kuki-theorycrafting

[lunar zealot]

if you see a pattern, it might very well just have been luck

[unique sphinx]

None of her cons boost ER so I think it's not wrong to assume her particle generation is high enough for her to not have ER issues

[lunar zealot]

reminder that qiqi exists

[unique sphinx]

C1 boosts ER

[lunar zealot]

similar E, no particle gen. mihoyo doesnt make self sufficient kits without ER need usually

[lunar zealot]

which is far from enough

[unique sphinx]

Ya but they made an attempt to fix it

[lunar zealot]

tbh, she will not need ER bcz her ult suxx as of right now

[unique sphinx]

True

We gotta wait for like a week and hope that they fix her

[lunar zealot]

but if you want her ult, you ll need ER, she cant funnel her own particles on herself since they are released over time and shinobu doesnt stay on the field

or you need raiden

[timber viper]

I'm thinking of running Itto, Zhongli, Albedo, Kuki Shinobu. Based on what we know, can she act as the 'fischl' of this team + healing?

[regal epoch]

I feel like she won't need a ton of er though

Like definitely a good amount but not too much

Or you can just ignore her Q and not build er

If only we had an hp% sword

[timber viper]

Sumeru craftable

[lunar zealot]

yup, ToM holder, adds some healing to patch what goes through your shield, no need for her ult in the comp. tbh in this team id rather see gorou than zhongli but oh well

[lunar zealot]

if you want to see how much ER she needs compare with other character generating particles over time and not staying on field. xiangling and yae for instance. both want either big ER, funneling, Raiden, other batteries from same element and often a combination of those

[plush mirage]

There's also fischl barely needing er

60 cost is miles better than xl or yae in example

[lunar zealot]

fischl still uses stuff like battery from same element, she seems like a better battery that Kuki herself since she can proc once per sec tho we dont know the proc rate of Kuki. also fischl doesnt need her ult every 15 sec since she has her E. Fischl is a 60 cost unit, but not a 15sec one

[robust timber]

there was a vid of kuki's skill particle gen tho

[lunar zealot]

the only team where u want to have her ult every 18 or 20 sec, is Raiden comp, and in Raiden comp, well, there is raiden that regens ults

[robust timber]

it's in pins

[lunar zealot]

the video is far from enough of a sample to know the particle proc rate

[robust timber]

true

[plush mirage]

I'm not saying shinobu is a better battery, just that not all turrets need high er

[robust timber]

we dont even know if its rng or not

[plush mirage]

There are also a lot of comps with>20s rotations

[spare torrent]

I know what Shinobu needs. Her C6 should provide 20% Shred.

That'd make her perfect.

[nova sierra]

Yo mama?

Lol

i hate myself

[woven locust]

so what kuki brings on table is heal + doing dmg + aoe electro appli + anything else???

[tardy cosmos]

battery

[tawdry bone]

I thought she's not a great dmg dealer

[modern junco]

No one said good damage

Does do damage though lol

[tardy cosmos]

better than qiqi

[regal epoch]

Heal, aoe electro application and battery.

[vapid nest]

so kuki can be used to replace raiden in my hyper miko teamm

[supple snow]

🤔 maybe

But raiden more dmg eyes closed

[amber plover]

Raiden can extend the rotation depending on the comp which may be a dps loss

[true mesa]

Hows kuki will be another xinyan or gorou?

[polar spruce]

Should i go for hp or em mainstat for kuki?

[red roost]

hp for sure

[vapid nest]

yes ofc but she can go off and do her rational team and it would be okay

[sudden crag]

how many procs does kuki elemental skill have

[shrewd crescent]

8

[sudden crag]

thanks

[shrewd crescent]

To 10 at c2

[hallow lark]

How many particles does she generate per E again ?

[supple snow]

Can each skill hit do a reaction? Or icd fks up?

[subtle finch]

we dont know icd yet

[subtle finch]

should be about 6 over 15s if we got her particle gen right

[hallow lark]

That's great honestly

[hallow lark]

I'd assume it procs reactions ever 2nd strike

[stone jacinth]

How's 4tom hp/dmg/cr as an artifact goal, is there another potentially good option?

[lunar zealot]

good, but that's clearly her highest investment build

for kinda similar result as pure healing clam build

and EM build in Overload comp

[stone jacinth]

Which one has better potential at lower constellation

[lunar zealot]

id say they are kinda the same. clam get better fast at c2, and DMG crit gets better at c4 c5

and dmg crit build should have the higher ceiling

but the difference, when you look at the constell cost, the "PJC cost", and the substat cost, is not that impressive

[stone jacinth]

Time to camp tom domain for another month it seems

Thanks roman

[lunar zealot]

and the fact dmg crit requires ER and requires to play at low health more than the other builds

[lunar zealot]

yw

[stone jacinth]

Since the damage difference is marginal I'll take tom since I'm running hyper Raiden with her

[lunar zealot]

with Raiden you shouldnt need any ER on Kuki. and being able to hold ToM is one of the biggest advantage of going DMG Crit build

[dapper flint]

is kuki dmg on skill from max hp either like her healing ?

[small turtle]

nope, all dmg from her skill scales off ATK

[shrewd crescent]

Waiting for that hp scaling change

But I wonder what would happen to c4 then in terms of value

[lunar zealot]

i don't think that will happen. what's unfair to me right now is that a build based on her skill is as relevant as the burst based build while being advantageous on many points. If anything, the build that requires ER, playing low health, high investment, and keeping an enemy in an area for 3.5 sec should have bigger reward. Imo, what needs a buff is the ult

[shrewd crescent]

In what area? Tick interval or MVs

[uncut lynx]

is she gonna be better phys superconduct or burst dps? i wanna build her for dmg

[unborn ridge]

So Shinobu is a good character?

[lunar zealot]

tick interval would be better, but as long as they buff the total MVs it's ok

[tardy cosmos]

weird but not bad

[unborn ridge]

Hmmm ok

And will it be useful in specific areas of the game?

[tardy cosmos]

she fills this niche

• 100% totm uptime at C2
• can use cinnabar spindle
• can heal and use clam
• em is not a wasted stat (can be BiS even)
• healer that can damage and proc electro for reaction
• can be used to tank emergency hit at c6

[lunar zealot]

she suffers a lot from the comparison with Bennett tbh

both are healers with 15 sec rotation

bennett will almost always (if not always) deal more through his buff to mates

and even in the Kiku overload build, it implies playing with pyro units. And if you play with Pyro units, Bennett is a no brainer

wanna play with raiden? bennett exists

[unborn ridge]

Hmm ok, I'm starting to understand how the character works, basically I loved his design, now I'm starting to appreciate his kit

[unborn ridge]

Overloading is not a good reaction I find

[lunar zealot]

well, yes and no. you are most likely to annihilate the small enemies that could be annoying with overload's knockback. The big enemies that actually ask you to deal big DPS are not yeeted by overload

overload is annoying, but on targets that die fast

[green wave]

She can use cinnabar spindle? I thought it only boost DEF

[green wave]

mono electro or teams where bennett is taken/not available?

[tardy cosmos]

her skill talent mod is so low that Cinnabar Spindle boosts it significantly

[small turtle]

• her base def is actually decent

[tardy cosmos]

you need a sword that gives her like 150-200% skill damage to make them stronger than cinnabar, skill wise

[shrewd crescent]

It's a good reaction to add some damage depending on the comp tbh

[green wave]

hm, wouldn’t iron sting still be better?

