#kuki-theorycrafting
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46.6%
also i was counting dmg goblet when it was hp so my numbers were inflated a bit kekpain
doesnt she have 12 sec uptime and 3 sec downtime tho?
yeah i get 139k on hp/hp/hb now
.EM main is 186

.idk how my message related
HPDC is so scuffed 
also what about fav or iron sting?
does her skill circle have to attack the enemie in order for her to heal?
.idk why I compare them
.Amber is 18 hits btw

.wait, Shinobu skill dmg is dmg of each hit right
yep
how many times foes her burst hit again?
does*
assuming its per second?
7
7/13
What builds/artifact sets are people thinking of for kuki?
.13 is lower than 50 hp
hoyoverse should learn with mihoyo to put the total dmg in the new characters smh
4pc Milelith, 4pc Clam looks good so far
4pc Nob isnt bad but compared to mil the dmg buff uptime is almost always
2pc healing bonus/2pc Wanderers for low investment
im gonna build DPS even if it is shitty
Does she have relative uptime to fischl.? Im thinking on if she’s good enough to replace fischl in taser comps with Beidou,sucrose, xingqui. Thoughts?
her skill uptime is very long, 12s and down time is only 3s so yeah shes a really good electro applicator for melee characters
.c2 is told that give 100% uptime, but you have to stand close
fischl brings a lot of dmg to this comp and it already works without a healer
why do you start messages with periods
The electro dogs tho
The last inazuma character to release is ofc gonna be eletrco rest in peace eletrco "meta" after this point
My issue with the team is survival
it was rough but i did it 
.my Discord duplicate an entire first word
.so I have to type that every line
Do y’all think ER is worth building on her? Or should I look into going full hp
Since I don’t see where her burst brings an incentive. There’s no healing or anything
So electro rosaria
.60 Q, i dont think we need that
.if you bring 2 electro that even lower
she isnt that burst reliant i think but some say that her Energy particles is good event without ER weapons
There aren’t hp% swords. So iron stings looks like her BiS right?
Aside from favonius for team particles
I was kinda hoping to somehow bring kuki on my eula team
what if freedom sworn kuki 
But its hard to beat raiden or justify two electro
i fucking figured out why the max hp of my template is fucked
24% dmg for 6s
idk

@orchid folio what weapon did u use for your template?
sac sword
i'm still a cinnamon cookie believer... gonna give her cinnabar
sorry for my all DPS build
Ehehehe making me really regret trashing my iron sting back in 1.2 now....
Hp/hp/healing bonus for artifacts?
I feel ima just use 4p tenacity (hp, hp, healing bonus), iron sting
Dark Iron Sword bc I don't want to use a billett ♿
trashing a 4* weapon let alone a craftable one
But I feel like if her healing is quite impressive, then maybe I’ll use 4p ocean hued
But it ticks every 1.5s, so idk
In my defense i needed weapon xp
Me too 
gonna build hybrid kuki 
What’s her ascension stat?
HP
oh word
Oh
%HP
Damn
dude I just saw Shinobu’s gameplay and I honestly thought her ult was a barrier based on the wording of the skill LOL
Same

Maybe she can be a pretty good healer for 4p hued
Yeah her ult is kinda
to me
wdym, im only there for the healing for clam procs
im not using a4 for dmg cause its pepega
I thought her alt gave hp but nope just rosaria mode
How much atk does 4p tenacity give?
.ClownTao is a good emote
shes already a pretty good healer without artifs buffs, did some quick calculations earlier
.I mean the additional healing is flat, isnt it
i use zakha
I'm getting different results from both
yeah
i havent inputted kuki and yelan yet on the new version one
Hi how is Kuki burst after see her gameplay ? Is it enough hits to build electro/crit in her ? Or can ignore her damage like a Diona
tell me when you do 
yep
I think if you stack hp on her she would be fine
Just ignore her burst then? Focus onto heals only ?
what i dont get yet on kukis burst is how frequent is the dmg
I mean the burst also depends on hp
is it ambers burst where its per arrow? or like per tick
.2s/3.5s
.7hits/13hits
Yes , just wonder if it is to build HP/HP/HP or HP/Electro/Crit
18hits
Or if to improve her EM also, because from A4
It's better to priorize hp
ohh so 5% max hp dmg per hit for 7 hits? (on talent lvl 6)
Tenacity it is still best for her right, or is there other idea now
oh okay so her dmg isnt that bad
.flat healing and dmg so I dont think so
.Iron Sting, EM sands and Healing bonus hat
Is that a lot
.am I calc right
im calculating so far her heals and damages assuming her hp is 25000
So it is only flat increase to heal, maybe better to have an ER weapon instead then ? Favonius or Sacrificial, have her burst more
yeah how much would that be at t8
Information about scaling in pins
at T6 her raw dmg would be at 8k for 7hits but thats raw, no resistances or crits/crit dmgs
That seem decent strong? For healer, with only 60 cost
yeah its not bad, so Emblem set might not be bad on her if you happen to have spare ones
well it's not crazy damage but it's ok 👍
wait how
ohh total gotcha
Emblem it is too much characters who need it 🙃 I think to have Tenacity instead it is easier
150% crit is like 24k right

