Yae TC

[polar heron]

I always stop at c4 for whale waifu's then roll on rerun remaining 2

[wintry rover]

Don't pre farm wait for her entire kit first. It's only a few days anyway probably

[sudden granite]

would atk/atk/crit be better for yae if i have her weapon and im not using her in ec/ol

[polar heron]

r1 weapon

[gritty berry]

More with Welkin's. But if I end up spending 160 to get Zhongli, that's bad for Yae.

[upbeat burrow]

tysm

[sudden granite]

or is em strictly better for yae

[urban topaz]

Mhm

[wintry rover]

Guess I'll be getting less since I can't 36 the abyss

[narrow delta]

When is honey impact details coming

[urban topaz]

We don't know

[urban topaz]

We don't know

[tame hare]

beta not up yet

[narrow delta]

Need to sheet now💀

[polar heron]

for sands you probs want em

maybe

Maybe

[urban topaz]

That's just 2~ pulls lost roughly

[sudden granite]

if u run em sands u would want an atk goblet right

[polar heron]

no electro

why would you run atk%?

[gritty berry]

I just gotta win 50/50 on Zhongli.

And if I don't, I'll sue miHoYo.

[urban topaz]

[polar heron]

blessed take on gamba

do et

[wintry rover]

Pog. I usually base my primo based on me getting 27-33 stars for the abyss

[sudden granite]

wouldn’t u lack atk if u run em/electro ?

[polar heron]

it isn't valid enough for the loss of electro tho, and depends on your weapon

[sudden granite]

i see

[polar heron]

I think the em stat could also be like mona where its there and helps but dont hard invest into it

[sudden granite]

yeah

[urban topaz]

[polar heron]

The increase is quite big though per em

[signal geyser]

Do we know yaes crit rate stat ,, amount?? Would lost prayers to the sacred winds be overkill??

[polar heron]

so idp on weapon kinda like raiden with your ratios

[sudden granite]

its 28% right

[inner mesa]

it should be like 24%

like xiao, diluc, itto and yoi

[sudden granite]

for a em sands alone

[narrow delta]

Prolly to incentivise EC comps?

[urban topaz]

Childe yae, I knew it

[sudden granite]

would yae be the one procing ec tho

[urban topaz]

[polar heron]

if I knew what was procing but that makes me so happy for my koko ec team

[signal geyser]

Hmm would 92/198 work, or should I do the widsith??

[narrow delta]

Depends on icds and when it actually procs

[slow prawn]

I’m just gonna drop this here but

[sudden granite]

yeah

[polar heron]

Even though it isn't top pick just gonna run yae fischl koko and yj

[slow prawn]

Em won’t be worth BUILDING on Yae

Buffing it yes

[narrow delta]

Generally maybe 7-8

[slow prawn]

Em sands or cup is cringe

[inner mesa]

well there's a lot of "it depends"

[polar heron]

IDP again,

It can be really good depending on the situation em sands

[urban topaz]

!idp

[clear gazelle]

Depends on character
Depends on weapon
Depends on move
Depends on target
Depends on moon phase
Depends on your astrological star sign

It Depends™️

[narrow delta]

Wait

[polar heron]

em cup tho

[signal geyser]

Okie dokie artichokie

[narrow delta]

2-5 EC procs

[polar heron]

yeah

super what if

[narrow delta]

Mb just checked my sucrose taser sheet

[polar heron]

yesterday asked for kazoo ec

apparently better for ec specifics

Never got any sheets tho

to compare differences

[cold cairn]

Sac frags for yae calling it rn🙏🏾

[narrow delta]

Cos of how his Q lasts longer than sucrose and reaction priority stuff

Idk

[polar heron]

yeah thats what I got basically yest too

[cold cairn]

Sig what do you think her rot will be

[polar heron]

pretty straight forward

[cold cairn]

For now I’m thing Q 3E

[polar heron]

just wanted a raw comparison since i've never seen the dps difference

[cold cairn]

To have the totems last thr whole rotation

[narrow delta]

Quick swap ish

Just weave Es during rotation

[cold cairn]

Hmm

[polar heron]

wonder if you can animation cancel the e

brr

probs not tho because of sara and shit

[cold cairn]

If her Q can buff elemental skill damage more reason for Q 3E

[narrow delta]

Sara

[polar heron]

doesn't even use e now in comps

burst bot

[hallow sinew]

I hope widsith for sara

[narrow delta]

Ya it’s likely Yae is best used in extended rotations

[cold cairn]

Seems so

[narrow delta]

Which Raiden happens to enable well

So

[cold cairn]

Her and Raiden seem good together but the rot will be weird

[polar heron]

Taiko: sqeeee

[jolly onyx]

has anyone figured out which consts could be a good one to aim for (not c6 👀)

[sacred sphinx]

Hoping Yae's totems snapshot so she can be used with Sara

[narrow delta]

No cos no numbers are out

[polar heron]

nothing snapshots sara at this point

[cold cairn]

I don’t think so cuz her totem gain level

[polar heron]

also this

• her 5s con makes me assume it isnt too

[narrow delta]

Mechanicus

All over again

[jolly onyx]

aight waiting until beta ig

[sacred sphinx]

fuck

[balmy cosmos]

they can snapshot stats of yae if their levels are purely pre-set % increases

[sacred sphinx]

[narrow delta]

Queen of clunky

[polar heron]

literally only reason why I don't use her even tho I love

her animation on burst

so good

I love birds so much

birb

[sacred sphinx]

Tbh she's not that clunky at C2 with Raiden

Just EQ and switch

[polar heron]

yeah it isn't but what people are doing even with that con is strictly bursting

dire

[narrow delta]

I think I’ll try writing a config for Kazuha taser

[polar heron]

highkey love ur

[narrow delta]

See how it goes

[polar heron]

EC 🙇

[narrow delta]

[polar heron]

literally my sole purpose for kazuha rolling

ec

yum yum yum yum

[sacred sphinx]

Tbf the only point of using E is to buff her own burst dmg

[polar heron]

yeah

it feels nice for fun tho

dont have c2

[narrow delta]

I think Ill do it with xq?

