Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

I dunno

[spark crystal]

I tried it out for rotations for a bit this morning but everything died on my ass

[tardy thunder]

It has more total damage bonus for her NAs than an r5 rust cuz of the physical dmg bonus main stat, but rust have a lot of attack percent

[tame tree]

Wait, if Fischl is C6 + Yunjin
Its worth to use Oz or not?

For Physical

[tardy thunder]

I don’t know

[spark crystal]

You’d use oz for Super anyways

[tardy thunder]

I need to look more into it

[tardy thunder]

Also this

[tame tree]

True

[tardy thunder]

My original idea was we use Oz before fischl gets on field

And set it up so that he’s just about leaving when she gets on field

Depending on how many stacks we can get with c1 it might be worth to just ignore c1 and use Oz properly

[tame tree]

Btw, cant they make a cryo turret?

[tardy thunder]

Why couldn’t her c1 just work while Oz is out lol

That would’ve been so good

[tame tree]

Ikr?

[spark crystal]

Granted I would fear for her balancing a bit more

[tardy thunder]

Oh can someone test that for me? How many YJ stacks fischl get without using c1?

[spark crystal]

Also need to look at a video for rotations of Chong I’m so doing it I have legit not used him

[tame tree]

Phys Fischl wouldnt be broken cause of this

[tardy thunder]

And also how quickly she gets 30 if doing dash cancels instead of womb

[tardy thunder]

Wouldn’t invalidate Eula’s existence except for AoE I think

[spark crystal]

Not broken but adds ontop of her already being good

Pretty pog

[tardy thunder]

Yeah

But yeah can someone test those 2 things for me

Plz

Am at work

[spark crystal]

Let me go read up the c1 again

[tardy thunder]

Fischl c1 makes when Oz isn’t out when Fischl does a NA Oz does a joint NA alongside her that do phys dmf

22% MV

[spark crystal]

Oh I do this all the time okay easy enough let me get on

[tardy thunder]

[spark crystal]

Get the hell outta here alley hunter

[tame tree]

Damn, Yunjin makes the Oz dmg hit like a truck comparatively

[tardy thunder]

Yup

It’s kinda crazy that that gets to be NA damage

2 YunJin stacks literally every NA

[tame tree]

Its kinda like Yoi C6

[tardy thunder]

And fischl has access to huge list of excellent weapons for a Yunjin driver

Compound bow, rust, waltz, thundering pulse, harp

[tame tree]

Oh yeah, weapons with crit and dmg bonus are better than atk weapons cause of the way YJ works

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[tame tree]

That could make weapons change ranks

[tardy thunder]

YunJin makes a lot of shit have to be completely re evaluated

[timid portal]

yunjin the beloved

[tame tree]

I wonder if Fischl mains done anything on it

[spark crystal]

Does Fischl have similar speed with R cancels to yoi btw?

[tardy thunder]

Aren’t all aim cancels the same speed?

I unno

[spark crystal]

Yeah the same but both have different animations on aa’s

[tame tree]

Kinda like Bennett making ATK less valuable
But its even worse for YJ since her buff doesnt like ATK at all

[tardy thunder]

And her buff being way bigger than his

[tame tree]

Yunjin is probably the best 4* addition to the roster since launch ngl

[tardy thunder]

I’d prob play Physchl Yunjin but I really don’t like bow autos

And aim cancels make me motion sick

[tame tree]

Gorou is good, but very niche

[tardy thunder]

Easily

YunJin best Gorou 2nd best third either Rosaria or Diona imo

[tame tree]

I would say Diona cause Rose its just Kaeya 2.0 at the end of the day

[spark crystal]

Running into an issue already how do you even practically know how many stacks you have

[tardy thunder]

Kaeya does not buff crit rate

[spark crystal]

No physical indication whatsoever

[tardy thunder]

Not shred phys

And Kaeya is not a good melt sub dps

He has standard icd

He can’t shred phys either

[spark crystal]

Going to check if Fischl has no hit lag like yoi

[tardy thunder]

Also Kaeya is a very good character so being Kaeya 2 isn’t exactly a con

[spark crystal]

Should be able to get all stacks if same

[tardy thunder]

All bow and catalyst characters have no hitlag

[tame tree]

Btw, what would a Physchl team look like?
Fischl + YJ + Rose + ZL?

[tardy thunder]

With aim cancels she can get all 30 stacks in like 5-6 seconds

But I wanna know how fast she can do it with Dash instead of aim for people that don’t want to do aim cancels

[tame tree]

Yeah, its just that no other 4* does anything close to what Diona does for most teams

[tardy thunder]

And how fast she can if we don’t use c1

[spark crystal]

Then I see no reason as to why Fischl cannot as she has the faster aa’s compared to you even without c1

[tardy thunder]

Yeah probably this with the last slot ZL or bennet

[spark crystal]

I don’t have anything physically showing me though to see how many stacks though bleh

[tardy thunder]

Oh I don’t doubt she can just need to know how fast

[spark crystal]

Let me look and see if we got something on paper somewhere

[tame tree]

Im really curious if Yunjin makes Mitter better than Rust ngl

[tardy thunder]

Same

I hope she does

I want to use that weapon

Cuz I got so many on the redhorn banner

I literally got two in a row

On single pulls

I was like bruh wtf

[tame tree]

Literally got R5 of it

My pulling section on Redhorn banner was funny af ngl

[timid portal]

[tame tree]

4 5*s in 120 pulls

[tardy thunder]

I feel like Yunjin also makes thundering pulse value as a weapon skyrocket

Even tho it was already very high

[spark crystal]

there’s nothing I can find for how fast exactly it is

Maybe I should stop being a lazy arse

And count it myself

[tardy thunder]

The aim cancels or the tacks thenselves?

[timid portal]

better to just set a timeframe

[spark crystal]

How fast to clear stacks w/0 c1

And dash iirc is the same as r right in terms of cancelling for aim?

Disregarding stamina

[tardy thunder]

Aim cancels are supposed to be faster

[tardy thunder]

Another one I’m interested in is Physchl Yunjin beidou bennet

No SC but have stronk bennet and beidou

That one specifically for it fischl still get 30 stacks with Oz out

@tame tree just checked, I have 7 Mitternachts Waltz lol

It’s so drip on her i want it to be good

[timid portal]

oh yunjin's a trial character in the potions event

[spark crystal]

On Fischl mains they talked a bit yesterday on it, but nothing that specifics how fast she actually gets them off, I guess it doesn’t really matter when you can reliably get all of them so nobody considered it? They also thought about what you said about waltz value and stuff yesterday too

Can’t seem to find anything with animations and cancelling alternatives

Seems that the idea of Yunjin making waltz value possibly higher than harp is being thought over there though

I wonder though how much it does increase waltz now since multiple people thought about it don’t own though

Also the idea that waltz is beating rust because of the higher physical damage you’re getting that’s kind of crazy just because yunjin spiked the damage

Yunjin really making physical carries not as copium

[tardy thunder]

Yup

@spark crystal got a chance to test myself I think I’m getting 8N2D with fischl under YJ buff, which is…32 stacks with C1, 16 without

Of course, would be faster with YJ c6

[spark crystal]

Waltz beats rust by quite a fucking bit since your physical stacking is big along with oz still shooting out later on from what I’m hearing so far still discussing in vc tho

W/o any Bennett’s/Sara but even then assumed waltz will still win over rust

[tacit zodiac]

I'm gonna try Ganyu normals next
She got cdmg ascension stat so she should use yunjin's burst better than Fischl will

[tardy thunder]

Waltz would get better with atk buffs I’d assume since rust attack ascension would get diminished

[spark crystal]

Yes same with physical but it’s the same with raiden before where the different mult isn’t as big compared to atk%

[tardy thunder]

I wonder if fischl Xinyan bennet Yunjin would be good

Not sure how important a shielder is

[radiant wagon]

what does xinyan go for there? overloads, phys nuke, or shields only

[tacit zodiac]

phys shred I assume

[radiant wagon]

might be to a lesser extent in comparison cuz yoimiyas aa string is a bit backloaded. im not a fischl main though so idk

[balmy remnant]

[spark crystal]

Because of waltz buffing oz still I wonder if the overall damage increase would be more with a vv user for oz dmg

Actually no

[tardy thunder]

Do you have fischl frame counts for N2D to double check?

