kuki-theorycrafting

[lament cargo]

yeah

[plush mirage]

it seems to be hp*7.7% as base damage for each ult tick

[shrewd crescent]

Or TF

[plush mirage]

not (hp*7.7)% remultiplied by attack

[little forge]

Nice to see you again

Any findings?

[shrewd crescent]

I like how her c2 basically gives her team infinite healing

[spiral cairn]

I love kuki so much omg

[small turtle]

she only gets 17k clam procs

[main bay]

Kuki feels like a character that was supposed to be dendro, but dendro not ready

[small turtle]

2 procs in C2

thats fucked

[spiral cairn]

Yeah tbh

[manic umbra]

[lament cargo]

totm >>>

[amber plover]

They're totally hinting at some Dendro interaction with these EM passives on the DoT abilities

[small turtle]

3 healing procs, 8k per clam proc

[amber plover]

I hope so at least

[small turtle]

7 seconds of downtime if 15

[lament cargo]

not worth imo

[shrewd crescent]

Looks like itto making a comeback

[spiral cairn]

That means Yae copium is even more real

[little forge]

So we have both Yae and Kuki as electro interacting with EM

[small turtle]

can hitlag saved it ?

[lament cargo]

skip which is sadge but oh well

[shrewd crescent]

With?

[shrewd crescent]

But Kuki

I need her

[small turtle]

pjc, hp circlet, c2

[shrewd crescent]

But I don't want Itto

[fast rapids]

stacking reaction

[amber plover]

Gorou + Shinobu is all I've ever dreamed of tbh

[shrewd crescent]

You know what, I'd take that tbh. Never cared for healing

[fast rapids]

try c3

c3 should be doable

[small turtle]

welp, looks like standard ADC with another weapon in mind

[shrewd crescent]

So her E has her use her Urumi

[hollow belfry]

more like diluc

[small turtle]

but PJC still BiS i think

gives everything she needs for her kit

[rotund moon]

Where HP sword

[subtle finch]

Her kit wanting her to be below 50% but no way to get her there quickly is kinda sus

[rotund moon]

I need my 3 star swords

[little forge]

E ability no?

[subtle finch]

The EM scaling looks like a way situation right

[little forge]

It drops her HP

[subtle finch]

A Yae* situation

[subtle finch]

30%

Wait

[amber plover]

Omg sacrificial Shinobu to trigger E twice in a row aka lose 60% haha

[subtle finch]

Just use sac sword to get to 50%

[glad harness]

Full EM kuki with Xiangling Kazuha Bennett

[subtle finch]

Same idea

[manic umbra]

wait all part of her kit only heal the main character right not party heal

[subtle finch]

Or ||on field with 4 TF||

[little forge]

So it's TF once again

[small turtle]

!!noir

[small turtle]

WAIT

[fast rapids]

shinobu E cost 30% of current hp on cast

[small turtle]

TOTM KUKI

[subtle finch]

Does her E even hit more than once

[lament cargo]

there it is

[small turtle]

WITH MY 4 AP YAE

[glad harness]

I pray her E doesn't have ICD

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

AND FORCE ZL ON NOBLESSE

[lament cargo]

No

[small turtle]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[lament cargo]

No AP

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

TY VON FOR TOTM

[lament cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/951867135469187122/BE05A706-DF73-4C50-8A45-8CE79BE8AED1.gif

[manic umbra]

AP cult is growing

[fast rapids]

so 70% only on 1st cast, on 2nd cast that's

[small turtle]

[manic umbra]

von cannot stop it

[small turtle]

its perfect

[manic umbra]

[small turtle]

15 second duration wtih c2

[fast rapids]

49% hp

[small turtle]

plus healing

[real yoke]

tf again you guys can’t be stopped

[fast rapids]

just under 50

[small turtle]

wait

this all lines up

mihoyo was the way sitting on my ap sheet

all this time

[lament cargo]

I have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement

😔

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

[obtuse mason]

do you have any first ideas on who would want her in their team ?

[small turtle]

ill wait for changes first

before i input it

cause

[fast rapids]

teams that may need an electro healer

[lament cargo]

not completely sure just yet

[small turtle]

your name is so factual

and i like it

[amber plover]

Depending on her energy gen, taser teams

Whatever her energy gen is, Eula is a great partner

[manic umbra]

I guess her character also works as comfort support for dugtrio. she can use Tom for buffing shield and healing for comfort

[small turtle]

you get a bonk from me

!!bonk

[glad harness]

Taser Xiao

[subtle finch]

Wait so the Q scales on hp but the E damage doesn’t it?

[amber plover]

Basically

[subtle finch]

Split scaling again

[fast rapids]

I assume so

[obtuse mason]

why would an anemo twink not have supremacy

[subtle finch]

The Q sounds like huge nuke potential tho

[lament cargo]

😔 yep

[small turtle]

true

[fast rapids]

hp scaling E would be

[subtle finch]

Building HP for healing clam damage and the Q

Might be a play

[fast rapids]

triple hp gaming?

[subtle finch]

No

[fast rapids]

[small turtle]

[subtle finch]

Only sands and maybe circlet

[small turtle]

PJC?

[fast rapids]

goblet still on elec dmg ig

[subtle finch]

Bruh my only 5 star swords are skyward and summit

[fast rapids]

goddammit I barely have any of those

[small turtle]

[amber plover]

I'm stuck with summit too 🙂 ...

