Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

wonder if it would be better to have sub dps built zhong there than bennet. prob not?

lose 9k dps without bennet buff. im like 95% sure Albedo would provide more dmg than that tho but you'd have no healer or crystalize

[tardy thunder]

going from bennet buff to zhong shred lower team dmg so far by 7k so zhong need to do more than that

which id assume he does if he's getting E to hit plus a fat Q

[compact girder]

Not factoring NA stacks in right

[tardy thunder]

ya thats on Nings dmg

if we used zhong instead of bennet how much u think a gorou buffed zhong Q and pillars would do

[hidden eagle]

you guys think leveling yunjin from 80 to 90 is worth doing? i'm using her in hu tao/xq/zl team

[wanton beacon]

she scales off of def, so getting her to 90 is worth

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

yes

want as much defense as you can get

[hidden eagle]

okay cool i will

do i want to risk losing guarantee to c1 shenhe to get c3 on yunjin though

[wanton beacon]

you could always wait for lantern rite

it's what i'm doing

[hidden eagle]

lantern rite is what's getting me c2 lol

[wanton beacon]

and 4 stars usually don't take long to come back

[wanton beacon]

the only exceptions are like fischl and sara

[hidden eagle]

true but only problem for me is if she comes back on a 5* banner i don't want i won't try pulling at all

[wanton beacon]

true

[hidden eagle]

like say she came back on itto's rerun, i wouldn't try

and actually kokomi is the only rerun i have even a little interest in, so unless yunjin comes back on a banner for a new character that i happen to want, chances are that i'd skip

[compact girder]

Whats ning’s dpr here?

[hidden eagle]

c1 shenhe wouldn't be a total disaster either i guess...maybe...

[tardy thunder]

421k if i did everything right

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z1KsThUyHSWAP7kQgszGFiMJl7ycy8nwfikcfHkVMMI/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy thunder]

Gorou Q/E>Zhongli E>Mona EQ>Zhongli Q>YunJin hold EQ should be able to fit in a 15s rotation right

wanna calc that yunjin haha funny E nuke team idea fromt he video

am bored and it look funny

[tardy thunder]

@wanton beacon from what I can see, with a rotation of Childe EN1C>Kazuha EQ>Xinqiu QEN1(2nd Q if sac)>YunJin NEQ>Childe EQ 6N3D, we get Petra buff on all of Xinqiu damage, and 5 out of 6 of Childe N3D

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

I could b pepega counting tho

But if this is correct that is excite

Wait that rotation is missing a Kazuha E after YunJin to reset VV

I’ll assume 4 N3D get Petra

[tardy thunder]

@wanton beacon hmm I made a sheet of my own for childe Yunjin team I don’t seem to be getting as high childe dmg as you I got 442k

Maybe cuz I don’t have freedom on Kazuha in my calcs?

[tardy thunder]

oh i think i see why

your sheet says 64ND i did N3D

i try N4D

[tardy thunder]

Ok i have 564k on him now

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PIyFA-hX2ydheKoIo58ppANNLXTGB2DpFEvdUvWGra4/edit?usp=sharing

heres what i got

lowered it to 5 N4D cuz i couldnt seem to get 6

could be skill issue on my end tho cuz i am not skilled with childe

[merry crater]

Do you have a clip of it? 👀

That comp looks interesting, haven't seen Yun Jin with petra before either

[tardy thunder]

Not with altered rotation for Petra, no

[merry crater]

Ahh okay

[compact girder]

Noir C6 Yun jin is 12% aspd right

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[compact girder]

Hmmm so shenjin will have 20% atk speed then

[tardy thunder]

yup

[sour karma]

Yunjin Yoimiya Fischl Zhongli good?

Or Yunjin Yoimiya Fischl Bennett better?

[night cliff]

I would go yunjin yoi xq zhongli or yunjin yoi zhongli bennet for ease of use

Dont know about team dps and such

[compact karma]

Does physical zhong want crescent pike with yunjin?

or would he prefer higher raw stat weps? I have pjws

[night cliff]

pikeli for phys

iirc it is better than at least r3 homa for example

for zhongli

[wanton beacon]

I think the rotation might be a bit long

[tardy thunder]

Don’t think it makes much sense to use fischl on a yoi Yunjin team

[tardy thunder]

[wanton beacon]

I'll test it a bit later but I don't see why the rot would be 24s. Unless childe is in melee stance for 9s but I don't think it's necessary

I'll test it when i get the time and see how many N4D I can get

[tardy thunder]

Oh you think I have the rotation longer than it should be?

[tardy thunder]

How long do you think it is?

[wanton beacon]

I think childe would have like 11s of CD

so an entire rotation could potentially be as short as 18s if we can cycle through supports

[tardy thunder]

It can’t be any shorter than 21s due to Xinqiu cooldown

[wanton beacon]

that still saves us 3s

so you can probably stay in melee a bit longer

I'll test it later with XQ and childe

[tardy thunder]

Ok

[sour karma]

Doesn't oz on c6 work well with fast attacking characters?

[tardy thunder]

He does but if you’re using YunJin imo it’s better to try and maximize Yois own personal damage as much possible

That team will work just fine tho

[sour karma]

Hmmm

[wanton beacon]

yunjin is just that good

[sour karma]

How about xq then?

Sub dps and also allows for vape

[wanton beacon]

and give dmg reduction so your shields are stronger

and micro heals

would probably be a good option

[sour karma]

Hmmm alright

I'll try these 2 out

[tardy thunder]

That work yeah

@wanton beacon with 5N4D childe I’m getting 14s E CD

[sour karma]

Hmmm

What's the best yoi yunjin comp atm?