[tardy cosmos]

my target build is
cinnabar / iron sting
clam, em em em

[dapper walrus]

guys im gonna make a shinobu gear (artifacts & weapons) gdoc- can anyone give me some suggestions on the weapons and artifacts

[small turtle]

i still need more test sheeting with iron sting, but in the healingg department, if i can replicatie the same subs whilst adding reactions such as EC and overload, idk if it will be good. Im just waiting for ICD to perform reaction sheeting

[tardy cosmos]

at 1600 def, Cinnabar gives 1280 flat dmg
equals to 75% talent scaling at 1700 atk, 1.6x kuki's damage scaling
which also equals to 5120 em

[green wave]

If im gonna build someone w clam it has to be kokomi, I’ve been dodging it for too long

[green wave]

oh i see

[tardy cosmos]

This is my plan because with this build, my shinobu will use every possible substats

the first omniscaling build

[small turtle]

i think i had too much

talking about overload made me think CW will be viable

[tardy cosmos]

you can also always give kuki AP I guess

Zhongli, Kuki Shinobu, Yae/Beidou, another geo (Gorou?)

[small turtle]

in Archaic Sakura i cant

cause the buff aint reaching raiden if its not on yae

which is sad

[tardy cosmos]

physical kuki shinobu

or electro kuki shinobu with cinnabar

[shrewd crescent]

The build I'm going for

[small turtle]

i could fit a kuki downtime between raiden and yae but that will add more time

ill explore this

i could actually get 15 hits

[shrewd crescent]

For?

[tired berry]

This is the one

[tardy cosmos]

geo + kuki on field def build will make her immortal

[small turtle]

Yae EEE > Zhongli hEQ > Raiden E N1 > Kuki E > Yae QEEE > Kuki EQ > Raiden Q 3N3C N1C

sac sword

[night helm]

Simply PJC

@ me when we know exactly how EM affects her E

[tired berry]

What do you do when you don’t have a Zhongli?

[small turtle]

[tardy cosmos]

pjc + hp sands increase kuki's skill scaling by 342-ish
cinnabar + def sands increase kuki's skill scaling by 311-ish

iron sting + em sands increase kuki's skill scaling by 88

[small turtle]

just give us ICD

istg ICD will come out when i am going to sleep

[night helm]

@tardy cosmos what assumption are you making for how her EM passive modifies her damage

[tardy cosmos]

25% of em go to flat dmg
like zhongli/thoma/cinnabar/redhorn

[night helm]

I hope not

[small turtle]

thats too low

[tardy cosmos]

Thoma A4
DMG dealt by Crimson Ooyoroi's Fiery Collapse is increased by 2.2% of Thoma's Max HP.

Shinobu's A4
·DMG dealt is increased by 25% of Elemental Mastery.

[small turtle]

thats why i think the healing one is flat, the dmg one is additive

[night helm]

Yeah they're trolling otherwise

[small turtle]

imagine you have 20 em

how much flat dmg would that give u

[night helm]

100 EM!

[small turtle]

[night helm]

25 DMG

[tardy cosmos]

em build is good because you can get 20k overload every 3s with a proper comp

[small turtle]

but i can see it bypass with some reactions

[night helm]

It is totally inconsequential

[keen sinew]

So we all agree there is no real point in giving kuki a lot of em?

[night helm]

Might as well not exist

[night helm]

We don't know if this is indeed how it works

[small turtle]

not really agreeing

[night helm]

Have to wait and see

[small turtle]

still valuable

makes EM not a dead stat either way

[tardy cosmos]

sheet by @simple cypress

[night helm]

+1% DMG!

[tardy cosmos]

triple em actually have the highest cumulative dmg

[night helm]

remove the passive

And see how much the numbers change

[small turtle]

@tardy cosmos did they do overload with burst?

[tardy cosmos]

nah iirc this is only from skill

[glad harness]

and c4 not included

[tardy cosmos]

it's not about overload is strong
it's more like shinobu's scaling is that weak

[uncut lynx]

does kuki have good burst scaling?

[small turtle]

also 11 cr

[night helm]

HP is the way to go

CR/CD HP DMG

[keen sinew]

Like if we was gonna give her em then what are we gonna give her?

[tardy cosmos]

atk sands adds 187 with 674 base atk weapon

[tardy cosmos]

the hpdc / adc build has 65/129 crit

[small turtle]

the em one

[tardy cosmos]

@orchid folio calcs that based on personal damage, clam is the way to go

[keen sinew]

Like I see no reason to give her em since all her healing is from HP. Giving her em would really be only help her reaction dmg

[tardy cosmos]

em give healing too

at like around 50% of hp stats worth

[vestal jetty]

i'm a bit late to this, but this is about her damage, right? and not healing performance? i know it's super easy to build any healer to overheal if you completely ignore damage, but both my pjc and cinnabar are in use on characters i adore so i might have to give up on trying to make kuki hit harder than a wet noodle and go raw heals

[tardy cosmos]

yeah it's about dmg

[vestal jetty]

okie bet bet, if we want big oomfie heals i'd guess the ideal build is just hp/hp/healing bonus + clam ?

[keen sinew]

Yea but it would be easier just going for HP

[small turtle]

zoom, how about EM / DMG / EM

[tardy cosmos]

what weapon

[small turtle]

iron sting

f2p friendly more dmg

[tardy cosmos]

the dmg% will be hindered by the lack of crits, dont you think

need calcs either way

[small turtle]

put 10 dist rolls on crit

should be fine

[tardy cosmos]

the solution is having both hp and def sands + cinnabar

[keen sinew]

Plus her electro DMG will be low since the % is low for both skill and burst

[small turtle]

is this why you running cinnabar

to flex 32.1% def

[tardy cosmos]

nah @orchid folio actually calcs that cinnabar make sense

[small turtle]

ik it makes sense

[shrewd crescent]

[tardy cosmos]

[small turtle]

that piece is just

[shrewd crescent]

That is the most painful thing I've ever seen

[small turtle]

idk if i should or

[keen sinew]

Wait why give her def?

[tardy cosmos]

my kok has better def than attack

[shrewd crescent]

Because zoom has been scorned so many times by Def% that the cope that def would be good actually turned out to be true and is a good option with Cinnabar

[keen sinew]

🤣

[tardy cosmos]

you want future artifact that fit your shitty build
I want future build that fit my shitty artifact
we're not the same

[small turtle]

what happened to the 4 ap cult

[tardy cosmos]

4ap kuki actually make sense tho

4ap def/elec/crit

[small turtle]

sorta, but i have to take rotation timing dependant to the comp

when raiden has a 9 second burst window

and ap has 10

[green wave]

hmm

what about HP/HP/CRIT and cinnabar

[tardy cosmos]

I'm thinking beidou fischl kuki zhongli
kuki drives

zl totm

[small turtle]

i have the same idea but yae and raiden

zl totm and kuki ap, finally can put yae on a proper gear

[tardy cosmos]

i dont have yae

[small turtle]

have you look at the current one without kuki?

[dapper walrus]

guys how do we calculate healing bonus

its basically flat hp x healing bonus percent, right?

on kuki ofc

[small turtle]

((stat needed x healing mv)+flat healing)x(1+incoming healing+healing bonus)

[dapper walrus]

ah thanks a lot!

