Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

4 lithic

How much er would Shenhe need @compact girder

[compact girder]

180

Can get that from subs methinks no?

[tardy thunder]

No

[compact girder]

Ah

[tardy thunder]

Need sands

[compact girder]

Can you go er weapon

[tardy thunder]

You could but isn’t it better to keep a crit weapon and use an ER sands?

Could use EL tho

[compact girder]

Actually yeah lets go with ur idea

Er sands and lithic

Er cryo crit

[tardy thunder]

How many of her autos get her E buff

[compact girder]

Around 15?

Ill go look again

Actually no

I counted and got 22 of her NAs buffed

In the ruin hunter vid

No its just 20 nvm

[compact girder]

20 of them

She hit 21 cryo autos though

Albeit scuffed cancels

[tardy thunder]

Her Q doesn’t steal any?

[compact girder]

Steal what

[tardy thunder]

Shenhe E buff

[compact girder]

Uh

Quills or a4…

[tardy thunder]

Quills

[compact girder]

Oh

Her Q eats all of them

[tardy thunder]

Is that gonna be a problem or no

[compact girder]

Not really

[tardy thunder]

Pog

[compact girder]

Chongyun uses quills too btw

Once with his E nd some with his Q

[tardy thunder]

Yeah he should be good sub dps here right

[compact girder]

Yeh

Just needs like 125 ER

[tardy thunder]

Also I think I got rotation that makes Xiangling Yunjin bennet c6 work

[compact girder]

Hmmm

[tardy thunder]

Zhongli E>YunJin EQ>Bennet EQ>Xiangling QE 3N5 1N2

Seems to work

Using Gorou as placeholder Zhongli

Cuz I don’t have Zhong

That’s 29 YJ stacks

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder yeah about 19 or 20 Shenhe AAs get her A4 buff though

[remote nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEjGZgW8DGA

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/bNUesyC_vZo check this rotation pretend gorou is thoma

[wanton beacon]

Man, I need to wait so long before I can test this team in game. It looks so fun

[balmy remnant]

counted the stuff you wanted, it's in regular tc

except the thoma procs because uhhh, thoma procs

[tardy thunder]

Thanks

[tardy thunder]

@balmy remnant https://youtu.be/9INLksdpA7Y changed the rotation a bit

New rotation in trying is: Thoma EQ>Bennet EQ>YunJinEQ>Xiangling EQ N5D N5D N3>Bennet E>Xianging E

If I’m counting correct this cuts it down to a 21s rotation

With 21 YJ procs

[balmy remnant]

counting now

Rotation Length: 20.25s
N5D N5D N3 (first hit only) so yes 21 YJ stacks
2nd guoba not bennett buffed tho

[tardy thunder]

thanks

you da man

[balmy remnant]

[sand sluice]

Who has the best results with her if I don't have Yoi?

Tried with Noelle and I didn't like the feel.

[tardy thunder]

theres a lot of characters she works very well with honestly

zhongli, xiao, hu tao, physchl, xianggling, just to name a few

[balmy remnant]

they'll be on Noir's/WFP's Yunjin Guide

right noir

[tardy thunder]

yup

[balmy remnant]

[timid portal]

[tardy thunder]

Atilla and I are working on the guide

YunJin mains is also working on a guide

[timid portal]

noir just lists every genshin chara

[tardy thunder]

Except Raiden

[timid portal]

[sand sluice]

No I mean, who are the units that are looking to have the top 3 compatibility here? I already know Zhong because of his multihit.

[tacit zodiac]

Fischl C1 procs Yunjin's burst too

[sand sluice]

I meant comps with like, 44k-near 50k sheet deeps

[tardy thunder]

Pikeli and Physchl look to be there

im still working on other sheets

working on Xiangling YunJin rn

[sand sluice]

What's yunjin's cons in your calcs?

[tardy thunder]

C5

I don’t know how to calc for c6 so I don’t

[tardy thunder]

Xiangling Yunjin team damage isn't looking too good so far

29k dps with her and thoma damage

havent counted bennet and YJ yet they prob increase it to like 35k

maybe YunJin should be the on field

[wanton beacon]

[tacit zodiac]

pyro yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

ya

i think team damage will be higher with yunjin on field than xiangling

gotta calc it and find out

[spark crystal]

even with the slower speed of aa chains?

[tardy thunder]

seems like im getting close to same amount of stacks

dont they have similar attack speed?

also yunjin have a shorter attack chain so i think a dedicated shielder become less important and albedo will be enough if shes on field instead

[spark crystal]

on one of xls chains she has a rapid aa

[tardy thunder]

so yunjin albedo xiangling bennet instead of xiangling bennet thoma yunjin

[spark crystal]

also yeah she has shorter chain so i think your right but the jab aa xl does might be worth looking into

[tacit zodiac]

bennett c6 then? or just do phys yunjin?

[spark crystal]

you have a point with shielding tho

[tardy thunder]

yes this is c6 bennet

it might also be worth, if we are using albedo, to just replace xiangling with gorou

would need to figure out gorou uptime on yunjin tho since she doesnt snapshot

[spark crystal]

I'll lurk you calcing this teams

[tardy thunder]

rotation seems to be Albedo E>Bennet EQ>Xiangling QE>Yunjin EQ N4D N4D N4D N3E>Bennet E>Xiangling E

[hidden eagle]

yunjin for NA xiao is pretty fun

[tacit zodiac]

It increases his burst level value and anemo goblet it's pretty fun

[sand sluice]

Is kicking zhongli out of the usual double geo tao for yunjin recommended?

[abstract night]

not recommended. u can kick albedo out though

[sour karma]

so like pure pyro yunjin works right?

with xiangling as the main driver

[sand sluice]

Noir did a calc for that I think?@tardy thunder

[sour karma]

hmm alright. im considering it for when i get kazuha

tho i do have like sucrose c6 maybe could try it out with her or smth

[compact girder]

Pretend kokomi is xingqiu

[tardy thunder]

I’m still calcing it trying to figure out if it’s better to have Xiangling or Yunjin driving

[sour karma]

Hmm alright

[silver lake]

i would like to ask if there are any calcs available for a razor yunjin team

[tardy thunder]

@balmy remnant in the Pikeli rotation do you know how many seconds it took Zhongli to do his 4N5D? Debating if it would make sense to replace fischl with Sara here since Rosa can snapshot the atk buff and Zhong might be able to get most if not all his damage under buff

[tardy thunder]

Rotation would be Zhong E>Sara E>Rosaria EQ>YunJin EQ>Sara CA>Zhongli 4N5D

I think

[tacit zodiac]

wont sara CA take too much time

[balmy remnant]

8,2s

[tardy thunder]

Thanks

[tardy thunder]

So probably 3N5 would get Sara buff?

[tacit zodiac]

@tardy thunder any calcs on C1 fischl between R5 slingshot, R5 Rust, R5 Waltz, and Harp?

