kuki-theorycrafting

[supple snow]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mr-bean-bored-waiting-gif-16962141

Waiting and touching grass

[hollow belfry]

at this point im considering the possibility that kuki is just a case of mass hallucination

[mental stag]

she doesnt exist .. in fact everyone that interacted with her is just been halucinating ..

[calm ice]

Kuki kopers. We'll get the footage soon. Trust

[idle turret]

Bruh I think hoyo made a mistake and gave beta testers Ayato instead of Kuki

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cookie-adventure-time-gif-5334239

[idle turret]

Also why tf are we getting details on Kuki's animations and no gameplay... Tf is goin on ova der

[shrewd crescent]

She attacks too fast

[dark geyser]

shinobu leak where

[leaden shore]

wdym ?

[hollow belfry]

ayato rerun 2.7

[tardy cosmos]

unironically dark iron sword lol

[idle turret]

Check #791659074253094933

Nvm I misread

Lmao

[leaden shore]

that's what I thought lmao

[small turtle]

since beta has started, get ready for confirmation on mvs and stuff

[leaden shore]

maybe kuki is awesome with ayato

[small turtle]

give us hp

[shrewd crescent]

Hp what?

Scaling on her E?

[small turtle]

im high in

[fast rapids]

kuki is a mirage

the kuki we see is a genjutsu

truly a ninja

[amber shell]

what would be better for healer kuki, hp or healing circlet?

[rare abyss]

healing circlet

[amber shell]

tenks

[rare abyss]

For healer

[spare torrent]

If we could R5 Dark Iron Sword, it would almost definitely be the best F2P option. lol

[leaden shore]

To get the most healing out of a healer, healing circlet is always the best option

[haughty mural]

Shinobu soon

[small turtle]

im still waiting for footage so i can account her healing ticks

c0 should be 8
c2 should be 10

but i still need to see

[amber shell]

should i use pjc or craft the em sword?

[haughty mural]

Ngl I'm absolutely building her full healer mode. So tired of bleeding through shields. With cons she seems to have no downtime for her E which is better than barbruh and qiqi imo

[leaden shore]

I haven't calculated anything yet sorry

[small turtle]

i wouldnt recommend pjc on her, that weapon could be used to somebody else but if you dont have someone to use it, you can use it on her but take as a grain of salt, Iron Sting HP/HP/HB is close to PJC healing with maidens

[haughty mural]

I wish she did a genjutsu for her burst

[amber shell]

thanks thoo

[small turtle]

if i am using the right formula on her A4 being just flat healing numbers

[haughty mural]

Thank jeebus
Was wondering what to do with Sting after i got freedom.. It's on the shelf at 80 already, felt like a waste

[amber shell]

thanks!

[small turtle]

speaking of freedom

you guys know what i am going to say regarding that weapon and her healing

[leaden shore]

anything works ?

[haughty mural]

It's probably pretty good, no? But why would i take it off kazuha, heck no

[small turtle]

just an assumption for now, EM weapons are on value if my formula for A4 is correct being flat healing numbers added

75% of EM, i slept on this

guess i was wrong about it

[leaden shore]

seems like it's flat healing

so em bad ?

[small turtle]

nah

idts

if you have 200 em

you get

150 added flat healing, which is valuable imo

[leaden shore]

and that's before healing bonus no ?

[small turtle]

thats just added healing, not the entire healing formula for her

[leaden shore]

I guess it's fine but HP would be better if such a weapon existed

[amber shell]

yes

[small turtle]

[haughty mural]

Mhy scared to give hp and def weapons i guess

[small turtle]

ig if you are going for dmg, possible hp weapon is better

[tardy cosmos]

for every 187 increase in em (one mainstat), you get the same level of healing as 21% of HP at talent lv 10 and lv 90

[small turtle]

but her dmg is I NEED CONFIRMATION

[small turtle]

did you account the em bonus healing as flat?

[tardy cosmos]

yeah that's only the difference

[haughty mural]

2piece maiden 2piece clam here we gooo

[small turtle]

4 pc maiden is better, you get 20%

for healing of course

[leaden shore]

that and the fact she's electro is enough to say that she doesn't do a lot

[small turtle]

not for dmg

[tardy cosmos]

you could do well with 4pc instructor

[leaden shore]

(talent lvl 10)

2 first are skill last is burst

[small turtle]

problem with her is she scales off two stats, atk and hp, which is fucking horrendous

[haughty mural]

Yeah but only 10sec,after using skill... Which i guess is most of her uptime

[small turtle]

136 and 45.4 are atk mv as of now

[leaden shore]

Yeah they should make the skill scale off hp but still then her crit rate/crit damage will still be ...

[small turtle]

her burst and healing are the only hp mv one

basically she scales of 4 things if not including EM

[amber shell]

4pc maiden is bis for healer nobu?

[haughty mural]

Hmm 5% more healing for 5 sec less time..

[small turtle]

still need checking

just run totm tbh

[leaden shore]

totm for support

[small turtle]

has buffing potential

[rare abyss]

I get glashbacks of Xinyan everytime i see her kit

[alpine dock]

Got a picture of E and Burst

[leaden shore]

omg

[small turtle]

give it to me

[amber shell]

im just gonna steal my zhonglis artis then

[haughty mural]

If xinyan could heal I'd be less upset about it tho

[alpine dock]

https://twitter.com/genshinBLANK/status/1509525857223667712?t=vjnQiagOoMT1U9m8mrmuxA&s=19

BLANK  (@genshinBLANK)

Kuki Shinobu's Elemental Skill: Sanctifying Ring

Creates a Sanctifying Ring at the cost of part of her HP, dealing Electro DMG to nearby opponents. Follows the active character around. Deals Electro DMG to nearby opponents every 1.5s and restores HP based on Kuki's Max HP.
#原神

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Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 1:39 PM

https://twitter.com/genshinBLANK/status/1509525871652089869?t=VMIlIKkUNIHR1oqGF_FRnQ&s=19

BLANK  (@genshinBLANK)

Kuki Shinobu's Elemental Burst: Goei Narukami Kariyama Rite

Stabs an evil-excoriating blade into the ground, creating a barrier that cleanses the area of all that is foul, dealing continuous Electro DMG to opponents within its AoE based on Shinobu's Max HP.

#原神 #Genshin

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Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 1:39 PM

[haughty mural]

Or buff
Or do literally anything for the team

[amber shell]

oh so thats how the burst looks like?

[small turtle]

4 ticks per 0.5 second?

[rare abyss]

same

[small turtle]

please be fucking 4 per 0.5 second

[haughty mural]

I need kuki shinobu to be broken in some way please let it be something like that

[little charm]

what's the hp scaling per tick again

At like t8

[hallow lark]

We don't know what's the range on Kuki's E correct ?

[dark geyser]

where is it

where gameplay leakss

[amber shell]

just pics

[hallow lark]

for Kuki ? not yet here

[dark geyser]

pics?

[amber shell]

of drawing

[dark geyser]

pics of gameplay?

oh

[small turtle]

we could be getting it before other beta updates

[alpine dock]

Patience is a virtue

[hallow lark]

abc just needs to record the video

[amber shell]

we got a kuki idle so anything is possible ig

[small turtle]

@alpine dock does the dmg on the drawing like the amount of her ticks on her Q is?

like there are 5 ticks on the first set, assuming the initial skill dmg is part of it along with 4 other ticks

[hallow lark]

you know what I think the 2 second burst does 5 ticks

while 3.5 burst does 9

[small turtle]

Q is basically made for primary target rather than ST?

[hallow lark]

it is an aoe tho ?

[small turtle]

i mean the ticks

cause if its also a quadratic scaling, we might have some problem

[hallow lark]

there is no info about that

[small turtle]

yeah, thats why i am hoping its not

[hallow lark]

Based on wording I want to believe it is pure aoe

[low lodge]

Any kuki gameplay vids?

