kuki-theorycrafting

[amber plover]

Yeah having her burst just being a dead ability is just a feels bad

[tawdry bone]

Yeah, she can't rely on the TTDS clutch either.

[torpid oak]

Yeah, but I’m just working off of what we have

[tawdry bone]

Shime bis

Not yall doomposting her before we have any gameplay 💀

[amber plover]

I despise doomposting with all my heart but we're just being realistic here

[tawdry bone]

I mean understandable, all the recent 4* except yunjin were shit

[subtle finch]

Excuse me?

[long frigate]

[subtle finch]

They were?

This is news to me

[tawdry bone]

I mained sayu but god she’s just… not good

[subtle finch]

Well she’s not a main dps

[long frigate]

how can you be so wrong about a character you main

[subtle finch]

Maybe that was your problem

[tawdry bone]

Idk u tell me 👹

[gaunt pivot]

you haven't been in Ayato-TC i see

[long frigate]

a healer + VV user + swirl sub dps is amazing role compression

role compression is super valuable

[subtle finch]

^

[long frigate]

especially in taser comps that lack healer slots

[subtle finch]

and i was hoping kuki would have some role compression

[real yoke]

saying this with sara and gorou existing yes they’re rather specific but they’re really good in their teams. they as in the rest of the 4 stars

[subtle finch]

but it looks like she does not

so her dmg needs to be good

[tawdry bone]

Too bad healing is locked behind 80 energy cost

[long frigate]

maybe if her energy gen is okay

and damage

[gaunt pivot]

proto amber sucrose

[long frigate]

good thing shes also a great Favonius user

so add that in

[long frigate]

has a lot less support than a fav sayu

[tawdry bone]

Kuki skill description read like a release unit

They're so... short

[gaunt pivot]

ER share from fav vs EM share from sucrose?

[torpid oak]

They probably read the complaints of “paragraphs” and now we have non-specific stuff that gives us minimal info

[long frigate]

EM share in taser is pretty meh no?

[little charm]

but if ur not using those teams they don't mean much to ur account lol

[real yoke]

true it’ll suck if she ends up like qiqi who only heals and can barely regen her own burst. being able to do some dmg like koko does would help her case

[real yoke]

yeh but that doesn’t mean the 4 star is bad ? they do well where they’re supposed to

[long frigate]

sayu is good for any team

a healer + vv user is always valuable

shes also a 4 star VV user

there are nt many

[tawdry bone]

Cope harder ell

[long frigate]

so she can be a great sub until you get a five star one

[gaunt pivot]

I saw a sheet where they performed pretty much the same, but it was + yae

[subtle finch]

Nevreide at this point I'm gonna have to ask you to stop

[long frigate]

try #・copium if you dont care about facts or have arguments

this is TC

[real yoke]

or sucrose

[long frigate]

or sucrose

though having two anemo untis is often good

or having one that is a healer

[little charm]

if people want to think so then yeah lol people are allowed to have opinions

[long frigate]

but the existence of other good units does not make one inherently worse

[tawdry bone]

We are passive aggressive today, aren’t we?

[rose tiger]

[long frigate]

bro we are having a debate

[subtle finch]

both of you just stop and move on from the conversation

talk about kuki

[long frigate]

you dont just say "cope ahrder" when someone is making a discussion on a unit

[real yoke]

you can have an opinion but but it’s not factual that they’re bad they do well where they are

[subtle finch]

not sayu

[long frigate]

please respond with facts or some form of argument

offtopic anyway

[gaunt pivot]

show gameplay pls

[long frigate]

first days of kit leaks are always a trip lol

[torpid oak]

Noir has not control over that

[real yoke]

noir hiding the gameplay /j

[gaunt pivot]

i know

[tawdry bone]

Kuki can't use TTDS so I guess I will just use Freedom Sword instead

[ruby flame]

So do we know what weapons and artifacts might work with her

[torpid oak]

Tenacity 4pc seems nice

[rose tiger]

looking forward to when the influx of people wanting to look at ‘shiny new kit’ and share their hot takes slows down

[real yoke]

sac sword, festering, fav. Tenacity of millieth

[torpid oak]

Jade Cutter

[gaunt pivot]

yelan at least has a CD between Q triggers and a x3 in honey, tf is the details on kuki's burst

[upbeat acorn]

shinobu is the best freedom sworn electro user since she can also use totm well

[real yoke]

ar 57 can’t spell millileth

[real yoke]

i’m also interested in seeing how beneficial that EM passive is

[little forge]

I mean, the other electro sword is Keqing...

[gaunt pivot]

EMC

[little forge]

Oh, I forgot about them

[torpid oak]

Hoyo: Her burst deals continuous damage

Us: Cool! How often does she strike?

Hoyo:

[little forge]

2 seconds

take it or leave it

[tawdry bone]

Watch it be Amber's Q but quadratic and the E is pure bait.

[ruby flame]

So would her dps option be physical or electro

[gaunt pivot]

sac sword for bursts when

[amber plover]

if she has decent particle gen and good damage we might actually end up with a great generalist 4star character 😳 I hope that's the case

[torpid oak]

Phys doesn’t seem half bad, but we don’t have enough information to really say anything either way

[spare torrent]

Hey, wait. If I used ToM healbot Shinobu in a Phys Zhongli superconduct comp, I could literally just take Zhongli's current ToM set for Shinobu. lol

[ivory shoal]

Do we know how her circle of justice works or do we wait until her gameplay?

As in does it work like beidou's shield

[little forge]

I really cannot imagine what speed this skill should have to dish out good damage in 2 seconds

[tawdry bone]

need to wait

[long frigate]

im here for the hot takes just not the slow mode

plus recently people never actually discuss their hot takes with me

they drop the argument as soon as i start making points

say waht you will about SMT

[little forge]

This means you're smart

[torpid oak]

I mean, Amber Q is 2 seconds, if it hits around the same frequency, then it should be a solid burst

[long frigate]

but he would actually defend his stance

[amber plover]

suffering from success

[little forge]

And your points are good

[long frigate]

no it means some people arent here for TC lol

[spare torrent]

You're just jealous that it's day one and I've already managed to solve the age old question of "who uses ToM if Zhongli's the DPS in Zhongli/Yun Jin superconduct?"

[shrewd crescent]

Everytime I look at Kuki's kit I shrivel up a little inside

[rose tiger]

[gaunt pivot]

the point of kuki burst is to enable full EM amber Q overload

[long frigate]

shell generate a lot of particles and do damage dw

[little forge]

But hers costs 40 energy and has better enabling potential because of pyro, no?

[spare torrent]

Amber also doesn't heal.

[little forge]

Valid

[shrewd crescent]

Don't do that. Don't give me hope. I'm already coping that her ult hits once every 0.25 seconds or once every 0.5 seconds minimum

[upbeat acorn]

Why wouldn't they make her EM passive some sort of buff instead of it increasing her own damage, do we have to hold off until dendro for it to make sense

[long frigate]

i think every .5 seconds makes sense

even then it seems strong if thats the case

[amber plover]

I think it's a given it's every 0.5 at the very minimum

[spare torrent]

I think it has to be .5 at the most.

[long frigate]

also one advantage over fischl is letting you run a 15 second rotation

or 20 seconds

so thats huge

even if she does less damage and less particles

she may have more flexible rotations

[shrewd crescent]

True. I just want 0.25 seconds cause I simp for her

[gaunt pivot]

i wouldn't count 2 seconds count as enabling, unless it is for a similar skill/burst that is ridiculously fast

[tiny sedge]

Hello ! I read the burst for Kuki but do not understand it, can any explain it very simple sorry. It is just AOE electro damage as short duration ?