[tardy thunder]

in place of who? Xinyan?

[balmy remnant]

yessir

[tardy thunder]

[balmy remnant]

they were recorded with no atk spd too so it's accurate to C0 yunjin, also no frame perfect assumtions, just the average of what i was doing, so it's a pretty fair measurement

[spark crystal]

Was thinking that but then you’d be missing out on pyro res

[balmy remnant]

in 12s, you should be able to get 12N2D + N2

stamina ignored obviously

[tacit zodiac]

do fischl use N2 or N3?

oh

[tardy thunder]

Resonance prob not a big deal

[spark crystal]

With friend it catches to thundering and polar but without doing some actual calculations comparing with waltz yunjin the oz damage you’re getting buffed with harp thunder and polar might be pushing them higher still

[tardy thunder]

[spark crystal]

But the fact it catches up to 5*s with crit substat is better than I expected tbh

[tardy thunder]

If you can do that that would be 26 stacks without c1

Tho maybe we just summon Oz midway through

Or as soon as all stacks are depleted

Hmm

[spark crystal]

From Fischl server it seems that they do that for the c1

[tardy thunder]

Fischl mains?

[spark crystal]

To gain the stacks ASAP

Yep

[tardy thunder]

I checked fischl mains but the tc channel is completely dead where you find this

[tacit zodiac]

wait, Oz's C1 procs Yunjin's burst stacks?

[spark crystal]

General chat yesterday from the user levethian I believe

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[spark crystal]

I couldn’t find anything myself for anything like frame counts and how long you’d go without oz tho since

[tardy thunder]

Guess we will have to reschedule that ourselves

[spark crystal]

Oh also this was pretty useful sheet I had on hand to look at numbers

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZtIXiALRE6qzNlqTnTgUYMO030kWfOoFYCdghJNHUzQ/edit#gid=1663237266

Odd thought but I thought for a split second shenhe hold e for SC and buffing more with quills

[spark crystal]

Then adding nobless

Actually can buff oz damage later too with just press

Which might just end up making the three contenders still win

[tardy thunder]

Three contenders?

What’s that?

[spark crystal]

Harp polar thundering

assuming you add into account oz damage eventually

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[spark crystal]

harp being it's physical aoe passive

[tardy thunder]

I’d be surprised if Tpulse isn’t always BiS for Physchl tbh

[spark crystal]

same here, it does everything you'd want without deminishing

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[spark crystal]

though c6 with polar supposedly beats harp?

don't own any of these weapons

[tardy thunder]

[spark crystal]

Ah that's because they are going hybrid now since oz is just that damn good pfft

4PC PF with electro goblet

[tardy thunder]

Ah yeah all that attack percent should be really valuable in a hybrid build since it buffs both

Fischl so complicated lol

[spark crystal]

And she has so many options too

that are good?

[tardy thunder]

I’ll set up a sheet then simulate how her damage changes when we change things

Need to figure out team and rotation tho

@balmy remnant btw do you know what fischls optimal NA chain is? Was it N2?

[spark crystal]

Thought it was n3/n2 before the animation where it pulls back

actually should have a video

[balmy remnant]

i don't, always just went with N2 because that was the og machine gun fischl that i knew

[spark crystal]

check it's NA2 with c1

https://youtu.be/NBHLs4P6NcQ

back in my day...

when dvalin got bullied with a chuuni

[tardy thunder]

Even with dash cancels?

[spark crystal]

ya with cancels

[tardy thunder]

Gotcha

[spark crystal]

check video above as well to check it out too

[tardy thunder]

Watching it now

Wish I was good enough to cancel like that lol

[spark crystal]

It's super satisfying

I've fallen out of habit of it though

OZ bot really changes you

[tardy thunder]

Time to get back in the habit with YunJin

Man imagine if crescent pike was a bow

[spark crystal]

?

???

smile?

lol

It took me abit to realize pike as a bow with fischl

wtf perm passive

I wish

[tardy thunder]

Bow pike would proc 2 times every Na with c1

[spark crystal]

Yeah I realized that pretty late that would be awesome

feels like it would only be crazy on fischl because bow users all supports at the minute

[tardy thunder]

Yeah it would be one of many bows that are only good on her lol

Compound bow and Waltz being 2 more

Fischl is spoiled with bows

[spark crystal]

and yet physchl still isn't beating the damn purple copium chicken

The day they finally create a dps bow character that is similar to fischl but instead has like, 5* aa's is the day all these great bows come to use

[tardy thunder]

Pretty sure it is with Yunjin

Or are there calcs showing it still isn’t?

[timid portal]

who's the purple chicken

[tardy thunder]

Oz

But he’s a raven

[spark crystal]

not sure haven't seem em anywhere can't test even if i wanted tbh due to my lack of collecting bow skills

or compare i should say

[tardy thunder]

I can but I don’t have 2 piece PF

I have r4 rust r1 harp and r5 waltz to play with

[spark crystal]

A orchestra of bows

[tardy thunder]

Do you have any team ideas for it?

[spark crystal]

well since people were giving flack with shenhe, i'd actually like to see her and yunjin's buffs stacked since similar.
Fischl Yunjin Bennett Shenhe seems nice to do with the sc i said before along with atk% buffs and also normal buff with shenhe e hold.
your idea with xinyan is pretty worth testing since fischl does have the problem with shields-- was thinking about thoma too but

not sure if that's the best idea and optimal team for actually comparing the three bows tho

my oz does like 7k with alley with pepega artifact now that I'm thinking about it yeah tech speaking physical should be doing more than the bird

you really hate to see it

[tardy thunder]

does Shenhe have any advantages over Rosaria?

[balmy remnant]

not censored, yet. Jk idk specifics

[spark crystal]

Shenhe usually great at burst windows because of quills i'd assume rosa might end off being better in something like a physical build

[spark crystal]

but she does buff oz dmg

[tardy thunder]

Shenhe cryo buff only buffing herself there tho

[spark crystal]

not cyro buff the E hold/press

ascend

[tardy thunder]

so she provide 15% dmg bonus vs Rosaria cr buff

[spark crystal]

and still has a shred but dunno how high it get

[spark crystal]

cyro+ phys

[spark crystal]

with c1 you can actually get both so she should be outright better with shenhe fischl specifically

really pog con

[tardy thunder]

14% at t9

[spark crystal]

nice

then yeah it's her e hold/press

vs cr

[tardy thunder]

And Rosaria damage

And shorter cooldown on Q

[tardy thunder]

Unless Shenhe does similar damage then we can cross that out

[spark crystal]

In shenhe pins apparently has appalling dmg since you go atk/atk atk maybe cyro

[tardy thunder]

No need to build her triple attack in a team like this where she’s only buffing herself tho

[spark crystal]

True.

