#kuki-theorycrafting

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subtle finch
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how much hp is an aritfact give

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mainstat

orchid folio
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46.6%

subtle finch
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also i was counting dmg goblet when it was hp so my numbers were inflated a bit kekpain

orchid folio
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that tracks

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with the same setup I had 140k dpr

spring arrow
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doesnt she have 12 sec uptime and 3 sec downtime tho?

subtle finch
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yeah i get 139k on hp/hp/hb now

median wagon
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.idk how my message related

small turtle
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HPDC is so scuffed C_KEKTao

spring arrow
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also what about fav or iron sting?

nova sierra
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does her skill circle have to attack the enemie in order for her to heal?

median wagon
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.idk why I compare them
.Amber is 18 hits btw

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.wait, Shinobu skill dmg is dmg of each hit right

spring arrow
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how many times foes her burst hit again?

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does*

fallen sun
median wagon
tawdry bone
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7/13

tough fox
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What builds/artifact sets are people thinking of for kuki?

median wagon
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.13 is lower than 50 hp

gaunt pivot
fallen sun
median wagon
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A_ClownTao im gonna build DPS even if it is shitty

tough fox
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Does she have relative uptime to fischl.? Im thinking on if she’s good enough to replace fischl in taser comps with Beidou,sucrose, xingqui. Thoughts?

spring arrow
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yeah i'd think 7/13 ticks is enough hits to use fav

fallen sun
median wagon
gaunt pivot
median wagon
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.waiting Tony To to oneshot with Shinobu

orchid folio
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why do you start messages with periods

hollow monolith
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The last inazuma character to release is ofc gonna be eletrco rest in peace eletrco "meta" after this point

tough fox
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My issue with the team is survival

gaunt pivot
median wagon
tough fox
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Do y’all think ER is worth building on her? Or should I look into going full hp

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Since I don’t see where her burst brings an incentive. There’s no healing or anything

hollow monolith
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So electro rosaria

hollow cairn
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her burst is for uhhh to look cool

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why are our names white

median wagon
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.if you bring 2 electro that even lower

fallen sun
tough fox
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There aren’t hp% swords. So iron stings looks like her BiS right?

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Aside from favonius for team particles

hollow monolith
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I was kinda hoping to somehow bring kuki on my eula team

hollow cairn
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what if freedom sworn kuki B_ZhongHmm

hollow monolith
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But its hard to beat raiden or justify two electro

small turtle
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i fucking figured out why the max hp of my template is fucked

median wagon
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idk

small turtle
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@orchid folio what weapon did u use for your template?

orchid folio
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sac sword

simple cypress
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i'm still a cinnamon cookie believer... gonna give her cinnabar

tough fox
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Not for the burst dmg

median wagon
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A_HumaruCry sorry for my all DPS build

small turtle
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im gonna do iron sting

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seems like a reasonable option and easy to use

hollow monolith
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Ehehehe making me really regret trashing my iron sting back in 1.2 now....

red roost
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Hp/hp/healing bonus for artifacts?

tough fox
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I feel ima just use 4p tenacity (hp, hp, healing bonus), iron sting

median wagon
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.doing research belike
ignore MAL

small turtle
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why would you trash a 4* weapon in the first place

stoic spade
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Dark Iron Sword bc I don't want to use a billett ♿

rose tiger
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trashing a 4* weapon let alone a craftable one KazuPanik1

tough fox
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But I feel like if her healing is quite impressive, then maybe I’ll use 4p ocean hued

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But it ticks every 1.5s, so idk

hollow monolith
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In my defense i needed weapon xp

red roost
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Me too A_HuSleep

hollow cairn
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gonna build hybrid kuki Copium

median wagon
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.Iron Sting is 165 EM

tough fox
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What’s her ascension stat?

stoic spade
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HP

hollow cairn
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oh word

tough fox
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Oh

median wagon
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%HP

tough fox
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Damn

slim tangle
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dude I just saw Shinobu’s gameplay and I honestly thought her ult was a barrier based on the wording of the skill LOL

dark geyser
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Same

tough fox
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Maybe she can be a pretty good healer for 4p hued

alpine dock
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Yeah her ult is kinda A_HmmTao to me

small turtle
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im not using a4 for dmg cause its pepega

hollow monolith
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I thought her alt gave hp but nope just rosaria mode

tough fox
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How much atk does 4p tenacity give?

median wagon
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.ClownTao is a good emote

fallen sun
small turtle
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are you trolling?

median wagon
lament cargo
small turtle
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i use zakha

lament cargo
small turtle
tiny sedge
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Hi how is Kuki burst after see her gameplay ? Is it enough hits to build electro/crit in her ? Or can ignore her damage like a Diona

lament cargo
small turtle
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yep

red roost
tiny sedge
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Just ignore her burst then? Focus onto heals only ?

fallen sun
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what i dont get yet on kukis burst is how frequent is the dmg

red roost
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I mean the burst also depends on hp

fallen sun
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is it ambers burst where its per arrow? or like per tick

median wagon
tiny sedge
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Yes , just wonder if it is to build HP/HP/HP or HP/Electro/Crit

tiny sedge
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Or if to improve her EM also, because from A4

red roost
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It's better to priorize hp

fallen sun
tiny sedge
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Tenacity it is still best for her right, or is there other idea now

fallen sun
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oh okay so her dmg isnt that bad

median wagon
little charm
median wagon
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.am I calc right

fallen sun
tiny sedge
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So it is only flat increase to heal, maybe better to have an ER weapon instead then ? Favonius or Sacrificial, have her burst more

little charm
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yeah how much would that be at t8

fast rapids
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Information about scaling in pins

fallen sun
tiny sedge
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That seem decent strong? For healer, with only 60 cost

fallen sun
little charm
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well it's not crazy damage but it's ok 👍

tiny sedge
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Emblem it is too much characters who need it 🙃 I think to have Tenacity instead it is easier

fast rapids
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no dmg bonus either

little charm
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Waittt she has hp% ascension?