Highest dpr

[tardy thunder]

Yoi bennet kazuha Yunjin

From my calcs

[sour karma]

Hmmm

[tardy thunder]

Take it with a grain of salt cuz I don’t have Yoi to test it myself

[sour karma]

Higher than xiangling comp?

Ah kk

Like pp comp*

Not xl

[tardy thunder]

Yoi team with XL in it?

[sour karma]

No pp

[tardy thunder]

Like Klee?

[sour karma]

Like yunjin takes xl's place in that comp right?

In pp yoi

[tardy thunder]

I am not aware of Yoi teams that use Xiangling

I think Edison has that on his sheet tho

[sour karma]

Pp xiangling exists

[tardy thunder]

Let me see

[sour karma]

I mean yoo

[tardy thunder]

Yeah but I didn’t know people use her and yoi on same team

[sour karma]

Yoi*

Damn my brain

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YXaZ9oWTgNp5LX735Qw9EfJKhdwtj8fGLyc1fDGo-pk/edit Edison has a variant of it on his sheet

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

is that good?

[wanton beacon]

maybe, i'm not sure

[tardy thunder]

Actually @wanton beacon looking at my sheet, Childes ranged Q is doing less damage than a N4D, so I wonder if we use his Q to start the rotation in place of his EN1C to apply the initial hydro, if we could get an extra N4D or even N3D, and drip rotation time a bit due to no longer having to do EN1C at the start

Also I find it funny how this is one of the few childe teams that would actually like to have him c4 kek

[wanton beacon]

oh, the EN1C is mostly for polar

If I put it there it's due too habit

[tardy thunder]

Oh

[wanton beacon]

if we're using harp or pulse you don't have to do it

[tardy thunder]

what should we do instead with Pulse/Harp?

[wanton beacon]

any hydro app, so rQ to start the rotation should work

[tardy thunder]

Pog on

I have rQdoing 49k while N4D does 71k

So if we can get an extra N4D by changing that around that’ll be pog

But that might extend his stance field time and increase cooldown

Got a lot to play around with it hmm

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

I think his c1 would really help lol

[wanton beacon]

childe c1 is finally useful

[tardy thunder]

I wish there was a less annoying test dummy than the primo geovaship his body blocks the crystals

@wanton beacon I think I got it down to a 22s rotation

Changed it to: Childe rQ>Kazuha Q>YunJin tap E grab crystal>Xinqiu QNEEN>YunJin QN>Kazuha E>Childe E5N4D

ER requirements are probably a tad bit higher now tho

[tardy thunder]

Prob could get a second YunJin E if c1 also

Time to be a potato and do a 10 pull on Xiao banner praying for c1 YunJin

[tardy thunder]

Would prob be 23s if you do tho

[wanton beacon]

if you get xiao you can test NA xiao

[tardy thunder]

We might be able to get it down to 21sif we cut out some of the NAs on our supports for Xinqiu procs

But idk if that would be worth losing the XQ procs

His damage here is unholy

[wanton beacon]

I think we can leave it at 22s tbh

[tardy thunder]

yeah

im excited

this team is really fun

i might finally start using my childe

this is what I'm getting for ER reqs in my adjusted rotation

nothing unreasonable

[wanton beacon]

looks pog

[tardy thunder]

YunJin just need 3 ER subs and Kazuha need 4-5

not an issue since those two dont need high crit dmg anyway

imm adjust my sheet now

also, i keep getting hydro geovaship and this team is still destroying it in less than 2 full rotations and my childe is not built

it feels disgusting

childe attacks so damn fast

i adjusted the rotation around to the lower rotation time the dps didnt improve

stayed around 40k

[wanton beacon]

oh ok

40k is fine anyways

[tardy thunder]

yeah

i was thinking we could cut it down further if not using sacrifical on xinqiu and gave him a chad weapon like jade cutter

but then childe would need 147 ER

[wanton beacon]

really ?

rQ gives back 20 energy

[tardy thunder]

yeah thats what the calc says

[wanton beacon]

so he essentially has a 40 cost burst

[tardy thunder]

how does he generate energy?

the ER calc is saying he only creates 1 particle per burst

[wanton beacon]

riptide produces energy

[tardy thunder]

hmmge so only 1 particle from childe is kinda sus right

[wanton beacon]

yeah

that's odd

1 riptide proc produces 1 particle and it has a 3s icd afaik

but usually the riptide particles + enemy particles is enough

I run him on like 111 ER

[tardy thunder]

this is what it says

i think it might only be counting 1 riptide and i have to change his skill uses per burst to 6 to count 6 riptide

ok i got answer im supposed to put the amount of particls as the amount of skill uses for him

[timid portal]

i wanna run childejin too

no yunjin

[tardy thunder]

ok i got it fixed

[wanton beacon]

same

[tardy thunder]

this is what ER reqs should be if xinqiu uses a non-sac/fav weapon

[wanton beacon]

that seems fair

[tardy thunder]

121 ER for childe isnt terrible

[wanton beacon]

I suppose we'll just have to test in game and adjust according to that

[tardy thunder]

would have to calc how much of a dps gain using a weapon like jade on xinqiu is here

[tardy thunder]

this should work right @wanton beacon

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

oh wait i left out kazuha Q in the second rotation

change first E to EQ

there we go

[compact girder]

Oh noir i changed the shenjin rotation

Xq eqn1 > shenhe eq n1 > yunjin eqn1 >> chong qe > shenhe normals

Only got 21 procs with N5s but N4Ds should net me 25 attacks

[tacit zodiac]

shenhe hold E? to give 15% damage bonus

[compact girder]

CD is a bit long though

Hmmm

My chongyun isnt C2

[tacit zodiac]

might be worth to calculate maybe

but yeah CD issue

[compact girder]

And the cast time is longer, i cant N4E cancel

Shenhe also refills quills faster here

[tardy thunder]

oh another thing @wanton beacon i wonder how a c2 jean would compare to kazuha here; hydro swirls wouldnt hurt her dmg much since she builds ADC anyways, plus she would add more comfort through healing, while exchanging kazuhas dmg bonus with more atk speed

i assume she'd be a bit worse in terms of team dps but close enough

my jeans c1 so i cant try it tho

[wanton beacon]

I don't even have jean so ...