no dmg bonus either
Waittt she has hp% ascension?
yeah tenacity is bett for whole team dps but if you just happen to have spare emblem artifs and too lazy to farm its not that bad
we don't even have team calcs yet so don't rush too fast to saying she's bad just because of raw calcs
imagine if her Q made a shield 

not really saying shes bad, just said shes "not bad"
why Q bad
too much utility would be op

.if I got her on the first pull of the banner than she is good for me

I wasn't referring to you my bad
Her ER is not seem like issue right ? If have ER weapon, and her E seem to have similar strong particles to Fischl?
i've done my calcs, she can do total of 50k damage (7hits) with PJC, 2ToM 2Noblesse
may I see calcs
I see. Q is alright damage
for assumptions
Too lazy and broke to farm ToM
.crit or not
Clam will be taken whether she wants it or not

@fast rapids the calcs
Clam is strong for her ? I thought it will be weak, because of only heal 1 character
ah full crit
my calcs have it on hydro resonance team doing about 70k dpr for her
I'll wait for kqm standards calcs
totm better if it provides your team more damage than that
Also not post defense
yeah that was the clam damage only

Ok, it seem decent then, thank you !
139k DPR, 70k of it from clam
Dang
200cdmg? Do you have like perfect rolls or smth
.damn, healing are good
kinda
yeah clam is kind of busted if you don't need another set
wtf
its like 14k per clam proc
how are you calculating clam dmg
so what new do we know after the gameplay came out?
on hp hp hb btw
.havent reach maximum per proc yet
90% of how much she heal
problably not the average q dmg then lol
so our numbers match
pog
thats with kazuha btw
.healing bonus heal more i think
the likelihood of both of us being wrong
and 88 crit rate
sry I meant the average 🗿
It is maybe team depending if prefer Clam or Tenacity then ?
it is definitely team dependent
oh i sorry, o thought.... yeh
Time to fish through the left overs from itto runs then
.my friend's Xiao not crit with 95% crit rate 
.just kidding
Ngl, I might just run Harbinger of Dawn as a critD stick. Crit rate passive is a trap 
damn
DON'T
💀
you get 0 benefit from passive💀
my clam calcs without any comp is 11k and dpr is 61k with 3 clam procs
hp drain with HoD lesgoo
Okay, is there a team idea to her yet? Yesterday only know for taser, eula, and overload. Maybe Clam is more strong for Eula team also, for superconduct
Why triple hp
this with iron sting
cinnabar spindle gaming
than hb
Big cv makes my pp big
tone it down a notch
it's almost even tho
.yes because higher HP = higher dmg
.but Healing bonus is still heal better

yes but more healing is more damage also
141k
hp circlet better? 
did you remove the 2 hp subs
oh, no
flat hp is worse
but like
not by much
131k with 0 crit stats
HP HP HP with 8 flat hp subs, 4 hp%, 6 em
139k if i move it to flat hp instead of cdmg


we are doing em and flat hp not crit subs?
I have mostly want to try Kuki as a taser team for Ayato and Fischl , because both is characters to snapshot attack buff, maybe Tenacity seem to be stronger ? Trying to decide which to use
no I was doing crit before
but this was just to see
you know what could be great here?
some kind of strategy, without any flaw. we would forsake crit rolls and instead of relying on rng, heal more all the time.
man that would be nice.
@brazen snow
Wat
curious if shes good on
HP% sands, Electro Gob, Healing bonus circ for decent dmg

