#kuki-theorycrafting
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Maybe dendro really will come with enemies that burn reaction u and u gonna need massive heals
Barbara meta
If dendro+electro is some sort of stacking DoT that increases with every reaction you can get going
omega cope but imajin
since electro always applies 100x per second
who is pingu me
Is thundering fury a no-go for shinobu?
isnt that reallly low damage for xinqiu
I might try something fun with her like kuki-tartaglia, beidou, yunjin
I asked how high your clam's dmg is on kuki
that sounds like a fun team comp especially if you replaced tartaglia with ayato too
not rotation but like the clam effect itself
Proto amber sword pls
depends on artifact setup
ya
Unless they put ayato in her trial event, i dont see that happening 😂
ive arranged different artifact setups tho
depending on the setup clam is a different number
understandable 💀
Every time I've calced her solo, her clam dmg is garbage
how much dmg are you considering garbage?
in my current setup i have it doing 10k per bubble
wait no, 9.6k
this is hp crit electro
Holy
with hydro resonance
But yeah that's KQM standards so yeah
without resonance i get7.8k
what weapon are you using on her?
sac sword
Sac over fav? Interesting
i was actually gonna ask if that would be good on her
Hmmmmmm\
3 secs downtime doesn't seem like the end of the world
its probobly gonna be her overall best weapon
Sac sword probably useless
are there any other weapons that would work on her
sorry, is it for ToM buff?
pjc, fav
or just E uptime?
that screenshot of mine? That's em-em-hb 4p clam
its for any set
i dont have pjc and my fav is on bennett
mmmh, but C2 kinda nullifies Sac use, no?
it absolutely does not
because you still cant get 100% E uptime unless your rotation is in increments of 15s
like 15 or 30s
otherwise you can not have 100% E uptime wihout sac sword
mmmh, I see
and if your E is down you arent applying electro doing damage or producing particles
or healing
when it comes to leveling her talents should you just only level her E? or her burst too what would you guys suggest
ok, I see, I see...not convinced, but I see the reasoning, to be tested
Not sure yet how important her Q actually is.
reason you arent convinced?
ah ok
im just wondering so ik how many books i need to farm for her
if kuki is being used to provide her team electro aura and her E is down and no longer applying electro, she isnt doing her job
It's too early for that rn
yeah ig
How’s kuki looking?
cope
Can she go in a team with raiden Yae and sucrose ?
She doesn't really seem right for mono electro
I still think Fav provides more team-utility and that it's what Kuki is more about, but could be wrong, of course
how exactly does fav provide more team utility? the entire purpose of fav is to provdie the team more energy, but sac does that and more
more E uptime is more particles, more electro application, more healing, which means more clam damage, more E damage, which means more TOTM
fav only provides one of those things
should be about 4 particles over 15s if i count correct
4 particles per c2 E right? On average
its not terrible
jinx
but i wouldve really liked for it to be better
thats almost half fischls particle production
Does her burst suck?
yeah unfortunately her ohter utiltiy outsides of healing is looking lackluster (energy production, damage, electro application)
how can sac provide more energy? Her E does not provide all particles instantly like xingqiu.
prayge for buffs 
i never really doompost, didn't even doompost yae but
the longer your E is up the more particles you make
kuki looks pretty lackluster
4 particle over 15s?
its like thoma all over again
she already has 100% uptime at C2..
That's pretty bad
no she doesnt
the only cope is that with Yae and Kuki now both having EM scaling, they might have some plans for dendro
Why is mhy so afraid of actually making a strong unit lately
Agreed. I hope they take a serious look at her in beta
almost every unit hteyve released has been strong
Yelan?
also its week 1 of beta
ayato?
Yelan looks quite strong atm
I prefer xq ngl
I thought we previously thought particle regen is at 66%, did any leaker confirm particle regen?
yelan is just xq but with added energy issues
yeah and i prefer xiao to ayaka
cehck leaks channel
can you explain?
but that doesn't mean they're not stronger
As far as 4* yunjin is pretty strong despite being niche as well as kujou sara
apparently the video we saw had extremely good luck
cuz Uba said he tested 200 E ticks and got 40% particle rate
unless Uba just pepegad somewhere and counted completely wrong
yunjin is good and she buffs normal attacks too
that isnt an impossibility
you cant have 100% uptime on her E unless your rotation is increments of 15 seconds
I didn't count but the tester who did knows what he's doing
it could be just lucky/unlucky
even if your rotation is 20 second and you have 5 seconds down time. How many particles can be generated during that 5 second? 2 extra electro particles is no where as good as the white particles that fav produce on a 6 sec CD
it was just above but rounded down to 40
im not arguing that sac provides more team energy than fav
I can't give perfect numbers to protect testers
im saying both fav and sac increase her energy production but sac also provides a lot more utility
Is it 42.69%
Close enough
hopefully she gets buffed
44%? 
Dammit kuki not dank enough
Fav produce waaay more energy so it's obviously equal to more utility. not to mention if you miss the sac reset then have to wait another 1.5 sec for another proc.
Noir I did my first sheet and I would like you to check it out please. If you're not busy
The thing is in combat some of those procs wont connect as u go from wave to wave either
Just above 40%? Sounds like 95% to me, am I right? 
if you miss the sac reset just Q and get E reset from the Q while using it
if I understand your statement for using sac somewhat, sac allows you to use her E again whenever needed according to your rotation?
sac allows her to have 100% E uptime even if your rotation istn 15/30s
Send it
gotcha 
which is extremely important for many things, such as electro application and totm/clam uptime
Due to my anxiety ill send it in a dm 
sure
there isn't even a need for 100% uptime. Don't need to heal 100% of the time to be viable. For electro application there is decay time for electro aura and probably run her with another electro too.
there absolutely is a need for 100% E uptime and i literally already said why
On the other hand it means you need to swap to kuki 5s after you cast your first e for a 20s rot
Whether it's worth that extra fieldtime or not might be the question
Time is a big factor in maximizing dps
example: in the popular team idea of ayato yelan kazuha kuki, you absolutely need the E uptime
totm have 3 second duration, so the buff actually lingers for more 3 seconds after the skill ends
you have plenty of time
only if you are able to swap back to her in that time
which you arent going to be able to do if you are on someone that you need to stay on for their dps window