[tardy thunder]

painge

[wanton beacon]

the idea sounds cool tho

[radiant wagon]

what would jean run? fs?

[tardy thunder]

probably whatever weapon your kazuha had

in my case favonious

[tacit zodiac]

I have Jean C2, Childe, Yunjin C2, and who else

[wanton beacon]

xq

[tacit zodiac]

XQ QNEEN means you add one attack before and after the double skills?

[tardy thunder]

correct

one after casting Q

one after 2nd E

[tacit zodiac]

alright time to kill some vishap with noir's rotation

I;m farming it anyway for Xiao

I was "spooked" by Xiao and Childe but their artifacts are the best 190 CV

[wanton beacon]

[tacit zodiac]

skill issue
got hit by primovishap when I use jean's skill

[wanton beacon]

the HoD domain refuses to give me better childe artifacts for 4HoD

it's annoying

[tardy thunder]

yeah primo geovaship is super painful to test this team against

guess ill go back to old faithful masanori

the lack of c1 yunjin really shows here

[icy steppe]

how much def and er should you aim for on yunjin

[tardy thunder]

depends on the team, outside of geo teams you'll typicalyl want anywhere from 170-210 ER on YunJin

and you want as much defense as possible

the more defense the better

[tacit zodiac]

my def sands and circlet is cracked

[compact karma]

on field yunjin?

[tacit zodiac]

nah, still only pure buffer yunjin
but with def/def/def she gets 42/95 crits
her artifacts have 120 cv without crit circlets

[compact karma]

that's rly cracked if u still have enough ER after all that

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/teZL486PgJA pretty sloppy attempt but best I could get for now vs geovaship

[tacit zodiac]

def/def/def
42.3/95.1 crits
213% ER

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu is using a level 60 sac sword is why is his dmg is so low

[wanton beacon]

man he cucked you from getting the crystallize

[compact karma]

i think i have something similar rn but cut like 30 crit for 30 ER

cuz i have skill issue and still struggle with energy even with 240 Favonious

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[tardy thunder]

@merry kite in team idea of childe yunjin Xinqiu Thoma what you think rotation would be?

[merry kite]

much easier tbh

[tardy thunder]

I can’t figure it out I suck

[merry kite]

petra yunjin I'm guessing

that's the only trouble

[tardy thunder]

Yeah Petra on YJ

[merry kite]

need to do math on how worth it is to vape childe burst

[tardy thunder]

Hydro should almost always be the aura tho right

With both Xinqiu and Childe

[merry kite]

for the most part yeah

[tardy thunder]

So I dont think should ve issue to use Petra

[merry kite]

if you want it to last the full childe rotation tho

you'd really want yunjin to pick it up right after burst and going to childe

what is the application from yunjin eq?

can she clear hydro?

[tardy thunder]

Depends on the charge

Her hold E is 4U

[merry kite]

wow ok

[tardy thunder]

It completely wipe out aura if you do hold

[merry kite]

yeah easy rotation actually

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

wait

hm

thoma burst will never apply pyro over XQ Q

so vaping burst might not be possible in this team

maybe that's OK?

you'd cut into too much yunjin burst to thoma e before childe rotation or no you think

[tardy thunder]

I’m thinking something like Childe E>YunJin E>Thoma EQ>Childe rQ>Xinqiu QNEEN>YunJin ENQ>Childe E 5N4D

That should work right?

[merry kite]

O

I'm just stupid yes that works fine

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

I wanted for some reason to do it with childe only on field once

but there's no reason to do that

Kazuha really makes the rotation a lot tougher huh

[tardy thunder]

Just won’t have Xinqiu shred your vaped burst but oh well

[merry kite]

why n4d on childe

I think n3d is faster

[tardy thunder]

thats what i got higher dmg with in my sheet

[merry kite]

oh sick

the thoma team may improve

[tardy thunder]

can do n3d if you think its better tho

or try both

6n3d vs 5N4D

is the situation i think

lemme change my sheet back to 6n3d and see what i get actually need

i forget what the difference was

oh yeah n4d is more hits than 6n3d

so it makes sense that that was higher

20 vs 18

[merry kite]

Also without kazuha you don't have the sprinting stamina cost reduction

so sprinting less = more important

[tardy thunder]

kazuha has stamina reduction?

i didnt even know that kek

[merry kite]

I was using Kaeya to mimic it

[tardy thunder]

Ok with 6N3D I get 454k

With 5 N4D I get 499k

Low key but high key wonder if it would be worth going to his N6 since that’s a multi hit

[merry kite]

I was thinking about it but I don't know how quick you can cancel out

[tardy thunder]

Prob need Thoma in the team for that for shield so you can do an attack chain that long without dodging tho

[tardy thunder]

True gotta test that

Are you gonna record the Childe Xinqiu Thoma YJ rotation?

