#kuki-theorycrafting

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crimson oasis
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Yeah that's the bad part innit

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Since kuki really kinda wants to go 3x EM

placid pine
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Can electro kazuha field do double swirl?

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Or is it on hydro only

main bay
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Maybe dendro really will come with enemies that burn reaction u and u gonna need massive heals

tawdry bone
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Barbara meta

crimson oasis
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If dendro+electro is some sort of stacking DoT that increases with every reaction you can get going

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omega cope but imajin

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since electro always applies 100x per second

subtle finch
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who is pingu me

lofty lily
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Is thundering fury a no-go for shinobu?

subtle finch
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isnt that reallly low damage for xinqiu

main bay
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I might try something fun with her like kuki-tartaglia, beidou, yunjin

crimson oasis
tough trout
crimson oasis
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not rotation but like the clam effect itself

placid pine
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Proto amber sword pls

subtle finch
crimson oasis
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Well you spoke of 150k personal dmg?

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With clam, right?

subtle finch
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ya

main bay
subtle finch
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ive arranged different artifact setups tho

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depending on the setup clam is a different number

crimson oasis
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Every time I've calced her solo, her clam dmg is garbage

subtle finch
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how much dmg are you considering garbage?

crimson oasis
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6k

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5.7 to be exact

subtle finch
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in my current setup i have it doing 10k per bubble

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wait no, 9.6k

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this is hp crit electro

crimson oasis
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Holy

subtle finch
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with hydro resonance

crimson oasis
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But yeah that's KQM standards so yeah

subtle finch
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without resonance i get7.8k

tough trout
subtle finch
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sac sword

crimson oasis
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Sac over fav? Interesting

subtle finch
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for uptime

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need sac for 100% e uptime

tough trout
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i was actually gonna ask if that would be good on her

glad harness
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Hmmmmmm\

crimson oasis
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3 secs downtime doesn't seem like the end of the world

subtle finch
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its probobly gonna be her overall best weapon

last flare
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Sac sword probably useless

tough trout
last flare
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sorry, is it for ToM buff?

crimson oasis
last flare
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or just E uptime?

crimson oasis
subtle finch
tough trout
last flare
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mmmh, but C2 kinda nullifies Sac use, no?

subtle finch
last flare
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why?

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just curious about the reasoning

subtle finch
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because you still cant get 100% E uptime unless your rotation is in increments of 15s

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like 15 or 30s

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otherwise you can not have 100% E uptime wihout sac sword

last flare
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mmmh, I see

subtle finch
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and if your E is down you arent applying electro doing damage or producing particles

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or healing

tough trout
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when it comes to leveling her talents should you just only level her E? or her burst too what would you guys suggest

last flare
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ok, I see, I see...not convinced, but I see the reasoning, to be tested

crimson oasis
subtle finch
tough trout
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im just wondering so ik how many books i need to farm for her

subtle finch
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if kuki is being used to provide her team electro aura and her E is down and no longer applying electro, she isnt doing her job

crimson oasis
tough trout
rain axle
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How’s kuki looking?

crimson oasis
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cope

subtle finch
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nothing groundshaking but usable

rain axle
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Can she go in a team with raiden Yae and sucrose ?

crimson oasis
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She doesn't really seem right for mono electro

last flare
subtle finch
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more E uptime is more particles, more electro application, more healing, which means more clam damage, more E damage, which means more TOTM

final tapir
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oof, that energy gen is quite off what i was hearing

subtle finch
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fav only provides one of those things

subtle finch
final tapir
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4 particles per c2 E right? On average

subtle finch
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its not terrible

final tapir
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jinx

subtle finch
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but i wouldve really liked for it to be better

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thats almost half fischls particle production

final tapir
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yeah it's lower than Yae's even

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but then again she has a 60 cost burst not 90

rain axle
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Does her burst suck?

subtle finch
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yeah unfortunately her ohter utiltiy outsides of healing is looking lackluster (energy production, damage, electro application)

glad harness
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how can sac provide more energy? Her E does not provide all particles instantly like xingqiu.

subtle finch
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prayge for buffs C_HutaoYEP

final tapir
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i never really doompost, didn't even doompost yae but

subtle finch
final tapir
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kuki looks pretty lackluster

plush mirage
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4 particle over 15s?

tough trout
glad harness
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she already has 100% uptime at C2..

plush mirage
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That's pretty bad

subtle finch
final tapir
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the only cope is that with Yae and Kuki now both having EM scaling, they might have some plans for dendro

crimson oasis
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Why is mhy so afraid of actually making a strong unit lately

main bay
subtle finch
subtle finch
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also its week 1 of beta

main bay
crimson oasis
plush mirage
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I thought we previously thought particle regen is at 66%, did any leaker confirm particle regen?

crimson oasis
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yelan is just xq but with added energy issues

final tapir
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yeah and i prefer xiao to ayaka

glad harness
final tapir
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but that doesn't mean they're not stronger

main bay
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As far as 4* yunjin is pretty strong despite being niche as well as kujou sara

subtle finch
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cuz Uba said he tested 200 E ticks and got 40% particle rate

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unless Uba just pepegad somewhere and counted completely wrong

tough trout
subtle finch
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that isnt an impossibility

plush mirage
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Right

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It may be 50 to be consistent with other turrets

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Just bad rng on uba side

subtle finch
knotty crag
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it could be just lucky/unlucky

subtle finch
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200 ticks is a pretty big sample size

knotty crag
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just saying it wasn't exactly 40%

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I keep some things slightly vague to avoid MHY

glad harness
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even if your rotation is 20 second and you have 5 seconds down time. How many particles can be generated during that 5 second? 2 extra electro particles is no where as good as the white particles that fav produce on a 6 sec CD

knotty crag
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it was just above but rounded down to 40

subtle finch
knotty crag
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I can't give perfect numbers to protect testers

subtle finch
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im saying both fav and sac increase her energy production but sac also provides a lot more utility

main bay
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Thats fair

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Protect our servicemen

plush mirage
knotty crag
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Close enough

subtle finch
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hopefully she gets buffed

icy granite
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44%? A_HmmTao

plush mirage
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Dammit kuki not dank enough

glad harness
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Fav produce waaay more energy so it's obviously equal to more utility. not to mention if you miss the sac reset then have to wait another 1.5 sec for another proc.