[shrewd crescent]

I'd be happy with this information if I understood how to actually make and run a rotation

[shrewd crescent]

Basically yeah

There's stuff we don't understand

Or know

[torpid oak]

We literally just know it’s AoE and does damage, we don’t know how frequently it hits though so we can’t tell how much damage

[long frigate]

Anya!

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you it is strange for me, seem to be heal/support character but burst it does nothing

[tawdry bone]

The fact that C1 boost the AoE by 50% kinda implies it's not very large

[tiny sedge]

Hi Ell

[long frigate]

it is HP scaling, so the small number is bigger than it looks

[shrewd crescent]

I mean, she literally uses a Urumi and is like a ninja. You could get a lot of quick lacerations with that weapon. If her ult isn't rapid hit that would be painful

[spare torrent]

Yeah, no. I've been racking my brain trying to make a good superconduct comp capitalizing on Rosaria's/Zhongli's shred, Yun Jin's NA buff, and Geo Res, and the thing I came up before now was using Physchl 'cause she's not as good of a ToM user as Zhongli, but then you run into the issue of 1) Bow aim sucks and 2) Zhongli's radius isn't the best for ToM. Shinobu as a ToM healbot that can apply electro solves all my issues.

[tiny sedge]

Okay , maybe she is healer/subdps I hope like Sayu or Jean

[shrewd crescent]

I just wanna see Kuki's ult deal the equivalent of an 18 hit combo in 2 seconds Hoyoverse.

Is that so bad?

[tiny sedge]

But damage in her skill it seem only attack%

[shrewd crescent]

Yeah we don't talk about that

[spare torrent]

Literal godsend Shinobu answering my wishes.

[upbeat acorn]

They'll buff the skill to hp scaling dw

[tiny sedge]

😦

[long frigate]

are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

[long frigate]

yeah this part is annoying

[spare torrent]

No, yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

[long frigate]

ah okay

its an often underlooked downside of fischl

and a potential positive of shinobu

[tawdry bone]

3.5s if below 50% HP over 30 hit combo

[tiny sedge]

I think for support is Tenacity set maybe good option? If it hit fast but maybe will need to be close range like a Qiqi

[spare torrent]

Her radius increases with her cons.

[shrewd crescent]

That's if it hits every 0.1 seconds

[gaunt pivot]

i really don't know how to judge hp scalings, if it was the same amout of hits as amber burst would it deal similar dmg?

[tiny sedge]

Oh, I hope maybe it is large range then? Like Gorou burst it is hit in circle

[shrewd crescent]

And let's be honest. That ain't happening

[spare torrent]

Oh wait.

[tawdry bone]

Only her Q tho

[spare torrent]

That's her Q radius. lol

[shrewd crescent]

Hoyoverse would be INSANE to release something that hits that quickly

[spare torrent]

Oh well, doesn't matter, I'll be close range phys DPS with her anyways.

[calm ice]

Is 🍪 bad?

[shrewd crescent]

She's fine

Imo

[tiny sedge]

Guess for Tenacity set and ER weapon like a Sacrificial or Favonius is okay ?

[shrewd crescent]

Doesn't matter if she was shit tbh ill use my Thoma mentality and make her a dps

[spare torrent]

Following the current active character makes her E a lot better than current ToM users to begin with.

[calm ice]

Make her elemental skill dmg scale with hp and she'll be busted

[idle turret]

Based

[tawdry bone]

Mihoyo: Better make it not generate any particles to balance then

[shrewd crescent]

You see she's not 5 star so we all know it's not happening

[little forge]

Yelan seems exceptionally good so let's assume Kuki is the same

[spare torrent]

Do you use Thoma/Xingqiu/Kazuha/C6 Bennett?

[shrewd crescent]

No because I have c5 Bennett

I haven't gotten thr notification yet

Plus I gave up on Thoma

It was too painful for me to watch

[gaunt pivot]

barbara, qiqi, noelle: join us new healer

[torpid oak]

[shrewd crescent]

Won't give up on Kuki though. Mainly cause she's waifu and she's hot

[torpid oak]

Kuki is

[spare torrent]

Yeah, don't give up on that eccentric ninja.

[tiny sedge]

She is so cute

[supple snow]

She is the ToM holder for me

[shrewd crescent]

I'll get Jade cutter for her then hp will actually not be painful

[tawdry bone]

This is precisely why I'm actually pretty worried

[spare torrent]

Holding the ToM of our hearts.

[shrewd crescent]

I have a potentially good piece for Kuki. Good flower anyway

[calm ice]

True. Let's keep coping my fellow kuki kopers

[torpid oak]

I already have one, so I’m planning to have her hold onto it when not in use by someone else

[shrewd crescent]

Give it to Xingqiu

[torpid oak]

[shrewd crescent]

I'm only suggesting things

[gaunt pivot]

hoyo probably has more fun trolling with rng particles

[torpid oak]

[supple snow]

My 40cv hp circlet will finally be of use

[tiny sedge]

If for only support/healing she is just build HP/ER on Tenacity I think ? Just will need to wait to get gameplay to know if it is good damage on burst?

[spare torrent]

.5 chance to proc particles would be pretty good still with her C2. That's 5 per rotation on average.

[shrewd crescent]

It's the entire reason I didn't want her to be a healer. I was paranoid Hoyoverse would do something stupid

But. It's day one. I'll wait. For now

[little charm]

Just need to wait for gameplay

😔

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you ! She is interesting character

[shrewd crescent]

I forgot Yanfei is holding my kuki pieces

[tawdry bone]

5 particles sounds good for a 15 second CD

[calm ice]

WHO EVEN DESIGN A CHARACTER WITHOUT A WAY TO GENERATE THEIR OWN PARTICLE

[noble elbow]

for sub dps i've been thinking 2pc millelith 2pc atk%, hp/electro/crit

[spare torrent]

Don't need particles if you never use her burst.

[tawdry bone]

Barbara Gaming

[calm ice]

Based. Elemental skill bot

[tiny sedge]

Hope her skill is generate lots of energy, attacking a lot, like Fischl energy ?

[little charm]

We don't know

[calm ice]

All we need is to proc ToTM and shes done

[gaunt pivot]

wdym just 💳 for energy cons (well, noelle is a main dps in disguise she doesn't count)

[spare torrent]

I like how there are clearly two Shinobu camps.

[upbeat acorn]

Makes me a bit sad how Shinobu gets 150 elemental mastery for herself when almost dead at c6 but someone like diona gives 200 to her team by just ulting at c6

[brittle radish]

What's a funny DPS Kuki build

[shrewd crescent]

Weapon?

[calm ice]

Typical hoyo making a problem and selling the solution

[shrewd crescent]

Wait

[spare torrent]

The "this is the support I've been waiting for" camp and the "I just want her to do damage" camp.

[upbeat acorn]

I really want her last constellation at least to change ngl

[shrewd crescent]

Kuki's E hits 8 times correct?

[simple cypress]

4TF full EM

[shrewd crescent]

What if its 1 particle per 2 hits?

[brittle radish]

Ty! 💚

[amber plover]

Could be 50/50 too

[shrewd crescent]

Or 1 particle per 3 hits

[little charm]

Wait how do we know this

[tawdry bone]

Reminds me of how back during the ancient times of Diluc TC, people pulled for r5 Fav so Noelle could self battery.