[tardy thunder]

Not yet

Still working on fischl

[tacit zodiac]

is there a plan

[tardy thunder]

Fischl is a cluster fuck

She said complicated

[tacit zodiac]

She played complicated

[tardy thunder]

And she has a plethora of weapon options

[tacit zodiac]

yeah I can see it

[tardy thunder]

Slingshot, Rust, Compound Bow, Waltz, Harp, Tpulse, Brumal Star

She’s fucking spoiled with options

[tacit zodiac]

what about long range fischl with amos

[tardy thunder]

Idk how Amos works

Can she even attack from far enough

[tacit zodiac]

you shot from afar, you deal big damage
i dont know if the arrow will snapshot yunjin's buff if the buff ends midflight tho

[tardy thunder]

How far do you have to be

[acoustic abyss]

does her A1 have infinite range?

[tardy thunder]

The CA on Oz thing?

[acoustic abyss]

yeah

152% damage would be a lot on amos...

[tardy thunder]

CA tho

So wouldn’t be a Yunjin build

That sounds funny tho

I’ll have to calc Amos for both with and without it’s passive

Not sure how many stacks would be reasonable to assume

[tacit zodiac]

2-3 stacks maybe

[tardy thunder]

Seems reasonable

[loud sage]

Hi i have a question about Yunjin C6 attack speed bonus
So, as far as i know in Yoimiya's case, icd for her normal attacks is either 3 seconds or 3 hits and thats why first third and fifth arrow are able to do reactions and when Yoi fires first arrow again the 3 seconds have already happened so it reacts again allowing a cycle of reactions at first third and fifth arrow again
Does anyone knows if Yunjin C6 buff makes her NA string end before 3 second pass which would make the cycle to broke? Can then C6 be bad for Yoi vape teams?

[dark pendant]

Yoimiya always applies pyro every third hit even if the 2.5s ICD hasn't ended

NA1
Arrow 1 - Applies pyro
Arrow 2 - No application

NA2
Arrow 3 - No application

NA3
Arrow 1 - Applies pyro

NA4
Arrow 2 - No aplication
Arrow 3 - No aplication

NA5
Arrow 1 - Applies pyro

Yoimiya always applies pyro every third hit regardless of cooldown, which coincides with her NA3 and NA5. It's a bit confusing but the table makes it easier to understand

So no, Yun Jin doesn't mess up her ICDs

Hmm now that I think about that's more pyro application

[loud sage]

Yeah i know that, what i was asking is
After NA5 applies pyro, the next arrow to apply pyro should be NA2 as NA1 first and second arrow would be in icd but because of the 2.5 sec icd from first arrow has already passed NA1 first arrow applies pyro instead and the NA3 and NA5 cycle repeats
So what i was asking is, does the attack speed bonus makes the second NA sequence to start before the 2.5 sec icd?

[dark pendant]

Oh I get what you mean now

Doesn't ICD also reset with the third hit?

[timid portal]

yea

[loud sage]

So it doesnt affect for vape team?

Okay thank you so much

[dark pendant]

Actually, the timer doesn't reset

Finishing the 3-hit sequence before the timer does not reset the 2.5 second timer.
The first hit after the timer will apply the element, reset the timer, and reset the hit sequence.

How many seconds does Yoimiya's take to finish her AA string?

[loud sage]

I never counted it myself but i know that if not interrumpted during her 10 secs Yoi can do exactly 3 NA full strings
So i guess that 3 secs and has a hitlag of 0.5 after NA5
But then again i never stopped myself to count

[balmy remnant]

that's not how hitlag works + bows and catalysts aren't affected by hitlag

[dark pendant]

In that case you should still be able to vape your first hit with C6 Yun Jin

Has someone tested Yoimiya XQ Yun Jin C6 in-game?

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1snnq0h-BzS7DowRVNtq_k6ezOT6X73JwoNy2kUa66pw/edit?usp=sharing current PikeLi YunJin sheet

dunno if i messed anything up

does anyone know the dps of current PikeLi teams?

[night cliff]

how much better is pike compared to homa for phys with yunjin?

[crystal flame]

Oh I didn't realize I have Jean C2
This is your updated vape yoi-yunjin right? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1awGdP58735c2EgKKPJ_OUKfgo2emJNxY2mTMpZ6NTRU/edit#gid=0

That's with Yunjin C6 and her atk speed, Yoimiya does 3 N5 and that's it? is that 21 stacks?
Would Yoi get to consume more stack with both Jean C2 and YJ C6?
(to weight pulling for YJ for me)

[tardy thunder]

Haven’t calced any other weapon

[plain sequoia]

Its probably going to still be like it was before. If I remember correctly it takes like r3 Homa to beat out Cpike. There was a guy back in Mathlos named VINS that did a bunch of Cpike calcs.

[tardy thunder]

yeah Pike is insane

adds like 1700 MVs

[abstract night]

yeah probably. i remember that guy, but some of the other stuff he said back in the day based on his math was very questionable

[odd lotus]

anyone have frame counts for yunjin n4d?

[balmy remnant]

yes

[odd lotus]

can you share?

[balmy remnant]

it's in the yunjin frames mastersheet if you add the stuff, but i guess i'll just do it, it's 127 frames without atk spd and if you're frame perfect

[odd lotus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y6ZVgsNAX3t06sF1mEkWLeifOpfXSY734D2vfPZqy3Y/edit#gid=2091512338 this one? Doesn't this use pre release footage

[balmy remnant]

133 if you assume you dash somewhere in between N4s second hit and N5 starting

yeah, but since it's the mastersheet the first sheet on there is my most recent one, recorded with Yunjin in her trial aka official

[odd lotus]

ohhhhh

okay

official means trial

huh

okay i'm seeing some small differences from the one in YJ main's im gonna talk to the person that calced those tho

[balmy remnant]

small differences are fine within like 1-3 frames ish, but it could also be we counted some things differently such as in-betweens, etc,

[odd lotus]

So @balmy remnant there’s also KQM numbers for Yun Jin frames, but it showed a 10 frame difference for n4d (137 vs 127) which is quite significant when you’re doing 5 n4d chains. Still waiting to hear back from some of the other TC staff in Yun Jin mains but I think the soft consensus so far is that we’ll do our own counts as yet another reference point.