[lament cargo]

[idle stream]

Q looks like a hit or miss 3.5s doesnt look much

[fast rapids]

I have 2 skyward spines and 1 lost prayer

[subtle finch]

Unless she can hit hard enough on the Q and the extra clam damage makes up for it

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

3.5s isn’t much but look at the scaling

7.2% of HP on something that hits more than once is a lot

[small turtle]

question is how many procs will it do

[idle stream]

We dont know the procs yet

[fast rapids]

imagine 3

[subtle finch]

But if it hits even twice that can easily be like 3.6k MV

[fast rapids]

I'm betting my marbles it's like amber

[subtle finch]

If I’m understanding what I’m reading

[shrewd crescent]

Tick every 0.5s

[subtle finch]

Need to see footage

[lament cargo]

well it says continuous so

[small turtle]

i dont get the duration part

[subtle finch]

im worried the scaling might be incorrect

[small turtle]

2/3.5????

[subtle finch]

cuz that shit sounds kinda op

[idle stream]

If only e also does max hp dmg festering desire copium

[subtle finch]

its 2s if above 50%

[lament cargo]

koko 2 electric boogaloo

[subtle finch]

3.5s if below 50%

hp

[small turtle]

ohhhh

[subtle finch]

thats the main reason i keep asking about getting her below 50%

[fast rapids]

you can get 49% hp if you cast e twice

[subtle finch]

if she needs ER anyway sac sword might be the play

more healing bonus and more damage both below 50%

[fast rapids]

wait would shinobu heal on cast

[subtle finch]

plus more ult duration

[shrewd crescent]

I think it's animation then heal

[small turtle]

i am assuming the field is small in correlation to her c1

[fast rapids]

I hope so

I saw the icon

does look kinda small

[lament cargo]

most likely

[fast rapids]

icon crafting

[manic umbra]

or you could just get attack by enemies

and just let her below 50%

[fast rapids]

very gamer move

[manic umbra]

she only heal active character

[subtle finch]

wait the split scaling dont even look problematic

[rotund moon]

The naku ring

[subtle finch]

her E only hits once dont it

[lament cargo]

there's initial hit

then dot

[subtle finch]

E has DoT?

[lament cargo]

ye

[fast rapids]

ticks every 1.5s

[idle stream]

Yep

[rotund moon]

for context those are electro naku weeds

[subtle finch]

oh i see it now

[small turtle]

[fast rapids]

[main bay]

The E is very likely a clone of Qiqis wheel of life thing

[glad harness]

what if, with sac sword 2 E can co-exist like pyronado?

[subtle finch]

i think the Q is prob still worth building around HP for

[glad harness]

[idle stream]

Festering desire copium make q shit buff e

[fast rapids]

I doubt it

[amber plover]

As long as the burst is a nuke I'm fine with E tickling ngl

[subtle finch]

with hp you can build for Q and healing+clam both

[fast rapids]

but hey let's see if it will work

[lament cargo]

need gameplay 😔

[plain oasis]

easy

[subtle finch]

probably not

[shrewd crescent]

Ah yes the E

[plain oasis]

sc for clam too

[manic umbra]

maybe you use her Q as main damage and her E is for tenacity or clam

[plain oasis]

whoops sent message half way through

[manic umbra]

[subtle finch]

wen hp buffing support to buff her Q

[lament cargo]

possibly

[subtle finch]

yup

thats what i am think

need to see some footage

[lament cargo]

[shrewd crescent]

Soo er/hp/hb or hp/hp/hb?

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

wouldnt an er weapon be better than an er sands?

if she even needs it

[glad harness]

EM EM EM with Xiangling

[little forge]

Seems like I need to keep my clam set pieces

[shrewd crescent]

I'm not touching either one I'm going adc

[shrewd crescent]

Probably

[subtle finch]

kinda doubt she would need an er weapon or sands if paired with raiden or fischl

is only 60 cost

[shrewd crescent]

Slap on a Lion's Roar

Or Fav

[subtle finch]

kekwait the Q being pure hp scaling makes sara copium

[subtle finch]

atk% on hp scaler

[icy granite]

What comps would Kuki even be used on?

[plain oasis]

mono electro

[amber plover]

100% Eula
the rest depend on her particle gen

[fast rapids]

comps that may use electro healer

[shrewd crescent]

I don't care about hp scaling unless I have Jade

[subtle finch]

anyhing that wants electro and a healer

[small turtle]

so for builds HP/DMG/HP or HB?

[icy granite]

[small turtle]

is recommended?

[shrewd crescent]

Let's just wait for gameplay

[idle stream]

Dugtrio+kuki

[subtle finch]

whats the clam dmg like with a crit or hp circlet

[fast rapids]

back to lurking in yelan tc for now

[small turtle]

its pretty low

[shrewd crescent]

I'm gonna go watch Yelan TC complain about Yelan being op or something

[subtle finch]

albedo EM buff

[small turtle]

cause of the 3.5 occurance

[glad harness]

Overload team, sucrose team, xiao team, ayato team, Eula team.

[small turtle]

and 3 second duration

[idle stream]

Slap some totm retire zhongli

[small turtle]

its fucking annoying

[subtle finch]

are her healing intervals not good for it?

[small turtle]

why wont they remove the 0.5 on the occurance

[subtle finch]

what numbers did you get

[shrewd crescent]

Wait. And Itto likes to get up close and personal

Kuki is Itto support confirmed

[lament cargo]

she heals every 1.5s right ?

[amber plover]

Yup

[lament cargo]

so twice per bubble

[small turtle]

around 8k procs

bubble is 2 times

[amber plover]

Sadly might as well go totm at this point

[small turtle]

so 16-17k procs

[subtle finch]

16-17k each bubble?