To keep things fair with sucrose taser counts

[sacred sphinx]

Yeah in that case don't ever use E

[narrow delta]

Xq fischl beidou Kaz

[sacred sphinx]

They did her base kit dirty

Hmm if Yae encourages quickswapping maybe constantly swapping to Sara to proc crowfeather might be a good stategy

[polar heron]

it had so much more potential too to be just smoother and balanced electro benny too

[sacred sphinx]

One can only dream

[polar heron]

have fun trying to figure out that team buddy

I tried doing it before I gave up half way holy fk

[cold cairn]

If only Sara’s 4th con further extended her buff

[polar heron]

ec why r u painful to calc

[sacred sphinx]

If they just made her C2 into her base kit and extended her burst duration she would've been pretty decent

[narrow delta]

Xq EQ> fischl E/Q> Kaz hold EQ> Beidou EQ> Kaz stuff?

[sacred sphinx]

Less damage buff than Bennett, but easier to proc and 100% uptime

[narrow delta]

Not sure if 4p tf is better here

[polar heron]

Sara still apparently gets stuck on shit even tho mihoyo adressed it

[sacred sphinx]

Yeah, I was expecting that

[inner mesa]

[sacred sphinx]

Remember when they "fixed" Mona's dash

[topaz raft]

Why are we tc'ing kazuha?

[polar heron]

I don't own kazoo so I don't really know his rotations But this is basically how I do it for venti so that bei has energy running for her too

[sacred sphinx]

It feels smoother but it still gets stuck everywhere and has that U turn thing

[narrow delta]

Just for fun

While waiting for beta

[sacred sphinx]

Yeah, not much to say about Yae atm

[inner mesa]

it's not like we have yae's scalings

[polar heron]

also would be useful for ec yae

pspspsps....

[cold cairn]

Eternal Sakura seems like it has a lot of promise depending on how Yae’s E works

[cinder flax]

you think yae is gonna use shogun mats?

[cold cairn]

Seems like it would be a stronger Rai Fisch

[cinder flax]

when azdhada came out, eula came in the same patch?

[cold cairn]

Which would be fucking insane

[keen merlin]

cope

[alpine breach]

Does swirl count as tf btw

[polar heron]

at least we know for certain yae's e isn't atk speed based like c6 fischl so it depends on the timers on each tic

[topaz raft]

Just sad yae E is single target

[polar heron]

[inner mesa]

ait calm down with the guesses and cope ok

[alpine breach]

Its multi target because she have 3

[narrow delta]

Woah

[cold cairn]

Just get C2

[polar heron]

Crazy!

[topaz raft]

Depending on the cds

[narrow delta]

He clears wolves in less than 1 min

In 12-1-1 and c1

[alpine breach]

Thats easy

[polar heron]

Actual god

[narrow delta]

Only problem

Is his AAs apparent lack of range

[alpine breach]

Rai fischl is that op

[narrow delta]

But his animations are cool anyways so wtv

Screw range

[alpine breach]

Wait who?

[dim eagle]

Could Yae be good with Mona?

[polar heron]

prime tc how to fit in badass animations + good dmg

[topaz raft]

Likely no

[polar heron]

this emote lmao

no eyes

[cold cairn]

Wasn’t Rai fisch like 55k dps I need to ask Raikh for his calcs

[narrow delta]

Best tc

[topaz raft]

60k

[cold cairn]

Good god lmaooo

[upbeat burrow]

raifish is a bit less

[dim eagle]

Yeah lol

[upbeat burrow]

53 or 56k

[upbeat burrow]

depending on ST vs aoe

[topaz raft]

RaiFish was 60k, I asked yesterday

[upbeat burrow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFsdtfmKUR2vSOJIP30KEMdVEtqKn3-CQHtLUXniSW8/edit#gid=1560239243

raikh amended the calc

[topaz raft]

Ah there's a new version

Ty

[upbeat burrow]

yh

np

[dim eagle]

And Raiko might beat that... Omg

[narrow delta]

His aoe is better than sucrose suprisingly

Clears are more consistent

[upbeat burrow]

whose

[polar heron]

kazoot

[upbeat burrow]

oh yeah

[polar heron]

His E is really enticing for me

[dim eagle]

Yeah it's real fun

[cold cairn]

Eternal Sakura‼️‼️

[topaz raft]

Quad swirls on kazuha? How do you make sure than happens though?

[muted copper]

Wait so when does beta start (i.e. when can we expect numbers)

[dim eagle]

Seems like Yae will be a QS unit

[cold cairn]

I believe tomorrow

[alpine breach]

Kz?

[upbeat burrow]

im assuming this is double swirling twice in 2 targets

[alpine breach]

Oh

[upbeat burrow]

have to ask raikh tho

[muted copper]

hmmmmm

[narrow delta]

Sucrose actually wants to do AA for more beidou / xq procs or it’s a dps loss

Even double swirling with her CA is slightly worse

Cos of that

[cold cairn]

Each yae totem has 250% MVs

[junior fjord]

Hello, what would be the yae teams formed for now? I was thinking of some but i want to see yalls opinions first

[hallow sinew]

200% per hit

[topaz raft]

No idea, we don't know her kit

[young pulsar]

It will most probably be yae wepon right?
https://twitter.com/Ubatcha1/status/1475998976616767495?s=20

UBatcha (@Ubatcha1)

[Questionable]

The free weapon in 2.5 will be a catalyst.

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[hallow sinew]

Hits every 0.9sc

Hopefully

[polar heron]

cope ngl

[hallow sinew]

And people said it's going to be that lanternish catalsyt but I doubt it

[junior fjord]

Her kit is almost entirely on the leaks channel

[vestal olive]

I can tell you she'll use XQ most likely since EM is a thing for her.

[inner mesa]

maybe or maybe not

[hallow sinew]

It'll almost certainly match her design.

[alpine breach]

Not really

[polar heron]

he means the multipliers

[alpine breach]

She doesnt need xq

[junior fjord]

Ohh

[polar heron]

yeah bad wording is bad no problem

lol

[drifting oak]

its possible it might be good f2p option for her, or someone else, or general purpose option

[fleet cave]

EM stat
skill dmg and skill crit like festering desire
trust

[junior fjord]

Yeah, we dont know mults yet :C_HuPepeSmile:

[hallow sinew]

Every event weapon except festering desire and that fish claymore matched the limited character in that patches design

[vestal olive]

What are some other options? Or are we just waiting for her kit first?