[odd lotus]

Not ready to make v2 of my phys yunjin sheet public yet but these were the numbers I was getting for personal yunjin DPR (c5 10/13/13, kqm standard substats), buffs from 4Totm fischl, 80cr 4NO Rosa, and zhongli shield

r1 homa ≈ r2 pike when I calculated out pike refinements

PWJS r5 was for funsies bc it’s hilarious that r5 pike still beats it

[night cliff]

On Zhongli maybe it is a little different since he has DMG bonus based on hp from passive too but I feel like it won't change that much

[odd lotus]

Yeah that makes sense

Also just realized you were talking about zhongli in your original post haha

[balmy remnant]

had some more spare footage of yunjin from a rotation i recorded during the potion event, and the frames for N4D (i counted to the second hit of N4 for the combos i saw and just added 24) ended up being 134, 132, 133, and 137. Then i also counted the dash frames in the video since i was doing N4D and they ended up being around 21 frames, which brings the totals down to 131, 129, 130, and 134

[odd lotus]

Okay interesting

I’ll let you know what we find on YJ mains

[visual jewel]

[wanton beacon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Pwvx5KT5oqJAamxd844pqt4MOfAF_djp_YGfO31WpOE/edit?usp=sharing

looks promising

[visual jewel]

Yunjin gonna age well

[wanton beacon]

i just need to finalize the rotation in practice

[sand sluice]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1jR4y1g7dj

Childe Yunjin but the Childe's C6R5

[wanton beacon]

doesn't add to much

[radiant wagon]

i mean the childe cons affecting that clip are... c3 and maybe c4 right

r5 bow maybe makes a bigger difference

[sand sluice]

It's a thundering pulse yeah

[hidden eagle]

What are some fun comps for childe+yunjin ? Especially interested if xiangling is not involved

[wanton beacon]

@hidden eagle

[tardy thunder]

Oh nice you added a Koko variant

[wanton beacon]

haven't finished calcing it yet tho

[nova tangle]

how many ranged charged attacks does childe do

none

[nova tangle]

hitting oz has infinite range. oz actually hitting anything has very limited range.

also, amos counts the distance from oz to the target, not from fischl to oz

[tardy thunder]

Wait is fischl A1 damage considered CA damage?

[timid portal]

NA

[nova tangle]

its CA damage

rust reduces it

[timid portal]

oh wait a1

i thought c1

[rugged stream]

How viable is normal attack xiao with yunjin? meme or ok?

[obsidian marsh]

i mean if u hate plunge attacks but love xiao thats one way to make him work

im not smart enough to tell u if thats a good or bad idea though

[sand sluice]

If it worked you'd know about it already because xiao mains are extra loud

[gray bison]

Is that freeze?

[wanton beacon]

The first one is

[gray bison]

Ah yeah, was looking at the 2nd one's dps

1st one is still kinda low

[wanton beacon]

Yeah it's only 30k, which is OK imo

[gray bison]

Yeah, it's ok, but it's not that competitive to other freeze comps

It's still around 25% weaker than Ayaka and ~30% weaker than Ganyu

[wanton beacon]

As expected, childe isn't really meant to use freeze like ayaka or ganyu

[gray bison]

@wanton beacon I might be missing it, but where does it say what artifact set is being tested? Is it 4BS?

[wanton beacon]

For freeze yes

It's on the sheet called childe

Tartaglia is a different one

[gray bison]

Ah ok

It's kinda weird

Why level 80/90, Talents 8/10/10 instead of 9/9/9, and why overcap on crit rate?

Also, by the standards most other sheets go by, 4 star chars are usually c6 right?

[wanton beacon]

The freeze was done with my own standards

So I probably have to adjust some things

[gray bison]

Ah ok

[wanton beacon]

As for the crit rate it's the combination of polar star plus some crit subs and the BS effect

[gray bison]

I feel the 110% crit rate is the most weird thing there, but other than that sounds good

Yeah, you could reduce the c.rate subs to just the baseline 2 and invest the rest into atk

If you're trying to update to KQM standards, they also don't let you have c.dmg circlet with 10 liquid c.dmg, just 8

Just as a side note

[odd lotus]

I don’t play xiao so idk exactly but iirc it wasn’t a meme, I think @tardy thunder worked on a calc?

[odd lotus]

Oh this is really interesting, does it work w c0 childe? I only ask bc I have him c6 so I’m unsure of his feel at c0

Also curious how rust r5 would stack up compared to harp and polar in this scenario

[wanton beacon]

Childe in the calcs is c0

[odd lotus]

Nice okay

Wasn’t quite sure how to make a rotation w him at c0 since I couldn’t test it

I haven’t looked at thoroughly but this is really cool tho

Also might be worth calcing childe kaz YJ zhongli since IME shield is kinda important for long NA chains

[wanton beacon]

I'll add it when I have the time

[tardy thunder]

The damage is good but I don’t know how it compares to his existing teams, but it should fix issues people have with him like pushing enemies back and motion sickness from plunging

[tardy thunder]

There’s a rotation of this but with Thoma instead of Zhongli

[wanton beacon]

what was the whole rotation

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/fHGHEftq-Vg

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

Seems to work pretty well

Get to vape Childes burst and Thoma do decent sub dps damage since you’re doing a ton of NAs to quickly stack his shield so he doesn’t need to build pure HP, and he gets vapes

[odd lotus]

Hmm I’m curious if shieldfei would work too

Less sub dps but stronger shield probably and you can still vape childe burst

[tardy thunder]

Would prob work for more comfort yeah

And healing with prototype amber

I think Thoma damage prob fairly important there tho

Think this was sheeted let me check

If we could make thrilling takes Yanfei work it would prob be worth

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZUvLgQeb0w7Dt02fokErGD5k41Dcs5Rwpx95jcKFn1M/edit I haven’t vetted this sheet but it’s from @merry kite looks like Thoma is doing about 146k there

[odd lotus]

14%

[merry kite]

for sure if you're running this, go fav on thoma

and give him noblesse

haven't done the sheet but I'm very confident it will be higher damage since childe can run less ER

[odd lotus]

Yeah fav on shieldfei works too

[merry kite]

shieldfei is fine too just no subdps potential

and no 15% dmg boost

tbh with all of the other dmg% childe has it isn't that big a boost

[tardy thunder]

@wanton beacon I’m checking the rotations on your sheet; for the Xinqiu version do you think it would be worth it to use Childe Burst before YunJin Q so it doesn’t eat into her burst uptime, or no?

Imma try and record the rotation exactly as you have it

[wanton beacon]

could be since it would help with uptimes which means more stacks

[tardy thunder]

Not sure where we’d use it tho hmm

[wanton beacon]

[merry kite]

Thing is you're also pretty limited with how long you stay in childe e or your rotations get really long

[tardy thunder]

Also true

Honestly i think bow users might be the best YunJin drivers

They are straight up spoiled with weapon options

So many excellent YJ driver weapo options for bows

[wanton beacon]

yeah bow weapons options are solid

[merry kite]

I'm wondering if I was too harsh on yunjin kokomi

[tardy thunder]

[merry kite]

It just doesn't feel like it will be great since the no crits and she isn't vaping

But the atk speed alone is a massive kokomi boost

[tardy thunder]

Couldn’t you make it a vape team?

[wanton beacon]

I think it could be solid but kokomi's inability to crit definitely is something to consider

[spark crystal]

This is more of a fact, catalysts as a whole get fucked over ngl

[wanton beacon]

yeah the fact she has no hitlag means atk spd is really good

[tardy thunder]

YunJin would prob hold Petra on a Koko team I think

[spark crystal]

Kokomi even with yunjin koko doesn’t get much scaling from outer sources

Yunjin I feel really positive biggest increase for her normals she can get if she had to chose her fights, honestly kokomi could not crit still if her scaling of her stuff was better

Also I was thinking of swapping Petra I want that set the work real bad.

