]

but she is just not good no matter how hard I try to believe she is good

[small turtle]

dont worry noir

[subtle finch]

it gets worse every time I try to look into her

i dont fucking know how

[small turtle]

tomorrow we will get beta updates right?

[patent timber]

Kuki buffs

[subtle finch]

but it gets worse every time

[small turtle]

cause monday

[subtle finch]

yeah

[small turtle]

[subtle finch]

i dont think any 4 star has ever been massively changed tho

[patent timber]

tbh it would be nice if kuki had inbuilt electro shred

[grizzled elk]

@subtle finch dude my friend just recommended prototype Lisa as a meme

[dry warren]

Pray for Kuki Buffs

[grizzled elk]

It may potentially work(?)

[subtle finch]

I didnt see leaks of diona and xinyan when they were in beta - didnt see rosarias leaks. dont think Gorou got buffed? or sayu? sara got slight adjustment. Thoma didnt get buffed i think. YunJin did get buffed tho

[subtle finch]

20s rotation

[grizzled elk]

I'm in shambles

[small turtle]

yanfei

[subtle finch]

i bet lisa with a prototype would still do more dps tho

[small turtle]

yanfei c4

[subtle finch]

got nerfed

[patent timber]

Yanfei C4 was busted back then

[grizzled elk]

Kuki was meant to enable 18s but she does jackshit

[small turtle]

but they still pay attention

[patent timber]

Kuki buff

[small turtle]

if she isnt getting buff, then mihoyo really wants her to be the electro healer everyone asked for

[subtle finch]

if they were gonna make kuki do literally nothing but heal i dont get why they couldnt have let her heal enough for max clam damage

its a fucking crime

[ivory chasm]

yes pls make her ult useful

[grizzled elk]

No unironically if kuki gets better healing with better icd her clam damage may be significant enough

[subtle finch]

im very tempted to say she might be worse than barbara

[small turtle]

they trying to get maidens back

[subtle finch]

at least barbara can lean on the crutch of ttds

[small turtle]

cause mihoyo has no maidens

[subtle finch]

kuki cant even do that

[subtle finch]

they need to touch grace

[patent timber]

and barbara has stamina reduction passive plus hydro dmg bonus with cons

[grizzled elk]

Noir I think we banked too hard on kuki for our teams and now that she's arguably shit we can only pray for a buff

[small turtle]

i am the same

i thought she would actually improve something in one of my comps

but it turned out shittier

[grizzled elk]

Our idea was that she would allow for tf diluc to play an easy 18s rotation while being the healer slot

[subtle finch]

she needs a bigger overhaul than ayato

[grizzled elk]

But she does

[subtle finch]

and ayato got the biggest fucking glowup in beta

[grizzled elk]

Fucking nothing

[subtle finch]

ayato v1 to final form was the biggest glowup of all time

[rose tiger]

early beta ayato was unplayable

[patent timber]

but all hoyo does is to focus on yelan

[small turtle]

from having ER issues to not having it anymore is a fucking qol

[grizzled elk]

YELAN IS ALREADY TOO BROKEN WHY BUFF HER INSTEAD OF KUKI

[small turtle]

like we said, they love armpits /j

[rose tiger]

i remember the 300 er ayato dooming now i run him on 136 just fine

[patent timber]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[grizzled elk]

[patent timber]

Mihoyo be like

[small turtle]

conspiracy theory, mihoyo employees are down bad

[grizzled elk]

Yelan has basically

Fucking everything you want in a character

[rose tiger]

not even a conspiracy theory atp

[small turtle]

even wei must have been forced to put yelan on beta as a powerful unit

and fucking worse of all

she doesnt have rng

and kuki has rng particles

[jovial bloom]

does her ult scale with crit ?

[subtle finch]

yes

[rose tiger]

trash unit ||/j||

[jovial bloom]

then how this low

[rose tiger]

[grizzled elk]

Scalings are shit

[jovial bloom]

let's say u have 150 crit dmg with 30k hp
at lvl 8 it does 5.77 percent of max hp
that's like 1731 base dmg
multiply with 150 crit dmg it's 4327 dmg
and i'm not even including stats like electro dmg bonus
and other external team buffs

[small turtle]

scalings

are

fuckin

horrendous

[grizzled elk]

Shit

[small turtle]

jesus

[jovial bloom]

am i calculating it ryt ?