Just that either either is apparently not that worthy of noting with shenhe tc pin

But yeah we can I cyro cup

[tacit zodiac]

sitri calced that her best arti is actually noblesse or bs?

wait this is yunjin's thread

[spark crystal]

Nobless is bis in a non cyro team I believe? But I’ve been hearing people do 2pc 2pc for cyro teams but I’m not very educated with shenhe

I don’t think I’ve seen anything from sitri myself if that’s somewhere

[tacit zodiac]

I can see 36% more attack losing to 20% crit and 15% cryo or 20% burst dmg + 20% atk in team damage tho

[spark crystal]

Lessens the stress of crit hunting

We could separate with and without oz

15% elemental skill for oz is something to consider for shenhe if going mixed rather than the hold

I should look at some videos showcasing better invested shenhe’s than mine

[compact girder]

Whats shenhe dpr assuming atk cryo crit though

[spark crystal]

Shrugs dunno

Think I’ll rest on thinking on it for now and get back to it after researching a bit more on shenhe and rosa

[tardy thunder]

[tacit zodiac]

Xiao Yunjin feels so good

tried it in floor 2 of potion event
zhongli, 1700 def yunjin, jean, lv 60 xiao

[rustic willow]

What makes it so good?

[tacit zodiac]

quick hits, and the normal AoE is actually quite big too

[rustic willow]

isn't using Xiao's normal a massive loss of dps compared to his plunges though? 🤔

[tacit zodiac]

that's why yunjin is there

[hearty thunder]

Not really

Yunjin makes up for it

[rustic willow]

Huh

interesting

[hearty thunder]

I have not done it practically yet but I will once lantern rite comes

[rustic willow]

Because I find Xiao's normals amazing but his "plunge only" gameplay is horribly dull

[hearty thunder]

Also sub dps>bennett in that case

[tacit zodiac]

you can always try yunjin in the potion event
they give free lv 80 yunjin there

[hearty thunder]

I already did

I like it it's more fun

[tacit zodiac]

no I mean @rustic willow haha

[hearty thunder]

[rustic willow]

Oh? neat

[hearty thunder]

[rustic willow]

I still haven't fully leveled her up yet T_T

[tacit zodiac]

yeah true, before Yunjin I don't even think of rolling for Xiao

[hearty thunder]

Anyone wanna band wagon with VV xiao

Also who are the free chars in the event?

My chars had like diff weapons when I used them...

[tacit zodiac]

yoi, yunjin, beidou, kazuha

[hearty thunder]

Xq too?

Or was my luck so bad I didn't proc sac sword once

[tacit zodiac]

this is what's in my game
I have kazuha

[hearty thunder]

[hearty thunder]

It's the same I think

[rustic willow]

Huh, considering Yunjin's buff is extra flat damage, I wonder if an EM sand+EM spear Xiao would work with that 🤔

have a mix of anemo and swirl damage

[hearty thunder]

But for some rzn I was not able to proc xq sac sword even once

I'll check on it later

[hearty thunder]

It can work

[tacit zodiac]

yunjin still need her driver to have stacked dmg% and crit

[hearty thunder]

That's my thought atm

[tacit zodiac]

so I use crit weapon

EM sands can work tho I bet

[hearty thunder]

It is sands anws so

Weapon

Maybe can sideline with dbane

Bcs passive

[tacit zodiac]

crit is still very valuable
but maybe dbane xiao swirling pyro could be good

[hearty thunder]

But I prefer fav Lance bcs I have low energy gen

[rustic willow]

Sands + weapon sacrifice no dmg% nor crit

[hearty thunder]

Xiaojin ec is also one team

Xiaojin double geo + sub dps also works

U rely on crystallize though

[tacit zodiac]

I name the team Smiley Yunxiao

[hearty thunder]

But that's what plunge is for

For dodging

[rustic willow]

Xiao with dragon's bane + Yunjin, XQ and ZL 🤔

[hearty thunder]

Crystallize mainly only for geo reso activation

[rustic willow]

lots of extra dmg%

[hearty thunder]

Not a fan but it works

[rustic willow]

not sure if XQ is enough to give ult back to Xiao though

prolly not

[hearty thunder]

I prefer recommending ec for double swirl though

But that's just me

[rustic willow]

Replace ZL with fishl

[hearty thunder]

Since going for semi em xiao

[rustic willow]

machinegun Xiao

[hearty thunder]

And also only hydro means only 1 swirl

Per target

[rustic willow]

Oh, maybe Raiden instead of Fishl

solves the energy issue

[hearty thunder]

Raiden might extend rot though

12 sec Xiao uptime, 5 second setup

[rustic willow]

true 🤷

[slim cloak]

anyone can give me some input?
I'm running noelle + yunjin, and looking for options for the other 2 slot

first in mind was like fischl + beidou or xingqiu, just as some off field dps
but i could run into energy issues with that team comp for noelle

another is to run triple geo, aka ningguang, and just a fischl on 4th
but i'm unsure if losing one element is worth it

anyone got any input on this so far?

[compact girder]

Do you have gorou

[slim cloak]

No

[tame tree]

man, I want Yunjin so much

btw, does Crescent Pike procs counts as NA dmg for Yunjin buff?

[novel nova]

No

[modern blaze]

better team energy > a tiny NA buff
go triple geo imo, or maybe fischl + beidou the tried and tested shock rock comp

yunjin herself is a pretty decent battery if you can get enough crit to proc fav lance reliably

without sacrificing damage

compared to someone like geo mc who hits like a wet noodle if you give him fav sword

[balmy remnant]

no

oh it was already answered oops

[tardy thunder]

Imo Noelle Yunjin bennet Gorou

[timid portal]

he dont have gorou

[tardy thunder]

Oh

Then albedo

[wanton beacon]

@tardy thunder I've started doing Childe yunjin calcs and it seems quite promising, the only issue i'm running into is what I should do during childe's downtime. Do you have any suggestions

[mortal sorrel]

If I'm running Noelle, Gorou, Albedo, and Zhongli now, how significant a damage boost should I expect from replacing Zhongli with Yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

whats the full team?

and how much downtime does he have?

@wanton beacon quick idea i thought of: use Sayu and roll with her E during childes downtime

[wanton beacon]

the team was childe/yunjin/kaz/ben

[wanton beacon]

[wanton beacon]

depending on the time spent in melee he has between 12 and 14 seconds of downtime

[tardy thunder]

Hmm maybe a sac sword Kazuha?

Two hold Es should consume a good amount of that downtime

Also got time to throw in a YunJin Hold E in there

[wanton beacon]

sounds pog, i'll test it and tell you how much i get

[tardy thunder]

[wanton beacon]

how many swirls should I give kaz

20 ?

[balmy remnant]

do we know how many particles a level 1 charge produces?

[tardy thunder]

2

[tardy thunder]

uhh each E gets 2, double that if double swirl. Q gets 6, double that if double swirl

[tardy thunder]

she get 2 on level 1 only 3 on full counter

[balmy remnant]

alright alright

[viral lotus]

Are there any sleeper yunjin teams that came to light after release?

yunjin had so many theorized comps on TC that i honestly stopped keeping track, I wonder how many panned out now that she's out there

[wanton beacon]

@tardy thunder i'm done the calcs

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Pwvx5KT5oqJAamxd844pqt4MOfAF_djp_YGfO31WpOE/edit?usp=sharing

[tardy thunder]

not bad

[cyan notch]

how's pike yunjin looking

or are there other theoretical carry yunjin builds i havent heard of

[wanton beacon]

35k is pretty solid imo

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that’s about equal to ST Eula Raiden

[tardy thunder]

Looks good I just need to add fischls damage to the sheet to get the full team dps

[tardy thunder]

There’s pike and there’s pyro

[cyan notch]

oh bennett c6?

i see

is pike running atk phys crit?

[tardy thunder]

Yeah, or def sands

Def and atk sands are about equal with pike

Atk slightly higher

Without pike you want def/dmg/crit

[cyan notch]

i see, thank you

[radiant wagon]

c0 each?