just a meme that kuki could do more damage with flawless strategy 🙂
Flawless Strategy time?
.flatHP is added after %HP right
.so like baseHP + %HP + flatHP
correct
with HP HP HP and the maximum number of HP artifact rolls she's at 43.3k HP
thats with max hp sub rolls right?
when kqm max standards 
what about %Healing bonus with all-in %HP substat
135k 😭
noir it's actually close
with 8 flat hp, 6 hp% and 6 crate rolls, hp hp hb% is 139k dpr
flat hp is the wave fr
so my flat hp pieces not shit? 
1k flat hp not dead stat?
What's her application like?

cn standards time
That's 7 ticks on q confirmed right?
Also wow that E range is much bigger than expected
Is kuki a healer or a dps?
Ahhh ok thanks
what happen

does Kuki Q have no ICD or standard?
Kuki cool
do we know kukis energy gen?
Don’t know yet there was no reactions in the video
It's probably a .66 chance to proc particles on E hit.
Appears to be .66 chance per tick
alright. will wait for notes I guess. thank you
Most turrets have rng particle
I wanna skip Yelan so I can pull for Kuki and save for dendro but Ayato Yelan looks amazing in theory 
Well I suppose there’s no reason I can’t use Xinqiu or beidou instead of Yelan as 4th in TF Kazuha

welp
so kuki is like 0.45/s average right?
Wut
what assumption do you use on er calc?
0.45/s of what?
particles


from my calcs hp hp hb is probably best for clam
Bennet2.0 

not good with maiden ?
Let me check that myself
hp electro cr with 2 hp% subs, 8 cr subs and 10 cdmg subs
I have at 152k dpr in your team
lowkey noir I give up on this unit
we need an optimizer 🙂
Just wanted to have my idea checked
HP[or ER if necessary] + electro + crit on jade cutter.
Build HP + crit. EM nice to have. Again ER until we meet the consistent breakpoint, whatever that is.
This about right?
for her damage yes
what abt for heals
for damage yeah. I'm assuming the HP will take care of itself
like rn we don't have content where "big healing' is needed so with this idea, the healing is a nice bonus
I get 142k 
hm
32%
35% here
how many c4 do you have?
5
Ya
I did 5 clams + 1 of only 1 tick
if I remove that I'm at 149k
That explains it
Lemme swap her back to ToTM see what happens
Thinking I’ll skip Yelan and just Xinqiu or beidou as 4th slot in which case ToTM should def provide more than the clam damage
109k with totm
totm should easily provide more than 40k across the rest of the team tbh
So ToTM needs to provide about 40k buff to the rest of the team
Clam willl also drop if 4th is beidou
even with yelan tbh
ok tbh I feel good about kuki now
I still think she could use some buffs and that C6 could be replaced entirely
but she has value
omggg her NA3
im maining her for sure
how's the particle generation on kuki?
good
no but like how many average in one E duration
from what we can tell it's 66% chance to particle gen each tick
oh
so on average 6.6 particles per skill at c2
so the best rn is hp/hp/hb ? 
hello is this the right place to ask about what can be a team comp for kuki?
yes
okii so i was wondering if she will fit in with team eula and team keq. is that the right team comps for her?
what builds are you guys running for her? I was considering TF but then scatchd the idea immedaitely and just wanna go tenacity, but I also want her to hit pretty good so I want jade on her lol
4 TotM and 4 OHC look like the best options right now
with HP and crits I'm assuming? or just go monkey on HP
it's in flux, for right this current moment HP Electro Crit wins out with Kazuha buffs
but for other teams, HP HP HB with clam may win
with sac sword at least
if you're running PJC you probably want crit damage for example
yeah I do want cdmg.
do we know if the E tick damage is based on max HP as well or is that from atk?
I mean given the numbesr I am assuming it's from atk
Good morning Kuki Kopers. Now that Kuki's gameplay is out how we feeling
TBH I still don't know where to put her in. I wanna use her for an actual mono electro but it feels painful to not include a swirler
wait sorry basic mechanic question, does flower count as part of base hpcomputation or not? it doesnt', right?
so her ult IS like amber's
does shinobu's E skill can apply electro consistently? would this be viable for example ayaka and shinobu for consistent superconduct reaction?
idk tho id prefer a wider aoe and lesser cd/ longer duration
no flower hp is added after hp%
aright just wanted to make sure. thanks
c1 gives her more aoe
I think I missed the ER question earlier. what ER breakpoints are you guys putting her on as solo electro / with raiden / with reso
kuki's e seems ok
I was afraid it would be like barbruhs
barbruh e slow :(
How good do we think kuki might be for taser comps?
hi I just woke up
any update
well, we have gameplay footage, dunno if you already knew it
I really like how kuki's skill is pyronado wide
Kuki nukie
what are you looking for
we have kuki doing decent damage with clam set now