[small turtle]

that is with pjc, c2, hp circlet

[subtle finch]

thats before any phys shred right

[small turtle]

8K per bubble

yes

[shrewd crescent]

I'm sorry what

[subtle finch]

why are you calcing the 5 star weapon most people dont have yet first

[small turtle]

cause she heals 1.5 second per tick

so she only gets 3 tick

[shrewd crescent]

Let's just use something like Favonius or Sac

What other options do we have

[glad harness]

Freedom sworn + tenacity for max team buff

[subtle finch]

any crit weapon not named HoD

[shrewd crescent]

Iron sting, Amenoa

[subtle finch]

if the healing is as bad as Akane says then TOTM is prob BIS

it buffs HP for her ult

[amber plover]

Yeah that set is perfect for her

[lament cargo]

totm + ER wep

[shrewd crescent]

So my Totm eula grind was a sign from god

[small turtle]

i could differ putting 2 HP main stats

[shrewd crescent]

Hush

[small turtle]

sands and circlet

[manic umbra]

if she can provide like good particle maybe can battery beidou

[shrewd crescent]

I'm still using Amenoma or Lion tbh

[manic umbra]

so beidou is not stuck to fichl

[real yoke]

im hoping she’s a good mono electro healer

[subtle finch]

an 8k bubble every 3.5s tho is still an extra free 2.2k dps for doing nothing

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

but totm is prob more than that

[amber plover]

it's a shame Sara doesn't really benefit her in mono electro but she has a limited amount of buffs anyway so I think it's alright

[shrewd crescent]

Kinda wanna see dps kuki with pjc

[real yoke]

thats true

[small turtle]

Kuki Healing w/ PJC, C2, HP Sand and Circlet = 11202.84595
Kuki Clam Proc w/ PJC, C2, HP Sand and Circlet = 10082.56136 (this is one proc)

[little forge]

Jeez, this game became so intricated

[small turtle]

this is with no phys shred and no distributed subs

[subtle finch]

akane are you counting E talent levels from c3/c5 whichever it is 🤔

[small turtle]

on both HP and Flat HP

[small turtle]

yeah

[shrewd crescent]

C3

[small turtle]

t12

[subtle finch]

wait arent these the same thing

wahts the difference here

all say hp sand and circlet

[small turtle]

the healing is higher than clam proc

clam procs is 90% of healing received

[subtle finch]

oh so the 2nd number is the clam proc

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

[subtle finch]

and thats an HP circlet?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

[small turtle]

ill edit that

yeah

[shrewd crescent]

It looks kinda cool

[subtle finch]

so no clams go totm got it

[shrewd crescent]

Ig

[nova sierra]

kukis e is basically barbaras e but it actually does some dmg

[shrewd crescent]

I

Damn it man

[nova sierra]

was a question btw

i dont know myself

i think its like tjat

that

[little forge]

Barbara powercreep

[small turtle]

do we call it budget jellyfish?

[shrewd crescent]

We call it superior musical notes

[lament cargo]

but it moves around with you

[small turtle]

that is true

lets call it budget ghost that heals

[subtle finch]

akane you counted her hp ascension right

[small turtle]

yep

24%

[lament cargo]

welp can't really do much till we get footage and particle gen

[small turtle]

with no dist subs on hp% and flat hp

[stiff reef]

How are Eula mains feeling about Kuki

[supple snow]

With c2 she has 100% uptime on heals?

[lament cargo]

looks like it

15s duration w 15s cooldown

[small turtle]

yep

[nova sierra]

oh thats cracked

[alpine dock]

Are we sure it's that small radius?

[spiral cairn]

I like how every electro character is destined to be paired with Eula

[subtle finch]

razor modcheck

[nova sierra]

we are not, my message was meant as a question

[subtle finch]

yae modcheck

[amber plover]

You can easily go Eula/Rosaria/Kuki now leaving you with a flex slot but I'm not sure what would pair well

[spiral cairn]

Yae was TC’d with Eula quite a bit iirc

[lament cargo]

we aren't sure about anything

[alpine dock]

Based on text I was assuming gorou Q type of following

[spiral cairn]

And Razor…well who plays him anyways?

[stiff reef]

Beidou or Raiden?

[small turtle]

are eula mains assuming a comp with kuki to be like

Eula Raiden Rosaria Kuki?

[austere raft]

Oh neat shinobu has 100% tom/healing uptime at c2?

[small turtle]

rosaria so their ult would crit

[stiff reef]

[nova sierra]

on the talent icon it looks small

[amber plover]

Beidou would only work if Shinobu has good (if any) particle generation so that's very uncertain at the moment

[lament cargo]

might not even anyways

[alpine dock]

Itto gorou albedo kuki could work. If she can proc crystallize consistently

[small turtle]

i could see it but why not use fischl, the true electro archon

[lament cargo]

so much uncertainty

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

all i know is the 4 AP Yae is getting fed soon

[shrewd crescent]

I wanted to try tenacity elemental skill gaming Yae with clam kuki tbh

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

or even better

give ap to zhong

and give yae an actual gear

[alpine dock]

Is there an hp % sword

[stiff reef]

Hoyoverse: So heres our new Electr-
Eula mains:

[lament cargo]

No

[small turtle]

nope

[alpine dock]

[stiff reef]

What weapon is she again? Sword?

[robust timber]

ye

[subtle finch]

technically still 100% totm uptime even without c2 cuz the buff will last the remaining 3s

[small turtle]

im just down to add her rn on AP Yae

[manic umbra]

yeah she could switch with fischl due her E can last longer for duration of itto burst

[spiral cairn]

[stiff reef]

I mean same with hydro chars and hu tao mains, xingqiu alternative?!!

[spiral cairn]

Ayato

[subtle finch]

?

[manic umbra]

?

[alpine dock]

Need to know icd for both

[humble wraith]

Kuki poggers

[manic umbra]

ICD and ER

[alpine dock]

As long as kuki has some gen I think she will be fine. It's only 60

I think she's gonna use an er weapon anyway

[subtle finch]

particles is important to know for teams tho

[manic umbra]

60 cost at most like 200 ER

[subtle finch]

how come

[small turtle]

with 15 second cd, i think it will be 5-6 particle gen

[manic umbra]

unless she does not generate particle

[alpine dock]

What other weapon would she use?