[tardy thunder]

C0 Eula and Raiden Eula Raiden Zhongli Rosaria team

[radiant wagon]

hm ok

[tardy thunder]

According to Sitris calcs

[radiant wagon]

wasnt sure if it was the speedrun venti/kaz ben comp

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/sw6p3ccMEh0 also trying to figure out how we run something like this

But trying to count the vapes here is…

Pain

[cyan notch]

wait actually i was wondering, is the wip sheet uploaded somewhere and can be accessed publicly?

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qdxh_T_5ewKfJ4c4bLONkB255Kf95cTqcxlyr81J_ms/edit

[cyan notch]

alright thanks a lot

[balmy remnant]

do you have the vape and non-vape numbers or i'll have to figure that out by watching?

[languid socket]

For your xl team what is the gear and stats you have on all characters?

[night cliff]

When did you pull for yunjin

[tardy thunder]

I did 3 ten pulls on Xiao banner

Got a Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Random shit

[slim cloak]

No albedo as well
No zl too

Also preferably I'm avoiding Bennett and raiden because typically I'm using them in another team more often than not.

[wanton beacon]

What characters do you have

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder do you have the vape and non-vape numbers? it'll make this easier to count, but also because there's a stray pyro number and i have no idea where it's coming from

[slim cloak]

Gimme 10 mins

[tardy thunder]

i do not

[tame tree]

Man, why are people calling Shenhe and Yunjin "Invisible DPSes"?

[tardy thunder]

because they add "invisible" instances of damage alongside your dps's damage i guess

for some reason ppl dont rlly like to consider their buffs as buffs

idk why

[tame tree]

Its really that hard to say that they buff the base dmg the character deals?

[tardy thunder]

i guess so

[slim cloak]

coz you can't visibly see the instances of their dmg lol

[tame tree]

I find this really stupid ngl
You are calling DPS someone that needs another DPS to do dmg
People are forgetting that they need the DPS to have crit and dmg% for Shenhe and Yunjin to do "dmg"?

[slim cloak]

welp

it helps casuals understand the units better

its not accurate i get you

[tame tree]

Imo its just making things more complex for no reason

[balmy remnant]

pain

[slim cloak]

basically im trying to find some homes for yunjin , and noelle being the most obvious one

thing is i tend to favor raiden xl benny kaz/xq team comp so preferably those units are not touched

[tame tree]

when you can literally explain the formula like this

[tardy thunder]

i dont disagree with you

[wanton beacon]

Noelle yunjin geo mc and fischl might be good

[slim cloak]

geomc over ningguang? \

[wanton beacon]

C1 gives crit rate

That's the only reason

[slim cloak]

only basing on that eh

but regardless of who

ur basically saying triple geo + flex > double geo?

[balmy remnant]

@tardy thunder can you calc your Xiangling's NA damage in the conditions in the video?

[tardy thunder]

I don’t remember what I had on her I threw random gear on her

[balmy remnant]

so much pain; the video quality, the geovishap hitbox making it seem like random ass pyro numbers come up when the pyronado only passes through it once

anyways

here's what i have, i think concluded

[tardy thunder]

Wait you actually willingly went through that pain?

[balmy remnant]

from what i could see, as a human

*Vaped 4 Pyronado Procs

[tardy thunder]

1 Na vaped kek

Guess Xinqiu bad here

Thanks for suffering for me my friend

[balmy remnant]

[forest rivet]

I'm curious, has anyone tried Hu Tao XQ ZL Yunjin with Hu Tao combo going to N2C?

[tardy thunder]

@abstract night has

Says she’s roughly equivalent to albedo there

[abstract night]

yes initial calcs show that plus she wins in a lot of qualitative qol parts too

[tardy thunder]

[abstract night]

only negative atm is her forced hold is pretty damn slow

which "feels" bad

[tardy thunder]

But it’s so pretty

[abstract night]

yeah i think it looks better than the tap/perfect counter spin thing

also she's ate all my reserve diligence books

[tardy thunder]

Diligence books so high in demand

[abstract night]

i use every character that uses diligence

[tardy thunder]

Same I think lol

I use every character that uses it except Ganyu

[abstract night]

which teams do u think she really needs fav?

[tardy thunder]

And chongyun but my chong is already invested he’s already invested his

[tardy thunder]

I forget specifically

A lot of the teams I calced her in have low particle gen tho

[abstract night]

for my initial thoughts post i put out the fav lance being bait thing, i really do think its true

only thing is outside of a bit here i haven't engaged with the yunjin tc community so dont know if thats a common concensus

[tardy thunder]

Common consensus is there’s no reason not to use favonious unless you can afford to use DM

[abstract night]

oh really, ok fine then

i mean deathmatch isn't amazing either

[tardy thunder]

Common consensus can be wrong tho

[tardy thunder]

Yeah it’s just that it’s the only polearm that gives defense

So it’s the only one worth using if you don’t need an er weapon

[abstract night]

for the masses, i was leaning towards litearlly just telling ppl to use an er weapon as a stat stick

starglitter and the catch are f2p too

even kitain works

or even just use fav but dont build for it

is the tldr

[tardy thunder]

It didn’t when I calced it before

[abstract night]

when i say works i meant literally is just a f2p weapon that restores 12 energy and isn't a dead craft for your account

since it has decent potential

on other characters

[tardy thunder]

Right I just remember her ER needs still being really high when I calced it before

Was quite a while ago tho so I don’t remember the specifics

I do so much Yunjin math that I forget a lot of it

[abstract night]

i get it reducing similar to fav lance

but yeah the goal is just getting as much def and enough er as possible

[tardy thunder]

reducing similar without having energy recharge itself

[hearty thunder]

Well

[tardy thunder]

Bigger crystals tho

[abstract night]

yeah its not ideal but if someone doesn't have starglitter its better not to craft

[hearty thunder]

Fav also decreases energy needs of others

Not just hers

So there's that

[abstract night]

yeah my situation was giving zhongli fav

[tardy thunder]

Yeah fav is mainly for helping the teams energy

[hearty thunder]

I give everyone fav

[tardy thunder]

Oh when she’s with Zhongli I always have fav on Zhong instead of her

[abstract night]

yeah

[tardy thunder]

Easier to build crit on him than her

[abstract night]

the original calcs that the yjm guys did had zhongli on black tassel and yunjin def def er

which is why i managed to change the results so much by switching things up

[tardy thunder]

ER sands is pepega

[spark crystal]

DM def isn't that huge of a deal too so fav end up being generally getting providing more for friends

[abstract night]

oh whoops

not er i meant crit rate circlet

cause of fav lance

[tardy thunder]

Ah

[abstract night]

that was how her team looked weaker than albedos

[tardy thunder]

Whenever I calc favonious I’m still on triple defense

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that would explain it

[tardy thunder]

Triple defense with 12 total cr subs

[abstract night]

yeah 12

is 44 cr

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[abstract night]

but even then

[tardy thunder]

It’s doable by doing NENQ

[abstract night]

my observation was u litearlly dont even need fav procs on her

the er is low enough that even casuals can just get er subs

[tardy thunder]

Yeah for her own energy that’s mostly true

[abstract night]

and just give zhongli fav

[tardy thunder]

Wen defense spear

[abstract night]

this is what i wrote

[hearty thunder]

More defense things please

[abstract night]

still initial testing so not gospel but its fair to conclude she's as good and most importantly worth the investment

especially how new players wont even have spindle, nor albedo

[tardy thunder]

Agreed

I still need to figure out a Physchl Yunjin rotation

[abstract night]

do u know whos making the wfp or kqm guide

[tardy thunder]

I am

Me and Atilla

[abstract night]

which

[tardy thunder]

WFP

I don’t know what kqm is doing

[abstract night]

idk

wfp guide is google docs or just yt?