fallen sun
fast rapids
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we don't even have team calcs yet so don't rush too fast to saying she's bad just because of raw calcs

subtle finch
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imagine if her Q made a shield Copium

median wagon
fallen sun
subtle finch
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why Q bad

fast rapids
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too much utility would be opCopium Copium

median wagon
fast rapids
tiny sedge
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Her ER is not seem like issue right ? If have ER weapon, and her E seem to have similar strong particles to Fischl?

echo schooner
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i've done my calcs, she can do total of 50k damage (7hits) with PJC, 2ToM 2Noblesse

fast rapids
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may I see calcs

little charm
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I see. Q is alright damage

fast rapids
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for assumptions

modern junco
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Too lazy and broke to farm ToM

modern junco
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Clam will be taken whether she wants it or not

rare abyss
echo schooner
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@fast rapids the calcs

tiny sedge
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Clam is strong for her ? I thought it will be weak, because of only heal 1 character

fast rapids
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ah full crit

subtle finch
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my calcs have it on hydro resonance team doing about 70k dpr for her

fast rapids
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I'll wait for kqm standards calcsA_HuLurk

subtle finch
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totm better if it provides your team more damage than that

orchid folio
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no burst noir?

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oh

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clam

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gotcha

stoic spade
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Also not post defense

subtle finch
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yeah that was the clam damage only

fast rapids
tiny sedge
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Ok, it seem decent then, thank you !

subtle finch
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139k DPR, 70k of it from clam

modern junco
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Dang

subtle finch
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i hope they buff her healing tho

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make those clam procs bigger

little charm
median wagon
echo schooner
orchid folio
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yeah clam is kind of busted if you don't need another set

little charm
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wtf

subtle finch
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its like 14k per clam proc

orchid folio
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how are you calculating clam dmg

unique sphinx
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so what new do we know after the gameplay came out?

subtle finch
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on hp hp hb btw

median wagon
subtle finch
orchid folio
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ok yeah

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I had it on hp hp hp

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hp hp hb is 13.9k clams for me

little charm
subtle finch
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so our numbers match

orchid folio
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pog

subtle finch
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thats with kazuha btw

median wagon
orchid folio
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the likelihood of both of us being wrong

echo schooner
orchid folio
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is much lower!

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🙂

little charm
tiny sedge
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It is maybe team depending if prefer Clam or Tenacity then ?

subtle finch
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it is definitely team dependent

echo schooner
modern junco
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Time to fish through the left overs from itto runs then

median wagon
stoic spade
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Ngl, I might just run Harbinger of Dawn as a critD stick. Crit rate passive is a trap Copium

small turtle
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damn

fast rapids
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DON'T

little charm
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💀

fast rapids
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you get 0 benefit from passive💀

small turtle
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my clam calcs without any comp is 11k and dpr is 61k with 3 clam procs

fast rapids
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hp drain with HoD lesgoo

tiny sedge
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Okay, is there a team idea to her yet? Yesterday only know for taser, eula, and overload. Maybe Clam is more strong for Eula team also, for superconduct

little charm
small turtle
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this with iron sting

orchid folio
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because triple HP isn't even much worse than her ideal set

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from my calcs at least

stoic spade
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HoD vs Iron Sting or whatever

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I'd take the extra crit dmg for burst

orchid folio
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in fact @subtle finch check with hp circlet

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mine is higher dmg

little charm
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cinnabar spindle gaming

orchid folio
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than hb

stoic spade
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Big cv makes my pp big

subtle finch
orchid folio
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it's almost even tho

median wagon
orchid folio
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yes but more healing is more damage also

subtle finch
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hp circlet better? D_ZhongOMEGA

orchid folio
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did you remove the 2 hp subs

subtle finch
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oh, no

orchid folio
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but actually

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what if we do what I did with koko

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and try flat hp subs

subtle finch
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why noit move it to crit

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i got 141k moving them to crit dmg

orchid folio
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flat hp is worse

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but like

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not by much

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131k with 0 crit stats

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HP HP HP with 8 flat hp subs, 4 hp%, 6 em

subtle finch
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139k if i move it to flat hp instead of cdmg

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we are doing em and flat hp not crit subs?

tiny sedge
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I have mostly want to try Kuki as a taser team for Ayato and Fischl , because both is characters to snapshot attack buff, maybe Tenacity seem to be stronger ? Trying to decide which to use

orchid folio
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no I was doing crit before

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but this was just to see

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you know what could be great here?

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some kind of strategy, without any flaw. we would forsake crit rolls and instead of relying on rng, heal more all the time.

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man that would be nice.