Yeah
It's probably worth if you are on a 25s rot
what im getting from this is that whether sac is good depends on the team comp, that correct?
Swap back to kuki after 10s
So does kuki’s burst work like amber’s but with icd?
vast majority of teams arent gonna be on a 15/30s rotation
that's true
For 18-21s rot it will be more questionable
sac should be good in any team that isnt operating in increments of 15s
so then that makes sac just her better weapon overall
Iirc ambers has icd as well, it just hits alot
Amber already has ICD, and supposedly, its the same as kukis, in thtat they both hit a lot
Overload has its own icd
Altho it’d be better if Kuki was the one triggering it
Since she benefits from em
.5 second icd on overload
Does the overload icd reset with hits as well if you get more within the 0.5 sec?
U cant get more than one in the .5 on the same enemy
U can get splash damage though if its a few of them
if we use an anemo grouper so the enemies are all together and then kuki + amber burst it would make sure enemies don’t walk out of the bursts b4 they end 
yelan q amber q kazuha E?
Yea but imo, at that point you just forcing it
What if overvape amber 
I feel you don't need amber. You can do the same with kuki q to bennett qe
But amber for the memes look fun
Something to pull out when ppl go “amber bad” 
Anyway I think I’ll try to get kuki
She’s interesting
You can't because the ult will end by the time you switch
does kuki look like a healer than you can use by herself as the only healer in a team? for general purposes
Yea
she should do perfectly fine as solo healer
True 
okok thats good
Id use her in hyukin with xiao or something probably lol
Then again, shes not out contributing zhongli for sure
So kuki e is sorta like electro Barbara but does dmg?
Kuki e benn eq kazuha eq kuki eq xl qe for a rotation starter doesnt sound bad
With sac sword kuki
But don't think it's worth it to run sac for one extra overload in that team
what are you doing in the rest of the rotation
you've got 12 seconds of xiangling Q to fill tho
also there's no need to double swirl on that team.
Yeah just pyro is enough
sac Kazuha takes a lot of field time, especially if you have c1.
even with sac I can't seem to make this work 
What's your favourite way to build Kuki right now?
I'm inclined to go 4p totm with 3x EM, but I'm worried about EC consistensy if paired with Yae-xq-suc. HP-elec-crit seems okayge
I kinda want to try kazuha xq kuki fish
Kuki E 1
Bennet QE 1.5
Kazuha holdE 2.2
Xiangling QE 2
Bennet E 1
Xiangling 1
Kazuha QE 3.2
Bennet E 1
Xinagling funnel 1
Kuki Q 1
Bennet E 1
Xiangling funnel 1
Kazuha E 1.7
this might work for that team
best i could come up with
wait no it doesnt
kazuha gonna be on cooldown for the 2nd one
would have to come up with a different rotation for rotation 2
Yoy don't need to fully fill the rot and make some buffer to just auto with xl or benn
No really need for a strict rotation order really. the only thing that need to be keep in mind is to snap shot xiangling Q. Other than that just go switch around and spam things on CD
But unless it's sac three kaz e in a rot is an issue
but it's true that rotation feels a bit empty without a sac kazuha
HELLO I HEARD CHADIUM

hmmm im thinking of replacing benny for klee there against heavy targets. now I can see why sac kuki is good
hows it sound
From my experience diluc q e may overwhelm electro aura unless 2+ targets