[grizzled elk]

@subtle finch tho do you think 50k is possible with xingqiu/beidou

[subtle finch]

diluc yelan xinqiu beidou?

or the original team

without yelan

or do you mean kuki beidou xinqiu

[grizzled elk]

Replacing kuki with either of the 2 I mentioned

[subtle finch]

idk

[grizzled elk]

Any guesses tho

[subtle finch]

maybe

the dissapointment of this calc has my brain fried

[grizzled elk]

The dissapointment of kuki

[jovial bloom]

i don't understand why are y'all upset

[jovial bloom]

this doesn't look like bad dmg for me

[grizzled elk]

Wait if we swap to beidou or xingqiu

I have to count ec again

[small turtle]

you aint accounting cr procs

[jovial bloom]

well i need to know how many times her ult can hit for that

like tick rate or something

[grizzled elk]

Def factor halves it, res 10% multiply by 0.9, multiply that by cr/100 for average damage

Tldr dogshit

[jovial bloom]

what if u factor in dmg from elecro goblet ?

ok nvm it's not looking good even then

hmmm

[grizzled elk]

X 1.61

[grizzled elk]

Comes before these tho

Which makes it even worse

[orchid apex]

how many times does kuki's burst hit <50% hp

[subtle finch]

13

[grizzled elk]

Kuki buff hopium

[mental topaz]

Shame

She had such a cool design

Too bad she’s gonna be benched in most of my abyss teams

Only time I see myself using her is as a Diano replacement in a Eula team

[jovial bloom]

especially when u have skyward pride like me

[wooden sundial]

I can't even justify her as a Diona replacement

Diona is just too good for batterying and is self-sufficient energy-wise

[mental topaz]

Ya but there are already other batteries

Like Rosaria

Shenhe

Aloy even

[wooden sundial]

I generally need at least Fav/Sac Diona and Rosa/Shenhe

[grizzled elk]

She's needed as an electro healer but she's just so bad at both

[haughty mural]

I'm not disappointed in kuki at all

[wooden sundial]

I was more interested for Kuki than Yelan

Then they do gestures broadly this

[grizzled elk]

1.4K DPS

[rose tiger]

teapot furniture meta

[grizzled elk]

She's the only one that can enable our 18s tf diluc rot

[wooden sundial]

This current iteration makes Thoma look like Benny

[haughty mural]

Idk i just keep reading it as "my healer doesn't do dps" and getting confused, why are we not building healer kuki?

[wooden sundial]

Because her healing isn't that great

Even if you build for it

[patent timber]

Thoma 🤝 Kuki
Cool design, horrible kit

[mental topaz]

It’s like Diona’s healing I believe

[grizzled elk]

We are completely relying on her for some comps but if she does nothing we can do nothing, it's not even mentioning her horrible 1/3s icd and her mediocre burst

[mental topaz]

Kuki can only heal the active character

[wooden sundial]

Don't worry, her 1 particle per ~4s will save her

[haughty mural]

So can benny

[grizzled elk]

IT'S NOT EVEN FRONT LOADED LIKE XQ MANNN

[haughty mural]

It is a bit weird her burst doesn't do... Much

[wooden sundial]

Also Fav doesn't work off-field

[grizzled elk]

AAAAAAAA

[mental topaz]

Lol that’s like comparing an ant to an elephant

[patent timber]

that burst is too atrocious for 60 cost tbf

[wooden sundial]

The whole kit is hilariously undertuned

Every single MV

Everything

I literally laughed at the A4

[haughty mural]

I just don't understand
Benny and diona heal with circle
Qiqi, barbruh and now kuki heal with rings
It isn't like you can only heal one character

[patent timber]

they legit just shoe horned EM for no reason like Yae

[haughty mural]

Yeah that's two deliberately placed EM Electro shoehorns
..... Please mhy let there be a reason

[grizzled elk]

Dendro bro

[mental topaz]

Actually Qiqi and Barbara heal the whole team with their bursts

[haughty mural]

Yeah that's what i am talking about

[patent timber]

[haughty mural]

Yeah but we aren't talking about her burst, since hers doesn't heal

[mental topaz]

Then why mention Bennett and Diano then lol

[unkempt ginkgo]

Dendro in. 3.1?