[fleet cave]

festering desire makes sense with traveler

[polar heron]

basically why sigurd is boredom crafting kazoo rn

[hallow sinew]

Yeah but it'll probably still be worse than widisth 🙂 Lmao

[void thistle]

i wrote a kilometric text on why 4TF yae will probably be best but i need to know Q CD to verify it

[hallow sinew]

i guess mults tommorow with beta

[void thistle]

[hallow sinew]

can't wait

[alpine breach]

Shes not a main dps she want alot of off fielder that spam e and Q to proc this
Characters other than Yae can trigger “Keikaku” (TL note: Keikaku means plan) (TL note 2 from Holy: it’s not the best TL but fuck you I like the meme), which shortens Yae’s E (post says E but I'm not too sure if it's E or Q) cooldown. Using E or Q on other characters shortens her cooldown by 1 second each. Can occur only once every 1.8s.

[ebon root]

2wt 2tf

[cold cairn]

Luckily I have an R5 Widsith

[polar heron]

I'm honestly excited enough with yunjin so waiting on yae won't be that dire

[hallow sinew]

Idc i love yae but i have never stepped in that domain and never will so she can use pieces

[stone plover]

Anyone have any thoughts on Yae cons?

[junior fjord]

Well, would she really need xq? Unless taser comp; i was thinking about overload if shes not like klee with xl benny kazuha

[alpine breach]

Someone like xq isnt that good when you need aa to proc him

Xl is better even kokomi

[stone plover]

Thinking about skipping ganyu for c1-2

[ebon root]

Seems like sucrose with sacfrag is her best support

[void thistle]

does yae Q initial cast have any dmg besides lethal sakura detonation?

[hallow sinew]

I'm not 😭 it's gonna be like 2.2 for me all over again when I was waiting for itto

[alpine breach]

Sac frag will make rotation smoother yes

It color is purple too

It fit her

[polar heron]

good luck holding on that was me for a long while before hu tao came out

[alpine breach]

I have it raised

[void thistle]

yae def runs xiangling and beidou

[cold cairn]

Seems so

[cold cairn]

Eh

[alpine breach]

Not really

You dont aa with yae

[undone kernel]

Sucrose, Yae, Xiangling, Kokomi

[alpine breach]

She e and e alot

[polar heron]

not a def just an option you can do

[cold cairn]

She’s an Offield unit

[alpine breach]

You can

[ebon root]

For me theyre meh. Will depend on how the totems work. Def shred on c6 broken ofc

[void thistle]

imo yae is a driver with a high dmg potential of her own

[alpine breach]

But overload tho

Kinda pepega

[void thistle]

at least in 4TF

[wintry rover]

Wait doesn't this mean her E could not get a reduced cd if it's not true and it's for her Q? even though it's probably E

[alpine breach]

If no kz

[ebon root]

Why no AA on Yae? Do we know the multipliers yet?

[stone plover]

Not even defense shred, it's defense ignore right?

[junior fjord]

Oh wait, im soo dumb, ive been talking about kazuha for like 3 months and forgot about sucrose
Also, c2 kazuha would work really well with her, wouldnt he?

[alpine breach]

Its more her E

[cold cairn]

Depending on her Normal atk MVs she might be a pretty good onfield dps

[alpine breach]

Her weapon is E based too

[ebon root]

Its not the same?

[inner mesa]

no

[polar heron]

No, but her cons and base kit implies it's e focused

[hallow sinew]

Yae's aas will probably be fine because she's a catalyst so it's not like you're building elemental dmg and have to use phys attacks

[stone plover]

[topaz raft]

Yeah, just like we knew Xiaos kit. If he had a 40 cost Q we wouldn't need a battery. If he generated particles during his Q he wouldn't need as much battery. If he didn't need a battery we wouldn't need 2 Anemo on his party. If his NA scaling was better and his plunge dmg was worse he'd be an auto attacker, and stuff like XQ and Beidou would be good with him, which aren't as good now. See the issue?

[stone plover]

Defense ignore happens after defense shred

[hallow sinew]

It's not gonna be as cope as main dps zhongli or an6tg.

[polar heron]

it's just most likely her best top pick teams will use her off field

big difference people seem to not get

[void thistle]

not very sure abt beidou-yae synergy with 4TF, but i firmly believe xiangling-yae will be massive and overload in general

[fleet cave]

def shred on C6 implies long-lasting off field def shred that can be enjoyed by everybody instead of just the user (raiden) or just for 6s (ayaka)

[stone plover]

So if a char shred 40% defense and another ignores 50% defense they'll only ignore the remaing 50% of 60%

[alpine breach]

Ye the optimal yae team never aa

Because you switch to e and q everything you have

[ebon root]

How many sec will Yae probably use for 3 E deploy + Q?

[void thistle]

we dont know if we Q instantly as we cast all 3 E or Q a little after

[junior fjord]

Is yae supposed to be a off field dps?

[topaz raft]

Just run Fischl

[polar heron]

we don't know

[topaz raft]

E spam

[void thistle]

definitely not

[cold cairn]

It doesn’t seem to def shred seems to def ignore like Raiden

[cold cairn]

Why do you say that?

[alpine breach]

Energy problem

[polar heron]

[fleet cave]

oh sucks

[alpine breach]

If you spam oz

[void thistle]

because of her E CD reductions

[undone kernel]

Her leaks so far point a LOT towards her skill kdjxsnxn

[torpid berry]

C6 is def ignore

[void thistle]

shed require a lot of switching in

[torpid berry]

Not shred

[polar heron]

fischl fixes her own er

[cold cairn]

She’d be Offield then

[junior fjord]

Cuz for now im getting the vibe of use all E then Q and get off of her; especiallt if her AA/CA are clunky or have low mults

[undone kernel]

Also I'm kind of sure her CD reduction works off field

Like EMC

[alpine breach]

No but spamming e to recast oz doesnt make energy at all

[polar heron]

same, since it's procing off field, also would make her c1 kind of cope

[narrow delta]

https://streamable.com/slz4pv

[alpine breach]

We can spam that shit to eternity

[slow prawn]

This, meaning def shred doesn’t play nicely with ignore

[polar heron]

this is literally the waifu reaction of the game to me without it turning too nsfw

omg

[torpid berry]

Wdym they work together great in calculations

[cold cairn]

Yae leans more Offield currently there nothing in her kit that indicates she’s required to be on field

[fleet cave]

who can spam E and Q in electro?