[merry kite]

I'm just spending resin rn I'm working until 7 tonight

I can record 1 rotation

[tardy thunder]

No rush

[merry kite]

I don't have a good eosf set for thoma tho

so I can't do second rotation lol

I'm trying n6d and it feels like you can actually cancel out of it quickly

so that's 7 hits in around 3 seconds

might be worth it tbh

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

also my yunjin is not c6

but I'll do record it tonight

[tardy thunder]

I was able to get 4N6 under YJ but his E cd was like 19 seconds

Kek his c1 would be very helpful

[merry kite]

oh my childe is also c1 so the CD won't be as accurate

lol

[tardy thunder]

We can guesstimate around it probably

[merry kite]

I was thinking it might be worth calcing the team separately with C1

[tardy thunder]

It definitely is

[merry kite]

because I could probably finish off YJ buff and still have around the same rotation time

[tardy thunder]

His c1 is definitely impactful here

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

I really need to start farming for a def petra set

you're not allowed to laugh at how weak my yunjin is lol

[tardy thunder]

I would never

Also yeah I just tried using all 30 stacks can definitely do 4N6 1 N2 under YJ buff and use all 30, but the cooldown like 21s kek

[merry kite]

so childe e cooldown is not affected by hitlag?

for some reason I thought it was

[tardy thunder]

I don’t know anything about that

[merry kite]

21s should mean you were in form for a full 12

no sorry, 15s

[tardy thunder]

Lemme count field time

Yeah it was about 15s

Huh

How’d I have YJ buff for that long

Hitlag extension?

[merry kite]

that's a lot of extension isn't it

with the xiao test I was getting 1s flat but that did incldue 2Es and the Q animatino

yunjin Q lasted 13s in the xiao test that is

[tardy thunder]

Ok the N2 at the end didn’t actually have the buff

Lemme watch more carefully

[merry kite]

there are legit so many numbers in blue it's hard to tell lol

[tardy thunder]

I’m just looking at the flags

I’ll upload the footage so you can see too

But it definitely looks like she lasts 14s here

[merry kite]

that seems reasonable

I had around 3s of animations and N6D is a lot of hits to lag

[tardy thunder]

Makes sense

wait that makes me wonder if doing a longer attack chain on Xiao than N3D would get him more Yunjin hitlag extension

https://youtu.be/mbEdP0k8C7U

[merry kite]

Yeah the n6 actually looks better

[tardy thunder]

Prob gonna do 3N6?

21 YJ stacks

[merry kite]

Yeah thats the same rotation time we were working with before

But 3 more hits for me

[tardy thunder]

Oh yeah it’s 3 more hits for you cuz you were still on N3

It’s 1 more for me since I was on N4

[merry kite]

I'll Calc and test tonight

[tardy thunder]

Which is still better

Thanks

[merry kite]

I'm shirking my work responsibilities and testing it

I have C2 Jean so I'm using that to simulate C6 Yunjin

I need to nerf my childe to get through a rotation lol

@tardy thunder just confirming the 3N6D works

C0 that puts the CD at just below 16s

also I had a lot of time left on her burst I think

C1 looks really big actually, I was able to get 8 N3Ds in with time to spare and CD is below 15 so rotation can be repeated

also I know it's whale territory, but is c4 the only unit who can proc yunjin off field?

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[wanton beacon]

i think so

no one else does off field NA dmg

afaik

[merry kite]

C1 gets in 4 N6Ds no problem

ngl I want to change the calc to c1

this is too much better

Easy 4N6D, 28 stacks

[tardy thunder]

I say make a copy of the sheet and adjust it to c1

See how much of an increase it is

[merry kite]

I messed up the numbers

4N6D

You can do 10N3D though

with C1

but that's 10 dashes so stamina becomes a big concern

my first rotation (HoOD Yunjin, Kazuha) actually works with 9N3D even at C0

but it's a 27s rotation so that tracks

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

So 4N6D and 93D both work?

[merry kite]

for C1 definitely, C0 I think only 9N3D

lemme check CD on 4N6D

[tardy thunder]

Oh wait 93D works even if c0?

[merry kite]

nah nah it's a solid 15s CD

yeah hold on lemme send

CD here at the end is 13.6 which translates to 17s at C0

but look at my stamina, idk I'll be shielded but you can't chase after anyone or even really move with the rest of your rotation to get that back lol

[tardy thunder]

Hmm

Do you think going up to N4D would help save stamina?

If 93D is possible I’d expect 8N4D to work

Dunno if work at c0 tho

[merry kite]

I'll try it

C1 CD / .8 = C0 CD btw

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

not too bad

[tardy thunder]

Another thing that might be worth looking into to lower CDtimes is maybe doing a single ranged CA instead of one of the NA chains, to get YJ stacks out of melee stance so no cooldown for that

Tho the CA might be too slow for it to be worth idk

[merry kite]

it's about 90 frames

[tardy thunder]

Plus not triggering Xinqiu or Thoma in CA

[merry kite]

honestly it might be possible to close out the childe phase with that

if you see even with the 9N3D I had yunjin buff for another second and a hafl

[tardy thunder]

90 frames is 1.5s right?

[merry kite]

yeah

I'm testing 8N4D now

[tardy thunder]

Oh actually yeah maybe we could finish his field time be exiting melee stance and doing CA

Xinqiu and Thoma should be just about expiring by then right? So wouldn’t need to worry about it not proccing them

Tho…that would mean you’re not shielded for that CA would t it?

