what are some good yoimiya comps with yunjin? is going full rainbow worth losing pyro/geo res + zhongli shield?
#Yunjin Thread
thin sage
compact girder
what are some good yoimiya comps with yunjin? is going full rainbow worth losing...
No
thin sage
so... yoimiya/bennett/zhongli/yunjin? 
or yoimiya/zhongli/yunjin/xingqiu or kazu
or do you keep bennett
night cliff
I think the highest dmg comp noir has calculated is yoi yunjin xingqiu kazu but it is probably not practical
thin sage
good to know, thank you 
night cliff
You should ask him instead if he has time 
or atilla
tardy thunder
have you calculated the dmg output of other yoimiya comps too?
You mean non YunJin ones?
thin sage
You mean non YunJin ones?
yunjin ones compared to non-yunjin ones, preferably
tardy thunder
yunjin ones compared to non-yunjin ones, preferably
@winter steeple has
lofty karma
you need 2 electro auras to keep up with yoi
tardy thunder
you need 2 electro auras to keep up with yoi
she'd only need to trigger OL 3 times to get it to a 15s rotation tho
also, finally sheeted Vape YoiJin with Zhong instead of kazuha
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1awGdP58735c2EgKKPJ_OUKfgo2emJNxY2mTMpZ6NTRU/edit?usp=sharing
couldnt be assed to do the full team damage yet 
so its just Yoi
i think pp is easily superiror if we dont need a shield for it
lofty karma
the problem is her pyro app is so good she will be aura with just one of beidou or fischl
lofty karma
yeah
tardy thunder
welp, pp it is then i guess
think i might have done something wrong somewhere in this vape sheet tho
cuz its not just less than i had with kazuha in place of zhongli
its significantly less
i had her at 976k with yoi kazuha xinqiu yun jin
somehow now only 487k with zhong instead of kazuha
that big of a drop cant be right...can it?
need someone to check my sheet for mistakes
mental ingot
Where's Yoi's E?
crystal flame
Oh, the layout changed that scared me
tardy thunder
Where's Yoi's E?
mental ingot
tardy thunder
this type of layout is so much more confusing than just monke manually counting everything
mental ingot
Shouldn't damage bonus be multiplying B41 instead of B25?
tardy thunder
lemme see
grizzled schooner
Would a r3dm def/geo/def be usable? Supposed to be a buffer and sub-dps for her e
tardy thunder
Shouldn't damage bonus be multiplying B41 instead of B25?
you are correct
tardy thunder
Would a r3dm def/geo/def be usable? Supposed to be a buffer and sub-dps for her ...
just go triple defense
crystal flame
Would a r3dm def/geo/def be usable? Supposed to be a buffer and sub-dps for her ...
You probably don't subdps with Yun Jin ever, you mostly go full def
and if you want to be fancy and use her on field you go a standard build (but you won't stay like that for long)
grizzled schooner
just go triple defense
Ight, was just curious if it works
tardy thunder
Shouldn't damage bonus be multiplying B41 instead of B25?
fixed that still only getting 546k
mental ingot
That's just Yoi solo DPR.
crystal flame
1553 ATK is really low, let me look at that
grizzled schooner
You probably don't subdps with Yun Jin ever, you mostly go full def
and if you ...
I see
tardy thunder
That's just Yoi solo DPR.
yes but in my previous calcs i had signifcantly more than that
mental ingot
Where's sands main stat?
tardy thunder
Where's sands main stat?
EM
mental ingot
EM sands. 
crystal flame
Oh it's on EM
mental ingot
Try ATK mainstat instead.
tardy thunder
i used em mainstat before with the kazuha instead of zhong tho
crystal flame
Have you tried with ATK? for like Melt Ganyu or Hu Tao where 80-90% are going to be vaped is probably good with EM but not sure here
I can just make a copy and yoink
tardy thunder
and had over 900k
im trying to figure out how it dropped off this bad
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OgUhPXlqOBmLRUMqUlDHQBAoFtJhMGa6AFEc4BF56es/edit?usp=sharing this is what i had her for vape team with kazuha instead of zhongli
mental ingot
Different format. 
tardy thunder
thats my usual format
but i got chewed out over it
so i change format
either im doing something wrong with my new format or i did something wrong in the old format i think
crystal flame
What's the Yun Jin column after Attack, doesn't have same value for each NA
tardy thunder
What's the Yun Jin column after Attack, doesn't have same value for each NA
+2063 to the value from the previous column
crystal flame
oh it's additive or going through operation from left to right
tardy thunder
wym
i calced it as Yoi MV times Yoi E multiplier times attack plus YunJin Q times dmg bonus times vape multiplier when applicable times enemy res times enemy defense times crit damage times crit rate
crystal flame
I meant how it's layed out like your previous one each column takes the previous and does what it does to it
tardy thunder
i dont understand
tardy thunder
it should be
crystal flame
The N1 vape you had ~26900
And here you have ~22700
Yun Jin Q included I think
mental ingot
Why is the CV mult so much higher in the Kazu team?
tardy thunder
does kazuha actually just make this big a difference?
tardy thunder
Why is the CV mult so much higher in the Kazu team?
because i calced average at once instead of doing times crit damage then times crit rate
crystal flame
SO you shouldn't have that much of a gap between just Yoi + YJ damage,
Did you count YJ Q damage twice in the previous sheet?
tardy thunder
no
crystal flame
Kazuha should be no more than 20%, and in just comparing your N1 vape you have 18% so it's in the adding all up that somehting is wrong somehwere, I think, maybe
tardy thunder
😕 this is confoosing
mental ingot
No, I mean your CDMG is 195.4% in Kazu team but only 141% in ZL team.
tardy thunder
No, I mean your CDMG is 195.4% in Kazu team but only 141% in ZL team.
