kuki-theorycrafting

[cerulean jackal]

secret channel

[mild crown]

jumpscare

[cerulean jackal]

[rain rivet]

Romany taking Ls since last year holy

[humble tiger]

omg kuki

[shrewd crescent]

I did build her adc

[tight vine]

IM CYYONDSKIANSWOMWWKWMWKSMWMEME

[rain rivet]

Omg guys this is literally TCL 2.0

[regal wigeon]

Lmao

[rain rivet]

All hail our Hyperbloom god, Ahura "Kuki Shinobu" Mazda

[misty halo]

Lets talk lyney

[humble tiger]

is kuki coming with lyney

[misty halo]

I sheeted lyney-nahida-ben-fischl

but you could run kuki

[cerulean jackal]

nah u run kuki as overload healer

in lyney mono pyro team

there so much pyro overload wouldnt kill pyro app anyway

[misty halo]

Unironically wouldn't be too terrible even with bennett

cus u could upkeep hunter set stacks

and pump overloads

[cerulean jackal]

kuki sweep

[rain rivet]

When in doubt

4TF Benny on this comp

!!noir

[hollow cipher]

This still exists???

[orchid folio]

What has occurred

[rocky patio]

yo

this is crazy

[echo jasper]

Wassup

[green dagger]

[shrewd crescent]

I got a glock in my rari

[patent timber]

Omg

This brings back memories

Of hopeless tc people trying to make kuki work before dendro came along

[jolly mural]

the prophecy

[rain rivet]

O Zarathushtra may Ahuramazda bless you for this

[tardy cosmos]

IT'S OPEN

[noble elbow]

the cinnabar special

[tardy cosmos]

dead dreams dont die

[haughty mural]

i thought this channel was dead

[meager valve]

wait

we found a secret channel

[regal epoch]

kuki is looking garbage
Coping dendro fixes her

[cerulean jackal]

sir this is super secret kuki cave

[mental topaz]

Kuki aged like fine wine

[shrewd crescent]

First one to talk

Pog

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

where is Noir

[hexed whale]

split scaling of hp and em

[tawdry bone]

@subtle finch

[lament cargo]

probably bedge rn

[tawdry bone]

SHES HERREEREEEE

[shrewd crescent]

Im still building Kuki Adc tbh

[teal marlin]

🧐

[small turtle]

NOIRRRRRRRRRRR

[supple oriole]

She's actually electro healer

[runic gale]

lets goooooo

[humble wraith]

DREAMS DO COME TRUE

[craggy yew]

[clear oak]

gonna post this again since I seemingly can't in the first message

https://twitter.com/dimbreath/status/1509126860206391299

Dim (@dimbreath)

[2.7 Beta] Shinobu Kit

Twitter · Mar 30, 2022, 11:14 AM

[runic gale]

logan

scroll up

[clear oak]

can't pin it

[shrewd crescent]

Her ult lasts for 2 seconds or 3.5? Interesting tbh

[runic gale]

2 when above 50%
3.5 when below

[cerulean sapphire]

Wait 45% HP every 1.5 scronds

As damage

[shrewd crescent]

Oh I know. I was thinking of it being like Lisa's ult until i saw the duration. Tbh it still reminds me of Lisa's ult

[cerulean sapphire]

And it can crit

Even if it's ST, damn

[lament cargo]

time to think about potential comps

[craggy yew]

mono electro

[shrewd crescent]

I refuse.

Next

[craggy yew]

[shrewd crescent]

Unless I replace Sara

Not that I use her anyway since c1

[lament cargo]

lame. Next

[craggy yew]

pyro kuki

[shrewd crescent]

Phys support Kuki

[craggy yew]

kuki national

kuki tazer

[shrewd crescent]

Now you're cooking with sauce

[craggy yew]

yes we repeat the same comp everytime but just replace one charac

[real yoke]

eh

[remote edge]

clarificiation on her skill, does it have a healing cap? i cant make sense of what the statement means

[unique sphinx]

no not from the kit we have seen so far

[remote edge]

her kit confusing me so much rn

[lament cargo]

but which taser ?

[shrewd crescent]

Hp sacrifice can't take her below 20%

[remote edge]

AH

GOT IT

so she has draining i see

like hu tao kinda?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

[craggy yew]

kuki xingquee anemo fischl

[lament cargo]

[unique sphinx]

Are there any hp substat swords?

[shrewd crescent]

Cooking with sauce today

[craggy yew]

[lament cargo]

[craggy yew]

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

ill do checking of kuki later

yelan seems...

[lament cargo]

bedge ?

[shrewd crescent]

None

[unique sphinx]

I guess EM swords will have to do then?

[shrewd crescent]

I guess so for that passive

[remote edge]

how does her ult work? periodic hits? taser? is it like rosaria's? ehh??

[shrewd crescent]

I think that requires gameplay

[small turtle]

most part, if video has procing footage, she could replace XQ on some comps

[remote edge]

point

[remote edge]

fischl maybe

[shrewd crescent]

No gameplay available and it disappoints me

[lament cargo]

inb4 standard icd

[small turtle]

ill check on it

on the other part, kuki looks good

[lament cargo]

iron sting for the A4
lion's roar for taser mayhaps

[remote edge]

too early to say this but i feel she can replace fischl on teams for efficiency so u dont have to put fischl + healer just kuki and someobody else for the free slot

[shrewd crescent]

True. But see Iron sting and Kazuha have a contract so Lion's roar it is

[small turtle]

i could see kuki being on yae

[lament cargo]

just get more billets

[humble wraith]

Just make another one

[remote edge]

kuki on a national/international team for sure

[lament cargo]

her c4 is interesting

[plush mirage]

Kuki e constellation extension from 12s-15s might imply her e ticks every 3s

4 ticks to 5 ticks

And does anyone have a clue on how her Q works

[lament cargo]

her E ticks are every 1.5s

[unique sphinx]

Do we have her stats yet

[lament cargo]

so 8 at c0

[lament cargo]

pins

[lament cargo]

and 10 at c2

[plush mirage]

Tick rate is confirmed somewhere?