[spare torrent]

That'd be good at C2 when she hits 10×.

[simple cypress]

I have no idea if it will be good.. like at all.. but that's what I'm gonna try to do

[brittle radish]

Some people used the bell on Noelle and said it was good :)

[shrewd crescent]

Every 1.5 seconds it deals damage. Lasts for 12 seconds

[gaunt pivot]

hopefully the different yelan cons versions means they are going away from this(english has a energy cons, chinese doesn't)

[brittle radish]

Better than nothing :)

[spare torrent]

They what.

[shrewd crescent]

I'm trying to be realistic with particle gen and Hoyoverse

Hmm.

[muted isle]

What's good f2p weapon option for her?

[tiny sedge]

Iron Sting is help for her damage and heal from A4, but probably it is not strong if it is still attack% scaling ?

[tawdry bone]

Can't go wrong with fav

[spare torrent]

Yeah, Iron Sting's probably the best F2P option atm.

[shrewd crescent]

1 particle every 3 hits with a 50% chance to spawn another particle?

[tiny sedge]

Does EM seem to be important, or is it just okay bonus like a Yae

[calm ice]

waiting faster for 🍪 footage

[upbeat acorn]

Probably just nice to get on sub stats but not worth focusing on

[muted isle]

It's not important, just a little bonus, so focusing on Hp is better

[shrewd crescent]

For now I interpret it as a bonus

[gaunt pivot]

apparently beidou + bell is one of the strongest shields in the game

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you, so maybe prefer ER weapon than Iron Sting

[muted isle]

Will it happen when beta officially start?

[brittle radish]

[shrewd crescent]

@subtle finch
How does Kuki generating 1 particle per 3 hits or 4.5 seconds with a x% chance to generate another particle sound? Allows her to generate 3 particles minimum with c2

And it seems like something Hoyoverse would do

[subtle finch]

idk

[shrewd crescent]

You're supposed to be the smart one

[subtle finch]

im writing xinyan guide atm

cant rlly evaluate fanfic rn

[calm ice]

No idea. Do we have any info if the dudes are already working on the footage?

[subtle finch]

[little charm]

why speculate gen rn

[shrewd crescent]

Oh my bad. Carry on

[tawdry bone]

D-did... did you manage to save her?

[shrewd crescent]

I wanna see how much I can abuse particle gen

[muted isle]

They said Hoyoverse changed something and they can't make footages because of it

[shrewd crescent]

Best case scenario: 1 particle per hit

[spare torrent]

Yeah, we should be generating speculation, not speculating generation.

[muted isle]

So 8-10 particles in 1 E? That's op

[upbeat acorn]

It's ok of she doesn't do that much damage, just use an r5 freedom sworn and make her give nice buffs with totm

[shrewd crescent]

Hence why it's the best case scenario

Realistic scenario: no particles

[little charm]

Electro qiqi??

[gaunt pivot]

kinda

[muted isle]

How many particles does Fischl generate in 1 E?

[spare torrent]

.66 per hit on average.

[upbeat acorn]

Worst case scenario where all shinobu offers by herself is electro application and healing, is there any team rn which would want her

Maybe a Eula one for comfort right?

[muted isle]

Qiqi moment

[tiny sedge]

Maybe as taser option healer, but I think taser team it more focus in pure damage from Fischl/beidou than EC reaction?

[little charm]

isnt exactly what she does? What else can she do

[spare torrent]

Yes. Phys DPS superconduct Zhongli would benefit greatly. Just do Pale Flame Zhongli/Yun Jin/Rosaria/ToM Shinobu. Legit a perfect comp.

[upbeat acorn]

Possibly damage depending on ult ticks

[tiny sedge]

Possible damage and good energy

[muted isle]

Yeah, maybe big ult dmg

[spare torrent]

Pure Pyro?

[tawdry bone]

not unless something is very wrong

[little charm]

i see

[muted isle]

Will we ever get something like Ayaka's 4000% Q dmg

[little charm]

On a 4 star? 🧐

[gaunt pivot]

the alternative would be QiQi/Fischl? Or some cope with proto amber?

[muted isle]

I mean generally
But now that you mention it, what's the highest Q scaling that a 4* has? Xiangling? Beidou?

[tawdry bone]

Isn't Lisa's Q pretty close if you can get stuff close enough for the AoE to work?

[little charm]

We can hope 🙏

[muted isle]

Yelan looks so good now right?

[upbeat acorn]

Yelan looks awkward to play to me but will probably be strong

[muted isle]

Let's hop into her tc channel

I suck at tc so i usually just lurk around lol

[shrewd crescent]

I think 10

Wait that's the number of times Oz hits. I'll go check rn actually

Like 4-6

[subtle finch]

Oz hits every second he’s out

[subtle finch]

6-7 average before c6, 7-8 average after iirc

[shrewd crescent]

It's usually around 10 hits before c6 right?

[subtle finch]

It’s exactly 10 hits unless you use Q before the first Oz is done

[shrewd crescent]

I feel proud for remembering that. Also how's 16k oz summon with TS

Inappropriate channel to ask yes but I'm curious

[spare torrent]

Hm, so, how does Zhongli E > Shinobu E > Yun Jin EQ > Rosaria EQ > Zhongli NA5D×4 E sound like for a rotation?

[shrewd crescent]

Sounds good imo. I was wondering why not Rosaria EQ then Yunjin but forgot about Rosaria's crit passive and thought her ult lasted longer

[spare torrent]

Yeah.

Yun Jin's uptime is long enough that you should still be able to switch to Rosa and then Zhongli and still have enough time to get 30 hits off before her burst ends if you're fast enough.

Just barely though

[fast rapids]

if you count beidou yes

[fast rapids]

[sonic lily]

Would Kuki be helpful as a support on a team with Yae off field? Like would it help with recharging her energy?

[nocturne plover]

we don’t know how many particles she can generate 🤷

[fast rapids]

no idea about particle gen

[sonic lily]

Ah okay I wasn't sure, thanks

[main bay]

Ive been in yelan tc, so im behind on kuki. Do we have any strong guesses yet how this barrier burst works?

The durations seems incredible short

[gaunt pivot]

some "could be like amber burst" copium, because it is the same duration

[keen sinew]

nah its not copium because that burst would be the worst burst in the game if its just one hit

[gaunt pivot]

definitely, but we have zero info, so we can only cope

[long frigate]

it changes duration

so it obviously has multiple ticks

it sjust a question of how often

[keen sinew]

^

[long frigate]

i think 0.5s is likely

[keen sinew]

Yea most likely

[gaunt pivot]

and someone said it could be really broken if it was 18 hits in 2s or 31 hits in 3.5s

[gaunt pivot]

if you agree with 4 hits then 18 hits is copium

[long frigate]

i think even with 7 hits it'd be pretty decent

[noble elbow]

what are people thinking as bis for shinobu atm

[spare torrent]

ToM tbh.

Her E moves with the active character, does DoT, and has no downtime once she's C2.

[tiny sedge]

If Kuki E it move with active character, it is similar to Gorou burst then ? Think maybe Favonius or Sacrificial sword is better on her ? If I have both

[spare torrent]

Shinobu E probably has a small radius, unlike Gorou's burst.

If you care about her burst uptime, Fav/Sac might be fine. Otherwise, would just go for Iron Sting (unless you can spare PJC or FreedomSworn) for her A4.