[shrewd crescent]

How does one use sheets for calculations

[dapper walrus]

idk but making one is making me learn ig

[shrewd crescent]

[thorn nest]

does anyone know what artifact set (including main and sub stats) + weapon go with shinobu?

[dapper walrus]

best we have right now are 4pc totm and cinnabar spindle

[thorn nest]

whats totm?

[dapper walrus]

why cinnabar: amps up her skill dmg

[dapper walrus]

tenacity of the millelith

the 4pc bonus is a very nice for her & the 2pc provides hp

alternative is the ocean hued clam, kokomi's set

[thorn nest]

ohhh i see, what about stats on the artifacts?

[tardy cosmos]

we dont know to be honest

[dapper walrus]

thats,, complicated right now

[tardy cosmos]

hp I think

[dapper walrus]

the split scaling has us bonkers but hp is the one set in stone

the rest is.. well..

[thorn nest]

its all good, thanks a bunch

[dapper walrus]

np! come back if u have any questions

[craggy yew]

hello kuki fans

[dapper walrus]

hello

:>>

[craggy yew]

what is our progress so far?

[dapper walrus]

we have assumptions and estimates on what gear we should put on her

artifact stats is a bit complicated tho due to the split scaling

[tardy cosmos]

and how weak kuki's scaling is

[dapper walrus]

we've deemed that her a4 em passive needs a buff

[craggy yew]

[dapper walrus]

yes this too

we've also deemed cinnabar spindle a good option that buffs her skill

best so far

[shrewd crescent]

Kuki Kopers

[dapper walrus]

then um.. best sets are either totm or clam

[craggy yew]

how?

[dapper walrus]

the passive

[shrewd crescent]

Ask Zoom

[small turtle]

a4 doesnt need a buff, its needs a complete rework

[shrewd crescent]

Dude has been hurt too many times by def rollsn

[small turtle]

the EM passive aint cutting it

[craggy yew]

[shrewd crescent]

What's the assumption on how it works

[small turtle]

imo

[small turtle]

as of now, with zooms explanation, both are flat

[dapper walrus]

according to zoom.. uh, kuki doesnt need any def investment if u run cinnabar on her since it already provides a lot of def

so u can run 4pc totm and cinnabar, no problems

[shrewd crescent]

Also where does one go to learn about sheets cause I wanna sheet something with Kuki

[craggy yew]

i think thats good enough as initial feedback, let see soon the adjustments

[dapper walrus]

i check other sheets for reference so try that

[shrewd crescent]

Okay so where can I find a sheet

[dapper walrus]

kqm

their guides have sheets

a lot of sheets

too many sheets

[shrewd crescent]

Man now I have to join kqm

[dapper walrus]

no wait they have a site

https://keqingmains.com/

most of the build guides with sheets are there

[craggy yew]

you can ask prick, iirc he has a short guide on how to make guide

[dapper flint]

is item that for lvl up kuki, using from ruin serpent ?

[dapper walrus]

guide on how to make a guide... very pog

[dapper walrus]

yes

the ruin serpent drops her mats

for talents she uses the raiden boss

naku weed is her plant

iirc she uses elegance

[glad turret]

i thought she scales of off hp? does she scale with def as well? or is it just the weapon’s passive that benefits her?

[dapper flint]

thx

[dapper walrus]

she scales off of hp and em for heals- however the passive benefits her and she doesnt need def investment because the weapon provides def

so u can slap on a 4pc totm with hp/hp/hp and equip cinnabar and have no problems

[glad turret]

so def is not needed on her? its just the weapon’s passive that is good for her?

[dapper walrus]

yes

[glad turret]

thank you so so much!

[dapper walrus]

np! you can ask zoom for more details and exact numbers on the cinnabar x kuki

[shrewd crescent]

I forgot I have that guide bookmarked

The only problem is that i have no idea how to use sheets

[dapper walrus]

can you give me the link

[shrewd crescent]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pXtVldgZQmi6lAsP0_UckSRYcSBHNFRbwfhcufk2RCg/edit#heading=h.h2csfnxkxdi

[dapper walrus]

thank you smm

[shrewd crescent]

No problemo now to read

[dapper walrus]

its like school

omg

and my math homework is right beside me

unfinished

tc > math

[shrewd crescent]

Can't tc if you can't math

[dapper walrus]

calculator exists

[icy granite]

You can use health instead of atk in the base dmg formula right?

Also in the “other bonuses” do you do (1+ bonus%) if it’s a multiplicative multi?

[shrewd crescent]

I'm assuming so

[icy granite]

Nice

[shrewd crescent]

Jo you know I'm stupid when it comes to this

Hp one those is a 70% yes

[icy granite]

If it’s additive it goes in the dmg% category right?

[icy granite]

Rip, you chose “idiot” as youre username for a reason ig

[amber plover]

I have a pog idea
ayato/sucrose/yae/shinobu
taser team that has access to VV and TOTM and Sucrose buffs the EM for both EC reactions and Yae's/Shinobu's passives

[shrewd crescent]

Example

[shrewd crescent]

You might be onto something

[mystic merlin]

Just came here. How does it work ?

[icy granite]

Like electro dmg% and emblem’s 4pc effect, that’s additive right?

[orchid folio]

Her skill hits many times but with low scaling

[dapper walrus]

without any def investment on kuki the weapon buffs her elemental skill via its passive

[orchid folio]

Cinnabar spindle fixes the low scaling

[dapper walrus]

the only def investment on kuki would be from the weapon itself but that alone can suffice

[shrewd crescent]

I want to say yes. But I'm afraid that I'm incorrect

[orchid folio]

Yes emblem of and electro dmg% are additive

[mystic merlin]

Sounds pog guys

[orchid folio]

Almost everything is additive btw very few things are entirely separate multipliers

[icy granite]

I see, if it’s multiplicative do you do (1+bonus%) or is it different?

[orchid folio]

It's a bit more complicated than that since true multipliers only affect base MV and not anything added

[icy granite]

I see

[orchid folio]

So for example xingqiu c4 is a true multiplier if 1.5 times on his skill damage

But if you have cinnabar spindle, you add 80% def mv to the skill. That is not multiplied by the 1.5 multiplier since it is not base MV.

[icy granite]

I see

Ty

[chilly flare]

ayo question that has probably been asked, is building crit on shinobu worth it? or would she not heal enough then?

[hollow cairn]

My cinnabar is not coming off my albedo

[craggy yew]

[shrewd crescent]

Does anyone have an EGT guide

[chilly flare]

i dont have albedo so finally i have someone to use it for tbh

[lament cargo]

just go to the kqm website

[shrewd crescent]

I AM IN THE WEBTSITE

The closest thing to egt is a sheet that shows the units of characters

[lament cargo]

under elemental reactions there's elemental gauge theory

[tardy cosmos]

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/elemental-effects/elemental-gauge-theory ?

[ivory chasm]

i dont understand her ult barrier thing, is it useful? or the ult just does aoe dmg in the circle only

[shrewd crescent]

[shrewd crescent]

I have read it and I have an aneurysm

[hallow lark]

you either get elemental gauge theory without looking it up

or try to wrap your brain around it with huge problems

no in-betweens

[orchid folio]

I don't know anyone who understood gauge theory without reading up on it.

[chilly flare]

ayo other question, how good is clam ser for her? does she heal enough to use it decently or is tenacity better?

[chilly flare]

its just,,,there to give damage its not really a shield

[tawdry bone]

cookie

[rain axle]

Is kuki a valid healer?