[lament cargo]

in her kit

[plush mirage]

Oh I'm blind

[lament cargo]

the grass ring follows active character and deals AoE electro dmg every 1.5s

[plush mirage]

I am searching the table for the tick interval

Likely has icd then

[broken axle]

what are the current calcs on her healing? is it good? also this place is so chill compared to #958681411894792192 lol

[haughty dew]

I wanna know more about the side of her kit cause it looks well rounded but no gameplay worries me a little bit

[lament cargo]

kit just came out I wouldn't expect calcs till at least next week

[shrewd crescent]

I can do that but I'm saving for Sumeru craftables

[haughty dew]

Just get another billet

[remote edge]

me who has 3-6 of every billet 😭

[haughty dew]

Easier said than done

[remote edge]

i want dream solvents not billets, wanna swap

[shrewd crescent]

Hits 8 times?

[noble elbow]

hm

[remote edge]

ah maybe her ult is like amber's hm

[fast rapids]

what I'm curious about is if it's atk or hp scaling, unlikely to be hp because that would be

[remote edge]

im just sad abt the split scaling 😭 mhy pls optimize it

[fast rapids]

what split scaling?

[lament cargo]

[remote edge]

her passive has a good em boost ngl

i dont think its that relevant but its hard to ignore

[fast rapids]

We need testing for more info but info is delayed

[noble elbow]

2pc millelith 2pc thundering?

[shrewd crescent]

Amber
Electro abyss mage
Lisa

[remote edge]

yes

[fast rapids]

I'm placing my bets on 4pc tom

[lament cargo]

looks like hp scaling to me

[fast rapids]

[unique sphinx]

well at at least the split scaling this time is well done and all the relevant dmg and healing comes from HP

[plush mirage]

50% hp scaling every 1.5s seems too much

That's bigger than the first kokomi kit isnt it

[fast rapids]

no

first kokomi was 148% hp

[lament cargo]

not even close

[plush mirage]

Ic

[lament cargo]

koko was doing ganyu lvls of dmg with just vape even though she couldn't crit

[fast rapids]

anyways about the ult I don't get the duration

[unique sphinx]

I hope mihoyo keeps the hp scaling this time

[haughty dew]

Unlike Yae who the EM catalysts are awful, we don’t have an HP% main stat sword, maybe the EM part accommodates to her choice of weapon?

[fast rapids]

3.5s duration seems short

[humble wraith]

All of that hope shattered by the words of "mistranslation"

[lament cargo]

it's very short

[fast rapids]

olright

so we need info on dmg tick rate

gameplay video doko

[humble wraith]

3 weeks later

[lament cargo]

I need gameplay

[plush mirage]

Rip her extending whip sword though

[lament cargo]

well she has iron sting as a f2p option which is pretty good

[shrewd crescent]

It's literally the same duration as Amber's ult. I feel betrayed

This is a joke

[haughty dew]

Right right I forgot about that for a sec

[plush mirage]

None of her kit is for main dps despite a cool whip sword

[lament cargo]

need gameplay before I can say how good it is

[fast rapids]

this chat is peaceful, yelan tc has 15s slowmode kek

[mental stag]

hello guys .. can someone explain how Kiku's Q works? it says duration is 2/3.5

also am i misunderstanding her EM passive which says increase dmg nd healing %25 nd %75 of EM .. does that mean if she got 100 em she will deal just 25 extra dmg nd heal 75 hp only?

🤔

[real yoke]

i was hoping the free weapon would be like that sword shes holding

[remote edge]

probably really fast like amber's ult

[lament cargo]

yeah hopefully it stays that way kek

[haughty dew]

2 secs if HP higher than 50%
3.5 secs if HP less then or equal to 50%
I think?

[fast rapids]

not sure what the a4 passive means yet, but ult will probably last for 2/3.5s while doing continuous dmg

Although I hope that continuous dmg is pretty fast

[remote edge]

maybe? it's a passive after all and not very relevant, but hopefully it'll be reworked to be more covenient bc i cant imagine getting em anywhere else other than from substats

[haughty dew]

Iron Sting

[remote edge]

her asc stat is hp% right?

[fast rapids]

yeah

[plush mirage]

Ye

[haughty dew]

From the table yeah

[mental stag]

but 25 extra dmg nd 75 healing? really? thats like a total waste of a passive man

[lament cargo]

seems like yae's to me. EM boosts other stat

[haughty dew]

Shinobu gonna use 4 clam trust

[mental stag]

[craggy yew]

nah

tenacity

[mental stag]

prolly yea .. 1.5 ticc for 12 nd if C2 15 sec

[shrewd crescent]

How is it calculated. Same as Yae until proven otherwise?

[plush mirage]

4 tom with freedomsworn

[shrewd crescent]

Honestly yeah. Sorry but i hate clam with a passion so I'd rather farm this

[mental stag]

seem pretty pog to use tenacity .. only question .. how much range nd or aoe that got .. if its like Barbruhs .. its bad

[remote edge]

exactly 🥲 it's beta and there's time for it to be reworked. .. . FJFHFNH I HOPE THEY REPLACE EM WITH HP OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN GET THE BEST OUT OF SHINOBU

[fast rapids]

hopefully mv%, dmg% bonus would be

[haughty dew]

Or they switch the 25% and 75% around

[mental stag]

ikr

[remote edge]

so for healer shinobu she'll be maiden/clam? and possible 2pc wanderers if em gets better?

man i hate farming

[fast rapids]

4totm gaming

[haughty dew]

Farming is the only thing I do aside from story and spiral abyss

[mental stag]

nahh maiden is sadge arti set .. ToTM even for healer is better imo .. depending on that ES's range

[lament cargo]

That's how I'm gonna take it

[haughty dew]

Gonna be kinda sad if 4 ToTM is her main thing cause I don’t want to go to Ridge Watch again

[mental stag]

i hope it got wide enough range that it will hit enemies continously

[lament cargo]

cuz yae's A4 says every point of EM increases E DMG by 0.15%

[shrewd crescent]

Funny how the electro healer that pisses me off is the only character that has actually made me want to actively participate in TC

[haughty dew]

When the electro healer kit is interesting

[remote edge]

will the gameplay be posted later? or next day when servers up?