shrewd crescent
main bay
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The thing is in combat some of those procs wont connect as u go from wave to wave either

tawdry bone
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Just above 40%? Sounds like 95% to me, am I right? A_HuCry

subtle finch
wraith harbor
subtle finch
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sac allows her to have 100% E uptime even if your rotation istn 15/30s

subtle finch
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which is extremely important for many things, such as electro application and totm/clam uptime

shrewd crescent
glad harness
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there isn't even a need for 100% uptime. Don't need to heal 100% of the time to be viable. For electro application there is decay time for electro aura and probably run her with another electro too.

subtle finch
plush mirage
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On the other hand it means you need to swap to kuki 5s after you cast your first e for a 20s rot

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Whether it's worth that extra fieldtime or not might be the question

main bay
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Time is a big factor in maximizing dps

subtle finch
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example: in the popular team idea of ayato yelan kazuha kuki, you absolutely need the E uptime

glad harness
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totm have 3 second duration, so the buff actually lingers for more 3 seconds after the skill ends

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you have plenty of time

subtle finch
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which you arent going to be able to do if you are on someone that you need to stay on for their dps window

plush mirage
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It's probably worth if you are on a 25s rot

spring arrow
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what im getting from this is that whether sac is good depends on the team comp, that correct?

plush mirage
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Swap back to kuki after 10s

median sapphire
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So does kuki’s burst work like amber’s but with icd?

subtle finch
plush mirage
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For 18-21s rot it will be more questionable

subtle finch
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sac should be good in any team that isnt operating in increments of 15s

spring arrow
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so then that makes sac just her better weapon overall

main bay
cold pumice
median sapphire
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oh

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then can I use them both together and do lots of overload?

cold pumice
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Maybe

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Would be cool

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But overload has its own ICD

main bay
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Overload has its own icd

median sapphire
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Altho it’d be better if Kuki was the one triggering it

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Since she benefits from em

main bay
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.5 second icd on overload

median sapphire
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Does the overload icd reset with hits as well if you get more within the 0.5 sec?

plush mirage
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Kuki ult to amber ult maybe

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max is 5-6 overload from kuki q

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Which is not bad

main bay
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U can get splash damage though if its a few of them

median sapphire
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if we use an anemo grouper so the enemies are all together and then kuki + amber burst it would make sure enemies don’t walk out of the bursts b4 they end E_think

median sapphire
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Altho what if we add Yelan

subtle finch
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man im forgetting kukiu name

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from disappointment

main bay
median sapphire
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What if overvape amber C_KEKTao

plush mirage
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I feel you don't need amber. You can do the same with kuki q to bennett qe

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But amber for the memes look fun

median sapphire
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Something to pull out when ppl go “amber bad” E_KEKpat

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Anyway I think I’ll try to get kuki

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She’s interesting

simple cypress
rigid thorn
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does kuki look like a healer than you can use by herself as the only healer in a team? for general purposes

main bay
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Yea

subtle finch
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she should do perfectly fine as solo healer

rigid thorn
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okok thats good

main bay
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Id use her in hyukin with xiao or something probably lol

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Then again, shes not out contributing zhongli for sure

median sapphire
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So kuki e is sorta like electro Barbara but does dmg?

main bay
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Like qiqi

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Or like xinyan but heals

plush mirage
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Kuki e benn eq kazuha eq kuki eq xl qe for a rotation starter doesnt sound bad

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With sac sword kuki

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But don't think it's worth it to run sac for one extra overload in that team

subtle finch
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wrong quote

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sorry

subtle finch
plush mirage
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Oh

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Funnel to xl and one more kazuha e

glad harness
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giv Kazuha the sac and have him fill rotation

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and counter overload knockback too

subtle finch
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you've got 12 seconds of xiangling Q to fill tho

plush mirage
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Yea you can funnel twice and kaz e once for ex

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Or as blue mention sac sword kaz

glad harness
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also there's no need to double swirl on that team.

plush mirage
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Yeah just pyro is enough

glad harness
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sac Kazuha takes a lot of field time, especially if you have c1.

subtle finch
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even with sac I can't seem to make this work A_ThinkTao

crimson oasis
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What's your favourite way to build Kuki right now?

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I'm inclined to go 4p totm with 3x EM, but I'm worried about EC consistensy if paired with Yae-xq-suc. HP-elec-crit seems okayge

plush mirage
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I kinda want to try kazuha xq kuki fish

subtle finch
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Kuki E 1
Bennet QE 1.5
Kazuha holdE 2.2
Xiangling QE 2
Bennet E 1
Xiangling 1
Kazuha QE 3.2
Bennet E 1
Xinagling funnel 1
Kuki Q 1
Bennet E 1
Xiangling funnel 1
Kazuha E 1.7

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this might work for that team

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best i could come up with

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wait no it doesnt

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kazuha gonna be on cooldown for the 2nd one

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would have to come up with a different rotation for rotation 2

plush mirage
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Yoy don't need to fully fill the rot and make some buffer to just auto with xl or benn

glad harness
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No really need for a strict rotation order really. the only thing that need to be keep in mind is to snap shot xiangling Q. Other than that just go switch around and spam things on CD

plush mirage
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But unless it's sac three kaz e in a rot is an issue

glad harness
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but it's true that rotation feels a bit empty without a sac kazuha

subtle finch
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that is sac kazuha