plus the utility of healing, decent energy gen, and yet to be explored electro application
How much dpr is clam kuki now?
depends on the team and rotation lol
no triple em calcs yet? 
in noir's team we have her at ~150k dpr or around 5.7k dps
Well considering no hydro res and no sc for now
that's around albedo dpr right
Which one is this?
Phys zhong?
TF ayato
So hydro res included
yes
And 5.7k is all dps and not just for clam right?
correct
what weapon is good for her just based off the info we have rn? I was thinking of Iron Sting cuz of the em
Her EM scaling doesn't look very good right now as we understand it
jade cutter for hp
Sac sword is good for rotations built around it
Cinnabar spindle can be surprisingly good as well
Why sac she has 100% uptime
she has 100% uptime in 15 second rotations
in 24 second rotations for example, she doesn't without sac
So what's Shinobu's particle generation like
I'm thinking of her as OL/EC trigger and gets damage from that 
EC forget about it I don't want to open that can of worms
but for OL she has potential with someone like klee or xiangling providing a bunch of pyro
question is why aren't you just running them with bennett
unknown
why not just fischl bennett instead of shinobu
5.7k is low enough that a full em ec might be better than clam
But it's better tested later once she's actually out
Cause ec
there is never any consistent way to calc EC ownership
it will vary from rotation to rotation every single time
Is Festering Desire good on kuki or sac sword is better?
cinnabar better
if you want to go all in on skill
iron sting needs test
Maybe in ec/ol teams
maybe Sucrose swirling with high EM could help add more? obviously hasn't been tested, just thinking about it
possibly we get ICD later
EM seems pretty much ignorable
Just get c4 
hits only per 5s
worthless con
if only I had Jade Cutter, only options I got are the ER swords, Sting or Amenoma but I don't think the CDs lineup for full stacks
Swap the scaling for c4 and her E damage 
I missed the cinnabar spindle;;
I have it still at level 1
my pjc is still at level 1
solely cus its unused
i heard that you would be better off with hp sands than atk sands with pjc but idk
I just got my pjc to lvl90 today 
I have PJC but it's better utilised on Ayato so I'll not be putting it on Shinobu
Fav sword is always good option for some teamwide energy
Her ult proccing a lot of times allow consistent fav procs
Shes like Darkbolt Jonin. I don't know how to feel about that
yea
is that only cus of the kunai or
If only those autos could be used
i was hopin for a whip animation but the autos are satisfying so i wont complain
well we don't have to time the kunai attack to build up stacks this time around by I kinda miss doing that
it’s always the off field characters with the coolest NA strings 
Kunai and ninja theme
Ya idk what up with Hoyo
fr why'd they go crazy on Albedo's autos
they give yae a stick like a potterhead and now kuki with whip sword without whipping
Cos they look nice
Thoma 
It's more like a chain blade than a whip
Yae could have been a wizard 
he was slaying and then they made him an E bot 
I have enough boss mats for 80/80 Kuki so ig it's time for talent grind 
i was really hoping for a chain blade
i fuckin love that shit
Sumeru 
I wanna build her dps but idek what sets I would use
Regardless. Now I have to think of a phys team with this ninja girl 
Ngl I think instead of farming for Shinobu boss mats I should probably lv up my Bennett

Noir what are the chances her Kunai in her autos can hit 1 person multiple times
How copium is that thought 