Kuki's Healing is based on HP? 🤔
So for that to be most efficient we need kuki icd gone 
ok replace beidou with fischl

replacing beidou with xingqiu for no way diluc can overwrite pyro aura
It's rainslasher here and we have to make sure diluc is always the trigger
Sac kuki also makes it easier for the 3.5s q to happen in first rot
So during 2e q is only done at the end of it
wait actually fischl over beidou there would also let it be a 18s rotation
wouldnt it
Diluc too much pyro
assuming we use 1 fischl E not E and Q both
Yea if you q at fischl 8s mark
Oh hm
if too much pyro, use both yeeland and xingqiu. solve their energy thing issue too probably
Kek
yelan+xinqiu would work, just wouldnt be able to do an 18s rotation
but might be worth
Yea it's 1/3 rn
prob gotta go fischl kuki
Shinobu over Beidou is an overall loss in damage output but is it worth the heals?
i dont do healerless comps
oh, TF Diluc?
yeah
Yes tf diluc
Overvape
It's a fun team
R5 rainslasher
Not sure if em sands will diminish too much from atk sands
Rainslasher already has em sub
Elegy yelan may work well here 
You'd be doing 2(e n2 e n2 e) for the procs
5 man team 
Prolly takes like 14 whole seconds tho actually
oh oops derp
Just remove xq still the same
im at work multi tasking

Yea that is basically the rotation

You literally just do everything
E n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2
Fischl needs to keep auto attackin
Braindead team lmao
raiden maybe
and the intent is to be able to do this stuff as close to 18s rot as possible
wym
oh I mean to make fischl electro application good you need to auto attack to proc c6
a4 should trigger every time he does overload
her a4 has no icd
it applies electro every time
oh forgot about that
wait a4 has no ICD?
Yelan EQ 3
Kuki E 1
Fischl E 1
Diluc E n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 ?
apparently not
Just treat it as 14s lmfao
It's hella long
praws if you can map out the amount of reactions and which exact hits should get them
i can calc this
tomorrow
Raiden e should be similar to kuki e right
calcing yelan buff tho 
think so
Yea alr
Well slightly atleast
instead of giving kuki em scaling they shoulda gave her an em buff
to make this team funnier

4 Inst Kuki?
uptime on it wont be good i dont think
Lemme see
Which is what makes tf ol diluc so fun
I wish I had jean
Seems tight enough that extending rot with 4tf is not worth it
But i will look forward to it
is sub dps kuki viable or should i just give her 4totm with hp/hp/healing
second option can still do decent burst damage since her burst is hp scaling

Assuming 1e fav
made possible
We are trying to simulate tf diluc
You are correct actually
noir big brain
Normally you'd slot in beidou so you'd have enough electro
Or Bennett who applies 2u pyro
But kuki makes this possible and realistic
Lmao

Masanori keeps dashing and making me miss 1 proc
Id try on a ruin guard but the damage too cracked

Yea it's very short
why yelan Q so long 

Wait I just remembered
Altho I like burst animations
thats why is an option
not a requirement
The ruin brazier at araumi
the what
Dragonspine ruin guard
ruin grader?
Idk name
do they have more hp than guards?
Yes

Also it's in inazuma
wait but theres grass wont burning mess it up
wait o
burning only affect you
not enemy