OHHHH
I FORGOT HER FUCKING 50 BASE CDMG LOL
mental ingot
crystal flame
mental ingot
+15% DMG and -20% shred vs +31.8% DMG and -40% shred? Yes.
crystal flame
900+k yoi + YJ in the other one
tardy thunder
yeah the other one was 915k this one has 674k
mental ingot
Shred difference alone is a +12.5% total mod.
tardy thunder
idk if kazuha make that big a difference or not
mental ingot
Brings 674 to 758.
crystal flame
The shred is halved under 0 res, 10 res should be taken as base
crystal flame
it shouldn't be that big, I think it should be not too far from 20%
tardy thunder
Res mod for ZL should be 1.05, not 1.025.
oh
ok now i have it at 690k
also had lvl 90 enemy instead of lvl 100 in the kazuha version - with those two things fixed the gap is now 894k to 690k
that seems more reasonable i think?
tardy thunder
i should prob put the kazuha version in this format as well for easier comparison huh
crystal flame
~23% less damage on just Yoi+YJ then
tardy thunder
i think that should be correct
1.05 res mod to 1.15 res mod is a 10% dps increase
and then there's also the 31.76% dmg bonus from kazuha buff
crystal flame
How much EM had Kazuha approximately?
tardy thunder
794
crystal flame
yeah that and the broken VV
tardy thunder
😕 my numbers for PP in my new format dont look right either
crystal flame
Oh and you have 50 less ATK on yoimiya between both sheets
mental ingot
1.05 -> 1.15 is a 9.52% damage increase. 
tardy thunder
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1piEWat4UhgyfLmRewWr4Fn4xG3XPGjMNTCEmInfExVA/edit?usp=sharing can help me check this one too?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gSYhyqGHKndR-jiEPsQXWiweYUm9U8GnJO3tcbKwSZk/edit?usp=sharing here the original
crystal flame
In the new one you didn't use Q right? on this one you did but on the Kazuha, did you?
tardy thunder
oh yeah i forgot to do her Q in the PP new format one
hmm i also used different attack chain previously
mental ingot
Yoi Q damage contribution. 
crystal flame
With shime have to to it right off the bat and pray that in practice XQ + YJ generate her 15 Energy
yeah but in Kazuha team you have to use for the VV most often if no bennett
tardy thunder
With shime have to to it right off the bat and pray that in practice XQ + YJ gen...
or might have to use CW instead depending on how it play out
oh i forgot bennet c6 in the new formatted one for pp
crystal flame
yeah no obvious error in the PP one but it's hard to read
Your CDMG is maybe wrong in your new model of PP B22 doesn't it have a +1 too much in it?
oh you are showing the real CDMG and not the one on the character stats screen
tardy thunder
oh you are showing the real CDMG and not the one on the character stats screen
yeah showing what the multiplier in the dmg formula is
cuz having it displayed as percent kept giving me errors in dmg formula
i think problem was the two sheets being on different attack chains and new one not counting Q
actually i didnt count Q in the vape one either
need to go back and add that
crystal flame
What I meant is in game it'll show 191%CD and not 291%(2.91 for you) but that's the what you use for the crit calc below after but taht's readable somewhat
tardy thunder
What I meant is in game it'll show 191%CD and not 291%(2.91 for you) but that's ...
ya 191% increase is equal to 2.91
i think i've fully fixed the PP one
it have 758k damage now
now just gotta add Q to the vape one
wait no this isnt right
didnt count all 4 Q procs
crystal flame
link it again plz, I had 209738127 sheets open
mental ingot
tardy thunder
link it again plz, I had 209738127 sheets open
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1piEWat4UhgyfLmRewWr4Fn4xG3XPGjMNTCEmInfExVA/edit?usp=sharing
its still lower than what i have on the other sheet
idk whats still wrong
crystal flame
What's the 72830.54613? the added MV + YJ buff of the whole NA string?
on the original PP
tardy thunder
not sure what you're reffering to
mental ingot
ATK sands.
crystal flame
G9 on Yoi+Yun dmg tab
tardy thunder
G9 on Yoi+Yun dmg tab
G9 is damage after defense mod applied
mental ingot
w/ Bennett buff, EM sands may be better.
crystal flame
its still lower than what i have on the other sheet <:A_smolhutao:79508193398069...
Yu have 2 ER sub on one and 2 EM but that doesn't change damage
tardy thunder
oh yeah havent changed those EM subs over to ER yet
crystal flame
You have 3.14 DMG% final in the new one and 3.5261 in the old
crystal flame
that looks like too much
I'm at 2,74 from the stats on your old one, does TP has some?
tardy thunder
I'm at 2,74 from the stats on your old one, does TP has some?
40% NA dmg
crystal flame
3.14 then I'm at that
tardy thunder
50(SR) 46.6 (goblet) 40(TP) 15.7 (Yoi passive) 15 (YunJin c2) 15 (Bennet c6) 31.766 (Kazuha)
did i miss anything?
feel like i did
crystal flame
Think that's it, did you include Yoimiya E multiplier in that in the old one?
tardy thunder
Think that's it, did you include Yoimiya E multiplier in that in the old one?
her E isnt dmg bonus
tardy thunder
but I don't see how you'd get to 3.5+
i think i probably forgot to change the damage bonus from what it was with r5 rust
crystal flame
or you 1st counted Rust R5 and gorget to change
crystal flame
the sussy 40%
crystal flame
Wait there is something about with 6 with bennett buff and 3 without, you didn't transcribe that in the new yet it seems?
N2
tardy thunder
Wait there is something about with 6 with bennett buff and 3 without, you didn't...
oh looks like i have 100% bennet uptime in new sheet
crystal flame
yeah
tardy thunder
...but...thats gonna make the gap even bigger between the two
so now im even more confused
crystal flame
Damn just the fucking Q YJ buff does 17k with a crit on Yoimiya?
oh before mitigation
mental ingot
Why does Q cast use B29 but Q procs use D43? For damage mod.
tardy thunder
Why does Q cast use B29 but Q procs use D43? For damage mod.
They have different damage bonuses due to where it’s used In The rotation
night cliff
Noir seems like the more you calc yoi jin, the more the DPS is dropping 
crystal flame
20% (NO)
25% (Resonance)
1054 (bennet)
in the old sheet, your bennett gives 1054 AND NO in addition?
you have 3628 ATK VS 3,460.39 it seems like
crystal flame
you put it in it seems, there is not details on the old one for stats so I don't know if and where it doesn't match
You have 2CR, 4CD, ~200 ATK more it seems on the old one
should cover the difference
tardy thunder
i am confoose
when i count it manually the atk i have in old sheet seems to be the correct one
but i cant figure out where i messed up on new one to where the atk isnt the same
oh i figured it out
wasnt counting SR 2 piece
ok i see the biggest problem
is with the dmg bonus is way too low
i think
idk
lemme see
nvm that wasnt it
crystal flame
LOL Ayaka burst is so ridiculous
in Shenhe calcs, Ganyu does 320k with 2 CA in a rotations and if all Ayaka burst hit with just E and burst ayaka does 500k
tardy thunder
in Shenhe calcs, Ganyu does 320k with 2 CA in a rotations and if all Ayaka burst...
just fixed the bennet uptime - now have 755k vs 830k in the old
crystal flame
your old PP is cursed
tardy thunder
😕
found the cv was a bit too high in the old one...fixed...still a lot higher
816k vs 755k
crystal flame
You are not going to get back to what you had, your stats changed so good luck with that
crystal flame
You have 2CR, 4CD, ~200 ATK more it seems on the old one
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tardy thunder
You are not going to get back to what you had, your stats changed so good luck w...