[rare abyss]

Now that you mention this drawing, it reminds me of Herscher Of Sentience

[little charm]

Is she immobile during cast

[orchid folio]

Wait it would be good

[mental topaz]

Jade Cutter

[fast rapids]

how does 28 ticks look

[mental topaz]

HP sub stat sword when

[fast rapids]

when heizou trust

[spare torrent]

We just literally need HP Spindle.

A percentage of Max HP into skill damage every 1.5s would fit her perfectly.

[tardy cosmos]

let's discuss on how Xiao will work with Shinobu

[placid pine]

He just will

[orchid folio]

If Shinobu is a good battery you could honestly run xiao fischl Shinobu + shield

Maybe reduce his downtime

[placid pine]

Put xingqiu maybe

[small turtle]

also fixes some of his ER issues with electro resonance

heizou anemo shielder

[gaunt pivot]

it's Xinyan's burst (the pyro part)

[keen sinew]

Credit does to @genshinBLANK on twitter

[orchid folio]

Do we click it friends

[placid pine]

I don't like dling stuff

[orchid folio]

Can you link the tweet

[keen sinew]

sorry i saved it as a file

[spare torrent]

Heizou HP buffer, so you can just go Tao/Heizou/Yanfei or Thoma/Yelan and Heizou's doing vv but also buffing everyone's stuff.

[orchid folio]

I can embed

[haughty mural]

What the frog is a jfif

[alpine dock]

Already been linked

[placid pine]

Ah so the drawings

[orchid folio]

Oh it's the images

[keen sinew]

yea i don't know why my pc did it as a save file instead of the pics

[amber shell]

aha dont worry we wont cancel you

[dark geyser]

what does the new con mean

[long frigate]

kuki seems fun, i like the idea of swapping to her to face tank something and buff her

[shrewd crescent]

The sacrificial lamb

[trim tundra]

Those cooldowns on her C6 though

[dark geyser]

where the gameplay

[little forge]

in paint

[orchid folio]

It seems to be exactly the same as before

[gaunt pivot]

Qiqi and barbara have 15 minutes CD

[shrewd crescent]

They res other characters so they can die again

[keen sinew]

so did her c6 change or only description of how it works?

[fast rapids]

description iirc

[glad harness]

mann. what is the point of her c6...

[amber shell]

if be satisfied with just c1 tbh

[dark geyser]

what artifs would be good for her

[trim tundra]

Back when Mihoyo didn't play their game, good times.
I don't like big cds like her C6 too much, makes it hard to use because the game doens't give you actual cooldown indicators. I don't think reducing it to a more useable level would make her too strong or anything. But hey at least her C6 is not a must have

[keen sinew]

cuz before it sound like both the em increase and won't die ability activated at the same time

but now it sounds like they can be seperate

[glad harness]

wish C6 is something like triggering a reaction + 1000 EM

[gaunt pivot]

you can jump off a cliff to be low hp for her burst in the overworld

[median wagon]

like a big load of heal

[hexed jetty]

does she work with yae lol

[amber shell]

yes tank for yae

[keen sinew]

like as of right now would stopping at c4 be her best bet?

[glad harness]

she should work well with yae

[gaunt pivot]

if the cd was shorter they would need some lore to explain why she is immortal

[amber shell]

anyone else running her with eimikosara?

[old depot]

how much does kuki shinobu gain the 150EM for?

[hexed jetty]

nice, but not battery?

[keen sinew]

not a lot

[haughty mural]

Barbatos blessing her

[glad harness]

150 EM is quite a lot. But problem is it's hard to get that buff

[amber shell]

we dunno yet

[glad harness]

almost equivalent to a EM mainstat piece

[keen sinew]

yea the em is a lot but won't be that good for her kit outside of reactions

[haughty mural]

Weirdly she'd get a lot of EM from Diona and albedo

[small turtle]

shes pretty much entitled to be on a 2 basis electro comp

[weary willow]

Physical Albedo Build omg

[small turtle]

so if you want to run an EM weapon you can

and still get your burst up

[amber shell]

sorry but whats 2 basis

[gaunt pivot]

c6 diona EM share has the annoying "only over 50% hp"

[night imp]

soo does kuki look worth pulling

[keen sinew]

i wish they would tell the beta testers their thought process when they make units

[glad harness]

too bad diano is cry

cryo

[small turtle]

2 electro char focus comp

[weary willow]

if she's on Yoimiya banner, definitely

[glad harness]

and only buff on field characters

[shrewd crescent]

Kenjutsu Kuki Komp

[amber shell]

a h okay thanks

[weary willow]

it's Yoimiya, bratatatata

[haughty mural]

Ooo you're right that clashes
Wait why am I even thinking about this realistically, I'm never going to use two healers anyway

[manic umbra]

wait why ?

[keen sinew]

recharge problems

[night imp]

but who does she look good with?

[gaunt pivot]

oh you weren't the person building a full healer team?

[small turtle]

i just feel like she will be run with an electro main dps

[amber shell]

shes prob gonna be on itto rerun banner

[small turtle]

for sustain healing and possibly battery

[manic umbra]

hmm I see

[keen sinew]

most likely

[glad harness]

she doesn't need her burst if her main job is electro application. And most likely her burst damage is not great anyway

[weary willow]

I haven't had the chance to look into her kit into full detail but I'd say Cryo physical units would work pretty well with her

[hexed jetty]

eula?

😳

so i can replace raiden/beidou in triple cryo eula team?

[haughty mural]

Hmm shinobu with eula.. Hmm

[hexed jetty]

so thats basically

2 healers

[amber shell]

i think ei would still be a bit better(?)

[night imp]

who r u gonna use eula with in that triple cryo tho

[hexed jetty]

Rosa, qiqi/diona

got c1 qiqi

[keen sinew]

but that 2 heals and dps seems low

[weary willow]

her kit as of now is honestly something that will definitely be adjusted as time goes by so TC for her is a bit difficult

[haughty mural]

Yeah i think raiden diona still the way to go for eula tbh. But maybe shinobu + kaeya if you're into that

[night imp]

From what I know, Raiden is just a filler on eula comp, she helps with er and thats it. So technically shinobu could get the raiden spot for healing and u get another slot for another support. However being triple cryo + shinobu could imply er problems

[hexed jetty]

i dont have raiden

[hexed jetty]

well

ig ill just

go for beidou

[night imp]

Use lisa

[keen sinew]

raiden with eula is for er and burst dmg increase

[haughty mural]

C6 fischl good too

[unborn ridge]

I find the concept of Shinobu's kit very very interesting and can be very useful and fun to play

[weary willow]

Bratatata

[amber shell]

uhm would eimikosara work with her or no?

[night imp]

yeah so u could run shinobu as an alternative and allow a different support to slide in the comp but again idk how good it would be

[glad harness]

eimikokazuha better

[haughty mural]

• extra nuke

[glad harness]

wait.. already have healer. so eiyelankazuha

[amber shell]

kazuha havers

[glad harness]

venti-sucrose then

[weary willow]

what we need is some ingame footage of her skills, its a bit difficult to understand how her kit works if I don't know what it looks like for me

[night imp]

Uhh idk till what point that could be good

[keen sinew]

her skill is just barbara

[night imp]

why yelan or xingqiu on an eula comp

[little charm]

ur right

[amber shell]

and qiqi

[haughty mural]

I think sucrose will be super valuable with EM share
I still haven't built her

[little charm]

how so

[noble elbow]

any information on how many particles shinobu generates?