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@brazen snow

brazen snow
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Wat

fallen sun
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curious if shes good on
HP% sands, Electro Gob, Healing bonus circ for decent dmg

brazen snow
orchid folio
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just a meme that kuki could do more damage with flawless strategy 🙂

brazen snow
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Flawless Strategy time?

median wagon
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.flatHP is added after %HP right
.so like baseHP + %HP + flatHP

orchid folio
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correct

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with HP HP HP and the maximum number of HP artifact rolls she's at 43.3k HP

small turtle
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thats with max hp sub rolls right?

orchid folio
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that's kind of funny isn't it

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yes lol

small turtle
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when kqm max standards C_KEKTao

orchid folio
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135k 😭

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noir it's actually close

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with 8 flat hp, 6 hp% and 6 crate rolls, hp hp hb% is 139k dpr

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flat hp is the wave fr

subtle finch
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so my flat hp pieces not shit? C_HuSusge

small turtle
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1k flat hp not dead stat?

cerulean mesa
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What's her application like?

small turtle
fast rapids
plush mirage
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That's 7 ticks on q confirmed right?

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Also wow that E range is much bigger than expected

torn kettle
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Is kuki a healer or a dps?

fast rapids
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healer, can do decent dpr with clam

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also has good particle gen

torn kettle
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Ahhh ok thanks

small turtle
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idk where my dmg went

fast rapids
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what happen

small turtle
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oh wait i didnt account A1 yet

fast rapids
dapper flint
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kuki build is hp/hp/hb or em/em/hb ?

thin void
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does Kuki Q have no ICD or standard?

marble zephyr
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Kuki cool

hollow belfry
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do we know kukis energy gen?

subtle finch
spare torrent
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It's probably a .66 chance to proc particles on E hit.

subtle finch
hollow belfry
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wait rngC_HutaoYEP

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but still looks decent

thin void
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alright. will wait for notes I guess. thank you

subtle finch
mild scroll
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kuki can use the ToM A_HuTaoSalute

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100% uptime buff Copium

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might use it on eula comp

subtle finch
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I wanna skip Yelan so I can pull for Kuki and save for dendro but Ayato Yelan looks amazing in theory C_HuSusge

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Well I suppose there’s no reason I can’t use Xinqiu or beidou instead of Yelan as 4th in TF Kazuha

small turtle
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i am going to guess kuki c4 doesnt trigger on raiden q combo

mild scroll
small turtle
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welp

hollow belfry
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so kuki is like 0.45/s average right?

spare torrent
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Wut

hollow belfry
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what assumption do you use on er calc?

spare torrent
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0.45/s of what?

hollow belfry
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particles

woven locust
dapper flint
orchid folio
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from my calcs hp hp hb is probably best for clam

marble zephyr
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Bennet2.0 C_HuCryge

orchid folio
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wait

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hp electro cr is higher

subtle finch
dapper flint
subtle finch
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Let me check that myself

orchid folio
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hp electro cr with 2 hp% subs, 8 cr subs and 10 cdmg subs

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I have at 152k dpr in your team

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lowkey noir I give up on this unit

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we need an optimizer 🙂

thin void
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Just wanted to have my idea checked

HP[or ER if necessary] + electro + crit on jade cutter.
Build HP + crit. EM nice to have. Again ER until we meet the consistent breakpoint, whatever that is.

This about right?

orchid folio
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for her damage yes

trim isle
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what abt for heals

thin void
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for damage yeah. I'm assuming the HP will take care of itself

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like rn we don't have content where "big healing' is needed so with this idea, the healing is a nice bonus

subtle finch
orchid folio
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hm

subtle finch
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Wait no 146k

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Still highest since far tho

orchid folio
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do you have 2 E casts

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like the skill initial

subtle finch
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Oh shoot no

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149k now

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How much damage bonus are you assuming for Kazuha?

orchid folio
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32%

subtle finch
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35% here

orchid folio
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how many c4 do you have?

subtle finch
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5

orchid folio
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ah

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I bet

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you're only counting 5 clams

subtle finch
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Ya

orchid folio
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I did 5 clams + 1 of only 1 tick

subtle finch
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Was I supposed to do more

orchid folio
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if I remove that I'm at 149k

subtle finch
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That explains it

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Lemme swap her back to ToTM see what happens

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Thinking I’ll skip Yelan and just Xinqiu or beidou as 4th slot in which case ToTM should def provide more than the clam damage

orchid folio
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109k with totm

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totm should easily provide more than 40k across the rest of the team tbh

subtle finch
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So ToTM needs to provide about 40k buff to the rest of the team

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Clam willl also drop if 4th is beidou

orchid folio
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even with yelan tbh

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ok tbh I feel good about kuki now

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I still think she could use some buffs and that C6 could be replaced entirely

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but she has value

small turtle
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removing albedo + geo resonance took a big fucking toll

hollow cairn
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omggg her NA3 D_ZhongOMEGA im maining her for sure

thin void
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how's the particle generation on kuki?

orchid folio
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good

thin void
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no but like how many average in one E duration

orchid folio
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from what we can tell it's 66% chance to particle gen each tick

thin void
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oh

orchid folio
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so on average 6.6 particles per skill at c2

dapper flint
tawdry bone
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hello is this the right place to ask about what can be a team comp for kuki?

dapper flint
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yes

tawdry bone
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okii so i was wondering if she will fit in with team eula and team keq. is that the right team comps for her?

thin void
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what builds are you guys running for her? I was considering TF but then scatchd the idea immedaitely and just wanna go tenacity, but I also want her to hit pretty good so I want jade on her lol

orchid folio
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4 TotM and 4 OHC look like the best options right now

thin void
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with HP and crits I'm assuming? or just go monkey on HP

orchid folio
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it's in flux, for right this current moment HP Electro Crit wins out with Kazuha buffs

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but for other teams, HP HP HB with clam may win

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with sac sword at least

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if you're running PJC you probably want crit damage for example

thin void
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yeah I do want cdmg.