Pog
really?
first I'm hearing of it
I've definitely waited for hilichurls to die of burning
Maybe from campfire
Shinobu should be good in eula teams right? As electro app/healer
Ec ownership:
3 raiden
8 fischl
5 xingqiu
Overload triggers:
1 fischl
7 diluc
Vaporize occurs on all Es, none on nas @subtle finch
Edit : mb diluc should have 7, he can't get full 8 due to fischl expiry tho
For reference at the start diluc q overwhelms electro briefly before fischl regains aura with ec
Ec ownership sounds about right on what I expected actually
Raiden is 2.7s app not 3 but it should be close enough to kuki
2 tf procs each time
N2 covers it perfectly
It's just e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e
should be, in theory, alows for more flexibility to slot Rosalia
So yea the rotation with xq is also about 20s
ToM Shinobu + Noblesse Rosalia for max buffing powa
Diluc himself takes 14-15
Have anyone calced kuki e and q frames?
Both seems to be 1 secondish
Anyone considered Yae-Kuki-Xq-Sucrose? Is it worth going EM on kuki or nah
kuki particle gen?
40% chance of generating 1 particle per skill hit
Is that good or bad compared to others?
40 hits over 1 minute x 40% = 16 per minute
kinda mid
premier batteries do like 24 per minutes
but it's more convenient since she generates off field
like fischl
Hmm ok ty
kuki is fischl who trades damage and range for healing and uptime
Still shilling triple EM now that we know she's got standard icd?
hp-elec-crit clam?? 
yes
since I always feelscraft based on 5x procs of OL over 15s
I wanna pair her with my yae but I don't see her getting any ECs off
4husk is not better?
Are you really intent on farming a good 4p husk set?
The difference is super small because you aren't taking benefits from the geo bonus dmg
It's really not worth the effort
It adds just 1.2k dmg to E in total (C2) which is a 3% increase
@crimson oasis wdyt
Seems just like any other petra build for any other character really
Petra doesn't really add anything that synergizes with the character, but just as bolide can always kinda work on someone if you want to focus on their damage
I personally don't think it's a good idea to focus on Kuki's damage at all. Her modifiers aren't made with a DPS in mind so you're just trying to use an axe as a hammer
The damage is nice to have, but number one priority should be her utilities.. E uptime, applying aura or popping reactions, heals, possible ToM/Nob buff
I really only think it's worth exploring ToM, Nob or maybe Clam (if you can get 10k clams off) as 4p sets, 2p sets for people that don't want to invest too much can just be your typical tf/shim/glad/etc.
Issue with 3em is just low ec ownership due to icds and she won't be a great overload trigger
HB doesn't really seem necessary unless you want clam damage again, usually just HP sands or decent amount of HP subs is enough to get to a respectable amount of healing
Yeah that's also an issue. I explored the possibility of yae comps (excl. ayato because I don't wanna pull for him) and they all had pretty poor reaction ownership on kuki
P much
But her role as an electro applier while healing is valuable
what about overload
like with yf/klee
I did not know or understand why till now honestly
That might work if she's the only electro, but it's anti-synergistic since they're ranged dealers, kuki is melee and overload blows people away.
Also won't ever be meta
Yeah she definitely has a spot in taser teams, just not going EM
With my current perspective I would use her as hp/elec/crit with 4p nob in my taser team. ToM is just as viable, I just cannot be arsed farming for an elec and/or crit piece and/or hp sands in that set (currently only have good flower and feather for that particular build)
However Noir did say that he manages to get 150k personal damage out of her and strong Clam hits, so it's not like there isn't a way things are possible that way around.. Probably requires ayato + xq together though and I don't have the former
We are speculating full ohc build on yelan ayato kuki kazuha, hydro reso will help as well
Yea referring to this
Aye I just cannot be arsed going for Ayato myself. His kit doesn't seem interesting to me and I'm still recovering from going for C2 Yae
Hello, so Kuki ICD it is standard, so maybe is EM build not strong as much now ? From other idea of Overload in team with Klee as example
Em build is not favourable
Even less interested in Yelan, whom I don't see as much more than just a XQ with possibly better damage at the cost of more ER issues
She will not have good ec ownership and in the teams she's going to be used in
Also won't be the ol trigger
Okay thank you, also is there information on A4 scaling now ? If it is only flat increase and low heal increase also ? Wonder if to use Iron Sting or ER weapon
I think maybe to just use a ER weapon? and Tenacity set normal Electro/Crit, but if to focus on HP or Attack for the Skill or Burst is better because scaling is split
Sac sword is most likely the best choice because it guarantees E uptime
Fav sword a close second because it adds nrg to the rest of the team
EM scaling is not amazing on her A4
Okay, my sac sword it is only R1 but Xingqiu have my Fav sword. It is 30 second cooldown to Sac effect which is not good if cooldown rotation it is 24 second
Hope to get more of refinement
The way I see it, you either go for PJC (More personal gains in dmg and heals), Freedom Sworn (team buff and tiny bit extra personal increase) or Sac/Fav
Sac is only sword I have then 🙃 no 5*
Thank you in advice I want to build her as good support, but try to make damage as okay too
I have almost every sword for her
If she isn't doing reactions, just forget about her dmg really
She's still good as an aura applier and healer, but in that case just focus on her support
I think HP% is good ? To have burst damage more and increase heal. If it is tenacity set she is also get Attack buff?
Oh
So maybe to just ignore electro/crit, only build HP ? Same artifact as a Zhongli
hp/elec/crit is more than enough heals imo
I don't really know when someone actually NEEDS a 3.5k heal every 1.5 seconds
IMO getting a 2.2k heal every 1.5 seconds is plenty to not die
Okay, just was worried on heal because of only heal 1 character
You don't have to sweat for elec cup though, but definitely try to get a crit circlet if you use fav
Okay, maybe just not need to invest high into her
She is easy build like a Bennett
Does not seem that spend lots of resin in her is so valuable
I compared a bunch of artifacts in a spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFQTsCd_EAegy3WMWQQ8tHxxK6kQqHb1a15aFTf6q04/edit?usp=sharing
Summary
4p Millelith,4p Noblesse,4p Clam,2p Husk 2p Glad
hp-elec-crit,atk-elec-crit,em-em-em,hp-em-em,def-elec-crit,hp-elec-crit,atk-elec-crit,em-em-em,hp-em-em,def-elec-crit,hp-hp-hb,em-em-hb,hp-hp-hp,hp-hp-crit,hp-elec-crit,def-elec-crit
E DMG,2064,2396,996,975,3881,1957,2396,996,876,3222,904,876
I can't guarantee the maths is perfect but it can serve as an outliner
outliner
Okay thank you I will look it
Seem like it is not so much difference, but the Defense build it is so much high damage compare to others
What’s the tl;dr on that doc
mess