[weary willow]

nope

[night imp]

eula shatters freeze effect so does superconduct. U get more benefits running lisa raiden with eula and running yelan on a different team

[glad harness]

Oh I was not talking about eula. I mean ei yelan kazu kuki team

[keen sinew]

none so far

[night imp]

ohh mhm it would need testing but sounds good, however would kuki mean a dps loss compared to other units

[tired berry]

Her low burst scaling makes me theorise two things: 1. She’s another 4 star with split scaling and okay-ish role 2. Dendro reactions buff Electro

[night imp]

u can run kokomi driver instead and do more dmg + more stable healing? idk tho

[tired berry]

This is the second Electro character with EM worked into their kits

I guess it’s a matter of waiting at this point

[amber shell]

i think its both dendro

[tardy cosmos]

yeah
all things point to dendro-electro interaction

[haughty mural]

Yeah I'm coping for dendro electro being good/at least based strongly on EM

[tired berry]

This could be another Eula/Yanfei patch LOL

[night imp]

watch them delay dendro to 4.0

[amber shell]

both yae and kuki em passives are quite useless.... dendro cmon

[glad harness]

it's either her or kokomi both are good.

[keen sinew]

I don;t even think dendro reactions would help with kuki kit

[night imp]

Yanfeis kit looks better than kuki

[haughty mural]

Literally feels that way lmao

[tired berry]

It’s 100% for Dendro, the question is how strong are the reactions

[tired berry]

Love her

[haughty mural]

If we can just dual react with burning I'll be happy

[night imp]

how is it for dendro like why would mhy release a dendro orientated support 5 patches before dendro is even announced

[real yoke]

so in the end we’re not getting kuki gameplay?

[tired berry]

Isn’t Dendro 2 patches away?

[amber shell]

so that theyd actually be useful (?)

[night imp]

Who lied to u

[tardy cosmos]

I'm thinking of a stacking mechanic
like dendro + electro give 1 stack of intensify
then after 4 stacka it explodes dealing lots of damage
so the quicker you can apply element the better your reward will be

[tired berry]

They’re setting up for Electro/Dendro reactions is my guess, by adding EM into kits

[little charm]

This has become dendro coping channel

[tardy cosmos]

traveler will be dendro

[night imp]

we have her cute idle ig

[amber shell]

LMAO

[glad harness]

not if you run her in overload with xiangling kazuha. As discussed earlier, depending on her icd, she can be very good.

[tired berry]

All leakers stop at 2.8, saying it’s 3.0 after

[tardy cosmos]

kuki is gud with triple em

[haughty mural]

Gonna happen when we have an EM scaling electro character lol

[tired berry]

When your fave characters are Electro with EM passive 🥲

[haughty mural]

Yae was same talk

[real yoke]

yes quite cute but it’ll be hard to tc without actual gameplay atleast blank came through

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-cute-gif-15584894

[amber shell]

yae or kuki?

[night imp]

we Will need to see+its all sus leaks and guesses

[tired berry]

True

I’ll be building a DPS Kuki for the fun of it, just to try

I just hope she’s running with a banner besides Itto

[amber shell]

prob kuki HAHAHA

[vestal jetty]

i've heard people suggest there will be a yoi and itto double rerun which is great

bc i love yoi and wouldn't mind rolling for her cons

[tardy cosmos]

I want it to be klee

[night imp]

thoma dps moment where he needs homa to barely take down the flower

[spare torrent]

Wait, can Iron Sting build stacks off field?

[haughty mural]

Same!

[tired berry]

Same! Between here and the sussy Xiao involvement, I’m excited!

[tardy cosmos]

klee gorou shinobu albedo

[amber shell]

itto will def have a rerun its gonna be with either yoi/klee thi

[night imp]

tf is that team

[keen sinew]

pretty sure they confirmed 2.8 is the last patch for inazuma

[glad harness]

Kuki. we don't know her icd yet. if she can overload once per 1.5 sec then it's pretty op. If she has standard ICD then she's ok.

[vestal jetty]

i wouldn't mind another klee rerun bc i failed her 50/50 on all of her previous banners LOL

[tardy cosmos]

yelan/xiao
itto/pyro

[night imp]

I WANT KLEE TOO

[tired berry]

Does he at least hit up to 5 digits? 🥲

[vestal jetty]

klee + kuki sounds pretty fun too

[amber shell]

yehyeh im sorry for asking a stupid question😭

[vestal jetty]

aoe overload all over the place

[glad harness]

the real EM scaling electro is actually Lisa.

[night imp]

with tony to stats ig

[tired berry]

Just please let it be Yoimiya and not Klee

[night imp]

hear me out, inmortal sunfire shinobu comp

[tired berry]

I’ll C6 Kuki

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/fireworks-shot-boom-fail-gif-13508978

[night imp]

please I want klee to take more time so shes guaranteed

[night imp]

Jean c2+bennett c6 + kuki + yelan/xingqiu, could be fun

[spare torrent]

Are you running Thoma/vv/C6 Bennett/Xingqiu? 'Cause his DPS is pretty solid there.

[night imp]

Could be idk, just saying that kuki looks like a thoma tier character which isnt very good

[amber shell]

maybe because shes a healer?

[glad harness]

I normally go EM instructor Thoma with Xingqiu Fischl Sucrose. quite good actually.

[night imp]

Even as a healer she should bring other utility into the table? Being an only healer with no other uses isnt good

[amber shell]

preparing for the long message of wumi

[tardy cosmos]

Overload team
Klee is built as usual. Because she's melee range, Shinobu's skill will hit
Shinobu is bult triple EM
Albedo and Gorou is Crystallize generator and off field damage to help Klee defend herself

[spare torrent]

She's a really good ToM holder.

[tropic hornet]

Hey guys do yall know what's the role of kuki according to the current leaks?

[keen sinew]

healer

[amber shell]

healer

[supple snow]

One more ping no gameplay leak☹️

[tardy cosmos]

healer, tenacity holder, off field dps / reaction trigger

[tropic hornet]

It's not a benny type healer ryt?

[night imp]

doesnt zl look better than gorou in that team

[tropic hornet]

Oh I see, pretty interesting

[keen sinew]

no

[supple snow]

Heals from E

[glad harness]

you might need anemo to vv pyro, enhancing overload dmg and counter the knockbacks with cc. kazuha is best

[tropic hornet]

What's her best cons so far according to you guys?

[tardy cosmos]

true

[spare torrent]

C2.

[tardy cosmos]

C2 > C6

[keen sinew]

it like barbruh and qiqi skill

[tropic hornet]

Long cool down

[haughty mural]

Nope

[dark geyser]

same :D

[haughty mural]

100% uptime

[supple snow]

100 uptime at c2

[glad harness]

Mayyyybe dendro reaction is something like self burn? for that c6 to make sense

[tropic hornet]

Oh that's pogggggg

[tardy cosmos]

no because here electro is the trigger because shinobu is built triple em
klee's pyro application is fast enough to enable this

[night imp]

its hutao mechanic type + qiqis healing and low dps, how good she will be depends a lot on icd and particle gen

[haughty mural]

Yeah go back and fix qiqi mhy, give me that 100% uptime

[supple snow]

Heals every 1.5s

[tropic hornet]

I mean electro teams were anyway missing a healer so she will be a really good addition in my opinion

[glad harness]

I mean reducing pyro res will significantly enhace both kuki and klee damage. since both are pyro

[tired berry]

Have we calculated yet how much she’d heal on average?

[keen sinew]

she has a 12s duration with 15s cd so only 3s to use again. with c2 she gets 2s added to her skill duration

[glad harness]

she is electro but overload is pyro

[supple snow]

Qiqi watching shinobu like

[spare torrent]

Yeah, Qiqi needs Sac Sword for 100% uptime.

[tropic hornet]

Damn so C2 just make it only 1 second lol really cool

[glad harness]

right now 850 EM gives me 20k overload in xiangling kazuha setup

[spare torrent]

And Qiqi's burst is so hard to charge 'cause it's 80 cost and she has no particle gen. lol

[keen sinew]

god damn kenki is back in abyss

[spare torrent]

I'm guessing Shinobu produces particles 'cause she doesn't have an energy con.