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do we know if the E tick damage is based on max HP as well or is that from atk?

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I mean given the numbesr I am assuming it's from atk

small turtle
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for now atk

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could be changed in the near future

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i hope

shrewd crescent
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Good morning Kuki Kopers. Now that Kuki's gameplay is out how we feeling

thin void
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TBH I still don't know where to put her in. I wanna use her for an actual mono electro but it feels painful to not include a swirler

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wait sorry basic mechanic question, does flower count as part of base hpcomputation or not? it doesnt', right?

remote edge
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so her ult IS like amber's

tawdry bone
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does shinobu's E skill can apply electro consistently? would this be viable for example ayaka and shinobu for consistent superconduct reaction?

remote edge
orchid folio
thin void
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aright just wanted to make sure. thanks

small turtle
thin void
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I think I missed the ER question earlier. what ER breakpoints are you guys putting her on as solo electro / with raiden / with reso

supple snow
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Lets goo dudes, woke up and saw kuki leaks!!!

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And the range isn't bad

dark geyser
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kuki's e seems ok

supple snow
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I was afraid it would be like barbruhs

dark geyser
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barbruh e slow :(

supple snow
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Her ult is Amber but reverse

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No complains honestly

exotic horizon
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How good do we think kuki might be for taser comps?

tardy cosmos
last flare
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well, we have gameplay footage, dunno if you already knew it

woven locust
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do u guys think with that animation kuki will be the one trigger reaction?

tardy cosmos
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I really like how kuki's skill is pyronado wide

orchid folio
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we have kuki doing decent damage with clam set now

woven locust
orchid folio
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plus the utility of healing, decent energy gen, and yet to be explored electro application

plush mirage
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How much dpr is clam kuki now?

orchid folio
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depends on the team and rotation lol

tardy cosmos
orchid folio
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in noir's team we have her at ~150k dpr or around 5.7k dps

plush mirage
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Well considering no hydro res and no sc for now

tardy cosmos
orchid folio
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uh albedo should be higher

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with geo res at least

plush mirage
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Phys zhong?

orchid folio
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TF ayato

plush mirage
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Ah

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Ayato kuki kazuha and?

orchid folio
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yelan

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xingqiu works too

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rot likely shifts around a bit

plush mirage
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So hydro res included

orchid folio
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yes

plush mirage
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And 5.7k is all dps and not just for clam right?

orchid folio
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correct

bronze heart
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what weapon is good for her just based off the info we have rn? I was thinking of Iron Sting cuz of the em

orchid folio
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Her EM scaling doesn't look very good right now as we understand it

cerulean haven
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jade cutter for hp

orchid folio
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Sac sword is good for rotations built around it

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Cinnabar spindle can be surprisingly good as well

supple snow
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Why sac she has 100% uptime

orchid folio
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she has 100% uptime in 15 second rotations

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in 24 second rotations for example, she doesn't without sac

unique sphinx
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So what's Shinobu's particle generation like

tardy cosmos
orchid folio
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EC forget about it I don't want to open that can of worms

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but for OL she has potential with someone like klee or xiangling providing a bunch of pyro

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question is why aren't you just running them with bennett

robust timber
orchid folio
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why not just fischl bennett instead of shinobu

plush mirage
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5.7k is low enough that a full em ec might be better than clam

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But it's better tested later once she's actually out

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Cause ec

orchid folio
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there is never any consistent way to calc EC ownership

orchid folio
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it will vary from rotation to rotation every single time

timber viper
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Is Festering Desire good on kuki or sac sword is better?

tardy cosmos
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if you want to go all in on skill

orchid folio
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Festering is OK

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but the MV on her skill is quite low

trim isle
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is iron sting good on her

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or actually will it be*

tardy cosmos
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iron sting needs test

plush mirage
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Maybe in ec/ol teams

bronze heart
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maybe Sucrose swirling with high EM could help add more? obviously hasn't been tested, just thinking about it

small turtle
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possibly we get ICD later

crimson oasis
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EM seems pretty much ignorable

shrewd crescent
crimson oasis
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Like yeah it's good but Hp better

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Just use fav

tardy cosmos
bronze heart
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if only I had Jade Cutter, only options I got are the ER swords, Sting or Amenoma but I don't think the CDs lineup for full stacks

shrewd crescent
crimson oasis
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I missed the cinnabar spindle;;

shrewd crescent
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I have it still at level 1

robust timber
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my pjc is still at level 1

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solely cus its unused

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i heard that you would be better off with hp sands than atk sands with pjc but idk

hollow cairn
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I just got my pjc to lvl90 today A_ThumbsupTao

unique sphinx
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I have PJC but it's better utilised on Ayato so I'll not be putting it on Shinobu

plush mirage
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Fav sword is always good option for some teamwide energy

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Her ult proccing a lot of times allow consistent fav procs

woven locust
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why kuki doesnt have whip AA animation, wat awaste madge

shrewd crescent
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Shes like Darkbolt Jonin. I don't know how to feel about that

robust timber
unique sphinx
robust timber
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i was hopin for a whip animation but the autos are satisfying so i wont complain

bronze heart
rose tiger
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it’s always the off field characters with the coolest NA strings C_HuBlobSad

shrewd crescent
hollow cairn
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fr why'd they go crazy on Albedo's autos

woven locust
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C_HuPepega they give yae a stick like a potterhead and now kuki with whip sword without whipping

cold pumice
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Cos they look nice

unique sphinx
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It's more like a chain blade than a whip

shrewd crescent
rose tiger
shrewd crescent
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I have enough boss mats for 80/80 Kuki so ig it's time for talent grind C_HuCryge

robust timber
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i fuckin love that shit

shrewd crescent
hollow cairn
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I wanna build her dps but idek what sets I would use

shrewd crescent
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Regardless. Now I have to think of a phys team with this ninja girl A_HmmTao

unique sphinx
#

Ngl I think instead of farming for Shinobu boss mats I should probably lv up my Bennett

subtle finch
shrewd crescent
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Noir what are the chances her Kunai in her autos can hit 1 person multiple times