[lament cargo]

no idea

[remote edge]

shinobu killing herself to heal others how ironic

[haughty dew]

Wait does that proc the 4pc new set thing or nah

Echoes of smth smth

[fast rapids]

yeah but shinobu's is 25%

pretty high

[remote edge]

1. Yelan and new bow "Aqua Simulacra"
2. Kuki with hangout quests
3. Fading Twilight (free 4* bow)
4. Robot-making event for teapot
5. Music event with Itto's little drum
6. Rogue-like dungeons v2 ft. Yelan, Itto
7. Pursina's Spike event v2
8. Bosacius

UWAAAAH

[fast rapids]

oh dear itto rerun seeming likely

[forest mulch]

Where did you find this?

[remote edge]

genshin intel!

[shrewd crescent]

Wait.

[lament cargo]

yeah still gonna wait before making conclusions for now

[remote edge]

reliable leaker super

[shrewd crescent]

I realised I could have gotten Jade Cutter and given it to kuki

[forest mulch]

Oh my notifs came late

[shrewd crescent]

Jade cutter, Em/electro/more crit

[lament cargo]

oh pog she's 60 cost

[naive isle]

Is she a great support or a bad one?

[lament cargo]

I wanna know her ult ticks and her particle gen

[lament cargo]

don't know yet kit just leaked

[naive isle]

Is there a chance she is a dps with healing?

[lament cargo]

possibly

[fast rapids]

dps + healing would be nutty tho

[naive isle]

Could you ping me when you figure it out ?

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

Assuming she does both well

[amber plover]

on-field dps no, sub dps very possible

[lament cargo]

it could be. Now I need gameplay

[shrewd crescent]

I have just come to the idea that kuki may have split scaling on E and Q

[plush mirage]

At the very least it's a non circle healing that does healing

And PLEASE generate energy

[lament cargo]

I'm of the impression that the skill dmg is atk based but the DoT is HP based

[remote edge]

harbinger of dawn definitely not for kuki

[lament cargo]

sub 80 cost electro it'll be fine trust

[amber plover]

Yeah that's the case

[shrewd crescent]

I used to think that but don't you think they would have specified? Like all it says it restores hp based on her max hp

[sly raptor]

if the dot is hp based isn't 45.4% every 1.5 seconds kinda ridiculously strong

[lament cargo]

it's in the same sentence so I think both scale on HP

[shrewd crescent]

Her Q actually does tell you it's Hp scaling

[sly raptor]

I was under the impression all of her skill damage was atk

[hollow belfry]

its prob atk

[amber plover]

Her e scaling is too high to be hp% so it's attack

[winged furnace]

Would the new xiao set work on her?

[naive isle]

Can someone ping me when we found out her role?

[shrewd crescent]

I don't think it would work well no

[shrewd crescent]

@naive isle healer

[winged furnace]

Alright thanks!!

[lament cargo]

not really from a glance. She seems to drain hp like tao not like xiao

[shrewd crescent]

I missed out on a chance to build dps Kuki by not getting Jade

Oh well

[hollow belfry]

hopefully her e ticks can gen particles so she can battery yae

[remote edge]

i just hate that she needs specters

[fast rapids]

stay strong comrade

[remote edge]

building yanfei just to aimbot them

[naive isle]

How good is she as a healer?

[fast rapids]

from triple crowned koko user

[lament cargo]

[shrewd crescent]

That I cannot say because i can't. Tell

[remote edge]

from a lvl 90 888 gorou user, i empathize

[shrewd crescent]

I want to find out though

So time to do some math after my Chao mein

[fast rapids]

we need info what every point of em does

[robust timber]

is her em passive worth

or do we just stack hp as usual

and ignore it like yae

[plush mirage]

her e scaling is pretty similar to qiqi's e

[fast rapids]

mv? dmg/healing bonus? flat bonus? flat unboosted bonus?

[plush mirage]

so i will believe it scales on attack to not overdose on copium

[lament cargo]

not sure yet

[amber plover]

Since max duration of burst DoT is 3.5s we can assume it procs at least once every 0.5s? 0.25s sounds unlikely

[inland magnet]

agree, her E ability does not state that damage scales off HP%, while her Q does

[amber plover]

The E scaling is also too high to be HP%

[fast rapids]

yeah I'm also thinking the same

[inland magnet]

so, she is 3 way split scaling (E = ATK%, Q = HP%, passive = EM). now add cinnabar spindle and she's 4 way split scaling

[fast rapids]

[shrewd crescent]

Yelan mains eating nice

[amber plover]

So we basically have to decide between EM and HP% I guess

[haughty dew]

Isn’t the problem easy to solve or I’m just coping? EM weapon, Atk sands, HP everything else?

[lament cargo]

can't say just yet

need to get more confirmation on stuff

cuz hoyo's wording is sus like always

[amber plover]

Yup

I feel like they're really hinting towards Dendro at this point

[fast rapids]

not the dendro em cope again

[inland magnet]

it doesnt seem that equipping ATK sands is worth is for 40% atk scaling on E

[amber plover]

It doesn't really make sense otherwise does it?

[inland magnet]

i feel like they replaced "Dendro" with "Electro" throughout her kit

[fast rapids]

hp sands seems more likely

[amber plover]

Both Yae E and Shinobu E are DoT that benefit from EM but building towards EM is not really worth

[fast rapids]

healing and Q dmg

[amber plover]

At least yet

so shrug

[shrewd crescent]

Okay so

[robust timber]

is her burst scaling even that great

[haughty dew]

Cause like if the E has much longer field time than the Q, I feel like catering to her E would be better

[shrewd crescent]

Lion's roar hp/electro/crit

[fast rapids]

depends on if it ticks fast

[robust timber]

yah but whats the point of it

[shrewd crescent]

Or Dark iron sword/iron sting for the others hp/hp/hb with claim or Tenacity

[robust timber]

maybe if she's got low icd she could be slotted in

[amber plover]

It should tick AT LEAST once every 0.50 s

[haughty dew]

I’m thinking more of Iron Sting cause I don’t have Lion’s Roar

[fast rapids]

dmg and cleanse( )

[fast rapids]

whar why low icd

[haughty dew]

What are the ticks of Amber’s Q? It’s not the worst basis cause her Q lasts as long as Shinobu

[robust timber]

for ec ig

[fast rapids]

what's the point of fast electro app

it's only 3.5s

[robust timber]

dunno

[haughty dew]

Overload enabler let’s go TF Bennett

[robust timber]

she just drops an aoe elec dmg but like why is it there

[hollow belfry]

how far into the beta do we get particle gen info?