[manic umbra]

[small turtle]

that long of a cd needs to have a lot of particles

[humble wraith]

Would mono Electro be better with Kuki then yae (if using Kazuha) because she has heals

[lament cargo]

[manic umbra]

I dont know

[fast rapids]

depends if you need the heals

[small turtle]

gonna test it out soon

[humble wraith]

Don't have skill
So yes

[alpine dock]

We don't know. But if you need a healer I guess? Idk

[amber plover]

Itto-Shinobu actually has synergy and I'm shocked

[manic umbra]

yeah

now we need to know her damage

we need footage

[alpine dock]

I'm not holding out on damage for her

[amber plover]

All her burst does is damage so I assume it's at least decent

[idle stream]

Only needs to beat zhongli dps

[subtle finch]

shouldnt be hard at all with that Q scaling plus albedo buffing her EM for slightly more

[amber plover]

She's more consistent with TOTM than Zhongli so that's nice

[subtle finch]

huh?

oh

i read that as ttds

idk why

[alpine dock]

Cause her e follows

[subtle finch]

ignore me

[amber plover]

LMAO

[idle stream]

Pillar scuffed

[alpine dock]

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

as of now, nothing cause no new footage

imagine i sleep and footage was revealed

[alpine dock]

Is her Q a short shield or did I read that wrong

[small turtle]

barrier

field barrier

[subtle finch]

whats a barrier

[small turtle]

its like if u put shield around lisa's Q

[amber plover]

I'm thinking black sword with hp/dmg/crit and a lot of er subs so far
might need ER wep

[small turtle]

i am assuming

I NEED THE FOOTAGE OF IT

before i

[lament cargo]

uba said to wait until after tmr so

[alpine dock]

But only lasts max of 3.5 secs?

[idle stream]

Flavour text looks like it

[subtle finch]

can you imagine the damage if it lasted longer

look at the HP scaling

[small turtle]

did you try to calc it with hp/electro dmg/hp?

[keen sinew]

kuki kit is so werid

[subtle finch]

im still setting her up in my template

[keen sinew]

her skill is her main priority but her burst is confusing

[shrewd crescent]

Before I was thinking electro abyss mage

[alpine dock]

Hoping I can use Festering desire on her. Haven't been able to use it in a while

[shrewd crescent]

But what if its Thunder manifestation

[keen sinew]

like it scales on her max hp but the % are so bad

[shrewd crescent]

You know when it throws down those spike things before becoming enraged

[subtle finch]

tbh if sara is c6 even with kuki ult not getting atk scaling the 60% cdmg buff should be huge

[small turtle]

it should be 4* BiS imo

[subtle finch]

and Kuki Sara self buffed busrt into a Kuki burst buffed by sara c6 sounds like a lot of frontloaded damage

[shrewd crescent]

Because it scales with hp

[idle stream]

Thats what ive been saying buff e scuff q for fd

[small turtle]

give us hp sword

[keen sinew]

yea but its still bad

[small turtle]

idk if amenoma is viable for her with 60 cost burst

[subtle finch]

why would you want q scuffed and devalue the er on the weapon you want to use

[idle stream]

Looks good on her as well

[alpine dock]

Depending on when her e first procs maybe fav?

Seems like you don't wanna stay on field with her too long tho

[small turtle]

yep

[hollow belfry]

depends how many q ticks tho

[small turtle]

iirc she suppose to be a quickswap type of char

i should also put her

in sheets for now

[keen sinew]

it gonna be a low number since her burst is 2 to 3.5s long

[idle stream]

Passive better anyways q can be just a nice bonus

[subtle finch]

how is it bad

[hollow belfry]

amber ult hits alot

and its 2s

[subtle finch]

but each individual MV looks very high

[orchid folio]

Hello

[fast rapids]

henlo

[green wave]

Would kuki just want ToM HP/HP/HP?

[orchid folio]

This is a thread instead I guess due to less interest

[subtle finch]

prob hp crit dmg

[fast rapids]

currently lurking rn

[green wave]

Why would she want crit?

[fast rapids]

dmg

[orchid folio]

For do damage

[amber plover]

Unless you're going full healbot you might want to capitalise on her burst since all it does is damage

[green wave]

hm i see i see

soo HP/ELECTRO/CRIT??

[amber plover]

yup

[orchid folio]

Totm will be good

[green wave]

What weapons r people thinkin for her

[idle stream]

Kuki 😱

[orchid folio]

Jade cutter tbh xd

[amber plover]

Woah

Jade Cutter/Anything with ER/Anything with crit

[orchid folio]

In terms of reasonable weapons idk

[green wave]

F2P? 😰

[amber plover]

not harbinger tho

[green wave]

Oh, thats easy enough

[idle stream]

Fd if you have it er also boosts e

[amber plover]

I think favonius and sacrificial won't work well either actually

so festering is your best bet yea

[subtle finch]

oh my god

im in love

[orchid folio]

Wait festering desire is actually a sick choice

Wish I had it

[green wave]

the black sword? I don’t have festering

[subtle finch]

most of her dmg seems to be Q tho i think

[south shale]

is she gonna be good

[shrewd crescent]

She thicc

[subtle finch]

dont know

[amber plover]

I'm thinking of using black sword as well, depends on how her own energy gen is

[orchid folio]

Could be yeah

[south shale]

I love her design and I hope that the thoma situation won't happen again

[amber plover]

Yeah her E damage seems really poor even if you go EM

[orchid folio]

Since the duration increases by 1.5 seconds and the original duration is 2 seconds

[green wave]

She generates 50 particles per second when shes on field dw/j

[orchid folio]

It's at least 1 hit every .5 seconds

[amber plover]

yup

[idle stream]

Hope so need that nutty procs

[subtle finch]

so then we can prob assume 4 hits above 50% and 6 below?