[chilly flare]

cookie sheenobu

[north sable]

will you electrocuted to death if you use kuki E and swims?

[hallow lark]

it's good but the question is why bother using 4 Clam when she is made to be 4ToTM bot ?

[tardy cosmos]

every application have strength units
weak application have long decay time per unit
strong application have short decay time per unit
you can overwrite weak application with strong application to have more unit AND more decay time

[chilly flare]

ooh gotcha! i was going for tenacity i was just curious tyty

[hallow lark]

with c2 you have 100% uptime on E and in consequence ToTM

[ivory chasm]

ah thanks so basically ult useless unless build dmg

[tardy cosmos]

some comp like itto, hu tao, yelan dont need tenacity
some comp like itto xiao can't be supported by petra/VV
clam is one way to increase your team damage in such comps

[chilly flare]

with my luck on sara tbh i will only manage to pull c0 shinobu

[hallow lark]

HuTao Yelan dont need it yes, Itto likes it

[shrewd crescent]

That much i understand. Its the valued and GU and A, B, C on kqm just confuse me so much

[ivory chasm]

i like her design so much 😩 hope she's at least decent

[chilly flare]

or guess ill risk a c1 itto cause i really like her

[chilly flare]

seems so, i tried reading her burst multiple times but it seems it only does damage and nothing else

well then guess ill try a crit circlet just to see how much damage she does

[ivory chasm]

it should do smth else, expecting some changes to her kit before beta ends

[chilly flare]

hope so too </3 maybe if the burst gave some kind of buff

[shrewd crescent]

I am still confused

[hallow lark]

it's a common misconception that Itto doesn't like atk% buffs

[small turtle]

basically

the numbers are the gauge

[ivory chasm]

itto def% into atk% gets like 4k atk isn't it

[tardy cosmos]

shields exhausted by amount of hits/application, so you want more units
but application decay is calculated by both decay length and unit

[small turtle]

and the letters is the time of decay

iirc

[ivory chasm]

just watch tenten vid 🧠

[small turtle]

A is the highest and C is the lowest

[haughty mural]

My future team: kuki, barbara, qiqi, Sayu.
I call it the Elden Ring

[shrewd crescent]

So is there a 1C or?

[hallow lark]

never die team

[shrewd crescent]

[chilly flare]

tru tru have people not seen itto teams with bennett around

[hallow lark]

that and his other best support runs 4 nob(not zhong)

[small turtle]

nope

explaing egt is hard

[tardy cosmos]

say if one hilichurl have 4c application of pyro
then it is melted 3 times, leaving 1c application of pyro
vs
one hilichurl that had 2b application of pyro
melted 1 time, leaving 1b application of pyro

the first hilichurl's pyro application will decay longer

[chilly flare]

ayo with qiqi physical dps clam

[hallow lark]

4 4clam team

[tardy cosmos]

even though each one have 1 unit of pyro application

[chilly flare]

i want all of the clams

that sounds fun for the laughs tbh

[tardy cosmos]

SORRY

1C DECAYS LONGER

[chilly flare]

barbruh ca go brr

[small turtle]

EGT is fucking difficult to explain, has too much shit in it

[shrewd crescent]

Doesn't the application of cryo determine how fast pyro would decay? Like if you applied cryo with 2b you'd only have to melt 2 times to completely remove Pyro aura?

[haughty mural]

Qiqi can full power that clam alone i don't think i need them all on clam lol

[tardy cosmos]

we assume cryo applied is 1A

[shrewd crescent]

Would I have to know any of this if I wanted to sheet Kuki

[small turtle]

if you have 2b of cryo that reacts with 2b of pyro, the existing aura is gone

[manic umbra]

Any new thing on kuki

[chilly flare]

but why have 1 clam when you can have 4

[ivory chasm]

kuki tc became egt tc

[chilly flare]

c l a m s

[shrewd crescent]

Okay and eat if its 4c cryo

[haughty mural]

I wish it could make multiple bubbles

[hallow lark]

I find 4clam as a wasted artefacts slots, I just don't like this set and I've whaled for Kokomi like. I popped off when her set was announced, farmed it for her just to find out that 4 ToTM is still better in my case (I farmed 4 husk but you know how it goes)

[tardy cosmos]

we're not yet talking about application tax here

[shrewd crescent]

Also is 4U and 4C cryo the same thing just one is apply units of cryo and the other is decay time respectively

[shrewd crescent]

[orchid folio]

I think technically A B and C are used for auras

[tardy cosmos]

U is general marker

[orchid folio]

You use U for geo and anemo

[chilly flare]

oh dang didnt know that

[shrewd crescent]

I see

[small turtle]

but if you have 2b of cryo that interacts with 1A of pyro that triggers reverse melt, there will be 1A of pyro left as iirc a rule is being followed here where the first decay that is applied will be the existing decay that will be inputted to the remaining gauge left when a reaction is triggered

[orchid folio]

Or for application of elements in general

[shrewd crescent]

I'm learning

[chilly flare]

even with qiqi tbh yeah the extra damage is nice but you only get the 30k when you autoattack with qiqi after skill and when are you gonna autoattack with qiqi lmao

[small turtle]

vins can probably explain in cohesively than me, im still learning about it

[hallow lark]

like 30k phys damage is just not that attractive imo

[shrewd crescent]

Man. Now I have to admit I need help from Vins

I'll get roasted for sure

[chilly flare]

oooo ye i get that

[shrewd crescent]

What the hell happened to vins

[tardy cosmos]

got inducted into kokocult

[shrewd crescent]

Was he banned

@brazen snow

[small turtle]

no he is not

[shrewd crescent]

But why invalid

[lament cargo]

he has no roles

did he leave ?

[tardy cosmos]

he's irked by Please list your character's attributes instead of a character name. This is a new guideline in place due to widespread confusion and ambiguity, thanks for understanding. (Example raiden -> female electro archon, Ganyu -> female cryo adeptus)

[shrewd crescent]

Oh

That's fair

[strange panther]

would kuki be able to become a good dps ? and is she better as phys or electro

i wanna make her a phys dps / healer

[shrewd crescent]

I actually want to see if that would be possible

[ivory chasm]

everyone building phy cuz of her aa animations

[shrewd crescent]

Maybe 2pc Pale Flame, 2pc Maiden/Clam/Totm
Phys weapon/Sacrificial sword
Phys goblet

[shrewd crescent]

If only her kunai could hit one enemy multiple times

Zoom I need thoughts on phys idea

[tardy cosmos]

if you want to build phys I think you should use clam in superconduct team
or in AP electro team

since sc boosts clam damage

[shrewd crescent]

I forgot she could be used with cryo for sc

[tardy cosmos]

kuki driving, rosaria, yae/zhongli maybe

[shrewd crescent]

Mainly because I forgot she was electro

[tardy cosmos]

or do phys AP in beidou/yae/fischl/raiden + geo team

[shrewd crescent]

I was thinking Kuki, Rosaria, Yunjin, Zhongli

[small turtle]

did he dm you about it?

[tardy cosmos]

nah he was angry
because I and another guy copypasted the bot that he has already blocked
he blocked me too afterwards

[small turtle]

[lament cargo]

[wraith harbor]

yea...

[strange panther]

kuki yae rosaria venti ?

wouldn’t kuki ult work with ventis

[wraith harbor]

does that bot even do anything important or

[tawdry bone]

hows shinobus kit lookin like

[wraith harbor]

[tawdry bone]

is her particle generation good?