[merry kite]

thoma is 18s, XQ is 15

[tardy thunder]

I’m confusing myself lol

[merry kite]

thoma shield doesn't disappear after his burst

it sticks around

until 6 seconds after the last refresh I think

[tardy thunder]

Actually they are both 18

[merry kite]

8s

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu c2 extend him to 18

[merry kite]

o

OK yeah

[tardy thunder]

Oh so we have literal 100% shield uptime

Nice

[merry kite]

well my rotation doesn't idk about yours

the downtime phase is not shielded

yunjin shields herself tho and kazuha is in the air

so he should be fine lol

[tardy thunder]

Ah

Yeah should be fine

[merry kite]

Thoma E has a stupid cooldown

[tardy thunder]

As long as the Childe CA is shielded

[merry kite]

even with C1 it's 12 seconds

and his C1 procs every 20 seconds which doesn't align with either of his cooldowns or the rotation

so I chose not to rely on it

[tardy thunder]

Makes sense

[merry kite]

was able to get 7 and a half N4Ds in

yunjin buff expired mid 8th one

oh wait

no it didn't, that's 30 hits

I thought I screwed up the rotation

So it's 7N4D -> 1 N2 and then I'll check the cooldown

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

I

killed it

fml

I'll give childe a level 1 bow ig lol

[tardy thunder]

Kek

If we want to get exactly 30 we could probably do: 1N6D 5N4D 1N3D

Would have to see if this makes a longer rotation compared to what we could do if we say went with the 3N6 or 5N4D only instead

See which one gets more dps

[merry kite]

7N4D -> 1 N2 leaves with just below 15s CD at C1

stamina much better than the 9/10N3D

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

So C1 at least can get all 30 procs without extending rotation

and without causing too many stamina problems

pretty sick I think

at C0 that's just around a 19s CD

[tardy thunder]

Might be rough for c0 the right

[merry kite]

which to be honest is not much of a rotation extension, you can probably skip the last N2?

so 28 prpcs

[tardy thunder]

Yeah could just skip it honestly

28 is still a lot

Or enter ranged stance and do a CA to use the remaining 2 stacks

Having 2 stacks unused isn’t a big deal tho

[tardy thunder]

Actually if doing that it would prob be: 6N4D 1N3 1ranged CA right

For exactly 30

[merry kite]

My rotation already has ~18 seconds between childe skill phases

let me see how much that can tighten the rotation

[tardy thunder]

is that the Kazuha version?

[merry kite]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[merry kite]

I'm on the clock rn lol

I didn't mean to get this deep into tc

[tardy thunder]

Welcome aboard

Kek

Get your money

TC later

I can test some stuff myself while you’re working I’ve got 1.5 hours till my shift starts

[merry kite]

I'm concerned about thoma tbh

his ER reqs are already really high

shortening the rotation could cause problems

probably better off with him just running fav

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

but XQ has noblesse here I'm guessing

[tardy thunder]

Can’t he just EOSF and catch?

[merry kite]

rn he's on homa I wanted to see if he could provide some decent subdps

it isn't awful tbh

catch might not be much worse now that I think about it though

[tardy thunder]

I don’t think catch would be too far offfro@Homa tbh

[merry kite]

and makes the team a lot more F2p

[tardy thunder]

Off from Homa*

I can’t type for shit

[merry kite]

Is XQ noblesse or eosf here

cuz thoma can probably run noblesse with the catch he won't need as much ER

Catch is 35.3k team DPS vs the 36.5 with homa

not bad

[tardy thunder]

Not bad at all

[tardy thunder]

I had him on 2 NO 2 HOD 4 EOSF prob would’ve been better

Figured 2 HoD might be worth if he’s doing 2 C4 buffed Es

Haven’t tried anything else on him yet tho

[merry kite]

I was wondering that

[tardy thunder]

4 NO would definitely work

[merry kite]

but thoma should probably take noblesse cuz XQ doesn't snapshot

and thoma loses a lot of damage without VV + kaz A4

if we're trying that team

[tardy thunder]

Makes sense

https://youtu.be/0mCP98M2WAg here’s 5N4D 1N3D 1 CA

C0

[merry kite]

16.8s cd

Really not bad

26 procs?

[tardy thunder]

Was all 30

I think

Wait no it was 26 kek you’re right

Need 1 more N4 in there to make it 30

Which I don’t think can do

[merry kite]

The charged shot is funky since there's no hitlag for yunjin extension

[tardy thunder]

True

[merry kite]

It times out at the end there I think

[tardy thunder]

Might just not be worth using it

[merry kite]

I think 7N4D isn't too bad

The stamina drain wasn't unmanageable

[tardy thunder]

Yeah seems excellent

[merry kite]

I'm curious about another team I don't want to tc yet just want to mention

But yunjin childe kaeya rosaria

[tardy thunder]

I think Sir Von already did freeze calcs

[merry kite]

With blizzard strayer and all childe will have like 100% crit

[tardy thunder]

Dunno if that was the team tho

Lemme check

Yeah he did that team but Kazuha not Kaeya

Could be a gain to use Kaeya

[merry kite]

Either works I was going for cryo resonance

C6 kaeya damage is also good

Mine isn't c6 but still

[tardy thunder]

He calced Kazuha childe Rosaria Yunjin

No cryo resonance

[merry kite]

I think rosaria gets 12% cr buff per kqm standards

So all told its 67% cr for childe

[tardy thunder]

Yeah, 14% if using DM

12% otherwise

[merry kite]

EM becomes worthless but tpulse is already Cdamage

[tardy thunder]

Hmm you said you have 18s field time already filling Childes downtime in the Kazuha version right? I think with Xinqiu instead of Kazuha we won’t need that much

If the downtime is: YunJin E(grab crystal)>Thoma EQN>Childe rQ>Xinqiu QNEEN>YunJin ENQ(grab crystal), I think we should be able to make that take only like 13.5s

Unless I’m envisioning field time requirements wrong which I probably am

[tardy thunder]

3N6D 1RCA also seems about same as this, 2 less stacks tho

[merry kite]

It's 18s but that includes childe ranged burst

[tardy thunder]

@merry kite I just realized childe Kazuha Thoma Yunjin is technically an international team lol everyone is from a different region

Since Thoma is actually from Mondstat

[timid portal]

[tame tree]

[tardy thunder]

Why bored

You don’t see all the exciting YJ TC?