[merry kite]

The yunjin boost would be about a 45% damage increase on kokomi normals during burst, which is great on its own, but the atk speed is massive on her

[spark crystal]

^

[tardy thunder]

Also @wanton beacon in childe Xinqiu Yunjin team have you tried running the numbers with Petra on YJ instead of Husk, since it would buff both Xinqiu and childe? Since Xinqiu doesn’t snapshot I think would be really good

[merry kite]

It's less about maximizing yunjin and more about kokomi

[tardy thunder]

Trying to figure out the Petra buff uptime would be a pain tho

[wanton beacon]

I have not, been real busy as of late

I definitely will tho when i get the time

[tardy thunder]

[spark crystal]

Honestly yunjin buff is huge but it still isn’t ‘optimal’ on koko. I say that but because I’m overhealing on clams hard with my aa’s my clam proc is disgusting

I personally have run into the issue of is vv better than yunjin when creating a kokomi main field dps team. So

[tardy thunder]

Why not both

Koko Yunjin Kazuha Xinqiu

[merry kite]

Yeah this is kokomi hyper

With my math, yunjin buff increases kokomi dps during burst by around 4k

[spark crystal]

Well, that works

[merry kite]

But that isn't accounting for the atk speed

[spark crystal]

That’s correct on practice too, I get around. 3k increase myself

[tardy thunder]

Huh that’s not much

Prob better to just use fischl personal damage then

[obsidian marsh]

how good is yunjin with yoimiya? like, on a scale of "irreplacable good" to "viable but theres better or maybe even cheaper options"(asking cuz i havent seen a lot of info on this)

[tardy thunder]

Irreplaceable good

[spark crystal]

I have a bit more attack speed as well with c4 if I ever post videos

[tardy thunder]

She’s Yoimiya best buffer

[obsidian marsh]

OHH OK thats rlly good to hear :D

[merry kite]

I'm definitely going for c1 kokomi but I'm tempted to go farther

[obsidian marsh]

thank u!

[spark crystal]

The buff is bigger than bennet though for kokomi

[obsidian marsh]

gl on ur pulls 🙏

[merry kite]

Wonder if we'll ever get an hp buffing unit

[spark crystal]

Yunjin in pure terms of her competitors

[spark crystal]

I hope it’s hydro archon

[obsidian marsh]

hutao buffer

[spark crystal]

Hydro buffer but no hydro application since that’s the trend with hydro atm

Or heal a fuck ton to fuck over ht

[obsidian marsh]

hydro archon better be another hp scaling dps or else-

[spark crystal]

[obsidian marsh]

i will riot

even tho shes probably gonna be healer anyway

😢

i just want her to beat shit up...

[tardy thunder]

My theory is hydro archon is CC

Like Mona ult bubble on steroids

Slime theory

[spark crystal]

If it’s true hydro archon is the one like in GGZ I’m whaling c6

[obsidian marsh]

oh right slime theory

[spark crystal]

Slime theory accurate af

[spark crystal]

Well not really true but like, if they look similar

[wanton beacon]

Yeah same, i think she'll be a healer with hydro app and CC

[obsidian marsh]

ahh im hoping hydro archon looks like seele tbh

[wanton beacon]

which is very useful

[obsidian marsh]

seele was in hsr so ?? maybe she will be in genshin too

[spark crystal]

Seele is waifu of the series for me, I had a theory that bronya was one of the old archons people she sent out for information.

But that’s super cope again but it would fit their dynamic a bit

Justice and all that...

[wanton beacon]

I hope we learn more about the old archons

like what we got with makoto

but more in depth

[obsidian marsh]

i like pretty much just made hydro archon my own oc at this point 😭 . so i get u with the "super unlikely theories" thing

[spark crystal]

I feel you I’m super whimsical on ideas so I either get disappointed or hooked on the new idea

[obsidian marsh]

HFDJHJHGFD YEAHH like omg umm

one of my theories for the tsaritsa was that she is actually the orinial archon.. technically... but shes been so corrupted that shes changed beyond recognition and the other archons r like "ur not the tsaritsa we knew 💔 "

a theory based on almost nothing btw but i was like

that would be so cool

[spark crystal]

Okay before this patch or kokomi release I was hard coping kokomi was a stern tactician cultist that was a strong believer of her religion and she was personally fighting the shogun so inazuma stopped being mad about the covid snake messing their stuff up

[obsidian marsh]

PLEASEEE

SHFJHDJHGFDJH

I WANT KOKOMI WITH ULTERIOR MOTIVES TOO

[spark crystal]

AND THEM AFTER THIS RELEASE I WAS LIKE:
KOKOMI KS A VISHAP BREH

CHARACTERS THAT ARE MORE REALISTIC TEND TO BE THE BEST SHE DIDNT EVEN HAVD TO e BE EVIL

missed potential unless next patch kokomi story

Vishap pls

[obsidian marsh]

PLS

kokovishap new weekly bosss.. jkjk... unless..?

[wanton beacon]

I mean she got less screen time then teppei in 2.1 right ?

[obsidian marsh]

she did? 💀 damn

that moment when im more invested in a faceless character than the archon stories

[spark crystal]

Yes.

[wanton beacon]

that's sad

[spark crystal]

Bro she got fucked in archon quest

Like kazuha and beidou unironically got more cutscenes than her

[obsidian marsh]

im excited for yaes story quest at least

i have somewhat high hopes jhdfhjgshj

[spark crystal]

Her demo is going to be

[obsidian marsh]

OH MY GODDD i forgot about the promotional videso omg

ill be so excited for those too

[spark crystal]

I’m so excited even before buffs and changes yae has always been a cute in precious games

[obsidian marsh]

facts

[spark crystal]

We will see sayu in yae demo bet

Sayu cameo

[obsidian marsh]

ei cameo pls

im hoping sara is on her banner too.. which seems like she will be? she hasnt been on a banner in a while

[tardy thunder]

Getting used to exactly when yo switch off childe and exactly what to do in his downtime is the tricky part of this rotation

[obsidian marsh]

yeahhh apparently his artifact buff thing is somewhat of an indicator but its so hard to see ngl

especially when ur doing a bunch of reactions

i dont have childe but ive tried him out a bunch in trials n shit

[wanton beacon]

yeah

[radiant wagon]

i hope shes just a background prop

like chilling as a barrel

[tardy thunder]

It definitely works tho

Just takes getting used to

Do you think childe can use 4 SR here? If we use RQ?

[wanton beacon]

for sure

it's definitely an option

[tardy thunder]

Wait 4 HoD prob better anyway huh

Gives similar amount of dmg bonus while also having some for Q and riptide

[rocky adder]

Can I ask questions about Yoimiya Yun here?

