xiangling

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heyhey!

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heyhey

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Why does this exist

Xiangling

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to xiangling

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cuz chat was on about sth else

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So here we talk about what it's like to have sac xiangling and two guobas?

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@full gust come in here I can give u more detailed advice

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what polearms do u have?

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sac xiangling chefs kiss

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artifact wise since u just started 4pc emblem is def bis

the most resin efficient domain by far

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indeed, i think you said national so you can knock out xingqiu, too

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and if u can I'd love to see what polearm u got, since xiangling can run many different ones and depend on what situation u run her in we may have different recommendations

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hi

now i currently have dragon bane

but im considering going for catch

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yeah thats perfectly fine, the catch is also very very good

and what team do u usually run her in?

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national

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with? raiden? sucrose?

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chongyun xingqiu bennett xiangling

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gotcha, and how much er does she have

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currently 125% er and she isnt built proprely since i just reached ar45

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the catch might be better cuz in classic national does require xiangling to have higher er

yeah yeah for sure thats no problem

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just out of intrest how does the national team work?

i just heard from friends that national is just 4 stars

so i use it

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okok yeah

so national team

is bennett xiangling and xingqiu

the OG national team is with chongyun indeed

but now since that team has so many variations, the core national team has been reduced to 3 ppl

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im assuming that because xiangling has high er her main dps output is burst?

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so u may have heard raiden national, kazuha national, sucrose national etc

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yep

how does xingqiu fit into the national team?

cause i heard he uses eosf as well

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yes

so xingqiu is a great hydro applicator

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for vape right?

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and hydro and pyro together do vape

yep exactly

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do i prioritize er on him as well?

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and that amplifies dmg

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since xiangling is er

i assume hes er as well?

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what weapon r u running on him?

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sac sword

lv80

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ok great

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Refine?

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and xingqiu cons?

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no cons

182% er

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Might wanna go 200+ then

On the er

What refinement on sac tho

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in that case u do wanna prioritize er a little bit

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no refinments

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Yeah you'd wanna go higher

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is there a certain goal with how much er i need

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Depends on cons and weapon

But for now 230 er is advisable

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ok thanks

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It's like 2 eosf with sac and er sands

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one more question

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yeah

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You should meet the requirements already with it

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eosf is 4 pieces

what do people mean by off piece?

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The last 5th piece

Where you you get better stats on

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so it can be anything?

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You can pick any random piece

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off piece means its not on the preferred set

so for xiangling u want esof right

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yes

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Yeah as long as it fixes and balances your stat

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4pc

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The off piece can be anything

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but if u run like a gladiator goblet on her

that's called an off-piece

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ah

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yeah yeah

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but it should have good stats right

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yes

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Yeah

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how would i get off pieces?

any way to farm for them?

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usually the off piece need to be good since not being on set is a bit of a setback already

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It should have the best fit on what you're looking for

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Anywhere tbh

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u just take em as they come

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If you're farming eosf it's high likely your off piece can be shimenawa

Or like just another eosf

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so whenever u farm artifacts for a particular person

u might get piece good for another character ur not currently farming for

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ah ok

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and that happens quite often

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whats the rate for a good artifact then?

since i saved all my resin from ar0 to ar45

and i have around 3.5k

how many good artis would i expect to get

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Uhhh

Should be more or less good enough for one character

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okok

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More if you're lucky

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so have u heard of the concept "crit value"?

or cv as we usually call it

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yes

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and do u know how we calculate that

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theres a bot right

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Ehh there is but it's quite easy to calculate

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its pretty ez in head math as well

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Just crit rate x2 added by crit damage

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ah ok

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yeah]

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so higher cv = better piece?

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So let's say you find a 3.5 crit rate and 7 crit damage piece while farming

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and thats usually a good way to calculate the value of an artifact

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That artifact has 14 crit value

Right off the bat

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thats usually the case, there are exceptions ofc

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so whats the benchmark of a good piece before you roll it

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for xingqiu and xiangling, that is the case

so for u, since u havent farmed much, ur main goal is to get the main stat right

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No benchmark tbh just roll whatever that looks good

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ight

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yep

er

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hey pride I appreciate the help but I would also kindly ask if I can take this

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Sure go ahead

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what ur saying is very helpful but I think we're on different pace

yeah thank you so much

ok

so main stats

for xingqiu, thats er, hydro dmg bonus, and crit rate

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yep

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u can switch to atk sands in the future when u get high cons

or if u rolled a lot of er in ur other pieces

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oh ok

so main stat is the most important?