I fixed the cdmg, the CR was inflated too? Lemme check that
The attack on the new one has also been increased to same as old
Yeah CR was a bit too low on new one
Fixed
But there’s still gap
winter steeple
thin sage
<@255935504606822400> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AEFwLH-jVL4cyvx4jX...
thank you! :
thin sage
<@255935504606822400> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AEFwLH-jVL4cyvx4jX...
how do these numbers compared to teams with yunjin in them?
winter steeple
how do these numbers compared to teams with yunjin in them?
Just compare the team dps with Noir’s sheets
tardy thunder
hazy ocean
does yunjin have dps potential with her skill?
sand sluice
yes, but not in the way your think
compact girder
does yunjin have dps potential with her skill?
You can reach like 120k~ counter damage i guess
hazy ocean
im considering building her as a sub dps to yoimiya
tardy thunder
Have you calced Yoi Yun XQ and ZL
Yes
leaden topaz
May I see 🧍🏾♂️
tardy thunder
May I see 🧍🏾♂️
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1awGdP58735c2EgKKPJ_OUKfgo2emJNxY2mTMpZ6NTRU/edit haven’t added her Q in yet
leaden topaz
Not that bad tbh
tardy thunder
It’ll be higher when I add Q in
hazy ocean
is yoi ganyu and yunjin a good team?
vivid obsidian
It’ll be higher when I add Q in
I'm curious what the comp DPS would be, considering only XQ will contribute meaningful DPS beyond Yoi's personal damage
tardy thunder
I'm curious what the comp DPS would be, considering only XQ will contribute mean...
He does contribute a lot tho
slim cloak
has there been any calc or tc on yunjin noelle + 2 off fielder?
like maybe noelle yunjin fischl xingqiu
timid portal
acoustic abyss
Yeah shame yunjins parry will be a fair bit weaker
Its one of the most fun parts of beidou
But going for sub dps yunjin seems to compromise her kit too much
compact girder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762088864482590770/926102709948542996/Ful...
No fucking way Beidou E does that much unbuffed lol
Also where is that video from
tacit zodiac
warm trout
Are there any sheets or estimates for either physchl/yun jin or qiqi/yun jin? 
compact girder
seems like private server video
Damage doesnt work correctly in a recompiled beta client
Yeah so its fake
Theres no way beidou does that much unbuffed anyways
tacit zodiac
it's good to see the animation I guess
compact girder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762088864482590770/926102709948542996/Ful...
This isnt real
tacit zodiac
what most people want is to see the animation lul
timid portal
No fucking way Beidou E does that much unbuffed lol
its just an animation comparison isnt it
compact girder
It is
compact girder
They seem to have the same animation anyways
viral lotus
No fucking way Beidou E does that much unbuffed lol
its clearly run in a private server lol, don't pay attention to the numbers
it's for animation comparisons
mb for not being clear on that tho 
viral lotus
Yeah shame yunjins parry will be a fair bit weaker
don't pay attention to the numbers 💀
acoustic abyss
i dont necessarily mean the gif
her parry WILL be weaker
just from lower scaling and not wanting to build crit
viral lotus
for sure
the MVs on beidou vs yunjin, and the availability of atk sources vs def sources puts yunjin's counter damage at a disadvantage
the difference won't be as silly as the one in the video of course, but there will be a big difference
compact girder
Napkin math tells me yun jin can reach 120k parry
T8 mona + c6 gorou
I havent accounted for geo res or zhong res shred yet
acoustic abyss
i'm more curious as to what she'll do with a parry on a normal build with triple defense
compact girder
Id say 30k with gorou in the team
crystal flame
Napkin math tells me yun jin can reach 120k parry
That sounds wrong or like R5 or some weird setup
compact girder
Assuming it crits
compact girder
That sounds wrong or like R5 or some weird setup
Mona Q gorou C6
crystal flame
or just all in CD and no CR?
viral lotus
yea, so it can go even higher with either zhong or c2 klee 
viral lotus
Idk what i used for the weapon tbh
to reach a 60/200, you'd probably need a crit wepaon
compact girder
I think i used DM
Anyways i think subdps yun jin is only ever worth with zhong gorou
viral lotus
Beidou simply has better ways to earn buffs to hyper boost her E damage, but yunjin's counter damage isn't terrible for a geo character 
.
[but doing that much damage only every 9 sec is ]
viral lotus
const?
right right
i keep forgetting that one because it doesn't help the usual way you'd use yunjin 
viral lotus
oh btw, did we reach a consensus on what'd be the best self driving yunjin team?
compact girder
I dont think so
viral lotus
I really want that comp to work
wasting yunjin on off-field support when she looks so nice with amazing animations makes me sad
viral lotus
yea i saw the numbers, someone mentioned on c6 that she can basically throw like 40 normal hits in her burst window
compact girder
I think its 42
viral lotus
ye that ^
crystal flame
If the Pike Yun Jin sheet shows anything it's that YJ won't cut it for abyss
You probably can use her fine in overworld and have fun
gray bison
If the Pike Yun Jin sheet shows anything it's that YJ won't cut it for abyss
You...
Yunjin herself won't make it
She's the support
And we don't have a good normal attack carry
crystal flame
She's the support
He wants to play her on field
gray bison
Ah ok
Still, I don't think we have a good enough normal attack carry atm
We can have a good yunjin team, but not a top tier one
She's like a shenhe
But we don't have a Ganyu or Ayaka
Yoimiya is fine but still single target. Crescent Pyke users are basically single target and aren't that great
Ning and Noelle are fine but also aren't very on the dps scale themselves
We need a carry on the level of Ayaka/ht/ganyu/itto/eula/Xiao, etc that's based on normal attacks to make a great team
crystal flame
Hum Noelle is pretty insane with high investments now and with Yun Jin coming
gray bison
Instead of taking someone who's below them, like Yoimiya/NA Xiao/Zhongli and put them on the level of Xiao
To me Noelle sounds like the best option for yunjin, but you're gonna have shield breaking issues
Noelle Gorou yunjin albedo
You don't have much flexibility on the comp
crystal flame
Like Xiao is good with the existing support but Noelle C6 is probably ahead or at his level now with high investments and the right support
gray bison
Like Xiao is good with the existing support but Noelle C6 is probably ahead or a...
