kuki-theorycrafting

[tiny sedge]

I do not think Shinobu heal will be worse from Barbara/Qiqi overall ? It is always uptime and tick is very fast

It is also more of reliable ToM than Qiqi

[glossy reef]

According to the wiki, 7.2% Max HP + 847.47 compared to 5.4% Max HP + 636 on Shinobu's end at talent level 10

[small turtle]

at c0, my sheet with 4 pc maiden provides active character 38k heals with hydro resonance

[glossy reef]

Continuous generation specifically

[tiny sedge]

Qiqi/Barbara can do heal for whole team though, but usually think of them as unnecessary amount

[glossy reef]

Well it seems to have constant uptime if you have a constellation, otherwise it's 12s uptime to 15s cooldown

[supple plover]

Have y'all thought out which comps she'd be good in

[subtle finch]

almsot any

[tiny sedge]

It is same uptime as a bennett circle, almost full uptime, but it is not in circle only

[subtle finch]

raiden anti national is a clear one

[supple plover]

Who are you gonna substitute

[subtle finch]

xinqiu

[supple plover]

Bennett, kuki, kazuha and Raiden?

But why

[tiny sedge]

Did ideas for full EM overload and also taser option where there has no Kokomi

[subtle finch]

wait

im in the wrogn chanel

[supple plover]

Bruh you're in the wrong thread

[subtle finch]

i thought this was yelan

LOL

[supple plover]

[supple snow]

[glossy reef]

This may sound heretical
But I intended to build Shinobu as a DPS

And I'm currently trying to deduce how to pull this off 🤔

[supple plover]

I was like wtf, how almost any comp

[glad harness]

Xiao too

[tiny sedge]

It is hard to know if it is good for electro damage because burst is not known

But she is easy for superconduct with a fast electro if it is physical

[glossy reef]

I built Beidou DPS, and it seems the big character building sheet says sub-DPS, so I'm trying my hand at making a healer dethrone Celestia and topple the gods next

[real yoke]

they really keeping us waiting with this gameplay

[glossy reef]

I know right?
I wonder what Mihoyo did to make them take so long

I noticed they cut out all of the UI, so, they must've included a lot more identifiable markings

[tiny sedge]

I think it is nice to have a cryo sub dps for a superconduct, no need a healer cryo like Diona

[amber plover]

She's definitely great for Eula due to the role compression

[supple plover]

For dendro archon, they're gonna change stuff so hard that we won't be able to see her gameplay leaks

[glossy reef]

As long as she isn't a child model, I'm fine with that

[real yoke]

most likely getting close to sumeru time they probably wanna cut down on leakers before then but we’ll see

[amber plover]

May potentially be better than Zhongli for Dugtrio Itto teams too

[tiny sedge]

I hope dendro archon is child it is cute

[calm ice]

Still no kuki footage?

[supple plover]

You'll say this, but she'll be meta and then you'll her lol

[real yoke]

she likely will be but i’m hoping she’s not as well

[real yoke]

no no

[glossy reef]

Oh I'm pulling her regardless, I want to get all the archons, but I will be very sad if they make her a child model

[amber plover]

I don't like child model characters but we can expect then to do a good job with Kusanali
She's an archon and all

[main bay]

The problem with eula is then u gotta battery her other ways and diona is also the best battery for her

[supple plover]

Same

[real yoke]

yeh especially a new element

[tiny sedge]

I want one child archon... Fontaine, Natlan, Sneznhaya can all be other girl model

[real yoke]

i just don’t know if i wanna waste primos on a kid will have to see how her kit looks

[amber plover]

Favonius Rosaria is amazing and I vastly prefer her to Diona most of the time since she can actually contribute to team DPS too

[real yoke]

besides that i already know their intentions aren’t good with making her a child model but that’s another topic

[main bay]

Fav rosa usually runs triple cryo though no

[glossy reef]

So Kuki Theorists, what is so far the best way to go about a DPS Shinobu?

We thinking physical, electro?

[main bay]

I like rosa too

[glossy reef]

That's exactly why I don't like the child models in this game

[real yoke]

electro doesn’t seem bad tbh

[amber plover]

Not necessarily

!!diano

[fast rapids]

no idea on numbers yet

[real yoke]

i haven’t heard of physical yet

[glossy reef]

Because I got Aquila Favonia, so, it'd be nice to somehow use that

[tiny sedge]

Why is it dislike child character so much 😦

[fast rapids]

you havent seen my messages

[real yoke]

akane was doing some earlier calcs and didn’t look bad

[fast rapids]

[main bay]

Atm im liking kuki for a electro backline duo with beidou and also for xiao

[amber plover]

I really hope she has good energy gen so she can pair with Beidou or Yae

[main bay]

Same

[real yoke]

i like the kids, especially diona is my favorite i just wouldn’t pull for a child model cause primos are expensive and i pull for people i like (exception being kazuha)

[shrewd crescent]

Kenjutsu Kuki: Rosaria, Kuki other irrelevant characters

[main bay]

If her energy is bad shell get stuck in mono electro

[real yoke]

true but is her burst even worth the damage that you need regen

[tiny sedge]

Why is model so important

[glossy reef]

I just think DPS healer would be fun, but all the other healers I don't like playstyle

I don't like catalyst or bows, so that eliminates 90% of them

[supple plover]

Seems like you're just assuming things

[tiny sedge]

I dislike Kazuha and not going to pull him

[amber plover]

Another electro char that is a slave to Fischl lmao

[main bay]

Once we see how it works we will know. Another cleanse options is always welcome

[real yoke]

because i dont really like pulling for kid models, i don’t dislike them

[hollow cairn]

I love dps healers that's why I built Jean dps

[supple plover]

Anyways, dendro archon is kinda off topic

[shrewd crescent]

You kind homo Sapien are cultured

[main bay]

Speaking of dendro though. Im 100% convinced noe that kuki was intended to be dendro but got reworked

[real yoke]

well considering this game’s intended audience and the fact that the only playable children are little girls i’m just looking at it how it is.

[real yoke]

why

[supple plover]

Seems like a you problem

[real yoke]

cut the attitude you’re the one who started speaking to me

[main bay]

The design, the naming of the moves, grass field, grass circle. Why would a grass cleaning ritual do electro damage

[supple plover]

Lol
Anyways, it's off topic

[shrewd crescent]

Weed is a type of grass

[supple plover]

I'm just waiting for video leak

[shrewd crescent]

[real yoke]

well i guess i see it now

[shrewd crescent]

And her weapon is an Urumi

[little charm]

wait huh she's not a kid right

[torpid oak]

You have a point, but Naku weeds in Genshin are still very much associated with Electro

[shrewd crescent]

Combine that with the info we gave with dendro (vines keeping you away, dendro poison field)

Wait.

[glossy reef]

If Shinobu was a kid I would be genuinely surprised considering her extensive history

[hollow cairn]

Maybe she's just meant to have good synergy with dendro charas, hence her em passive (might have to do w reaction)

[shrewd crescent]

What if her ult is like the dendro slime poison field

[little charm]

dendro 🧐

[real yoke]

but she’s also related to the shrine right? maybe that had some influence idk, i think there were some leaks about her maybe being dendro cant rmm

[main bay]

Yea true. Thought tbf most ninja weapons were born of gardening tools

[torpid oak]

Yeah, she’s been a shrine maiden, studied law, & joined a gang to rework it into a business, no way she’s a kid

[little charm]

well no one knows for sure what the q does

[glossy reef]

Q is burst, right?