How is def coming into picture, isnt she HP scaling, with little EM scaling
copium spindle mfs
april fools is over smh
hyv finally releases an electro healer
people kit her out to be a dps

If they'd just made Shinobu DEF scaling, she'd be so amazing.
tbh, even if I played her cinnabar, i would not be willing to sacrifice her already low healing further to the point of giving her a Def sands instead of a HP one
If I play her Cinnabar, I'd personally still go HP I guess
I mean, it's really early still. They might update her MVs.
Or give her E dmg HP scaling.
Ideally, both.
way too drastic of a change imo
I absolutelly dont believe nor hope for HP dmg scaling on E
the skill is already packing most of Kuki's power budget as is
how does her passive EM to damage work ? is it damage% or flat damage ?
Appears to be flat
how u know
Wording
Kazu's c6 is flat too?
well, then u dont know
I hope I'm wrong but its probably flat
by the logic of having a different wording meaning it works differently, then the EM scaling on heal is not flat since it isnt the same wording as Sayu's C6
so, well, we dont know
How we doin
it would be almost useless if it was flat, it's like getting ~200 attack
Not the first useless passive they make
They'll nerf the hell out of her MVs if it happens
id be fine with that
being able to build her E and Q damage at same time would be a noticable improvement
Agree. It would make life so much easier. And it would give Genshin Twitter to tweet "hp impact" for memes and malding 
Well, they won't do that because Heizou's gonna come out as an HP buffer.
(I know that's baseless, but I'll look so big brain if he does)
For Xiao

Heizou's just gonna be an Anemo shielder that absorbs elements into shields and gives shield strength based on em 
Nah, Anemo shielder that buffs the HP of other characters. No EM transfer, but he'll have a low Q CD and enable Ambtao with Yelan.
Anemo xq