Yeah I agree
crystal flame
yeah it's not going to be the team for heralds for sure but for anything else they just cleave through
gray bison
Maybe
The issue with the team is energy
0 energy from Noelle, 2 from Gorou, rng from albedo
crystal flame
Gorou Favonius funneling to noelle every 10 sec handles it easily
you can switch out and back on Noelle without losing anything but a few seconds
gray bison
If you have Albedo sure
Without albedo it's not enough
I run Noelle Geo mc, and mc creates 4 particles, and I need to funnel at least 2 Es to feed noelle
The thing is, the comp is already set on Noelle Gorou Albedo flex
You're taking the flex slot, where you'd add a shield breaker, to add yunjin for dps
It's likely competitive but not flexible at all imo
But yeah I think that comp will surpass Xiaos comps
crystal flame
I have a 4 husk Albedo yes
compact girder
Wait what happened to ning
tawdry lava
But yeah I think that comp will surpass Xiaos comps
i wouldnt be so sure, nobody has sheeted yunjin noelle but since noelle doesnt really get a lot of dmg bonuses the yunjin buff could be not as good as it is with other chars. she will be an upgrade, im just unsure on how much of an upgrade
modern blaze
noelle should have ~100% dmg% from geo goblet, gorou, geo resonance and 4p husk
add 30-50% more if you have SS
compact girder
How much does ning have
modern blaze
i dunno but ning should be able to use 4p SR easily with all the energy she can generate
that's a lot of dmg%
compact girder
20% Spearl + 24.4% + shime 50% +46.6% goblet
44.4 + 46.6= 100%
150% NA bonus
151%
This is w/o gorou bonus
And w/o geo reso bonus
acoustic abyss
oh damn i hadn't considered SR ninnguang
modern blaze
not sure if ning wants gorou
she would probably be better with ZL
acoustic abyss
not having to farm the bolide domain is pretty appealing...
compact girder
not sure if ning wants gorou
she would probably be better with ZL
40% cdmg, buffs yun jin too
modern blaze
afaik yunjin doesn't snapshot
her burst says it uses current def
compact girder
And the geo dmg buff iirc
compact girder
afaik yunjin doesn't snapshot
her burst says it uses **current** def
Ik
Gorou A1
Isnt it whole party
modern blaze
but tbh if you have c6 gorou i guess you can just go for it in ~120 wishes i only got c1
compact girder
Hmm fair
modern blaze
so i don't really consider c6 gorou realistic in non-whale scenarios
compact girder
But yah dongli seems to be better outside gorou
Would this be dongli burst build?
modern blaze
ofc
compact girder
Since bouken is there
Im wondering if we can kick bouken out
For a ToM fishl
Since ning is an amazing fischl proc powerhouse
modern blaze
geo in general is good with her
compact girder
Ning always procs fishl a4
modern blaze
afaik ning wants short burst CD supports
for short rotations
you can even go for a microwave setup with geo MC but it would be kinda awkward trying to fit a screen inside the microwave
tidal storm
is it recommended to go triple DEF% for support yunjin?
compact girder
Yes
compact girder
afaik ning wants short burst CD supports
Is yun jin not that
modern blaze
she is, yes
but for the last unit i mean
modern blaze
xinyan 
hazy ocean
is yunjin even somewhat viable with hu tao?
gray bison
i dunno but ning should be able to use 4p SR easily with all the energy she can ...
And sacrifice her burst combo, which is half her dmg?
compact girder
And sacrifice her burst combo, which is half her dmg?
You still burst lol
Keep in mind we’re playing her as a carry here
E> 5NNC > Q > E CA
hazy ocean
whats that
compact girder
2 normal attack Charged attack
gray bison
E> 5NNC > Q > E CA
You're wasting like 7 secs of Q here
compact girder
You're wasting like 7 secs of Q here
Wdym
twilit coral
What yunjin team comp is best with yoi
fallen crystal
Against who?
gray bison
How do i waste seconds of Q
Cause your Q is up at a start of a fight and you're not using it...
compact girder
Cause your Q is up at a start of a fight and you're not using it...
Ning is using shimenawa here so i dont think she can E Q directly
gray bison
Ning is using shimenawa here so i dont think she can E Q directly
Exactly
compact girder
Exactly what
gray bison
You're losing dmg on her burst to increase the dmg on her autos
That's what I said
Lol
gray bison
....
compact girder
We arent ommiting her burst
gray bison
If you burst twice after 12 seconds you deal more burst dmg than if you burst once after 12 seconds
acoustic abyss
i think the idea is 4 piece shimenawa ninnguang no bueno lol
gray bison
i think the idea is 4 piece shimenawa ninnguang no bueno lol
Someone who understands
Thanks
compact girder
Idk i havent seen any ning sheets anywhere
acoustic abyss
noooo dont
compact girder
I didn’t mean to misunderstand it
gray bison
Nah no worries
acoustic abyss
it was very entertaining
compact girder
Yeah but it’s embarrassing
acoustic abyss
just a misunderstanding is all
compact girder
Sorry
acoustic abyss
you're good for real lol
i hope we get a good 4 piece for non defense geo main dps and electro
ninnguang is strong already, with a 4 piece she can fully utilize she'll be so good
which should make yunjin better as well
compact girder
Still id want some calcs
To compare Yungguang to other teams
Since yun adds like 211k dpr to 4shime ning
I havent seen any ning calcs at all tbh
gray bison
My point was that Ning is strong, yes. But she's strong because of her burst
compact girder
gray bison
IIRC Close to half of Nings dmg at c6 is her EQECA
Having a char buffing Nings autos isn't what she wants
That's what Noelle wants
compact girder
IIRC Close to half of Nings dmg at c6 is her EQECA
And how much damage is that
gray bison
So Yunjin should be a better pair for Noelle than for Ning
compact girder
Im at a dillema again i really do not want yun jin to be useless to my account
I dont wanna be forced to build a c3 noelle just so i can use her
acoustic abyss
yunjin doesn't care about how much if a character's damage is in their charged attacks, normals, or burst
she only cares that you use normals
compact girder
So uh ning calcs where
acoustic abyss
and ninnguang does
wheat valley
My point was that Ning is strong, yes. But she's strong because of her burst
This was before Yunjin though
gray bison
She deals a lot of damage in 5 secs with her EQECA
wheat valley
You need to compare a rotation without Yunjin and one that accounts for Yunjin.
gray bison
You spend 3 or 4 secs around the supports
wheat valley
You're kinda missing the point here
gray bison
And you have few secs to actually auto with Ning
compact girder
But she doesn't want to use normals that much
As a carry?
gray bison
As a carry?
Yes
wheat valley
Different playstyles. Different rotations.
acoustic abyss
you can shift the team to accomdate Yunjin's presence
gray bison
Different playstyles. Different rotations.