[real yoke]

yeh i don’t see it either what a busy girl

[real yoke]

yeh

[shrewd crescent]

Should have used shuriken or kunai but nope

It's so weird

Maybe she has relatives in Sumeru

[real yoke]

maybe

[shrewd crescent]

Like they live there and aren't from sumeru

[torpid oak]

She might’ve also traveled there considering her already extensive history

[hollow cairn]

Collei

[real yoke]

oop

[main bay]

I mean they can write it to make sense, but it just feels like they finessed her because dendro wasnt ready when they thought it would be

[glossy reef]

I feel like her burst should last longer

Like I don't know any character who has a 2s burst duration that isn't like "instant damage"

[torpid oak]

Amber

[little charm]

we don't know what it does

[real yoke]

speaking of which it’s almost been 2 years what is going on

[shrewd crescent]

Cousin. Worst case scenario: doppelganger

[meager valve]

tfw kuki doesn't get her own thread and instead get a subthread

[glossy reef]

And we all know how Amber performs

[shrewd crescent]

Amber

[little charm]

Not until we see gameplay with mobs

[shrewd crescent]

[main bay]

I asked earlier and someone mentioned amber based on duration, thought idk how the wording is for amber

[real yoke]

ik i was surprised but she is a 4 star

[torpid oak]

They probably wanna release it with Sumeru to reach peak hype for the region

[torpid oak]

That’s more to do with her scaling than how her burst works tbh

[real yoke]

mmhmm imagine 3.0 tall lady + new element and new region mega hype

[amber plover]

I'm fully convinced they're setting up Electro with Dendro for some reason
Both Yae and Kuki having an EM scaling passive on their DoT abilities is very sus

[hollow cairn]

I'm sayin

[main bay]

It’s probably difficult to add a new element with meaningful reactions that doesnt break anything already existing

Ill give them the benefit of the doubt

[glossy reef]

Is it finally time for electro to shine down?

[lunar zealot]

hi, so who s hyped for this 150k+burst (if Q hits as fast as Amber's Q) with constell, pjc, and good subs, that can heal, hold totm and gets in 15sec rotation?

[torpid oak]

All that, + the Dendro Archon and an upcoming Anniversary with top up bonus reset

[main bay]

Alternate theory, they are reworking electrocharged which tbh is kind of a mess

[glossy reef]

I can hope, I need my DPS Shinobu

[meager valve]

4 stars like xq or bennet can carry a team in certain comps, your point?

[real yoke]

ik im just saying she’s the 4 star and that’s prob why she got a thread

[amber plover]

I could totally see them reworking some reactions with the arrival of Dendro
Hopefully?

[meager valve]

don't judge a unit by rariety, all units deserve equal TCing

[shrewd crescent]

I appreciate the reference

[torpid oak]

Essentially replicating everything Raiden had going for her and more if they pull it off right

[real yoke]

i never said she was bad

[main bay]

Theres precedent with swirl

[meager valve]

on the other hand, we might be coping

[hollow cairn]

Please dendro + geo reaction that isn't crystallize I am on my knees

[lone cosmos]

interesting, could also be looking forward to synergy. but that's usually considered

[lunar zealot]

not reworked, buffed

[main bay]

Crystallate take or leave it

[amber plover]

It was cope with just Yae's EM passive but now it definitely feels like they're setting up for something

[real yoke]

that’s true that’ll mean they start making the archons have good early cons cause that’s why Raiden sold so well

[shrewd crescent]

"Geo reactions are typical inert." There's your answer

[glossy reef]

What's the best con on Raiden? C2?

[torpid oak]

We can definitely assume that’s likely for Kusanali

[spare torrent]

Yes.

[hollow cairn]

It's fine I only need geo + geo

[meager valve]

worse, we'd have no reaction whatsoever and both auras could coexist

[real yoke]

yeah and then C3 is another 5-10 dmg increase iirc. once she reaches C3 she’s basically max potential

[main bay]

Right. Well yea, they could buff EC and change the way ownership works and it would a supr reliable option

[real yoke]

but C2 is def the biggest increase

[glossy reef]

Man I got C2 her first banner, I should go back to building her

[dark geyser]

shinobu + qiqi ? 🤔

[real yoke]

i wonder if they’ll do another support/dps for her or just go full support like venti

[glossy reef]

I'm feeling full support so that way people pulling her can mess with the Dendro reactions more

[main bay]

Ull be fighting raiden puppet for 200 years for real

[torpid oak]

She’ll probably do {INSERT DENDRO’S NICHE} the best out of all Dendro characters + some solid damage is my bet

[lunar zealot]

qiqi deals now

[real yoke]

that’s true by 3.1 if she releases then we may only have 1-2 dendro characters so more people will pull for anything dendro

[dark geyser]

if the boss hp wont go down, then mine shall not too! /j

[main bay]

Would u believe i threw away a venti account to reroll for Qiqi at launch. And after 3 reruns, hes still avoided me

[glossy reef]

Beating the Shogun by going through the boss fight in real time just like Ei

[meager valve]

either that or the most consistent dendro applicator imaginable
dendro XQ lets go

[hollow cairn]

Dendro archon w alternate sprint that looks like dendro slimes disguising themselves as flowers

[lunar zealot]

well, i wouldnt advise doing qiqi+shinobu. but qiqi can deal with the kokomi set, it even deals physical, and both supraconduct

[real yoke]

speaking of raiden puppet can’t wait to be in 4.3 fighting her on floor 12

[spare torrent]

Shinobu+C6 Barbara.

[glossy reef]

Shinobu + C6 Barbara + C6 Sayu + Qiqi

Death is not an option.

[meager valve]

can't wait to fight 2 childes on update 4.8 on floor 12

[hollow cairn]

children

[glossy reef]

overlapping "THIS OPPORTUNITY IS QUITE HARD TO COME BY"

[real yoke]

all 3 phases at the same time

[dark geyser]

ehh sayu can be dps tho

[hollow cairn]

tbh childe in abyss would be fun I love bullying his ass

[glossy reef]

Well I was saying C6 because of the whole "EM gives you like 6000 more healing"

[real yoke]

sayu can be a pretty good phy dps

[meager valve]

3 "MORAX ITS TIME TO SETTLE THIS" overlapping

[glossy reef]

"IS IT THE COLD OR JUST COWARDICE?" played 4 times

[real yoke]

that’s true but he’s such an easy boss for most people rn unless they increase that hp by a lot, which seems to be their way of making enemies harder for now

[hollow cairn]

imagine azhdaha in abyss

[glossy reef]

Imagine Signora in Abyss
She'd be the run killer considering how much that stupid witch moves

[real yoke]

she does move a lot

[meager valve]

i mean, if childe has more hp, he can be tough, he has 1 shot attack he uses after a while

[glad harness]

woah idle animation is leaked

[lunar zealot]

sayu is the 2nd best user of the clam set, no kappa. people just dont know it because 4VV exists

[glad harness]

green yoimiya

[torpid oak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/tst27v/kuki_shinobu_idle_animation/

[meager valve]

people would wish her to revive only to die again

[glossy reef]

I ran 4PC Maiden's on Sayu because I used her as a healer

[real yoke]

really??? now that is something new , i haven’t paid much attention to her heals

[glad harness]