Anemo shielder that shreds anemo res based on em at c6
UM that'd be way too OP.
But shreds it by 0.0004% 
Anything that adds up to 10-15% anemo shred
Shreds anemo res based on 0.01% of em
There. Balanced 
how many times does kuki's burst hit
7 at above 50% hp
13 below 50% hp
I still feel like that's a scam
not enough :')
i wonder how many overloads would trigger with empowered kuki ult + amber ult
great idea dotto
if u use empowered one, we can assume they will be able to at least have the duration overlap
Isn't there a cd on OL
anyway, whats the main niche kuki seems to have so far? prettiest normal attacks?
mask
League of Legends lookalikes
akali pains me on rift already
not here either ;-;
At least you don't have to face her, just use her
oh, i dont face her in league either
my best friend is trying to learn akali
for the past week
she then blames me (the support) for losing as akali top 💀
wording similar with thoma's
Kuki mains better complain about kuki so she gets changes too 
Is it maybe she is just not designed for high damage at all ? Though constellations is strange and burst it is no utility, only damage . The main buff she need is just scaling change only ?
I don't know what buff she need to be better, except damage increasing . Maybe also utility in burst and change A4 to other useful buff
Damage is whatever, she needs utility buff.
Her burst right now doesn't make sense to me
Yes I think burst need a utility somehow it is only damage for support character
is electro even a good shieldbreak element
It's the jack of all trades
Is it only shield break ? I thought it is standard ICD so maybe not as much application
At least, before electro mages came into the picture
3 hit though
sa,e as amber
So 4 reaction procs below 50%?
Okay , also with the long duration in low health it is more hits
What other utility should burst have
a shield
Maybe similar character to Diona then, but more of heal than shielding . To add shield it is create new model and animation , maybe not likely 
a shield, a debuff, a buff, something
It is attack only
atk
Some split scaling I see
I thought she would be all HP scaling
It would be smart if she is
copium, it scales off copium, the higher the copium, the stronger it is
MVs would have to be lower
But it would make her so much easier to build so I'd take it
Split scaling release is so sad, make like Yelan of only HP she can be strong. Take some Yelan utility 🙃
a shred would do wonders for her ult imo
Only 10%? Razor gets 15% in c4 and Lisa gets 15% in base kit
seem locked 15% for 4star
mihoyo can't be taking away good passive away from me anymore
I'm still coping from yae's passive changed into what it is now
hii what are good weapons for kuki? i saw that jade cutter is her BiS iirc?
just change EM turninf to dmg passives
Idc if it makes EM not a dead stat, its useless
just cope with dendro em buff
i thought they learnt that em is meh for electro from lisa the 1st experiment
They didnt learn anything
Collerating the Yae EM passive with potential Dendro synergy might have been cope but it being the case with Kuki too is totally a sign
Both of the passives are about their DoT skill too

Hoyoverse giving us mini sucrose as a reaction is lame

2
2 s / 3.5 s
might hit 3.5 on longer fight but 
3.5 if under 50% HP, which honestly should always be the case
At this point the EM passives are definitely not random, they’re setting up for reactions. Also, what does DoT mean?
Damage over time
Aka Yae's totems and Kuki's E
Ah I see, thanks!
i wonder if the EM gain from the supposed dendro reaction would stack
and thats why they put it on DoTs
I'm thinking so
that's why it's called intensified
Sounds like electro burn
Or maybe it's like the Volitile status effect in destiny 2
what does it do
pls tell me it shreds
Basically you get marked with the element and when you take damage of the same element (Void in this case) it stacks until it finally blows up
Better than "burning but purple"
Sounds very interesting
so it intensifies until it explodes
There's more. Such as "Suppressed" which just debuffs the enemy or yourself by slowing movement, weakening damage and preventing you from using your abilities. Don't know how that would work if they ever wanted to try something like that all in one in Genshin

is this in genshin
No it's a status effect in Destiny 2
I was just thinking about how they'd put it in Genshin if Hoyo wanted to go down that path
if they were to bring it in genshin, i assume dendro+hydro being some sort of entangle could work
with similar effects
Wonder what interesting reaction you could make with cryo + dendro. Maybe a lingering reaction but I don't know where to go from there
what if withering or smth
some dot true dmg
DoT shred
Shreds cryo res by 3% per second. Reaction lasts for 5 seconds 

Does kuki’s skill apply electro
yes it does, standard icd
Could she be used in super conduct? 
she could yes
is the particle generation thing good or bad?
Bad.
oh is she not a good battery now?
so-so
@ 60+ ascension from the calcs i did her A4 isnt really that bad it would seem
16 particles per minutes
Assuming EM is a flat bonus. It scales only like 50healing worse
What if you slapped sac on her to make her a better battery, like diona
Her parti gen is overtime
It’s 40% chance per E hit
So resetting her E cast wouldnt improve her parti gen but her parti gen isnt that bad
I believe it’s 10 hits per E since it’s 1.2s ticks over 12 sec so an average of 4 partis OT. Better than nothing lol
Kuki doesn’t seem…. Whats the word…. good
Fav could work on her and make her ult more valuable since it gives u reason to build crit + it seems to hit quickly
She is
Do we know the tickrate of her ulr?
She seems OK. She fills a fairly uncontested niche and role consolidates
What role?
She heals, applies electro, and uses ToM
Doesn’t seem too niche
Im saying that her niche as an electro healer
The only other contendor is amber lisa which is ok but no one uses it lol
She could work in electro reaction teams, mono electro, or just as a random healer
How is kuki looking guys?
Pretty purple
🙂
Good
wait did anything change with kuki
whats that uba post
why there a kuki v0 and v.1 link
Why are changes so early
No Changes, it's just included for the sake of it

It does it’s just conslocked to C4
and a 5 second cooldown
I wouldn't count that as the same thing
If she has 30k hp it's 2.9k dmg 