But she's not built for that playstyle
Her normals aren't that strong
acoustic abyss
a more selfish ninnguang comp
wheat valley
But she's not built for that playstyle
Depends
compact girder
Only the dmg bonus% matters for ning
wheat valley
Her normals aren't that strong
Because they use her low base atk and has low MVs. Yunjin fixes that.
acoustic abyss
Qiqi's autos aren't great
gray bison
it doesn't matter how strong her normals are
It absolutely does lol
acoustic abyss
but she works well for beidou just because she can get a lot of discharges out
gray bison
but she works well for beidou just because she can get a lot of discharges out
That's why sucrose is better
acoustic abyss
It absolutely does lol
i mean it doesn't matter what their scaling is
wheat valley
Is this hot take hour
acoustic abyss
but i see your point
compact girder
Do people know about the N1 bug
acoustic abyss
i agree that ninnguang is not built to be a normal attacker compared to someone like Yoimya
acoustic abyss
but I think she has potential with her high rate of proccing Yunjin's stacks
compact girder
but I think she has potential with her high rate of proccing Yunjin's stacks
24 stacks seem good to me
acoustic abyss
since while she doesn't do a lot of damage with autos she does use them
compact girder
Noir’s yungguang calcs have 800k dpr so im wondering how much the other teams do
acoustic abyss
4 small AoE autos per CA is a good ratio
gray bison
since while she doesn't do a lot of damage with autos she does use them
Yeah, but it's like, you fit in 6 autos in a regular rotation, maybe 8
If you start doing 15, you lose dmg elsewhere
gray bison
If you're gonna lose damage, why not play someone who actually wants to auto attack and deals more dmg with them?
gray bison
How do you know you lose more damage by doing NAs
I'm not saying you're gonna do less dmg total, I'm saying you're sacrificing dmg elsewhere
wheat valley
This is a pointless argument
gray bison
...............
wheat valley
Honestly
acoustic abyss
i dont think because you are using yunjin you should just sit and auto with her until you run out of stacks
gray bison
i dont think because you are using yunjin you should just sit and auto with her ...
That's what they want to do
acoustic abyss
like you don't stay on childe for xiangling's full burst
acoustic abyss
well thats not a problem of the viablity of yunjin-ninnguang that is a problem with the user
compact girder
If you're gonna lose damage, why not play someone who actually wants to auto att...
I mean…do you have ning dps calcs if i can ask
gray bison
Why ever use any lower-tiered unit at all
Why do people use Sucrose as a Fischl Beidou XQ driver instead of Kazuha if he's a higher tier?
........
compact girder
Because you claim you lose dmg but like… i wanna see if you actually do
compact girder
Yun jin makes ning’s NAs deal the same dpr as her CAs
wheat valley
Why do people use Sucrose as a Fischl Beidou XQ driver instead of Kazuha if he's...
Because Kazuha is rarer.
gray bison
Because Kazuha is rarer.
Lol, if that's what you believe, go for it
compact girder
Noir did 2 teams
acoustic abyss
if we also have a xingqiu we lose less damage on each auto for example
compact girder
Ning Yun Jin gorou bennett
This team used shime
compact girder
Ning Yun Jin zhongli bennett
This with bolide
acoustic abyss
well in those teams there isn't much better to do than auto no?
compact girder
well in those teams there isn't much better to do than auto no?
NNC
acoustic abyss
so i don't see why it would be a problem to spam them
compact girder
You still play ning as a standard carry
acoustic abyss
sorry i mean there isn't much better to do than stay on ninnguang
compact girder
But you dont NA spam
compact girder
sorry i mean there isn't much better to do than stay on ninnguang
Yeah
acoustic abyss
like you don't need to urgently swap off of her before yunjin's burst runs out
compact girder
Its a hypercarry ning team
acoustic abyss
but I do see @gray bison's point that she has less room in her rotation for autos than some other units
EQECA takes a good chunk of time
maybe you use it as a finisher after yunjin's burst ends
gray bison
They don't want to EQECA
wheat valley
Or you can delay ult to after Yunjin's burst runs out.
gray bison
They'd rather NA than* do the burst
acoustic abyss
so its an issue of missing out on yunijn stacks or possibly extending the rotation time
seems like it comes down to the actual calcs then
acoustic abyss
This team used shime
so noir sees potential in shime Ninnguang?
the DMG% bonus is very appealing for yunjin
acoustic abyss
They'd rather NA than* do the burst
yunjin could shift ninnguang's focus to autos, making her normal burst reliant dps less significant
wheat valley
I'm more interested in Thundersoother or Lavawalker
acoustic abyss
EQECA is a big chunk of her damage without yunjin
but yunjin obviously shifts her focus, its down to the numbers if its worth it or not
acoustic abyss
I'm more interested in Thundersoother or Lavawalker
thats the kind of copium that tells us we need a 4 piece geo set
wheat valley
thats the kind of copium that tells us we need a 4 piece geo set
Mihoyo: Take 4pc Husk 24% or starve
acoustic abyss
electro, anemo, and non-def scaling geo units left to starve
compact girder
yunjin could shift ninnguang's focus to autos, making her normal burst reliant d...
Iirc NA CA and Q have the same damage spread now
acoustic abyss
also you can kind of look at Gorou as also getting his damage out in Ninnguang's autos
since he buffs yunjin the most
gray bison
Iirc NA CA and Q have the same damage spread now
So you're replacing her CA and Q with autos that deal as much damage as her CA and Q, while sacrificing the artifact set and a support slot
acoustic abyss
so now its two supports who get a lot of their value from your autos
compact girder
So you're replacing her CA and Q with autos that deal as much damage as her CA a...
Huh
tardy thunder
What happen
compact girder
I wasnt replacing CA
tardy thunder
So you're replacing her CA and Q with autos that deal as much damage as her CA a...
No you aren’t
tardy thunder
Why would you replace her CA
compact girder
Ning still uses Q
tardy thunder
Ning has to NA before she CAs
acoustic abyss
What happen
yunjin happen,,,,
tardy thunder
To get her jades
And her Q is on a 12s CD it’s off CD right about when YunJin Q ends
There is no interference
tardy thunder
Ning/Yun Jin/Xinyan
Tell me more
acoustic abyss
And her Q is on a 12s CD it’s off CD right about when YunJin Q ends
do you Q at the start of the rotation?
compact girder
Tell me more
Idk who at 4th slot
Maybe bennett
But xinyan could maybe act as a shielder/subdps
tardy thunder
do you Q at the start of the rotation?