My Sayu in a taser team can do 3 max clam per rotation

[little charm]

this is so funny we're all jus waiting for whatever tf her q does talking about other stuff

[lunar zealot]

you need c1 tho

[glad harness]

and 2 small bubbles

but need very very high investment

[meager valve]

[glossy reef]

Well we gotta fuel the unreasonable expectations so that way when it gets leaked we can all be disappointed and blame Mihoyo for something they never promised

[shrewd crescent]

She puts the mask on to look cool

100%

[glad harness]

she puts mask on so people won't know that she's actually Yoi

[glossy reef]

Reminds me of the day Sucrose / night Sucrose with the Cicin Mage

[meager valve]

so lets go the other way and predict the worst outcome:
kuki burst locks her in place, as she flails the electro sword whip, can't swap out for those 3.5 secs of animation

[real yoke]

that is so cute

[glossy reef]

Congratulations, you've made Keqing but worse

[torpid oak]

• it only hits twice or something

[meager valve]

now we can only go up from here

[little charm]

what is the barrier

[meager valve]

range is too short, and won't hit anything without c1

[amber plover]

Barrier is just fluff text afaik

[little charm]

c1

C2 is the e extension

[small turtle]

FUCKING BEAUTIFUL

[green wave]

Aww

[plush mirage]

How is that mask even attached

[warped saddle]

Cute

[torpid oak]

Magic ✨

[shrewd crescent]

Don't question it

[spare torrent]

Static electricity.

[meager valve]

magnets

[green wave]

I wonder why she keeps it on

[warped saddle]

To look badass

[meager valve]

to look intimidating

[little charm]

to hide from her sister

[meager valve]

to hide from yae

[hot hornet]

cute kuki

[little charm]

because covid duh

[lunar zealot]

meta

[meager valve]

oh no it reached teyvat as well?

more job for hutao

[green wave]

Anyway, has there been anything new for kuki tc?

[lunar zealot]

me

[meager valve]

we can't do anything without gameplay video

[lunar zealot]

hello guys :3

[meager valve]

we don't know energy generation, or how dafuq her skills work

[little charm]

no clue what that q is

[green wave]

No, but kukis self aware and paranoid

[meager valve]

you'd think it's something like a short lisa burst, but who knows

hitting all enemies every 0.5 secs in an aoe

[little charm]

man why she gotta be split scalng tho 😔

[lunar zealot]

i sure hope it s fatser than every 0.5sec

[green wave]

I wonder what they changed about Beta

[lunar zealot]

i hope it's amber's fiery rain tier of fast

[meager valve]

oh yea mb, 0.5 is really slow for such a short attack

[lunar zealot]

same wording

hope exists

[meager valve]

so kuki will give many numbers

[green wave]

kuuuuukiiii

[meager valve]

btw, i just realized it, but we finally got a sword user that works with focus on hp, jade cutter gonna be pog

[lunar zealot]

she has most of her damages (very probably) and her heal both on HP, it's not so bad

yup

[meager valve]

only E damage scale with atk% no?

[lunar zealot]

yup, but if you have jade cutter you will most likely still have 1k5+ ATK anyway

and damge probably will be mostly on Q since that's the only thing her Q does

[meager valve]

there's no other hp sword tho

so i guess er weapons like a standard support

[lunar zealot]

well, yes.

[meager valve]

i don't think she'll have that much of an issue with er if people will run her in electro mono teams

[lunar zealot]

if you dont have PJC, you are kinda doomed to go ER swrod

[green wave]

I thought her split scaling was EM not ATK%?

[lunar zealot]

her EM ratios are big jokes

[little charm]

her E dmg is atk

[lunar zealot]

unless i understood them wrong

[little charm]

I don't even know why they put the em in there

[spare torrent]

ER sword gonna be useless if she's an E bot, so I'd rather just go Iron Sting at that point.

[simple cypress]

she splits all 3 ways c':

[little charm]

what

[spare torrent]

Her E damage scales off of ATK and EM.
Her Q damage scales off of HP and EM.

[lunar zealot]

Q scales with EM?

[amber plover]

Pretty sure it doesn't

[spare torrent]

Yes.

[lunar zealot]

same

[meager valve]

the damage increase of E from EM looks like trash...

[spare torrent]

Her passive just says DMG increases by 25% of EM.

[amber plover]

Only for her S

E*

[spare torrent]

Oh wait.

[simple cypress]

EM just affects A4, which affects E

[lunar zealot]

yup, only for skill

[spare torrent]

Yeah, I'm dumb.

Forget me. lol

[green wave]

how do you build her 😭

[lunar zealot]

crit electro hp er

[green wave]

kuki EM/EM/EM confirmed

[lunar zealot]

as much of all of that as you can (well, not too much er)

[simple cypress]

4NO, ADC or HP%, high base atk sword, and put it all on Bennett

[green wave]

thank u very helpful

[shrewd crescent]

[simple cypress]

this is the way

[little charm]

i think the a4 is to be ignored

[green wave]

what abooouuuuut favonius sword??1

[spare torrent]

4 ToM, Iron Sting, HP/HP/HP.

[little charm]

Yeah she will proc reactions w her infinite e at c2 💯

[spare torrent]

Just ignore her Q exists.

[lunar zealot]

pretty cool to have a new potential totm holder, she wont make use of the atk buff, but buffing the shields from a mate is a good way around her lowish heals

[green wave]

she has low heals? I was concerned about this too but i was told not to worry

[simple cypress]

I believeeee

[spare torrent]

Yeah, her heals aren't low.

They're decent.

[simple cypress]

her heals are on par with other healers

[lunar zealot]

she has low but probably (if i got it well), reliable one

follows u, not ER dependant

high uptime

[meager valve]

its gonna be barbara level of passive healing, trust

[spare torrent]

It's not low. By comparison, Gorou's healing ticks at the same rate but scales waaaaaaaaay lower.

[simple cypress]

keeping your healer at half health is gonna feel weird though

[spare torrent]

It's middle of the road at worst.

[lunar zealot]

gorou has very low heal

[little charm]

I dunno why they made her like ht

Even gave her ht c6 but it's not good at all 🏊

[lunar zealot]

she has waaaay lower heal than sayu, so I call it low

sayu has good one

[spare torrent]

I think a big thing you need to think about is she can be a healbot without any ER.

Which a lot of healers cannot.

[lunar zealot]

yup

[spare torrent]

So, she can stack more HP.

[little charm]

yeah tom bot with no er required

[simple cypress]

yeah.. the uptime is a great compromise

[spare torrent]

And her scaling seeming lower actually evens things out.

[meager valve]

from back of the envelop calculation, i guess it'll go around 2~2.5k heals per tick for decent investment

[lunar zealot]

yup

thats what i got too

[meager valve]

question is, how often does it tick?

[simple cypress]

sayu usually cant burst every rotation.. so when you think about it kuki probably heals more c':

[keen sinew]

damn i just finished the new archon quest hoping for more leaks to be out for kuki and its only a idle

[green wave]

praying for kuki vids

[lunar zealot]

its definitely not high heals in my books considering it only heals the character on field

[shrewd crescent]

Her E healing or Q?

[meager valve]

barb's/Qiqi's E can usually go at 4~5k heals per tick

[meager valve]

E

[lunar zealot]

but its following you, not ER capped, and high uptime

[shrewd crescent]

Probably heals every 1.5 seconds

[spare torrent]

I was getting around 3k (before healing bonus passive) if she's built as an E bot using Iron Sting/4 ToM and just straight HP/HP/HP without any concern for her Q.