[wanton beacon]

yeah

but weapons could make it close

[obsidian marsh]

yeah anything yunjin related

[wanton beacon]

4HoD is probably best but I can see 4SR being close enough to where subs matter more

[rocky adder]

Cool

I was wondering if shime is now better for yoimiya due to it also multipling yuns damage as well? And if yoimiya fichl, beidoi Yun is a good team?

[tardy thunder]

Uploading footage now

[tardy thunder]

Shime very good for Yoi now

[night cliff]

I'm waiting for a bow NA DMG + attack speed set

[tardy thunder]

In a Yoi Yunjin team you want to focus on Yois damage as much as possible

[wanton beacon]

you already have the bow part, just missing the atk spd set

[rocky adder]

Is it better than the other artifacts now?

[tardy thunder]

Game breaking you childe Physchl

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[rocky adder]

Oh cool
Thanks

[tardy thunder]

It depends tho

[night cliff]

Where is that

[night cliff]

[tame tree]

I mean...

[wanton beacon]

pulse and rust

[night cliff]

As artifact

Something like 2p +15atk speed

[tardy thunder]

New set: 2 piece: atk speed +15% 2 piece: after casting elemental skill, bow and catalysts gain the following buffs for 12s: NA damage plus 50%. Attack speed plus 7.5%.

[night cliff]

4p glad but for bow na

[tame tree]

so 4Shime > 2CW + 2Shime/Glad for Yoi if you are running Yunjin?

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

Easily

YunJin doesn’t care about your attack

She diminishes the value of attack

She want damage bonus and crit

And EM if you vaping

[obsidian marsh]

yoimiya is finally gonna put my r3 rust in use 💀

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/COB_f16fhWo @wanton beacon

[night cliff]

I've been using my R1 rust for months, when can I get Tpulse or R5 rust

[tardy thunder]

Couldn’t do XQ EE here cuz my sac sword is only r2

[tardy thunder]

Childe is 80/80 with level 7 talents 2 glad 2 sr here

Cuz I haven’t got HoD or 4 ST for him

YunJin c0

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

I think it feel very promising

[wanton beacon]

It looks really good

[tardy thunder]

Also if we can figure out a rotation with Shieldfei we’re she can get us TTDS on Childe vaped Q

I think that would be really good

Don’t know if energy would permit her to hold it tho

[compact girder]

Ning stonks???

[rocky adder]

Would it beat Childe, Xiangling, Bennet, kazuha though? That feels very hard to beat

[wanton beacon]

probably not but it's an alternative

which can free up XL and bennet

which is huge in terms of opportunity cost

[tardy thunder]

[tardy thunder]

I have no idea what the team damage of international is

[wanton beacon]

i got 46k DPS

so i don't think we're far off

[tardy thunder]

But even if it doesn’t, this team has advantage of not needing to stand in bennet circle which is huge with how many mobile enemies Mihoyo keeps making

While also of course not needing bennet always being a pro

[tardy thunder]

And you have this Childe YJ team at 44k right?

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

And I think we can still improve it further

With Petra yuniin

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

But figuring out Petra buff uptime is…

Also in this team have to be careful with using YunJins hold E

Cuz it is 4U geo so it wipes out entire hydro aura

Have to be sure you don’t mess up Kazuha timing with that

[rocky adder]

Oh yea
If you don't get the parry, is it better to hold or just press yuns e?

[tardy thunder]

Not sure

[river yew]

Are those primary target calcs? Because i really doubt they are good here with how international def has way better AoE

[abstract night]

wasnt that with the 24s rotation

it changed 33k when i adjusted it to 34s

which is more in line with other calcs i've seen

[wanton beacon]

why does the rotation go up to 34s ?

[river yew]

also am i misunderstanding something or why does this kazuha have 28 swirls here

[wanton beacon]

give me a sec, it's probably a mistake

[abstract night]

this is my recording without kazuha q and taking as much shortcuts as possible, time how long that is https://streamable.com/dt4rbn

oh yeah this also has c1

so add an extra 2s

[wanton beacon]

you don't usually apply hydro after the first rotation

[abstract night]

its not sustained dps calc then

u have to remove double vv from the beginning

[wanton beacon]

yeah that's not what international is, I was doing a calc of the first rotation

[abstract night]

its not a rotation if it can't rotate

u can calc any team with 100% er and no energy and say first rotation

[wanton beacon]

I'll add a second and third rotation then

kaz gets 2 swirls per E right ?

[river yew]

yes

oh yeah, i think the main reason there's a problem here is that this rota works for freeze childe, but for the rest where kazuha gets infused with hydro kaz should have 2 times less swirls

[wanton beacon]

ah

I brought it down to 13, I used Noir's vid as a reference

in the vid he uses kaz E 4 times and Q twice

I didn't count the DoT procs of the second Q

It's 41k rn

[river yew]

also

You don't have VV res here right?

[wanton beacon]

for which team ?

[river yew]

like

[wanton beacon]

i would count that ?

[river yew]

I mean that it should be *1.15 probably, no?

[wanton beacon]

idk how kaz works

[river yew]

well swirls are affected by VV

[wanton beacon]

Ok so it would be 1.15 then

[river yew]

Also you didn't include hydro/cryo dmg dot, it's low af dmg but still why not

[wanton beacon]

you mean the additional absorption right ?

[river yew]

yeah

in Q

5 times of it

[wanton beacon]

what's the formula for it, is it the swirl formula or the normal dmg formula

[river yew]

Normal dmg formula

Except kaz only has his A4 for dmg bonus for obv reasons

oh and iron sting passive too

[wanton beacon]

I adjusted it

no more double VV

[river yew]

tbh i don't see a big problem in double VV honestly

like it's really unlikely that practically you'll take more than 2 rotations with internat

[wanton beacon]

idk apparently it extends the rotation to like 34s

or smth

but i'm not sure

[river yew]

it's more that you'll do the majority of the damage in the first rotation anyways

and the second one is mostly to finish it off

[wanton beacon]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

uh i think so ask Sir Von

[wanton beacon]

I need to adjust the rotation in the sheets to the rotation noir did

[tardy thunder]

uh oh did i mess up the rotation?

[wanton beacon]

no I just did add certain things like the second kaz E you did before childe melee

[tardy thunder]

ah

yeah i wanted to refresh vv

seems like yunjin still lasted for 6N3D anyway

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

might need someone more skilled with childe than me to test it

[wanton beacon]

yeah it's primary target, I only have 6 riptide procs

[tardy thunder]

i wonder how valuable his c1 would be here

[wanton beacon]

[compact girder]

Noir

[tardy thunder]

thats a whole nother can of worms tho lol

[tardy thunder]

hi pearl

[compact girder]

Do u think shenhe can get 28 stacks with c6 yun jin

Since A1 chong gives 8% aspd

And yun c6 gives 12%

[tardy thunder]

i have no idea i dont have shenhe

[compact girder]

Ic

[tardy thunder]

20% atk speed sounds juicy tho

[compact girder]

But jrm told me that N4D shen could get 25 stacks

[tardy thunder]

was that counting chongyun atk speed?