[tiny sedge]

Okay, it depend if her burst is strong or not if she want ER weapon then

There is no HP sword ? For improve heal?

[spare torrent]

Yeah, and even then, depends on the comp.

And her particle gen.

[tiny sedge]

Burst is only 60 cost so maybe not need so much

[little forge]

Wasn't there some 3* HP sword?

[spare torrent]

Only Primordial Jade Cutter, which only gives you 20% HP at R1. So, that's 2457.8 extra HP at level 90, which is 147.468 extra healing per tick at level 12 E. Iron Sting should be 123.75 extra healing per tick (independent of level), and Freedom-Sworn should be 148.5.

But the EM scaling weapons will also boost damage.

[little forge]

I don't remember the exact name. Traveller's handy sword, no?

[spare torrent]

That's DEF%.

[little forge]

Ah, sad

We need more 4* HP weapons

[spare torrent]

We need HP swords in general. lol

[keen sinew]

they really need to make more weapons in general

[little forge]

And bows with spears

[rare abyss]

Sup

[patent ravine]

What teams is Kuki good in just eula ones?

[keen sinew]

like we need new weapon sets every 2 patches at least

[spare torrent]

But yeah, it kinda seems like Freedom-Sworn is her BiS weapon, but imagine having that and being able to spare it for Shinobu. lol

[little forge]

And not locked behind weapon banner

[patent ravine]

Maybe sting?

The craftable one

It seems fine

[little forge]

Maybe dark iron sword?

[spare torrent]

I came up with using her with Pale Flame Zhongli/Rosaria/Yun Jin as a ToM user/to proc superconduct.

But idk how much DPS that comp has. lol

[patent ravine]

Hm

[little forge]

Completely free so you don't even waste a billet

[patent ravine]

Looks like she may be good in superconduct teams

[keen sinew]

i honestly will probably give her iron sting or festering

[spare torrent]

Yeah, maybe I'll level Dark Iron Sword for her. lol

[little forge]

Yeah!

Time to start black iron sword cult

[tiny sedge]

Dark iron sword it is less of EM than a Iron Sting ? But it is Electro effect

[little forge]

Only 10 points difference If I remember correctly

[spare torrent]

Yeah, it'll give her some ATK%. lol

[tiny sedge]

Increased attack may not be strong if it is snapshot on E

[little forge]

At max levels

[keen sinew]

she can't even use it though

because of the passive

wait im dumb

[idle stream]

Iron sting or alley flash?

[keen sinew]

NVM

[tiny sedge]

Alley flash it is only 50 EM I thought

Maybe it is best only craft more iron sting or give ER weapon

[rare abyss]

would sac sword work on her

[keen sinew]

can the dark iron passive proc off field?

[idle stream]

Her em dmg passive only on e or including q

[keen sinew]

yes

[rare abyss]

that's good then

[tiny sedge]

Sac Sword it work but maybe not needed , her cooldown it is okay downtime , not like Qiqi

[spare torrent]

(401+212)*1.2=735.6 (Dark Iron Sword base attack plus ATK% bonus) vs 722 base attack with Iron Sting. Don't think Dark Iron Sword's passive is worth it. lol

[tiny sedge]

Fav sword if she is have crit rate can be better

[rare abyss]

She also has a passive about crit rate right

[spare torrent]

Her passive is HP%.

[rare abyss]

Imma just check her kit again

[spare torrent]

Yelan has the crit rate passive.

If we could get an R5 Dark Iron Sword, might be worth it. lol

[keen sinew]

yea but that will never happen

[little forge]

Hmm...then I will give dark iron word to Kazuha

[spare torrent]

I mean, just forge two Iron Stings. I don't think anyone actually care about its passive.

So not worth refining.

[little forge]

Nah, I don't want to spend my last sword billet

[noble elbow]

is heart's repose a flat dmg buff or a percent damage buff?

[little forge]

And I don't want to overuse weapons

It's dumb I know

[keen sinew]

i mean billet weapons won't ever be that good

[little forge]

But this is for diversity's sake

[rare abyss]

Yeah my bad, just went and saw her kit

[keen sinew]

like idk why the make billets drops so low like it took me 4 months to get 1

[little forge]

I think some of them are pretty decent

[keen sinew]

only reason you should ever hold onto billets is when we go to the next nation

if the billets weapons aren't good you should just use them

[little forge]

Crescent pike, bow prototype, amenoma, hakushin

[rare abyss]

what could be a good build for her ? 4pc Tenacity ?

[little forge]

Seems like that for now

[keen sinew]

if only her skill dmg had hp scaling

[rare abyss]

ah rips

it's still beta maybe they'll change it COUGH COUGH

[tiny sedge]

There is a billet trove in chasm

If need iron sting

[keen sinew]

maybe but they are making her to be a healer so idk if she gonna get a lot of changes

[rare abyss]

i hope so

I really hope so

[keen sinew]

like i was hoping when i saw the "Jack of all trades" as a description for her she was gonna be somewhat like bennet

[idle stream]

They removed the jack of all trades kekw

[little forge]

I've just understood one thing. She's the only 4* healer fully utilizing TotM, am I right?

[spare torrent]

I think the best we can hope for is an improved A4.

[real yoke]

yes out of 4 stars 100%

Diona, Benny, Barbs, XQ,

did i miss someone

[little forge]

Sayu

[real yoke]

rt

[calm ice]

FULLY

[real yoke]

ik what you said i’m just trying to rmm who else there is

oh that wasn’t you

[little forge]

Is Noelle considered a healer in the community?

[real yoke]

but anyway

[keen sinew]

yea her a4 honestly is her strongest con to me

[real yoke]

ofc

but she’s also not one who can use totm cause def scaling

[little forge]

I just don't know what people think of her before c6

[keen sinew]

yea when she has her skill of cd

[calm ice]

🍪 footage when

[real yoke]

soon according to suya

[rare abyss]

We want gameplay! We want gameplay

[tiny sedge]

I used Qiqi sac sword with Tenacity before Ocean set

[torpid oak]

Is Shinobu’s A4 meant to be 75% of EM as in with 100em she adds 75 to her healing, or as in with 100em she increases her healing by 75%?

[real yoke]

they said some time today

[tiny sedge]

If refinement is high and use E next to enemy it is consistent

[hot hornet]

[hot hornet]

Really? Don't get my hopes up :trolldespair:

[spare torrent]

Tbh, who else has a DoT E with 100% uptime that moves with the active character?

[calm ice]

I think so yeah

[real yoke]

yes it’s there in #853474886047629323

[calm ice]

The first one 😭

[torpid oak]

To which one?

[spare torrent]

Oh wait.

Xinyan.

[real yoke]

@tawdry bone am i lying

[tiny sedge]

Raiden 100% uptime but it is waste 🙃

[hot hornet]

Yeah just saw it

Thank you

[calm ice]

Thats why its pretty copium to build around EM KEK

[rare abyss]

We forgot about her, AGAIN

[tawdry bone]

😭

[hot hornet]

:ayayaflower:

[little forge]

Qiqi if you're lucky with sac procs? Is there still any downtime?

[torpid oak]

If that ends up being true, then her A4 is beyond worthless

[real yoke]

i sorry but

[spare torrent]

Oh, right. That's true.