[keen sinew]

its 1.5s

[green wave]

We shouldn’t be comparing her to a five star though

[meager valve]

idk if she'll be built as an E bot tho

[spare torrent]

Mine will.

And that's like... before any substats.

[meager valve]

i was going for a modest 25k hp with lvl 8 skill

[simple cypress]

HP/HP/HP benefits Q anyway

[spare torrent]

She should be able to do 4k ticks easily with decent HP substats.

[meager valve]

oh right, she has 24% hp from ascension

[lunar zealot]

most people will probably build more aggressive, if Q tics fast

and that would be the better build imo

[spare torrent]

Maybe.

[lunar zealot]

if it tics as fast as amber's burst

[meager valve]

so yea, electro cup and crit circlet

[spare torrent]

I think there's no way her Q could do enough damage to increase the DPS of the team I'm gonna run her in.

[lunar zealot]

it can reach very high damages

[meager valve]

leaving you with only hp sands

[spare torrent]

Ironically, the team I'm gonna run her in won't really need such strong heals. lol

[meager valve]

which is exactly why focusing damage would be viable

[spare torrent]

No point, because her Q cast will slow down the rotation and reduce DPS.

[meager valve]

like how people build damage on bennet because building on healing is not doing much

[spare torrent]

I'm almost sure of it. I can't imagine it doing enough damage to offset.

[lunar zealot]

according to my quick maffs, a very invested one could deal 150k burst damages if it deals as fast as amber's Q

[spare torrent]

Not for what I'm doing.

[lunar zealot]

it would be very stupid, for a 15 sec rotation healer that can hold totm

[meager valve]

what if Q is very fast to cast?

you swap to her to E anyways

[spare torrent]

Maybe, but Zhongli's normals are super fast.

[lunar zealot]

if it deals that much, there's no comp in the game that get lower dps from casting her ult

[meager valve]

pikeli yunjin team?

[spare torrent]

Yes, with ToM Shinobu and Noblesse Rosaria.

[meager valve]

ohhh interesting

[shrewd crescent]

Wait

[plush mirage]

Unless you are fighting wolves I don't think that team needs a healer

[shrewd crescent]

KUKI CAN USE PF

[spare torrent]

It does not. LOL

It doesn't need to waste time with an extra Q either.

[idle stream]

Kuki phys dps 😱

[plush mirage]

Yeah there is no reason to not use fischl

[meager valve]

you can save time by not casting zhongli E

[spare torrent]

No, I need that for Geo Res.

And Res Shred.

[supple snow]

Kuki gameplay when bruuhhhh

[lunar zealot]

worst case scenario (very very VERY pessimistic), her ult takes 2sec to cast. 4* dont have zoom on their face when casting, it's usually fast

what team in this game deals 75k DPS?

[spare torrent]

I don't think she'll do a 150k burst.

[lunar zealot]

if it is as fast as amber's Q

and she is very invested

she will

[supple snow]

Hyper buffed will

[lunar zealot]

you even plan to play her low ER in your comp, so you can put everything in offensive stats

[green wave]

I doubt she’ll do amazing dmg, you guys are getting your hopes up

[lunar zealot]

the question is how fast it tics

if it tics as fast as amber's it's not hopes, i'm sure

i did the maths xD

[spare torrent]

How fast does Amber's tick?

[lunar zealot]

(times a sec

9

and both bursts have the same wording

[unique sphinx]

18 times in 5 seconds

[lunar zealot]

18 in 2

[plush mirage]

It's 18 times in 2s

[meager valve]

they're not confined to 18 tho, can be any other number

[plush mirage]

Yeah

It can go from 7 ticks to 31 ticks over 3.5s who knows

[unique sphinx]

Is it just me or everyone here is on some serious copium rn

[warped saddle]

I just want to see her animations

[lunar zealot]

I dont think that s copium, it's realistic. the wording is the same as amber's

[woven locust]

holy

[lunar zealot]

it may not end up this way, but the hope is legit imo

[mossy token]

sauce

[shrewd crescent]

We always are but it's chill copium

[woven locust]

is it fine to post vid

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

But it was posted earlier

[woven locust]

[tiny sedge]

She it is so pretty model Like it more than splash

[tardy cosmos]

hi guys

[woven locust]

hi

[plush mirage]

Rather than copium i am more surprised at people making conclusions even before the full kit is known

[tiny sedge]

Yelan video is here for hours, hope we get Kuki soon

[lunar zealot]

im still wondering if we got the EM scalings right. Seems weird to me that the wording isnt even close to Sayu's one

[shrewd crescent]

Thighs

That's all.

[tardy cosmos]

this is before dmg% and heal% calculation right

[shrewd crescent]

We don't know

[simple cypress]

it's not unusual for mhy to be inconsistent, esp in translation

[tardy cosmos]

so the formula will be 5.4% max hp + 635 + 75%(em)
and 45.4% attack + 25%(em)

[tiny sedge]

She is more of cute to me than as hot character 😅

[shrewd crescent]

That sounds- eh I can't make a conclusion tbh. I barely understand the formula

[lunar zealot]

if thats how it works, the EM scaling are bad

like, very bad

[simple cypress]

that's how I and others have been calculating it

[shrewd crescent]

It's a mixture of both for me. Especially after that idle. Mask to look cool

[woven locust]

[tiny sedge]

She is cute and cool, I like ribbon, make a cat ear on her

[tardy cosmos]

healing wise it's not so bad

[woven locust]

please let her E hit large like xiangling

[tardy cosmos]

since you'll get the damage from reaction anyway

[woven locust]

if her E is large and slow enuf, then will be much more useful

[little charm]

The wording makes it seem like flat dmg which is pretty bad

[tardy cosmos]

if you can get 8k overload from shinobu's trigger, won't that be good

[hollow belfry]

why kuki idle before skills showcase

[lunar zealot]

1/4 of sayu's c6 EM scaling on ult. but the base heal + hp ratio is a bit above 1/2 of the base heal + atk ratio on sayu. considering a c6 sayu keeps almost the same heal between going atk or EM. getting EM on Kuki is getting less heal than hp%

[unkempt ginkgo]

do we know how fast kuki healing ticks?

[simple cypress]

yessss kuki overloads

[lunar zealot]

if that is how her heal is calculated

[tardy cosmos]

eh I think her E will be like Qiqi's but it's her whip sword
then her q will be like jean's

[hollow belfry]

every 1.5 i think

[woven locust]

maybe 1 tick each 2sec like avg characters

[plush mirage]

It's 1.5

[tiny sedge]

I think it is 1.5 seconds, same as attack speed

[unkempt ginkgo]

so is she gonna be healer primarily?

[tiny sedge]

We do not know burst damage yet

[woven locust]

can 1 tick of her by somehow outsmart her 30% hp consume

[tardy cosmos]

maybe her burst will tick like xinyan

[hollow belfry]

hopefully she can battery and do damage too

[plush mirage]

She drains her own hp not her teammates

[unkempt ginkgo]

oh yeah, that burst duration looks really short, is it gonna be like a rapid zapper dome that hits 4 times a sec or smth?