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How copium is that thought A_HmmTao

woven locust
unique sphinx
alpine dock
shrewd crescent
#

Let me test this out with Darkbolt

robust timber
#

ok

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at least

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for a 4 star

bronze heart
#

well here they are

night helm
#

Do we have any confirmation of how EM actually affects her E damage, or is it just speculation until a tester analyzes?

fast rapids
#

can you do tlvl 9

bronze heart
shrewd crescent
night helm
#

The 3rd option I believe

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But probably too good

robust timber
night helm
#

To work like resolve

fast rapids
#

I feel like

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kuki's n3 isn't multi proc

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it's like zhong or yae charge attack

robust timber
#

yea it shouldnt be

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prob just has a wide aoe

fast rapids
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they can but there's a cap

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iirc yae is 2

tough fox
#

Between iron sting, sacrificial, and favonius, which weapon should I use? (Note that the er% mainstat is useless cause I’m running her as a full support)

night helm
#

||Jade Xutter||

tough fox
#

12 duration, 15 cd

robust timber
#

yea

tough fox
#

On 3 sec difference

robust timber
#

at one of the cons its 100% uptime iirc

tough fox
#

So what’s the need for sacrificial?

robust timber
#

not a real need

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tho i probably should have yknow

shrewd crescent
robust timber
#

not thought of my own account

tough fox
robust timber
#

ehhh i heard people saying that the em buff isn't exactly the most worth

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favonious would help team energy in general

shrewd crescent
#

She's got some relevancy here and there. doesn't stop me from hating her though

shrewd crescent
subtle finch
bronze heart
#

does EM affect superconduct? maybe it could help with the Shinobu+Kaeya/Rosaria phys teams

subtle finch
#

affects the dmg not the debuff

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and the dmg isrlyy low

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not worth building

bronze heart
#

man, seems my weapon options are limited to pure support ig

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guess I'll test out my R5 Lion's Roar A_ClownTao

shrewd crescent
#

Is it me or is Kuki's ult tick interval weird

tawdry bone
#

hey y’all

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what are you thinking of kuki so far?

last flare
#

she's tricky, I'd say

spare torrent
#

She's kinda of eccentric.

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And kinda a ninja.

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Definitely a very kooky shinobu.

last flare
#

Jack of all Trades, truly...does a little bit of damage, a little bit of healing, some battery

stuck breach
#

She heals, brings the 20% atk from ToM without any issue, could spam her decent burst if her particle generation is ok but seem terribly vulnerable to corrosion

spare torrent
#

Master of all Trades, jack of none.

last flare
#

the more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward Support ToM HP/HP/BH with Fav sword and some crit substats just to proc Fav

tawdry bone
#

oh yeah do we know her energy regeneration?

stuck breach
#

not yet

last flare
#

seems like Fishl

stuck breach
#

we don't even know the interval between her ult ticks even though we suppose it's 0.5s

last flare
#

66% on E hits

spare torrent
#

So, average of 6 particles at C2.

tawdry bone
#

alright alright

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and then is her healing bad?

spare torrent
#

It's middle of the road.

stuck breach
#

it seem decent

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for a perma heal without any condition it's really fine

last flare
#

it's trickier to use, constant unconditional mono-target

tawdry bone
#

or as close as possible

last flare
#

I'd say Qiqi's E

tawdry bone
#

interesting

spare torrent
#

I would say Diona.

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She's closest to Diona in terms of healing.

tawdry bone
#

im assuming the damage isn’t anything special either?

spare torrent
#

She ticks a bit faster but scales a bit lower (but her base HP is also less scuffed).

last flare
#

Qiqi's mechanic and Diona's healing potency

stuck breach
#

2k5 heal every 1.5s if you have a decently built shinobu i think?

last flare
#

pure damage build seems okish, but yeah, nothing special

last flare
stuck breach
#

built with healing artefacts?

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I was thinking only hp artefacts + tom

last flare
#

Healing bonus circlet, but ToM

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HP/HP/HB

tawdry bone
#

focusing on healing is the best route?

spare torrent
#

She can use Clam, especially in superconduct comps where you're shredding phys res.

last flare
stuck breach
#

well her dmg isn't phenomenal anyway, so her ult and c4 are really just a small dmg bonus to your team

spare torrent
#

We gotta wait for kit changes too though.

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They could make her damage less cope or improve her heals.

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We just don't know.

stuck breach
#

wait for ult demonstration first lmao

main bay
tawdry bone
#

or do you mean something else

stuck breach
#

not with enemies

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i think?

main bay
#

How do u go about healing herself without wasting hella time

stuck breach
#

mb fuck me i'm spreading fake news ignore me

tawdry bone
#

when reading her kit i found it really awkward so i wanted to come ask what y’all were thinking

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it doesn’t really make sense to me to make a healer who wants to be below 50%

last flare
chilly jasper
#

On a scale of gorou to kokomi how well does shinobu heal?