[supple snow]

Atleast it's 1 kenki

[glad harness]

my poor 9 12 12 qiqi...

getting replaced soon

[supple snow]

Damn

[tropic hornet]

Oh no PMA is back

[keen sinew]

yea floor 12 chamber 3 and 2 is dps check

[real yoke]

well by the very least, based off Blank’s drawings her kit looks a bit more clear

[tropic hornet]

I would say chamber 3 would be just torture

[glad harness]

oh s... Im actually more concerned about the vishaps

[real yoke]

still can’t really tell all the important things

[glad harness]

[haughty dew]

Any updates on Shinobu’s Numbers now that we got some information about the range of her E and some stuff about her Q?

[amber shell]

kuki would prob work with every team except freeze, tao, and geo?

[glad harness]

vape load tao can be nice..

[haughty dew]

Vishaps scare me

[glad harness]

oh wait I forgot. she heals

[shrewd crescent]

I'm just trying to farm for Kuki Hoyoverse

[supple snow]

Physical kuki 🗿

[amber shell]

oh my gosh 💀

[unborn ridge]

For Kuki, I have to farmer that she set of artifacts? and that she statistics to fetch?

[glad harness]

if only her heal is teamwide, it would be perfect for clam...

[tired berry]

So basically Kuki’s heal is press E and switch out?

[supple snow]

Yes

[glad harness]

yes

[tired berry]

My Yae will be happy tho

[supple snow]

Yae raiden kuki?

Add kazuha?

[glad harness]

yae yelan kuki kazu

[real yoke]

did you guys see the pictures of her kit?

[tired berry]

Yae Raiden Kuki Kokomi, I’ll replace my Diona/Sucrose for a bit

[supple snow]

Dual healer?

[haughty dew]

Kinda disappointed with her E range but it’s alright

[spare torrent]

If you build her for pure ATK and no HP, she won't heal much and might work with Tao if you wanna overvape. Also nerfs burst damage though.
She definitely works with Geo though. If don't have Zhongli, you can put her with Itto/Albedo/Gorou as a ToM user/crystal generator and her E uptime is good enough to keep you constantly shielded for Geo Res. If you're using Noelle/Yun Jin/Gorou, she could be a ToM flex slot too, but her heals are kinda redundant there.

[lean wing]

what does kuki do? like tldr

[supple snow]

Heal

[unborn ridge]

For Kuki, I have to farmer that she set of artifacts? and that she statistics to fetch?

[tired berry]

Kokomi is like my immortality giver 🥲

Xiao’s set would’ve been nice for Kuki if she could heal without switching out

[amber shell]

okay im sorry😭

[tired berry]

Even if it’s not BiS

[lean wing]

what does her skill burst etc do?

[hollow cairn]

I wanna put kuki on my itto team

[glad harness]

might as well not leveling up talents, or even level her up. The base heal is pretty significant at high level talents.

[amber shell]

her skill is bassically barbruh/qiqi

[rare abyss]

The fact that she has good NA's multiplier makes this funnier

[glad harness]

now imagine no particle gen too so she can match with babala and qiqi

[tired berry]

I’m just so worried they’ll nerf her NA

[shrewd crescent]

I have a set for that actually

[spare torrent]

You honestly could... Itto/Albedo/Gorou/Shinobu seems like the definite flex option if you're lacking Zhongli.

[hollow cairn]

I have zhongli but I'll still use her anyway

[spare torrent]

lol

[amber shell]

same here

shes gonna steal my zhonglis artis

[lean wing]

hope it doest give us electro aura

[spare torrent]

Doesn't. It would say that.

[lean wing]

who knows tbh might be lack of translate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/792820407215325235.gif?quality=lossless

[glad harness]

wait a sec her normals is actually decent. I assume fast hits since she's ninja!

[lean wing]

id like to test barbara E then kuki E

perma ec to self

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/955436001101221968.png?quality=lossless

[hollow cairn]

Doesn't qiqi have the fastest atk speed lol

[glad harness]

but qiqi is too small with short hands. her normals can hardly reach enemies

[hollow cairn]

ya I just mean it'd be funny if kuki is slower

Imagine being beat by a child

[amber shell]

qiqi punching the air rn

[glad harness]

Learned that the hard way after taking qiqi auto to 9...

[spare torrent]

For a sword user, I think.

[hollow cairn]

I meant that ya

[hollow belfry]

yelan got particle gen leaked hopefully kukis soon

inb4 0.67/s

[keen sinew]

damn kuki getting the short stick

[amber shell]

thats what i said when yelan gameplay showed up

[hollow cairn]

Kuki is taking long bc they're working hard to make her cracked

[glad harness]

hope we can get at least another drawing soon

[frosty plaza]

Shinobu's artifact main stat HP or EM

[amber shell]

hp/hp/hb for healer i think

[hollow cairn]

EM is more like the icing on the cake

[copper niche]

Guys i’m sorry if it’s a stupid question but do both Kuki’s E skill dmg and grass ring of sanctification dmg scale hp or one is atk and one hp?

Because if “skill dmg” scales hp it does quite a bit if dmg

[copper niche]

Hp

You should ignore em tbh

[hollow belfry]

should probably wait a while before deciding on artifacts

[hollow cairn]

cryo kuki

[alpine dock]

Yelan gets 4 particals. So kuki is gonna get 6. Trust

[tardy cosmos]

triple em

[hollow cairn]

Actually she's gonna get 10

[rare abyss]

One is atk the other is hp

[leaden shore]

Em is if you have, it's not bad but hp will always be better

[amber shell]

nah nah its gonna be 20

[copper niche]

Ok, Thanks mihoyo for making her entire kit dogshit not a single skill excluded

[fast rapids]

technically ridge watch domain can be kuki domain if you consider physical kuki

[hollow cairn]

So true

[copper niche]

They seem to love inazuma

[tardy cosmos]

check this post out guys
triple em gives you the best performance

[amber shell]

electro inazuma women

[rare abyss]

Cmon it's still beta they'll prob change it

[tardy cosmos]

dont discount triple em if you dont have sheet that prove otherwise

[copper niche]

I’ll never stop coping

[tardy cosmos]

triple em is #1 in damage and #2 in healing

[hollow cairn]

Either way I'm not farming for em main stat so much work

[glad harness]

it's either HP Electro crit or EM EM EM

I'm not going to farm 3 different tenacity setups..

[small turtle]

we still waiting for footage and confirmation

[copper niche]

[tardy cosmos]

sheet by @simple cypress

[plush mirage]

ol kuki sounds fun and i will probably build a set for it

but it's hard to make an overload kuki team without bennett

[hollow cairn]

Wait how is overload dmg calculated

[hollow belfry]

farm ascension and talents first

[plush mirage]

and with bennett in the team her healing niche is no longer too necessary

[tardy cosmos]

there's specific calculation
I use mingyulab's

[amber shell]

yoimiya, klee, yanfei?

[hollow cairn]

Oh word

[plush mirage]

while not all, yoimiya, klee and yanfei usually wants bennett to up their damage as well

[tardy cosmos]

https://genshin.mingyulab.com/game_system/elemental_reaction you can use this

[plush mirage]

you cant run kuki with hydro as she will do ec and the pyro will overload

which leaves those pyro chars team option to maybe use 2 geo + kuki + pyro carry

but the best 2 geo is uh...zhongli which kinda make healing little redundant as well

[fast rapids]

btw don't try to understand this

[tardy cosmos]

gorou albedo

[fast rapids]

You'll mald

just assume lvl 90 always

that's what kqm standards is anyways

[small turtle]

WDYM

its easy

[fast rapids]

[plush mirage]

hmm yeah i guess you can try running something like klee kuki kazuha and a 4 AP albedo

for non bennett option

[small turtle]

Ill do sheeting tomorrow if footage is out

[amber shell]

nice

[fast rapids]

reaction bonus is easy dk about level mult didn't try understanding it my brain just noped out

[small turtle]

Its easy though, it depends on either your character is below 60 or above 60

[fast rapids]

looks like just simple substitution my guess

[small turtle]

Egt is the hard part

[fast rapids]

thankfully none on srp

r-right

[glad harness]

if you guys want an overload team, kuki- xiangling-kazuha/venti/sucrose/sayu are the best setup. The last slot can be klee if overload knockback is not a concern. Otherwise Bennett, amber, thoma zhongli, albedo or another anemo is great.