[tame tree]

if I had Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Wen lantern rite

[merry kite]

noir work was stupid

couldn't tc

[merry kite]

the field time here looks around 13 yeah

question is if you can spend enough yunjin stacks during childe window before you get above 13s CD

to get a 13 second cd you need to spend only 7.5seconds in E form I think though so probably not possible

in aoe though it's definitely something to consider you'll be using stacks a lot faster

that's actually why there's 18s of downtime in the kazuha rotation, spending all of the yunjin stacks and then some mild batterying for the other units

[tardy thunder]

Hmm fair point

[merry kite]

my rotation literally has thoma come in just to normal string for a bit, no reason but to kill time

[compact girder]

I think shenjin has no downtime

Ill have to see

[timid portal]

noirrrr

is yunjin good for razor or have u not gotten to that yet?

[tardy thunder]

Haven’t calced it yet

I can’t figure out how to get more than 13 stacks tho

[acoustic abyss]

Glad to see Yunjin-Childe TC, its what I’ve been playing with a bit. I only have C1 Xingqiu so I’ve been doing Bennet, but it makes the rotation a little clunky

You have to choose between uptime on yunjin, bennet, or VV shred

Xingqiu seems like a much smoother rotation

[wanton beacon]

you can usually use bennet's buff just for the burst since yunjin devalues his buff a fair bit

so yunjin and VV are the most important buff

[acoustic abyss]

The problem is that you always have to do VV before yunjin because she removes the element

And yunjin takes a bit of field time if you want her particles, so its less VV uptime

If you do yunjin then VV both buffs end at about the same time

Whereas VV then yunjin VV runs out soon

I think I’ll try xingqiu even at c1

I value the high VV uptime especially with yunjin

But maybe vaping childes burst is better even with less bennet buff uptime

[wanton beacon]

we calced it to be less

[acoustic abyss]

For c2+ xingqiu though right?

[wanton beacon]

yep

[acoustic abyss]

do you think it still outweighs bennet with c1 xingqiu? how large is the margin between the xingqiu and the bennet versoin

[wanton beacon]

idk if it does sorry

[acoustic abyss]

no worries :)

i dont know how to calc teams but i'll run some scuffed testing against the one samurai dude with both and see what performs better

and obviously its not perfect since bennet will favor AoE more than xingqiu

[tardy thunder]

You don’t really want to keep him out longer than 9-10s anyway

[acoustic abyss]

yeah i'm saying that yunjin into VV lines up better with the damage window you want for childe

if you do VV first it runs out before yunjin's buff, and you may not even want to stay on childe for that time

[tardy thunder]

Yup

Important to swap for that VV before going to childe

[acoustic abyss]

but thats not easy to do without xingqiu

which is why i'm leaning towards xingqiu > bennet even though i dont have c2

[tardy thunder]

makes sense

bennet really dont do much here

[winter steeple]

Need any testing ?

I have all the units for Childe yj

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Can you test the Childe Xinqiu Thoma Yunjin team?

[compact girder]

Whats the golden opera rotation again

[tardy thunder]

Which one

[merry kite]

I C6d yunjin

(and got c2 shenhe along the way p nice)

I didn't record it but I made sure the difference between 15% atk speed and 12% atk speed wasn't that big

and it wasn't

I can still 9N3D on childe

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

Thoma EQ> Childe QE n1> Yunjin EQ> xq EQ> Childe E spam?

Hard to vape rQ with xq Q around

[tardy thunder]

Iirc it was: Childe E>YunJin E>Thoma EQN>Childe rQ>Xinqiu QNE/QNEEN>YunJin ENQ>Childe E and do whichever of the combos we decide is ideal

[winter steeple]

Childe CS should be used first

[tardy thunder]

CS?

[winter steeple]

wait nvm

Charged shot

[tardy thunder]

Y

[winter steeple]

pressing E back to back usually doesn’t work due to CD ,made the mistake of assuming so

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

Only thing I find sussy is xq Q potentially screwing over rQ vape

On 2nd rotation

Time to test

It loops quite well

around 3n6s

so around 10s in childe E

26s rotation locked cos of 10s in E

[tardy thunder]

But we use it before Xinqiu

[winter steeple]

so 8s is better

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

Got footage?

[winter steeple]

currently stacking ER

cant loop cos no energy

but cd all align

[tardy thunder]

And it has literal 0 circle reliance

[winter steeple]

looks like 22s rotation exactly

2n6 1n3

lemme record proper footage now

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

ill decide the optimal combos later

[tardy thunder]

So glad to have you on board for Snezhnayan Opera

Or we could even call it Internaitonal or Mr. Worldwide cuz it’s still a 4 regions Childe team

[winter steeple]

name has got a nice ring to it

[tardy thunder]

I like naming teams

[winter steeple]

based

still not enough ER

favonius be liddat without cr

fk

xq sacrificial havent procced like 2 times in a row

then 1 run it did thoma didnt proc fav

@tardy thunder 1 problem, sacrificial cd is off

if switched to fav it will line up

https://streamable.com/qmgvta

like 1s desync tho

not too bad

rQ vapes lines up every rotation

now to find the optimal combo

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I had the same problem mines r2

[winter steeple]

Same refinement as mine

No wonder

[tardy thunder]

amogus sword

[winter steeple]

Optimal combo wise

In aoe I think it’s 4 n2C

St idk

[tardy thunder]

CA

[winter steeple]

Ya have to experiment

[tardy thunder]

Won’t CA lower the amount of NAs?

[winter steeple]

Wait nvm n2C is 8 normal hits per target only

Definitely needs calcs to determine the best combo

Mv /s comparison doesn’t work too well with Yunjin

[winter steeple]

Only 6n3Ds are possible

Maybe extra n1/2

I think n3Ds are the way to go

18-20 Yunjin procs

2n6 n3 is only 17 procs

Yunjin procs scale better than Childe also

When sheet

[merry kite]

@tardy thunder what's the rotation we're going with now.