I mean it still does is my point. It sucks but at least theres some value lol
Maybe it's very strong 
Hopefully they buff her C4. Asking her ele skill to be HP might be too much since they didnt even do that for the critless witxh
But making her C4 be like an albedo hit would feel really nice at least
Even if it hit for like 15k tho it wouldnt be that good but it would look good lol
Ig the true advantage of her C4 is just the presumably separate ICD electro app
Just don't split the scaling man
Also does anyone know the tickrate of her ult??
I clicked my lap timer manually I would say 1.5s but not reliable
according to my math its not 
It looked like 8 hits in one of the videos
Yeah just found that video
8/3= 2.7 per sec. I feel like it might be 9 and one of the numbers jusr wasnt obvious cuz of genshin dmg numbers being weird tho
I’ll just focus on healing and physical Kuki for now, at least until Dendro comes and turns this copium into meta 
Oh wait was that video above 50% HP?
Wait
Yeah it was so 4 ticks per sec that makes more sense
It’s just that the scaling is so low
Or 14 ticks with hold and 26 ticks with C2
Honestly with C2 that isnt that bad damage with high crit
Assuming everything crits that’s 68k dmg with base cdmg
Do we know the icd of her ult?
Her ult with C2 might make her EM scaling more worth since it could proc a lot of reactions ? Or actually it prob applies so much that the opposite is true nvm
Tbh with high investment she might be comparable in dmg to sara (in some scenarios, obv sara should be better v big enemies) but with healing and ToM instead of buffing
*with C2+ ****
With T8, her A4 with an EM sub gives +1.2 more healing than a flat hp sub

standard iirc
yeah
ToM and nob are pretty much interchangable on Kuki as long as you got enough ER. If you run sac sword (which imo you really want to either way) then you should probably have enough for nob in a duo-electro team
Why sac sword instead of fav sword
E uptime
uptime already high. no?
It does if your rotation is 15 sec or in increments of 15
c2 even 100% uptime
Or you got some wacky rotation
oh rotation
So basically her dmg, weapon, and artifact options aren’t bad it’s just that her role isn’t needed as much since u don’t really need a healer over a buffer (sara)
but what if she works in teams that aren’t only electro like for example hutao overvape
Actually that depends on her icd
You dont really want a healer that continuously heal HuTao
🙂 forgot about that
I’m always forgetting something
Can put her on Eula and equip her with totm4
Yeah that seems actually pretty nice
I do think her role opens up a lot of comps
You can play without a healer but it can feel really clunky depending on the comp
You can run Eula-Shinobu-Rosaria leaving you with one flex slot, she's a good 4th option for Itto, decent option for Xiao
Yep just what im thinking
You can also finally play taser Childe/Ayato with both a VV user and 2 Electro Units
(I mean Sayu exists but noone uses her)
Shes the only character rn that can run totm4pc without downside
What are the downsides to other characters
and why doesn’t it apply to kuki
In Zhongli case you have stay close to totem
Yeah Zhongli is very inconsistent
Same with Albedo
Qiqi is Qiqi
Ummm does kuki lose dmg
Oh
Ok
That’s pretty nice
Do you have any overvape comps
I also like how she doesn’t take a lot of field time
Yeah since her skill pulse is every 1.5sec and totm4pc can be trigger 0.5 and lasts 3seconds and its on character
Kinda like Sara but Sara is kinda annoying with the charge shot
Ok but is there any overvape comps
Rational is overvape comp
klee xingqiu kuki zl
Probably not because her electro application isn’t enough right
You want kuki to trigger overvape?
or change zl with fischl
Naw the pyro should be doing it
Maybe yoimiya could work
Youmiya kuki zhongli and xingqiu/yelan
I don't think kuki is enough to solo supply for overvape so something like yoimiya xq fischl/beidou kuki could work
Ec actually helps keep the hydro on enemies based on what I saw in overvape comps
Raiden is on field is the problem
If I want an on field pyro dps baal isn’t the best option
Oh you want pyro to be on field
Yes
Fischl works but I just wanted to see if kuki would work
because kuki is a healer 🙂
I might be reaching it tbh
This will most likely not work out that well because most overvape teams suck 🙂
That won't work
Would Kuki work with Yae Miko most likely?
She will as long as you aren't aiming to get kuki to go EM
ok thank you
yae also might have slightly higher ER reqs with kuki bc she doesn't generate as much energy as fischl or raiden
well i have a c1 yae miko so wouldn't that fix that probably?
yea
I'm probably gonna use her in a taser comp, just sucks that EC ownership probably is gonna be very contested
yeah
I said that already :).
However EM is quite a good stat for kuki. I wouldn't go triple EM
but maybe 1 EM piece and some subs is still good enough if she has some EC ownership
Swap zhongli with sucrose probably
Still not enough electro
Wdym yoimiya doesn’t apply vape that much
It'll probably be either a vape or an OL and not overvape
Wait isn’t overvape when vape and overload happens
When you vape an electrocharged unit
Yeah
Yoimiya won’t override the hydro
So why would it just be overload?
I don’t think her electro application is enough but there will be some overvape tho
Naw she has standard icd on everything
She only vapes like 3 times I think
Within her E
3 or 4 I forgot
Ok I wish kuki had better icd 🙂
You're gonna be running after your overloaded targets though xD
Since yoimiya doesn't move forward on her attacks
It depends on the enemies
That can be said for every overvape teams
thoughts on Kuki's energy generation?
And yoimiya wants her full string to do meaningful damage
What’s stopping her from using her full string
People not getting the 2nd load of electro
I think you didn’t added in the fact that sucrose is in the team
I already said the team is gonna be meh
Yeah it'll be good while sucrose has her Q up
but it's on cooldown longer than it's up
Then use it in the Q?
So yeah it feels a bit anti-synergistic
No but getting the electro going is tough
?
Unless you got sucrose's Q up
but again
that's up for like 4 secs
and then it's down for 16
Let's meet halfway
It’s 8 depending on your cons
It’s not like she’s gonna be on field for the whole rotation?
Most dps characters take about 8-12 seconds
and the only reason why it goes more than 10 is most likely because of using ult in the end or something so you might not even need to have it after the 8 seconds
You're free to try to calc the rotation, but it feels cope
[2.7 Beta]
Kuki Shinobu Testing
Particle Gen is ~40% chance per E proc (testing method similar to Yelan)
ICD is Standard for E and Q
E doesn't snapshot, Q does snapshot
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I already told you the team is meh lol
Then why are we still going on about this team
How is this compared to Fischl? 
but meh doesn’t mean don’t work
I didn't say it doesn't work
You’re saying stuff that I don’t agree with
I just think it's not synergistic
it's worse overall
I see... That's kinda expected
That’s besides the point. You’re saying stuff like cool downs and such won’t work. I said from the start that this team will be meh for several different reasons, but that doesn’t really make your statements right
So maybe a Beidou replacement in Taser and keep Fischl there
The only anti synergy is probably that kuki has bad application 
but I already acknowledged that
I was considering a yae-kuki taser, it'll be down on damage but that's what you get for slotting in a healer that isn't bennett