[undone kernel]

Her sussy A1 wants teammates to use skill and ult, how tf is she gonna capitalize on that on field

[stone plover]

Def shred makes it so defense ignore loses value

[narrow delta]

21s rotation

[inner mesa]

[polar heron]

you wouldn't usually recast tho

[stone plover]

It'll still be more dmg, but not stacking

[alpine breach]

He said spam the e

[slow prawn]

What

[inner mesa]

that looks dope

[alpine breach]

So ye

[cold cairn]

This can change depending on how Her E functions

[polar heron]

pretty sure they mean keeping it on field

[slow prawn]

Raiden’s ignore applies after the shred

[ebon root]

Does Q explodes and removes the lethal sakuras?

[slow prawn]

So you end up ignoring less

[void thistle]

off field dps dont tend to switch in as often as yae would considering cd reduction on E

[slow prawn]

[alpine breach]

Wont spamming bennet E will proc it more???

Bennet is 2 second cooldown

[sacred sphinx]

Reading the description, it seems so

[muted copper]

Guys look at the art for her passive, it's clearly a reduction in CD

[polar heron]

actually how do you record genshin

[torpid berry]

Def shred still adds a lot dmg tho

[alpine breach]

It have icd of 1.8

[undone kernel]

Ohhhh I THINK I know why sus uncle said raiden-yae wasn't too good

It's probably bc the ult counts as elemental skill dmg

[wintry rover]

Hell yeah

[polar heron]

• her weapon

[inner mesa]

don't play on a potato

[cold cairn]

This all depends on how her E skill works

[frozen lily]

fischl can spam e

so can lisa

[polar heron]

raiden will still work tho cuz er skill issues

[ebon root]

Then we wont be able to capitalize the turret feature if quick swap 3EQ since we explode it right away?

[cold cairn]

If her E skill has charges you won’t need to switch in to Yae constantly

[polar heron]

I already have that tell me the next step boss

[wintry rover]

That's what we were speculating

[torpid berry]

Yes

[polar heron]

[torpid berry]

It’s q3e

[void thistle]

ult has initial cast dmg and lethal sakura explosion, these are most likely 2 different effects

[torpid berry]

Not e3q

[inner mesa]

i think most people use OBS or smth

[alpine breach]

You can still run raiden with yae for easy rotation and energy

[narrow delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xLp5n8YFD7sznOt0YY-oBgCp5tYfTucK4MU0_aPV7AI/edit?usp=sharing

[cold cairn]

I’m def going with Q 3E

[ebon root]

Ahh i see we dont explode them

[polar heron]

crazy time to brick

[alpine breach]

Idk other optimal yae team tho

She doesnt look like can use shime

With how her e work

[void thistle]

4TF

[alpine breach]

4tf make sense

[torpid berry]

She’s getting her own artifact set

[narrow delta]

higher than normal er requirements for beidou

[muted copper]

yeah no, idk why people were saying SR

[void thistle]

yae xiangling bennett kazuha/sucrose

[alpine breach]

Finally a true tf user

[cold cairn]

I mean it’d still be good since yae will prob need energy

[ebon root]

Does tf work offfield

[torpid berry]

She’s getting her own artifact set

[cold cairn]

And her intial hit will prob be burst damage

[muted copper]

?????? was this indicated at all??

[alpine breach]

Maybe an e based artifact

We dont really know

[inner mesa]

you'd run emblem with er sands then right ?

[alpine breach]

Better wait

[torpid berry]

Yes there is an arti domain coming with 2.5

[void thistle]

keqing is

not her

[supple zodiac]

No it doesn’t

[neon finch]

OBS is widely regarded as the best streaming/recording tool for pc, you could use nvidia shadowplay if you have that

[narrow delta]

ER sands isnt needed

[muted copper]

from where??

[frozen lily]

yae cant have her cake and eat it too. either her burst has 100% burst dmg for raiden and has like no synergy with her kit or its skill dmg and raiden synergy is... ehh

[inner mesa]

[narrow delta]

but prolly

[polar heron]

isn't for keqing either ngl

normal attacking set

[narrow delta]

to have more crit in subs??

[polar heron]

if true

[void thistle]

and this is exactly why yae isnt off field dps

[alpine breach]

I would still use raiden with yae

[polar heron]

omegalul...

[fleet cave]

yeah sus rumors said normal attacks and plunge gets artifact first

[narrow delta]

idk solver thing

[void thistle]

[alpine breach]

I have kz and bennet

[torpid berry]

Nah we only know domain exists rn

We don’t know what the set is

[alpine breach]

If yae e snapshot i already have her TEAM

[frozen lily]

remember bell of gonyu healing?or something like that

the leak with like 6 arti sets

[torpid berry]

And genshin has never released a domain that doesn’t work with the current character

[polar heron]

I should do have nvi

[fleet cave]

bennett, sara, jean, yae?

[tame hare]

sara ?

[muted copper]

hmmmm

[sacred sphinx]

There might be a cooldown between turrets. Or she might have a Raiden-like feature where she shouldn't use her Q right away

[polar heron]

I'll properly look into it later since it would be good for discussion demos when someone asks

[sacred sphinx]

We don't really know at this point

[supple zodiac]

Sara c6 doesn’t snapshot but it depends on how long her totems stay on field

[topaz raft]

Copy whatever Raiden team, swap Raiden with yae, done

[cold cairn]

Yae will be either Offield or some kind of weird swap in-out unit depending on how her E can be cast

[void thistle]

imo yae (4TF) best comp will be yae-xiangling-bennett-4VV/zhongli

[alpine breach]

Or just rotate between each other

[frozen lily]

no vapes for xiangling is sus imo

[alpine breach]

If you want st dmg use Yae q for resolve stack

[void thistle]

bc its supposed to focus on yae overload

[alpine breach]

If you want aoe use yae eee for it

[void thistle]

that benefits from 4TF effect and EM

[frozen lily]

i think yae kazuha bennett jean might work, replacing raiden in terenal sul

[sacred sphinx]

It's unlikely that Yae will snapshot because one of her skills increases her turret level

[drifting oak]

4tf on both benny and yae

[polar heron]

why is jean there

[sacred sphinx]

So she probably won't snapshot anything from Sara, not only her C6

[cold cairn]

Yae prob has energy issue looking at her C1

[torpid berry]

Also it’s makes her weapon bad

[fleet cave]

make it eternal spring

[supple zodiac]

Her weapon doesn’t either right? It increases skill dmg after each use

[fleet cave]

spring implies both sun and sakura

[frozen lily]

oh wait yeah kaz would infuse pyro

[alpine breach]

Eternal sun in general a great core but we dont know if yae can make her ult up without another electro

[torpid berry]

Sunfire only works with Jean

[ebon root]

how is this looking for Yae

[sacred sphinx]

Haven't read the passive yet 😅

[alpine breach]

Decent

[polar heron]

ah its sunfire alt

ok

[cold cairn]

I’m going Eternal Sakura + Sun

[alpine breach]

Can farm higher cd

Because yae is cr ascend

[sacred sphinx]

Artifact set?