[compact girder]

I dont think so

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Ill go test how many i can do later

Is there a mob that stays still so i can beat it with my stick

Ruin guards move too much

[abstract night]

i think u need to adjust the er assumptions too, just at a glance your kazuha and childe ones will jump up a ton

[wanton beacon]

childe doesn't need that much ER tho, that I can say from practice

as for kaz I have no idea

i'll take your word for it

[abstract night]

i recommend you calc and optimise it yourself

to try and bring that down

[wanton beacon]

alright

thanks for you help

[radiant wagon]

kazuha er makes sense

isnt it at that range for vv tao? might be higher

[wanton beacon]

damn kaz needs quite a bit of ER

[tardy thunder]

That’s why I almost always use favonious on him

He procs it effortlessly even at low CR

Since he has so many hits that can proc it that are all AoE

[wanton beacon]

I have an r5 fav

I need that kaz rerun

[tardy thunder]

Does anyone here have a c6 fischl, a Thoma, a Rosaria (c2+), and a YunJin?

Need someone to test Physchl rotation with Thoma as the 4th instead of Xinyan or bennet

[odd lotus]

C4 shieldfei w proto amber also probs would be an option?

[tardy thunder]

Doesn’t really enable melts tho

Would be strictly inferior to everyone else I think unless you need the amber heals for corrosion

[odd lotus]

Does rosaria have enough cryo application to override fischl?

Yeah decent option if you want a healer

[spark crystal]

Has anyone tested that for noir?

[wanton beacon]

tested what ?

the psychl thing

i don't think so

[spark crystal]

the team above yeah

if nobody does it I can try rotation's you'd like to do on a later date

[tardy thunder]

Xinyan has 0 icd on her pyro application

So even with Oz out for a while Rosaria seems to still be getting 3 melts on her Q DoT

[odd lotus]

Oh Rosa reverse melting okay

[tardy thunder]

And 1 on first hit of her E, 1 on 2nd hit of Q

Ya

[odd lotus]

I was thinking forward melt

[tardy thunder]

Yeah the Xinyan version seems to work really well

And for Physchls own personal damage bennet was barely an increase over Xinyan in my calcs

YunJin really devalues attack buffs

Mihoyo tryna make her invalidate bennet

Haven’t calced Rosaria damage in the team yet tho

Xinyan getting Rosaria more melts than bennet but bennet give her that attack buff

So prob gonna be pretty similar

[tacit zodiac]

is Xinyan's pulse really 0 ICD?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

https://youtu.be/AZ3NtzoxB40

[tacit zodiac]

Man, I really wish we can turn off constellations

[spark crystal]

did this feel good playing or a bit finicky to play?

[tardy thunder]

Feels very smooth

Masanori moving out of Rosaria ult is annoying tho

I like how my Xinyan hit a 15k ult with a level 50 favonious and triple defense

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder ill go do YanJin stuff

Ok nvm yanfei only does 12 NAs

[merry kite]

Did anyone TC just thoma DPS with yunjin? trying to get some mileage out of my c6 bennett and it could be a full 4* team with XQ. Kazuha might be better overall but I'm not sure and his burst being so short really makes rotations awkward.

btw Noir I also checked and petra > HoOD for the childe opera squad

as long as you can get hydro

[wanton beacon]

should boost the dps by quite a bit

[merry kite]

it does make it a little bit more awkward to vape childe's burst

[wanton beacon]

I meant for my childe/yunjin team

where we ignore vaping the burst entirely

for yours it does seem tedious

[tardy thunder]

now imagine it in the childe Xinqiu Yunjin Kazuha team

[merry kite]

with petra it's 37k

the thoma team

but the rotation probably needs to change a bit

[tacit zodiac]

What do Yun Jin thread think about this kind of rating?

compared to similar rating system on xingqiu

@tardy thunder

[tardy thunder]

Is cute

[random cloud]

Can I ask where do you see these ratings~

[tacit zodiac]

I'm making it on my own

[random cloud]

Oh I see, looks cool~

[compact girder]

Do you guys think ning could Q twice in her rotation

[proud jungle]

I appreciate this level of elaboration, it’s what most tier lists lack

[viral lotus]

finally a rating system with nuance

[leaden topaz]

Please put some thought into TS Yae and Yunjin🙏🏾

[dark pendant]

This is how character rankings should be made. You put a lot of effort and it shows, amazing job.

I agree with the majority of rankings except for the S on universability. While she can buff any element, the fact that the buffs are limited to only NAs give her very few team options. The only carrys that are good with Yun Jin are Yoimiya, Noelle and some uncomventional main DPS like Zhongli, Jean or Fischl. She's basically another niche buffer like Shenhe, Sara or Gorou.

[abstract night]

shes good with hu tao too (if u can do n2c combos)

[tardy thunder]

“Very few team options” I gotta call cap on that one chief

[dark pendant]

She can only use around 16 stacks with that rotation

Less if she bursts

[tardy thunder]

And she is still equivalent to Zhongli or albedo there

[compact girder]

Ningguang

[tardy thunder]

I’m very confused on how you got the opinion that she has very few teams

When literally the opposite is true

[dark pendant]

Isn't she more CA oriented?

[abstract night]

it doesnt matter, hu tao uses enough stacks to make yunjin as good as albedo

[tardy thunder]

Ninggaung NA hits twice every time

[dark pendant]

I don't think Ning can use many stacks

[tardy thunder]

She can literally use all 30

[abstract night]

also hu taos burst doesnt affect stacks

[dark pendant]

With CAs, burst and 2 E in between?

[tardy thunder]

Would depend on AoE if you’re weaving CAs in

[dark pendant]

Oh well, doesn't matter much if you count Ningguang or not

That still leaves her with limited team options

[tardy thunder]

I’ve heard that her NAs are doing equivalent damage to her CAs with YunJin buff up so it might be worth it to just dump out all 30 YunJin stacks before using her CA

[tardy thunder]

I need you to define limited team options

[dark pendant]

That she doesn't that many comps

So she's not universal

[tardy thunder]

How many are you defining as not many?