Yae-kuki might struggle with energy at C0 but swiping C1 fixes that
😦
Give kuki good application plz she deserves it imo
Application wouldn't even make her damage go up in that taser
She deserves better support capabilities
it's just that yae-kuki will do less damage than yae-fischl
Kinda would
She scales with em and if she’s proccing more ec than that’s only more dmg
Oh yeah for sure if you could get a triple EM kuki off that would have been great
Naw not that much em 🙂
but yeah we're not getting that 😭
I heard you say she scales well with em
Her healing does
Did you do calcs (not to put you in the spot. I just wanna know because I’m too lazy to do math :))
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you can do sucrose xq kuki fischl maybe
is 4pc clam set good for kuki
All I care about is changing scaling. Not for damage purposes I just want easy to build Kuki
That seems pretty good
Do you really need xingqiu? Can’t u sub him for Ayato or maybe yelan
Sucrose Yelan Kuki Fischl assuming the energy issue ain't too big
I doubt it 🙂
Sucrose and fischl are good batteries
Yeah
Sucrose not as good as fischl but she does help a lot
ayato xq/yelan kuki sucrose ngl
Ik Kuki not as good as Fischl, but is her batterying at least decent too?
I think it’s ok
Oh double hydro, maybe
I will try for you but I can’t say I’m good at it
give kooks em-em-hb clam
Ok
Bet
It’s gonna take me a while 🙂
Since this is my first time
Ok if this is rotation
Then
Why is there only one character
Energy Recharge Calculator
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Doesn’t there need to be more than one character
I don't rotation calc
I just calced her solo performance in different artifact sets
Mostly to show differences between em, atk/def and hp scaling
I’m just asking what team do you want me to calc
Rotations only can be calced if you tell me the team
oh. Ayato Yelan/Xq (whichever you feel like) Kuki Succ
I think they're essentially the same unit
Basically yeah
Yelan just needs slightly more ER but comes out on top for damage
Wait fr what about xingqiu and his burst dmg
I mean skill
Well this is what I quickly read in a glance yesterday
Well I didn’t see much either lol
idrc about yelan