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@grizzled elk pepega idea: TF Diluc Yelan Beidou Kuki

grizzled elk
subtle finch
glad harness
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hmmm im thinking of replacing benny for klee there against heavy targets. now I can see why sac kuki is good

subtle finch
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hows it sound

grizzled elk
subtle finch
final fjord
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Kuki's Healing is based on HP? 🤔

grizzled elk
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So for that to be most efficient we need kuki icd gone Copium

subtle finch
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ok replace beidou with fischl

grizzled elk
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Yeo

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Definetely works

subtle finch
glad harness
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replacing beidou with xingqiu for no way diluc can overwrite pyro aura

grizzled elk
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It's rainslasher here and we have to make sure diluc is always the trigger

plush mirage
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Sac kuki also makes it easier for the 3.5s q to happen in first rot

grizzled elk
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So during 2e q is only done at the end of it

subtle finch
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wait actually fischl over beidou there would also let it be a 18s rotation

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wouldnt it

grizzled elk
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Diluc too much pyro

subtle finch
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assuming we use 1 fischl E not E and Q both

grizzled elk
grizzled elk
subtle finch
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well you can do both E and Q if you do sac bow fischl

glad harness
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if too much pyro, use both yeeland and xingqiu. solve their energy thing issue too probably

grizzled elk
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Kek

subtle finch
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yelan+xinqiu would work, just wouldnt be able to do an 18s rotation

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but might be worth

grizzled elk
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Their subdps is insanw

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Alot of hydro app tho A_HmmTao

subtle finch
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wait

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kuki solo electro might not be enough for TF diluc

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to get good cd reduction

grizzled elk
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Yea it's 1/3 rn

subtle finch
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prob gotta go fischl kuki

grizzled elk
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And her q is kek

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Yep

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If there's an icd buff it's definetely possible

blazing canopy
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Shinobu over Beidou is an overall loss in damage output but is it worth the heals?

subtle finch
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i dont do healerless comps

glad harness
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oh, TF Diluc?

subtle finch
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yeah

grizzled elk
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Yes tf diluc

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Overvape

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It's a fun team

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R5 rainslasher

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Not sure if em sands will diminish too much from atk sands

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Rainslasher already has em sub

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Elegy yelan may work well here A_HmmTao

subtle finch
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Kuki E
Xinqiu EQ
Yelan EQ
Kuki E
Fischl E
Diluc stuff

grizzled elk
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You'd be doing 2(e n2 e n2 e) for the procs

plush mirage
grizzled elk
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Prolly takes like 14 whole seconds tho actually

subtle finch
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oh oops derp

grizzled elk
subtle finch
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im at work multi tasking

grizzled elk
subtle finch
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Yelan EQ
Kuki E
Fischl E
Diluc stuff

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maybe?

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idk

grizzled elk
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Yea that is basically the rotation

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You literally just do everything

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E n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2

glad harness
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Fischl needs to keep auto attackin

grizzled elk
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Braindead team lmao

glad harness
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raiden maybe

subtle finch
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huh?

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where radien come from?

grizzled elk
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Raiden extends rot for a team that has no er issues and doesn't benefit her

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So ehh

subtle finch
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and the intent is to be able to do this stuff as close to 18s rot as possible

subtle finch
glad harness
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oh I mean to make fischl electro application good you need to auto attack to proc c6

subtle finch
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her a4 has no icd

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it applies electro every time

glad harness
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oh forgot about that

grizzled elk
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Give me a second Noir

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Lemme try to simulate it

glad harness
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wait a4 has no ICD?

subtle finch
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Yelan EQ 3
Kuki E 1
Fischl E 1
Diluc E n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 ?

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Just treat it as 14s lmfao

subtle finch
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i asked in kqm the other day

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they said it doesnt

grizzled elk
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It's hella long

subtle finch
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praws if you can map out the amount of reactions and which exact hits should get them

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i can calc this

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tomorrow

grizzled elk
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Hm

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Alr

grizzled elk
subtle finch
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calcing yelan buff tho Copium

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Yea alr

subtle finch
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faster electro app

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but should be reasonable enough for a simulation

grizzled elk
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Well slightly atleast

subtle finch
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instead of giving kuki em scaling they shoulda gave her an em buff

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to make this team funnier

glad harness
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4 Inst Kuki?

subtle finch
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uptime on it wont be good i dont think

grizzled elk
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Lemme see

grizzled elk
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But 4ins may work

subtle finch
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i think instructor bad cuz uptime

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while totm have uptime and buff fischl too

grizzled elk
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True considering there's not much leeway to refresh anything

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Lol

subtle finch
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this is full unga bunga

grizzled elk
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Which is what makes tf ol diluc so fun

subtle finch
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i rlly wish i had diluc

grizzled elk
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I wish I had jean

plush mirage
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Seems tight enough that extending rot with 4tf is not worth it

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But i will look forward to it

tranquil lion
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is sub dps kuki viable or should i just give her 4totm with hp/hp/healing

vocal tulip
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second option can still do decent burst damage since her burst is hp scaling

grizzled elk
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@subtle finch forgot to mention

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This team has 0 er issues

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Absolute 0

subtle finch
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tf diluc makes a lot of energy right

grizzled elk
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Not just that but 40 cost

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Fischl makes so much energy too

subtle finch
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what about yelan

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hows her energy looking

grizzled elk
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Noir if xingqiu 1e isn't struggling

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Neither should yelan tbh

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Assuming 1e fav

spring arrow
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when shinobu tc becomes yelan tc

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XD

subtle finch
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made possible

grizzled elk
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We are trying to simulate tf diluc

subtle finch
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by kuki

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being an electro healer

grizzled elk
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You are correct actually

spring arrow
grizzled elk
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Normally you'd slot in beidou so you'd have enough electro

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Or Bennett who applies 2u pyro

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But kuki makes this possible and realistic

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Lmao

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Masanori keeps dashing and making me miss 1 proc

subtle finch
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test against a regisvine

grizzled elk
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Id try on a ruin guard but the damage too cracked

grizzled elk
subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Lemme try again

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@subtle finch ok yea it's around 14s for diluc

subtle finch
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so should be roughly a 19s rotation

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right?