Benett is best but there are other options too

[fast rapids]

footage will be out soon ™️

where'd tm emote go

placing my bets on sucrose

[plush mirage]

kitain xiangling to self battery?

[fast rapids]

xiangling doesn exactly benefit from the em there sadly

since she won't be ol proccer

unless shinobu has icd

wait still won't be the ol proccer yeah

[glad harness]

thoma with fav, amber with fav can battery her alright.

[lunar zealot]

I know you REALLY want triple EM to be the best, but this sheet is not asserting that at all. You dont know how fast her Q ticks, if it's as fast as Amber, HPDC deals slightly more there. If you have PJC, it would deal much more. Also, HPDC would be less comp specific. And you dont know how practical the overload build is. If her E range is like Qiqi's E range and she push enemies out with overload, you wont have fun

you are using this sheet saying it says triple EM is better, while it is absolutely not saying that

[glad harness]

yes, xiangling wont be benefits of EM. but kuki damage will be at her highest potential, and kuki provides tenacity/freedom sworn buff to xiangling

[amber shell]

sorry whats hpdc

[plush mirage]

klee sounds great if i have her

[fast rapids]

I was talking about kitain suggestion mb

[lunar zealot]

hp damge crit (hp electro crit)

[amber shell]

ah thank youu

[glad harness]

it's a better overall build. they means that healing is not much lower than a hp build, while reaction dmg is much higher.

[small turtle]

Xiangling applies pyro to fast

Its kuki that will OL

[plush mirage]

yeah we are making a kuki ol team

[glad harness]

depends on icd, kuki can be either ok or extremely broken for ol

[fast rapids]

nah even with 0 icd

[heady flower]

Kuki isn’t real

[plush mirage]

yeah i think her biggest competitor would be yae/lisa for ol

[small turtle]

You may be forgettinf her 1.5 second tick rate

[fast rapids]

xiangling is 1.1 iirc

let me check xianglinf pyro nado hits

[glad harness]

no one can beat lisa in overload. but lisa requires too much ER and her burst is fixed to one place. kuki is more comfortable to use

[plush mirage]

true

lisa does like 13 iirc, and shred defense for xl

[heady flower]

And easier to obtain constellations of

[tardy cosmos]

amber do 18 hits over 2s
say that kuki will do the same, with hpdc it's 2359 x 18 + 29312 = 71774
with triple em it's 844 x 18 + 74113 = 89305
and triple em gives you 31524 heal over 15s over hpdc's 27796

you're right about overload comp practicality though

[fast rapids]

11-12 pyronado hits

My connection is

[fast rapids]

c4 xiangling btw

[glad harness]

I really want to test the kuki burst with amber. really.

[fast rapids]

at most 7 procs of ol

[small turtle]

Did you account idc?

Icd*

[lunar zealot]

are you cherry picking a 2 sec ult instead of a 3.5 sec one on purpose?

[tardy cosmos]

let's see if over 3.5s shinobu do 31 hits (3.5/2.0 x 18)

with hpdc it's 2359 x 31 + 29312 = 102441
with triple em it's 844 x 31 + 74113 = 100277

[tardy cosmos]

see my post below yours

[lunar zealot]

yup

[fast rapids]

on first rot you can't exactly get down to 50% easily

[tardy cosmos]

you get 2200 damage over lower heals

[glad harness]

I thought the footage leak came, but it's just food leak..

[fast rapids]

at this point everything else will be leaked besides gameplay

[tardy cosmos]

overload comp is shitty to play with tho I agree

[lunar zealot]

once you have one 3.5 sec ult, it seems easy to keep every ult being a 3.5sec one

[plush mirage]

[glad harness]

why can't we have EM food? enough atk crit hp regen food already

[lunar zealot]

1 heal wont outheal the skill hp cost

[tardy cosmos]

if you do electrocharge comp tho, triple em can deal higher damage

[glad harness]

the point is both EM and HP builds won't do much damage that is relevant to whole team dps, if you factor out reactions. but with EM at least in reaction team her damage is decent.

[lunar zealot]

100k+ damage, and id say 150+ with really invested one, with const and pjc, on a 15 sec rotation is 1/4+ of a 40k dps team. I'd not call that low damage for a healer tom holder. Again, it'll all depend on how fast Q ticks

[calm ice]

They already forgor about kuki people

[icy granite]

Kuki irrelevant

[calm ice]

We gettin yelan infos but not kuki

Atleast her signature dish is getting leaked

[small turtle]

@tardy cosmos did you guys account icd of reactions?

[tardy cosmos]

yeah, 5x overload over 15s

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-24453448

[small turtle]

Ill wait for noir or my sheet before i do posting for proper comps

[lunar zealot]

i dont know how leakers operate but i think they cant juste select their character and play. they have to somehow "assemblate" the character with existing code or idk. that would explain why leaks take time to come, and requires work. If that is how it works, that's understandable they work on the 5* character first

[plush mirage]

i am thinking the kuki vids took a long time since they need to put some enemy in to show off kuki's ult

[small turtle]

Doing EC, OL,

[glad harness]

in an OL team, a level 90 with 800 EM can do 20k per overload (With xiangling and a anemo for VV). 5 overloads over 15s does not include the C4 and burst. Just overload dmg alone can out dmg any other build in an overload team. But in a non overload team, sure HP crit build is better, but not to the extent of justifying farming for good artifacts

[haughty mural]

These leak pings about food are going to give me a heart attack

[plush mirage]

yeah unless you are farming totm for fish/yae as well i don't think it's worth farming for adc totm

[supple snow]

Who can be the Pyro driver for overload?

[pastel brook]

https://twitter.com/daily_kukininja/status/1509557496377077761?s=20&t=SHxIFLVdp_ZC9JGs4KJ_Ow what backlash

Daily Kuki Shinobu 🎀 ! (@daily_kukininja)

(It’s from the leak discord server)
the info said that kuki Shinobu characters had been taken back to redesign because of the back lash they get :(((( we all love her at this design already😭😭 but we need to respect hoyoverse decision too ㅠ

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 3:45 PM

[supple snow]

Tf?

[lunar zealot]

fake xD

[glad harness]

xiangling or klee are best choices right now. maybe diluc.

[pastel brook]

prob

[haughty mural]

Pfffft when has mhy ever been like "oh no someone doesn't like it? Let's redo it"

[pastel brook]

what backlash even

[plush mirage]

you can never go wrong with benn xl kazuha kuki

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-understand-sad-cute-pout-aw-ok-i-understand-gif-17086328

[haughty mural]

That too. If any, it's way less than any other characters

[supple snow]

Xiangling is better be a Pyro burst dps, ain't got Klee(would yanfei work?) And finally my diluc might do something

[tardy cosmos]

what backlash?

[pastel brook]

yeah prob fake

[haughty dew]

Prob fake, Shinobu mains doesn’t have it in their leak section, nor does this server

[tardy cosmos]

the backlash is over kuki not getting gameplay vids

[calm ice]

waits faster 🏃💨

[pastel brook]

[glad harness]

[haughty mural]

Jokes on you I can wait faster than anyone

[haughty dew]

So true

[glad harness]

no need to redesign just give her no icd and we good

[supple snow]

I might not be the fastest but i can wait quite fast

[plush mirage]

if she has no icd we are gaming

[supple snow]

Enemies be flying around everywhere

Yanfei might be a good Pyro driver coz her range is quite good

[glad harness]

well, kuki ring might not have the best range

[shrewd crescent]

What's the topic of discussion

[supple snow]

😩never thought about that

[supple snow]

Overload dps

[calm ice]

Smaller than qiqi E range?