[lunar zealot]

you dont want 1 tick of heal to out heal the hp cost to keep her hp low, for the improved ult (if her ult deals significant damages)

[woven locust]

[lunar zealot]

she will likely be kept between 20%hp and 50%hp all time

[plush mirage]

Yeah i figure the heal will happen after 1.5s after skill, so you want to switch her out quickly after cast

Otherwise she might go above 50 again

[woven locust]

[lunar zealot]

you cast skill then ult, you get 1 heal tick during ult cast and it shouldnt get you above 50%hp

[unkempt ginkgo]

also, with a focus on er, how much max hp could she reach?

[woven locust]

but after time kuki will have like 20% hp ish, its kinda dangerous with that hp

[lunar zealot]

shouldNT, i editet LUL, it's important

she will be a dangerous character to play

[unkempt ginkgo]

not if she has high max hp and doesn't stay on field for long

[lunar zealot]

that almost sure

[little charm]

She has 12k at 90

[plush mirage]

And i guess they also put the c6 there in case you fucked up

[woven locust]

so HP/HP/HB with EM substat?

[unkempt ginkgo]

double hp + er subs

[lunar zealot]

EM scaling is bad

[woven locust]

idk why hoyo keep letting electro character scale with em, yae and now kuki

[unkempt ginkgo]

is there any hp sword?

[little forge]

No

[plush mirage]

Nope

[hollow belfry]

dendro

[woven locust]

fav sword ig more particle

[hollow belfry]

pjc

[unkempt ginkgo]

fav sword it is then

[lunar zealot]

it makes me sad to say that. EM healers are strong bcz u can turn the EM into good damages in the right comp. but her EM scaling are not good enough for what we know imo

[tiny sedge]

Maybe fav for helpful to team particle, or if want more of heal there is Iron Sting

[little forge]

Dendro archon gives enormous amount of EM

[shrewd crescent]

I'll slap Lion's roar on her cause I can

[tiny sedge]

It has electro passive 🙃 Maybe not too bad

[spare torrent]

Amenoma might be decent for energy refund and E damage scaling.

[lunar zealot]

doubt

[tiny sedge]

Just don't know if energy is needed... if burst is good

Kuki only is 15 second cooldown burst, she is only get 1 seed per rotation ?

[lunar zealot]

it will all come to how fast this burst ticks

[spare torrent]

1 seed is 12 energy.

[unkempt ginkgo]

the burst dmg is based on hp, right?

[lunar zealot]

yup

[unkempt ginkgo]

and skill dmg on atk?

[lunar zealot]

yup

[tiny sedge]

Yes it is decent option , maybe not as efficient as other character

[lunar zealot]

but skill healing is on hp

[unkempt ginkgo]

then what's gonna change depending on how fast the burst ticks? we still build her with HP and ER

[tiny sedge]

It change if it is valuable to build her damage on burst

[lunar zealot]

because if it ticks very fast, i mean amber's Q kind of fast (same wording), then her burst will deal A LOT. and u will build her crit electro hp

[unkempt ginkgo]

hmm true

hopefully her healing won't suffer

but knowing mihoyo, I don't think they'll let a 4* have good damage and healing

[lunar zealot]

for healing, she trades numbers for reliability and convenience anyway

[unkempt ginkgo]

wait, Sayu exist

[fast rapids]

still no gameplay videos?

[unique sphinx]

Her kit only has healing and dmg so it has to be decent for her to be a viable character, hopefully hoyo doesn't do her dirty like Thoma

[unkempt ginkgo]

.

[shrewd crescent]

Foreshadowing

[woven locust]

they need to give kuki large electro application so the em might have some use with reations

[lunar zealot]

tbh, her heal will not be very high, but you can pair her with a shielder and give Kuki TotM. that s a possibility

this way, you can improve your team's survivability further

[unkempt ginkgo]

being an electro healer is gonna be a novelty too

[plush mirage]

Yeah idk if any comp will take her as bis, but she's still giving heals and applying aoe electro aura in worst case scenario

[shrewd crescent]

Unneeded. Should have been electro dps so i get to see her on screen all day every day

[green wave]

Im out if so then, i wanted her for yae comp

[lunar zealot]

let's all pray her ult deals

[unkempt ginkgo]

I'm interested in her battery potential but, replacing Fischl and Bennett will require the new member to be really good

[lunar zealot]

i have no issue replacing bennett. it's just a matter of willpower xD

put the OP character on the bench

and have fun

[green wave]

i still really want ayato

[unique sphinx]

Just novelty isn't good enough

[woven locust]

if kuki Q deal significant, i will just slap her hp electro crt

[lunar zealot]

snapshot should have never existed. removing snapshot would be the nerf bennett and xiangling deserve to bring them to acceptable power level. but it s too late, doing that would bring mihoyo the wrath of the player base (but not mine :3)

[unkempt ginkgo]

mihoyo can and will lean on novelty sometimes

[woven locust]

they are slowly releasing character that doesnt heavily rely on bennet tho

[plush mirage]

Yeah like two chars which scales on hp entirely

[unkempt ginkgo]

lol

[spare torrent]

Is there a better fit for Phys Zhongli?

[plush mirage]

Uhh fishcl

[lunar zealot]

yup, they are making big effort to make bennett less mandatory

but he still is the best

[spare torrent]

Fischl's a bad ToM user. You're better off using ToM on Zhongli and Physchl in the same comp, but that's scuffed.

[lunar zealot]

just, there are other options that come close now

[plush mirage]

She's still doing a ton of damage

[unkempt ginkgo]

to work around bennett they'll need to seriously inflate buffs for for other stats in which case, older buffer characters will lose value

atk is such a central stat

[tropic jacinth]

Or just make char that don't need an on field attack boost like all the new char so far

[unkempt ginkgo]

like who?

[plush mirage]

Who indeed

Maybe some 5* hydro bow

[tropic jacinth]

Itto
Yae
Ayato
Yelan...

[plush mirage]

...and kuki ult

[unkempt ginkgo]

hp scalers?

Ayato still benefits tons from Bennett

[lunar zealot]

and non snapshotters

(yae)

[plush mirage]

Yeah yelan scales purely on hp so bennett is mid there

[unkempt ginkgo]

and Yae still prefers to be on Bennett circle to nuke

[tropic jacinth]

Not really

[woven locust]

any atk sources is 101% useless on yelan

[torpid oak]

Except for Phys Yelan

[plush mirage]

Tbh regarding kuki, she allows you to run non healer hydro and anemo

[unkempt ginkgo]

hoyo has been holding back on hp scaling for a long time because of how wildly the numbers can change when using hp as base

[plush mirage]

Meaning yelan kuki kazuha is a fair game

[woven locust]

maybe more hp scaling in future to balance the atk/def scaling peeps

[unkempt ginkgo]

it'll be some time until they figure out how to make it work. But I like any hp scaling characters and I'll probably never pull any atk scaler going forward

[fast rapids]

[haughty mural]

I find the lack of kuki disturbing

[fast rapids]

lack of kuki?

[haughty mural]

Gods it just dawned on me. What if "overgrow" is a buff that increases max HP

[unkempt ginkgo]

Kuki's hp scaling will be very exciting if she deals dmg

[tropic jacinth]

Gameplay vid

[woven locust]

must be something happens that lead to the delay of kuki showcase

[shrewd crescent]

Dedicated Pyro shielder

[spare torrent]

...Xinyan?

[shrewd crescent]

At least Xinyan has mega good potential

I'm referring to the other one that makes me feel like a disappointed father.