[strange panther]

kuki ?

[tardy cosmos]

just spam to every mention of character name

[tawdry bone]

yes

[strange panther]

not sure

[wraith harbor]

aight

[hallow lark]

what if Ayato Electro Kuki and Venti/Kazuha

[little charm]

if she's going phys why not just 4pf

[tardy cosmos]

oh yeah she also can do 100% pf uptime

[little charm]

idk why people said clam made kokomi better when totm is actually being used 😭

is clam actually worth on shinobu? No right she doesn't do enough healing

[hallow lark]

Because ppl are coping that healers must do damage

I agree that they must do something else besides healing but it shouldn't be damage in most cases

[little charm]

Bennett and jean moment

[small turtle]

if she is really for healing, then so be it. Its still pre-tc, changes will happen sooner or later

she still an decent unit imo in some comps

[little charm]

if she was another element she'd have more comps

[strange panther]

im gonna build a dps kokomi but it’s not rlly bcuz I need her to do damage and not be a healer it’s actually bcuz I rlly like her

[hallow lark]

That's what I did

Full em kokomi

[strange panther]

i like to play as her a lot too

her kit is nice

to me

and like everything abt is her is just soooo pretty

[hallow lark]

Kuki is a really nice fit in EC comps

Maybe for physical comps too

[strange panther]

i wish she could infuse her weapon with electro keqing who

if she was made to be a dps they would probably have done that

[hallow lark]

Diona moment

Who can heal, give shield and buff ur EM at c6

[tawdry bone]

The E ICD is still unknown right?

[small turtle]

all of the icd is still unknown

iirc

[tawdry bone]

alright, back to training my waiting speed then

[orchid folio]

Until there is content that does so much damage that you actually need to increase healing for some reason, it will always be preferable for a healer to be doing as much damage as possible

[shrewd crescent]

Person asking wanted healer/phys

I'm going 4pc Pale Flame/4pc Totm depending on my mood

[little charm]

what y'all think about phys shinobu with rosaria zl and yunjin

[last flare]

heya fellow kukipiumers 🙂

any new build ideas? after some thoughts, I have three

[little charm]

any thoughts

[last flare]

mmmh, my thoughts about Shinobu as main dps is that her kit is completly anti-synergitic to that role

but to be fair, some character's best builds are counter-intuitive to their kit (hahem Aloy)

[little charm]

yes I am aware

[chilly flare]

fr fr i feel like people dont talk about diona enough

my baby diona

[last flare]

Diona kinda fell off the meta because it's all about damage...but I love her

[little charm]

I just wanna see smth

[little charm]

her E is constant electro app, so at least u have supercnduct up all the time

[chilly flare]

its okay i love her too and shes still not leaving my teams

[last flare]

that's true, but sadly you don't really need constant electro app for superconduct. It's nice though

[chilly flare]

yoimiya would be lost without her she needs the heal the shield and the em

[little charm]

you could just run yoimiya w beidou

[last flare]

Yoimya + Thoma/Zhongli + Bennett probably better

damn you, Bennett!

[chilly flare]

dionas shield is more consistent and yoimiya is very squishy i prefer diona ahaha

[hallow lark]

Diona never really fell off the meta

[little charm]

Im seeing her normal mvs r decent to consider a phys build

[hallow lark]

She is in this limbo

[chilly flare]

yup probably

[last flare]

no way Diona is more consistant than Zhongli!

[chilly flare]

i just like playing diona <3

[chilly flare]

i meant beidou!

[last flare]

more energy generation with Sac bow, though

ha, Beidou!

[little charm]

I prefer running w beidou and fischl, more dmg and covers for yoimiya lack of aoe and Xinqiu

[last flare]

prolly the most synergetic unit with Shinobu, tbh

[chilly flare]

tru that

yoimiya fischl beidou zhongli go brr

[little charm]

wouldn't even need zl, just run xq

That would be enough interrupt resist

[last flare]

but no healer, and maybe energy issues, even with Fishl

[little charm]

And also more damage

[chilly flare]

i would not manage tbh ahaha i need either a dedicated healer or zhongli

[chilly flare]

zhongli replaces healers

[little charm]

Just don't get hit 👍

Also beidou xq reduces like 50% of incoming dmg lol

[chilly flare]

fireworks is also really fun tbh with xingqiu and fischl havent played that in a while

[last flare]

I'll never play without a healer, I can't, it's against my religion 😮

[chilly flare]

then guess you dont have zhongli cause fr you dont need a healer with him ahaha

but i get u having a healer makes me feel more safe

[little charm]

just dodge 👍

[last flare]

I have Zhongli on the cheapest Shieldbot build I could manage

but still want some healz

[crimson oasis]

Kuki's Q hits hella fast and might actually do something for overload comps

[chilly flare]

if you dodge youd be interrupting youmiyas attacks all the time

[crimson oasis]

Considering kuki still kinda builds EM a little

[little charm]

well yeah that's why u run beidou and xq!

[last flare]

we'll see, but Overload is Overload...bad for melee units, and Shinobu desesperatly needs to be in melee range...might be interesting againt ennemies that can't be knocked back, though

[little charm]

No

[crimson oasis]

I said a little

[chilly flare]

i feel like im still too shit to try it out tbh AHHAHA ill give it a shot tho and see if i can not die

[little charm]

It's 7-13 ticks. So like 3 applications. Nothing crazy

[crimson oasis]

HP is better but you can't get artifacts with hp flat hp flat hp percent and hp percent XD

[amber plover]

I'm eager to try comps with a Sucrose/Yae/Shinobu core
Sucrose boosts the EM of everyone and said boost counts for Yae's and Shinobu's passives

[little charm]

hmm I last ran it in the abyss with pma on chamber 1. Don't try it against electro dogs lmao

[crimson oasis]

Aye but I'm coping

bc i don't see the use of Q otherwise

[last flare]

btw, Noblesse Oblige might be the best set for sub-dps/buffer Shinobu, since most of her damage comes from her burst

[little charm]

we all r coping 🙏

[chilly flare]

oh ye definitely lmao

[little charm]

the amount of dendro speculation in this thread

[last flare]

I haven't seen any 😮

[crimson oasis]

Yeah it's pretty much common knowledge at this point that u go 4p noblesse and otherwise clam

[chilly flare]

was farming tenacity and i kept getting eulas artifacts so same 💀

[little charm]

just search the word dendro in this thread 🙏

[last flare]

I still think there is a third build with ToM

[little charm]

I think totm is better over noblesse

[chilly flare]

oh i thought tenacity was one of her bis

id rather go for that you get a constant buff

[amber plover]

Totm sounds much better

[last flare]

depends, I'd say. Noblesse for a traditional sub dps build with little heals, ToM for low damage but nice heals

[chilly flare]

clam is alright but idk how much damage shed do, shes supposed to support you so tenacity is better

[crimson oasis]

Noblesse actually does damage yes

[last flare]

I think in both cases, you want Favonius sword and build some crit

[chilly flare]

unless you want her subdps ofc u can build characters however u want

[crimson oasis]

Not sure about that lol

[little charm]

well idk I think the 100% uptime totm is better? U also get the hp%

How much damage will she really be doing w noblesse like it don't seem that high anyways

[amber plover]

The difference shouldn't be big anyway

[last flare]

Noblesse has Burst damage, and still 100% uptime, no?