[tardy thunder]

I know we have YouTube guides too dunno if the YJ guide will go out to YT

I’m also gonna do a Xinyan guide

Was gonna just try to work with the author of the Xinyan guide on kqm to get it updated but i didn’t get a response

So just gonna write my own Xinyan guide

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

Xinyan good

[abstract night]

even just 1 guide is pretty tedious

[tardy thunder]

Didn’t pick do like 3

[tacit zodiac]

if only I have redhorn and c6 xinyan

[abstract night]

yeah but doesn't he not actually have any of those characters

[tacit zodiac]

serpent spine good enough for c6 xinyan?

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

Spine r5 is more dmg than r1 redhorn for her

Barely

But redhorn is better QoL cuz it makes your shield stronger while spine makes your shield weaker

[tacit zodiac]

my xinyan is still at C3

[tardy thunder]

Pain

Her constellations all improve her a lot

Xinyan doesn’t have a single bad constellation

[tacit zodiac]

what's c4 again

oh pbys shred right

[tardy thunder]

Phys shred

[tacit zodiac]

yeah I forgot

that one's cook

l

[tardy thunder]

C1 atk speed c2 guaranteed crit and max level shield c4 physical shred c6 attack buff and stamina reduction

All so good

[forest rivet]

thank god she exist, now i dont have to run thoma anymore

[sand sluice]

Is XQ still bis in this comp?

Have you tried calcing a rainbow HT NA comp? basically use fischl instead of a second geo

[abstract night]

xq yes. for the second nah not personally, although someone i know has and it's solid

this is with zl fischl though not yunjin

[sand sluice]

I guess if your Fischl is cracked it's a win then

[abstract night]

probably performs better with yoimiya instead of hu tao

if only normal attacking

[timid portal]

no mention of bedo's em share?

[abstract night]

calcs already account for that

[timid portal]

[hidden eagle]

is anyone testing yunjin in hu tao team?

[tawny spoke]

U can see the calcs at yunjin mains

[tawny spoke]

Heres what they have its calced by steno

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10k-CdESEPWhzS7lIxMulooTN6LuPlaBDRJaG7lWz1S4/edit#gid=291100292

Read the assumptions first

[hidden eagle]

thank you!

after reading through this - i have c1 hu tao and homa, plus c6 xq and zhongli, but no albedo or thoma, so yunjin is fine as the 4th spot?

[tawny spoke]

Yes

Her buff gets better with c1 tao

[hidden eagle]

i had previously been using elegy ganyu in her spot and it was fine for abyss, but i really like yunjin

[tawny spoke]

Cuz u gain access to more N2Cs compared to just c0

[hidden eagle]

right, so i will just need to get used to doing n2 now

tbh i always had a hard time figuring out how much ganyu was contributing to the team - elegy buff is one thing but her burst enabling inconsistent melts is pretty difficult to analyze

[tawny spoke]

U can pretty much just drop her if ur fine in like doing VVtao

With amber

[tawny spoke]

Yeah you should

[timid portal]

btw should i build some crit rate on favo yunjin? or do i only use the ER substat from favo and just go ham on def

[tawny spoke]

U need crit for fav jin

But prio def

[hidden eagle]

how much cr is enough for r5 fav?

[tawny spoke]

Like ur target subs are def%, cr and er%

[tawny spoke]

That should be in the pins here somewhere

I forgor

Atilla should have like the reqs for favjin

[hidden eagle]

oof my yunji cr is low lmao

[tawny spoke]

Its like something above 50%-60%

[hidden eagle]

i can't really fix it w/o giving up ER subs though

[tawny spoke]

I cant remember

[hidden eagle]

which doesn't seem worth trading

[tawny spoke]

I dont really have much an input on that

I for one am fine with like some cope crit

[hidden eagle]

i have her at 31%

[tawny spoke]

should be fine

[hidden eagle]

and 200 ER

[tawny spoke]

Oh yeah definitely

[hidden eagle]

plus ZL in the team

[tawny spoke]

Ur gonna be fine

[tardy thunder]

You want crit subs for favo

[astral vessel]

I don't have Albedo so I've been running Hu Tao, Xingqiu c6, Zhongli, Ningguang c6(burst DPS)
Hu Tao is c1 and with Homa.
Is Yunjin going to improve over Ningguang's spot? Hu Tao lloses out on DPS but burst Ningguang makes up for it

[hidden eagle]

i've run this exact team w the ning setup and the yunjin setup and i like both - i think it's preference a little, ning will need more investment to contribute meaningfully to the dmg since she'll need decent crit for her burst to be worth it, yunjin is a little easier to build since she just stacks ER and def%, a little cr if fav, and funnels her dmg contribution to hu tao's attacks (also allowing n2c instead of n1c) rather than doing the damage herself (though tbf in my experience with only lvl 6 on yunjin's E it crits for 16-17k)

[tardy thunder]

@tame tree yeah nobody wants to describe Shenhe and Yunjin as buffers

[spark crystal]

Ok I guess

[tardy thunder]

I don’t know why their role is made out to be so complicated lol

[compact karma]

is the tier rating of yunjin's constellations still accurate?

[winter steeple]

Benny is a sub dps now?

[crystal flame]

Not sure what the obsession with subdps is, the simple way to define her is she is a buffer
she literally mainly just buffs characters

[compact girder]

Yeah i guess im guilty of this

Ill go delete my messages

[tardy thunder]

He’s a hyper carry now cuz his buff make more than Half his teams damage

[compact girder]

Sorry

[tardy thunder]

It’s not a bad thing

I just don’t get it

[gilded pine]

is there anymore sheet like this for different mdps, like kq or xiao or ning?

[tawny spoke]

noir has some

for Ning

[tame tree]

Just run ShieldFei dude

[tame tree]

See? Thats so convoluted

[forest rivet]

im gonna run zl, im using my shieldfei on my yoi comp cause IM FUCKING TILTING MY FRIEND BY SWAPPING YUNJIN AND YANFEI

[tame tree]

[tame tree]

Is like you are saying that Bennett, Mona and Kazuha are subdps cause they borrow your main dps mvs

[compact girder]

Yeah sorry

I told that to someone

I should just say they arent like traditional buffers

Is that wrong too

[viral lotus]

The only reason I see for this kind of wording is to avoid people's very common misunderstanding of shenhe's E. A lot of players that didn't understand how this E works first assumed that shenhe gives atk% to cyro characters, which is far from being correct.
Yunjin and shenhe are buffers, but the way they buff their team is not in traditional stat boosts, so people seeked a way to make the distinction between the two types. If i were to choose the right term for them, I'd call them "base damage buffers"?

[hidden eagle]

Where was this? I didn’t see it, but curious since I’m on the fence about pulling a bit more to try to go from c2 to c3

[compact karma]

yunjin FAQ in the pins here

if ur trying for c3 then I'd just wait till lantern rite and take free yunjin unless u badly need it for someone else

[hidden eagle]

I’m already accounting for lantern rite unfortunately lol - I’m at c1 and lantern rite will give me the c2 (I don’t need it for anyone else)

F indeed lol…c3 seems like her best constellation and I’m at 0 pity after getting shenhe, so it doesn’t seem that risky to try 20 pulls or so

[tame tree]

Exactly
If you wanna simplify:
Shenhe and Yunjin buff the bullets
While other buffers buff the gun, since they buff the multipliers you apply onto the base MV

[hidden eagle]

yunjin will benefit a lot from getting level 90 right? because of how much def% she has

[merry crater]

I went from 2.5k def to 2.7k def when I got her from 80 to 89 if that helps you

(Including husk 4 set 4 stacks)

[hidden eagle]

yeah my calc shows i should gain 300 def from taking her from 80/80 to 90

[merry crater]

Seems about right, I am missing some cause I only went to 89

[hidden eagle]

which seems like a pretty big/worthwhile jump

[merry crater]