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1s on kuki 1s on fischl 3s on yelan

grizzled elk
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Yea it's very short

subtle finch
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why yelan Q so long Copium

grizzled elk
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Because she has to pose

subtle finch
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imagine if genshin ever implements an option to disable 5 star burst animations

median sapphire
grizzled elk
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Wait I just remembered

median sapphire
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Altho I like burst animations

subtle finch
median sapphire
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Koko’s and ganyu’s

grizzled elk
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The ruin brazier at araumi

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Dragonspine ruin guard

subtle finch
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ruin grader?

grizzled elk
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Idk name

subtle finch
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do they have more hp than guards?

grizzled elk
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Yes

subtle finch
grizzled elk
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Also it's in inazuma

subtle finch
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wait but theres grass wont burning mess it up

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wait o

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burning only affect you

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not enemy

grizzled elk
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Pog

unkempt ginkgo
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really?

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first I'm hearing of it

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I've definitely waited for hilichurls to die of burning

placid pine
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Maybe from campfire

median sapphire
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Shinobu should be good in eula teams right? As electro app/healer

grizzled elk
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Ec ownership:
3 raiden
8 fischl
5 xingqiu

Overload triggers:
1 fischl
7 diluc

Vaporize occurs on all Es, none on nas @subtle finch

Edit : mb diluc should have 7, he can't get full 8 due to fischl expiry tho

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For reference at the start diluc q overwhelms electro briefly before fischl regains aura with ec

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Ec ownership sounds about right on what I expected actually

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Raiden is 2.7s app not 3 but it should be close enough to kuki

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2 tf procs each time

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N2 covers it perfectly

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It's just e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e n2 e

last flare
grizzled elk
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So yea the rotation with xq is also about 20s

last flare
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ToM Shinobu + Noblesse Rosalia for max buffing powa

grizzled elk
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Diluc himself takes 14-15

plush mirage
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Have anyone calced kuki e and q frames?

small turtle
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Both seems to be 1 secondish

crimson oasis
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Anyone considered Yae-Kuki-Xq-Sucrose? Is it worth going EM on kuki or nah

frank lintel
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kuki particle gen?

tardy cosmos
frank lintel
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40% as in?

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how many particles per e on avg?,

grizzled elk
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Also the ruin guard died 🗿

tardy cosmos
chilly jasper
tardy cosmos
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40 hits over 1 minute x 40% = 16 per minute
kinda mid

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premier batteries do like 24 per minutes

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but it's more convenient since she generates off field

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like fischl

chilly jasper
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Hmm ok ty

tardy cosmos
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kuki is fischl who trades damage and range for healing and uptime

crimson oasis
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Still shilling triple EM now that we know she's got standard icd?

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hp-elec-crit clam?? A_ThinkTao

tardy cosmos
crimson oasis
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I wanna pair her with my yae but I don't see her getting any ECs off

north sable
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4husk is not better?

crimson oasis
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Are you really intent on farming a good 4p husk set?

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The difference is super small because you aren't taking benefits from the geo bonus dmg

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It's really not worth the effort

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It adds just 1.2k dmg to E in total (C2) which is a 3% increase

tardy cosmos
crimson oasis
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Seems just like any other petra build for any other character really

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Petra doesn't really add anything that synergizes with the character, but just as bolide can always kinda work on someone if you want to focus on their damage

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I personally don't think it's a good idea to focus on Kuki's damage at all. Her modifiers aren't made with a DPS in mind so you're just trying to use an axe as a hammer

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The damage is nice to have, but number one priority should be her utilities.. E uptime, applying aura or popping reactions, heals, possible ToM/Nob buff

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I really only think it's worth exploring ToM, Nob or maybe Clam (if you can get 10k clams off) as 4p sets, 2p sets for people that don't want to invest too much can just be your typical tf/shim/glad/etc.

grizzled elk
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Issue with 3em is just low ec ownership due to icds and she won't be a great overload trigger

crimson oasis
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HB doesn't really seem necessary unless you want clam damage again, usually just HP sands or decent amount of HP subs is enough to get to a respectable amount of healing

crimson oasis
grizzled elk
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But her role as an electro applier while healing is valuable

tardy cosmos
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what about overload A_ThinkTao like with yf/klee

grizzled elk
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I did not know or understand why till now honestly

crimson oasis
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Also won't ever be meta

crimson oasis
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With my current perspective I would use her as hp/elec/crit with 4p nob in my taser team. ToM is just as viable, I just cannot be arsed farming for an elec and/or crit piece and/or hp sands in that set (currently only have good flower and feather for that particular build)

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However Noir did say that he manages to get 150k personal damage out of her and strong Clam hits, so it's not like there isn't a way things are possible that way around.. Probably requires ayato + xq together though and I don't have the former

grizzled elk
crimson oasis
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Aye I just cannot be arsed going for Ayato myself. His kit doesn't seem interesting to me and I'm still recovering from going for C2 Yae

tiny sedge
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Hello, so Kuki ICD it is standard, so maybe is EM build not strong as much now ? From other idea of Overload in team with Klee as example

grizzled elk
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Em build is not favourable

crimson oasis
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Even less interested in Yelan, whom I don't see as much more than just a XQ with possibly better damage at the cost of more ER issues

grizzled elk
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She will not have good ec ownership and in the teams she's going to be used in

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Also won't be the ol trigger

tiny sedge
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Okay thank you, also is there information on A4 scaling now ? If it is only flat increase and low heal increase also ? Wonder if to use Iron Sting or ER weapon

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I think maybe to just use a ER weapon? and Tenacity set normal Electro/Crit, but if to focus on HP or Attack for the Skill or Burst is better because scaling is split

crimson oasis
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Sac sword is most likely the best choice because it guarantees E uptime

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Fav sword a close second because it adds nrg to the rest of the team

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EM scaling is not amazing on her A4

tiny sedge
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Okay, my sac sword it is only R1 but Xingqiu have my Fav sword. It is 30 second cooldown to Sac effect which is not good if cooldown rotation it is 24 second

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Hope to get more of refinement

crimson oasis
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The way I see it, you either go for PJC (More personal gains in dmg and heals), Freedom Sworn (team buff and tiny bit extra personal increase) or Sac/Fav

tiny sedge
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Sac is only sword I have then 🙃 no 5*

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Thank you in advice I want to build her as good support, but try to make damage as okay too

blazing canopy
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I have almost every sword for her

crimson oasis
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If she isn't doing reactions, just forget about her dmg really

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She's still good as an aura applier and healer, but in that case just focus on her support

tiny sedge
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I think HP% is good ? To have burst damage more and increase heal. If it is tenacity set she is also get Attack buff?