[calm ice]

It's just nice to have. So any EM roll on your arti is not a dead stat

[real yoke]

no i 100% did too but that’s true

[tawdry bone]

nooo its okay

[tiny sedge]

So Iron Sting 90 is 167 EM, add 125 HP to heal, but scale with her healing bonus passive also

Still bad

[torpid oak]

Arguably with the split damage scaling & the pitiful extra healing, it’s just as much of a dead stat as it was before

[spare torrent]

What comps did Qiqi even use ToM in?

[little forge]

What comps use QiQi in the first place

[spare torrent]

Yeah, exactly. lol

[tiny sedge]

I use it Qiqi taser for fun but it is not strong

Ocean clam so much stronger

[real yoke]

honestly

[calm ice]

I mean with 1000 EM that's 750 base heal. POG

[simple cypress]

Qiqi comps

[little forge]

Valid

[rose tiger]

qiqi clam taser

[tawdry bone]

please be patient everyone, give leaks team more time<3 shinobu/yelan gameplay should be today, it will be posting in #791659074253094933

[rose tiger]

[spare torrent]

Chinese today or US today?

[hot hornet]

[torpid oak]

And how do you get 1000em without sacrificing basically every other stat?

[calm ice]

[tiny sedge]

Her heal is already each 1.5 seconds with good uptime , maybe best just to get ER sword instead of EM

[spare torrent]

I doubt I'll use her Q unless it's like... broken.

[tiny sedge]

Probably DPS loss ?

[real yoke]

maybe they were calcing this earlier anyway

[calm ice]

Maybe, overload 🍪 ain't too copium afterall?

[tiny sedge]

She is fast animation hopefully, only 4* unlike example Zhongli burst

[calm ice]

[real yoke]

yes likely so, it was barely an increase in dmg in comp to her skill

[keen sinew]

not really a dps loss since its gonna be a quick animation since she just stabs the floor

[real yoke]

but ofc those are early calcs so

why can’t i talk

[torpid oak]

Honestly you would get more out of just cope stacking triple HP%

[calm ice]

Based

[spare torrent]

Look, if I wanna run Shinobu/Sucrose/Diona/Albedo, I'm gonna.

[torpid oak]

All that for an extra 750 healing every 1.5 seconds

[spare torrent]

[calm ice]

All for the extra 750 healing yes hmm

[keen sinew]

like they need to make sig weapons for 4 stars and stop making them banner/event only

[night imp]

what im confused

[calm ice]

I wonder what reaction we'll have with electro and dendro

[night imp]

I love when people

[little forge]

Fischl has a signature...why is she so special

[calm ice]

Maybe it's EM base and will change the meta

[night imp]

shes in 2 games too and strong in both

[spare torrent]

Childe has three signature weapons.

[little forge]

(i know, because waltz is also used in honkai)

[calm ice]

Ehem

Yae

[rose tiger]

she deserves it

[calm ice]

Shinobu

[tiny sedge]

Her heal seem already strong, does not need Healing circlet I think

[torpid oak]

Because she’s the PRINZESSIN DER VERURTEILUNG! Duh

[little forge]

I like her in honkai more though

[tiny sedge]

Fischl Honkai it is so pretty attacks

[calm ice]

Tbh I'd rather stack HP with some Crit and ER here and there than EM

[keen sinew]

well yea but if we got to pick from the 3, than polar star is his real sig since it ties with his lore and kit

[rose tiger]

polar also the drippiest

[torpid oak]

Building EM on Shinobu is about as useful as building EM on Lisa, ||it’s not ||

[night imp]

yeah but shes a queen and thats obvious, barbara and fischl are mihoyos most loved 4 stars

[little forge]

Why?

[tiny sedge]

Most important information to wait for it is just how the burst attacks, right ? And also maybe energy particle ?

To know if burst is strong DPS or no

[little forge]

Seems like it

[spare torrent]

And all the changes to her kit over the coming weeks.

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you !

[simple cypress]

burst will either be pretty good or complete trash :>

[spare torrent]

It might be pretty and complete trash though.

[small turtle]

@subtle finch ill check HB circlet

[calm ice]

I'll consider us lucky if they even dare buffing her.

[small turtle]

But iirc hp is better since she doesnt benefit from hb

[calm ice]

Knowing them, they won't because kuki is only a 4 star

And probably won't increase their sale anyways

[torpid oak]

They’ve buffed 4*’s in past betas though iirc

[keen sinew]

that if they don't do good in the role they want the character to play as

[spare torrent]

Yeah, Thoma's C4 got a buff to be 15 flat energy instead of 1 energy per Q proc.

[calm ice]

Hoping kuki will also have hers

[keen sinew]

kuki might not get much since she is meant to be healer

[little forge]

I forgot that Thoma was even buffed during beta...

[spare torrent]

Very mild buff, but yeah. lol

[torpid oak]

Looking at her cons & A4 they seem to want her to be capable of some damage though

Not strictly healing alone

[simple cypress]

what would c6 even be good for? like strategically?

[keen sinew]

true. plus if they want her to do some damage let her have some hp scaling on her skill dmg, up the hp scaling on burst, and up hp scaling for her passive or change the proc cd on her a4

[torpid oak]

Honestly, I would take HP% scaling on her skill Dmg and as long as the burst hits enough times it should be fine, aside from that I would have her A4 completely reworked

[keen sinew]

I don't see much value to c6 at all

[torpid oak]

Basically only novelty & if you accidentally get one shot in abyss while Kuki is out tbh

[simple cypress]

switch to kuki as a defensive strat when youre about to get one shotted

[long frigate]

basically a beidou parry

[keen sinew]

yea but is that even worth to c6

[simple cypress]

no more skill issue against raiden's big slap

[keen sinew]

they most likely will have to change c6

[torpid oak]

Sure, if Beidou’s parry gave you paltry bonus flat healing & Dmg bonus to something she can’t really deal damage with

[simple cypress]

that's just the way the kuki crumbles

[torpid oak]

My realistic hope is skill damage becoming HP% scaling, A4 or Con changes feel a bit too for me

[keen sinew]

will she proc her c6 with her skill hp loss?

[torpid oak]

If you use it 4 times in a row

[keen sinew]

yea then c6 is garbage because you won't want her that low

plus you would lose out on dps if you keep her on field just to heal her for a few seconds

[simple cypress]

corrosion is actually a kuki buff

[keen sinew]

yea its both a buff and weakness

[simple cypress]

it's gonna get kuki closer to that sweet 150 em so kuki can use the extra 112 hp to patch herself back up

[spare torrent]

C6 Shinobu vs the Shogun. Shinobu just tanks The Final Calamity.

[keen sinew]

like what am i gonna do with 75% healing based on my em on her if when em is normal a stat i have less than 100?

[gaunt pivot]

can someone hear from some 🐦 in beta, the f* kuki's burst does(how many times it hits)

[torpid oak]

Beta hasn’t officially started yet, all the leaks we have now are from datamining the client or insiders

[gaunt pivot]

oh I see...

[spare torrent]

Has it unofficially started then?

[gaunt pivot]

beta preload

[keen sinew]

beta should be starting this week right?

[torpid oak]

The testers usually get the client to download about a day before the actual beta starts; as far as I’m aware that’s what leakers usually datamine

[tawdry bone]

in like 2 hours

[keen sinew]

ok when there is leaks @ me

[fleet talon]

is the hp scaling worth for burst/healer hybrid or purely invest on healer?

i have tenacity and wanderers that could be saved up for her

[keen sinew]

Well it depends if her burst is multi ticks or not

[fleet talon]

hmm but 4* gacha is gonna destroy me.......