[orchid folio]

4 and 7 at least

But let's wait to see it in beta

[subtle finch]

thats like...12,600 MV below 50% if true unless i pepega my math

[green wave]

Perfect off peice for Kuki if i can get an on piece elec goblet

[fast rapids]

7 hit should be nutty

49% ish of hp

[south shale]

who would she synergize, I'm guessing taser teams

[subtle finch]

im thinking Kuki Sara is gonna be a crazy nuke team if the way we think her Q works is true

[amber plover]

Eula, Itto, Taser if her particle gen is good

[orchid folio]

Yeah 50.4% hp

[green wave]

Mono electro?

[orchid folio]

If it's 7 hits

That's high

[green wave]

kuki/yae/raiden/kazuha or bennett

[subtle finch]

anything that would appreciate electro, healing, and nuke damage

[hollow belfry]

ol

[amber plover]

Yae CA hitting 4 times PTSD

[subtle finch]

and totm

[south shale]

welp only thing we can do is cope and hope she has a satisfying amount of particle gen

[keen sinew]

ok someone help explain to me how they are seeing her burst be good, im a little slow

[small turtle]

whats the hp scaling on her Q if we assume 4 hits for 2 second?

[orchid folio]

28.8

I think

[subtle finch]

gonna run some solo damage calcs in my sheet

[orchid folio]

But get her below 50% and it becomes 50.2

[subtle finch]

what weapon should i use

[small turtle]

so rotation should vary to 2 E before Q to get 7 hits i am assuming

[green wave]

Kukis main healing comes from her burst or skill?

[orchid folio]

Well there's always lions roar

[small turtle]

im using festering

[keen sinew]

only skill

[subtle finch]

sounds terrible

[polar citrus]

is the dmg/healing bonus from A2 flat or like a %

[small turtle]

cause its reasonably 4* BiS

[subtle finch]

her Q has no attack scaling

[amber plover]

Festering/Black Sword maybe?

[orchid folio]

It's dmg%

[manic umbra]

man I forgot this weapon

its dmg%

[orchid folio]

There's no hp scaling sword besides jade cutter

[alpine dock]

Festering

[subtle finch]

thats why go crit i think

[polar citrus]

healing too?

[subtle finch]

but theres no crit swords that are 4 star 🤔

other than BS and BC

[orchid folio]

Black sword r1

[subtle finch]

and HoD contradicts her

unfortunately

[orchid folio]

She doesn't normal attack so that's fine

[green wave]

does her healing look …. Kinda bad or am i missing something?

[manic umbra]

but mapping aura for lions roar is

[small turtle]

yeah

[fast rapids]

currently okay

[orchid folio]

She's hitting so frequently with that burst there will be an electro aura pretty guaranteed

[small turtle]

thats why 4* options are picky

if i put jade, would people call it

[subtle finch]

ill do r1 black sword

[orchid folio]

I wish I had a second jade to give her

Hope it comes back soon

[haughty mural]

Sooo what's the general feeling rn about her HP/EM stat thing

[amber plover]

Every day that passes I dread having summit shaper instead of jade cutter
First Ayato and now Shinobu

[polar citrus]

so 2pc totm 2pc clam/maiden for healer ?

[sonic jay]

I'm confused
Can her healing only do up to 20% of the characters hp?

[fast rapids]

hp good, no idea oon em

[small turtle]

if i have 10 dist subs on CR its still not good

[idle stream]

Em is just a bonus stat good to have

[hollow belfry]

prob ignore em and treat it as a bonus like yae

[shrewd crescent]

Her hp sacrifice doesn't go below 20% of her hp

[sonic jay]

Oh ok

[keen sinew]

no her skill will stop taking her hp when you are at 20% hp

[fast rapids]

off topic but wouldnt it be funny if an hp drain character could die from their hp drain

[haughty mural]

Was gonna say, EM and HP kinda hard to build together. I'd like to max her heals though

[regal epoch]

So 2 electro characters with weird em passives

[alpine dock]

More Electro/Dendro EM Hopium

[green wave]

I’m not good w numbers but her skill at lvl 8 is half of kokomi skill at lvl 8 along w dionas and bennetts burst

[orchid folio]

The healing seems sufficient to keep you up without the EM scaling

[hollow belfry]

its hinting to an em support

[shrewd crescent]

Mini sucrose reaction

[amber plover]

Both of the EM passives are on DoT skills too if that points towards anything.

[subtle finch]

im getting 31k hp on her with totm 2 liquid subs and and an hp sands

thats kinda lit

[orchid folio]

Not bad

[amber plover]

Very pog

[alpine dock]

[fast rapids]

whats her base hp again'

[small turtle]

how i only have 29k with 4 dist subs

[amber plover]

12.5k or smth

[regal epoch]

Yeah like a dendeo charcter that gives a ton of em but they pull something like dendeo immediately overrides any applied element so u can't use that em for melt/vape or other reactions like that

[fast rapids]

thats actually a lot ngl

[haughty mural]

I probably won't even build kuki's ER tbh. I don't know if i care about her burst for dmg when she can heal

[green wave]

Oh yeah i forgot abt that

[keen sinew]

12189 at 90

[subtle finch]

does anything look sus here?

[orchid folio]

Totm is the answer

I'm guessing he was not running that

[subtle finch]

i honestly cant think of any reason to ever not use totm since clam is apparently not good

[fast rapids]

akane calcing clam iirc

[orchid folio]

Oh for sure

[green wave]

Instead of electro dmg goblet, could u do em?

[orchid folio]

Clam won't be close to capping

[old depot]

what's kuki's role? healer, sub dps, dps?

[subtle finch]

no

[green wave]

oh rip

[subtle finch]

that sounds utterly pointless

[green wave]

just em subs ?