Yeah

[hidden eagle]

i really want one more constellation too for c3...i'm back at 0 pity after getting shenhe and am worried if i try to get another yunjin i'll regret it lol

[merry crater]

I got c3 in 138 pulls

Lost 50/50 so my Yae is guaranteed now, at 70 pity atm

Reading back a bit, it seems like you took into account lantern rite as well actually unlucky

[hidden eagle]

Yup lol I got shenhe in 79 pulls and only got 2 yunjin along the way…I may do 20-30 more pulls to try to get one more - if I get an early c1 shenhe or early 50/50 loss it wouldn’t be too bad I think

[merry crater]

True

At least you can still pull

I am at 70 pity and next guaranteed 4* is at 75

[hidden eagle]

yikes yeah i'd hold off in that case lol

[merry crater]

I am not risking my guaranteed Yae for like a low chance at Yun Jin const

Yeah

C5 doesn't do much anyways

I'll go from c4 to c6 the next time she's on a banner

[hidden eagle]

i think c3 and c6 are her really useful ones right

and i guess c2 is pretty good

[merry crater]

I guess c4 is not too bad either cause she only has to proc crystallise, she doesn't need to pick up the crystal

So it's basically free extra def

Yeah c3 and c6 are the best I think

[hidden eagle]

i was initially not sure i'd get use out of c4 since i figured i'd be starting rotations with ZL and yunjin before doing xq q>e, but i guess xq could go before yunjin...and she'll always proc it after first rotation anyway

c4 is further off though i just want the 1 more lol

[merry crater]

Yeah true

I kinda think like that as well, c4 is guaranteed to proc after first rotation

Yeah c3 definitely a huge upgrade

[hidden eagle]

actually i wonder does c4 stack?

i assume it doesn't

but would be pretty sick if you could get like 60% def from triggering crystallize on 3 enemies at once

[merry crater]

I assume it doesn't, good question though

Unless someone else has tested it already, I guess I will find out in 3 weeks when we get the lantern rite event

[languid socket]

I don't remember getting more than one defense buff from picking up shards but I have c6 I will take a look if no one has fully confirmed

[merry crater]

that would be great

[tardy thunder]

Getting the same buff more than once always just refreshes the duration unless stated otherwise

[hidden eagle]

makes sense, still pretty good constellation

[merry crater]

ahh, makes sense yeah

[junior ingot]

I have a question regardin Yunjin's gobelt. Would she prefer geo goblet over def one ? Or maybe I'm mistaken with the def goblet being her best one ?

[languid socket]

For buffing it's defense

[languid socket]

For damage geo I believe is the better option but I have hit better numbers with my defense goblet anyway.

If you're not trying to do a more funkier sub dps/carry build she want defense percent for all of her pieces as a support buffer unit

[junior ingot]

Mine would have to run either crit circlet or some pieces with heavy pieces with high c rate because I want to run Fave Lance on her

[languid socket]

You want to try to keep with triple defense so you will want invest in critr on your defense pieces

[tardy thunder]

@wanton beacon have you considered a childe Xinqiu team For childe Yunjin

[viral lotus]

its early enough in your pity that it would be ok

[viral lotus]

Def goblet for your buffer
geo goblet for your meme counter build
As for yunjin driver, i'm unsure if its physical goblet or defense, i'll have to double check it

[spark crystal]

depends on preference def gives more nuke on E/Q

but physical actually makes her driving dmg higher

[spark crystal]

and also more buffing for the actual dps on the team

[acoustic abyss]

It's not the strongest or most indisputable point that Shenhe is a sub dps, but I find it useful to describe her to get player's to understand how she differs from Sara/Bennet. Many people discredit her because her quills can be used on any attack (ganyu's Q rather than her CA), and because they run out quickly, because they feel like they are wasting her buff on a weaker attack. In reality besides her passives that only buff one type of attack, or things like ayaka's E that grant more DMG%, being able to proc the quills on any attack is actually a positive, since it is easy to use them. And people don't realize that using her quills quickly is a strength not a weakness. Likening her to a Sub DPS makes it clearer why these are not necessarily issues

In addition she really does act in many ways like a Sub DPS. The two biggest elements that make people call Shenhe a buffer is that she uses your other unit's DMG stats to modify her attacks, and the fact that her number is added onto the same one triggering the Quill. Imagine if there was a unit like Shenhe who functioned in the exact same way, including the damage bonus modification, but the number appeared as its own individual hit. I think people would have no problem calling her a Sub DPS (besides her actual buffs in the passives and Q). Shenhe is a unit that is very weird and extremely easy to form misconceptions around. When we can fix the vast majority of those misconceptions by altering her category as a unit from a buffer to a sub dps, which is plausible on its own anyway, I think it makes sense why people want to call her one.

also another thing that makes her more like a sub dps is how independent her damage is from the person triggering the quills. You can give ayaka a level 1 sword and have her do next to no damage, but yunjin and shenhe will still be putting in work and doing damage, much like a sub dps like albedo.

[hidden eagle]

This is well put - I feel the same way and started to write a similarly long explanation but stopped halfway through lol, I’m glad you took the time though. I really like shenhe and yunjin’s kit design more and more since getting to play with them

[spark crystal]

I call a support a support.
Me like calling both burst supports and they give you a beeg number in their frame

[tacit zodiac]

I call them off field archers

[compact girder]

I just call them non traditional buffers

[acoustic abyss]

Yeah they definitely have a supportive role, but I think the way they support is more similar to albedo than Bennet. Support works for anyone who isn’t a main DPS sure, but I find with the complexity and unique roles of kits in Genshin it is useful to divide exactly HOW a unit supports your party

[compact girder]

Theyre like, very odd

[shrewd willow]

does yunjin buff childe's attacks ?

[spark crystal]

Which is why I specify shenhe specifically as a burst support at c0 and yunjin im a bit noted mixed in but you always add support in the name as that’s their role , everyone does it differently but to take the word support away is a bit confusing for some .
If they gave decent personal output themselves btw like albedo it’s called a sub dps support/burst support because having respectable damage on the side is something more worth noting.

[acoustic abyss]

Yes

[spark crystal]

Think it’s vital to be specific in cases where supports can be so many things so just sub dps feels inaccurate at times

[shrewd willow]

including riptide ?

[acoustic abyss]

Not riptide sadly

Just his autos

[spark crystal]

Then there’s the debates of characters like Fischl.. etc but not entirely in the mood to break down the wonders of what we should call each characters job title

[tacit zodiac]

I always look at fischl as off field DPS

[wanton beacon]

I have not, who should I replace

[spark crystal]

Same but one could also say a battery support, this is kinda the reason why I can’t say for many characters cuz they can be used in different ways

Basically my only definitive are main dps’s

[tacit zodiac]

I even try not to say main dps anymore, and use on field dps

because xiangling is main dps

[spark crystal]

Right? Lol

[acoustic abyss]

I think Shenhe is a hybrid sub dps/support. Her actual skill doesnt work fully like a buff since it uses her own attack and scaling to add flat damage, much like someone like fischl. The only part of her skill that acts like a buff is her taking other units DMG%. But I really think that if she didn’t add the number onto your main DPS’s number (a mostly visual effect, minus things like melt), people would compare her more to albedo than bennet

[spark crystal]

Too much to nit pick at

[acoustic abyss]

Who she is more similar to, at least in regards to her E

[tacit zodiac]

Yunjin

[spark crystal]

I see yunjin as her own thing with shenhe

They are really just their own class

[acoustic abyss]

Agreed with them being their own class

[spark crystal]

And I like the ammo mentality people have been using

[acoustic abyss]

Though i still think yunjin is extremely similar to Beidou with her burst

[hearty thunder]