[dark pendant]

Yoimiya and Noelle are the only metà teams she can buff

Maybe you can squeeze Hu Tao in but that's kind of a stretch

[tardy thunder]

How do you know that

[wanton beacon]

childe

[tardy thunder]

What are you defining as meta teams

[dark pendant]

I don't think she's worth dropping over swirl

[radiant wagon]

pure pyro yun jin looks pretty nice, dont remember how it fares compared to klee as 4th slot though

[dark pendant]

But yea ig you could count him

[wanton beacon]

drop bennet

[tardy thunder]

You don’t drop swirl

[wanton beacon]

your rotations become shorter cuz you don't have to funnel XL

[dark pendant]

He's required in Intenrational

[tardy thunder]

And you become free of circle impact

[dark pendant]

For Xiangling

[tardy thunder]

This is not international

[wanton beacon]

doesn't mean it's his only team

[dark pendant]

I mean, it's Childe's best team

Ig you could use her in fireworks

[wanton beacon]

childe/yun/XQ/kaz - Snezhnayan Opera

[tardy thunder]

What does that matter

[wanton beacon]

this team doesn't require taking 3 in demand supports

[tardy thunder]

Here’s the problem: you are looking at YunJin through the scope of trying to slot her in existing comps

[radiant wagon]

isnt freeze childe like 30k for pure single target

[tardy thunder]

YunJin changes the way you build the teams she’s in

[wanton beacon]

I got around that

[dark pendant]

Funny name but the comp sounds awful

[tardy thunder]

You don’t just slot her int existing teams and call it a day for the most part

[tardy thunder]

He has math on it

I have videos on it

[wanton beacon]

41k DPS isn't awful

[radiant wagon]

41k dps ignoring riptide aoe right?

[dark pendant]

What is the point of Xingqiu there

[wanton beacon]

only 6 procs

[wanton beacon]

shred

from c2

[tardy thunder]

The math so far shows it being very close in dps to international and we haven’t even improved certain things like giving YunJin Petra to buff Xinqiu too

I think we can honestly make it stronger than international in terms of sustained dps

[dark pendant]

Is 15% shred worth more than just using Bennett?

[radiant wagon]

unfamiliar with childe, is 6 proc riptide pessimistic?

[tardy thunder]

YunJin devalues the shit out of bennet

[tardy thunder]

You use Xinqiu not just for shred but for poise and a ton of damage too

[dark pendant]

Xingqiu for damage?

[wanton beacon]

with bennet instead of XQ it's 31k DPS
with XQ it's 42k

[tardy thunder]

Yes he does a lot of damage

[wanton beacon]

he does dmg

[dark pendant]

Why not use Fischl in that case

[tardy thunder]

He’s one of the strongest sub dps in the game

[wanton beacon]

6 procs is just one enemy

[tardy thunder]

Did you ignore half of what I said

[radiant wagon]

ohh

[wanton beacon]

12 is 2 enemies

18 is 3 and so on

[tardy thunder]

I said poise and a ton of damage, and also damage reduction and micro healing

[radiant wagon]

how are the kokomi tartaglia calcs going

[tardy thunder]

Fischl only provides one of those

[dark pendant]

what did I miss exactly?

[tardy thunder]

Read up

You suggested fischl who only does one of the things that Xinqiu provides

[wanton beacon]

I haven't had the motivation to do calcs as of late. Trying to focus on uni

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu provides way more than just damage

[dark pendant]

Xingqiu is not that great for damage and her shred is minimal considering that you already run an anemo

[wanton beacon]

tho i'm definitely intrigued

[tardy thunder]

At this point I’m going to have to give you a verbal warning

You’re making outrageous claims that you have no proof of

[dark pendant]

What?

[tardy thunder]

About something that we’ve done a lot of work on

[wanton beacon]

XQ in this comp is doing 11k DPS and 273k DPR

[dark pendant]

How is saying Fischl deals more damage than Xingqiu an outrageous claim?

[wanton beacon]

which i think is a respectable amount for everything he offers

[wanton beacon]

where sheet ?

[tardy thunder]

You said Xinqiu is not great for damage

[dark pendant]

Is this for real?

[tardy thunder]

And yes saying fischl does more damage than Xinqiu here without any proof is outrageous

[dark pendant]

Do I also need a sheet to proof that Beidou deals more damage than Lisa?

[radiant wagon]

xq is important for that comps survivability, imagine ambtao without his DR or heals

[tardy thunder]

That’s not even remotely close to the same situation

If you’re going to make claims about numbers please have a way to back them up

[dark pendant]

My point is that there are some arguments that don't need a sheet

[wanton beacon]

In what scenario, at what level of investment, what wep, what teams etc

[tardy thunder]

Which I agree with, but your argument does need a sheet

[wanton beacon]

sheets provide context for comparisons

[dark pendant]

It's general knowledge that Fischl C6 deals an insane amount of damage, I don't see the need of a sheet to back up stuff like this

[tardy thunder]

That’s not equivalent to what you said

[radiant wagon]

xq vs fisch is actually kinda complex for this situation, either option affects kazuha vv, if petra, survivability etc

[tardy thunder]

Comparing fischl to Xinqiu is not even close to as@simple as one does more damage than the other the end

[dark pendant]

I also stand that she deals more dmg than XQ

[radiant wagon]

does xq reduce childe's er in this comp?

[dark pendant]

At least without reactions

[wanton beacon]

childe doesn't need much ER in the first place

[dark pendant]

Probably yeah

[wanton beacon]

since we only use rQ he's basically on a 40 cost burst

[dark pendant]

Although Childe doesn't have very high ER needs

[tardy thunder]

Did I not just verbally warn you not to make claims about numbers that you can’t back up?

[dark pendant]

Are you serious

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[wanton beacon]

he should be able to have his burst up by the time he switches out

[dark pendant]

Jesus christ

[tardy thunder]

273k is extremely high for a sub dps

[wanton beacon]

and it'll go even higher with petra probably

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[tame tree]

KQM TC Roundable:
"Yunjin is pog for Yoimiya. Moving on"
literally talk about her for 3 mins

tho tbf, they said that not many people had really did much tc on Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

I don’t watch those

[tame tree]

was the most recent one

[tardy thunder]

Don’t really care about their opinions

[wanton beacon]

damn

[wanton beacon]

oh that makes sense

[abstract night]

it doesn't matter, let the meta shifts and calcs speak for themselves

[tame tree]

I wanna get Yunjin already

[wanton beacon]

same

[timid portal]

but shenhe xiao banner

[wanton beacon]

saving pity

[timid portal]

exactly

[wanton beacon]

run yun on kaz banner mhy

do it cowards

[sour root]

This happened on yoimiya release too

Not enough interest

Tc was slow

[night cliff]

Noir is tc'ing like 283943892 teams with yunjin so dont need more people

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder im gonna try and see if its worth not using Ning CAs until you use up all of yunjin buff, what type of cancels do i do on Ning NAs?

[compact girder]

Walk cancels

[tardy thunder]

how do that

[compact girder]

Press W while doing NAs

Thats it

lul

[tardy thunder]

gotcha

[compact girder]

You can just hold W

[tardy thunder]

for some reason when i do pure NA spam on Ning i feel like im only getting 24 YJ stacks

might be counting wrong

[tardy thunder]

ok i count 26 without attack speed

[hidden eagle]

any new findings on teams with childe/yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

its possible it will have higher sustain than international if we put petra on xinqiu

wait no not on xinqiu

on yunjin

need to get a petra yunjin rotation recorded to see how much of childe and YJ dmg gets the buff

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

So

I was thinking Gorou E or Q whatever(not sure how he works honestly)

Gorou stuff Bennett E Q Ning screen Yun Jin E Q Ning N3C x whatever Q E Yun jin Hold E

[tardy thunder]

hmm thinks should work

[compact girder]

I can expect around 30-40k counters

And 20k+ on Q hit

[tardy thunder]

are you expecting full or half counters?