[unkempt ginkgo]

fr

I have Xinyan's cons that gives 100cr on burst, I'm waiting to level her up just to see max crit dmg

[torpid oak]

We still have no Kuki footage?

[unkempt ginkgo]

anti- 4* bias

[spare torrent]

Uba holding back because she's too powerful.

[torpid oak]

It’s the reason we’re in a thread while Yelan has a whole channel

[unkempt ginkgo]

channel for yelan, thread for Kuki even tho threads are in Yelan kit

did you guys see the grass ring animation? its just a model viewer I think

looks kinda funny/fake

[woven locust]

ngl, i see no connection between her whipwhip sword with skill and burst

[subtle finch]

link

[torpid oak]

[woven locust]

one is ring or sth, other is barrier

[subtle finch]

plot twist: the kit on honey is somehow an old version of her kit they planned and the correct one will be up tomorrow

why couldnt the little kazuha sus kit have been the real one

[shrewd crescent]

The Shuriken one?

[subtle finch]

ya

[subtle finch]

that one was way cooler

[woven locust]

imagine make a cool as whippy sword and no AA animation for it

[unkempt ginkgo]

looks like naku weed ngl

[subtle finch]

actual electro qiqi

[shrewd crescent]

Was Uba right all along

[subtle finch]

wait

isnt that just

kaeyas burst

colored purple

[woven locust]

[subtle finch]

[torpid oak]

It also looks exactly like the sword in her splash art

[simple cypress]

Isn't that what its supposed to be?

[shrewd crescent]

First thing I thought of was electro abyss mage

[tiny sedge]

If only it is as strong as abyss mage circle

[unkempt ginkgo]

got it from another server, claiming that it was from blank, tho the animations feel sussy

[shrewd crescent]

If it hit as frequently as that ring

[woven locust]

[unkempt ginkgo]

[woven locust]

that kind of sword suppose to deal more hit at a time, not just one every 1.5sec

[unkempt ginkgo]

I imagine all off-field skill work because the off-field character is riding on the on-field char's shoulders

[tiny sedge]

Whip sword style it is so cool, hope it has a good animation. It seem like it should be for a burst, infusion like a Itto or Raiden instead

[fast rapids]

is that fucking naku weed

[unkempt ginkgo]

'grass ring' might be

[winged furnace]

What would be best on her hp/hp/hp or hp/hp/hb?

[tardy cosmos]

em/em/em

you sacrifice a little bit of healing for more damage

[subtle finch]

oh is triple em similar healing to hp build?

[unkempt ginkgo]

stop it, its a new memeber, lol

[tardy cosmos]

you only miss 400-ish healing here

I'd go full em

then you get ER% and HP% from substats

[torpid oak]

[calm ice]

[tardy cosmos]

what

[calm ice]

Isn't her ult dmg hp scaling as well though?

[torpid oak]

You said you sacrifice a little healing for more damage, could you show the damage increase?

[subtle finch]

uba said no

wait no

sorry i misread

E damage not HP scaling

ult damage is

so going pure EM i think would make ult damage bad

[tardy cosmos]

if you want to chase dmg you need to use electro goblet, which means you lose a lot of hp

[torpid oak]

You had me going there Noir

[calm ice]

Ohh

[tardy cosmos]

it's better to chase dmg through reaction, you dont have to sacrifice your healing much

[calm ice]

Yeah. Her E dmg scaling is base on atk

Got worried for a second there

[torpid oak]

I know that, but you said earlier that “you sacrifice a little bit of healing for more damage”, did you do math for this like you did with the healing?

[tardy cosmos]

em mainstat contributes both to damage and healing
if you want to chase dmg you're split on atk and hp sands, hp and electro goblet, then heal and crit circlet

[tardy cosmos]

imma do it 🙂

[subtle finch]

does EM buff her ult damage at all?

[torpid oak]

No

[tardy cosmos]

not at all

[subtle finch]

ngl this kit is a clusterfuck

why is her scaling all over the place like this?

this is the worst case of split scaling ive ever seen

[tardy cosmos]

to push you into going full em

[subtle finch]

by making her burst not scale with it?

[tardy cosmos]

you can't optimize at all

[subtle finch]

and thats why it is a clusterfuck

[torpid oak]

She’s meant to be a healer with an HP scaling burst, her skill damage is annoyingly Atk scaling though, and in my personal opinion her A4 might as well not exist for all it’s worth

[tardy cosmos]

you want to increase her skill damage, then her burst damage will be low
you want to increase her burst damage, then her skill damage will be low
you want to go full healing, you dont do damage
the best thing to do is just chase em

[subtle finch]

we cant say whats best before knowing things like how many times her Q hits.

[torpid oak]

But if you build HP & damage you can still do healing, and damage with your burst no?

[subtle finch]

^also this

[tardy cosmos]

you then have to use electro goblet and crit circlet

[subtle finch]

whats the issue with that

[torpid oak]

That’s the idea yeah

[tardy cosmos]

then your healing is scuffed?

[subtle finch]

does that matter if you arent using clam?

you just need to stay alive

she heals every 1.5s

you will be fine

[calm ice]

Should still be good enuf to sustain some teams

[torpid oak]

Her HP ascension as well as substats help with that alright, especially if you’re using Tenacity on her

[subtle finch]

hp sands, ascension, and totm yup

[calm ice]

Going for EM might still be viable though. Maybe for mono pyro team

Maybe she'll proc overload everytime

Who knows

[torpid oak]

Maybe, but I feel like icd would get in the way of that

[calm ice]

It might

[subtle finch]

in teams where she could get a good amount of overloads that may make sense

[calm ice]

We need footage and info about her icd for that

[tardy cosmos]

this is calced at tl10 burst

61k per 15s is...

[unkempt ginkgo]

is this Sayu all over again?

[tardy cosmos]

@subtle finch @torpid oak @calm ice anything I missed from this calc?

[subtle finch]

idk im at work

[tardy cosmos]

haha alright

[calm ice]

Is this with hp crit build?

[tardy cosmos]

hp/elec/crit yep

[torpid oak]

Not as far as I can tell, but I’m admittedly not experienced at sheets

[tardy cosmos]

it's just napkin math nothing advanced

that's assuming kuki's burst have 18 hits like amber's

[real yoke]

that would be quite good…

[calm ice]

What if it hits 35 times

[tardy cosmos]

if it has 31 hits ( 3.5s / 2.0s x 18) then

[torpid oak]

Assuming she didn’t have to worry about icd & overloaded every hit, would a full EM build outpace it?

[tardy cosmos]

that's what my assumption is

[tardy cosmos]

with 31 hits

[torpid oak]

31 hits is though

[calm ice]

Pretty copium yeah

[torpid oak]

I would optimistically assume an equivalent to Amber’s ult hits at best like Zoomzoomzoom did

[calm ice]

What's your calcs on full em?

[tardy cosmos]

this is just full em mainstat

[calm ice]

What if it only hit 1x per second?

x3.5

Kuki kopers

[torpid oak]

Then her scaling would be beyond cope

[tardy cosmos]

31 hits is from (amber deals 18x hits in 2s)
under 50% hp, kuki's burst have 3.5s duration
3.5/2.0 x 18 = 31-ish

lmao

the problem tho
is farming em artifacts

[calm ice]

Wait she also increases her dmg with her a4 right

[simple cypress]

Looks like what I got when I did the same assumptions

Then I laughed and deleted it

[tardy cosmos]

but it's negligible since you dont use elec gob and crit circlet

[torpid oak]

I will probably go with an attack build either way, but I concede that EM seems better with her current kit

[tardy cosmos]

good luck to you tinker

[calm ice]

Assuming she doesn't always overload cuz you know icd is a thing

[tardy cosmos]

it seems all kinds of fucked

[calm ice]

How does it compare to her having hp crit build?