[fast rapids]

?

[fast rapids]

first week or so

[shrewd crescent]

@icy granite

[lament cargo]

looks like we'll simply have to wait for more cohesive info

[fast rapids]

but info seems to be delayed this time around

[robust timber]

well i have a jade cutter collecting dust so i guess ill put it on her but idk does her burst have any purpose other than to do a little elec dmg

[lament cargo]

anyways we're Noir I wanna hear his thoughts

[plush mirage]

amber is 18 ticks

[fast rapids]

maybe cleanse or something

[hollow belfry]

even if she gens like a particle every 2 e ticks thats like yae or albedo level of particle gen

energy doesn't seem to be an issue

[fast rapids]

remember qiqi has the same kind of skill but doesn't generate energy

so I'm getting anxious

[robust timber]

yea

that's my concern

[plush mirage]

yeah lmao

[robust timber]

atleast her burst is 60 cost but like

[shrewd crescent]

Wait wait wai

[robust timber]

no particle gen kinda pepega

[hollow belfry]

gen every tick to reach fischl levels

[shrewd crescent]

What if her stabbing sword into ground during ult causes that electro ring

Like electro abyss mage

[haughty dew]

If she becomes Fischl but better that would be hilarious

[hollow belfry]

prob not in dmg

but hopefully in particle gen

[robust timber]

seems a little

[hollow belfry]

very

[fast rapids]

how fast is it anyways

[hollow belfry]

but i can hope

[shrewd crescent]

Now I need to see how many times electro abyss mage hits mr

[haughty dew]

Please MHY give us a good 4 star

[shrewd crescent]

Idk so I'm assuming it's electro abyss mage but Kuki

[lament cargo]

also a reminder that qiqi, barbara and noelle are the only units that don't generate particles

[fast rapids]

oh dear healers

[haughty dew]

There’s no way they do Shinobu dirty right

[shrewd crescent]

If Kaeya and Cryo abyss mage can have some similarities then why can't Kuki and Electro abyss mage

[haughty dew]

Healer Noelle

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

ask thoma

[shrewd crescent]

Have you seen Thoma?

[lament cargo]

you're looking at it wrong seraph

[fast rapids]

[haughty dew]

Ahem, we don’t talk about Thoma

[fast rapids]

what is it

[inland magnet]

definitely need more info but it would be cool if HP/electro/crit build would be viable on kuki. however she cant be buffed with bennett or sara's atk buffs so the results are probably... mediocre still. perk of being a healer ig

[lament cargo]

my point was that every character since those 3 has generated particles

[fast rapids]

ohhh

[plush mirage]

electro trav

[fast rapids]

okay

[lament cargo]

I don't think she won't generate particles

[shrewd crescent]

That's the one reason I wanted Kuki to be dps or subdps with healing as a secondary focus

[icy granite]

Is she full hp scaling with an em passive?

[lament cargo]

generates particles

[inland magnet]

electro qiqi 😱

[fast rapids]

they learned from cbt I guess

[lament cargo]

I'll bean you

[haughty dew]

[robust timber]

her skill looks like its atk

cus 100% hp scaling is wayyy too high

[lament cargo]

not sure hoyo wording bad

[robust timber]

tho healing scales with hp ig

and em buffs that scaling but idk if its worth gotta wait for people to do calcs

[fast rapids]

should we assume c6 shinobu on day 1

[icy granite]

Bro kuki’s are yelan’s kits are so fucking confusing

[robust timber]

no

[inland magnet]

thats 675 extra healing at 900 EM

[fast rapids]

I'll look at cons for now

[plush mirage]

considering the ult is 3.5s and we assume has maaaany ticks, she can proc 7 overloads in one ult if there are anyone who can provide strong enough pyro aura

[haughty dew]

No cause I don’t have a wallet c6 Shinobu

[lament cargo]

hoyo moment. We'll need info from beta testers

[robust timber]

guess its worth then

[inland magnet]

if you are look for reaction damage, yeah definitely

[robust timber]

ive more or less grasped both their kits

[icy granite]

[lament cargo]

though I must say I like the duality between here and yelan tc

[inland magnet]

amber right?

[robust timber]

les go OL shinobu ult bot

[hollow belfry]

sunfire shinobu actually sound nice

[lament cargo]

wait a minute

[robust timber]

hol up

[inland magnet]

kuki does self electro?

[hollow belfry]

she benefits from em for both el and dmg

[plush mirage]

yeah either sunfire or amber

[hollow belfry]

[robust timber]

we dont know that

[fast rapids]

c1 idk base range yet
c2 2 extra ticks nice
c3 E + 3 lvls
c4 9.7% hp per 5s so 2-3times?
c5 Q +3 lvls
c6 150 em + death lock okay

[robust timber]

yet

[plush mirage]

sunfire kuki, a team with 3 healers

[fast rapids]

Sunfire shinobu technically okay

[pallid iris]

okay so how good is she compared to other inazuma 4 stars?

[inland magnet]

hoyo definitely wants us to lean in either em or hp, E damage is almost symbolic...

[icy granite]

Death lock?

[lament cargo]

don't know yet

[pallid iris]

and what does she scale off

[fast rapids]

she doesn't apply electro that fast so she'll apply overload most of the time

[robust timber]

hp mainly

[fast rapids]

prevents death

[robust timber]

has an em scaling passive that buffs her healing and dmg

[haughty dew]

We can’t tell yet, but that’s not a high bar

[pallid iris]

so hp>em>rest?

[inland magnet]

who knows, kit just dropped

[mossy token]

is she poopy

[shrewd crescent]

Thank Hoyoverse for not punishing me more than you already have for wanting a cool dps ninja

[pallid iris]

i know it's not i just want her to be at least sayu level

[patent ravine]

What teams does Kuki seem to be good in so far?