[compact girder]

The first counter is just half

[tardy thunder]

her buff should still be decent here too i quickmath it to 2337 defense on her

[compact girder]

The E>Q one

The E after Ning is Hold

If gorou buff cannot reach after ning you can recast his E/Q after ning

[tardy thunder]

yup

ill try out the rotation

[compact girder]

Sure

[tardy thunder]

having a hard time getting footage cuz im terrible at using ning CA

[wheat valley]

Gorou doesn't buff Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

?

[wheat valley]

Because Yunjin doesn't snapshot

[tardy thunder]

thats not what we are doing vin

[compact girder]

We are doing subdps yun jin

[wheat valley]

Oh

[compact girder]

Where her E smacks enemies

[wheat valley]

The 15%Geo Dmg Bonus for Ning?

[tardy thunder]

vin read the conversation

[wheat valley]

I'm illiterate

[tardy thunder]

we are doing QS with sub dps Yun Jin

[wheat valley]

Didn't you know

[compact girder]

Hello illiterate

[wheat valley]

That's

[compact girder]

Im Moon

[wheat valley]

Huh

Hmmmm.

So mandatory C1

Yes?

[compact girder]

Sort of

[wanton beacon]

[compact girder]

Hmmm

[tardy thunder]

isnt her E back up in this rotation even at c0?

[wanton beacon]

Noir has skill issue

[tardy thunder]

catalsyt CAs are shit

[compact girder]

After the 1st one maybe not?

[wheat valley]

Your hands are shit Noir

Git gud

[compact girder]

How long does a Gorou E/Q Bennett E/Q Ningguang E take

[wanton beacon]

Excuses excuses

[compact girder]

Koko Ca pretty good though

[wanton beacon]

it's not the catalyst's fault you have boomer hands

[compact girder]

Its fast and has wide AoE

Also yanfei Ca

[wheat valley]

You act like Ningguang CA is as bad as Mona

[compact girder]

Smooth like butter

[compact girder]

Jesus do not get me started

Mona CA is so horrible

Its like mopping with a rake

[tardy thunder]

main problem i have with ning CA is the walk cancel making her run like an idiot when shes supposed to CA

[wheat valley]

Why are you running

[tardy thunder]

because thats what happens

[wheat valley]

https://c.tenor.com/cJsj_QAMKSQAAAAM/why-are-you-running-why-are-you-running-away.gif

[compact girder]

Thats why you let go of W before a Ca

[tardy thunder]

am not used to that

[compact girder]

Go N3 Ning if you want

[tardy thunder]

i am

im trying N3C

[wanton beacon]

boomer hands

[wheat valley]

Inb4 we end up with something cursed like N5C.

I mean, this is for calc purposes. In practice you'll cycle NAs till you can skip that right hand CA.

[tardy thunder]

Think ive got usable footage lemme try 1 more time

of course, if any of you guys have these characters prob better if you ttry instead of me

uploading footage

@compact girder alternatively im wondering if we can do a double Ning Q rotation where we do: Gorou E>Ning E Q CA E>Gorou Q>Bennet EQ>Yunjin charge1 E Q>Ning QE CA N3C>Gorou E>Yun Jin Hold E

[compact girder]

I was thinking about that too

[tardy thunder]

prob a rlly long rotation but the extra rotation time is doing more damage stuff, so

i dont have ning c2 so i cant show what the extra Es from c2 add to rotation length tho

https://youtu.be/a-e20VI6kvg heres what i have with the first rotation tho @compact girder @wheat valley

[compact girder]

Yeah looks nice, tho idt you can E again with yun jin on next rot. W/o c1

[tardy thunder]

we assume c1+ then

i calc her at c5 always anyway

did i do ning CA right

[balmy remnant]

ew right handed CA lol

[compact girder]

The pain of every ning main

[wheat valley]

Should've thrown in another NA to remove it

[tardy thunder]

i dont know what that even means

[balmy remnant]

left hand CA is 43 frames, a twirl CA is 45, but the right hand CA is 52 frames, or 0.71s, 0.75s, and 0.86s respectively

[tardy thunder]

am getting 462k Ning dmg here can try and simulate what the 2 Q per rotation dmg would be

[tardy thunder]

i refsue to look at nings hands while i play

why did they make her like that

[balmy remnant]

don't know

[tardy thunder]

i am thinking it might be worth not using the 3 jade CA tho and doing another N3 or even a N2 instead tho

[balmy remnant]

also when footage of yunjin skills to turn to gifs

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

by in action you mean against enemies?

[tardy thunder]

how do you need me to send it? can i send her doing all her skills in the same video?

[balmy remnant]

yeah i can do that

[tardy thunder]

oki

ill record that now

[wheat valley]

@compact girder tell me if I'm hallucinating but Yun Jin can hold her perfect counter after it's been activated, right?

[tardy thunder]

if any of you guys have c2+ ning wanna record: Gorou E>Ning EQE CA>Gorou Q>Bennet EQ> YunJin charge 1 E Q>Ning QECA 1N3C>Gorou E>YunJin perfect counter?

[balmy remnant]

i went from C1 to C6 ning trying to get YJ but no yunjin. i'd do it if i got YJ

[tardy thunder]

uploading rn

@balmy remnant btw can i use a screenshot of your Yun Jin frame counts in the guide?

you'll be credited of course

[wheat valley]

This could be helpful, right?

You don't have to commit to tapping and possibly missing the parry.

[tardy thunder]

wait am confuse what is happen here

[wheat valley]

I get the perfect parry

But I hold it

[tardy thunder]

i dont understand

[wheat valley]

If you hold instead of tapping after you get a parry, you can hold the shield for a bit longer before it goes off

Basically it upgrades your E the moment you parry

[tardy thunder]

you mean when getting hit when holding it?

[wheat valley]

Starting the hold the moment you get hit

Maybe I'm explaining this the wrong way

[tardy thunder]

thats what her a2 does

if you get hit while holding she automatically does a full counter

[balmy remnant]

yes you can

[tardy thunder]

pogg also dmd you video

[wheat valley]

Yes but with Beidou you wanna release the moment you get hit from a perfect parry.

[wheat valley]

Not after the A1 timing though

Or maybe I'm missing something

[tardy thunder]

i dont understand what you're saying at all

[wheat valley]

[wheat valley]

I'm saying that long delay between the parry and the release of the second E in the vid might be helpful for blocking more attacks instead of immediately releasing it.

It might not be that big of a deal

[compact girder]

Yeah

Why

[wheat valley]

Might wanna put it in the tips and tricks section

I think the logical connection people make with Beidou's perfect parry would say you can only tap the E for it.

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder this is what i got for YJ personal dmg here

not bad

wonder if its reasonable to assume 2 full counters