[keen sinew]

since her burst is either 2s or 3.5s when less than 50% hp, if her burst ticks every .5s for damage she doing 4 or 7 ticks of damage

[fleet talon]

it says continuos electro dmg but doesnt specify how many ticks

damn how do you spell that

continouos

continuous

[keen sinew]

we are guessing she is doing dmg every .5s

[unique sphinx]

Welp her dmg is pretty meh then

And she suffers from split scaling so I wouldn't expect her E to do much other than healing either

[keen sinew]

with lvl 12 burst she doing 2160 a tick, so with 4 ticks its 8640, and with 7 its 15120

[unique sphinx]

Hope she works well as a battery cuz that's kind of what we need in quite a few EC teams

[keen sinew]

Like with her kit they would need to up her hp scaling on burst, give her skill dmg hp scaling, and either change hp scaling on her A4 or change the timing it can proc again for her to be set to me

[unique sphinx]

All they need to do is get rid of the split scaling imo

And she would be great

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cookie-adventure-time-gif-5334239

[spare torrent]

If her A4 just changed to be HP scaling to her E damage and they adjusted her E heals and Q damage to go off a slightly higher HP%, that'd be perfect.

[torpid oak]

We can cope with the fact that Hoyo usually lowballs the starting kits in beta and buffs them as it progresses

[keen sinew]

yea but the fact they would even release the kit that bad in the beta is very eyebrow raising even if they will change later on

[spare torrent]

I mean, Shinobu's kit isn't as bad as Miko or Ayato's were.

I can still see a clear niche she can fill.

[torpid oak]

I mean, Ayato was at the start too

[keen sinew]

true

but look at my man now

one of the best units

[fast rapids]

yae's v1 kit was

[small turtle]

we still have 6 weeks

[fast rapids]

trust on pre load

shinobu will have insane scalings

shit I'm out of copium gas can someone pass some

[spare torrent]

[small turtle]

i just dont believe they released yelan being hyper active in her kit and kuki being a electro barbara

in the first week

[spare torrent]

Wait, hey now. She's not as bad as Barbara.

[keen sinew]

kuki is better than barb since she not apply element onto you

[small turtle]

at least barbs CA does dmg

im just waiting for changes

cause i dont believe they will just release her like this on the first beta drops

[keen sinew]

like kuki doesn't need much changes

it mainly scaling changes

[small turtle]

im working on a healing mastersheet cause rn, its her best role

[keen sinew]

that we would want

[small turtle]

she needs changes with her A4 passive, its useless

its like budget yae a4 passive

it forces you to roll 3 stats on her, which is

lets make that 5 including crits

[shrewd crescent]

Exactly. It's so weird how Hoyo has the braincells to make Yelan and had no braincells when making Kuki

[small turtle]

armpits win

[shrewd crescent]

They'll learn about thigh supremacy one day

[keen sinew]

yea A4 needs a huge change

[shrewd crescent]

And good particle gen

[keen sinew]

like why they keep slapping em passives on electro

[shrewd crescent]

I'm still betting on one of the proposed options I had

[shrewd crescent]

Dendro

[small turtle]

ig if building her for heals, you go HP and EM rolls and just ignore dmg

but as of how genshin is rn

dmg is everything

[spare torrent]

On the other hand, there are no HP% swords besides PJC, so putting Iron Sting on her is kinda fine considering?

[slim tangle]

looking at her kit, 4 piece Tenacity would be the best for her right?

[keen sinew]

yes

[slim tangle]

since her E can proc it off field

[small turtle]

i would actually recommened festering or sac sword

[slim tangle]

aight ty

[small turtle]

for her ER

[spare torrent]

It's not just that 4pc Tenacity is best for her, she's probably the best to use 4pc Tenacity on.

[slim tangle]

I need her to be in the 1st half with Yelan

[keen sinew]

yea she is really the best unit for 4pc tenacity

[shrewd crescent]

But

It looks ugly

[spare torrent]

Not gonna lie, probably gonna use her as heal bot 'cause even if her burst does ok damage, it's probably a DPS loss overall in the comp I've got in mind.

[shrewd crescent]

I'm using Amenoma. I can't use an ugly sword on Kuki it would hurt my soul

[spare torrent]

Amenoma for energy + burst scaling might make sense tbh.

[keen sinew]

how is it dps loss? won't it be quick since like a 1-2s animation since she just gonna stab the floor

[spare torrent]

Because the carry I'm gonna use can attack like 3-4 times per second on average.

[keen sinew]

ah

[real yoke]

W

[spare torrent]

Hypercarry Zhongli here I come.

[real yoke]

that’s true but i wish she had some extra utility to make it more worth like rosa’s extra Cr

but i mean not everyone can be the next benny so

she seems fine just can’t wait to see how she’ll change

[spare torrent]

But yeah, I'm looking at like a 15s rotation using Zhongli E > Kuki E > Rosaria EQ > Yun Jin EQ > Zhongli NA5D×4 E.

Been trying to figure out a good superconduct comp using Yun Jin for a while, but Physchl seems kinda scuffed there and Zhongli as DPS meant no good ToM user.

In comes Shinobu answering my prayers.

[fast rapids]

hey we still haven't calced physical dps kuki

[spare torrent]

Sorry I keep bringing this up, just so hyped

[fast rapids]

trust me shinobu + diona + yunjin + zhongli will be good

[spare torrent]

Why Diona there? Rosaria 'cause phys shred and crit buff.

[fast rapids]

Em boost + universal shred + superconduct + clam and normal attack dmg

seems good in theory no?

"theory"

[fast rapids]

maybe rosaria instead

[alpine dock]

We are getting a video soon kuki enjoyers

[shrewd crescent]

Kuki Kopers*

[small turtle]

alright give us 10 hits per 0.5 sec

[haughty dew]

4 star meta

[fast rapids]

yes pls

[tiny sedge]

What is the team niche that Kuki is good in ? Or she seem as more universal, because of heal and a Tenacity set

[tropic jacinth]

Its gonna look better than Yelan

[tiny sedge]

Seem hard to compare because example as Bennett is both of heal and attack buff

[alpine dock]

[real yoke]

wooo

[simple cypress]

I imagine Kuki would be well received in non-Kokomi taser teams.. can't think of much more beyond being a generic healer

[shrewd crescent]

Think bigger

One hit every 0.25 seconds

8 or 14 hits

[fast rapids]

remember it's 60 energy cost

don't expect too big

[tropic jacinth]

Onehit every 0.8 like Raidens E

[fast rapids]

ganyu doesn't count

[shrewd crescent]

We'll cope and it'll be 0.5

[haughty dew]

Man if only we can combine Shinobu and Sara, boom electro Bennett

[real yoke]

imagine

[haughty dew]

Gonna stay on copium

[keen sinew]

man when can we kuki wanters eat good? I need her gameplay

[simple cypress]

Bennett QE > Kokomi E > Kuki QE > Sayu Q hE, absorb pyro, roll around in the soup

It's a mono-healer team
OverHealerVape

You can't die
And if you're about to get one shot, just switch to c6 Kuki right before you get slapped, then laugh in additional 150 EM for the next rotation

I think we can conclude all Kuki TCing from here on out

[tropic jacinth]

Its coming wait for Abc and Uba

[shrewd crescent]

What a madlad

[fast rapids]

I have an idea

[hollow belfry]

you could replace sayu for jean and get sunfire

[fast rapids]

C6 bennett jean and shinobu

[simple cypress]