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Oh

crimson oasis
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Sure if you feel like farming a 4p tenacity set

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it's good, comparable to noblesse

tiny sedge
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So maybe to just ignore electro/crit, only build HP ? Same artifact as a Zhongli

crimson oasis
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hp/elec/crit is more than enough heals imo

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I don't really know when someone actually NEEDS a 3.5k heal every 1.5 seconds

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IMO getting a 2.2k heal every 1.5 seconds is plenty to not die

tiny sedge
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Okay, just was worried on heal because of only heal 1 character

crimson oasis
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You don't have to sweat for elec cup though, but definitely try to get a crit circlet if you use fav

tiny sedge
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Okay, maybe just not need to invest high into her

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She is easy build like a Bennett

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Does not seem that spend lots of resin in her is so valuable

crimson oasis
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I compared a bunch of artifacts in a spreadsheet

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I can't guarantee the maths is perfect but it can serve as an outliner

tardy cosmos
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outliner

tiny sedge
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Okay thank you I will look it

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Seem like it is not so much difference, but the Defense build it is so much high damage compare to others

hollow monolith
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What’s the tl;dr on that doc

tardy cosmos
hollow monolith
tired berry
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Suddenly all the DEF artefacts with great stats I’ve been saving make sense

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🥲

keen raptor
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How is def coming into picture, isnt she HP scaling, with little EM scaling

vocal tulip
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copium spindle mfs

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april fools is over smh

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hyv finally releases an electro healer
people kit her out to be a dps

spare torrent
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If they'd just made Shinobu DEF scaling, she'd be so amazing.

lunar zealot
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tbh, even if I played her cinnabar, i would not be willing to sacrifice her already low healing further to the point of giving her a Def sands instead of a HP one

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If I play her Cinnabar, I'd personally still go HP I guess

spare torrent
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I mean, it's really early still. They might update her MVs.

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Or give her E dmg HP scaling.

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Ideally, both.

vocal tulip
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way too drastic of a change imo

lunar zealot
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I absolutelly dont believe nor hope for HP dmg scaling on E

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the skill is already packing most of Kuki's power budget as is

spice sundial
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how does her passive EM to damage work ? is it damage% or flat damage ?

cold pumice
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Appears to be flat

lunar zealot
cold pumice
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Wording

stuck breach
#

Kazu's c6 is flat too?

lunar zealot
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well, then u dont know

cold pumice
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I hope I'm wrong but its probably flat

lunar zealot
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by the logic of having a different wording meaning it works differently, then the EM scaling on heal is not flat since it isnt the same wording as Sayu's C6

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so, well, we dont know

subtle finch
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How we doin

spice sundial
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it would be almost useless if it was flat, it's like getting ~200 attack

stuck breach
#

Not the first useless passive they make

shrewd crescent
subtle finch
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being able to build her E and Q damage at same time would be a noticable improvement

shrewd crescent
spare torrent
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Well, they won't do that because Heizou's gonna come out as an HP buffer.

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(I know that's baseless, but I'll look so big brain if he does)

shrewd crescent
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For Xiao

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Heizou's just gonna be an Anemo shielder that absorbs elements into shields and gives shield strength based on em C_HuPepeSmile

spare torrent
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Nah, Anemo shielder that buffs the HP of other characters. No EM transfer, but he'll have a low Q CD and enable Ambtao with Yelan.

alpine dock
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Anemo xq

shrewd crescent
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Anemo shielder that shreds anemo res based on em at c6

spare torrent
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UM that'd be way too OP.

shrewd crescent
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But shreds it by 0.0004% C_HuPepeSmile

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Anything that adds up to 10-15% anemo shred

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Shreds anemo res based on 0.01% of em

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There. Balanced C_HuPepeSmile

frosty jewel
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how many times does kuki's burst hit

shrewd crescent
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7 at above 50% hp
13 below 50% hp
I still feel like that's a scam

lunar zealot
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not enough :')

frosty jewel
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i wonder how many overloads would trigger with empowered kuki ult + amber ult

uncut zephyr
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Guys

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Amber plus kuki q

frosty jewel
vocal tulip
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half their bursts would be gone by the time you ult for the other

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& icd

frosty jewel
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if u use empowered one, we can assume they will be able to at least have the duration overlap

shrewd crescent
uncut zephyr
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💀

frosty jewel
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anyway, whats the main niche kuki seems to have so far? prettiest normal attacks?

vocal tulip
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mask

cold pumice
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League of Legends lookalikes

frosty jewel
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not here either ;-;

cold pumice
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At least you don't have to face her, just use her

frosty jewel
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oh, i dont face her in league either

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my best friend is trying to learn akali

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for the past week

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she then blames me (the support) for losing as akali top 💀

tardy cosmos
shrewd crescent
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Kuki mains better complain about kuki so she gets changes too C_HuCryge

tiny sedge
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Is it maybe she is just not designed for high damage at all ? Though constellations is strange and burst it is no utility, only damage . The main buff she need is just scaling change only ?

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I don't know what buff she need to be better, except damage increasing . Maybe also utility in burst and change A4 to other useful buff

alpine dock
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Damage is whatever, she needs utility buff.