[fast rapids]

no verdict yet

[robust timber]

sayu carried my abyss 12 no cap

[pallid iris]

sayu is good

[patent ravine]

All I know is she can technically work as a flex w itto ✌🏼

[amber plover]

Eula healer from the top of my head

[fast rapids]

Imma wait few hours for gameplay leaks

[inland magnet]

not anemo, therefore not sayu level

[patent ravine]

Tomorrow

[hollow belfry]

i need to know if she takes off her mask on ult

[haughty dew]

Not pyro, therefore not Thoma level

[shrewd crescent]

Same thought here tbh

[robust timber]

part of her lore

is literally not taking off her mask

as in she wont let you see

[shrewd crescent]

Eula, Kuki, Fischl, Rosaria

[patent ravine]

Thoma ugly Kuki is beautiful don’t compare royalty to a peasant 🤡 /hj

[amber plover]

depending on her energy gain she may be good for taser too
if she could somehow battery Beidou which I doubt it'd be 👌

[shrewd crescent]

I wanna try Tenacity Kuki or Yae with Eula

[robust timber]

idk tbh

[patent ravine]

OHC Kuki

[haughty dew]

If you told this to others you would probably get destroyed, but I agree

[robust timber]

1.5s procs on her E but it doesnt seem to be ranged at all

[fast rapids]

shinobu keqing

[robust timber]

and her burst only lasts like 3.5s

[inland magnet]

there doesnt seem to be enough healing to get any substantial pops with OHC

[patent ravine]

Running ocean Hued in healers just for fun>>>

[patent ravine]

Yeah but funny tho

[fast rapids]

Raiden and shinobu synergy seems susge

[shrewd crescent]

Oh yeah. Beidou exists

[robust timber]

dont see a reason to use them together ngl

[lament cargo]

good

[fast rapids]

Maybe mono electro?

[robust timber]

other than haha elec funi

[haughty dew]

Beidou Shinobu would be fun

[plush mirage]

no team heals so clam doesnt seem too nice

[robust timber]

she can be use in mono elec ig

as healer

[shrewd crescent]

Shinobu pop in, e and heal Raiden for some reason, Q for mega ticks and dips

[fast rapids]

[patent ravine]

Fischl powercreep we won /j

[robust timber]

but like i wouldn't mono elec without vv

[hollow belfry]

shinobu doesn't buff tho only heal

[patent ravine]

But in all seriousness I’m interested in how she’d work in replacement of fischl prob less particles and dmg

[plush mirage]

raiden sara shinobu kazuha

[fast rapids]

if there's no healer, add shinobu

[fast rapids]

introducing yae and jean

we need calcs 🐒

[patent ravine]

Yae boring

[inland magnet]

wouldnt even barbara be better here?

[plush mirage]

i don't think she will be any better than bennett, but bennett can be used on the other side

[fast rapids]

take that back

[robust timber]

raiden yae sara/kuki jean/kazu i guess

for mono elec

[plush mirage]

maybe

[patent ravine]

😇

[fast rapids]

[plush mirage]

kuki seems to do damage though, and totm is better here than ttds barb cause sara

[fast rapids]

xiao shinobu

[lament cargo]

yelan tc

[fast rapids]

classic pick

[plush mirage]

so who knows just wait for gameplay and calc

[fast rapids]

How about we have a tea party for now

[plush mirage]

[small turtle]

her E scalings are mix of atk and hp i am assuming

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

atk on skill dmg and grass field dmg, healing is hp scaling

[lament cargo]

we're waiting for confirmation to be sure

[pallid iris]

wait would that work

[lament cargo]

but for now I'd take it as that to avoid being disappointed

[small turtle]

cause 120% HP scaling is nuts

[amber plover]

Yup it's way too much to be HP

[small turtle]

plus with a high base HP on 90

[robust timber]

no way its hp

[small turtle]

thats fucked

[robust timber]

also ascends with hp

[hollow belfry]

its definitely atk

[robust timber]

100% not hp

[small turtle]

also regarding her Q, we have no barrier scalings?

mihoyoverse wtf

[haughty dew]

If ever it’s actually hp, how stupid will her numbers look like lmao

[icy granite]

Inb4 it’s hp

[plush mirage]

barrier seems to be just a decorative word with no shield at all

[shrewd crescent]

Wait that's high base hp?

[amber plover]

The barrier might as well just be the AoE area

[lament cargo]

hoyo moment

[small turtle]

or is it a field barrier instead of a shield?

[shrewd crescent]

Jo cut the copium

[night imp]

She looks like the trashiest 4 star aloy does more😭

[amber plover]

Probably just a field barrier

[small turtle]

so like lisa's Q but with barrier

[icy granite]

I will cope all I want

[small turtle]

i am assuming

[lament cargo]

exactly the same as rosa

[crude summit]

It smells like troll in here

[young mesa]

Um just saying but. Wouldnt this make more sense to be in #・theorycrafting ?

[lament cargo]

dn them

[plush mirage]

i don't think it has any barrier related stuff at all

[lament cargo]

[robust timber]

the 'barrier' is the aoe field

[dapper walrus]

correct me if I’m wrong but I’m assuming Kuki scales off of hp as both healer and dps judging from what her kit says

[shrewd crescent]

Oh i thought it was the same as Thoma

[shrewd crescent]

Electro abyss mage

[small turtle]

it could be

[shrewd crescent]

It has to be that

[lament cargo]

nah she gets like 12k

[small turtle]

cause we have no barrier scaling

i am assuming its a barrier on the field

[shrewd crescent]

What does Thoma get?

[robust timber]

it is

doesnt say create a shield

[lament cargo]

like 10k iirc

[shrewd crescent]

Oh

[icy granite]

Can someone explain her kit in ooga booga longuage?

[robust timber]

the exorcising blade makes the "cleansing barrier"

[small turtle]

so barrier last till duration ends

[inland magnet]

if E scales with HP (really quick and rough and incomplete calc):
25000 hp (=assumption) * 1.2 (=ability) * (1 + 0.6 * 1.2) (=crit) * 1.466 (=goblet) * 0.5 (=defense) = 37822.8 damage, unaffected by atk buffs, does not include base 10% electro res of mobs

[robust timber]

and from the rest of the description we can assume that kuki was a shrine maiden

[small turtle]

if kuki hp lower than 50%, barrier last longer

[fast rapids]

E summons grass ring, grass ring does dmg and heal ever 1.5s for 12s with 15s cd

Q summon barrier
duration last longer below or equal 50% hp

[robust timber]

basically its just a fancy way of saying "does dmg to bad things"

[dapper walrus]

Someone explain kuki’s kit in razor language pls <\3

[fast rapids]

I'm here to drop fax

Her sister is a shrine maiden

[amber plover]

E - Qiqi E
Q - Electro Amber Burst

[fast rapids]

trust

[manic umbra]

how longer it last i dont get it

[icy granite]

Ok so does all of her kit scale off of hp?