[frozen lily]

i guess we'll need to see her particle gen

[torpid berry]

48% e dmg after 3 es

[torpid berry]

Tf

[wise sparrow]

You're basing this off what exactly?

[ebon root]

Will try. With her weap im gonna be at 92/207 crit ratio

[torpid berry]

Genshin has never released a domain that doesn’t work with that updates character

[void thistle]

the fact yae benefits from E dmg the most and A4 passive

[alpine breach]

Ye im worried if she have high cost but pepega generation

[torpid berry]

Like raiden or itto

[alpine breach]

Too much cr damn at least you never gonna be fucked by rng

[torpid berry]

Ninth why the pepega

[frozen lily]

inb4 no yae changes during all of beta

[alpine breach]

Test it if you need more cd later

[torpid berry]

Except adding def shred

[sacred sphinx]

I mean the artifact set probably won't be good on her

[cold cairn]

Isn’t it a little too soon for another arti domain?

[torpid berry]

Nope

[drifting oak]

no

[alpine breach]

Thats true

[tame hare]

no

[sacred sphinx]

Yea she's definetely not snapshotting

[frozen lily]

i mean there are 3 turrets. if they deal significant damage (likely will) its a lot of crit checks

[cold cairn]

When was the last arti domain added?

[upbeat burrow]

overload xiangling?

[torpid berry]

2.3

[void thistle]

inb4 abyss timer stop during Q animation

[tame hare]

2.3

[drifting oak]

esp with inazuma not having much arti domains to start with compared to the other two regions

[inner mesa]

[frozen lily]

bubble domain

[void thistle]

overload yae

[sacred sphinx]

However, if Yae has a quickswap playstyle you might be able to swap to Sara to buff her frequently

[drifting oak]

and last domain after husk was 2.0

[ebon root]

With her weapon, would it be better to use ATK goblet if using EM sands?

[upbeat burrow]

sounds fun

[cold cairn]

2 patches after? That seems too soon

[frozen lily]

dunno

[void thistle]

EM electro benefits more from overload than electrocharged

[torpid berry]

Nope it’s pretty average

[void thistle]

just think abt EM lisa

[tame hare]

no

[frozen lily]

what was the gap for the paleflame domain

[void thistle]

[cold cairn]

3 or 4

[drifting oak]

post release arti domains were released in
1.2, 1.5, 2.0, and 2.3 iirc

[cold cairn]

I don’t think it’s ever been 2

[torpid berry]

1.5

[cold cairn]

2.6 maybe

2.5 doubt it

[drifting oak]

I think this may be a different story tbh considering inazuma is a post release region

[ebon root]

Its 2 for pale flame and shime. 1.5 and 1.7/2.0

[frozen lily]

1.5 > 2.0 had only 1 update between them

[drifting oak]

and sumeru might be creeping up soon

yea

[cold cairn]

Oh ok

[inner mesa]

isn't it like 3 per region

[cold cairn]

Nvm then

[drifting oak]

4 for liyue

[inner mesa]

or am i forgetting something

[torpid berry]

1.5 to 2.0 was two patches

[sacred sphinx]

Don't expect mHY to follow patterns, they can break them anytime they want

[drifting oak]

iirc monds only has VV/Maidens, BS/HoD, TF/TS

[sacred sphinx]

And that's exactly what they usually do

[inner mesa]

yeah and liyue has noblesse/CW/PF

[drifting oak]

no one said they had so, just that it seems like a good time to

[drifting oak]

and archaic

[torpid berry]

Wait 1.0 to 1.2

[drifting oak]

[torpid berry]

That’s two patches

We are stupid

[inner mesa]

bad set doesn't exist

[drifting oak]

either way, a new arti set seems soon

[torpid berry]

But mhy always releases domains for current character

Cause it’s a soft buff

[inner mesa]

2.5 seems reasonable

[torpid berry]

Itto, eula, raiden

[fleet cave]

except when the character is the buff
like kazuha

[ebon root]

New domain in 2.5 seems timely for a new domain on a new area/ sumeru in later patches

[drifting oak]

yea, I'd suspect + next region feels like it coming soon and then another domain in that region

[torpid berry]

There was no arti domain during kazuha

[fleet cave]

oh you mean artifact domain releases together with the character that uses it

[frozen lily]

good kazuha artis take more resin than farming a decent new set

[upbeat burrow]

I hope OL Yae is good...

[hallow sinew]

maybe they'll wait till chasm for a domain in the chasm

[inner mesa]

yeah, one more domain for inazuma then sumeru gets it's 3 make sense

[drifting oak]

yea

[hallow sinew]

stop I'm so close to being done one more em piece but it's taking so long

[cold cairn]

I do expect a few of Yae’s best teams to include Raiden

[drifting oak]

I think if they'll release new arti and nothing for chasm the domain will be in enkanoyima

[inner mesa]

one of them will be 5 star ins

[alpine breach]

Same

Or at least fischl

[cold cairn]

Yea

From her C1 she might have some energy issues or energy needs

[torpid berry]

I can’t wait for my 180 lantern rite pulls

[alpine breach]

Yae fischl sucrose kokomi

[inner mesa]

[torpid berry]

(Real)

[alpine breach]

For electro charge

[torpid berry]

I saw it on YouTube it’s def real wdym

[hard socket]

HELLO, I AM PANDA!

[hallow sinew]

I hope they give 19680 primogems 🥺🥺

[cold cairn]

Depending on the MVs of her Skill Yae’s C2 sounds pretty good

If they change it to her C1 I might pull for it

[hallow sinew]

wtf does the aoe do if it targets one enemy 💀

it doesn't make sense at all...