[mental topaz]

They heal with bursts

[patent timber]

3.0

[unkempt ginkgo]

2.9 exists?

[mental topaz]

Are Qiqi and Barbara even considered good?

[grizzled elk]

Barbara has ttods

Qiqi is phys and can reliably hit the ohc cap

While getting off sc

[haughty mural]

Because you said she can only heal the active character
So can benny, diona, qiqi E, barbra E. Most heals in game are active character heals

[grizzled elk]

Boosting ohc damage more

[dry warren]

Between Dark Iron Sword and Favonius

which is better?

[haughty mural]

I just don't know if you mean to say they are bad or what

[grizzled elk]

No the point they were getting at is ON TOP OF ALL OF IT she only heals the active char

[mental topaz]

Nah I meant her healing is bad on top of that

[grizzled elk]

Aka no redeeming quality rn

[wooden sundial]

Who wants to let this guy know that Qiqi E heals the whole party?

[mental topaz]

Lol

[haughty mural]

Qiqi's E does not.. I specified

[grizzled elk]

I'm too sad to

I mean I expected the results but I didn't know it was so heavily due to kuki

[wooden sundial]

Qiqi's on-hit for E heals the whole party

[dry warren]

Qiqi'E can heal all party member when she's the onfield doing dmg

[haughty mural]

I'm pointing out, that we have so many "active-character-only" heals

[patent timber]

She'll be buffed trust me

[haughty mural]

Yeah let's do that you're right, I'm sorry let's keep qiqi out on field

[grizzled elk]

Dude if we can get her to do 9k ohc dps which I think is reasonable we can hit 44k

[wooden sundial]

You actually do keep Qiqi out on the field

[mental topaz]

Kuki looks like Barbara really

[grizzled elk]

Barbara has ttods and close ranged hydro app

[patent timber]

per rot damn

how much does she do now?

[grizzled elk]

1.4K DPS

3K WITH OHC

[haughty mural]

Idk I'm just trying to understand and yall are just changing the conversation

[patent timber]

[wooden sundial]

We're staying on-topic as far as I can tell

For reference, I calc Qiqi on-field at around 12-13k DPS with Ocean

Most of that is bubbles, which are AoE

[mental topaz]

I wanna know tho why compare Bennett to Kuki?

[haughty mural]

Alva said she only heals active character. I'm trying to figure out why that's considered bad. As far as i understand, that's normal. Benny is one of the best and he only heals active character

[mental topaz]

See lol

[grizzled elk]

But what does Bennett have

What does kuki have

[wooden sundial]

Benny being able to heal is just icing on the cake

[patent timber]

ye

[grizzled elk]

Bennett is perfection given a slight cherry

[patent timber]

its what makes him too OP

[grizzled elk]

Lmao

[wooden sundial]

Benny is good for about two dozen reasons

[grizzled elk]

Except his drip tho

[tiny sedge]

Is it comparing Bennett and Kuki Why

[grizzled elk]

His drip is dogshit

Toys r us shopping ass

[patent timber]

Bennett skin when

[grizzled elk]

Beginners hiking drip

[haughty mural]

I literally explained why. I can explain it for you I can't understand it for you

Seriously i just wanted to understand your point

[tiny sedge]

Kuki problem it is no utility and no damage

[wooden sundial]

Main thing is that Benny healing ticks are outrageously high even at baseline

Also healing is like #10 on the list of reasons you bring Benny

[haughty mural]

I mean i disagree, that's number one or two for me, depending

[tiny sedge]

Bennett have much utility in attack buff energy heal cleanse and ok damage

[haughty mural]

Yeah but the topic was heal type

Healing "active character"
Why is it bad

[mental topaz]

Think if Kuki had teamwide healing she’d cap the clam set?

[wooden sundial]

Kuki doing so little damage is actually a function of her healing being subpar, now that Ocean exists

[patent timber]

she would

[tiny sedge]

If topic it is heal type, Bennett is already more fast heal tick, same uptime, and heal more....