[supple snow]

Thats too small now

[glad harness]

xiangling is best because I can stay on kazuha to suck enemies back in. Venti is good option but I don't know if the ring can hit the black hole.

[simple cypress]

Oh no.. Kuki what happened to you

[shrewd crescent]

What's the build and assumptions

[supple snow]

Em em em iron sting iirc

Idk about set tho

[simple cypress]

Did team EM just get a lot more members

[glad harness]

4 instructors or 2 inst 2 Wanderers for best personal dmg. 4 tenacity for best team dmg

[plush mirage]

we can run sucrose over kaz as well as i dont think kuki needs a fav kazuha in the team

for more ol dmg

[glad harness]

sucrose is ok but her cc is quite lacking. good thing is the ring follows you so you can chase after enemies. rolling with sayu is a fun option to.

best option is a c1 sac kazuha.

[plush mirage]

hmm does the ring follows you if you jump or stay on the floor

[glad harness]

actually, can run both kazuha and sucrose. for even more dmg

[plush mirage]

based on leaks we are back to heavy enemies in abyss in 2.7 anyway

[glad harness]

OL is actually quite good against vishaps because of perma staggering

[last flare]

wouldn't Sacrificial sword be better than Iron sting? The healing from the EM seems pretty minimal, but ER is always nice, and CD reset is pretty much guaranteed with Shinobu's E uptime. E reset = more particles

[shrewd crescent]

I think we need to find out where em falls in the formula before jumping to conclusions right?

[last flare]

well, 75% of 165 is still only 123 more healing...I know it depends if there are other multipliers after that, but still seems pretty minimal

[modern junco]

So much Yelan info but where the kuki leaks

[shrewd crescent]

She never existed

[last flare]

no Electro love 😢

[modern junco]

Does that mean we don't exist?

[haughty mural]

I don't feel like I need her burst up though, it's just a nice thing

Some added dmg

[modern junco]

I just need her to do good healing and generate decent energy

[last flare]

well, Sac mostly for energy generation, because if Shinobu isn't a battery, everyone will call her bad 😢

[haughty mural]

Gorou

[last flare]

Gorou can't trigger Sac reliably...Shinobu can!

[plush mirage]

we need to know first of her particle generation to see if er is needed

with only a downtime of 3s in c0 and 0s in c2 we dont need the sac proc

[last flare]

unless she batteries another unit, like Beidou

àla Bennett

[plush mirage]

it's very likely her energy regen will be over time like other dots (zhongli/albedo/fish)

so she can't be a funneller like sac diona

[last flare]

but with Sac sword she could do both...well, only theorizing, of course

[plush mirage]

literally nothing will happen if you cast the skill a second time

there will be no immediate energy

[last flare]

I wouldn't be so sure, the E has an initial damage hit

[plush mirage]

so does zhongli

[last flare]

true, true

[plush mirage]

not saying that it's impossible ofc

but don't think it's likely

[last flare]

let me have some hopium ^^

[median wagon]

I think like 1 particle per hit

[woven locust]

[tiny sedge]

Is sacrificial weapon work if switch out from Kuki ? Or is she need to be active

[woven locust]

yelan further info like icd particle arrived and still no kuki footage

[tiny sedge]

[last flare]

mmmh, I checked, the passive doesn't work when the character is off-field, which is a shame

only good thing is that on a high refinement Sac sword, just waiting for the Ring's first proc (1.5 seconds) gives a pretty high chance of triggering the passive, but yeah...

[orchid folio]

where kuki

[forest mulch]

Shinobu gameplay

https://twitter.com/nitrog0d/status/1509560076524212224?s=21

nitro (@nitrog0d)

[kuki shinobu leak warning because people get mad]
my beta tester @WaffelGI just sent me this.. concerned.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 3:55 PM

[shrewd crescent]

https://twitter.com/genshinblank/status/1509570130933649411?s=21&t=Z9pbKIQqeNdAo4umOJLZBg

BLANK  (@genshinBLANK)

Kuki Shinobu's Second Idle Animation.

The first image is stills from it and the second is the line of movement of the arm.

#GenshinImpact #原神

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 4:35 PM

[forest mulch]

|| ||

[shrewd crescent]

[last flare]

and E + a couple normal attacks + second tick is guaranteed to proc the passive at this point

also, multiples ennemies give even more proc chance, so overall, I wouldn't be too worried about Sac passive proccing...but it's not as easy as I thought

[median wagon]

So she pull out a Kunai out of nowhere, do some trick and put it back?

Pog

[calm ice]

STOP FINGERING OUR 🍪

[tardy cosmos]

🍪 🥷

[median wagon]

At this rate, I bet that the first time we will see 🍪 🥷 gameplay is on 2.7 livestream

[calm ice]

I'm not even gonna be surprised

This channel is just us kuki kopers, coping on our 🍪

[warped saddle]

I was so hopeful when I opened my phone and saw notifications for this server...just for it not to be kuki gameplay

[calm ice]

Atleast we saw her signature dish

[tardy cosmos]

the ninja can't be seen

good ninja

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/aight-imma-head-out-im-out-this-bitch-bye-gif-15194343

[noble elbow]

killing myself

[fringe perch]

wait why isnt kuki's gameplay not shown

[shrewd crescent]

[noble elbow]

i honest to god want to know how they got yelan but not shinobu
because you'd think they'd keep the server up long enough for both, right? so idgi

[haughty mural]

We're getting handdrawn animation still frames of her before gameplay footage

[fringe perch]

i found one from tiktok but idk if its real or nah

[haughty mural]

Everything on the internet is real

[fringe perch]

I only got the mask animation

Looks like soemone sent it already

[calm ice]

Oh yeah. That one is real

[subtle finch]

How is there still no gameplay

[orchid folio]

it's a crime

[haughty mural]

I think there's controversy because she's just too cute

[glossy reef]

Because leakers are so shocked that Shinobu is so OP that they don't wanna tell us

At least, I want to believe that's why

[haughty mural]

Nah it is weird.. And i don't like how there's not even an update lol they know we're waiting. Ah well. Time for another nap until more leaks

[calm ice]

Ult procs 10x per second I believe

[warped saddle]

Or she just too cute...and all leakers passed away from cuteness overload

[shrewd crescent]

I'm slowly giving up man

[calm ice]

That's why there's still no gameplay, they don't want us to know

[tardy cosmos]

any source?

[shrewd crescent]

Source: I'm coping

[haughty mural]

They're too busy watching her idle

[calm ice]

Trust me bro. Got it from TikTok

[tardy cosmos]

lol
I want to see what kind of account share leak footage

[tawdry bone]

its 7 hits above 50% hp and 13 below 50%

[subtle finch]

Source?

What about particles and icd

[tawdry bone]

rng proc 1 particle per tick, idk icd yet

[orchid folio]

that could be good

[subtle finch]

So as battery theres hope at least

[supple snow]

You are beta tester?

[subtle finch]

Everything else just looks pitiful

[last flare]

a Battery/healer is an interesting concept, and she may use ToM well

[median wagon]

Oh beta tester lord pls bless us
And remember to censor ur UID

[subtle finch]

but meanwhile they gave yelan the entire damn world and more...