[crimson oasis]

Also noblesse is actually used by more characters so you likely have better artis of it

[little charm]

fair

[chilly flare]

also true

idk guess it depends if you want her full healer or want her to do some damage your choice

[last flare]

mmmh, my bad, 80% uptime for Noblesse...the same as Bennett

[crimson oasis]

Last night they did some clam testing and it actually seemed pretty promising

[amber plover]

Besides sets I think hp/dmg/crit is the play to capitlaise from the burst

An E bot build sounds fun tho

[last flare]

if you're looking for damage, yeah, but your healing is much less

[chilly flare]

ye i was thinking of doing hp/hp/crit

then if she doesnt heal enough ill just stick with hp circlet too

[last flare]

did some calculation, with a traditional dps build, with HP scaling, you're looking at roughly 2500 healing per tick

[amber plover]

Sounds great

[chilly flare]

YOOO thats good

[crimson oasis]

What's her scaling of heal again? At talent 9

[chilly flare]

keep in mind some em too and even more

[last flare]

with HP/HP/HB, it's more around 4000, 4600+ with full Clam build

at talent 11, level 80

[crimson oasis]

Ah yeah her healing isn't super big, she definitely needs atleast a hp sands

[shrewd crescent]

Traditional referring to adc right?

[crimson oasis]

That's about half of bennett (bennett is at 10.2% + 1174)

[last flare]

5.1% + 587, but she's a 4 star and E is her third constellation, so you might want to consider level 12 instead

[crimson oasis]

And we build bennett as atk(or ER)/pyro/crit

[last flare]

indeed

[crimson oasis]

No that's not what I do. I stick to KQM standards

[last flare]

mmmh, you're looking at lower heals then

[little charm]

is clam worth on her?

[last flare]

2200 then

[last flare]

2200 per tick at level 8

[crimson oasis]

I mean the point was.. We don't build HP on bennett because his heals are perfectly fine as is with atk(or er)/pyro/crit

So we wouldn't need it on kuki either, but her scaling is worse than bennett's

so we might

Some people build HP on bennett but I don't talk to those people

skill issue

[last flare]

then don't talk to me ^^

skill-gated

[shrewd crescent]

How do you use sheets

[chilly flare]

i mean plus bennett heals very fast you dont really need hp

[crimson oasis]

Just watch zajef explaining things and you'll get the gist of it

[last flare]

I prefer HP for healing back to over 70%

[crimson oasis]

Wait how fast does kuki heal then?

[chilly flare]

actually mine might have it cause i didnt update his build 💀

[shrewd crescent]

I'll do that later but I need to know where I can actually find a sheet to work on

[last flare]

one tick every 1.5 sec...but I'm not talking to you 😄

[shrewd crescent]

Do I just open excel or something

[lament cargo]

I usually make it from scratch

[amber plover]

Shinobu has basically 100% uptime on her heals too so it makes up for it

[lament cargo]

excel or google sheets ye

[shrewd crescent]

But using what

[shrewd crescent]

Oh

[chilly flare]

think it was once per 1.5 s

[crimson oasis]

Correct we're not talking kekw

[lament cargo]

I use sheets personally

[chilly flare]

so pretty fast

[shrewd crescent]

Okay first time sheeting a character

[chilly flare]

in comparison to like qiqi who has the same skill basically

[tardy cosmos]

based on my calcs at tl8
shjnobu's heals
hp/hp/hb is 2788
em/em/hb is 2422
hp/hp/hp is 2326
em/em/em is 1922

[crimson oasis]

Yeah just open excel, write down your attack and crit stats, calculate the crit modifier, then use the effective attack (attack * crit modifier) to calc how much dmg anything does

That's the basics

[last flare]

how much HP did you based this on?

[crimson oasis]

if you want to tc rotations, then use gcsim

[tardy cosmos]

sands calc only

[shrewd crescent]

Aye aye captain. Problem is I don't have excel. Or can online excel work too

[chilly flare]

i mean shed have a much higher hp right?

12k seems very low

[lament cargo]

I don't see why not

[shrewd crescent]

Okay back to work. I have no idea what I'm doing

[chilly flare]

this sounds pretty alright tho considering the healing is pretty fast

[last flare]

Shinobu has 15% more Healing Bonus at less than 50% health too

[tardy cosmos]

pick your poison

[simple cypress]

Probably shouldn't use this anymore
This was before burst was revealed
The ADC has an error
And the number of E and C4 ticks are wrong too

And it uses favonius, which isn't exactly favorable to the rest of the builds

I did update it with fixes and included an HP HP Crit build which turned out pretty decent

I really want 3 EM Overload to work, but it really depends on the comp, which I've yet to even begin to think about, much less calc

[tawdry bone]

h

[tardy cosmos]

alright

[tardy cosmos]

that's base hp

[tardy cosmos]

pls let me know you have an update

[chilly flare]

then hb circlet is better ig? i dont know why people were saying hp circlet some time ago

[tardy cosmos]

above and under 50% hp

[last flare]

nice, thx

[simple cypress]

I did update it but I'll decide later if it's worth sharing, because it wasnt meant to be more than showing that maaaaybe 3EM is worth looking at.. not proof that it's better

[tardy cosmos]

with hp dc and em dc

[crimson oasis]

ngl triple EM looks sexy there for sure

[tardy cosmos]

thanks for the heads up, sorry if me using your sheet makes you feel awkward

[tawdry bone]

which teams would be best for her

[simple cypress]

It's fine!! No worries.. it's just out dated and needs context

[crimson oasis]

How is kuki's energy generation? Can she be used as a yae battery

[rigid hazel]

Hi there, so i want to ask anything kuki do beside healing, electro application and tenacity? Is her sup dps good?

[chilly flare]

would she be good enough as a battery even with cinnabar??

actually maybe i shouldnt be asking, fischl is battery for my yae and she has hamayumi for the atk lmao

[chilly flare]

not really, her numbers arent that high apparently - thats why people are saying cinnabar as weap, to buff her skill

[last flare]

she has roughly the same battery potential as Fishl, works both on Noblesse and ToM

[plush mirage]

Any new info on energy regen?

[tawdry bone]

what artifs would be good for her

[plush mirage]

Or are we still sticking with the leaked 0.66 chance per hit?

[tawdry bone]

Was 0.66 leaked? All I know was the vid with the minuscule sample size

[chilly flare]

tenacity, clam, noblesse

[tawdry bone]

ty !!!

mono electro team will be mine

[chilly flare]

yae shinobu raiden sara

[tawdry bone]

i don’t have yae💔 on her rerun i Will tho

[chilly flare]

i dont have raiden 😭 just dreaming

[tardy cosmos]

tenacity, clam, noblesse, pf, ap, all have potential

[tawdry bone]

i see i see

prob will run tenacity since i have noblesse on sara atm,,

[chilly flare]

me personally id go for tenacity cause she can give a constant buff its perfect for her

[young mesa]

oh mb

[chilly flare]

i mean im based so

kaeya

[tawdry bone]

I also vote for Kaeya

[young mesa]

I see

[tawdry bone]

C5 Soon...

also biased kaeya

[young mesa]

i delet cuz didn't notice i was in Kuki thread lol

[tawdry bone]

💔

[chilly flare]

im only on c2 he never came home on standard 😭

[tawdry bone]

c0

[young mesa]

sorry for changing topic, can you go back to kuki now

[chilly flare]

but ye putting apart bias kaeya is still better for applying cryo me thinks

[young mesa]

Tyvm

[chilly flare]

i just realized how ironic for you to have an albedo pfp lmaooo

[tawdry bone]

Well my Kaeya is still lvl 20

Farming artis takes so long I don't even pull anymore because my backlog keeps growing

[chilly flare]

iss okay you can build him in the future he wont run away

and artifact farming is always a pain

[naive vale]

how is kukis particle generation can she be a battery or not

[tawdry bone]

Looks to be somewhere between Albedo's and Fischl

It's fine

[naive vale]

alright ty

[crimson oasis]

google sheets is free

How is Kuki's batterying? Can she battery for Yae or is Yae still bound to fischl or raiden?