[wooden sundial]

Well, reduces your healing by 75% compared to whole party and decreases your Ocean damage by 75% as well

So there's that

[haughty mural]

But he "only heals active character" so i mean like
That's a nonfactor isn't it?

[wooden sundial]

If you ignore everything we said, yes

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is ok he heal only active because his heal is fast and high

[haughty mural]

Healing active character is good if healing is good but bad if healing is bad. Got it

[tiny sedge]

Kuki it is weak and more slow than bennett

[patent timber]

why is OHC not good for her, because she only heals one per time?

[wooden sundial]

It is also okay because Benny isn't even predominantly used as a healer

It's just something else he does

When he's not being an amazing battery and buffer

[tiny sedge]

Compare best character in game to one of current worst

[patent timber]

?

[tiny sedge]

What is OCD for genshin

[patent timber]

clam

sorry its OHC

[wooden sundial]

Clam takes your total healing. Healing 4 people counts as 4 instances of healing for the bubble

[patent timber]

oh so that's why low dps

[haughty mural]

I'm not comparing overall. That's a different conversation and it's not the one I'm having but everyone keeps trying to have it

So I'm done ig

[tiny sedge]

Character who is heal whole party can be more strong for Clam, like Qiqi

[grizzled elk]

She should heal the entire fucking party

[tiny sedge]

What is your point , just comparing heal strength ?

[wooden sundial]

Kuki brings no utility, does like 10-20% of Qiqi's DPS, and a fraction of Qiqi's healing

[grizzled elk]

There's nothing else

[tiny sedge]

Because if it is only to focus heal, Kuki is not good at it

Dedicate heal to Barbara is seem more valuable to me, because of more utility Barbara have

[patent timber]

does her Heal ticks whenever the E atks?

[wooden sundial]

Barbara is unironically better than this version of Kuki

Hands down

[haughty mural]

No lol
Someone else said "she only heals active character" like it's a bad thing. So does benny, do does the E skill of two othera, so does other heal skills we use regularly. They aren't considered bad because of it, so I'm trying to figure out why we consider that a black mark on kuki when it's pretty standard

[mental topaz]

Just off ttds I agree

[tiny sedge]

I use Barbara as heal for current abyss with Ayato... give stamina, heal, and hydro damage buff, help against pyro lector 🙃 + ttds

[patent timber]

she give stamina reduction and hydro dmg bonus too

[wooden sundial]

Just off the fact that I can run vape!Barb and her DPS is still somewhat functional as a sub-DPS

[haughty mural]

Like if she healed fast and strong, it sounds like healing the active character wouldn't be a bad thing

[wooden sundial]

While still meeting the same healing required

[tiny sedge]

It is a not bad thing, but for character with very small utility, we hope to at least have party heal

[grizzled elk]

You are missing the entire point

That's only an add on to how little she already has, "she does nothing AND ON TOP OF IT only heals the active character"

[mental topaz]

This ^^^

[haughty mural]

This STILL asserts that it's a bad thing

[blazing canopy]

Knowing newer 4* are doubling down in terms of constellations

[patent timber]

how fast does she heal?

[wooden sundial]

IT IS

[tiny sedge]

Kuki is bad

[grizzled elk]

ITS A BAD THING BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING ELSEEEEE

[wooden sundial]

There is no upside to it

[haughty mural]

WHY

[tiny sedge]

[haughty mural]

This makes no sense to me

[patent timber]

?

[wooden sundial]

Because healing 1 person < healing 4 people

For the same amount

The healing CV is pretty shit and it's not even party wide

[tiny sedge]

For character who ONLY utility it is heal, it is very bad

[grizzled elk]

BECAUSE SHE HAS NO OTHER UTILITY TO COMPENSATE AND ON TOP OF HER ALREADY LOW SCALINGS, HEALS ONLY THE ACTIVE CHARACTER MEANING SHE ISNT EVEN GOOD AT HEALING

[haughty mural]

Why all the caps like i can hear you better now smh

[mental topaz]

Lol everyone is talking with caps

[tiny sedge]

[blazing canopy]

Qiqi doesn't contribute that much to damage like at all

[grizzled elk]

Bro this guy deaf

[haughty mural]

STOP YELLING

[grizzled elk]

Uh

[wooden sundial]

With Ocean she can

[grizzled elk]

Ohc

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi ocean clam is strong

[blazing canopy]

Not with that attitude

[haughty mural]

Keep talking about overall kit i won't stop you

[tiny sedge]

What is it you want to discuss, only heal ?