WELL I GUESS

[fast rapids]

apply pyro for overload spam

[simple cypress]

I would c6 bennett for this

[fast rapids]

you can already apply pyro fast enough with c5

[dark geyser]

Jean when

[dark geyser]

I want to do this too

[fast rapids]

what if

reaction soup

I'm out of ideas

[simple cypress]

what if

reaction soup but phys

[fast rapids]

shinobu yelan zhongli bennett

[shrewd crescent]

If Shinobu hits fast I'm using her with yunjin

[haughty dew]

If Shinobu hits fast I might abandon my Phys Fischl idea lmao

[hollow belfry]

hopefully kuki can produce enough particles for yae

[haughty dew]

Yae battery copium

[fast rapids]

she has 4 hit attack string

[simple cypress]

It would be a shame if the first electro healer can't even battery

[hollow belfry]

we could run yae+kuki+any non selfish dps aka ning and etc

[robust timber]

i mean if we look at all the other chars with a similar skill to kuki

aka barbara and qiqi

they both got

zero gen

[simple cypress]

but this time it's electro :<

[robust timber]

yea thats my last shred of hopium basically

[small turtle]

wait

i may have underestimated her A4

[orchid folio]

for healing?

[small turtle]

[orchid folio]

I think it might scale separately from HB

in which case it could be OK

[small turtle]

yeah i am adding it with hb atm

cause it says healing amounts

it could be additive to the first section of the formula

[robust timber]

yah it says healing amount but her low hp passive says healing bonus

so theres a good chance its separate

[small turtle]

so it goes like this

(hp x mv + additive healing) x (1+hb%)

yeah its separate

cause 200 em gives a lot

[simple cypress]

That's similar to how I calc Sayu's c6, so I imagined that's how it works for Kuki

and apparently a full EM Kuki can still heal an okay amount

[orchid folio]

Sayu C6 is worded differently

[fast rapids]

em is additive healing right

[small turtle]

yeah A4

[fast rapids]

dmg might also be the same

[small turtle]

cause desc said healing amounts

in dmg i think its still multiplicative

[fast rapids]

like

dmg bonus or mv%?

[small turtle]

dmg bonus

[fast rapids]

100 em would be nutty

[small turtle]

it says dmg so i am assuming its like SS passive

[simple cypress]

I assumed flat dmg

[small turtle]

now i wonder

[orchid folio]

150 EM is not a big enough buff for a C6

if it's all additive

tbh

[small turtle]

yeah

thats why i assume the dmg portion of a4 is multiplicative

[simple cypress]

c6 is just useless

[orchid folio]

I don't know if there's any way to differentiate additive or multiplicative boosts in the language

[fast rapids]

what's kokos description

[orchid folio]

koko is dramatically different

[fast rapids]

hmm so not unboosted dmg?

[fast rapids]

Q is dmg is increased based on her max hp

yae's em passive is

"will increase sesshou sakura damage by 0.15%"

oh dear

[orchid folio]

maybe the chinese will elucidate

[fast rapids]

oh right en translation always pepega

[small turtle]

does clam account enemy def and phys shred?

[fast rapids]

enemy def no

phys shred yes

its like reactions

[unique sphinx]

Alright Yelan gameplay is out where's Shinobu's at

[real yoke]

still waiting

[supple snow]

Kuki shinobu gameplay when

[shrewd crescent]

Chinese looks to be the same

[tiny sedge]

I notice, Kuki has no way to heal for co op also right? It is only to active character, and it would heal Kuki herself and make damage worse for Q 🙃 It seem selfish and bad

Or if Sanctifying Ring go to all members but it does not seem likely

[small turtle]

maybe description needs further explanation

[tiny sedge]

I hope, she have a way to heal in co op at least :(
Why she is so bad

[small turtle]

not on the healing department

just done healing mastersheet

idk if i have the right numbers

[tiny sedge]

Oh, is it compare well to other healer ?

[small turtle]

just to see her healing numbers

[tiny sedge]

Her heal activate fast at 1.5 seconds

[small turtle]

cause rn, its the only thing that saves her

unless her Q hits 10 times in 0.5 seconds

[real yoke]

ik someone said earlier that Kuki could sub in for Zhongli in Itto mono geo but are there any other teams rn like mono electro could work?

[tiny sedge]

[simple cypress]

what did you find about her heals? they seem about average to me

[small turtle]

im still getting them checked by other tcers

[fast rapids]

wrong channel mb

I cant read

[tiny sedge]

Zhongli give shield and resistance down, and ToM buff also, but I think Kuki can be budget option ?

[small turtle]

but take it as a grain of salt, Maiden in terms of healing > Clam

[tiny sedge]

Main idea is taser option

[real yoke]

yeh definitely they both hold totm and she can heal

[simple cypress]

could you also look at EM too? other people and I have found that a full EM build can heal nearly as well as an HP build, and that feels weird to me

[real yoke]

something with who? Childe?

or yelan?

[small turtle]

also EM weapons looks promising

[tiny sedge]

Like Ayato, Childe, Sucrose, just not Kokomi because too much heal

[glad harness]

Sayu full EM can heal nearly as much as ATK too.

[shrewd crescent]

Why cant we get a cool looking inazuma em sword

[tiny sedge]

Sayu at C6 EM heal is good as attack build normal

I think have almost 100% heal uptime with Kuki is very good, with no need on ER like a Bennett or Kokomi, or need for a Sacrificial sword like Qiqi

It is also not in circle only it is follow character

[small turtle]

im still waiting for Q and E showcase so i can start on the DMG mastersheet

[simple cypress]

Sayu felt right because she scaled on EM
Kuki scales with HP but has that odd ascension passive

[tiny sedge]

What is Kuki ascension stats ?

[fast rapids]

hp

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you

[simple cypress]

the way I currently see it, if burst ends up being bad and EM does actually heal almost as good as HP, a full EM build might be viable in EC or OL

[orchid folio]

I mean what team wants OL procs that doesn't already have a healer is the question

[tiny sedge]

Hope she has good ICD on E though... If it is bad then not so much electro application for reaction

[orchid folio]

XL + Bennett is kind of assumed for pyro application, or at least Bennett + Kazuha

[subtle finch]

kuki gameplay modcheck

[glad harness]

Even if she doesn't build HP, she already has 24%HP ascension passive, and the flat healing from skill level is decent as well.

[fast rapids]

none

[simple cypress]

Yeah.. she pretty much has a good base to start from

[orchid folio]

Buff Kuki
Nerf Yelan

[small turtle]

[glad harness]

If E doesn't have ICD, then OL potential is massive

[torpid oak]

Still no Shinobu footage?

[shrewd crescent]

Bias

[simple cypress]

You can also see it as another option away from Bennett dependency

[small turtle]

i guess footage of shinobu is quite hard

10 q tick per 0.5 second maybe????

[tiny sedge]

If it is standard ICD then 4.5 second for a electro application or reaction ? Is it bad

[glad harness]

max 3 second. It's either 3 hits or after 2.5 second.

it's not bad

[tiny sedge]

Oh I forget the 2.5 second, only was count the 3 hit thank you

[small turtle]

should be alternating

c2 has 10 ticks of her E

15 second

[glad harness]

And the fact that it's not Q dependent and follows you around is very good for overload

[small turtle]

so 5 ticks of her E applys electro if standard icd

[tiny sedge]

Yes I hope it is big range to target

At least big for same range as Ayato slash

[simple cypress]

And then there's c4

[fast rapids]

70 ticks in 3.5s momen

[glad harness]

should be a bit more, if c4 then can get around 9-10 overload per 20 sec rotation if default ICD

[tiny sedge]

C4 should be also count as skill damage, similar as Fischl A4 ?