Also I'm not entirely sure if gorou is worst healer it was kinda a guess

last flare
stuck breach
#

so her ult ticks every 0.33s?

main bay
last flare
chilly jasper
#

Ok that's good

tawdry bone
last flare
tawdry bone
#

i understand her better now

main bay
last flare
stuck breach
#

yep definitely useless against corrosion abyss

main bay
#

A healer hard countered by corrosion is weird

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Lol

last flare
#

it is ^^

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very unconventional healer

stuck breach
#

it's a perfect fit for xiao and probably eula (a raidenless eula) but it's not great in quite a lot of scenarios

main bay
#

I mean its too early to say, but i feel like if u make a healer a glass cannon with no cannon they are just glass

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Wheres the payoff for this rïsky playstyle

last flare
stuck breach
#

by mono electro you mean raiden? if so I thought about it but running raiden without bennett feels like running naked

last flare
stuck breach
#

oh, so sara kuki kazu and one of your 2 weak electro main dps

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well yeah in that case it fills the healer spot quite nicely, not sure how powerful it is tho

spare torrent
#

Wait, so I shouldn't use Taser Miko with Shinobu/Yelan/Kazuha?

last flare
#

why wouldn't you? it's up in the air anyway

spare torrent
#

Well, the biggest answer is "no poise."

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Xingqiu's probably better there thinking about it.

stuck breach
spare torrent
#

'Cause he does add a bit of poise and makes Miko a bit more tankie.

last flare
#

the way I see it, Shinobu opens team-building horizontally instead of power-creeping the current meta, she makes non-meta teams better, but doesn't really fit already existing teams

spare torrent
stuck breach
#

yeah i took my time typing lmao

main bay
spare torrent
#

I might actually try that at some point.

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Could even use Sucrose instead of Kazu for the cope EM share. lol

last flare
last flare
main bay
last flare
main bay
#

🤔

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Let me look at her kit again with fresh eyes

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I need to look at some numbers

main bay
#

How are u finding her damage contribution in comparison to other 4 star healers?

stuck breach
#

what are the other 4 stars again? If we don't count xq and bennett? only barbara?

last flare
main bay
#

Barbara, diona, sayu, bennett

last flare
#

better than Barbara for sure

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prolly weaker than Jean

spare torrent
supple snow
#

she might do quite a bit of overload dmg with em build

spare torrent
#

And she self heals, so no need for Kokomi.

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Really good QoL there.

stuck breach
#

definitely better than diona tho, as she doesn't need to ult to heal

main bay
#

Are shinobus autos viable? Or are we talking dps diona level copium

supple snow
#

diona is fully support char

last flare
spare torrent
#

Shinobu has good normals and animation speed.

shrewd crescent
#

That's just cause I prefer meme builds

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"Meme" builds

main bay
#

But then she doesnt scale her heals on attack like qiqi

last flare
#

rather, slit functionality

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E is for healing, Q is for damage

main bay
#

yea it feels atm like they took the three most controversial characters in the game and made them one unit

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Amber+qiqi+ xinyan

little charm
#

her normal multipliers seem pretty good

stuck breach
#

doesn't feel as much of a dumpster as thoma or xinyan tho

last flare
#

you can build her Attack instead of HP, but her Burst will deal bad damage, or you can build HP and have her E deal bad damage

stuck breach
#

it even looks quite decent

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gosh i really can't manage to count all the ult ticks in the video

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can't figure if it's 0.25s or 0.33s

main bay
#

I counted 7

spare torrent
#

It's 7.

last flare
#

I do think the key is multi-hit Burst = easy Fav proc

stuck breach
#

0.28s?

spare torrent
#

But she doesn't really need Fav?

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Like, she has good particle gen and her burst is only 60 cost.

last flare
#

not for herself, but better for the team

main bay
#

And i didnt time it but she was abovr 50% so i assume it was 7 in 2 seconds

little charm
#

7

spare torrent
#

Maybe.

stuck breach
#

so 12 or 13 ticks when low life? yo that makes her ult quite strong

last flare
#

they're non-elemental particles, that's valuable

spare torrent
last flare
spare torrent
#

Not quite as good as Fischl, but pretty good.

little charm
#

it's like one particle every other hit?

spare torrent
#

.66 chance per E tick.

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Probably

little charm
#

Isn't there a video of the particle gen

last flare
#

there is a 12 sec vid of her E, cuts a bit at the end, misses one tick I believe, and only for the 12 sec version

main bay
#

13* 7.20=93.6*max HP . Whats a reasonable max HP for her?

last flare
#

imho, 30.000 and we begin talking

main bay
#

I assume no crit hat for 30k right?

last flare
#

ho, no actually, HB hat

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but HP goblet

stuck breach
#

something like that yeah, depends on what rng will give you

main bay
#

Ok so just napkin with only crit subs, getting to 80% cdmg bonus seems somewhat reasonable

supple snow
#

EoSF?

stuck breach
#

Btw feels good thinking that it's a fun character that will be easy to build and does not require a fixed super high amount of ER, thanks to favonius bow

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ToM ofc

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eosf is a super waste

last flare
supple snow
#

to think of it you kinda right

main bay
#

So her whole ult sub 50% probably can hit around ~50k on a crit maybe maybe

supple snow
#

whats her ult cd?

stuck breach
#

don't forget that there is no hp bow, she'll 100% take ER bows

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or elegy if you somehow have one laying around lmao

main bay
#

Huh isnt she a sword user

last flare
#

wait, who are you talking about?