[haughty dew]

Oh my

[small turtle]

it isnt stated

[robust timber]

also her E takes her hp away

[manic umbra]

her Q

[robust timber]

and she has a passive which increases healing when shes under 50% hp

[dapper walrus]

thanks a lot

[fast rapids]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Miyuki

if you want info

[small turtle]

shinobu now my favorite char

[dapper walrus]

So lose hp to heal other party members

[small turtle]

she makes omurice

[shrewd crescent]

E: heals and does damage. Split scaling probably. Also sucks hp
Q: field that does damage for 2 seconds. Or 3.5 if she's below 50% hp

Passive 1: It's her hp below 50%? More healing by 15%
Passive 2: em to spice up your life

C1: more aoe on ult
C2: more healing = more ticks for damage
C4: hitting opponent while under E healing does electro aoe damage. Can occur every 5 seconds
C6: fatal damage doesn't kill her and grants her 150 em

[fast rapids]

lesfuckinggo

[inland magnet]

if you stay on shinobu (though why would you?) you can probably heal back up

[small turtle]

i wonder if the barrier allows enemy to go it but dmg projectiles to not go in?

[shrewd crescent]

I can already tell: was forced to he a shrine maiden but didn't fit in. Left to liyue and came back to arataki gang

[small turtle]

kinda like yasuo's windwall

[amber plover]

Whether she generates energy will make or break her I think

[dapper walrus]

For dps Kuki build we have to keep her low hp during Q for longer duration and more dmg.. right?

[icy granite]

Pog

[hollow belfry]

seems weird tho a healer who benefits being low hp

[robust timber]

just has to not heal herself

[toxic arrow]

does she heal herself??

[robust timber]

not that hard to work around

[manic umbra]

I wonder if The EM is significant buff

[shrewd crescent]

Probably

[robust timber]

assume its similar to qiqi but her E depletes her own hp by 30% on cast

[toxic arrow]

we know how em buffs were last time. . .

[small turtle]

.25% of EM if i am not blind

[robust timber]

so as long as you dont stay on her she won't heal herself

[toxic arrow]

ah good

[robust timber]

25%em dmg increase and 75%em healing increase

[manic umbra]

it buff her healing and her damage

[shrewd crescent]

Yup

[lament cargo]

gameplay and confirmations when

[small turtle]

so every bit of EM is a luxury

[robust timber]

im slapping my pjc on her either way

[small turtle]

EM not dead stat once again on another electro

[amber plover]

Yeah HP% seems like the superior choice so far

[robust timber]

seems so

[manic umbra]

wait the EM buff is flat buff right ?

[lament cargo]

probably works like yae's

[winged furnace]

Tenacity possibly best set atm or is there another one?

[toxic arrow]

[amber plover]

Seems like it yes

[lament cargo]

tenacity looks good

[toxic arrow]

seems like it

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

might be like koko or zhongli scaling

[manic umbra]

wait is barrier consider as shield

[winged furnace]

Back to farming that domain ig

[manic umbra]

man we need footage

[fast rapids]

like flat bonus that can be boosted

[robust timber]

no there aint a shield

its called a barrier cus of shrine maiden shtick

[hollow belfry]

wait for calcs

[amber plover]

EOSF is also a good set but not much of a reason when totm is so good

[small turtle]

i think ADC is still the best factor out build for her

[robust timber]

it's more of an 'exorcist zone'

[toxic arrow]

the wording is unclear but no shield. I feel like it will be like barbara's note thing 😭

[lament cargo]

[manic umbra]

yeah probably

[winged furnace]

Will do but tbh I need better tenacity artifacts for zhongli anyway

[small turtle]

healing should be around 3-4k

[manic umbra]

well the good thing is she is not 80 cost

[small turtle]

[toxic arrow]

dont jinx it

[fast rapids]

pog finally

[lament cargo]

how does that compare to other healers

[amber plover]

If she's able to battery that'd be so good

[manic umbra]

akane go calcs clam kuki

[toxic arrow]

like barbara ?

[manic umbra]

[fast rapids]

Hey guys let's remember, it's still v1 of beta

[lament cargo]

if her cost goes up bro

[fast rapids]

mega dosage inbound

[lament cargo]

there's this too

they could change shit drastically

[robust timber]

istg if we have another qiqi situation

[amber plover]

I'm kind of afraid because past 4stars barely got changed in beta AFAIK
but you never know

[toxic arrow]

lets hope they only change for the better

[plush mirage]

forget about v1 of beta we have no clue on how her q even work now

[robust timber]

where her E doesnt give any particles

at all

[lament cargo]

gib info leakers

[amber plover]

Yeah if she generates no particles it'd be literally so bad

[shrewd crescent]

Tenacity for dps Kuki with c2

[hollow belfry]

she could be 90 cost for all I care as long as she gens particles every e tick

[lament cargo]

hasn't happened since the game dropped so

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

1 particle every 1.5s

[shrewd crescent]

8 ticks

[manic umbra]

is there like HP based weapon

sword

[shrewd crescent]

Jade cutter

[fast rapids]

no

[shrewd crescent]

In a way

[lament cargo]

let's figure out how she works first

[toxic arrow]

[manic umbra]

[lament cargo]

no

[shrewd crescent]

But there are no hp substats

[shrewd crescent]

You know what i mean

[fast rapids]

jade cutter for shinobu seems very expensive

[amber plover]

Omg lets run iron sting haha

[robust timber]

prob is one in 3 stars

[shrewd crescent]

Nope

[manic umbra]

fav probably one of option if there is no option

[robust timber]

oh ok

[shrewd crescent]