That's a lot of copium 

Let me test this out with Darkbolt
maybe against big enemies
are her na scalings like
ok
at least
for a 4 star
well here they are
Do we have any confirmation of how EM actually affects her E damage, or is it just speculation until a tester analyzes?
can you do tlvl 9
What's the best possible outcome here
for comparison here's kaeya's na mvs
To work like resolve
Between iron sting, sacrificial, and favonius, which weapon should I use? (Note that the er% mainstat is useless cause I’m running her as a full support)
||Jade Xutter||
i'd go sac
Doesnt her skill have a moderate uptime tho?
12 duration, 15 cd
yea
On 3 sec difference
at one of the cons its 100% uptime iirc
So what’s the need for sacrificial?
I tested it out with Darkbolt Jonin and i got 4 kunai hits so who knows maybe Hoyoverse will give the same luxury to Kuki 
not thought of my own account
So favonius or iron stain would be better?
ehhh i heard people saying that the em buff isn't exactly the most worth
favonious would help team energy in general
doubt it. Dj still relevant? Lol
She's got some relevancy here and there. doesn't stop me from hating her though
Also let me cope 

does EM affect superconduct? maybe it could help with the Shinobu+Kaeya/Rosaria phys teams
not worth
man, seems my weapon options are limited to pure support ig
guess I'll test out my R5 Lion's Roar 
Is it me or is Kuki's ult tick interval weird
she's tricky, I'd say
Jack of all Trades, truly...does a little bit of damage, a little bit of healing, some battery
She heals, brings the 20% atk from ToM without any issue, could spam her decent burst if her particle generation is ok but seem terribly vulnerable to corrosion
Master of all Trades, jack of none.
the more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward Support ToM HP/HP/BH with Fav sword and some crit substats just to proc Fav
oh yeah do we know her energy regeneration?
not yet
seems like Fishl
we don't even know the interval between her ult ticks even though we suppose it's 0.5s
66% on E hits
We're fairly certain it's .66 chance to generate a particle on E tick.
So, average of 6 particles at C2.
It's middle of the road.
it's trickier to use, constant unconditional mono-target
who would be an equivalent as of right now
or as close as possible
I'd say Qiqi's E
interesting
im assuming the damage isn’t anything special either?
She ticks a bit faster but scales a bit lower (but her base HP is also less scuffed).
Qiqi's mechanic and Diona's healing potency
2k5 heal every 1.5s if you have a decently built shinobu i think?
pure damage build seems okish, but yeah, nothing special
I've calculated 3000, 4000 if really well-built
focusing on healing is the best route?
She can use Clam, especially in superconduct comps where you're shredding phys res.
we don't know yet
well her dmg isn't phenomenal anyway, so her ult and c4 are really just a small dmg bonus to your team
We gotta wait for kit changes too though.
They could make her damage less cope or improve her heals.
We just don't know.
wait for ult demonstration first lmao
Yea its a little weird with no burst heal but HP drain mechanic
there’s one in pins isn’t there
or do you mean something else
How do u go about healing herself without wasting hella time
mb fuck me i'm spreading fake news ignore me
when reading her kit i found it really awkward so i wanted to come ask what y’all were thinking
it doesn’t really make sense to me to make a healer who wants to be below 50%
what do you mean? If you're maining her, she'll heal naturally, if you're playing her off-field, you don't want her to be healed, like, at all
On a scale of gorou to kokomi how well does shinobu heal?
Also I'm not entirely sure if gorou is worst healer it was kinda a guess
it does, since off-field characters don't take damage
so her ult ticks every 0.33s?
So each E cast drops 30% HP right. So lets say u get to 1HP she cant die the first time but then what?
oh, she'll heal better than Gorou
Ok that's good
should’ve written “didn’t” instead of doesnt
she can't drop below 20% on her own
i understand her better now
Oh true thx. But what about corrosion
she gets hard-countered by Corrosion
yep definitely useless against corrosion abyss
it's a perfect fit for xiao and probably eula (a raidenless eula) but it's not great in quite a lot of scenarios
I mean its too early to say, but i feel like if u make a healer a glass cannon with no cannon they are just glass
Wheres the payoff for this rïsky playstyle
interesting for mono-Electro + Kazuha
by mono electro you mean raiden? if so I thought about it but running raiden without bennett feels like running naked
she's probably as good of a battery as Fishl, so she brings role-consolidation, healer/battery/ToM buffer
more Keqing/Yae Miko + Sara
oh, so sara kuki kazu and one of your 2 weak electro main dps
well yeah in that case it fills the healer spot quite nicely, not sure how powerful it is tho
Wait, so I shouldn't use Taser Miko with Shinobu/Yelan/Kazuha?
why wouldn't you? it's up in the air anyway
Well, the biggest answer is "no poise."
Xingqiu's probably better there thinking about it.
it's a weird comp. Feels like using XQ kazu and miko would do the same job, so you can have a 4th with more dmg and save yelan for the other side