main bay
#

Is this where u parked ur car

stuck breach
supple snow
stuck breach
#

too much yelan tc

#

sry

main bay
#

Lol i knew it

#

I go back and forth too

stuck breach
#

but we still don't have a hp sword tho

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so still applies lmao

last flare
stuck breach
#

can noblesse and tom buff stack?

supple snow
#

probably it must

last flare
main bay
#

Idk if 30k-50k on high invest is worth it 🤔

stuck breach
#

damn so clearly tom, no noblesse

little charm
main bay
#

Low key feels like maybe the clam can out dps her entire kit

little charm
#

Maybe 30k

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but you'd have to wait til she go under 50% lol which is 30 seconds

main bay
#

It is alot of hits though… i can see it as a good shield breaker

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But… what else

little charm
#

idk man

last flare
little charm
#

ur right mb

stuck breach
#

electro can break shields?

last flare
#

also, if she's the active character, you can pre-cast

main bay
#

Can we make up for HP with EM and the passive? Or is it a con

little charm
#

healer on life support for each floor

robust timber
#

for anything

main bay
#

Yea but hitting 13 times is alot on a herald

last flare
little charm
robust timber
#

yea i heard that it's not worth going all in on em

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unless maybe overload

main bay
#

Yea. Basically im wondering if we can leverage the passive to get good heals and just rely on reaction damage

alpine dock
little charm
#

you barely get anything out of the a4

robust timber
#

if you can even apply enough pyro for that

nova sierra
#

overload isnt even that good

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dont focus on em yet

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until dendro comes

last flare
stuck breach
little charm
#

It all circles back to dendro copium huh

nova sierra
#

yup

last flare
nova sierra
little charm
#

a4 is a dead passive to me rn

#

btw any cinnabar spindle gamers

main bay
#

This character is amazingly cool design, but im still struggling to understand where she is supposed to shibe

stuck breach
#

it gives flat dmg based on your EM and not a %dmg increase to the dmg you deal with the atk ratio on her E?

last flare
#

she's a Jack-of-all-Trades

main bay
#

Battery isnt exactly a role.

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Its a side job

last flare
stuck breach
last flare
main bay
#

And the buff everyones burst by 20% job

stuck breach
little charm
#

C0 Raiden is enough

stuck breach
#

i had her c0 for a few months, it was enough to run her as main carry

last flare
#

let's circle back to Shinobu

main bay
#

Indeed

little charm
#

Cinnabar spindle on kuki

robust timber
#

wait

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why

last flare
#

Battery is important, even as a side-job, lots of teams want a battery

main bay
#

So basically when i think of electro battery where raiden doesnt work i just come back to beidou and xiao

robust timber
#

does her skill do that much damage?

little charm
#

her E does so little dmg spindle actually has value 🙏

tardy cosmos
#

lmao

robust timber
#

wut

simple cypress
#

Yessss cinnamon 🍪

robust timber
#

someone remind me what spindle's passive is again

last flare
robust timber
#

skill dmg by def right

tardy cosmos
#

add 80% of def to skill mod

little charm
#

Flat dmg on ur skill

stuck breach
#

(is spindle still bugged against shields btw?)

robust timber
#

it adds flat dmg based on def?????????

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oh okay yeah that

#

makes more sense

last flare
#

Sucrose/Beidou/Xinqiu/Shinobu

stuck breach
#

751 def at lvl 90 on kuki, it's decent

rose tiger
main bay
stuck breach
simple cypress
#

What is the spindle bug vs shields?

little charm
#

wait wdym bugged against shields

#

You mean armor?

rose tiger
#

the passive deactivates if you hit a shield until you swap the weapon

little charm
#

oh wtf

last flare
simple cypress
#

That's a terrible bug

little charm
#

how is that not fixed yet

robust timber
#

wait

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so you literally

#

have to swap weapons

#

or wh

rose tiger
#

so my albedos dmg will randomly tank sometimes

last flare
main bay
simple cypress
#

So me wanting to shred shields with kuki and wanting to use cinnabar on kuki just isn't going to happen together :‹

main bay
#

Kazuha could work too ofcourse

little charm
#

so in general you could choose to use kuki over fischl for comfort?

main bay
#

But then again yoimiya is ranged and the kuki pulse wouldnt be hitting much

tardy cosmos
#

but you have to go melee

little charm
#

hmm I'd rather still pick fischl

#

what other teams can she fit

stuck breach
robust timber
#

kuki pulse is close ranged

stuck breach
#

the dmg on her E is super low, no need to try to proc it

robust timber
#

errr

#

for particles

stuck breach
#

oh shit yes

#

hahaha (i'm tired, probably gonna go to sleep, better than spouting bullshit again)

dapper walrus
#

guys whats the exact buff kuki can get from lvl 80 r5 cinnabar

#

checking out my options here

#

to clarify i mean how much does cinnabar buff her skill

stuck breach
#

861.84 dmg on both weap and kuki lvl 80/80
(0 def from artefacts, only from cinnabar)

tardy cosmos
#

I'm planning to go Cinnabar, Clam, triple EM C_HuPepeSmile
No substat will be useless for me C_HuPepeSmile

dapper walrus
#

so i have cinnabar vs iron sting

#

hmm

tardy cosmos
#

pjc should be very good too btw

dapper walrus
#

sadly i am pjc-less

robust timber
#

if pjc do you just

dapper walrus
#

only 5* weapon i have is aquila A_HuCry

robust timber
#

hp/elec/crit

#

or just full hp

#

whats happenin

stuck breach
dapper walrus
#

mono electro

last flare
dapper walrus
#

theres no point in running favonius if raiden batteries

little charm
dapper walrus
stuck breach
#

oh then yeah you're right, you only have these 2 4* weapons if you don't need ER

dapper walrus
#

unless u can somehow make rosaria or xinyan heal C_KEKTao

little charm
#

well who runs xinyan with eula

dapper walrus
#

idk

hushed meadow
low lodge
rose tiger
#

don’t dmg per screenshot enjoyers use her

little charm
#

well

#

I guess 👍

dapper walrus
#

iirc she's used alongside lisa and bennett for dmg tests

last flare
#

Eula also likes some protection when she builds her stacks after ulting

little charm
#

I see, so thats a team

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very sad coz I don't have eula

dapper walrus
#

hm,, is it worth running shinobu in a keqing-geo mc-rosaria comp
hybrid keqing build