I do have C1 so it should lower her requirements a lot, but I can't remember if any leaks have been out regarding Kuki's energy generation

[tawdry bone]

i think she’s about the same as fischl don’t quote me on that

[crimson oasis]

That would be poggers

I don't need any ER at all when I use fischl

But that's C6 Fischl though

[shrewd crescent]

About that. How does her c6 even work? Like is it similar to c1 but just electro?

[tawdry bone]

Whose? Fischl?

If yes, then yes, it's +2 seconds of Oz + electro C1 for all your team

[supple snow]

Diluc, Em shinobu?

[tawdry bone]

Praying for 1.5s ICD E for Klee and FS em/em/em Kuki memes

[haughty mural]

Why is there so much more footage of the new girls on the internet than there is here

[rigid thorn]

for shinobu does she heal every 1.5 seconds? bc it says in her skill she “ does electro dmg to enemies every 1.5 seconds and restores hp”, i just wanna make sure the 1.5 seconds includes the hp

[lament cargo]

yeah

[rigid thorn]

okok cool

[crimson oasis]

Did you also calc her healing without any hp or EM main stat? Like just idk 6 hp% and 2 hp flat substats

I could do it as well but a new sheet always takes so long to set up ;-;

I don't have templates bc i'm big dumb

In essence, figuring out the viability of standard atk/elec/crit

[rare oak]

how much damage Shinobu's Q does?

[shrewd crescent]

Is it weird that at T12 Kuki's Q MVs at above 50% hp add up to 1 tick of her E?

At the same level

[gaunt pivot]

converting her E from atk to hp?

[shrewd crescent]

No I'm just saying in general. Before taking into account the different scaling

[gaunt pivot]

weird coincidence, but

[crimson oasis]

How often does her Q tick per sec?

[night helm]

||I think all these EM and DEF builds are meme||

focusing on her E and not just using HP which affects both

[dapper walrus]

nah if u do cinnabar + 4pc totm + hp/em/hb or hp her kit works wonders as a healer

[night helm]

Missing crit and dmg%

[dapper walrus]

substats

[night helm]

[dapper walrus]

or replace the hb/hp circlet with crit

electro dmg bonus = sara buff

[night helm]

That's 6 seconds of crit damage and an atk buff

[dapper walrus]

really, theres a lot of ways to build her- it just so happens that if u build her as everything it wont work

you cant build her as an all out healer and an all out damage dealer

so its either you pick one side or somehow do 75/25

[night helm]

When was building healing ever necessary?

HP does scale it

Surely yhats enough

[dapper walrus]

um,, since ppl decided to use her as healer in electro comps?

specifically comps that replace bennett with kuki

[dapper walrus]

u forget her em passive and constellations

[night helm]

Yes so even more healing

[dapper walrus]

ofc, if only c0 u can build her hp/elec/crit and call it a day

[night helm]

No reason to sacrifice damage for more healing

[dapper walrus]

well not every kuki enjoyer plans to build her as a dps

[night helm]

I wish it was the case that it was necessary

[dapper walrus]

nor does everyone plan to build her as healer

as i said, there many ways to build her- it just so happens that building her purely dmg (no hp on artifacts excluding flower) would be a waste of her healing ability

she is after all, the first electro healer

[night helm]

[dapper walrus]

im not saying u cant use her as a dps- but investing into hp and em is still necessary

it buffs her

now if you'll excuse me i have some homework to do

[night helm]

I don't think you've understood what I said, or the point I was trying to make

nevermind

[last flare]

the question is whether the healing from a conventional dps build will be enough or not

and the answer will depend on the player

[dapper walrus]

then i'll have to say it was both ur wording and me multitasking that led to the misunderstanding

apologies

[unique sphinx]

so do we know Shinobu's particle generation yet

[dapper walrus]

bruh i said i apologized why tf u rolling ur eyes like that smh

[night helm]

Do your homework

[crimson oasis]

How do we even interpret this? Does this mean that if you have 100 EM her healing gets buffed by 75% ???

[night helm]

We don't know

Until a tester says

[rare abyss]

it's flat healing

[night helm]

Or we get her in game

It's speculation for us at this point

[rare abyss]

hmm

[night helm]

"This is what makes sense to me" "this is how I think it works"

Ok

[unborn oyster]

if you have 100 em you have +75 heal

[crimson oasis]

So if you have 100 EM, then 1 tick of healing is a flat 75HP

Damn that sounds absolutely garbage????

[unborn oyster]

is 4pc tenacity good ?

[unique sphinx]

Is the dmg flat too?

[rare abyss]

4PC tenacity is good yes

[rare abyss]

dunno about that

[unborn oyster]

yeah but still something I think focusing on EM is not that good but still nice if you have some in substats

better build HP I guess

[crimson oasis]

If it works like that with healing, then the EM to dmg means 25% of your EM gets added to your effective ATK

Yeah I'm just building a sheet rn so I can do my own calcs

Still WIP

[unborn oyster]

if you have 500 EM you get +375 heal and +125 DMG

[unique sphinx]

seems worse than Yae's scaling ngl....

btw do we know her particle generation yet?

[unborn oyster]

would be so nice if every tick gave a particle

but idk

[rare abyss]

check the pins

one particle every E hit

[unborn oyster]

not bad

[unique sphinx]

oh so 1 every 3s

[rare abyss]

yep

[unique sphinx]

it's good enough for her 60 cost burst ig

[unborn oyster]

yeah

[unique sphinx]

might need a little bit of ER

but not much

[unborn oyster]

if you have Raiden there is not even burst cost, its the cooldown that will be your ennemy

[orchid folio]

It looks like 66% chance for particle in each skill here

But we need more evidence

Good news is there is no particle gen ICD, each tick can create a particle

[unique sphinx]

oh isn't it the same with Yelans 4th particle?

[unique sphinx]

Oh ya and since every hit is 3s apart it applies electro every time right?

[orchid folio]

hits are 1.5 seconds apart

we do not know electro application ICD yet

[unborn oyster]

yeah, so a bit earlier I asked if tenacity was good but also what are the others good artifact sets on her ?

to see what I would prefer to farm actually

[orchid folio]

Tenacity and clam look to be the best for now

[tardy cosmos]

tenacity, clam, noblesse, pf, ap, all have potential

[unique sphinx]

Ya Tenacity looks the best so far cuz you get 20% more hp on her and a team wide 20% atk buff which has 100% uptime at C2

[unborn oyster]

sorry but whats ap and pf

(yes I don't have the game in english)

oh pf is physical set

oh wait nvm ap is petra thing ?