'Cause he does add a bit of poise and makes Miko a bit more tankie.
the way I see it, Shinobu opens team-building horizontally instead of power-creeping the current meta, she makes non-meta teams better, but doesn't really fit already existing teams
lol yeah, ninja'd you there. lol
yeah i took my time typing lmao
Whats an example of a non meta team she makes better
I might actually try that at some point.
Could even use Sucrose instead of Kazu for the cope EM share. lol
Keqing Sara Kazuha Shinobu for example
Raidenless Eula with Rosalia/Xinyan/Shinobu
Doesnt bennett immediately make that team better
might run into energy problems for Sara and Kazuha bursts
she snapshot?
How are u finding her damage contribution in comparison to other 4 star healers?
what are the other 4 stars again? If we don't count xq and bennett? only barbara?
well, better than Diona for sure, also probably better than Support Bennett
Barbara, diona, sayu, bennett
Well, if you put her in the current Cryo Keqing setup that's Keqing/Shenhe/Chongyun/Kokomi, you can instead go Shinobu/Shenhe/Chongyun/Xingqiu 'cause Shinobu's normals scale higher (while her CA scales lower).
she might do quite a bit of overload dmg with em build
definitely better than diona tho, as she doesn't need to ult to heal
Are shinobus autos viable? Or are we talking dps diona level copium
diona is fully support char
everything is viable, even Diona charge shot build...would anyone recommand you NA build is another question, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't
Shinobu has good normals and animation speed.
I mean I would
That's just cause I prefer meme builds
"Meme" builds
Well thats what i was asking at first glance her normal multipliers didnt seem terrible
But then she doesnt scale her heals on attack like qiqi
problem I have with her being built as a damage dealer is split scaling on her E and Q
rather, slit functionality
E is for healing, Q is for damage
yea it feels atm like they took the three most controversial characters in the game and made them one unit
Amber+qiqi+ xinyan
her normal multipliers seem pretty good
doesn't feel as much of a dumpster as thoma or xinyan tho
you can build her Attack instead of HP, but her Burst will deal bad damage, or you can build HP and have her E deal bad damage
it even looks quite decent
gosh i really can't manage to count all the ult ticks in the video
can't figure if it's 0.25s or 0.33s
I counted 7
It's 7.
I do think the key is multi-hit Burst = easy Fav proc
0.28s?
But she doesn't really need Fav?
Like, she has good particle gen and her burst is only 60 cost.
not for herself, but better for the team
And i didnt time it but she was abovr 50% so i assume it was 7 in 2 seconds
7
Maybe.
so 12 or 13 ticks when low life? yo that makes her ult quite strong
they're non-elemental particles, that's valuable
She does?
Ye
probably Fishl level of battery
Not quite as good as Fischl, but pretty good.
it's like one particle every other hit?
Isn't there a video of the particle gen
there is a 12 sec vid of her E, cuts a bit at the end, misses one tick I believe, and only for the 12 sec version
13* 7.20=93.6*max HP . Whats a reasonable max HP for her?
imho, 30.000 and we begin talking
I assume no crit hat for 30k right?
something like that yeah, depends on what rng will give you
Ok so just napkin with only crit subs, getting to 80% cdmg bonus seems somewhat reasonable
EoSF?
Btw feels good thinking that it's a fun character that will be easy to build and does not require a fixed super high amount of ER, thanks to favonius bow
ToM ofc
eosf is a super waste
no way she'll need that much ER
to think of it you kinda right
So her whole ult sub 50% probably can hit around ~50k on a crit maybe maybe
whats her ult cd?
don't forget that there is no hp bow, she'll 100% take ER bows
or elegy if you somehow have one laying around lmao
Huh isnt she a sword user
wait, who are you talking about?
Is this where u parked ur car
its 15, Noblesse holder maybe?
she might, if her Burst is worth it
can noblesse and tom buff stack?
probably it must
it does
Idk if 30k-50k on high invest is worth it 🤔
damn so clearly tom, no noblesse
50k prolly higher than average
Low key feels like maybe the clam can out dps her entire kit
idk man
only in first Chamber of each floor of the Abyss
ur right mb
electro can break shields?
also, if she's the active character, you can pre-cast
Can we make up for HP with EM and the passive? Or is it a con
healer on life support for each floor
yea but its not exactly the fastest at doing so
for anything
Yea but hitting 13 times is alot on a herald
too early to tell, but EM passive is...weird, might be like Yae Miko, nice to have, but a bit wasteful if fully invested in
like em sands instead of hp?
Yea. Basically im wondering if we can leverage the passive to get good heals and just rely on reaction damage
It's for dendro reaction. Trust
you barely get anything out of the a4
if you can even apply enough pyro for that
Kukipium confirmed ^^
the em passive buffs the damage based on her atk, right? Isn't that the most useless thing?
It all circles back to dendro copium huh
yup
what? no, that's not how it works