I realized a potential problem in childe burst before xq

If we're running tpulse we don't want childe capped on energy

Double xq e probably caps him

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I don’t think there’s a way around that

[tardy thunder]

3 N6 is possible

Or should be

[merry kite]

Is your YJ C6?@winter steeple

The atk speed does make a difference

[merry kite]

It goes from a 40% normal attack damage increase to a 24% one

Polar star might be better at that point

[wheat valley]

What about Harp

[tardy thunder]

Pulse is higher CV than harp still

[tardy thunder]

Kinda doubt since polar star doesn’t give damage bonus at all

Both worth calcing tho

We could try using SR Childe for Pulse

[tardy thunder]

Actually this could be the solution @merry kite

[wheat valley]

Maybe start with Xingqiu instead of Childe

[tardy thunder]

Then you won’t vape his burst

[wheat valley]

Oh wait

We're still vaping it?

I thought this was Kazuha sorry

[tardy thunder]

In the Childe Thoma Xinqiu Yunjin team yes

[tardy thunder]

Do you have accurate Petra uptime assumptions from your testing?

[tardy thunder]

And Xinqiu and Thoma proc counts?

[merry kite]

That would be really fun y

Using SR just to drain energy

[tardy thunder]

Have to run it through calculator

It could also possibly be worth just not using sac on xiqniu but that’s gonna increase entire teams energy needs

[wheat valley]

[merry kite]

Give him a jade cutter lol

[winter steeple]

1. pretty much 100% petra up time except 1 of xq's Q swords miss it
2. 11-13 thoma procs
3. 12-14 waves of xq swords
4. My yj is c0

if there is anything else ping me

[tardy thunder]

How many Thoma vapes?

I’d assume just a third of his damage?

I’ll calc it once I know that

[winter steeple]

Press E and 4 Q ticks were vaped

[tardy thunder]

Thnx

I calc it later today

[merry kite]

noir help me name the team we can't call both of them snezhnayan opera

since XQ is such a bookworm it should be named after a famous Russian opera

The Iolanta is an option

[tardy thunder]

they are both variants of the same team it’s still Russian opera

Snezhnayan Opera*

[merry kite]

Childe needs 0 ER with XQ btw

which is kind of pog

SR doesn't buff his burst but I think it's probably worth it just to make sure he gets the tpulse buff for the majority of his rotation

for now I'm just assuming he isn't capped on energy

[merry kite]

@tardy thunder

I need help with the rotation

rn it's 9N3D and that is around 9 seconds with yunjin atk speed

the rotation you have I only have taking 12.5 seconds between childe windows tho

think I'm just going to add some yunjin autos to guarantee fav procs

[merry kite]

Might just be tighter rotation, might be actually a better team. Pure single target I have it at just above38k

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c0UB1WbPlUIPTbjynxozF4fQBOpRjr4gTzKE7iMlMQA/edit?usp=sharing

Also only 1 5 star unit and only 1 5 star weapon so much more budget

rn it's with HoD but SR Childe damage will be slightly better. I counted 14 XQ waves (2 3 5) which should proc and 15 Thoma bursts

You can change the # of riptide targets if you want to see how it scales in primary target damage

also it should be possible to get a 15th XQ wave out which is the big 5 one for more dmg

in fact subsequent rotations can rely on XQ Q to give the hydro for yunjin to crystallize instead of childe charge shotting

lmk if timing is too tight or not possible, only thing I'm worried about is the stamina from 9N3D

I know I've typed an essay by now but - XQ and Thoma damage can definitely be optimized.

XQ honestly doesn't seem to need EOSF but I'm just using it for the burst dmg% anyway. Want to explore giving him a different weapon or switching to ATK sands etc.

Noblesse on Thoma seems like the right play, the dmg increase for Childe and XQ combined is ~2.5K DPS. The catch really helps with his ER needs while still being pretty good damage. Shield strength isn't very good here but we have XQ rainswords and we're dashing frequently enough that it shouldn't cause too many problems.

[merry kite]

I changed xq to atk sands and it's over 40k dps

[wanton beacon]

[winter steeple]

I wonder if any other character can be used in place of xq

Albedo perhaps

[merry kite]

Could work, doesn't need much field time

Xq applies hydro for the archaic Petra for childe rotation here so it would have to be reworked

[merry kite]

I was calcing riptide wrong

Sue me

35k

[winter steeple]

Hey that’s better than kokomi hyper

That has Kazuha

[merry kite]

Talked about it a bunch in kqm

I agree i think that thoma is lowkey deadweight

Another subdps could make the team work a lot better

Beidou is an option, don't know how hard it will be to battery her

The answer is hard actually but I don't know how worth it will be

[compact girder]

Isnt koko hyper 36k

[tardy thunder]

Do the Xinqiu Thoma version didn’t beat The Xinqiu Kazuha version?

[merry kite]

it did

significantly

all my calcs were wrong

[tardy thunder]

What did you do wrong?

[timid portal]

thoma stonks?

[wanton beacon]

[timid portal]

@tardy thunder can u list me some of yunjin's best comps so i know what to recommend ppl who are asking where to use her

[balmy remnant]

it'll probably be in the guide

[tardy thunder]

^

[tardy thunder]

Guide is coming along I planned to have it done by now but all the overtime I’m working has delayed it

Some examples of characters she’s great with tho are Yoimiya phys Zhongli phys Fischl Noelle Ninggaung and Childe

[tacit zodiac]

no working!
only tc!