[wooden sundial]

We're looking at the kit as a whole, because ofc you would

[grizzled elk]

If she could heal the entire team we could literally quadruple clam damage

[blazing canopy]

Between off field support for Taser vs Pure healing is that all you care about

[wooden sundial]

You get weird results if you just look at one aspect of a kit

[grizzled elk]

Or atleast up her scalings

Or give her some support

[wooden sundial]

"Noelle is bottom tier because her particle gen is 0"

[grizzled elk]

Noelle is ok tier

Anyone have Noelle sheets btw

[wooden sundial]

The issue is no matter what angle you look at Kuki, it doesn't look flattering

[tiny sedge]

Make me so sad she is so bad

[blazing canopy]

Swapping Beidou for Shinobu is a total DPS loss in general

[wooden sundial]

That's an understatement

What if we replaced one of the highest sheeting sub-DPS with somebody that does almost no damage?

[blazing canopy]

This is theorycrafting, we're not here to judge what's good or bad

[wooden sundial]

Uh...

That is a joke, yes?

[tiny sedge]

I thought theorycraft is to find strong team and optimize

[wooden sundial]

And to do that, something has to be better than something else

[grizzled elk]

Uh no

Why is that the case

Wait I misread it

Yea

[tiny sedge]

[grizzled elk]

I thought you meant replacing Shinobu with beidou is a loss

Mb

[blazing canopy]

I mean you could use her in place of Beidou for Taser teams

[grizzled elk]

But the thing is we probably lost like atleast 10k dps from that swap

🗿

[wooden sundial]

If you want to go that route, Qiqi Taser is right there

Better healing, better damage

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi and Kokomi taser it is more comfortable

[blazing canopy]

Cryo

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi Taser with superconduct, ocean clam, it is high damage

Best team to use all of clam onfield qiqi

[wooden sundial]

Yeah, not sure why you think it doesn't work

It was okay even before Ocean, Ocean just pushed it up to good

[tiny sedge]

she is also very fast normal attack, only behind of Ayato. She is drive beidou very well

[blazing canopy]

You might want Electro Resonance if you're considering Taser

[tiny sedge]

Fischl Beidou...

[patent timber]

taser runs fischl beidou

[blazing canopy]

That's the point

[patent timber]

ok and..

[blazing canopy]

No buts, ands or ifs about it

[wooden sundial]

You want electro resonance, it gives electro resonance

[tiny sedge]

I am confused

[wooden sundial]

Both Qiqi and Koko Taser do

[patent timber]

me too

[tiny sedge]

Compare to comfort taser option, kuki is worse heal anyway

[wooden sundial]

And worse damage

[patent timber]

and worse er generation

[tiny sedge]

[mental topaz]

Probably Yae Kuki Sucrose + Dendro unit for Intensified comp

[wooden sundial]

Kuki being a healer for Yae is about the only place I can stick her in my mind, Koko is still a better choice for that

[grizzled elk]

And you know the worst part about everything

An em build doesn't work either

Her ec ownership is dogshit

And she shouldn't be triggering overload

[patent timber]

[tiny sedge]

Monday hope for buff.. Same way Ayato is helped 😅

[wooden sundial]

It would have to be the lord of all buffs

The biggest buff we've ever seen

Like an "Oops, we shipped the wrong kit" buff

[torpid oak]

You can run a meme full Clam comp with QiQi, Kuki, Kokomi, & Diona or something

[tiny sedge]

Yes.. it is need to add so much, she seem on less powerful than even Thoma to me

[mental topaz]

Honestly who is better rn? Kuki or Aloy

[wooden sundial]

Aloy

[tiny sedge]

Aloy is make more energy 🙃

[wooden sundial]

Not even close, Aloy

[tiny sedge]

Damage, attack buff....

[mental topaz]

[torpid oak]

[wooden sundial]

Aloy is at least functional in reverse melt

And has potential for battery power with Sac

[tiny sedge]

Not RNG on energy particle...