There's a def% sword but no hp

[lament cargo]

she deserves it

[plush mirage]

she probably will look pretty drip with pjc

[shrewd crescent]

Totally worth it

[fast rapids]

based thinking, green color scheme also good

[robust timber]

putting pjc on her for drip and that it's useless rn

[shrewd crescent]

I'd kill to get her jade cutter

[hollow belfry]

thats like 0.67/s tho

[robust timber]

got jade instead of kag

[shrewd crescent]

And I wanted to give that to Jean at one point

[fast rapids]

would you pirate an episode of anime for it

[shrewd crescent]

Depends on the anime

[robust timber]

i would

not

[small turtle]

healing = 2651.316046 with A4 on kqm standards, no dist sub on HP%, HP, EM

[lament cargo]

No comment

[fast rapids]

ghost stories en dub

[small turtle]

so 8 ticks of her healing

[fast rapids]

c2 seems pretty poggers

adds 2 extra

[lament cargo]

so a bit over 2.5k with no hp or em subs ?

[small turtle]

do we even have a healing formula

[fast rapids]

not quite sure myself either

[cerulean sapphire]

What's kuki damagebif we based on kqm standards

Like for E

[fast rapids]

I assume heal × (1+healing bonus)

I'll check kqm tcl

[small turtle]

i just used the standard outgoing dmg, removed the cr, armor, etc. Replaced the dmg% with healing bonus%

[cerulean sapphire]

I wanna know if her grass ring has some damage potential especially at c4

[lament cargo]

don't think so

it's just heal% * whatever stat it's based on * (1+ HB%)

[small turtle]

so c4 is basically fischls a4?

[lament cargo]

I think

[plush mirage]

2.6k every tick seems good enough

[small turtle]

okay calculating that is ligma

i mean its 5 seconds

[lament cargo]

5s icd though

[small turtle]

so theres a qol to it

[fast rapids]

there's this

https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/combat-mechanics/damage/damage-formula#outcoming-and-incoming-healing-bonuses-are-additive

might help

[robust timber]

i mean 9.7% max hp as a coordinated attack is pretty nice

[small turtle]

yeah its going to help me not calc how many procs it is

[plush mirage]

2 ticks

[small turtle]

thank you

[fast rapids]

yeah seems to be this case if not specific

[amber plover]

Alas I'm very satisfied with her visuals she looks amazing
Expecting her voice and abilities to look sick too

[fast rapids]

healing bonuses are additive

[robust timber]

honestly

if she has like

a segmented whip sword thing

i would be happy for life

[small turtle]

healing at 8 ticks with 1.5 second per tick in a 12 second duration = 21210.52837

[fast rapids]

[rotund moon]

U mean the naku whip

[small turtle]

so ADC it is

[fast rapids]

Is it bad if I think that's a bit too low

[small turtle]

the healing is fine

[rotund moon]

[small turtle]

[robust timber]

i mean close enough

[plush mirage]

it depends on the q damage scaling as well

[robust timber]

looks like it'll be used when she activates her skill

[fast rapids]

or maybe I have inflated thinking from kokomi

[inland magnet]

healing abilities gimp character's damage usually

[robust timber]

prob not burst tho

[lament cargo]

pretty solid imo

[plush mirage]

if Q has enough ticks to make HP investment worthwhile for the damage

[fast rapids]

yeah I have inflated expectations because of kokomi

[lament cargo]

it's probably that

[small turtle]

now i need her particle gen

GIVE IT TO ME

[manic umbra]

no clam kuki

[plush mirage]

should we have a bet on particle generation

[lament cargo]

please

[fast rapids]

I'm betting 1 particle per tick

[manic umbra]

we need ICD footage and her ER

[manic umbra]

maybe like albedo

[robust timber]

im betting 2 particles on activation and none per tick

[manic umbra]

50/50 per tick

[small turtle]

clam gives 15% healing bonus right?

[amber plover]

I'm expecting 50/50 sadly

[plush mirage]

i'm also with 50/50 per tick

[manic umbra]

yessza

[fast rapids]

what if 60%

[hollow belfry]

[pastel brook]

[plush mirage]

or max of 5 particle like yae

[small turtle]

its still the same range

[pastel brook]

hey no 30s slowmode here

[small turtle]

with no dist subs

[robust timber]

i have a gut feeling

[fast rapids]

care for some tea

[lament cargo]

well chat is behaving so

[fast rapids]

what if with dist subs

[small turtle]

dist subs would still be on atk cr cdmg

[fast rapids]

[small turtle]

i wonder

[fast rapids]

Is there a solver that optimizes both healing and atk

[crude summit]

You cant optimise something with two goals by definition

[fast rapids]

yeah seems impossible ig

if you add 4pc clam would it be different though

[crude summit]

You have to set a minimum for one and target maximising thecother, or weight it by somehow balancing the two using a scale that results in one value which can be maximised

[lament cargo]

[small turtle]

i was going to say harbinger might be good on her but forgor she sacrifice hp

anyways festering might be good

[fast rapids]

cons swap? what th-

[manic umbra]

man imagine the A4 got switch

[inland magnet]

[hollow belfry]

[fast rapids]

forgor that sword existed

[manic umbra]

her E is consider skill damage ?

[lament cargo]

[manic umbra]

thats her initial

[small turtle]

initial and the grass field dmg

her healing

i want to make clam work on her somehow

[lament cargo]

imagine her cons are just completely wrong

this about to be another koko situation

[small turtle]

clam dmg = 19090.55553

[lament cargo]

[manic umbra]

yeah she has like tenacity and clam set

[fast rapids]

in 3s?

[small turtle]

swap a4 with c4

budget fischl a4

[fast rapids]

Oh wait total

[inland magnet]

its best you dont know

[fast rapids]

I'm dum

[subtle finch]

Kit is out?