[median wagon]

[last flare]

seems all the love is going toward Yelan rn, maybe we'll get more info in a couple days

[subtle finch]

it jsut feels extremely shit to be a kuki fan rn with her looking super undertuned meanwhile yelan looking overtuned asf

[median wagon]

Yelan got an entire channel
And we are just a thread

[tawdry bone]

sry for small text, had to zoom out far to get the whole thing in 1 picture
source is shinobu mains if you want to look for yourself

[tardy cosmos]

ah yeah

totally em build then

[tiny sedge]

I think it is an initial hit, but normal attack is not important, maybe Favonius can be better if she is crit rate

[tardy cosmos]

13 hits under 50% hp is scuffed

[subtle finch]

its extremely sucffed

I only get her doing 48k DPR before buffs with 7 ult ticks 10 E ticks and 3 c4

its so depressing to look at

[tardy cosmos]

noir, what about triple em

overload comp

[subtle finch]

i was excited to use her in EC teams.

not for overload.

[shrewd crescent]

[tawdry bone]

I'm really underwhelmed with her kit to be honest

[last flare]

not me

[orchid folio]

yeah I don't know where I'd use her with these scalings

[shrewd crescent]

I was expecting it from the beginning

[last flare]

prolly full support/battery build with ToM

[shrewd crescent]

I knew something like this would happen. At least I'm insane enough to still build her as dps as possible

[subtle finch]

just gonna hope she gets buffed

[tardy cosmos]

45% skill mod

[spare torrent]

Wait. Do we have particle gen?

[simple cypress]

expect disappointment and you wont be disappointed

[shrewd crescent]

I'm not. Yelan getting all the buffs

[last flare]

we miss half the info and people already calling for a buff

[orchid folio]

I'll still R5 PJC for her

[shrewd crescent]

Wise words from a wise god

[subtle finch]

the info was literally posted above

[torpid oak]

[last flare]

if you understand what is "3 hilichurls away", please enlighten me

[tardy cosmos]

around aloy area

[last flare]

also, I suspected she wouldn't be a damage dealer in the first place

[tardy cosmos]

aloy burst area

[last flare]

for her E?

[subtle finch]

problem is lack of damage on top of lack of utility

[torpid oak]

Think of 3 Hilichurls and put them next to each other in your head

[tardy cosmos]

for q

[simple cypress]

she could at least probably shred non electro shields

[alpine dock]

Do not ask if someone is a beta tester

[last flare]

the hillichurl metric is for her E, not her Q

[tardy cosmos]

ehhh hmmm

sorry I misread

[shrewd crescent]

Weren't we all expecting this?

[tardy cosmos]

isnt 3 hilichurls away wide? like pyronadi

[tawdry bone]

tbh idk what that means either and I was there while he was explaining it

[simple cypress]

i think we all expected lack of damage, but lack of utility as well hurts

[subtle finch]

is it ok for her to be underwhelming as fuck just cuz "we expected it"?

[torpid oak]

Yeah, but I was hoping that she would be more , guess I can cope for buffs now

[last flare]

if it acts like Qiqi's E but 3 hillichurls-wide, then it's pretty nice

[tiny sedge]

She is seem to be same power level as Thoma ? Some basic support but low damage

[shrewd crescent]

Obviously not. I just expected it because I had no faith in Hoyoverse

I still question how they made Yelan and Kuki

Seriously.

[tardy cosmos]

yelan pls share some damage to kuki

[subtle finch]

just feels grimy to me from mihoyo seeing how insanely overtuned yelan looks yet how undertuned kuki looks

its baffling to me

[last flare]

Fishl-level of battery + ToM + healing seems good enough for me

[torpid oak]

Completely opposite ends of the spectrum

[tardy cosmos]

or at least make the skill damage scales off hp

[shrewd crescent]

Im sure actually that's a lie. I don't expect any buffs in the future but I hope for some

[alpine dock]

Agreed

[tawdry bone]

yeah it really feels like mhy have 2 different teams working on characters

which is probably the case

but one is clearly a lot better than the other

[alpine dock]

Damage should have never been expected. You want versatility

[shrewd crescent]

She'll be fine when dendro comes out

[simple cypress]

mhy has two different teams working on kuki's skill and burst

[last flare]

exactly, role-consolidation...and her damage seems to be low but not neglectible, unlike Diona for example

[tardy cosmos]

if skill radius is high maybe it can be good for idk, xiao

[last flare]

Beidou

[orchid folio]

yeah she has potential value for xiao

[subtle finch]

if she could get decent clam damage I would be happy

[alpine dock]

I hope it's proc is not c6 beidou range

[subtle finch]

but she does not.

[tardy cosmos]

YELAN CAN GATHER SMALL ENIES

[upbeat acorn]

Her constellations seem so underwhelming don't they? All she can offer is low damage and totm buff?

[tardy cosmos]

what is this mhy

why yelan can do everything

[simple cypress]

really?? i always thought it made sense to make hydro able to cc

[tardy cosmos]

and kuki cant do anything

[subtle finch]

shes hydro cc too?

[alpine dock]

5 star liyue vs 4 star inazuma

[tardy cosmos]

https://twitter.com/Ubatcha1/status/1509583760915841024?t=0ERz5eGLbr8z7AOCj5wNHQ&s=19

UBatcha (@Ubatcha1)

Another Update to this -

When hydro is applied at the end (which does deal dmg btw), it's a small "explosion" of sorts meaning light enemies get knocked towards you.

Mitachurls just get staggered whereas Hilichurls actually get hit and knocked towards you

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Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 5:29 PM

[median wagon]

At this point, i just need to see her face

[simple cypress]

yelan will cc enemies right into kuki's small range

[tawdry bone]

so she has grouping

lmfao

[subtle finch]

already have

[tardy cosmos]

what cant yelan do

[torpid oak]

Is she their golden child or something?

[green dagger]

hug me

[placid pine]

She is liyue an and a female 5* featured

[last flare]

I don't get why people are comparing characters...well, I get it, but I'm more in the mindset of making the most of the characters I like

[placid pine]

So ig shed get all the love...

[glossy reef]

Their golden CHILDE?

[simple cypress]

having a hydro cc makes so much sense, especially for ec

[subtle finch]

because it feels extremely bad for the character you were excited to to look extremely undertuned while the other character in the same patch looks overtuned as fuck.

[last flare]

because otherwise, I would stick to any National variation

[tardy cosmos]

hydro bow supremacy

[last flare]

sorry, I don't see it that way

[glossy reef]

It all makes sense now.

[torpid oak]

We’re comparing because of how obvious the power difference and attention that each character got is

[last flare]

I'm not wanting MY character to be meta

[subtle finch]

just because you dont doesnt make our feelings invalid.

[last flare]

first, I'm not saying that, second, right back at you

[tardy cosmos]

remembers yae current outrage

[placid pine]

Idk bcs I got 950k dpr on yelan ONLY idk how to make of that

[glossy reef]

Shinobu out here getting the Kujou Sara treatment but worse huh

[tardy cosmos]

over 20s?

[median wagon]

We dont need that
But saw nothing on Shinobu leak and Yelan is doing everything hurt me

[green dagger]

why is being "meta" a bad thing tho?

[last flare]

it is not a bad thing

[shrewd crescent]

I agree and I want to do the same. Try and make the most of characters I like but the last time I tried I got Thoma'd. It just sucks seeing something similar happen again. Especially when there's another character that's getting so idk how to describe it. I'm not necessarily saying Kuki is bad or not worth using at all but seeing this is just so disheartening

[glad harness]

I need a cc electro char...

[green dagger]

this is not League where "meta" character get their numbers nerfed after release

[subtle finch]

dude this is a theorycrafting channel

[torpid oak]

I think a fitting word would be “shafted” or “ignored”

[placid pine]

Haven't made an actual rot I just slapped frequency of using this and that

[last flare]

I see, sorry, I'll be leaving now

[spare torrent]

Sorry, do we have particle gen or not?

Chat's moving so fast.

[alpine dock]

I think kuki will be fine. But I can't tell for sure until we see gameplay

[runic matrix]

4 per e

[median wagon]

And we dont have anything to theorycraft except scaling
This is fineee

[subtle finch]

wait whered that come from?