#

im thinking cryo reson > electro reson but what do u guys think

last flare
dapper walrus
little charm
#

10cr

dapper walrus
#

and resistance to interruption

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with rosaria + geo mc + keqing passive i get 70 cr total

last flare
#

yeah, but it's a bit of a stretch to bring a character

little charm
#

wait this is phys keqing

dapper walrus
#

hybrid

#

equal damage on physical and electro

little charm
#

What

last flare
#

you'd be better off bringing Xinyan at this point, no joke!

little charm
#

I see idk about that lol

dapper walrus
#

basically running phys weap (aquila) with electro dmg goblet and 4pc gladiator

#

unorthodox but hey it works and does wonders for abyss

low lodge
#

Heard that scuffs her dmg potential

little charm
#

why that instead of pure phys

#

Or pure electro

dapper walrus
dapper walrus
last flare
#

I guess it's to balance CA and Burst damage

little charm
#

Take mine 🙏

dapper walrus
dapper walrus
#

in any case- my keqing can do 11k+12k charged attacks on both phys and electro

#

so i'd say my build's alright

#

i can always go pure phys but then i'd have no crit rate

#

and thats a pain

#

but back to my original question

#

still worth running or no

#

?

brittle osprey
#

tbh they should swap q and e

night helm
#

So what I gather is

#

No one yet knows exactly how her EM passive modifies her E damage

#

:thumbsup_tone5:

dapper walrus
#

we're still figuring that out ig

night helm
#

There are a few ways it can affect it, all we can do is calculate under each assumption, I guess

#

Whether it is a memeable amount of flat damage, dmg% bonus, or resolve-like talent multiplier boost

#

Hoping it is at least a dmg% bonus

#

Resolve-like mechanic would be epic

#

But probably too good

#

And a total waste of a passive if it is a flat damage add

dapper walrus
#

i hope they buff her em scaling Copium

shrewd crescent
#

No time for copium

regal epoch
#

Does kuki E have that big of an aoe? From the gameplay it looks like every 1.5s it attacks everything around her

old depot
#

does kuki have a good healer potential?

ivory shoal
#

I'm sorry, but how does her ultimate work?

#

It just looks like amber to me

lunar zealot
#

I hope they buff her ult. When an easy clam build can rivalize with a very invested damage Ult build while the clam build doesn't need any ER and isn't even a top tier clam user if you are looking at highest clam stackers (Qiqi Sayu in mind), that tells a lot about the Ult

shrewd crescent
#

Hits 7 times when her health is above 50% hits 13 below

ivory shoal
#

Oh, so basically that

#

Alright

#

I'm not sure whether it'll be too useful

shrewd crescent
#

It might be. But it's still the first week of the beta and Yelan is incredibly stacked. Maybe Hoyoverse will look at Kuki Copium

tardy cosmos
#

the burst is just a shield breaker

#

I do want more hits for more shield breaking purposes tho

#

please make the buff be it
and not just higher scaling

ivory shoal
#

Oh alright

#

I'm so happy that we finally have an electro healer though

#

Taser is one of my favourites

lunar zealot
#

i hope for higher scaling, and that should be imo

#

so far clam, overload and damage ult builds have similar damages

#

but damage ult build is the only one needing ER, and the most investment heavy

#

that's unfair

ivory shoal
#

Is her best set Tom/clam?

#

I can always just swap what kokomi's currently using

lunar zealot
#

and it is also the one that asks you to stay below 50% health, forgot about that

#

tho you will stay low hp anyway

#

the more i think about it, the more unfair it appears to me. she needs a buff on her Q

unique sphinx
#

How many times does her E tick at c0

lunar zealot
#

initial tick + 8 ticks

spice sundial
#

her burst seems good for overload if you have enough pyro app not for raw damage

ivory shoal
#

Does overload even have icd?

tardy cosmos
lunar zealot
#

I d say the opposite, overload is the team where her ult is the less useful, because you will apply some elctro too fast, 3 times in 2 sec for the 2 sec ult, you will put an electro aura

spice sundial
tardy cosmos
ivory shoal
regal epoch
#

Can someone give me info about her particle gen? Does the chance of particle generation alter between 100% and 50% every other tick of E?

lunar zealot
# spice sundial 3.5 sec

3.5 sec is more than 3 electro procs. 3 procs is the 2sec version according to the 3 hit reset rule of ICD

ivory shoal
#

Honestly I'll probably give her fav sword/iron sting

#

Or festering desire idk

#

What will be her best 4* option

unique sphinx
#

We still don't know her particle generation do we?

lunar zealot
regal epoch
#

Or could be something like a 66% base chance but if it doesn't generate a particle then next one is guaranteed
Or could just be that the video was not enough information to tell

lunar zealot
#

the video was not enough for sure

#

u cant rule out something like that with a 10 sec video