[fast rapids]

healer and offield dps

[subtle finch]

why are we doing em at all

[orchid folio]

Her em a4

[haughty mural]

I'm guessing her E is short range like Barbara but kinda coping that it'll be more like electro abyss mage

[green wave]

Her passive

[subtle finch]

[regal epoch]

She only heals one character at a time so ig clam will do low dmg right

[orchid folio]

But it doesn't look worth building around

[subtle finch]

lemme read it again

[amber plover]

If we're going to calculate EM we can try EM/Electro/Crit for a meme E-bot build

[orchid folio]

It's just yae a4 again lol

[sonic jay]

Could tf work to keep her uptime constant

[green wave]

Yaes A4 seems worse

[small turtle]

with 2 dist subs

[orchid folio]

Time to r5 a jade cutter for kuki ig

[hollow belfry]

her e is already at 100% uptime at c2 i think

[small turtle]

dont mind the name of the sheet

[sonic jay]

Ah didn't see that
My b

[haughty mural]

Am just happy I can officially throw barbara in the trash can
Was using her for EC team as healer. Kuki's turn

[subtle finch]

u sure you are adding everything in the cell formula?

[fast rapids]

can we have diona command but for barb

[subtle finch]

i triple checked mine

i dont see anything i added more of than i shouldve

[shrewd crescent]

[small turtle]

should be the same as yours

is this just formula difference?

[real yoke]

festering for the passive? over favonius ?

[small turtle]

imo its BiS for it gives ER and DMG

[hollow belfry]

u seem to have atk sands

[idle stream]

Basically stat stick with nice little bonus for E

[subtle finch]

i just havent changed the name from atk to hp yet

both give 46.6% so it should be correct

[orchid folio]

I'll sheet it after this call

And I'll come up with a third number

[keen sinew]

is this right? If kuki had 30k hp with lvl 1 burst % at 3.6, her burst would be doing 1080 per hit so if her burst hits every .5s for her max 3.5s burst that's 7560?

[small turtle]

sounds good, theory its just formula difference

[subtle finch]

you're referencing the mvs right? sounds right to me

[haughty mural]

festering
I wish they gave me a chance to have you again

[orchid folio]

Event weapons have to come back at some point

They need to sell Albedo again

[keen sinew]

ok because i saw i made a mistake earlier when i was asking why people where seeing her burst as good. I used 3k hp not 30k

[amber plover]

No idea how MVs work, is that considered good?

[orchid folio]

I don't like her c6

[lament cargo]

I got the same thing

[amber plover]

Yeah it's pretty useless
At least she's a decent unit at c0

[subtle finch]

same as me or akane?

[lament cargo]

HP sands, totm

[lament cargo]

same as you

31k

[orchid folio]

C2 feels like it will help with energy

[subtle finch]

[subtle finch]

like how fischl c6 does

[amber plover]

Watch her not generate energy

[subtle finch]

more procs more particles

[orchid folio]

Yeah

[lament cargo]

don't know whether to run CR or CD circlet though

[sonic jay]

If she batteries she could be useful with beidoi

[orchid folio]

Whichever gets you better ratio

[shrewd crescent]

Wait you can actually sheet?

[orchid folio]

Usually cr circlet for me

[shrewd crescent]

Man

[lament cargo]

duh

[shrewd crescent]

If you can understand this why can't I

[lament cargo]

[sonic jay]

[orchid folio]

So the problem is

Kuki needs to be below 50%

But she needs to e twice to get there, and she heals herself if she is on field

[amber plover]

Time to switch in just to get smacked ig

[keen sinew]

you could always let her take damage but that would cost some time

[manic umbra]

just switch when you use her E

wait you need to Q E

[orchid folio]

yeah you need to Q at low health

it's a bit awk

I'm sheeting now

[small turtle]

what is the assumption of her Q dmg with 30k hp?

on t12?

[fast rapids]

simply an issue of skill

[keen sinew]

t12?

[shrewd crescent]

More like I've never actually sheeted before

[small turtle]

it seems i may have miscalculated my formula somewhere

[lament cargo]

what wep are you using ?

[subtle finch]

two Es is 60% hp drain tho is that not enough?

[small turtle]

festering

[lament cargo]

let me check

[orchid folio]

if it's like Hu Tao the 30% is current HP

[subtle finch]

it says max doesnt it

[orchid folio]

so 2 takes you down to exactly 49% hp

[fast rapids]

it says current hp

[orchid folio]

it says "part of her HP"

[fast rapids]

yeah mb

either way 2 cast is below 50%

[subtle finch]

i mustve done something wrong cuz i calced her doing like no dmg

[vast meadow]

is grass ring of sanctification DMG hp or atk scaling?

[small turtle]

same

[subtle finch]

only 37k total dmg with 1 e cast 10 e ticks 3 c4 and 4 q procs

is completely unbuffed but still

[small turtle]

i didnt calc c4 yet

[orchid folio]

yeah let me calc

[amber plover]

It's too high to be hp so it has to be atk

[subtle finch]

think we overestimated how much the hp MVs are

[echo schooner]

First time chat on tc here. cmiiw with the calcs

Kuki's Q dmg

I can reach 32.381 hp (R1 PJC, HP sands, electro, crit)

32.321 hp x 6.10%max hp (lv 9 talent) = 1975

I have 200%cdmg + 46.6% electro + 20%burst from noblesse.
So 1975 + (1975 x 266.6%) = 7241

Assuming its 7 tick dmg, 7241 x 7 = 50.688 dmg

[small turtle]

do you count c4 as skill dmg?

[orchid folio]

we don't know 🙂

[subtle finch]

yes

[lament cargo]

I'm getting 2.7k tick

[amber plover]

Hopefully the burst ticks much more than we expect then

[keen sinew]

damage from her skill scales with hp right?