This character is amazingly cool design, but im still struggling to understand where she is supposed to shibe
it gives flat dmg based on your EM and not a %dmg increase to the dmg you deal with the atk ratio on her E?
role-consolidation
she's a Jack-of-all-Trades
say that to C0 Raiden 😮
raiden has also the "destroy half of enemy hp under 6s" job
C2 Raiden, yes, C0 Raiden, less so
And the buff everyones burst by 20% job
less so but still super high dmg
C0 Raiden is enough
i had her c0 for a few months, it was enough to run her as main carry
let's circle back to Shinobu
Indeed
Cinnabar spindle on kuki
Battery is important, even as a side-job, lots of teams want a battery
So basically when i think of electro battery where raiden doesnt work i just come back to beidou and xiao
does her skill do that much damage?
her E does so little dmg spindle actually has value 🙏
wut
Yessss cinnamon 🍪
someone remind me what spindle's passive is again
Beidou/Shinobu looks great imho
skill dmg by def right
add 80% of def to skill mod
Flat dmg on ur skill
(is spindle still bugged against shields btw?)
Sucrose/Beidou/Xinqiu/Shinobu
751 def at lvl 90 on kuki, it's decent
afaik its still bugged
Maybe something like beidou shinobu, yoimiya + flex could work
... damn mihoyo at it again
What is the spindle bug vs shields?
the passive deactivates if you hit a shield until you swap the weapon
oh wtf
maybe, you bring Shinobu for better Beidou instead of Bennett for better Yoimya
That's a terrible bug
how is that not fixed yet
so my albedos dmg will randomly tank sometimes
mmmh, so you'd go Yoimya/Beidou/Kazuha/Shinobu for smoother rotations
It could stack up. u can throw in yunjin or something and have her on nobless, kuki on milleleth or clam and Beidou and yoimiya on dps sets
So me wanting to shred shields with kuki and wanting to use cinnabar on kuki just isn't going to happen together :‹
Kazuha could work too ofcourse
so in general you could choose to use kuki over fischl for comfort?
But then again yoimiya is ranged and the kuki pulse wouldnt be hitting much
for healing yes
but you have to go melee
why go melee?
kuki pulse is close ranged
the dmg on her E is super low, no need to try to proc it
oh shit yes
hahaha (i'm tired, probably gonna go to sleep, better than spouting bullshit again)
guys whats the exact buff kuki can get from lvl 80 r5 cinnabar
checking out my options here
to clarify i mean how much does cinnabar buff her skill
861.84 dmg on both weap and kuki lvl 80/80
(0 def from artefacts, only from cinnabar)
I'm planning to go Cinnabar, Clam, triple EM 
No substat will be useless for me 
ahh thanks a lot
so i have cinnabar vs iron sting
hmm
pjc should be very good too btw
sadly i am pjc-less
if pjc do you just
only 5* weapon i have is aquila 
don't want to try favonius sword? with some crit in artefacts or even circlet it could be great right? I'm not sure if the passive can feed teammembers energy too tho
yeah but i run a high er comp
mono electro
Eula/Rosalia/Xinyan/Shinobu for max Physical damage buffs
theres no point in running favonius if raiden batteries
hmm so still a pick over fischl for comfort
but then u'd have no healer in the comp
oh then yeah you're right, you only have these 2 4* weapons if you don't need ER
unless u can somehow make rosaria or xinyan heal 
well who runs xinyan with eula
idk
Some do
Ppl do
don’t dmg per screenshot enjoyers use her
iirc she's used alongside lisa and bennett for dmg tests
I do with Bennett for stronk auto-attacks
Eula also likes some protection when she builds her stacks after ulting
hm,, is it worth running shinobu in a keqing-geo mc-rosaria comp
hybrid keqing build
im thinking cryo reson > electro reson but what do u guys think
I don't see what Geo MC is doing there, but why not?
crit bonus
10cr
and resistance to interruption
with rosaria + geo mc + keqing passive i get 70 cr total
yeah, but it's a bit of a stretch to bring a character