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Her burst right now doesn't make sense to me

tardy cosmos
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her burst seems like a shield breaker

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that's it

tiny sedge
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Yes I think burst need a utility somehow it is only damage for support character

frosty jewel
shrewd crescent
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It's the jack of all trades

tiny sedge
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Is it only shield break ? I thought it is standard ICD so maybe not as much application

shrewd crescent
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At least, before electro mages came into the picture

shrewd crescent
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So 4 reaction procs below 50%?

tiny sedge
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Okay , also with the long duration in low health it is more hits

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What other utility should burst have

cold pumice
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a shield

tiny sedge
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Maybe similar character to Diona then, but more of heal than shielding . To add shield it is create new model and animation , maybe not likely A_cryingsadtao

main bay
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a shield, a debuff, a buff, something

mental topaz
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What does Kuki’s E dmg scale off of?

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I saw her kit it just said dmg

tiny sedge
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It is attack only

mental topaz
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Some split scaling I see

tiny sedge
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Slight boost of from EM in A4

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But it is bad

mental topaz
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I thought she would be all HP scaling

tiny sedge
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A_cryingsadtao It would be smart if she is

lunar zealot
shrewd crescent
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But it would make her so much easier to build so I'd take it

tiny sedge
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Split scaling release is so sad, make like Yelan of only HP she can be strong. Take some Yelan utility 🙃

frosty jewel
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a shred would do wonders for her ult imo

woven locust
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def shred 10%ish for c6 would be nice than this hutao cons

subtle finch
woven locust
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hmmm seem locked 15% for 4star

small turtle
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Just get the A4 change C_KEKTao

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Mihoyo pleath A_HuCry

tardy cosmos
subtle oracle
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hii what are good weapons for kuki? i saw that jade cutter is her BiS iirc?

small turtle
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just change EM turninf to dmg passives

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Idc if it makes EM not a dead stat, its useless

woven locust
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C_HuPepega just cope with dendro em buff

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i thought they learnt that em is meh for electro from lisa the 1st experiment

small turtle
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They didnt learn anything

amber plover
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Collerating the Yae EM passive with potential Dendro synergy might have been cope but it being the case with Kuki too is totally a sign
Both of the passives are about their DoT skill too

tardy cosmos
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what kind of ping is this

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wait wrong discord

small turtle
shrewd crescent
mental topaz
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How long does Kuki burst last?

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It says 2.5/3.5

woven locust
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2

tardy cosmos
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2 s / 3.5 s

woven locust
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might hit 3.5 on longer fight but Copium

last flare
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3.5 if under 50% HP, which honestly should always be the case

small turtle
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Unless you run sac sword

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But i still dont know if it can

tired berry
amber plover
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Damage over time
Aka Yae's totems and Kuki's E

tired berry
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Ah I see, thanks!

frosty jewel
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i wonder if the EM gain from the supposed dendro reaction would stack

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and thats why they put it on DoTs

tardy cosmos
shrewd crescent
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Sounds like electro burn

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Or maybe it's like the Volitile status effect in destiny 2

frosty jewel
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pls tell me it shreds

shrewd crescent
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Basically you get marked with the element and when you take damage of the same element (Void in this case) it stacks until it finally blows up

frosty jewel
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thats interesting

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would be nice

shrewd crescent
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Better than "burning but purple"

amber plover
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Sounds very interesting

frosty jewel
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so it intensifies until it explodes

shrewd crescent
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There's more. Such as "Suppressed" which just debuffs the enemy or yourself by slowing movement, weakening damage and preventing you from using your abilities. Don't know how that would work if they ever wanted to try something like that all in one in Genshin

fast rapids
shrewd crescent
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No it's a status effect in Destiny 2

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I was just thinking about how they'd put it in Genshin if Hoyo wanted to go down that path

frosty jewel
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with similar effects

shrewd crescent
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Wonder what interesting reaction you could make with cryo + dendro. Maybe a lingering reaction but I don't know where to go from there

fast rapids
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oh wow the particle rng is changed from 66 as we thought to actually 40?

fast rapids
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some dot true dmg

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DoT shred

shrewd crescent
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Shreds cryo res by 3% per second. Reaction lasts for 5 seconds C_HuPepeSmile

fast rapids
chilly flare
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electro dendro also sounds interesting

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electro buff with dendro A_HuPray

green wave
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Does kuki’s skill apply electro

tardy cosmos
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yes it does, standard icd

green wave
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Could she be used in super conduct? A_HuLurk

tardy cosmos
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she could yes

toxic arrow
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is the particle generation thing good or bad?

spare torrent
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Bad.

green wave
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oh is she not a good battery now?

tardy cosmos
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so-so

hollow river
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@ 60+ ascension from the calcs i did her A4 isnt really that bad it would seem

tardy cosmos
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16 particles per minutes

hollow river
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Assuming EM is a flat bonus. It scales only like 50healing worse

green wave
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What if you slapped sac on her to make her a better battery, like diona

hollow river
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Her parti gen is overtime

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It’s 40% chance per E hit

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So resetting her E cast wouldnt improve her parti gen but her parti gen isnt that bad

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I believe it’s 10 hits per E since it’s 1.2s ticks over 12 sec so an average of 4 partis OT. Better than nothing lol

green wave
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Kuki doesn’t seem…. Whats the word…. good

hollow river
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Fav could work on her and make her ult more valuable since it gives u reason to build crit + it seems to hit quickly

shrewd crescent
hollow river
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Do we know the tickrate of her ulr?

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She seems OK. She fills a fairly uncontested niche and role consolidates

green wave
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What role?

hollow river
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She heals, applies electro, and uses ToM

green wave
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Doesn’t seem too niche

hollow river
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Im saying that her niche as an electro healer

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The only other contendor is amber lisa which is ok but no one uses it lol

green wave
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She could work in electro reaction teams, mono electro, or just as a random healer

supple snow
#

How is kuki looking guys?

green wave
supple snow
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🙂

mystic merlin
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Good

subtle finch
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wait did anything change with kuki C_HuSusge whats that uba post

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why there a kuki v0 and v.1 link

placid pine
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Why are changes so early

knotty crag
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No Changes, it's just included for the sake of it

subtle finch
hollow river
subtle finch
spare torrent
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That's once every 5s.