[simple cypress]

Right
Pale Flame and Archaic Petra

[unborn oyster]

alright tenacity is probably still better for me to farm but I have a full clam set already if im lazy

and I also still need to farm pale flame for my physical bennett (yes a meme build even tho I don't have aquila)

[lunar zealot]

technically you have almost 100% uptime on Tenacity wiithout c2

E deals damages on cast, the last proc is 3sec before the CD resets (or less than 3secs accounting cast time), tenacity lingers 3sec

just sayin

[green wave]

cinnabar or iron sting? I have one billet and i wanna use it to r5 anemoma

[median sapphire]

i think you'll probably want iron sting

[spare torrent]

I think you'll probably want Cinnabar

But her kit could get buffed a little to where Cinnabar isn't the best option for damage anymore.

[hexed jetty]

do we know if kuki can be yae bat now?

[noble elbow]

any word on shinobu's icd

[crimson oasis]

Did some artifact set calcs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFQTsCd_EAegy3WMWQQ8tHxxK6kQqHb1a15aFTf6q04/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy cosmos]

do you use some weapon as a base?

[crimson oasis]

Fav

[tardy cosmos]

oh alright

is this average crit or crit hit?

[crimson oasis]

Average

[tardy cosmos]

that's not too bad at all

[crimson oasis]

This is an example of the calcs with the hp-elec-crit 4p millelith

[median sapphire]

wait is that all the q dmg?

[tardy cosmos]

per tick right

[crimson oasis]

229 is the tick

[median sapphire]

wait, that's like... really low

[crimson oasis]

I can't help it the scaling is only 6% of atk XD

[median sapphire]

SIX

i-

[tardy cosmos]

that's 6% of hp

iirc

[crimson oasis]

OH ITS BASED ON HP!?

Wait yeah oml

[tardy cosmos]

skill scales off of atk
burst scales off of hp

[crimson oasis]

Okay I gotta redo everything

[median sapphire]

damn

[tardy cosmos]

just redo the burst tbh

[median sapphire]

yea everything else shud be fine

[crimson oasis]

much better XD

[median sapphire]

woooo

[crimson oasis]

Of course. It references everywhere so it's fine

I just meant, I gotta change this for all the sets I did

[median sapphire]

hang on

what if you use kuki and amber burst together

amber burst has no icd right

what if kuki burst also no icd

overload go pew pew

[supple snow]

The healing row show heal per e tick or total heal throughout

[crimson oasis]

Healing is per tick

I could add the total heal as well but I think that's clutter

For damage it's less cluttery imo

Just because you don't care that your overall heal is 20k, you wanna know how much each tick is so you know to what degree you can have skill issue and not die

[tardy cosmos]

you might want to calc Petra as well

this looks wrong 695 -> 26k

[crimson oasis]

1 takeaway from this is that IF you can get 3 overloads, going EM is gonna be poggies for Q damage. The em-em-em build needs to overload twice and already does 10k more than a hp-elec-crit build

[crimson oasis]

Oh yeah I was updating that 😛

All of them are fixed now

[tardy cosmos]

thankss

[crimson oasis]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aFQTsCd_EAegy3WMWQQ8tHxxK6kQqHb1a15aFTf6q04/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to check my calcs and correct me if I'm doing something wrong

Might want to refresh the page if the summary page is still bugged on Q dmg

[tardy cosmos]

maybe you want to add disclaimer that EC have two ticks

[crimson oasis]

Wait I did 2 ticks?

Oh wait no EC does damage twice yeah..

[tardy cosmos]

no I mean

yeah

[crimson oasis]

What do people typically do, just assume 2x dmg in there, or like I did?

because I could just multiply em all by 2

[tardy cosmos]

this looks wrong
why hp-em-em deals stronger skill damage than em-em-em
more crit subs?

[crimson oasis]

Lemme see

[tardy cosmos]

i dont know tbh
ec calculation is god's domain

[crimson oasis]

More HP subs

[spare torrent]

What about Spindle with DEF/Electro/Crit?

[crimson oasis]

I might do that one later

My head hurts rn XD

I don't have the spindle myself so I didn't think about it

[spare torrent]

No... Spindle???

[crimson oasis]

No I took a break at anniversary and came back during itto's banner

[tardy cosmos]

rip

[crimson oasis]

It fucking stinks you can never get an event weapon anymore after losing the opportunity

fomo at its finest

[supple snow]

So is em build the highest dps?

[crimson oasis]

What's difficult about this? 😂 (overload calcs)

[spare torrent]

Yeah, especially with Spindle, it's basically like, "welp, never gonna get Albedo I guess" at that point.

[median sapphire]

does kuki burst have icd?

[crimson oasis]

Most likely yes, but we don't know yet

[tardy cosmos]

this should be
($B$11 x J3)+(0.25 x $F$6))

[shrewd crescent]

[tardy cosmos]

atk x mod + em x 0.25

[median sapphire]

cause i thought if it didnt, it could be used with amber ult to get a ton of overload

[crimson oasis]

What part is that?

[tardy cosmos]

e ticks

[median sapphire]

if a player could cancel it fast enough to cast the other chara

[crimson oasis]

Ty mate

I've been working at it for a while I guess I just got dizzy from all the different modifiers

Not sure yet if I am going to go for 3x em or hp-elec-crit

Both of them seem promising.. Just not sure how many overload/ec's I can get off in my comps

[tardy cosmos]

[tawdry bone]

cognitively... overloaded

Wrong reply, goddamn Discord

[crimson oasis]

EM in an ec comp will most likely be wasted tho

bc usually hydro is getting the EM

Atleast in like yae-kuki-xq-sucrose or sumn

[tardy cosmos]

unlike kokomi taser, sucrose taser with kuki as healer seems promising

[tawdry bone]

Predicting EC is a nightmare.

[tardy cosmos]

sucrose - fischl/beidou - xingqiu/yelan - kuki

[crimson oasis]

No yae

[tardy cosmos]

yae bad

[crimson oasis]

[tardy cosmos]

nah I dont have yae

[crimson oasis]

I got c2 yae

[tardy cosmos]

forgot that she exists

[tawdry bone]

Terrapin found out Beidou steals so many of Sucrose ECs that it could actually lose you damage unless Beidou was very well invested

[tardy cosmos]

hmm so fischl is better?

[tawdry bone]

Fischl should be ok tho I guess.

[crimson oasis]

Yeah I remember in childe fireworks, fischl and beidou are both irregularly stealing ec's

[tardy cosmos]

I'm thinking that sucrose can double swirl and then chain react

[tawdry bone]

Yeah sucrose is supposed to take EC ownership in multitarget

but Beidou is like "lol no"

Fischl is no big deal

[tardy cosmos]

because it bounce back right

[crimson oasis]

I don't rotation calc but using venti might actually be interesting for kuki's Q

[tawdry bone]

I don't understand the rules, I think it has something to do with the aura application rate

So the bounces should matter, yes

[crimson oasis]

Wonder how many overloads you could get going in a pyro swirled venti Q on top of kuki Q

[tardy cosmos]

wait are you using lv 70 fav @crimson oasis

[crimson oasis]

No 90

454 is level 90 right??

[tardy cosmos]

oh sorry I misseen

truck along

[crimson oasis]

the clam damage at 8k is garbage

[tardy cosmos]

anyone knows what's the average substats for def% and def?

[crimson oasis]

6% for percentage

flat no clue

[tawdry bone]

6.2% and 20

[tardy cosmos]

why 24.5 on crit?

[crimson oasis]

Oh lol I thought thats what it gave

XD

but it's 31.1