You possibly could and get 2 Q per rotation actually
compact girder
You possibly could and get 2 Q per rotation actually
This requires not using 4SR
tardy thunder
This requires not using 4SR
That it does
acoustic abyss
You possibly could and get 2 Q per rotation actually
yeah cause her Q would be off cooldown a good bit before Yunjin's Q ends since you have to rotate through supports
compact girder
Ning Yunjin Fischl Zhongli when
I was thinking this yes, and do 4ToM fischl
tardy thunder
But if we use 4 Husk she will be able to use weaker shields like Xinyan’s
If you wanna go for Xinyan
compact girder
Ugh a wgs bow would be so good
wheat valley
But if we use 4 Husk she will be able to use weaker shields like Xinyan’s
Or Crystallize
compact girder
But if we use 4 Husk she will be able to use weaker shields like Xinyan’s
Interesting
wheat valley
tardy thunder
Or Crystallize
Or that
wheat valley
Maybe with enough DR
tardy thunder
I think Ning Yunjin Bennet Venti might be really good
Or Ning YunJin Fischl Bennet
tardy thunder
Hmm 25 seconds rotations? 60 second rotations? 30?
Where’s that come from
wheat valley
Nothing nvm
acoustic abyss
I think Ning Yunjin Bennet Venti might be really good
AoE on ninnguang's autos,,,,,
does her Burst have any AoE?
wheat valley
C1 but you burn too fast
acoustic abyss
or is it yoimiya ST
gray bison
No
wheat valley
Lemme check TCL
acoustic abyss
ST as in it literally is only able to land on one target even if they are very close?
gray bison
E is AoE for that matter
acoustic abyss
not ST like Hu Tao
sour root
How many NA does ning typically do though? She has a low cd burst and u wanna use CA right?
gray bison
ST as in it literally is only able to land on one target even if they are very c...
Yes
wheat valley
TCL doesn't have anything
gray bison
How many NA does ning typically do though? She has a low cd burst and u wanna us...
6, maybe 8
tardy thunder
If you have a level 90 Xinyan and t12 E her shield should be about 5410 hp before geo resonance is accounted for
Might that be enough if Ning also had husk?
sour root
6, maybe 8
I wonder if its enough addnt damage to skip the CA
wheat valley
Noir here's the thing
Ningguang kinda has shitty base DEF
Like,
One of the lowest
tardy thunder
How many NA does ning typically do though? She has a low cd burst and u wanna us...
She can do enough to get 30 YunJin stacks if she hits AoE like 2 or 3 times iirc
sour root
Interesting
wheat valley
N3C though
compact girder
Assuming all ST ning uses 24 stacks
gray bison
I wonder if its enough addnt damage to skip the CA
50% MV vs 590% MV for NA vs 3 jades CA
Kinda tough
compact girder
N3C though
Oddly enough N3C was also 24 stacks but with less CAs
sour root
Memory of dust ning then with like a shime or 2pc2pc archaic?
Is that the thought process?
wheat valley
50% MV vs 590% MV for NA vs 3 jades CA
This is majorly downplaying NA damage when considering Yunjin tbh
compact girder
Memory of dust ning then with like a shime or 2pc2pc archaic?
Nah we going solar pearl
wheat valley
Solar Pearl or Hakushin
sour root
Oh solar pearl. I got that
wheat valley
Or Mappa for the ones in poverty
compact girder
Ning gets around 110% dmg bonus from her kit + solar pearl
night cliff
50% MV vs 590% MV for NA vs 3 jades CA
You cant look only at MV since they arent that important when you factor in yunjin buff, bonus dmg crit dmg and such play a more important role
gray bison
You cant look only at MV since they arent that important when you factor in yun...
Charged attacks also get bonus dmg and crit dmg
Yunjin buff is the only difference
gray bison
Charged attacks also get Shime 4 piece
gray bison
Also it's 50x2
True
tardy thunder
If you think it will be enough shield strength to keep shield you for geo resonance between Xinyan and consistent crystallize you could do Ning Yunjin bennet xinyan but I think fischl better
gray bison
100 vs 590
tardy thunder
I think honestly we should try and not use SR so we can Q at both start and end of rotation
Does that work
sour root
Can yunjin and ning get enough energy to run shimewana without malding?
tardy thunder
Can yunjin and ning get enough energy to run shimewana without malding?
Ning mains thinks not
Someone shared my calcs there
acoustic abyss
I think honestly we should try and not use SR so we can Q at both start and end ...
its a lot of "not proccing yunijn stacks" time
tardy thunder
And they didn’t think it was practical
night cliff
Yunjin buff is the only difference
Need calc to see which route is worth more
acoustic abyss
maybe do Ninng Q before yunjin burst?
tardy thunder
maybe do Ninng Q before yunjin burst?
That’s what I meant
sour root
Ning mains thinks not
What about if u the other two are taser
tardy thunder
Start the rotation with it
sour root
Fischl and beidou
tardy thunder
Not start your YunJin buff time with it
tardy thunder
I prob calc Ning bennet Yunjin Xinyan
wheat valley
Noir did you calc triple Geo Fischl
sour root
The fact geo cant amp gonna make this tough
gray bison
To make her NAs deal around the same dmg as her CAs
tardy thunder
Noir did you calc triple Geo Fischl
I don’t remember
tardy thunder
To make her NAs deal around the same dmg as her CAs
Do you not realize how much damage that is
wheat valley
Like Ningguang Yunjin Fischl Zhongli/Albedo/Gorou
gray bison
Doing the regular rotation and having a bennett or zhong or whatever is tough to beat
tardy thunder
That’s a lot of damage
sour root
Like gorou, ning, yunjin, fischl?
tardy thunder
Doing the regular rotation and having a bennett or zhong or whatever is tough to...
But we can still use bennet
What’s the issue
wheat valley
Gorou is questionable
tardy thunder
Nothing is stopping you from running both Ning and bennet and Yunjin
tardy thunder
C6 Gorou would be nice
sour root
Nothing is stopping you from running both Ning and bennet and Yunjin
Just opportunity cost. Bennett is needed so many places already
But ur right
acoustic abyss
His buff doesn't apply to off-field so Yunjin can't use him.
wait what
night cliff
Maybe at c6
what is c6
acoustic abyss
can you explain this?
wheat valley
40% Geo Crit Dmg + 15% Geo Dmg Bonus.
tardy thunder
Just opportunity cost. Bennett is needed so many places already
Dude was arguing we can’t run bennet because we sacrifice slot for Yun Jin tho
Not make sense
gray bison
Dude was arguing we can’t run bennet because we sacrifice slot for Yun Jin tho
I'm arguing you're losing a char
Not Bennett specifically
Wtf
wheat valley
can you explain this?
Her wording seems to apply it doesn't snapshot.