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Not really the same.

ivory chasm
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I wouldn't count that as the same thing

subtle finch
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why is her c5 only every 5s when fischl c6 has no cooldown and a4 ever 0.5s C_KEKTaoWait

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c4*

ivory chasm
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If she has 30k hp it's 2.9k dmg A_HuTaoStareIntense

shrewd crescent
hollow river
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I mean it still does is my point. It sucks but at least theres some value lol

hollow river
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Hopefully they buff her C4. Asking her ele skill to be HP might be too much since they didnt even do that for the critless witxh

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But making her C4 be like an albedo hit would feel really nice at least

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Even if it hit for like 15k tho it wouldnt be that good but it would look good lol

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Ig the true advantage of her C4 is just the presumably separate ICD electro app

ivory chasm
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Just don't split the scaling man

hollow river
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Also does anyone know the tickrate of her ult??

ivory chasm
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I clicked my lap timer manually I would say 1.5s but not reliable

subtle finch
tired berry
hollow river
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Yeah just found that video

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8/3= 2.7 per sec. I feel like it might be 9 and one of the numbers jusr wasnt obvious cuz of genshin dmg numbers being weird tho

tired berry
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I’ll just focus on healing and physical Kuki for now, at least until Dendro comes and turns this copium into meta A_BigBrainTao

hollow river
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Oh wait was that video above 50% HP?

tired berry
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Wait

hollow river
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Yeah it was so 4 ticks per sec that makes more sense

tired berry
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It’s just that the scaling is so low

hollow river
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Or 14 ticks with hold and 26 ticks with C2

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Honestly with C2 that isnt that bad damage with high crit

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Assuming everything crits that’s 68k dmg with base cdmg

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Do we know the icd of her ult?

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Her ult with C2 might make her EM scaling more worth since it could proc a lot of reactions ? Or actually it prob applies so much that the opposite is true nvm

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Tbh with high investment she might be comparable in dmg to sara (in some scenarios, obv sara should be better v big enemies) but with healing and ToM instead of buffing

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*with C2+ ****

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With T8, her A4 with an EM sub gives +1.2 more healing than a flat hp sub

robust timber
fast rapids
#

yeah

crimson oasis
low lodge
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Why sac sword instead of fav sword

crimson oasis
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E uptime

north sable
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uptime already high. no?

low lodge
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Doesn't it have 100% uptime

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With c2

crimson oasis
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It does if your rotation is 15 sec or in increments of 15

north sable
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c2 even 100% uptime

crimson oasis
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Or you got some wacky rotation

north sable
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oh rotation

lost dock
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So basically her dmg, weapon, and artifact options aren’t bad it’s just that her role isn’t needed as much since u don’t really need a healer over a buffer (sara)

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but what if she works in teams that aren’t only electro like for example hutao overvape

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Actually that depends on her icd

proud acorn
#

You dont really want a healer that continuously heal HuTao

lost dock
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I’m always forgetting something

proud acorn
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Can put her on Eula and equip her with totm4

lost dock
amber plover
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I do think her role opens up a lot of comps
You can play without a healer but it can feel really clunky depending on the comp
You can run Eula-Shinobu-Rosaria leaving you with one flex slot, she's a good 4th option for Itto, decent option for Xiao

amber plover
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You can also finally play taser Childe/Ayato with both a VV user and 2 Electro Units

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(I mean Sayu exists but noone uses her)

proud acorn
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Shes the only character rn that can run totm4pc without downside

lost dock
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and why doesn’t it apply to kuki

proud acorn
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In Zhongli case you have stay close to totem

amber plover
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Yeah Zhongli is very inconsistent

proud acorn
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Fischl loses dps
Same with Raiden

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Xinyan scales on Def

amber plover
#

Same with Albedo
Qiqi is Qiqi

lost dock
#

Ummm does kuki lose dmg

proud acorn
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Nope

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She scales on max hp

lost dock
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Oh

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Ok

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That’s pretty nice

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Do you have any overvape comps

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I also like how she doesn’t take a lot of field time

proud acorn
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Yeah since her skill pulse is every 1.5sec and totm4pc can be trigger 0.5 and lasts 3seconds and its on character

lost dock
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Kinda like Sara but Sara is kinda annoying with the charge shot

lost dock
proud acorn
lost dock
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That’s with raiden

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I mean a overvape comp with kuki

tardy cosmos
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klee xingqiu kuki zl

lost dock
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Probably not because her electro application isn’t enough right

proud acorn
tardy cosmos
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or change zl with fischl

lost dock
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Maybe yoimiya could work

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Youmiya kuki zhongli and xingqiu/yelan

amber plover
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I don't think kuki is enough to solo supply for overvape so something like yoimiya xq fischl/beidou kuki could work

lost dock
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Ec actually helps keep the hydro on enemies based on what I saw in overvape comps

proud acorn
#

Just replace Raiden with KukiC_KEKTao

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There done

lost dock
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If I want an on field pyro dps baal isn’t the best option

proud acorn
lost dock
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Fischl works but I just wanted to see if kuki would work

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because kuki is a healer 🙂

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I might be reaching it tbh

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This will most likely not work out that well because most overvape teams suck 🙂

crimson oasis
tough trout
#

Would Kuki work with Yae Miko most likely?

crimson oasis
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She will as long as you aren't aiming to get kuki to go EM

tough trout
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ok thank you

crimson oasis
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yae also might have slightly higher ER reqs with kuki bc she doesn't generate as much energy as fischl or raiden

tough trout
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well i have a c1 yae miko so wouldn't that fix that probably?

crimson oasis
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yea

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I'm probably gonna use her in a taser comp, just sucks that EC ownership probably is gonna be very contested

tough trout
#

yeah

lost dock
crimson oasis
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However EM is quite a good stat for kuki. I wouldn't go triple EM

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but maybe 1 EM piece and some subs is still good enough if she has some EC ownership

lost dock
crimson oasis
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Still not enough electro

lost dock
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Wdym yoimiya doesn’t apply vape that much

crimson oasis
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It'll probably be either a vape or an OL and not overvape

lost dock
crimson oasis
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When you vape an electrocharged unit

lost dock
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Yeah

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Yoimiya won’t override the hydro

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So why would it just be overload?