[tawdry bone]

uba

[runic matrix]

uba tweet

[subtle finch]

i just heard chance of 1 per E hit but not the rng

[alpine dock]

No need to leave

[spare torrent]

Oh.

[green dagger]

I think he means Kuki

[subtle finch]

yes I mean Kuki

[spare torrent]

Yes, I mean Shinobu.

In the Shinobu thread.

[runic matrix]

mb

[placid pine]

Kuki not getting content AT ALL

[plush mirage]

Just be patient

[runic matrix]

still no footage so we can't tell

[tardy cosmos]

40 particle per minutes?

[glossy reef]

I will not settle for Mihoyo slandering Shinobu like this

[last flare]

well, I'm more interested in seeing ideas to make a character better than lament on how weak they are, but that's just me

[subtle finch]

huh?

[green dagger]

I mean, we got like 2 days of leaks still

[tardy cosmos]

oh I thought you said guaranteed 1 particle per skill hit

[median wagon]

I think the same with every other DoT skill
1 per hit like Zhongli,..

[placid pine]

I mean unlike previous we had more than this

[calm ice]

Kuki best battery?

[subtle finch]

no I said we've heard 1 per proc but dont know what the chance is

[calm ice]

[alpine dock]

I'm the same too. Just hard with no video on how they work. I do think ppl are overreacting right now cause they see yelan tho

[green dagger]

maybe she is being harder to get footage for some reason? idk

[runic matrix]

qiqi crying in the corner

[shrewd crescent]

I'm about to feel disappointed father vibes in relation to Kuki

[plush mirage]

Mhy changed the beta kit so leakers need to work more afaik

[tardy cosmos]

ppl wont get sad for a long time, by tomorrow ppl will do sheet and see numbers and maybe can be happy

[subtle finch]

I would be upset even if I never saw Yelan

[calm ice]

Best battery than can hold ToTM?

POG

[simple cypress]

it's not mutually exclusive... both are happening

[plush mirage]

So just wait till leakers had time for kuki

[calm ice]

And a healer as well?

[subtle finch]

Hoping the particle generation is good

[last flare]

finger crossed

[calm ice]

Double POG

[green dagger]

bruh, I was a Yoimiya believer in the patch they only touched on Ayaka in the beta
I dont even care anymore

[spare torrent]

Maybe I should just build her with Amenoma and ATK/Electro/Crit since her heals aren't really that important for what I wanna do.

[runic matrix]

i saw some calcs today and dmg was low but i'm still pretty hyped

[placid pine]

Balance nowhere to be found

[tardy cosmos]

we're currently only seeing concerning thinga from shinobu's kit

as the good thing shows up some optimism will follow

[spare torrent]

And she'll already be getting 44% HP from her ascension stat and ToM.

[idle turret]

Isn't that Yelan's?

[median wagon]

Even 1 tweet about Kuki can make me happy now

[last flare]

well, I'm happy for Yelan enjoyers, I just want to make my Shinobu as great as she can be, like I did with my Thoma, my Qiqi, my Barbruh, etc, etc

[shrewd crescent]

I was the same but with Thoma. I let my guard down

[runic matrix]

yeah i corrected myself mb

[calm ice]

I thought uba tweeted about kuki

[simple cypress]

I think something like HP Electro Crit might be better.. unless you dont intend on using her burst at all

[shrewd crescent]

Time to bring out the physical kuki

[spare torrent]

No. I'm still planning to use her with Phys Zhongli.

[shrewd crescent]

Kenjutsu Kuki Comp with Favonia

[shrewd crescent]

Oh that's my idea for what I'm planning to do

[spare torrent]

She's the best ToM user and she makes the rotations super smooth too.

[median wagon]

I need 1 more

[last flare]

anyway, since Shinobu gets so many buffs when under 50% HP, she really, really don't want to stick on the field

[glossy reef]

I'm just trying to figure out how to build DPS Shinobu

[runic matrix]

btw her healing is for active char or team?

[spare torrent]

[subtle finch]

only active character

[last flare]

active character only

[simple cypress]

prob hp electro crit
or join the EM cult and overload everything

[runic matrix]

fair enough ig

[median wagon]

So..
Do I need to bring her down to 50 in the abyss

[last flare]

think Barbara or Qiq's E

[last flare]

probably, but my guess is that she won't be meta

[glossy reef]

Man I hate Overloaded, especially for a sword user who has 1 less attack than the others

[spare torrent]

I'm sure I'll be able to clear Abyss with my Phys Zhongli comp using her.

[glossy reef]

Oh yeah for those that may not have noticed, Shinobu is the only sword wielder in the entire game to have 4 attacks. Everyone else has 5.

[median wagon]

Everything is meta if you consumed enough copium

[subtle finch]

personally hoping they buff her healing enough to make clam viable on her

[glossy reef]

Even Xingqiu and Bennett have 5

[subtle finch]

since they didnt give her any type of buffing capabiltiies

[last flare]

I don't think there is any chance for that

[subtle finch]

I just don't want her to be a sizeable dps loss on any team I put her in.

[idle turret]

Crossing my fingers it's a typo

[subtle finch]

which right now I dont see how she wont be

[calm ice]

How much healing can she do on average?

[tardy cosmos]

mhy really should be talking about dendro reactions now so that we can judge if em-based electro character is not copium

[last flare]

we're talking 3000-4000 healing per tick on a support build, here

[simple cypress]

i'd even just be satisfied if they removed the 1/2 hp mechanic and made that bonus passive up all the time

[calm ice]

Hmmm 4k healing per tick

[subtle finch]

what about increasing the interval so she can at least get 3 heals inside clam

[torpid oak]

Is that a bad thing?

[subtle finch]

i dont think that would be reasonable

unreasonable*

i think it would be reasonable

[median wagon]

Maybe forget that she is a healer and build off field DPS

[subtle finch]

they prob wont do it but they wouldve been a lot better

[median wagon]

Kukipium right now

[last flare]

I think she was clearly designed with ToM in mind, not Clam. Sorry

[subtle finch]

her dmg looks rlly bad tho

[tardy cosmos]

I'm thinking the same

[tired berry]

Her NA don’t look too bad, but E and Q so far aren’t promising (damage)

[subtle finch]

I agree but I am of the opinion that TOTM isn't enough

[spare torrent]

I mean, she was clearly designed to make Phys Zhongli/Yun Jin superconduct saner.

[tardy cosmos]

her CA is around 2/3 of Keqing's CA

[median wagon]

I dont think u would use NA though

[last flare]

imho, her value will depend on how good of a battery she is. I do think a lot of people are overlooking the importance of getting a battery in their team

[tired berry]

I use Yae’s NA lol, I probably would

[orchid folio]

has anyone tried an atk based build on her

I guess not worth

[shrewd crescent]

Just change her e scaling to hp completely Hoyoverse

[tardy cosmos]

this

[last flare]

battery/healer/ToM is good role consolidation, but I'm afraid it means she's mostly a support, not a damage dealer...so yeah, she's no Jean, more like a mix between Kokomi and Fishl

[subtle finch]

i agree but even then it's gonna be extremely hard to beat out fischl in terms of energy generation, with fischl also being able to bring the same utility of TOTM if it's needed, so unless you just really need the healing I can't think of a way to justify her rn. Which is fine, but imo there's no reason she shouldn't have had at least some type of small/mid-sized buff or debuff in her kit

[subtle finch]

Kokomi gets to lean on the crutch of ttds though, and she actually does decent damage

[orchid folio]

Her C6 has got to go

[subtle finch]

^

[orchid folio]

replace that with something good and she'll be fine

[tardy cosmos]

shinobu's C1 is useless

[idle turret]

With such energy hungry characters lately, we could REALLY use some decent particle gen fr

[shrewd crescent]

But dendro bro