Since it says Current DEF
acoustic abyss
noooo
night cliff
Noir was saying like if she snapshot her c4 would be literally useless
acoustic abyss
why mihoyo :(
wheat valley
Noir was saying like if she snapshot her c4 would be literally useless
Not really
sour root
How long does gorou def boost last
wheat valley
Her E can crystallize
sour root
Maybe its a non issue
acoustic abyss
lol
sour root
How is it extended?
wheat valley
By staying in the field
wheat valley
On field
acoustic abyss
get all the stacks out
sour root
Damn rip gorou
night cliff
Not really
but what if you cant crystallize before you Q?
wheat valley
but what if you cant crystallize before you Q? <:A_ScamTao:918706554570690570>
Why wouldn't you be able to
night cliff
Why wouldn't you be able to
could happen
sour root
Unless u whiff the hit it shouldnt be an issue
wheat valley
You could also miss Bennett buff on Xiangling
modern blaze
is gorou's A1 buff tied to the field buff?
sour root
But to get all the limitations if triple geo while a likely much much lower ceiling than an itto team
wheat valley
is gorou's A1 buff tied to the field buff?
No
sour root
Is it worth?
wheat valley
But to get all the limitations if triple geo while a likely much much lower ceil...
?
night cliff
right, for xl does she snapshot when you summon her tornado or during those 3 hits?
wheat valley
Can you elaborate
modern blaze
it's something
acoustic abyss
i actually thought gorou-yunjin would create really great geo cores for some teams
that is a damn shame
especially noelle
acoustic abyss
it still works, but the double dipping on buffs would've been amazing with noelle
modern blaze
i actually thought gorou-yunjin would create really great geo cores for some tea...
if you want a solid geo core you probably go with the geo dudes
albedo + ZL
acoustic abyss
so does this mean that Noir's yunjin-gorou sheet is just incorrect if this is true?
acoustic abyss
if you want a solid geo core you probably go with the geo dudes
albedo + ZL
do you see the difference between gorou and yunjin and albedo and zhongli...?
modern blaze
but tbh maybe yunjin + ZL will be a better geo duo for NA users
wheat valley
Yunjin on field still works
sour root
Can you elaborate
I mean that the downside of triple geo is usually shield break and flexibility. The gain is raw output right? But if gorou doesnt work with yunjin, Yunjin doesnt help fischl, energy is a concern. It feels like a high price. By comparison the itto triple geo teams are quite synergistic to make up for the costs
wheat valley
I mean that the downside of triple geo is usually shield break and flexibility. ...
Yes so don't use them together
modern blaze
do you see the difference between gorou and yunjin and albedo and zhongli...?
yes
but it is what it is, most of geo doesn't really synergize well with other elements other than those two
and well, now yunjin
modern blaze
albedo has EM and turret damage
ZL has comfy shield + shred
yunjin has NA buffs
tardy thunder
Hmm @compact girder we could use 2 husk on Xinyan if we think her shield need more strength
wheat valley
Sac Greatsword Nuke Itto
tardy thunder
acoustic abyss
i kind of like the idea of xingqiu with ninnguang, but it doesn't seem very synegestic
wheat valley
Oh yeah, thoughts on Shenhe as a Yunjin driver? @tardy thunder
acoustic abyss
seems just like fischl's job but minus the energy
though damage reduction and stagger resistance is nice
if you'd pair him with another damage reduction unit there may not need to be a healer or dedicated shielder
modern blaze
i kind of like the idea of xingqiu with ninnguang, but it doesn't seem very syne...
yea i don't like it either
cooldown too long, doesn't enable anything and doesn't have the buffs to be a strong subdps either
modern blaze
prototype amber mona
wheat valley
No Bennett doesn't count
tardy thunder
With 2 husk and 2 def subs a level 90 t12 Xinyan have 7084 hp shield before geo resonance, which bring it to 8146
That should be enough if it happens to fall you have crystallize to fall back on
If you have redhorn Xinyan the shield even stronger
acoustic abyss
When are we getting a 60 cost healer
when are we getting a healer sub dps
wheat valley
when are we getting a healer sub dps
Jean
tardy thunder
I think Ning bennet Yunjin Xinyan might be something
I hope it is
I rlly wanna use YunJin and Xinyan together
modern blaze
With 2 husk and 2 def subs a level 90 t12 Xinyan have 7084 hp shield before geo ...
have you compared it to 4p ToM? it boosts shield strength
acoustic abyss
Jean
good point but i mean more an onffield unit
like i would've loved if thoma hit a bit harder
tardy thunder
have you compared it to 4p ToM? it boosts shield strength
Haven’t
wheat valley
Sayu
tardy thunder
ToTM would be less for xinyans personal damage but prob more team damage
acoustic abyss
there are more healer sub dps units than i realized apparently lol
modern blaze
any catalyst user can be a healer if you give them prototype amber
acoustic abyss
does prototype amber heal enough to make that not a complete meme?
wheat valley
I'm still waiting for Noir to calc C2 Venti Yunjin
tardy thunder
have you compared it to 4p ToM? it boosts shield strength
With ToTM it would be 7844
wheat valley
tardy thunder
Just counted
modern blaze
does prototype amber heal enough to make that not a complete meme?
yes, specially if you refine it
and as a bonus you get free energy 
modern blaze
but prototype amber won't let you facetank big hits without a shield or a source of dmg resist like XQ/beidou
acoustic abyss
18% per burst doesn't seem amazing
at R5 no less
though it is per party member which is nice
but it seems like you'd still kind of need some more damage reduction
maybe with xingqiu it'd be enough
tardy thunder
We could possibly even run Ning bennet Yunjin Xianling tbh
acoustic abyss
We could possibly even run Ning bennet Yunjin Xianling tbh
probably should just replace yunjin with anemo at that point no?
modern blaze
ning ZL albedo yunjin
wheat valley
List of things we should probably test: N4D Ayaka, C2 Venti(kekw), Shenhe Chongyun driver.
modern blaze
embrace mono geo
tardy thunder
probably should just replace yunjin with anemo at that point no?
You lose geo resonance
acoustic abyss
and then replace ningguang with xingqiu 
tardy thunder
Ning double geo double pyro with Xianling Bennet has been a thing since 1.0
acoustic abyss
yeah i actually have done that with geo traveler
it's pretty strong
i wonder how much of an upgrade yunjin is
GMC has pretty good multipliers and the crit rate buff is very nice
tardy thunder
i wonder how much of an upgrade yunjin is
Pretty big I’d assume
ill setup another YunJin Ning sheet
fallen crystal
Which floor?
twilit coral
12
fallen crystal
1st half or 2nd half?
twilit coral
Umm which floor should i use raiden national
And the other one ill use this team
@fallen crystal
fallen crystal
Rational on 2nd half
fallen crystal
So 1st half, you can go Yoi, Yun, Zhongli, Healer
fallen crystal
Qiqi works if thats your only healer.
twilit coral
Also i have kazuha and diluc and mona lol
And most 4 stars
Execept for fischl and sara and gorou
Babara????
fallen crystal
Yep, any healer literally
fallen crystal
How buffed is your Yoi?
tardy thunder
this should work 
@compact girder
fallen crystal
Like stats/weapon
fallen crystal
You might be able to 36* with the setup I mentioned.
twilit coral
Ok thx
compact girder
Hmm <@456226577798135808> we could use 2 husk on Xinyan if we think her shield n...