wait this is phys keqing
What
you'd be better off bringing Xinyan at this point, no joke!
I see idk about that lol
basically running phys weap (aquila) with electro dmg goblet and 4pc gladiator
unorthodox but hey it works and does wonders for abyss
Heard that scuffs her dmg potential
cant get a good phys goblet with crit
thundering domain is bs
I guess it's to balance CA and Burst damage
Take mine 🙏
and yeah this too
gladly
in any case- my keqing can do 11k+12k charged attacks on both phys and electro
so i'd say my build's alright
i can always go pure phys but then i'd have no crit rate
and thats a pain
but back to my original question
still worth running or no
?
tbh they should swap q and e
So what I gather is
No one yet knows exactly how her EM passive modifies her E damage
:thumbsup_tone5:
yes
we're still figuring that out ig
There are a few ways it can affect it, all we can do is calculate under each assumption, I guess
Whether it is a memeable amount of flat damage, dmg% bonus, or resolve-like talent multiplier boost
Hoping it is at least a dmg% bonus
Resolve-like mechanic would be epic
But probably too good
And a total waste of a passive if it is a flat damage add
i hope they buff her em scaling 
No time for copium
Does kuki E have that big of an aoe? From the gameplay it looks like every 1.5s it attacks everything around her
does kuki have a good healer potential?
I hope they buff her ult. When an easy clam build can rivalize with a very invested damage Ult build while the clam build doesn't need any ER and isn't even a top tier clam user if you are looking at highest clam stackers (Qiqi Sayu in mind), that tells a lot about the Ult
Think of it like that but completely hp scaling
Hits 7 times when her health is above 50% hits 13 below
It might be. But it's still the first week of the beta and Yelan is incredibly stacked. Maybe Hoyoverse will look at Kuki 
the burst is just a shield breaker
I do want more hits for more shield breaking purposes tho
please make the buff be it
and not just higher scaling
Oh alright
I'm so happy that we finally have an electro healer though
Taser is one of my favourites
i hope for higher scaling, and that should be imo
so far clam, overload and damage ult builds have similar damages
but damage ult build is the only one needing ER, and the most investment heavy
that's unfair
and it is also the one that asks you to stay below 50% health, forgot about that
tho you will stay low hp anyway
the more i think about it, the more unfair it appears to me. she needs a buff on her Q
How many times does her E tick at c0
initial tick + 8 ticks
her burst seems good for overload if you have enough pyro app not for raw damage
Does overload even have icd?
personal damage wise, it's clam
totm locks you from hp/def scaling teammates like albedo/yelan
I d say the opposite, overload is the team where her ult is the less useful, because you will apply some elctro too fast, 3 times in 2 sec for the 2 sec ult, you will put an electro aura
0.5 sec separate for each character
I hope her initial skill application is weak
3.5 sec
Guess we'll wait
Can someone give me info about her particle gen? Does the chance of particle generation alter between 100% and 50% every other tick of E?
3.5 sec is more than 3 electro procs. 3 procs is the 2sec version according to the 3 hit reset rule of ICD
Honestly I'll probably give her fav sword/iron sting
Or festering desire idk
What will be her best 4* option
We still don't know her particle generation do we?
to me i'd say we dont know her particle chance per e tick but some people here seem convinced of a 66% chance per e proc despite only having something like 6 hits in a video as data sample which is clearly lightyears from enough of a data sample
Or could be something like a 66% base chance but if it doesn't generate a particle then next one is guaranteed
Or could just be that the video was not enough information to tell