[ebon root]

RAnge

[drifting oak]

its single target dmg

[hallow sinew]

oh lmao

[drifting oak]

but dmg like that SOMETIMES have very SMALL aoe to it

[cold cairn]

But since Raiden might get a rerun during her patch if her C6 isn’t her C2 I’m not pulling for her cons

[drifting oak]

so should be bigger aoe

[fleet cave]

ning C1

[vestal olive]

Yae Totem and Lethal Sakura is the same thing, yes?

[drifting oak]

unless its referring to attack range detection

[ebon root]

Yes

[drifting oak]

but I doubt the latter

[wintry rover]

Oz summon

Why does no one consider this

[ebon root]

Does E deal dmg upon casting

[drifting oak]

dunno

[torpid berry]

I hope yae does 10k per e tick

[cold cairn]

If it’s increased by 100% that probably means it can hit two targets or sum

[torpid berry]

[frozen lily]

i think itll be oz range > ganyu range or ningguang aoe > klee aoe

[hallow sinew]

idk i find use oz

[torpid berry]

30k per tick

[cold cairn]

Prob

[torpid berry]

No it just means it has better range

[drifting oak]

yea, iirc sayu's Q turret is very single target and A4 makes it aoe, ie having better range

[fleet cave]

electro albedo

[drifting oak]

also ning c1

[cold cairn]

If it has similar MVs to Oz the you should be able to get you could prob get to that tbh

[torpid berry]

3 turrets tho and imagine it hits once a second

30k dps

[hallow sinew]

but it doesn't specify only hitting one character

i mean one target

i hope she starts with 3 charges

[drifting oak]

it doesn't, but in gameplay it does target one foe

[cold cairn]

Same

[hallow sinew]

and i hope she has raiden type uptime

[inner vector]

[torpid berry]

Cope

[hallow sinew]

I am

[alpine breach]

Doesnt yae E smack enemy 1st

[cold cairn]

Her E has to have some pretty insane uptime to make her Rots less weird

[alpine breach]

Before applyig the totem

[cold cairn]

Prob

[hallow sinew]

and I hope she has bennett aoe

[drifting oak]

skill text doesn't say she deals dmg upon activation for E

[alpine breach]

So its just a sara e type

[drifting oak]

yea or mona iirc

[inner mesa]

[hallow sinew]

Means it needs to have cracked mults to be viable

😁

[ebon root]

Does c1 give 21 energy for 3 Es

[torpid berry]

Mona aoe

[cold cairn]

All turret units have an initial hit tho

[drifting oak]

I believe her E doesn't do dmg on cast, just from the turret dmg

[hallow sinew]

Mona aoe is good right?

[torpid berry]

Lmao

[drifting oak]

this one doesn't so

[torpid berry]

No it’s horrible

[hallow sinew]

How i use her it's fine

[inner mesa]

[cold cairn]

We’ll know when we get the MVs tomorrow

[hallow sinew]

Idk why I'm asking 💀

[torpid berry]

Yae has some really complex skill that is impossible to tc

[hallow sinew]

idk how much more aoe you'd need then lol I've never needed more

[inner mesa]

how many turret units do we even have

[hallow sinew]

ACTUALLY that's probably cuz it's a taung

[torpid berry]

3

[drifting oak]

also, sayu's text says it attacks a nearby opponent. not specifying but would grammatically means it targets one opponent
and it does so

[hallow sinew]

I hope they make her totems taunts

[inner mesa]

like zhong and fischl

[topaz raft]

You can only have 3 turrets, even with c6

[inner mesa]

and ...

[vestal olive]

Oh?

[drifting oak]

[torpid berry]

Ya they are just one level higher

[ebon root]

C6 only makes 1 turret at lvl 2 dmg.

[topaz raft]

Nothing says you can have more turrets

[hallow sinew]

What's level

[torpid berry]

How much dmg they do

[hallow sinew]

oh cool

[inner mesa]

yae's turrets have levels

[cold cairn]

If you can Slot Yae into RaiFisch instead of Fischl i really don’t know how any other teams she has will be able to beat that

[hard socket]

[hallow sinew]

hope it's like a 25% dmg increase

[torpid berry]

Yae childe beidou kazuha

[topaz raft]

You can-t

[hallow sinew]

she could be a st beast tbh

[hard socket]

0.25%, take it or leave it.

[inner mesa]

where battery

[torpid berry]

Beidou obviously

[alpine breach]

Where benney

[torpid berry]

[cold cairn]

Highly doubt that’d be able to beat RaiFisch

[inner mesa]

[hard socket]

That’s total going from lvl 1 to 4, btw.

[cold cairn]

Ima call it eternal Sakura

[keen merlin]

how do you even know it's gonna be good without footage and states

[inner mesa]

you won't vape childe burst so it'll be

[inner mesa]

copium that's how

[hard socket]

He’s a beta tester.

GET HIM!

[cold cairn]

this is how

[keen merlin]

[cold cairn]

But in all seriousness is each totem has similar MVs to Fisch

[torpid berry]

Ec dmg all the way

[keen merlin]

inb4 their rotation are scuff and we're back to Raifish

[inner mesa]

[cold cairn]

And you can unleash them all at the same time

[hard socket]

SHEETS! OR GTFO!

[torpid berry]

Watch yae just suck

I would laugh tbh

[polar heron]

yoimiya mvs

[torpid berry]

No mvs

[grand galleon]

Or just be Expensive Fischl

[polar heron]

where it goes nowhere

[cold cairn]

I do doubt mihoyo would make it that easy to use all of Yae’s totems at the same time

[torpid berry]

Pikeli mvs

[torpid berry]

C2 has 20% cd reduction

[polar heron]

standing still just like a rock...

[alpine breach]

Yae is a more complicated electro albedo

[grand galleon]

tbh Yae does...kiiiiiind of look like Expensive Fischl based on what we have so far?

[alpine breach]

If you think about it

[torpid berry]

Basically

[cold cairn]

Kinda?

[torpid berry]

Ya she’s basically 5* fishcl rn

[alpine breach]

Albedo just e then q when you want

[cold cairn]

Depends on how her Skill can be used

[alpine breach]

And cd

[sacred sphinx]

Tbh, no Inazuma 5 stars so far have sucked. Some are better than others, but all have their place in a good team.

[topaz raft]

Isn't Albedo a complicated Fischl?