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yes

so the thought process is roughly this -

set - main stat - sub stat

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ok

so how would i know what the ideal main stat is for a piece

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getting a full set is gonna be very very ez, getting all the right main stat is gonna be a little harder but still very achievable, and getting the perfect sub stat is incredibly difficult

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is there like a place where i can find it?

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ah so substats are for perfectionists

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yes, thats where ppl get salty

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oh

i noticed from the spreadsheet it only talks about 3/5 artifacts on a character

what happened to the other 2?

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https://keqingmains.com/

kqm is ur best friend, but its quite in depth

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oh tysm, it seems like an amazing resource

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for quick and ez build I'd recommend zyox's youtube channel

yeah so start with zyox's content, then if u wanna know why he recs the things he does

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thanks so much, you guys have helped me a lot

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go to kqm

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that is because

the main stat for flower and plume are fixed

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ah yeah i should have realized that

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flower will always be hp, and plume will always be atk

so thats why ppl usually have higher standards on their flower and plume

cuz u know u dont have to fish for main and sub stats at the same time

but but

before farming artifacts

how's ur talents looking

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for eosf the mobs at the highest level are lv90 and im only lv70 - 80 characters, is it advisable to use food?

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and weapon lvl

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#・coop-requests

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xiangling i have guoba 6 and pyro 6

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ppl there are very helpful

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xingqiu i have skill and burst 6

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icic

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fischl i have oz at 6

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I dont remember but u cant max ascend characters yet right?

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yeah im not ar50

kaeya is my current main dps

but i havent levelled his talents since i wont use him in future

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ahh

so ur free to farm artifacts for now, but I would still put character ascension and talent lvl to maximum priority

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oh ok ic

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since these are guaranteed and artifacts are rng

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what's an ideal talent level

before arti grinding

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shoot for 6/9/9

I would do switch it around ever so often

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for 9 id need to kill dvalin tho since xiangling needs the claw

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so artifacts for a while and talent for a while

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ight

so ideally everyone should be lv80 first right

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yeah unfortunately killing dvalin cant be cooped but as u build ur characters it should get easier and easier

so ideally

lets say xingqiu

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yep

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level 81, sac sword lvl 90, talent 6/9/9, 4pc esof, crit ratio 60/120, and er 200+

and I wrote that in the order u prioritize farming for as well

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ok thanks so much

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so character lvl, weapon, talent, fully lvl ur artifacts and then last farm for good substat

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ight

so out of the characters i use

kaeya xingqiu xiangling fischl bennnett

which one should i level first

kaeya xq fischl are lv70

xiangling lv80

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so I would raise the core national team first

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so i should level bennet

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yes

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since hes only lv60

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so xingqiu and xiangling, both sub-dps, are raised the same way

bennett tho, who is usually raised as a support

is built slightly differently

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so i should first focus on grinding talent and level materials

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yes

definitely

cuz these are guaranteed, therefore u can get ur characters as strong as possible in the least amount of time possible

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ight, thank you so much

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my pleasure!

ok we know what to do with bennett tho right?

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yep

level him

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which is?

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then talents

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yep can u lay it out like this

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his sword already level 70 since i used it on kaeya for a while

then artifacts

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this framework is really helpful tho, thanks a lot

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perfect perfect

yeah the thing with bennett is for support purposes

u dont need to worry about crit

lemme lay it out in this format

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hes just there for the buff his burst provides right

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level, (whichever sword u have with the highest/base atk white number) lvl 90, talent 6/6/9, 4pc noblesse, (no need to worry about crit ratio), and er 220+

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ok

and chong?

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also build him like a sub dps

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what's his main source of damage output?

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burst

also he provides cyro infusion for the whole team to melt with

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is it worth using my fragile resin for talent books, exp books and bosses or should that be saved

cause my chongyun is at lv20

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tbh u can use ur fragiles however u like

personally, I save them for artifacts only

but again if ur like, u know, a few books short from lvling a talent, and u really wanna test that character out

feel free to pop one

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ight

i gtg now, thank you so much for your help

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yeah! feel free to ask again in the future