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I don’t think her electro application is enough but there will be some overvape tho

crimson oasis
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Oh she doesn't?

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I thought yoi applies a boatload of pyro

lost dock
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She only vapes like 3 times I think

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Within her E

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3 or 4 I forgot

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Ok I wish kuki had better icd 🙂

crimson oasis
#

You're gonna be running after your overloaded targets though xD

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Since yoimiya doesn't move forward on her attacks

lost dock
#

That can be said for every overvape teams

crimson oasis
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Except most are melee teams

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and they naturally chase

young mesa
#

thoughts on Kuki's energy generation?

crimson oasis
#

And yoimiya wants her full string to do meaningful damage

lost dock
crimson oasis
#

People not getting the 2nd load of electro

lost dock
#

I already said the team is gonna be meh

crimson oasis
#

Yeah it'll be good while sucrose has her Q up

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but it's on cooldown longer than it's up

lost dock
#

Then use it in the Q?

crimson oasis
#

So yeah it feels a bit anti-synergistic

lost dock
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Remember kuki has no cooldown

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So she isn’t restricting the team

crimson oasis
#

No but getting the electro going is tough

lost dock
#

?

crimson oasis
#

Unless you got sucrose's Q up

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but again

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that's up for like 4 secs

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and then it's down for 16

lost dock
#

It’s like 8 seconds

crimson oasis
#

Let's meet halfway

lost dock
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Her c2

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Increases that

crimson oasis
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So yeah 6 out of your 20/22 seconds you're gonna be overvaping

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and the rest?

lost dock
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It’s 8 depending on your cons

lost dock
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Most dps characters take about 8-12 seconds

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and the only reason why it goes more than 10 is most likely because of using ult in the end or something so you might not even need to have it after the 8 seconds

crimson oasis
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You're free to try to calc the rotation, but it feels cope

young mesa
lost dock
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I already told you the team is meh lol

crimson oasis
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Then why are we still going on about this team

young mesa
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How is this compared to Fischl? A_HuPopcorn

lost dock
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but meh doesn’t mean don’t work

crimson oasis
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I didn't say it doesn't work

lost dock
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You’re saying stuff that I don’t agree with

crimson oasis
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I just think it's not synergistic

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young mesa
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I see... That's kinda expected

lost dock
# crimson oasis I just think it's not synergistic

That’s besides the point. You’re saying stuff like cool downs and such won’t work. I said from the start that this team will be meh for several different reasons, but that doesn’t really make your statements right

young mesa
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So maybe a Beidou replacement in Taser and keep Fischl there

lost dock
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The only anti synergy is probably that kuki has bad application A_HuCry

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but I already acknowledged that

crimson oasis
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I was considering a yae-kuki taser, it'll be down on damage but that's what you get for slotting in a healer that isn't bennett

shrewd crescent
crimson oasis
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Yae-kuki might struggle with energy at C0 but swiping C1 fixes that

lost dock
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Give kuki good application plz she deserves it imo

crimson oasis
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Application wouldn't even make her damage go up in that taser

young mesa
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She deserves better support capabilities

crimson oasis
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it's just that yae-kuki will do less damage than yae-fischl

lost dock
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She scales with em and if she’s proccing more ec than that’s only more dmg

crimson oasis
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Oh yeah for sure if you could get a triple EM kuki off that would have been great

crimson oasis
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but yeah we're not getting that 😭

lost dock
crimson oasis
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Her healing does

lost dock
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Did you do calcs (not to put you in the spot. I just wanna know because I’m too lazy to do math :))

tardy cosmos
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you can do sucrose xq kuki fischl maybe

tawdry bone
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is 4pc clam set good for kuki

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lost dock
lost dock
young mesa
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Sucrose Yelan Kuki Fischl assuming the energy issue ain't too big

lost dock
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Sucrose and fischl are good batteries

young mesa
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Yeah

lost dock
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Sucrose not as good as fischl but she does help a lot

crimson oasis
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ayato xq/yelan kuki sucrose ngl

young mesa
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Ik Kuki not as good as Fischl, but is her batterying at least decent too?

young mesa
lost dock
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40% chance per tick

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I think she does about ten tick

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Depending on cons

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Am I right?

crimson oasis
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Do we have people good at rotation calculations?

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bc this requires math

lost dock
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I will try for you but I can’t say I’m good at it

crimson oasis
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give kooks em-em-hb clam

lost dock
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Bet

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It’s gonna take me a while 🙂

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Since this is my first time

crimson oasis
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rip gl

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shit's tough

lost dock
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Then

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Why is there only one character

young mesa
lost dock
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Doesn’t there need to be more than one character

crimson oasis
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I don't rotation calc

young mesa
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Here's and ER calculator btw

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i think you can edit Kuki in

crimson oasis
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I just calced her solo performance in different artifact sets

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Mostly to show differences between em, atk/def and hp scaling

lost dock
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Rotations only can be calced if you tell me the team

crimson oasis
lost dock
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Ok

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Yelan because I think she will be easier

crimson oasis
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I think they're essentially the same unit

lost dock
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Basically yeah

crimson oasis
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Yelan just needs slightly more ER but comes out on top for damage

lost dock
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I mean skill

crimson oasis
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Well this is what I quickly read in a glance yesterday

lost dock
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Well I didn’t see much either lol

crimson oasis
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idrc about yelan