[tardy thunder]

Logan doesn’t pay me

[tacit zodiac]

logan will pay you in debate club refinements

[tardy thunder]

But I wanna be In the trading card club not the debate club

[winter steeple]

Yunjin with yoimiya

Unlimited mobility and comfort while not sacrificing any dmg

[tardy thunder]

[night cliff]

C6 yoimiya experience

https://youtu.be/luM5GiMO3uY

[merry crater]

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

[acoustic abyss]

how does yunjin-yoimiya compare to beidou-yoimiya? i'd assume beidou is still a lot better for content with multiple enemies

[astral vessel]

Hi, how much ER does Yunjin need on an average in a rainbow team?

[brazen oak]

Hello, I was wondering how much ER I'd need if I ran an R4 Kitain Cross Spear on Yun Jin? Mostly on a mono-geo team but I'd like to know how much I'd need on a Yoimiya, Yun Jin, Bennett, Beidou team. Thanks!

[winter steeple]

Yeah

[winter steeple]

Rotation?

2 Yunjin Es 1 Bennett E 2 beidou Es no counter?

[brazen oak]

Yeah.

[winter steeple]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LT0AGZVrJ69JvJTiM2VM_5msUVAQ5PtknX8Sl69JitE/edit?usp=sharing

unreasonable ER on beidou

Make a copy of the sheet if u want to find the ER of other teams

[brazen oak]

Thank you very much!!

[tardy thunder]

Depends on a lot of things

Who are the other team members

Who has favonious

Common ER ranges are 160-200

[astral vessel]

Something like Jean c2, Xingqiu and Ayaka c0

I have around 170 on her, not sure if it's enough

[tardy thunder]

Is she using favonious?

What about Jean or Xinqiu? Favonious?

[faint hornet]

"Yes, they're both using Aquila Favonius."

[compact girder]

Noir

[astral vessel]

Yes, fav lance r5
Xingqiu is on Sac and Jean is on festering desire

[tardy thunder]

Would need to plug it in the calculator to get an accurate number but 180-200 should be comfy

[faint hornet]

Y'know. ER reqs for Yun Jin if you're using Fav Exile Gorou, even not funneling, are pretty damned low.

[tardy thunder]

[abstract night]

generally yunjin only runs into problems if solo geo or pillarless zhongli (essentially solo)

[tacit zodiac]

anyone has Yanfei + Yunjin sheets

?

[tardy thunder]

I don’t

[jaunty acorn]

How much ER do you usually want for yunjin

Oh nvm just backread

[faint hornet]

Zhongli Yun Jin Bennett Beidou a good idea?

(Zhongli driver)

[prisma horizon]

Does C6 Yunjin is good for Eula nuke team? Since Yunjin give extra atk speed

[wanton beacon]

Beidou without a battery is

[tepid tapir]

Eula doesnt get much from attackspeed since hitlag effects claymores a lot

[prisma horizon]

alright thanks mate

[acoustic abyss]

my problem with Beidou-Yunjin comps is that they both kind of have the same job, but when you run both you have to split resources between them

kind of like how dual carry comps aren't great

beidou wants fischl and bennet, but yunjin wants you to have kazuha and DMG% buffers

[faint hornet]

I always forget about energy.

[tame tree]

fav is better right?

[night cliff]

give me those spare favlance

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/683374470781468777.gif?size=16&quality=lossless

i only have r2 here

[acoustic abyss]

How does rust compare to VH for childe in a yunjin comp?

does the extra damage bonus get more value from yunjin's buff?

and childe already doesn't use his burst as much in a yunjin comp, so i thought it might favor rust

[timid portal]

imo yes

[rugged stream]

In a hu tao double geo comp, with R3 fav lance, how much ER does yunjin need?

Her ascension and fav will give her 160% right off the bat

I'm guessing 4pc husk is better for hu tao comps, since she doesn't get much mileage out of noblesse

[river yew]

you also get crit rate with vh vs ATK% with rust, so it probably compensates easily

[compact girder]

Anything on phys yun jin

[thin sage]

does c6 yunjin push yoimiya comps above hu tao in terms of single target damage?

[gray bison]

I doubt it

[compact girder]

Anything on Yun jin + keqing?

[gray bison]

I haven't calcd myself, dunno if anyone did

[compact girder]

How about yun jin carry

[gray bison]

But my personal take on the matter. If you want to have fun, overworld and stuff, anything with yunjin works. If you want meta, don't use a character that doesn't want to auto attack. Making a character with mediocre autos have fine autos won't make them meta. You want someone with good autos to make them great

[compact girder]

Uh

Noir mentioned def phys crit yun jin

So i wondered if something about that was worked on

[wanton beacon]

I think he did calcs for it

let me see if I can find it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BOVWO2OgiBxZdxREutfIPuYF26--cJlcOsh7hCVFD0E/edit?usp=sharing

@compact girder

[gray bison]

What is XL doing there?

Or is that a XL main dps comp?

[compact girder]

Subdps

[gray bison]

Wouldn't xq be better though?

[compact girder]

For?

[gray bison]

Dmg?

[compact girder]

Yun jin doesnt vape here

Xingqiu doesnt snap

And he’s purely ST

[gray bison]

Yunjin would vape some dmg, and his dmg without snapshots is already good

[gray bison]

Isn't yunjin?

I mean, I don't think you should be using a polearm as a main if you're looking for AoE dmg, should you?

[wanton beacon]

it's a pp comp

[gray bison]

Yeah, I got that part. I guess my question should be why are you using yunjin carry in pure pyro

[wanton beacon]

personal choice most likely

[gray bison]

Hum ok

[acoustic abyss]

whats a decent number for a C0 yunjin to be buffing ningguang?

mine is a bit copium and does around 2500

per rock