[wooden sundial]

When I heard Kuki's DPS numbers, I thought people put the decimal place in the wrong spot

Unironically

[tiny sedge]

Using Kuki as only for aesthetic anyway, likely I just will build her as physical dps 🙃

Unless she is buff

[wooden sundial]

Is it sad that building her as a physical carry would probably allow for comparable DPS numbers?

[patent timber]

same , I legti couldn't believe it

[wooden sundial]

Even ADC Qiqi did like 3-4k pre-Ocean

[wooden sundial]

"What if we made an electro Qiqi?

Cool, what if we made it so she couldn't heal correctly so Ocean didn't work?"

[tiny sedge]

Been farming Tenacity for her this week.. Maybe will just give her the Pale Flame instead 🙃 she is able to get 4pc effect always

[subtle finch]

copium idea

maybe Kuki as a clam healer with Razor

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi it is better already instead?

[torpid oak]

Wouldn’t QiQi straight up work better though?

[subtle finch]

isnt qiqi clam healing off field not good?

[wooden sundial]

Depends on if you can fund the Q

[subtle finch]

you cant

[wooden sundial]

So no, it's very poor

[tiny sedge]

I have high ER in my clam build and A4 talisman it is okay enough sometimes

My clam Qiqi it is around 200 ER

[wooden sundial]

Razor / Raiden / Qiqi

[manic umbra]

she will get buff for sure

its obvious she will get buff

so dont worry

[wooden sundial]

Too busy setting up the next Yae fix in beta probably

[subtle finch]

Kuki E
Razor E
Rosaria eQ
Kuki E
Yelan EQ
Razor NEQ N4D N4D N4E N4D

[manic umbra]

its just what they are gonna buff

[wooden sundial]

Why don't we start with mega-buffing the A4?

And then making E damage scale with HP%?

[small turtle]

[subtle finch]

throw her a4 in the trash can

and make a new one

[torpid oak]

Are we still getting an update on Monday? Or did the last update count as this week’s update?

[subtle finch]

one that makes her ult actually do something

[small turtle]

at this point in time, i think only eula team benefit from this...i think

[tiny sedge]

A4 even if it is like Thoma/Zhongli of slight HP scale into E I will be happy...

[wooden sundial]

Honestly, I'd buff by across the board scaling increases, doubling particle gen, and making E a party heal

[small turtle]

just make her C6 shred things

STOP PUTTING FUCKING EXISTING KIT INTO KUKI

[tiny sedge]

If E heal maybe just party heal on cast it is okay.. any buff is okay

[wooden sundial]

Making E a party heal alone would go a long way

[small turtle]

ill apply for mihoyo as their kit maker

[torpid oak]

Make her C6 just Lisa’s Def Shred passive

[small turtle]

and ill smack their faces with all the kits i saw from OC's

[subtle finch]

That would be huge

[manic umbra]

e party heal would not help her below 50%

[tiny sedge]

Is it powercreep Lisa if Kuki is have Defense debuff

[small turtle]

lisa has it from base

put it on kuki c6

[wooden sundial]

Scrap that stupid shit

[subtle finch]

No

[wooden sundial]

The below 50%

[subtle finch]

Right now Kuki has way too many useless pieces in her kit

[manic umbra]

thats what make her unique

[wooden sundial]

Adding an HP% threshold on a healer ffs

[torpid oak]

[tiny sedge]

Oh, thought Lisa most use is just the defense debuff, not sure how strong is her damage, but she is also ttods book too

[subtle finch]

Being unique isn’t good if it makes you bad

[small turtle]

kuki is like that one tray in recess

where everything is mixed up already

[manic umbra]

i dont wanna another yae where they make her kit boring

[small turtle]

thats what kuki is right now

[subtle finch]

Why not be unique and good

[small turtle]

all thrown existing kits that provides nothing new

[manic umbra]

true

[subtle finch]

Unique shouldn’t be an excuse for being bad

[small turtle]

^

[torpid oak]

If a kit that’s split like 5 different ways to the point of uselessness is fun to you then

[wooden sundial]

Kuki E is double time Qiqi E, her Q is electro amber Q (?), and her A4 is Yae A4 but like 100x worse