I say main dps when they are on field to deal dmg, sub if off field

Basically nat for me has no mdps

[spark crystal]

This has reminded me to be VERY specific when I in discussion with someone on this topic tbh

Every character has multi role uses so making sure I use correct terms is important in a game where flexibility is there

[tacit zodiac]

I usually classify main dps as the core of your team, and you build your team around that one unit
like how national is built around pyronadoxiangling, hyper raiden is built around raiden

[acoustic abyss]

yeah agreed with this, though i think the term main dps is not really useful for a lot of the game

chidle's damage is about equal to xiangling's in international

who is the main dps in sukkokomon? or a taser team?

i prefer on field dps and offield dps

it is much more specific. "main dps" is actually a pretty vague term

[tacit zodiac]

and funnily, Shenhe's team is built around her, since to maximize the quills, you will need a lot of cryos

[spark crystal]

[tacit zodiac]

In the end I just like how this game party system and party member interaction works
it really let you express your play style well

[acoustic abyss]

thats a very interesting point actually

i like shenhe a lot in terms of game design

she opens up some really cool comps

same with yunjin

both are great additions to the game

[spark crystal]

It suites me to a T the mechanics they bring to the table.

And I’m really happy that my joke with my friend group ended up being a reality with an atk speed character specifically someone I like

And also being a AA buffer

It feels good.

[acoustic abyss]

Yeah my big things for new units is for them to have interesting and unique mechanics that make new comps

Yunjin and Shenhe are great from that perspective, and Yae looks like she’ll have some nice depth with reactions and managing her cooldowns

Honestly I’ve liked pretty much every single new unit Mihoyo has released, I’m of the opinion all the Inazuma units have been great additions to the game

[spark crystal]

Same here, after being on some hard copium overdose of kokomi damage Isn’t a prime concern for me but rather what does the character bring to the table that actives something already existing and makes it viable and or they do something worth notin and favouring over others

I’m actually content with characters with for example yoimiya damage before yunjin. I just dislike incoherence in kits and characters having identity crisis’s when their role was never intended to say at least to be jack of all trades like other crafted characters were

Is nice to see shenhe push boundaries and yet do it in a balanced way. It’s really moving away from the bennett stuff

And I hope mihoyo makes characters more like this design

[acoustic abyss]

I fully expect for them to follow this design for a while, and I’m happy for it

Not sure why everyone wants power creep so badly, I like using my current units

Just having new five stars be additional options and slight upgrades with way more fun mechanics is fine by me

[tacit zodiac]

I really like how deceptivelly tricky Itto is

to optimise, at least

[acoustic abyss]

AGREED

Whenever people are like “itto is unga bunga and easy to play” i’m like did we even play the same character???

Optimal combos with itto are hard

[jaunty acorn]

More options is always better in my books

[acoustic abyss]

And losing out on the last hit of his CA combo when his burst runs out is awful

I actually think he is one of the harder characters to play well

[tacit zodiac]

the ultimate unga bunga is noelle
shields herself, heals herself, just auto attack, and your burst duration is 100% and hot swappable

[hearty thunder]

I don't like how hitlag greatly affects my gameplay

[jaunty acorn]

I mainly have catalyst users as my carries bc of my dislike of hitlag, but I accept that I play weird

[compact girder]

My mains are polearms and catalyst

[tacit zodiac]

I spam skills and main cryo. Shenhe is a 100% roll

[compact girder]

Namely dps shenhe and kokomi/Ning/yanfei

maybe yae too

[jaunty acorn]

I try and tell people shenhe is a good roll if they want to specialize in cryo

I think chars like her is healthy

I want one for a lot of gameplay styles

Don't forget about us transformative reaction people mihoyo

[hidden eagle]

I really like the direction too

I don’t wan them to just release a bunch of dps characters that want to be on field

I already have more of those than I can use even though they’re built

[acoustic abyss]

bUt KazuHA iS bETteR tHan ShENhe

[jaunty acorn]

Yunjin and Shenhe are some of the most promising chars I've seen

[hidden eagle]

But niche supports that open up new team comps or play styles are a godsend for keeping the game fresh

[jaunty acorn]

oh god tell me about it

bArBaRa CaN cRiT So sHe iS BeTtEr

[tacit zodiac]

just roll both lmao

[hidden eagle]

I use them in the same team

[jaunty acorn]

Been there done that

[jaunty acorn]

Maybe the guy who said that skipped kazuha and is seething in salt

[acoustic abyss]

Exactly, thats the dumbest part, Kazuha and Shenhe want to be used together

You aren’t choosing one or the other

You should basically only pull shenhe if you have kazuha or venti

[tacit zodiac]

grumbles about people skipping on Yae's EM passive

[tacit zodiac]

I even change my Kazuha build into cryozuha with HoD lol

[acoustic abyss]

Thats awesome lol, shenhe is so cool

[hidden eagle]

I kept kazuha on em for the cryo% buff but I am curious about other build possibilities

[tacit zodiac]

getting kazuha and raiden is the best decision I made in this game

[jaunty acorn]

I'm thankful raiden seems to be coming back soon, I skipped her for kokomi thinking they'd rerun raiden first

[tacit zodiac]

Shenhe helps with the dmg% buff with her passive anyway

[jaunty acorn]

No regrets on my end, sukokomon's my kind of shit

[tacit zodiac]

and I'm also really enticed to at least reach C3 Yunjin. I'm at C1+1 now with the free liyue character

[hidden eagle]

I am in the same exact situation as you lol

At 0 pity after getting shenhe and really want to try to get 1 more yunjin

[jaunty acorn]

I can't roll rn bc I'm super close to pity, and I don't have a use for shenhe since I don't have cryo chars built besides rosaria and kaeya

And xiao is not my thing

[hidden eagle]

I’ve never rolled specifically for a 4* though because I know it’s such a gamble

[tacit zodiac]

I keep on getting Ningguang lol

[hidden eagle]

I have Ning and Chong c6 already too

[jaunty acorn]

I did go for Xiangling on itto banner, it was a big success

No barbs to this day

Thank god

[hidden eagle]

I just can’t decide how many rolls I should budget to try to get the yunjin

I guess it’s a question of how many I’d be content with getting a c1 shenhe or a standard 5*

My gf tried to get gorou at the end of itto’s banner in 30 pulls and ended up with c1 itto from that so I’m a little spooked lol

[tacit zodiac]

my friend got C3R1 Itto ez but have to spend money to get C6 Gorou lmao

[hidden eagle]

lmao my god

that is brutal

[tame tree]

tbh, that is more of a consequence of the limited number of quills per person than the actual way Shenhe is buffing people
if the buff was just for a set duration would just build the team like normal, caring only about buffing their Main DPS
this is kinda why I still consider Shenhe and Yunjin buffers at heart
imagine for example if Bennett could buff the characters ATK for like 3k but only for the 10 first hits
ignoring the snapshot mechanic, people would probably build comps more around the limited amount of buffs that Bennett could give

like I said before, I feel that the best way to visualize its like:
Shenhe and Yunjin buff the bullets your shoot
while more traditional buffers buff the gun you are using
the first wants you to have a good gun to maximize their buff
while the second wants you to have big bullets to maximize their buff

[remote nymph]

@compact girder I'm pre-farming for kokomi now

wish me luck

[compact girder]

https://tenor.com/view/kokomi-gif-23191728

[remote nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-kokomi-gif-23146855

kokomi rerun 2.5

real

actually it better be real with that 30% healing bonus buff in floor 11

[tame tree]

pretty sure its real
2.3 abyss had Phys dmg% bonus in floor 11 long time before we knew Eula was getting a rerun

[wanton beacon]

@tardy thunder I switched bennet for xq. 6N2C childe/yunjin/kaz/xq is at 37k DPS and 5N3C childe/yunjin/kaz/xq is at 40k DPS. That's a 6% and 14% DPS increase respectively.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Pwvx5KT5oqJAamxd844pqt4MOfAF_djp_YGfO31WpOE/edit?usp=sharing

[remote nymph]

yup

all but confirmed now

pre-farming time

wait

I just realized this Yunjin thread

sorry for the kokomi spam

maybe i can ask if anyone done Kokomi+Yunjin yet? what's your thoughts

[wanton beacon]

how much dps do kokomi's NAs usually contribute

i know nothing about her

[tardy thunder]

Xinqiu is as actually better?