[glad harness]

if E has no ICD then

[shrewd crescent]

Reminds me of that Xingqiu and Albedo bug

[tiny sedge]

I hope EM build it is enough heal

[fast rapids]

that was funny

[tiny sedge]

Farm full EM set again, but in Tenacity instead of the Viridescent 🙃

[glad harness]

it's enough. The only downside is that it's not team-wide heal

[tiny sedge]

She will also want 90 level for HP scaling /Transformative reaction damage

[simple cypress]

The way I and another person calced it, a full EM build should be enough. You can supplement with HP% subs

[plush mirage]

if you're running benn + kuki in an ol team healing shouldnt be a concern

[fast rapids]

true

[tiny sedge]

Okay thank you that seem good

What is good last member for that, Sucrose possibly ?

[glad harness]

I'm thinking of EM Kuki-Xiangling-Kazuha-Amber since I want to free bennett. Kuki ult to Amber ult should be fun

[plush mirage]

7 overloads

[simple cypress]

Kokomi Kuki Bennett Sayu

[plush mirage]

well should be possible if you got xl and kaz up beforehand

and it has at least 3 ticks/0.5s

[tiny sedge]

It is all heal team

[glad harness]

oh shoot I forgot about Sayu Xianglinng Kuku rolling

overload ball

[tiny sedge]

I like to do Sayu Xiangling Raiden before, but Kuki is more fast

[fast rapids]

remember

[simple cypress]

mono-healer is meta
Embrace OverHealVape

[fast rapids]

there's this fun thing about ol

once per 0.5s only

so yeah 7 ol is accurate id say

[glad harness]

0.5 sec is extremely fast already

20k per ol so dmg is juicy

[tiny sedge]

If Kuki niche is overload DPS and also electro healer it is fun

Is EM build maybe not as strong for Taser though, because it is inconsistent for who activate reaction ?

[ruby flame]

Is an em or hp sands better for shinobu?

[simple cypress]

Kuki's damage isn't strong anyway so what is there to lose

[tiny sedge]

[subtle finch]

wait how do we know her dmg isnt good?

[simple cypress]

Burst might change that but we'll see

[glad harness]

In taser, then I would run 4pcs instructor and have Fischl take the Tenacity hmm

[subtle finch]

was her q hits confirmed?

[plush mirage]

it still all depends on how many times the ult tick, where hp could be a bettter investment than em in a non overload team

[tiny sedge]

We are discuss E mostly

[simple cypress]

Not yet
This is pre-burst pre-tc

[subtle finch]

tenacity on fischl is usually not good

[remote edge]

no kuki gameplay yet sadge

jus wanna see how her burst hitbox is

meta purposes

[spare torrent]

Yeah, even C6 Fischl is only as good with Tenacity as C0 Shinobu will be.

That extra 3s is a lot.

[ruby flame]

[plush mirage]

nobody knows for sure yet

[tiny sedge]

I do not think we know sure if it is HP or EM preferred

[ruby flame]

Ohhh okie thanks

[orchid folio]

I can check from my calc

what would you run with EM?

[remote edge]

we cant rely on it yet, uba said that the datamined skillsets might not be as accurate rn since it was taken so early, maybe it's not even em at all and even so, the scaling is too tiny to be relevant

i could be wrong

[spare torrent]

As she currently is, her healing scales significantly better with HP.

[plush mirage]

it will be likely hp unless you are running an ol team

[spare torrent]

HP sands should offer 365.3618012 more healing per tick (assuming level 90 with level 13 E). EM sands only 139.875 more per tick.

Idk how many decimals the game's logic goes to

[remote edge]

SAME

where does it go

probably rounded off

[glad harness]

I thinking of putting sacbow on Yelan, pop Kuki E and Xiangling pyronado then run over enemies doing overvape things.

[supple snow]

Do we have number on how much she heals per tick on E

[spare torrent]

I mean, she probably tops out around 3k per tick if you've fully invested her as an E bot.

[supple snow]

3k per tick is not bad

3k per 1.5s without worrying about energy

For me she will be E bot nd ToM holder unless she deals big pp burst dmg

[subtle finch]

praying she does big pp burst damage

[supple snow]

[shrewd crescent]

Hits every 0.25

[subtle finch]

not enough

[simple cypress]

I have her at about 4k heals with HP artifacts, t10, no heal bonus except her own passive

[supple snow]

Her burst scales off atk or hp

[spare torrent]

Hm. With her healing bonus passive active, assuming Iron Sting and HP/HP/HP, I'm getting about 3750 per tick.

That's pretty nice.

[shrewd crescent]

But that's 8 or 14 hits

[simple cypress]

Hp

[spice ice]

No ICD kuki? i want that

[spare torrent]

That's everything maxed.

[subtle finch]

which isnt enough

[shrewd crescent]

0.1 seconds then

It's 35 hits below 50%

Or 20

[subtle finch]

now we are talking

[spare torrent]

35 hits with no ICD.

[shrewd crescent]

I think electro abyss mage hits that fast but damage isn't each hit

If that makes sense

[subtle finch]

would it even matter if that had icd

its not gonna be the one reacting either way hitting that fast

[spare torrent]

Yes, because it would rip through most shields.

[shrewd crescent]

As it should

[forest mulch]

I assume there’s no gameplay yet?

[spare torrent]

Not for Shinobu afaik.

Soon™️.

[forest mulch]

Hopefully

[plush mirage]

Oh yeah shieldbreaking might be a nice niche to have

[small turtle]

still no kuki footage

[plush mirage]

Ngl tho even with footage we might not know how many ticks her q does

[amber plover]

That's so true LMAO

[subtle finch]

why

[plush mirage]

It might not proc if there are no enemies for example

[remote edge]

copium what if its quadratic

[plush mirage]

Or just straight up like amber ult where we won't be able to count until we see the damage procs

[remote edge]

gameplay footage when sob

[plush mirage]

And proxy damage number footage is usually leaked later than just animations like yelan's

[glossy reef]

Do we have any idea of how Shinobu's passive works?

The EM one? I don't know much about how the specific mechanics work, but does it mean like, you get a flat bonus equal to a percentage of EM, or a percentage of EM gives a percentage bonus?

Example: I have 100 EM, so 75% of my EM is 75. Do I gain a +75 to my healing done, or is it a +75% to the healing? Or are we unaware of this?

I don't know if any character has similar wording to her passive or not, which is why I ask.

My only thought is Sayu but it specifically says it adds a certain amount per point of EM

[small turtle]

healing = added healing numbers, not percentage
dmg = percentage

thats what i am assuming

[glossy reef]

No matter how I think of it, the EM doesn't seem very useful to build into

Unless they're both percentage based increases

[small turtle]

the only reason i think the healing is added healing numbers is cause if you build her with 100 em, you get free 75% healing bonus, which is a lot

[glossy reef]

So, general consensus so far, am I right in saying that Shinobu got the short end of the stick here kit wise?

Dual scaler, only sword wielder to have 4 attacks, super short burst duration, skill healing worse than other characters like Qiqi or Barbara?

[small turtle]

on average, how much does barbara heals with her E fully within its duration?

cause rn im getting my healing mastersheet check