[shrewd crescent]

I have gotten my characters to almost die by the hands of an electro abyss mage for science

[fast rapids]

hello noir

[shrewd crescent]

Pins

[fast rapids]

yes

[small turtle]

yeah

help me make clam good somehow

[lament cargo]

they also accidentally added the 5s icd and there's meant to be none

[small turtle]

while still going ADC

[shrewd crescent]

And holy hell the electro abyss mage attacks fast

[inland magnet]

electro mages are savage if you get stuck

[fast rapids]

how would 4tf shinobu do anyways

I don't think it's necessary with thst uptime

[subtle finch]

Link don’t work for me

[shrewd crescent]

I had to do it on purpose to see what it would look like if Shinobu's ult was anything like that

[fast rapids]

rip

[plush mirage]

bro it's 100 uptime with c2

[subtle finch]

Anyone have the images saved

[robust timber]

i mean why

[small turtle]

this is so cope

[subtle finch]

Is it the littleKazuha kit

[small turtle]

she scales of 3 stats

this is fucked

[subtle finch]

Ily

[young mesa]

!!noir

[fast rapids]

because 4tf why not

[robust timber]

understood

[inland magnet]

equip cinnabar and she scales with 4

[manic umbra]

nope

[shrewd crescent]

It's something painful

[fast rapids]

I unironically like littlekazuha sus kit more

[lament cargo]

[fast rapids]

if the ult lasts for 3.5s it better look sick

[small turtle]

honestly

black sword for crit stat

can make way for a HP circlet

just get BP

[fast rapids]

does blacksword proc off field

the heals I mean

[small turtle]

pjc is literally BiS

both having hp, hp -> atk, crit rate

[shrewd crescent]

I'm this close to regretting getting EL

But then again I take getting Yae's weapon as an L

[small turtle]

did you get it?

[shrewd crescent]

Yeah

[small turtle]

[shrewd crescent]

I was one of the lucky few

I'm getting Jade for Kuki though

[small turtle]

PJC Kuki Healing = 22742.21026
PJC Kuki Clam = 20467.98924

[icy granite]

I’ll give you the donut for it if you want

[fast rapids]

is that total

[lament cargo]

[shrewd crescent]

No

[small turtle]

wait i didnt add the HP circlet

[fast rapids]

hold on hold on what if

[icy granite]

Would an hb circlet increase the healing more than an hp one?

[fast rapids]

triple hp

[lament cargo]

[manic umbra]

all the way tripple HP

[small turtle]

PJC Kuki Healing w/ HP Circlet = 26308.23307
PJC Kuki Clam w/ HP Circlet = 23677.40976

[small turtle]

ill check

[icy granite]

Naisu

[fast rapids]

imma lurk for now

[amber plover]

they really be giving the electro characters some nuke bursts with raiden/sara/yae/shinobu

[small turtle]

it didnt add anything, same with the PJC w/o HP Circlet

[icy granite]

[small turtle]

i could be wrong though

ill check formula

[icy granite]

Ight

[small turtle]

formula looks right

=(((24203.1088 x 6%)+739) x (1+29.73)+15%+35.9%)*8

8 = 1 proc per 1.5 second

[subtle finch]

Wait how many times does her ult hit

[small turtle]

and 12 duration

[shrewd crescent]

No one knows

[manic umbra]

8

[manic umbra]

c2 increase it to 15 sec

[shrewd crescent]

I assume it hits at the same rate as an electro abyss mage

[small turtle]

should i do c2 with PJC and HP Circlet?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes please

[lament cargo]

8 at c0, 10 at c2

[fast rapids]

we want to know that too also

[fast rapids]

ult von

[rotund moon]

Ping me when LR kuki turns out to be decent

[lament cargo]

oh wait ult

my b

[subtle finch]

Ult

[lament cargo]

shut i realized

[subtle finch]

Was bout to say 7.5% MV based ofHP hitting 8 times is stronger than beidou lol

[amber plover]

Burst should hit a minimum of 7-8 times assuming it hits once every 0.5secs
could be more frequent though considering amber ult is a thing

[plush mirage]

might be 18 times if similar to amber

[small turtle]

PJC Kuki Healing w/ HP Circlet and C2 = 32885.29134
PJC Kuki Clam w/ HP Circlet and C2 = 29596.7622

[subtle finch]

Blind first glance without doing any thinking I am very interested in this kit

[manic umbra]

her ult is 2.5 or 3 sec

[subtle finch]

What about crit circlet

[amber plover]

As long as she generates particles I love her

[manic umbra]

from what i see

[small turtle]

this with PJC, crits already enough with kqm standards

[lament cargo]

now the question is, does it hit a lot or only like 3 times

[subtle finch]

Cdmg then

[small turtle]

cdmg should be 129 with 10 dist

[manic umbra]

wait akane this is whole duration of her ult right ?

[subtle finch]

If it’s 7.5% MV based off her Hp doesn’t that mean each hit is a nuke of 1800 MV

[small turtle]

of her E you mean?

[fast rapids]

wait

[subtle finch]

Also apologies if I say anything dumb

I’ve only glanced over so far

Am on toilet

[manic umbra]

yeah E sorry

[subtle finch]

Just woke up

[fast rapids]

what's beidous flat dmg again

[small turtle]

yep

c2 allows her to use clam

[fast rapids]

mood

[plush mirage]

it's likely not MV %

[small turtle]

which is fucking amazing

now i have a reason to farm clam

[subtle finch]

100% healing up time for clam is kinda cool

Is it easy to get her below 50% HP for ult

Cuz that cult looks kinda fucking strong

Ult*

[static crypt]

Aiyoo, the TC is here, eh?

[shrewd crescent]

Are you assuming it's hp scaling or?

Wait

[lament cargo]

she drains 30% on E cast so

[subtle finch]

That’s what it says isn’t itv#?

[shrewd crescent]

I'm thinking of E

[small turtle]

so 3 seconds on the field with 1.5 second per tick

that would assume of

[shrewd crescent]

Thinking of E my bad

[subtle finch]

Where’s the other 20% come from

[amber plover]

Get punched by a hilichurl idk

[static crypt]

is the 30% drain something like hu tao? 30% based on current HP, not max HP?

[shrewd crescent]

It can't go below 20%

[subtle finch]

Why do people keep thinking in talking about E when I specifically say ult lol

[small turtle]

wait does clam pops on 3 seconds?

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

No I mean the remaining 20% to get below 50% after draining 30%

[lament cargo]

should be

[shrewd crescent]

Oh. Just gotta wait 3 seconds ig

[small turtle]

so clam = 3 second duration, occurs 3.5 second