[tardy cosmos]

if kuki's skill really tick per 1.5 seconds and assuming that she have 100% ownership of overload
then she should do 5 times overload per 15s. 5 x 11732 is 58660, which is around what her burst will do

[calm ice]

Ngl with her elemental skill uptime, I can see EM working well.

[tardy cosmos]

yeah at c2 she has 100% uptime

[calm ice]

Specially with electro charge

[subtle finch]

in teams with pyro aura for her to overload pure EM makes sense

[tardy cosmos]

no need to use TF

[subtle finch]

40% overload damage

[tardy cosmos]

there's a rumor that Klee is rerunning with Itto, which make sense with how klee might work well together with current shinobu kit

[calm ice]

4pc TF kuki with full EM build?

[subtle finch]

i hope so cuz i do not want a damn c1 itto

[unkempt ginkgo]

all those em pieces I threw away

[calm ice]

Same. Might as well get a klee than get another itto cons

He already works well without cons anyway

[simple cypress]

These were the builds I compared with Overload included
L90, T10, no set.. I used favonius for these because reasons
10 ticks from E
3 from c4
5 overloads

Not sure how accurate these are because I don't think it's worth double checking right now

[tardy cosmos]

seems like triple em won out after all?

or like same kind of damage but better healing?

[simple cypress]

I think it's at least promising for a fun build in specific comps
But I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet

[small turtle]

yeah, dmg is still low

[simple cypress]

I just realized the crit ratio is different in the ADC build.. whatever lol

[tardy cosmos]

btw what's the meta for sayu?
triple em as well?

[simple cypress]

For on field dps or for off field support?

[tardy cosmos]

I dont know to be honest
what gives her the most performance

[torpid oak]

This is a purely crack idea, but how about a Pale Flame NA Kuki with Yun Jin, Rosaria, and (Flex Spot, Benny maybe?)

[fast rapids]

zhongli

I thought of it few hours ago because why not

we need frame data though

[green wave]

Kuki does 100000k every time she hits an enemy, simple

[simple cypress]

For on-field DPS Sayu:
Hybrid is the easiest to build around and works in everything. You can use Pyronado best in this team.

Full EM depends .. in the right comp with the right specific characters against the right type of content, OL, EC and Vapeload comps can be really strong, but when it's weak it's really weak.

For off field burst Sayu:
At C6, full EM
If not c6, just go atk main stats with em subs (or the opposite if dmg is more priority over healing)

[tardy cosmos]

so sayu gets damage through swirl then?

[meager valve]

I'm calling it now, if mihoyo do not take a step back from this weird ass triple scaling in the next beta update, then dendro will HAVE to have a good reaction with electro that they're preping for. This design approach is so perplexing otherwise

[simple cypress]

Yeah.. her burst's highest damage ceiling is from swirls, especially in EC with double swirls

[torpid oak]

It’s probably Intensify, I remember a while back it was leaked that it scaled fairly well with EM although what it does is still unknown

[meager valve]

the "what it does" part is very important tho

[torpid oak]

Yeah, that’s why the info isn’t too useful

[meager valve]

heck, imagine if the "what it does" scale with EM, and won't be just a boring 'ol damage. for example, a buff/debuff that scale on EM

[subtle finch]

why even tell us that it scales with EM

like no shit

every reaction scales with EM

[meager valve]

im talking about the special behavior

not the damage

[torpid oak]

From back when it was called Overdose: #791659074253094933 message

[meager valve]

all reaction's damage scale with em, but not the buffs/debuffs

for example, superconduct has a physical resistance shred

but its static

[subtle finch]

so you think thats why they specified it scales with EM? they meant ithave like a debuff or something that scales with EM?

[meager valve]

what if we'd have something like that, that scale on EM?

[subtle finch]

hopefully

[meager valve]

no, i'm throwing a what if

because its an unexplored mechanic

[torpid oak]

I want Hoyo to throw us a bone and “accidentally” leave something about what Dendro does in a beta

[meager valve]

i'm bored of the EM = bigger reaction damage

there's so much more they can do with em

[meager valve]

or maybe like how they gave hints on inazuma on streams leading up to it, they'd give us tid bits on stream on dendro

[torpid oak]

I coped earlier about Electro + Dendro being a Def% Shred based on EM, but I don’t know if that’s what you’re talking about

[meager valve]

yea, that's the direction i'm going for

basically, give it a different scale behavior, and taper it off strongly on high EM to not break the game with too high of a def shred

then introduce enemies with disgusting defense, but low hp

and oops, i indirectly buffed raiden c2

scratch that

idk, reaction that slows the attack speed and movement speed of enemies

how hard it slows will depend on EM

stuff like that, yknow?

[tardy cosmos]

that doesnt seems intensified

[main bay]

intensified sounds like amp

[subtle finch]

https://youtu.be/3njGzUyXsrs

[umbral sun]

She wears a mask, is electro, shows midriff and thighs. I am so down bad.

[subtle finch]

Showing midriff is only thing I don’t like about her design

[umbral sun]

Yeah I guess it's not necessary. Can't say I dislike it though. Being electro and wearing a mask on the other hand does a lot for me.

[ocean canopy]

Can anyone help me tell how she works in short bcaz i can't understand anything like she needs em hp she heals

[rare abyss]

"video unavailable"

[tardy cosmos]

shinobu has triple scaling bullshittery
if you build adc, you will have good sustained skill damage, bad everything else
if you build hpdc, you will have passable healing and good burst damage, but bad sustained skill damage

if you build triple hp, you do great healing but can't do any damage

[dark geyser]

Where gameplay

[tardy cosmos]

but it's likely that if you build triple em, you get decent healing and decent damage

[dark geyser]

Whats adc

[umbral sun]

Can't you build EM to get decent healing and good damge in the right team

[tardy cosmos]

attack sands, damage goblet, crit circlet

[umbral sun]

nvm you already mentioned

[tardy cosmos]

a ttack
d amage
c rit

[subtle finch]

Do insiders just hate Kuki why no gameplay

[vapid sluice]

Kuki isn't too great is she

[subtle finch]

Don’t know

[vapid sluice]

I just scrolled a tiny bit and saw triple scalimg

Kek

[subtle finch]

We need more info

[vapid sluice]

Energy gen and stuff?

[wintry fjord]

Hi

[subtle finch]

As well as icd, how many times Q hits, etc.

[vapid sluice]

Idk if electro icd is all that important since most of its reactions are kinda wack anyways

[subtle finch]

…what?

[wintry fjord]

Do you know me

[vapid sluice]

Most of the time i have no clue which element is triggering the reaction so....

[subtle finch]

That’s only electrocharged

[vapid sluice]

Klee dc no?