Hi im back
compact girder
I was watching people fight on twitter
tardy thunder
she have a lot of room for subs
since she doesnt need any CR subs at all
if burst bot
compact girder
also i think we actually use 4 EOSF Xinyan here and give her defense subs
C2 xinyan?
compact girder
Ohhh
tardy thunder
1 ER sub 8 cdmg subs then you have room to split the remaining 11 between attack and defense
if we go 10 defense subs for shield she will have 74% defense from subs
lemme calc how much shield hp that is
that would be 8433 shield hp with geo resonance
11,806 if bolide on ning
of course, would be even more if redhorn xinyan
redhorn just an absolute win here if you have it
more cmdg for her guaranteed crit burst plus more defense for stronger shield
god i want that weapon
tardy thunder
@compact girder according to my quick calculator math xinyan with redhorn here would contribute about 81k damage while providing a pretty respectable shield and consistent aura for crystalize if the shield falls i like this
thats a lot of damage for a shielder
most shielders dont do any damage
tacit zodiac
ER/DEF/DEF should be pretty enough for yunjin, right?
maybe some favonius too
tardy thunder
ER/DEF/DEF should be pretty enough for yunjin, right?
maybe some favonius too
you want triple defense
an ER weapon is always gonna be better than ER sands
tacit zodiac
even with 4pc husk?
tacit zodiac
alright I'll give husk domain another day or two
tardy thunder
defense/defense/defense with an ER weapon, ideally favonious, is ideal
tacit zodiac
do you think lvling yunjin to 90 and burst talent to lv 9 is more important than getting def sands
tardy thunder
i think its important to do both
tacit zodiac
i think its important to do both
I'm trying to talk my way out of spending resin on husk domain here, because I want to go back to emblem 
tardy thunder
I'm trying to talk my way out of spending resin on husk domain here, because I w...
you can use 2 husk 2 eosf on yunjin
tacit zodiac
yeah I think that's better, no
since the def circlet I'm using is already eosf
tardy thunder
yeah thats fine
tacit zodiac
thank you
tardy thunder
more resin efficient too
modern blaze
worst case scenario you can probably give her 2p defender on feather + flower and be ok
instead of husk
you lose some substats but you save a lot of resin
tardy thunder
That would be worst case yeah
But absolute worst case
Go for 2 eosf way before having to resort to that
modern blaze
i mean 2p eosf 2p defender
it's an option if they don't want to do husk domain
tardy thunder
i mean 2p eosf 2p defender
it's an option if they don't want to do husk domain
Oh
Still I’d make that absolute last resort
tardy thunder
Maybe I should calc if N2 spam vape pyro Xinyan with Xinyan Xinqiu bennet Yun Jin is copium even tho it probably is
eternal roost
night cliff
@tardy thunder how are your yoi jin calcs going?
compact girder
<@456226577798135808> according to my quick calculator math xinyan with redhorn ...
Does Ning’s dpr change?
tardy thunder
Does Ning’s dpr change?
Haven’t calced it yet
tardy thunder
<@285502728673951745> how are your yoi jin calcs going? <:A_ThinkTao:80898777607...
Pog
fathom trail
anyone have a damage cal for yunjin and noelle?
mortal sorrel
anyone have a damage cal for yunjin and noelle?
I just saw this video go up, gonna watch it myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPvo9nEhfp0
fathom trail
i love you thanks
warm trout
I can't work out if fischl (c2+ r5 rust) or ning (c3, dodoco r5) will ultimately work best with yun jin 
does anybody have any sheets etc. for either that that I could peak at?
winter steeple
I can't work out if fischl (c2+ r5 rust) or ning (c3, dodoco r5) will ultimately...
@tardy thunder
lusty pollen
Yunjin prebuild?
tardy thunder
I can't work out if fischl (c2+ r5 rust) or ning (c3, dodoco r5) will ultimately...
im currently working on re-doing the Ning ones
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KckPaLZgRdlOZ3AYMsgEEuMm4ilEaiJdu4jsUoOlmgM/edit?usp=sharing heres what i have re-done with Ning Yunjin Zhong Bennet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cxgE2uUctasUwv7B33RvzuxT-dfiNK3q6j0Wt9tqQD0/edit?usp=sharing same thing but Xinyan instead of Zhongf
havent done full team dps yet
YunJin should actually do decent sub dps damage with her E and cast Q tho since she gets to use deathmatch here
compact girder
Is the 600k dpr ning solo?
crystal flame
Yes it's Ning damage in that comp
tardy thunder
I remember it was 700k dpr before
Was a different team
tardy thunder
What was it
780k was Ning, c6 Gorou bennet Yunjin
compact girder
Ah right
tardy thunder
My bennet buff is too high there tho
compact girder
780k being just ning dmg right
compact girder
My bennet buff is too high there tho
Oh
tardy thunder
780k being just ning dmg right
Yes
worn saffron
Any damage calc for yunjin in Koko dps teams
river yew
Any damage calc for yunjin in Koko dps teams
don't have calcs but i can't see how it would work with kokomi not critting
crystal flame
Yeah people are probably not going to calc it, she basically benefit 2-3 times less than some other characters so just wait for her release to see people test it live
but it just won't do much for kokomi
tardy thunder
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1snnq0h-BzS7DowRVNtq_k6ezOT6X73JwoNy2kUa66pw/edit?usp=sharing new pikeli sheet im working on
will do full team dps after i have food
wintry spindle
Hi, just watched your Bennett/Zhongli/Ningguang/Yunjin calc sheet quickly. I may be missing something, Why are you dividing your rotation damage by 20? You play 12 and 15sec ult teams. Is it an oversight or is the Ningguang scenario short on time and the rotation should be a 20 sec one accounting with everyone else doing their job?
tacit zodiac
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1snnq0h-BzS7DowRVNtq_k6ezOT6X73JwoNy2kUa6...
don't dragonspine work better since it has higher physical damage that is included in yunjin's buff?
high urchin
Question about Yunjin - if I'm reading her leaked kit right, would def buff Yunjin's best set be 2 Husk + 2 Defender's Will, for 60% def?
modern blaze
kinda
the difference between 4p husk and 2p defender 2p husk is ~1 def substat, so in a vacuum the mixed set is better