[subtle finch]

yeah cuz this looks rlly shit rn if i did this right

[fast rapids]

I think it's because of the other stats

[subtle finch]

let me see how much it improves by if we assume the E ticks are hp scaling

[small turtle]

10 E field tick, 3 C4, 4 Q

[fast rapids]

hp mv good but what about dmg bonus and crits

[orchid folio]

Noir it can't be 50% hp scaling

that''s absurd

[small turtle]

so far her healing is

[subtle finch]

lets plug it in and see

[small turtle]

even if we do 50k, dmg would still be 4k*4 on Q

[amber plover]

Kokomi jellyfish doing 230% hp damage ptsd

[real yoke]

why’d the Cr change around ?

[small turtle]

festering

[subtle finch]

better than you thought?

[small turtle]

elem skill cr passive

[small turtle]

nope

[lament cargo]

I'm getting monka numbers when I change to hp scaling

[small turtle]

welp

[subtle finch]

@orchid folio if i give the E hp scaling her dpr goes up to 260k

[alpine dock]

Welcome to tc

[subtle finch]

goes from being unreasonably to low to kinda pog

prob isnt hp scaling tho

[small turtle]

looks like im not putting her on AP Yae yet

[fast rapids]

time to put on the gas mask

[orchid folio]

OK yeah

[subtle finch]

for the record, if thats only 50% atk scaling i have it doing 844 average damage per tick

[real yoke]

that healing seems really good and damage is decent too for a healer

[small turtle]

is she really going to be electro qiqi

[orchid folio]

these are my numbers unbuffed with PJC 2TF / 2 NO

[subtle finch]

is rlly bad if thats attack scaling

[lament cargo]

we still got time there's a chance she won't end up like thoma

[fast rapids]

maybe... maybe kuki is supposed to do that

[small turtle]

uba why the fuck did you called it out early

[lament cargo]

same I get 788 ticks at t9

[amber plover]

Even if she deals no damage and generate no particles she's already better than Thoma ngl

[orchid folio]

it's not looking great

[small turtle]

thats with 4 ticks already?

on burst?

[orchid folio]

that's each tick

[subtle finch]

[orchid folio]

but this is 2 TF / 2 NO

so it's uh... kinda low

[small turtle]

ohh

[subtle finch]

why low dmg

[knotty crag]

wat

[small turtle]

ELECTRO QIQI

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

LMAO

[knotty crag]

WHATS WRONG WITH THAT

I WAS MAKING A JOKE

[small turtle]

[lament cargo]

a lot

a lot is wrong with that

[knotty crag]

IT'S A JOKE???? 😭

[lament cargo]

[orchid folio]

hey man maybe she's a superb battery

[knotty crag]

I EVEN DID /J

[fast rapids]

maybe she will produce 3 particles per tick

[small turtle]

maybe she is the yae battery we needed

[keen sinew]

STOP YOUR HURTING MY HOPES FOR PULLING HER

[knotty crag]

whats the intitial thoughts btw?

[hollow belfry]

particle per e tick

[orchid folio]

damage is low

[fast rapids]

sus

[subtle finch]

kinda awful

[orchid folio]

it's possible her burst ticks more than we thought

[knotty crag]

💀 oof

[fast rapids]

do you know anything about the ult tick btw if possible

[orchid folio]

and it's possible her skill is all HP scaling

[subtle finch]

hopefully

[small turtle]

we thought her E skills scale of HP, and her burst would do a lot but nope

[fast rapids]

also this

[small turtle]

we were wrong

[subtle finch]

is there any indication on how many times her burst ticks?

[amber plover]

We don't know how often her Q ticks and if her E generates particles so kinda hard to evaluate rn

[knotty crag]

her skill does scale off HP no?

[small turtle]

the dmg?

[knotty crag]

huh?

wait 2s

[subtle finch]

does it? it doesnt say HP scaling

[knotty crag]

lemme check for you

[small turtle]

wait

[regal epoch]

it doesn't say in the description

[orchid folio]

the DoT damage makes it seem like ATK

[small turtle]

this could be big

[orchid folio]

anyway Noir even if the burst ticks twice as much

[fast rapids]

I'm lowering my expectations

[keen sinew]

it does

[subtle finch]

if the damage is hp scaling that changes everything

[fast rapids]

I on want to be let down

[small turtle]

yeah

there is dmg

[subtle finch]

i thought it was refering only to the healing

[orchid folio]

56k damage on a 2TF / 2NO PJC build is sad still

[subtle finch]

we kinda really need it to be refering to the dmg too

or for her Q to tick way more times than we think

[orchid folio]

70 Q ticks

[real yoke]

her stats on honey are a bit diff aren’t they?

[subtle finch]

but even if i give it 11 ticks her dmg still low

[subtle finch]

are they? i havetn seen honey

[regal epoch]

It would still be low even if it ticks per 0.25s right?

[gaunt pivot]

her Q duration is so weird

[orchid folio]

yes even at every .25 I'm getting around 56k burst

[knotty crag]

Ahhh sorry no it isn't

[orchid folio]

rip Kuki damage

[real yoke]

looking at lvl 10 of her burst and her skill’s dmg

[regal epoch]

[small turtle]

[subtle finch]

im on level 12.

you want me to go lower?

[small turtle]

and now we cope she is going to be a yae battery

thats the only thing that will save her

or clam

idk

anymore

[subtle finch]

or that things work different than we think

[lament cargo]

[keen sinew]

wait so her skill hp scaling only for the heals

[fast rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[small turtle]

yep

[real yoke]

no no no i’m just checking the scaling lemme check 12

[keen sinew]

[fast rapids]

what about the ult ticks, it's a lot right

[subtle finch]

what about intervals of Q ticks?