[manic umbra]

either go all on EM or go full HP

[tiny sedge]

Yae A4 is already not strong

[wooden sundial]

Honestly I'd prefer if you needed a mix of both

[subtle finch]

Right now her kit has a bunch of useless shit holding her back like the terrible a4, ult that does nothing but damage and barely any damage, extremely underwhelming constellations bar c1-c2, weird split scaling resulting in horrible damage on both her E and Q, Q not doing anything other than damage despite doing low damage

[wooden sundial]

Kuki's A4 is so bad an entire line of EM gives her E 5 damage

[subtle finch]

It’s a fucking mess

[manic umbra]

I know its a mess right. its just I dont want another boring character

[subtle finch]

And I don’t know how this clusterfuck made it to beta

[tiny sedge]

It is sad.. want to see her character so long since Sayu or Itto talk about her

[subtle finch]

Same

[torpid oak]

It’s so shocking too since Yun Jin was right before Kuki and she’s like perfect

[wooden sundial]

You could literally increase the scaling of her A4 10-fold and it would still probably be mediocre

[mental topaz]

Mihoyo saw Barbara, Hu Tao, Sucrose, and scraped pieces of their kits onto Kuki

[tiny sedge]

Is 4* character get change in beta often ?

[simple cypress]

What is an example of a fun character or kit to you?

[subtle finch]

I didn’t even mention her mediocre particle generation and standard icd holding her back from even being used as an overload dps

It feels like they wanted her to not be good at anything

[wooden sundial]

Kuki feels like an echo fighter Qiqi, even if her numbers weren't shit

[tiny sedge]

Jack of All Trades was erased properly 🙃

[subtle finch]

What is an echo fighter

[torpid oak]

At this point it just feels like they have something against Inazuma 4*’s

[subtle finch]

Only Thoma and Yunjin

[tiny sedge]

What is bad of Inazuma 4*s ? I thought only Thoma is weak

[wooden sundial]

In fighting games, take a character, slightly modify frame data

Boom, echo fighter

[subtle finch]

But Thoma isn’t even as bad as people say imo

[mental topaz]

Look at Sara & Gorou before c6

[small turtle]

if they did with heizou, mihoyo will never exist again /j

[subtle finch]

It’s just that there aren’t many characters that want a character with Thomas niche

[simple cypress]

YJ is liyue

[subtle finch]

Typo

[tiny sedge]

Sara C2 maybe... But Gorou c0 seem okay anyway?

[subtle finch]

Meant Thoma and Kuki

[torpid oak]

Yun Jin is good wdym?

[subtle finch]

I meant Kuki

[simple cypress]

Ah okk

[torpid oak]

Oh

[subtle finch]

Thoma really isn’t even bad tho imo he’s just very niche

His kit isn’t a complete clusterfuck like Kukis

[tiny sedge]

Sara Gorou Sayu is all seem good to me

[mental topaz]

I can’t even use Gorou or Sara on my alt without their c6 when there are already better options than them

[wooden sundial]

He doesn't excel in that niche, but yeah, I'll say it again
Kuki makes Thoma look like Benny by comparison

[subtle finch]

^they are good

[simple cypress]

They're all good at what they're meant to do imo

[tiny sedge]

Gorou is not need C6

There is no team sheet yet for Kuki ? Is it because there are no good team now

[shrewd crescent]

Jack-of-all trades. A master of none

[mental topaz]

He feels like a waste of slot for my friend’s Itto team he says

[shrewd crescent]

That's the reason they'll go for

[mental topaz]

Sayu is great for exploration

[wooden sundial]

Functional at none

Is more accurate

[crude summit]

How much dpr does she do?

[tiny sedge]

I thought Gorou to have Defense buff and Geo damage buff is already strong, but c6 is just improving especially if it is have Albedo also. But it is off topic

Sayu great in exploration , but vv/heal and swirl damage it is strong always

[crude summit]

Do you have.... Sheets for that?

[simple cypress]

Other inazuma 4* cons improve their utility and highlight their strengths, but kuki's cons just attempt to fix her own weird problems in a weird way

[torpid oak]

You’re joking right?