[torpid berry]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[cold cairn]

I might just use Sac frags tbh

[torpid berry]

Yae users

[grand galleon]

But like, if skill talent% is cracked enough, Expensive Fischl isn't even bad

[sacred sphinx]

Maybe Yoimiya, but she will be better with Yun Jin's release

[alpine breach]

Not really he just e usually

I have him

[cold cairn]

Fischl is already insane lmao

[torpid berry]

So

Better fishcl = more insane

[cold cairn]

A better more expensive fischl is kinda crazy

[torpid berry]

[alpine breach]

Possibly

[torpid berry]

I hope her ult is skill dmg

[polar heron]

fischl yoi was already solid so ya people even think yoi might complete with ht with st

[torpid berry]

That would be fun

[hard socket]

Evil Fischl.

[torpid berry]

I think it is

[alpine breach]

Raiden is a keqing with er buff to the party

[topaz raft]

I just want a pyro XQ

[wise sparrow]

Being expensive Fischl is a lot like being expensive Sucrose

Really fucking good

[polar heron]

with yunjin maybe

[topaz raft]

Fireworks Yae

[alpine breach]

Imagine if raiden is a sword

[polar heron]

right? lmao

remember when people said that for raiden?

[alpine breach]

Kz flashback

[polar heron]

lol

[alpine breach]

Ye

[cold cairn]

Her initial is prob ult damage and then the totem explosion might be E damage

[alpine breach]

Being better is good

[hard socket]

TBH, I don’t want Yae to be better Fischl. That’s how powercreeping starts.

[drifting oak]

also no clue how these things chose a target to attack, probably proximity based
but also if turret can attack different targets or the same target

[alpine breach]

Shes 5*

[hard socket]

Let Fischl have her bird niche.

[fair mural]

im considering either r1 lost prayer or r5 solar pearl... any thought? prob gonna have to wait a little longer before its clear

[polar heron]

and even then she's not like fischl for some characters, fischl still wins in sheer atk speed so...

[cold cairn]

Oh yea Yae also has Crit ascension

[polar heron]

with oz procs

[alpine breach]

We will get free cata as 2.5 weapon

[hard socket]

Yae is unfinished, consider nothing.

[alpine breach]

So better wait

[inner mesa]

probably similar to oz

[grand galleon]

All Yae totems just going fucking ham on a campfire

[fair mural]

ohhh didnt know that, ty ill stay open minded

[torpid berry]

If she’s not on field lost prayer will suck

[fair mural]

hm

[alpine breach]

Lp still good as stat stick

[grand galleon]

5* crit stick is 5* crit stick

[alpine breach]

If her e snapshot will be decent

[hard socket]

Lost prayers suck even when you are on fieldZ

[torpid berry]

Widsth is better if just stack stick

[cold cairn]

Sac Frag copium 🙏🏾

[hard socket]

13-16 seconds to full stacks.

[torpid berry]

Her e won’t snapshot it would ruin her own weapon bruh

[alpine breach]

True but not everyone have high refinement wid

I used to have 0 widsith

[cold cairn]

I have R5 widsith so I might use that on her too

[alpine breach]

Make sense

[sacred sphinx]

I really hope so. I don't have her but I'd love it if she was more prominent in tc

[grand galleon]

Widsith seems... awkward

[torpid berry]

I have 11 widsth so I know what I’m using

[cold cairn]

I am not a whale

[torpid berry]

Same

[grand galleon]

If her rotation is E > Q and you'd want Widsith proc for Q

[cold cairn]

I just got REAL lucky

[torpid berry]

I’ve only gotten widsth

On standard

[alpine breach]

I will use sacrificial fragment for easier e management

For me at least

[torpid berry]

Like ever

[cold cairn]

I’m still guessing Q 3E

[sacred sphinx]

Eh, I'd say Sucrose is much better than Fischl

[polar heron]

My locals won't be gunning for c6 yunjin and I don't own yoi sadly even tho im going c6

she seems really solid

[cold cairn]

Ehhhhhhhh

Depends on the team

[polar heron]

espc with q fix

[cold cairn]

They can’t really be compared

[sacred sphinx]

Kazuha/Sucrose are necessary in a ton of teams

[inner mesa]

the 30s cooldown between buffs is

[torpid berry]

I’m waiting for this

[cold cairn]

Yea

[sacred sphinx]

Fischl is a bit more team specific

[torpid berry]

The real yae

[void thistle]

bro thats someone's OC

[drifting oak]

[void thistle]

[low cargo]

i saw yae leaks and now im on the floor

[drifting oak]

there will always be one, that copes for this no matter what

[sacred sphinx]

I know, which is why I don't think comparing 5* Fischl to 5* Sucrose is a good point

[narrow delta]

combat sim bugging out cant tc taser Kazuha yet

[stone plover]

Let the bodies hit the floor

[narrow delta]

[torpid berry]

I hope that yae has like 40k dps

[wise sparrow]

Fischl's one of the best SubDPS units in the game. She does like double Albedo's damage and batteries. Sucrose is godly but so is Fischl tbh

[torpid berry]

With her turrets

[earnest cedar]

do you still have the art of your pfp

[stone plover]

LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR

[cold cairn]

Someone was comparing yae to Kazoo?

Wth

?

[alpine breach]

Why

[low cargo]

That wont be necessary, she can easily win just by looking at her opponents during her ultimate

[alpine breach]

Is it because same patxh

[torpid berry]

Yae ttds slave time

[alpine breach]

So need to compare value

[cold cairn]

No idea

[low cargo]

I mean, if I had someone look at me like that Id fucking dissapear

[inner mesa]

does she really deal double albedo's dmg

[torpid berry]

Yae is catalyst so immediately ttds slave

[grand galleon]

No. Slightly more single target IIRC

[cold cairn]

Prob about the same I imagine

[wise sparrow]

She did before 2.3. Now it's probably a slight bit closer

[drifting oak]

yea if anything else she'll do good dmg while also buffing

[inner mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/relief-phew-gif-22113399

[stable palm]

catalyst + hp scaling is the nightmare

[void thistle]

i do

[stable palm]

doomed character

[narrow delta]

oh wait syntax changed

[sacred sphinx]

I'm just saying you can't really compare her to Sucrose. Fischl shines in specific teams, while Sucrose shines in pretty much any team that uses reactions

[narrow delta]

just need to rewrite

[torpid berry]

Ttds time!!!