[keen sinew]

they really need to work on the wording

[fast rapids]

I'm not letting down another electro sword.. not again

[real yoke]

yeh it’s slightly higher on burst and slightly lower on skill dmg

7.21% max hp on burst

[orchid folio]

Kuki hyper with Kazuha + C6 Sara, burst ticks for 8k.... at 14 ticks that's 112k 😭

[real yoke]

and 50.48% for her skill dmg iirc

[knotty crag]

no gameplay at all for anyone yet

so I can't check any of that

[subtle finch]

[fast rapids]

[knotty crag]

I'll answer whatever questions I can after tomorrow

[subtle finch]

guess we wait

thnx Uba

[regal epoch]

How much does she heal

[real yoke]

uba which is wrong? honey or the scalings in tc?

[fast rapids]

thanks for your input uba

[knotty crag]

Honey updated?

[real yoke]

yes i’m looking at kuki rn

[knotty crag]

What do you see thats wrong?

[orchid folio]

Honey has been different in the past few betas for some reason

[fast rapids]

tc scalings based off pics in pins iirc

[knotty crag]

or inconsistent*

[real yoke]

just her scalings are a bit different

[subtle finch]

is the healing scaling different?

[knotty crag]

rounding?

do you mean?

[fast rapids]

idk man.. I hope kuki mega battery

[orchid folio]

well it could be rounding but the # of significant figures is not much different

50.48% atk scaling vs. 50.50%

[knotty crag]

if it's pure numbers stuff, honeys SHOULD be correct

then again, both Honey and Dim should be going off of the same base

But keep in mind

when beta starts something called a "dispatch update" happens

in that, they can hot fix things like numbers

[fast rapids]

I'm hoping for changes

[real yoke]

not really until lvl 13. the one here says 6.4 but it’s 6.38 on honey but like uba said could just be rounding

[small turtle]

with clam

[knotty crag]

Cons and pure numbers are STC with the dispatch update tomorrow

[orchid folio]

I'm getting 3.2k heals Akane

single target no shot clam is worthwhile

[fast rapids]

stap I want to cry a bit

[orchid folio]

~7k pops max

[small turtle]

mines 6k pop

huh

[subtle finch]

[orchid folio]

did you give her the 15% hb and the a4 buff

[fast rapids]

wait is this assuming no er liquid subs

[real yoke]

yeh it’s not fully updated but here’s the link https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/shinobu/?lang=EN

[small turtle]

@orchid folio you running hb circlet?

[orchid folio]

no this is the pjc build

[small turtle]

oh thats why

mines festering

i wonder if i do hp circlet

[orchid folio]

hypothetical clam is 7k pop

totm is almost certainly more value

[fast rapids]

[small turtle]

yeah,

[fast rapids]

how about

for now

[keen sinew]

so far what is all her dmg coming from her skill right? And since we confirmed its not hp scaling for skill dmg does that mean i would still want some atk for it?

[fast rapids]

we tc main dps for now

oh wait no frame data

[orchid folio]

unbuffed the burst still does more overall damage than the skill but this is with hp sands

[alpine dock]

Both characters in patch look tentatively pretty good.

[orchid folio]

I'm getting around 120k DPR

let me try with a 4* weapon

if she's a good battery that's not awful

[real yoke]

looking at Akane’s numbers it looks like her burst is the dmg dealer not sure on the second q

[fast rapids]

hold on hold on 120k dpr?

my hopes are up

[regal epoch]

120k dpr is not trash for a healer but if she doesn't give good energy then

[keen sinew]

man they should just let it scale with hp

[subtle finch]

wait

how

[orchid folio]

is festering really the play

[subtle finch]

thats like triple what i got

[orchid folio]

1 skill initial + 12 skill ticks + 14 burst ticks + 3 C4

[fast rapids]

ohh

okay

[small turtle]

12 skill tick?

[subtle finch]

oh 14 burst ticks

how do you get 12 skill ticks tho

15/1.5 is 10

[hollow belfry]

isnt it 10-11 ticks

[orchid folio]

c2 increases duration

[small turtle]

yeah

[fast rapids]

12 -> 15

[small turtle]

it makes the duration 15 seconds

[fast rapids]

s

[orchid folio]

oh

[subtle finch]

yes it goes from 12 to 15 maxi

[fast rapids]

misread?

[orchid folio]

yes

gimme a sec that was with VV too

[subtle finch]

also even if i give her 14 Q ticks i only get 71k dpr

[small turtle]

14 burst tick in 3.5?

[subtle finch]

oh buffed

makes sense

[orchid folio]

well only VV

no other buffs

yeah now it's 95k

4* weapon time

[subtle finch]

amber is 18 what if we just assume its same as her

[orchid folio]

forgot to mention that was also with 0 ER reqs which is not realistic

[small turtle]

so 2 procs per 0.5 second?

[small turtle]

[orchid folio]

in any case with the odds stacked in her favor for damage she's still not outputting a lot

[subtle finch]

if i change it to 18 it goes up to 85k unbufeed solo with r1 black sword

which is a lot better

[fast rapids]

how would you folks describe day 1(realistically few hours) for now

[small turtle]

14 ticks with clam goes to 72k

[subtle finch]

not worth describing because we know way too little

[lament cargo]

footage when

[alpine dock]

Yeah this is why I wasn't holding out for her doing damage. Just hope she has decent particale gen. Electro healer can make her versatile on different comps

[lament cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-ok-gif-23395164

[subtle finch]

time to go back to ayato tc until footage

[amber plover]

I still haven't lurked at yelan tc lmao

[alpine dock]

Yelan is looking kinda busted ngl

[orchid folio]

Yelan has too many question marks for me to get involved just yet

I guess Kuki has a lot too

[small turtle]

i should probably put assumptions

[alpine dock]

Honey has x3 hits if that's right she passes standard icd

[orchid folio]

her burst hits thrice?

oohhhhhh wow