[tiny sedge]

It is depending in team comp to find a whole rotation, but Kuki damage is low, and heal is low, so cannot have strong clam

[wooden sundial]

I took a picture of somebody else's statements, but from the sheets I've seen, no joke

If you want to destroy her healing, you can push for other builds for like...80k DPR?

Something stupidly low

[tiny sedge]

Her scaling is so weak, have Cinnabar spindle to change to defense scaling, it is more strong 🙃

[wooden sundial]

Scalings are so low that using the sword from the last Albedo event and going full defense with Husk is shockingly competitive

Just from the passive of that sword

[mental topaz]

LOL

Making Kuki scale off of everything

Not a single stat goes to waste

[tiny sedge]

HP Attack Defense and EM 🙃

[simple cypress]

Jack of all trades

[tiny sedge]

All artifact is good then

[torpid oak]

Add in the Emblem set and she’ll be ER scaling too

[mental topaz]

[tiny sedge]

Funny but it is so sad still

[crude summit]

im struggling to find sheets so imma just make my own

highly doubt its that bad

[tiny sedge]

I hope you find it is good somehow...

[shrewd crescent]

Jack of all Trades

[crude summit]

ill do a hda to test

[shrewd crescent]

Hda?

Hp/dmg/atk?

[subtle finch]

they are referencing mine

[crude summit]

lemme see em

[subtle finch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F3DGKj-htd6Ozp1KrXJ4WLda14XQfsEpskTd2fKrE9U/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy cosmos]

what about using kuki for TF Yelan

[crude summit]

you have fischl, why arent you ulting?

[subtle finch]

because the damage is shit

and not worth extending rotation i dont think

[crude summit]

isnt it like a 7 or 13 hit?

[subtle finch]

7-13 hits of shit damage

it'll add like 1k dps to her personal damage but extend the rotation by like a second

[crude summit]

im not seeing frame counts but just multiplying the value gives 32k damage in one ult, with if below one second already justifies a longer rotation by itself

if its longer you still get buffs that can increase team dps still

[subtle finch]

What buffs

[crude summit]

buffs procced off ults

[subtle finch]

She doesn’t have any buffs

I’m not sure what you’re referring to

I inputted in her Q at 7 hits and added a second to the rotation

Dps went down by 1k

13 hits, went back to 38k

It didn’t improve anything

It’s shit

Her q needs to be changed in tomorrows beta update

It’s so useless

[tardy cosmos]

I have an Idea that her burst should bring her HP to 50%. If it was above, it lowers down to 50%. If it's below, it heals her back to 50%

[subtle finch]

Increase the duration too

Make it last like 6 seconds or something

[crude summit]

4no?

[subtle finch]

That’s just worse ToTM

[crude summit]

not all comps already run 4no

[subtle finch]

Doesn’t matter

They have same attack buff

And ToTM has 100% uptime with her

Why would we use noblesse

[tiny sedge]

Is switch ToTM to noblesse maybe better from Burst damage 20% ? Or just the hp% and ToTM buff overall best because also improve heal

[subtle finch]

Both sets increase her burst damage

It scales in hp and ToTM scales with

[tiny sedge]

Okay , just thought if it is significant change to burst damage between the different sets

[subtle finch]

It won’t be

[tiny sedge]

Thank you 👍 Will just have ToTM for consistent and not need energy/field time in burst

[crude summit]

yeah nvm its like 50k dpr

even with burst

on my side at least

that aint good

[subtle finch]

See how painful it is it to be a Kuki fan right now?

[crude summit]

thought there might have been some dooming here, but it appears its my mistake

[subtle finch]

Yelan overtuned as fuck Kuki arguably most undertuned post 1.0 character ever

[subtle finch]

I’d never allow that

[tiny sedge]

Seem similar of power level to Amber 🙃

Yelan it is have so much utility + damage... it is unfair

[tardy cosmos]

what about something like this: Kuki ToTM, Zhongli Petra, Keqing Noblesse, Sara Emblem
Kuki E, Zhongli E, pick up
Sara E,Q, Keqing Q, Keqing E, CA
Sara CA, Kuki pick up, Kuki Q

[small turtle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dGHRqxzKdTQYtBlHgh1DisWZXxAoHblGQ-vckFynYH8/edit#gid=0