[inner mesa]

anemo do be anemo

[torpid berry]

Fishcl with a4 does a lot more than albedo

[sacred sphinx]

Yes, main reason why Sucrose is so good

[torpid berry]

A4 hits hard

[inner mesa]

sheet

[sacred sphinx]

Was about to ask that

[earnest cedar]

can you link it in DMs then

[torpid berry]

Yae 5* fishcl time

[drifting oak]

Yaefish?

[sacred sphinx]

Is Fischl's A4 single or multitarget?

[cold cairn]

Yae Raiden does seem like it’ll be pretty good

[inner mesa]

single i think

[cold cairn]

And if not then Yae Fisch will work pretty well regardless

[inner mesa]

but i could be wrong so

[sacred sphinx]

Hmm

It doesn't have cooldown right?

[cold cairn]

Eternal Sakura refers to Rai Yae Benny Kaz

I also wanna see Eternal Sakura with Benny Jean tho

[inner mesa]

doesn't mention any

[torpid berry]

Single target

[cold cairn]

Hehe I do wonder if that would be an improvement over XQ in eternal Sun tho

[torpid berry]

Around 0.5 seconds I what we think the cooldown is

And it doesn’t need to be proced by onfield character unlike what it says on the a4

[inner mesa]

kiko essay

[alpine breach]

Flaming sakura

Sakura storm

[cold cairn]

OOOOOOOO

[alpine breach]

Alot of name

[cold cairn]

i like Flaming Sakura

[hard socket]

I thought they changed it so that it did.

Venti swirls off-field don’t trigger it anymore.

[torpid berry]

No it still procs complete off field

[cold cairn]

Praying Yae’s ult has some Sakura’s in it tho

[hard socket]

[inner mesa]

it says active character tho

[torpid berry]

And?

Someone was just testing it like 3 days ago

[inner mesa]

which means the onfield character has to trigger the reaction for a4

[torpid berry]

It procs from off field characters

[inner mesa]

do you have a clip

[torpid berry]

It doesn’t seem to work that way

[inner mesa]

i wanna see

[torpid berry]

I’ll try to look it up

[hard socket]

[sacred sphinx]

Qiqi's Q desc says she heals the character dealing the damage but it actually only heals the character that is on field

[torpid berry]

#・tc-lounge message

Found it

[sacred sphinx]

Descriptions are very inaccurate at times, so I wouldn't always trust them

[torpid berry]

Fishcl a4 was proccing from ec that happened from off field characters

Embed fail

[inner mesa]

interesting

imma test it

[torpid berry]

Venti ult used to break it tho

Would proc like 3 times a second

[void thistle]

crimson naraka

[torpid berry]

Literally like 15k dps

[void thistle]

iykyk

[torpid berry]

You can still use venti ult and raiden

To proc it like a bajillion times

That’s one of the reason raifish is one of her highest dps comps

[vestal olive]

Updated. Let me know if anything is missing from what we know.

Apart from her weapon.

[cold cairn]

OO

I have a pretty good Wanders Helm

[low cargo]

So this is gonna be another character whose damage is gonna be locked behind constellations?

[cold cairn]

Doesn’t seem like it

Like at all

[inner mesa]

what character is like that

[cold cairn]

I think we know what’s coming

[vestal olive]

C2 Raiden, C6 Xiao, C2 Ayaka, C6 Ganyu, and probably some more.

[low cargo]

I dont mean that any character doesnt do damage at C0

[void thistle]

A1 passive

[low cargo]

I mean that massive damage potential is locked behind constellations

[void thistle]

E CD reduction from teammates E and Q

[inner mesa]

all of those characters are good carries at c0

they just gain a sizable dps increase

[void thistle]

"raiden dmg locked behind c2"

[cold cairn]

Besides maybe Xiao and Ganyu of those characters at least 60% or more of their damage is in their base Kit already

[wise sparrow]

Honestly Xiao's c6 is cope as shit anyway

[cold cairn]

The camera angles

[vestal olive]

Thx, I didn't see that in #791659074253094933

[void thistle]

its a bit sussy btw

so exercise precaution

[void thistle]

bc its not there

its in #849489252046602290

but judging by the skill.icon of A1 it might match

[vestal olive]

Ah I see

[wise sparrow]

Not even just the angles. The whole con doesn't even work on certain floors. Imagine paying 1.5k for a con that works when it feels like it

[cold cairn]

What team has the most dps in the game btw

[inner mesa]

yeah you need to hit 2 enemies right ?

[cold cairn]

Honestly? Good god LMAOO

[inner mesa]

that doesn't seem that good

[wise sparrow]

Yep. So anything ST u fucked

[inner mesa]

iirc, yeah

[vestal olive]

In about 10 hours or so, it might be cryo. Otherwise, its Rational I guess?

[grand galleon]

At what level of credit card investment?

[wise sparrow]

Rational isn't even Raiden's best team so no

[cold cairn]

C0

[inner mesa]

raiden hyper, ayaka freeze depending on the situation, tao, international are all pretty up there

and they can get even stronger with cons

[vestal olive]

Raiden, Sara C6, Bennett, Kazuha is it?

[cold cairn]

Makes sense

Wish I had their dps calcs smh

[inner mesa]

iirc, raikh has raiden hyper at like 60k for his investment

[cold cairn]

Yea

[inner mesa]

i've done calcs for childe/xl/suc/ben and got like 57 or 58k iirc

[cold cairn]

My bad I was think Rai Fisch

[inner mesa]

i don't like assuming only 4 star weps

[balmy cosmos]

Checking last KQM info, Raiden Sara c6 Jean Bennett seems to have highest DPS

Sunfire Jean doing work

[cold cairn]

C0 Rai?

[rare escarp]

c6 jean

[balmy cosmos]

C3

[rare escarp]

wait thats sara

[cold cairn]

Hmm

[inner mesa]

what level of investment

[balmy cosmos]

C6 sara

[cold cairn]

Interesting

[balmy cosmos]

Uber

[inner mesa]

like how many subs and what are the weps

[cold cairn]

C6 jean beating out Kazoo? Very interesting

[balmy cosmos]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NmaQUVj3t1kAMuN6dZ6DRVj4OiE83dxDFm7TEl5U4A8/edit#gid=2124898466

[cold cairn]

Sunfire is pretty Op in ST situation tho so I’m not too surprised

[balmy cosmos]

jean is c2