Kek

[subtle finch]

And ICD is still important to know even with EC to know how well she can sustain electro aura for jt

[wintry fjord]

Hes

Ues

Yes

[vapid sluice]

Klee mains for the win

[vapid sluice]

I stand corrected then

I just never looked at electro icd as something crucial like pyro/hydro/cryo

[tardy cosmos]

I kinda want to test amber burst and kuki burst together
how many reactions will it make

[subtle finch]

Cuz like if she has standard icd she will apply electro every 3 seconds if she doesn’t have icd she can apply it every 1.5s

Huge difference

[subtle finch]

How longer does amber last I forget

[tardy cosmos]

2s

[subtle finch]

Wouldn’t that be at most 4 OLs then? Iirc there’s a 0.5s icd on enemies being able to take OL damage

I may be misremembering

[tardy cosmos]

oh

sadge

gameplay vids where

can't any mod here ask uba

[calm ice]

I gotta say. Her in game model looks way better than the drip marketing art

[rare abyss]

true

[subtle finch]

You don’t like the drip art?

She looks the same in game tho

[small turtle]

kuki footage

[subtle finch]

Where

[little forge]

We have videos?

[small turtle]

it still doesnt exist

[little forge]

I'm really interested why

[unique sphinx]

Ngl me might as well rename this thread as Kuki Copium

[little forge]

Naku weed inhaling

[unique sphinx]

Cuz we don't have any in game footage to theorycraft with...

[meager valve]

Naku weed kukis cookies

[meager valve]

they'd need to ask abc64 tbh

[tardy cosmos]

do they still have twitter

[meager valve]

i think it was nuked

[hollow belfry]

kuki videos when

[supple snow]

Whennnn!!??

[rancid stream]

Alrighty so, what is the speculated best artifact build for shinobu?

[plush mirage]

Totm is a safe bet

[shrewd crescent]

Given the information we have now, what Lizz said

Totm

[leaden shore]

4p totm looks good

[main ferry]

Im stupid. Whats totm?

[rancid stream]

Sorry I mean the artifact stats, like hp/electro/crit or triple em, etc?

[leaden shore]

Tenacity of the millelith

[main ferry]

Ah

[rancid stream]

Tenacity of the milileth

[main ferry]

What stats?

[hollow belfry]

reminder to not farm artifacts before ascension and talents

[plush mirage]

Still questionable

[main ferry]

I got hella totm pieces and need to use up artis so i can explore chasm

[tardy cosmos]

tenacity triple em

in overload or ec comp

[main ferry]

[rancid stream]

I'd go ham mad hp/electro/crit if her burst ticks really fast tbh

[leaden shore]

Imma try making a Kuki calculator probably to see her healing and dmg

[rancid stream]

Crikey

Actually wait it does make sense one way or another

[tardy cosmos]

kuki's scaling is too low + she needs both hp and atk
the middle ground is just build em and get damage from reaction

[rancid stream]

🤔

[leaden shore]

Honesly her scalings are fine for a healer

[tardy cosmos]

well if you want to build full healer just go hp/hp/heal

[leaden shore]

true

[rancid stream]

Yep it's too low

[shrewd crescent]

Too late

[tardy cosmos]

I'm farming tenacity anyway for both kuki and yelan

[small turtle]

im not even rolling for her, hope standard will be nice to me with her

cause heizou

[tardy cosmos]

I'm stopping at c2 shinobu

[hollow belfry]

[shrewd crescent]

Im stopping at c0

[hollow belfry]

c0 seems fine

[shrewd crescent]

I have nothing to lose. I was farming for Eula anyway

[tardy cosmos]

need that 100% skill uptime

[shrewd crescent]

Now I'm just going on a genocide run on the ruin serpent

[tardy cosmos]

I also want to get Klee

so I'm planning to spend a lot on Shinobu's banner

[hollow belfry]

c2 might get annoying tho since theres no downtime on her heals so you might get above 50% hp

but im prob spouting nonsense

[lament cargo]

Still no footage ?

[shrewd crescent]

None

[tardy cosmos]

!!von

[olive tree]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[lament cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-21689675

[calm ice]

Footage where

🍪

[warped saddle]

Nowhere... better start eating some cookies...maybe it will make the pain fade away

[small turtle]

one day chat

[unborn ridge]

Hello, Does Kiki Shinobu have a good potential as a character as a whole?

[modern junco]

Electro healer so imo she creates comp options

[small turtle]

i think if her role is an healer completely, then yes

dmg wise, i dont know yet, still needs confirmation on something

[modern junco]

Shame ult doesn't last longer but skill looks nice

[unborn ridge]

Ok, Thanks you

[tardy cosmos]

I imagine Shinobu's burst will be good as shield eraser like Amber's is

[woven locust]

[glad harness]

I really like to test kiku xiangling sayu overload ball. Hope she has no icd

[woven locust]

without footage we really dont know how total her burst multiple

unless its just 6.49% max hp only

[main ferry]

How is there no footage of gameplay besides her idle yet

[idle stream]

No leaks dead game /s

[supple snow]

https://tenor.com/view/kuki-shinobu-genshin-impact-gif-25239651

[spare torrent]

So... if you've got a Primordial Jade Cutter, her base attack is actually low enough that an HP% sands will give you more of an ATK bonus than an ATK% sands assuming they don't buff her base attack.

That's assuming ToM though. ATK% sands could be very slightly better with another set, but it's unlikely, 'cause all you'd need is 10% extra HP from subs to offset it.

But yeah, HP/Electro/CritDmg with PJC would probably be pretty balanced even with an E bot build. Even better if her Q's good.

[vapid sluice]

i hope she's just a full fledged electro healer and not some wack half assed heals with tiny dmg unit

[forest mulch]

Ok I’m back after a day. Was anyone able to understand how her burst functions lol

[spare torrent]

STILL NO GAMEPLAY

[forest mulch]

True, pain

[noble elbow]

how badly did mihoyo screw things up for it to take this long

[modern junco]

What would be options for weapon aside from PJC? Ayato has it for me and assume most people

[forest mulch]

I blame all the yae videos that got spammed

[modern junco]

Is strange for there to be nothing at this point

[noble elbow]

jfc

[dark geyser]

leaks when

[forest mulch]

WAIT

https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1509509732561735687?s=21

UBatcha (@Ubatcha1)

Apologies I got this slightly wrong, she doesn't talk it off during her E or Q but she does during an idle.

Likes

395

Twitter · Mar 31, 2022, 12:35 PM

Does this mean it’s coming

[hollow belfry]

kuki vid soon pls

[spare torrent]

Most of her other weapon options seem kinda cope tbh. lol

We need an HP% 4* sword.

We need a weapon that's literally just HP% Spindle.

[small turtle]

footage today

[spare torrent]

Amenoma gives her about the same ATK buff from its mainstat as PJC does from its passive, letting you also use HP sands, and reduces your energy needs a little, so I'm thinking that might be a good F2P option.

[modern junco]

Was gonna just chuck her festering to make use of it

And cause colour theme lol

[spare torrent]

Ok, but with Festering, is her base attack 666?

'Cause it is with Amenoma.

[modern junco]

[haughty mural]

I wake up, i see no kuki, i sleep
I'm a simple man

[placid pine]

Kuki gp still nowhere to be found

[supple snow]

Why they gotta do us like this

[shrewd crescent]

Kuki Koper land

[shrewd crescent]

[unique sphinx]

still no Shinobu

[small turtle]

[supple snow]

Bro when uba ping i fr thought gameplay is leaked

[spare torrent]

Same.

[small turtle]

probably gameplay is on its way

[spare torrent]

I stopped everything I was doing to click that announcement.

[supple snow]

Same brah

[small turtle]

we just have to wait

[hollow belfry]