Childe no longer bennet slave?

Now I wonder how Kokomi would do instead of Xinqiu @wanton beacon hydro resonance to help divine chorus plus double hydro for more energy for her

And she could probably spend a few seconds on field to cover childe downtime

[tame tree]

damn, even accounting for vaped RQ?

[radiant wagon]

idk if kokomis worth tbh. lots of additive buffs, cant use crit for yun, dunno if kokomi's n2w + hydro dmg% makes her worth yunjins buff

[wanton beacon]

yeah, dropping vaped rQ for childe and adding XQ DPS yielded an increase

[wanton beacon]

I don't know how koko works exactly but i'm down to try it out

[tame tree]

sheeesh

now imagine if Hydro Resonance was better

[wanton beacon]

if koko/childe/yunjin is even higher than that then

[wanton beacon]

it'll be buffed in Fontaine

[tardy thunder]

Me either sadly

[tardy thunder]

It might mean that Xinqiu is enough healing for that team tho

Cuz of the 40% increased healing

[wanton beacon]

i'll probably ask pearl or smth

[spark crystal]

Hi kokomi here, basically it does work at pumping out my na’s more but I run into an issue of VV may be better in this slot, no hit lag helps. I usually do 7-9k I get bumped to the 10k+ threshold I can showcase my damage in a bit

[remote nymph]

[spark crystal]

Anyways here's a showcase of my yunjin q with kokomi q

this is without doing shorter animations so you can procs get higher

oh wait this has audio

https://streamable.com/bgokmc

[winter steeple]

Keqings skin

[spark crystal]

whaling crazy

if you yunjin e before Q you'll get the 1-3k more btw

if you have c

c4

[winter steeple]

[hidden eagle]

someone please stop me from rolling past 30 pity to try to snipe one more yunjin for c3

[acoustic abyss]

does this require a high constellation xingqiu to be better than bennet?

[wanton beacon]

I calced a c6 XQ

[acoustic abyss]

okay so considering only a 6-14% increase it is likely even or worse at C0

[wanton beacon]

yep

[sour root]

i agree with this though, when u call them buffers it creates too much room for misunderstandings

sorry wrong reply

[spark crystal]

lol np

[tardy thunder]

https://youtu.be/XORMw3URgto

[tacit zodiac]

that's quite long actually
what's the stat on childe and yj

[hidden eagle]

hm

would YJ make rust better than VH on childe?

[tardy thunder]

Easily

[tardy thunder]

I dunno at what point each rotation is start and end

I just press buttons

If say it end when I was done I childe it like 25s rotation?

ain’t that short for a childe team

[night cliff]

See mine diona summons and you will stop

[hidden eagle]

i decided to do singles to the next 4 star

first one i got jean, the only standard 5* i didn't have

seems like a win

but i probably have to stop now bc i don't want to risk guarantee on c1 shenhe

..i think

[night cliff]

Early

[hidden eagle]

31 pulls for jean + getting guarantee seems good, even if yunjin c3 dodged me

tbh i've never had guarantee that i didn't use on the banner i got it on after losing 50/50, so idk if it'll make me decide not to get kokomi or something lol

[snow basalt]

sorry if its been asked over and over, what's the soft goal and best set for Yunjin?

[tardy thunder]

What’s a soft goal

[snow basalt]

ideal stats for end game Yunjin

[wanton beacon]

Most childe teams have a 24s rotation. So it's about average

[compact karma]

4 husk; personally am aiming for 60/10 Def%/ER% from flower+feather, and triple DEF% pieces with totalled 60% ER substats

[snow basalt]

Got it, tyvm!

[jaunty acorn]

Does Yunjin's buff work with NA dmg bonus modifiers (stuff like Rust)

[tacit zodiac]

yes it does

[high wing]

did yun jin buff change any weapon rankings for yoimiya or does the buff increase all weapons equally? I feel like i heard it somewhere here but I'm not sure

like yun jin buff works better the lower the original multiplier*attack is so I'm wonder if lower attack weapons like slingshot went up

[abstract night]

i recommend going yunjin mains and askind edison yourself but i don't imagine so, seeing as her popular weapons like t pulse and rust give a bunch of dmg% anyway so naturally synergised with yunjin.
maybe slingshot does gain value but equally unless i'm forgetting i can't really think of a relevant bow that doesn't have either dmg% or crit so as mentioned there should be natural synergy with most bows

[high wing]

ah ic, ty!

[compact girder]

i scuffed the rotation but i got 21 yun jin procs in chongyun field, if i played optimally i think 24 is possible

[balmy remnant]

you’ll get more if you just do N4D

[compact girder]

How much more if i can ask

[balmy remnant]

lemme consult frames

[balmy remnant]

5N4D + N4 without atk spd, so 30 hits

[compact girder]

How many seconds is this

[balmy remnant]

12

[compact girder]

Hmm

I only have 10 seconds for shenhe on the field

Because of CY E

[balmy remnant]

then you’ll do 4N4D + N4 which is 25 hits

[compact girder]

Do i hold E shenhe before Yun Jin E Q

[balmy remnant]

stacks will be consumed by her burst, but i don’t think it really matters whether you consume her quills with her burst or autos (in terms of quill damage), but i think you should do shenhe E before yunjin E Q so shenhe gets max yunjin duration

[compact girder]

Right ill go do that

Yeah i did get more yun jin stacks

[balmy remnant]

[compact girder]

But i couldve gotten 25 stacks yes

Ok i fcked the end up because the ruin guard startled me

[compact girder]

I think Xingqiu might work better here no?

Also if replacing hydro with a VV

Then i think we should cy burst at the start

[balmy remnant]

for hydro? i mean, you are AAing so it makes sense

[compact girder]

Yeah

I made a mono cryo ver too

With these gear

Yun Jin- Fav 4pc husk
Shenhe- Lithic 4bs/2bs 2atk
Chongyun- 4NO Sac/Fav
Kazuha- iron sting 4VV

Chong Q > Anemo stuff> Shen hold E Q>Yun jin E Q>ChongE>Shenhe 4N4D 5N4D

Freeze should be Xingqiu EQE > Shen hold E Q>Yun jin E Q> ChongE >Shenhe 4N4D 5N4D

Yun Jin- Fav 4pc husk
Shenhe- Lithic 4bs/2bs 2atk
Chongyun- 2NO 2Cryo Sac/Fav
Xingqiu- Sac 4NO

[tardy thunder]

@wanton beacon did you see this https://youtu.be/fHGHEftq-Vg

[compact girder]

#・tc-lounge message

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/930212372453421056/RPReplay_Final1641850203.mov

Smh

[tardy thunder]

Does this mean 4 blizzard Shenhe with Yunjin chongyun Xinqiu/Koko is good?

No room for anemo tho unless you replace freeze with Jean/Sayu/prototype sucrose

Or could use diano for healer slot since Shenhe make her a sub dps

[compact girder]

Id say Xingqiu>koko

[compact girder]

Yun Jin- Fav 4pc husk
Shenhe- Lithic 4bs/2bs 2atk
Chongyun- 2NO 2Cryo Sac/Fav
Xingqiu- Sac 4NO